Patrick Clancy’s 60 Minutes Interview & What Was Left Unsaid

29:06We're going to cover that soon in the next one. But there's a lot of activity. So they're like, you don't ask someone on Reddit. You don't look it up on Reddit. Not even as a safety precaution. But also, don't you want to know what's going on with your wife? That's just been something people have been pointing out. And again, we don't know if it means he didn't know when Lindsay was struggling or if he met after the children were killed. Regardless, one comment reads, how is Patrick's mother a labor and delivery nurse and he did not know about postpartum psychosis. He claimed on the stand that he had never heard of it until this happened.

29:35But others argue the stuff blaming him for not being more involved is pure victim blaming, a lot of which is just based on complete, baseless, made-up things. But back to the 60 Minutes interview, Patrick does make a valid point that, quote, mental illness has the ability to be tragically deceptive. He says, so I'm sure there are things that I didn't see. Patrick says the low point for Lindsay was in December and he says a huge part of that was, quote, huge lack of sleep, deep, deep depression, intrusive thoughts. There is not much discussion in the interview about January 24th, which does make a lot of sense.

30:13However, Callan had a heartbeat January 24th. He was taken airlifted to Boston Children's Hospital and he was alive for the next four days. Patrick discusses that whole incident by saying, so I didn't have all the details of Callan's condition I just knew that they got a heartbeat back so I remember um that night I really thought that there was a chance that Callan would live and I just remember thinking just give me one just give me one kid and I would raise him as best I could and I would give him the best life I possibly could and I would tell him about his brother and sister and I was holding out hope for that and then when I got to the hospital I saw the doctor.

30:57I saw the look on her face and I knew that it wasn't going to be a good prognosis. Many netizens have taken issue with this statement, wondering how do you not know everything about Callen's condition? And while I do agree with that sentiment, judging by the entire statement, I do think it could mean that Patrick is saying that he didn't know all the details on the way to the hospital. That's what it seems like with the full context. He's like, well, I didn't know. And then when I got to the hospital, I saw the doctor. So it seems like he didn't know on the way so he's like I thought he was gonna be you know I thought he was gonna make it I get there I see the doctor's face not a good prognosis I could just tell so I think with the full context I don't think that's what he means however there is another incident that people have been pointing to during the trial where he's talking about Dawson's birth the second child right he's talking about Dawson's birth and he's talking about how Lindsay had it it was just physically really tough the baby which is was breaching in a breached position and again i don't have any children um i did some googling and it seems when their head is not down okay so they're in the wrong position very dangerous for the mother very dangerous for the baby actually i mean i was briefly on reddit looking into it and people said it was like the most traumatizing thing ever it's really terrifying in that testimony patrick is like i don't really know what happened i just i think the baby was like breaching or something interesting yeah so again we don't know if this is him maybe the trauma has him blocking out a lot of his life or it people just thought it was weird and they bring it up in conjunction with this statement in the 60 minutes interview of like does this guy know anything is usually the netizen sentiment not the netizen sentiment but a portion but others have nitpicked other parts of that statement especially the phrasing of just one just give me one kid just give me one just give me one kid even critiquing that he's saying he would give him the best life he could and tell him about his brother and sister i guess a lot of netizens thought it sounded cold but also the bare minimum like it was very vague they thought it was like well before this happened wouldn't you be trying going to give the kids their best life you could possibly could regardless i guess some netizens are pointing out they wish that he would have said something more along the lines of like i would have made up in love to cover both parents and like i would have done a b c and d that would be more fitting to the situation instead of a very generic parenting like i want to give them the best life i possibly can but that's just online sentiments callan's heart continued to beat for four days before January 28th, the morning of January 28th, Callan was pronounced dead.

33:43Patrick says, I'm so grateful for those four days I had with him and I'm so grateful he hung on. Ross asks, did you talk to him in those four days? Yeah. Can you tell me anything you said? Patrick's eyes do get really red and he starts breathing heavy. I said, I'm so sorry. I got to hold him. I got to lay down next to him and he died in my arms. Ross then tells the viewers in a voiceover, during those hours with Callan, Clancy sat and wrote tributes to each of his three children, typing with one hand while he held his baby's hand with the other. He said he was afraid if he didn't write about them, they would be forgotten.

34:24I did agree with many netizens that I thought this was an interesting point in the interview that was being made. I felt like it was going out of its way in the interview to make this point. I felt the answer where Patrick said Callan had died in his arms was emotionally evocative. Like it was powerful. He seemed very emotional. And maybe they were using this as some sort of segue point, a transition into the next topic and next question, but it didn't really give that feeling off either. So why give this very convoluted voiceover cut in the interview as a backstory of writing tributes to his children in the hospital, especially when this statement itself has been picked apart online.

35:04Because people are like, I'm sorry, if my child was alive, I'm not doing anything on my phone. I'm not one hand on my phone, one hand on my child. Now, again, other netizens disagree with that sentiment. But another big point that some netizens have been making is it feels strange because these are your kids. Why would you need to write down everything about them? Because it feels like you're going to forget. Wait, okay. What was the statement? He was one hand holding the child, the other hand writing something on his phone yes typing with one hand while he held his baby's hand with the other he said he was afraid if he didn't write about them they would be forgotten yeah he was alive right at that point yes but not doing well um basically brain dead yeah but i think p some parents are like i would never forget a single detail about my children even decades later some say well it's a little different some netizens argue because you have three children that were taken away maybe there's some sort of trauma and anxiety of like you just want to hold on to something but again other netizens fight back well then hold on to your baby why are you typing and it's just a huge back and forth and again just because somebody behaves in a way that you would not see yourself behaving does not mean that they're suspicious or guilty of any sort of criminal acts.

36:23It's just a conversation of people debating, is this normal behavior? But really, what's normal? The only thing that I think I agree with is it was a weird transition point. It felt like, why is this interview pointing this out to us? It must be important. And it might be because it was a topic of conversation online. Because just four days after the incident, the day Callan is declared deceased, that same day, it is believed that the Clancy GoFundMe was set up. Side note, if I'm not mistaken, I believe they got close to$2 million in donations in a fairly short amount of time. And Patrick gave his very first real official lengthy statement about what has transpired four days after the incident, the same day that Callan passed.

37:08So this is the GoFundMe statement. And this has been dissected to hell and back. This is obviously a condensed version, but I'm keeping in all the important parts that have been discussed in the beginning. Patrick takes time to thank everyone for their love, support, messages, generosity. He says, a lot of people have said they can't imagine and they're right. There's absolutely nothing that can prepare you. He says that he barely gets much sleep and when he does, he dreams about his kids on repeat. Some people thought that was also strange of a statement to make. I don't think the debate is about the facts itself.

37:42I guess some people are saying it's only been four days since the incident. no one is anyone really sleeping I guess but I don't know if I if that's something to nitpick but continuing on the GoFundMe statement reads my family was the best thing that has ever happened to me I took so much pride in being Lindsay's husband and a dad to Cora Dawson and Callan he describes each of the children and he says Cora had an infectious laugh and was stunningly beautiful she was the cautious one but it was really because she was so caring she used to say she wanted to be a doctor and a mama when she grew up and she would practice by giving Callan checkups.

38:20She loved sloths, unicorns, tea parties, going to lunch with Nana and Grandpa and giving presents to people. She knew everything about princesses. She truly loved her brothers and us and said it often in her sweet voice. We did a lot of father-daughter activities together like skiing and visiting San Francisco or just talking. I loved her, my firstborn, so much. Dawson had beautiful, bold, and again, I think people are saying, read this in the context of this is written within four days of the incident. That's what some netizens are saying. Dawson had beautiful, bold, brown eyes that beamed with friendship.

38:55He was naturally humorous and generous beyond the norm of a typical toddler, always willing to share his toys with others. He was adventurous and mischievous and enjoyed causing trouble, which he typically found hilarious. He was also remarkably smart. We always said if we didn't save enough for retirement, it'll be okay. We'll just live in Dawson's guest house. We had a special bond from day one. He was my buddy, my first boy, and truly a gift. It continues about Callan, their youngest, and he does state this in the interview. He had to grieve Callan differently because Callan was only eight months old when he passed.

39:28So I think he was saying like he didn't really get to know, he didn't have the opportunity to get to know Callan. He says, Callan was our easygoing child. He was just incredibly happy and vibrant, constantly smiling. Our nickname for him was Happy Callan. If I was ever having a bad day, Callan always knew how to heal me. Perhaps that's why he held on a little longer, to spare me whatever pain he could. As excruciating as it was, I was fortunate and grateful to feel his warmth until his very last moment. Faith is my only hope of believing he felt mine. Callan died with enormous courage despite being so little.

40:03Maybe it was his way of demonstrating what I need to do to press forward. I'll always try to draw inspiration from him. He'll always be my little hero. He then goes to talk about Lindsay, stating that she is not who is being portrayed in the media right now. A child killer, killer mom. He says, our marriage was wonderful and diametrically grew stronger as her condition rapidly worsened. Which some netizens saw was weird. one netizen comment is their marriage was stronger but according to her journals they had not been intimate in months they canceled their anniversary plans in december i don't know more on the anniversary plans later because there's a rumor maybe conspiracy that maybe he had gone on an anniversary trip with rachel again there's no confirmation of it but some people have been picking apart the exact wording of the trial but more on that later now side note there were some references in Lindsay's journals that she and Patrick were no longer having intimate relations.

41:00However, there was no indication in any of the journals that they were having a rocky marriage. In fact, she did write at some point that she was grateful for Pat for picking up slack when she was feeling tired. She was on Goodreads though. We did find her Goodreads account and she shelved the book Love Worth Making How to Have Ridiculously Great Sex in a Long-Lasting Relationship before Callan was born. She shelved it as books I'm currently reading. I will say, again, there's no clear indication that their marriage wasn't great or super shaky or on the rocks. But it also didn't appear like their marriage was better than ever.

41:36Although there's no confirmation of that either. It just didn't seem, and I imagine it's very hard to be better than ever when someone is potentially going through an incredibly tough mental health crisis. He says, I still remember the very moment I first laid eyes on her and I can recall how overcome I was with the kind of love at first sight you only see in movies. It really didn't take long before I was certain I wanted to marry her. We said I love you to each other multiple times daily as if it were a reflex. We habitually started every morning with a passionate hug, yielding a sigh of relief like we had each received the perfect medicine.

42:16If too much time passed without a hug, she'd look at me and ask, did you forget? We mutually understood the reality that people can have bad days, but we stuck to the rule that when one of us got lost, the other one was always there to bring them home. Always. Now, there's a lot of mixed netizen sentiment with this statement. One of the bigger reactions that I've seen online was this sounds like Lindsay is dead. This whole like tidbit about Lindsay doesn't sound like she's still alive. It sounds like she's dead she's gone now i don't know maybe he was preparing for the worst just in case because maybe something similar had happened with callen where he thought that callen was gonna live but then he passed away so i i don't really know oh lindsey's like just in the hospital yes at the moment yes now this another netizen sentiment though is that this sounds like whether you agree or not this sounds like a husband who regrets everything that's happened and is gonna stand by his wife because that has happened before there was another big case postpartum psychosis where the husband stood by his wife throughout the track everything like they they were still together at the end of it okay this kind of sounds like that's what's gonna happen right he had not talked to Lindsay at this point he did not for all I know did not check in on her did not go to see her so this I guess some netizens are saying like it just is weird wait so Lindsay's in the hospital and he could just go check on her?

43:45I mean, he is her spouse. Yeah, he actually has the medical authority over all the medical decisions. And how do we know he never checked up on her? Because everything that he says indicates that he didn't talk to her until like a week after. And there's nothing to indicate that he ever visited her in the hospital. It seems most likely that the first time they saw each other was at the trial. At the trial? Yeah. Like he didn't see her after that incident and then until the trial that happened. Yes, because every time he describes talking to Lindsay, it is just a series of a few phone calls. So I think people were just kind of confused of this is not regardless of if you agree with his choice of forgiving Lindsay or not.

44:30So his GoFundMe, he focuses on that he forgives her, but he hasn't basically behind the scenes spoken to her or supported her. Yes. So again, I think if the GoFundMe statement had perhaps just said like, I forgive Lindsay. This is about postpartum. This is kind of what happened. And I hope you guys can forgive her too. I think there would be less netizen discourse about it. but the way he writes about lindsey the first time falling in love with her seeing her the way they hug every morning and say i love you it just it felt like the words of a husband who is going to stand by his wife emotionally and be there for her and yet behind the scenes it did not appear that was the case now a lot of netizens also push back on that saying this man just lost his three children god forbid he needs time before reaching out to the woman that fucking killed them so there's it's just hard it's hard to even argue because every perspective it's like I guess I could see that I guess I could see that I guess I could see that but he says I want to ask all of you that you find it deep within yourselves to forgive Lindsay as I have the real Lindsay was generously loving and caring towards everyone me our kids friends family her patients the very fibers of her soul were loving all I wish for her now is that she can somehow find peace so that's what I'm saying.

45:52I think if it was just this portion, netizens would have less to discuss. It's like, hey, I forgave her. Please forgive her. Like, this is not who she is. This is postpartum. But other netizens also find it very bizarre that he was able to publicly forgive Lindsay without ever talking to Lindsay before releasing this statement. I guess their argument being is, sure, it's one thing to assume you know what happened, but wouldn't you want to have a conversation with that person, your wife, the mother of your children that allegedly killed the three children before you publicly forgive them? They do eventually talk, more on the series of phone calls later, but this was released before he spoke to Lindsay.

46:28Near the end of the GoFundMe statement, he writes, I promise I'll put all my energy into healing and rediscovering my purpose. I owe that to all of you. Duxbury Fire and Police, our compassionate healthcare workers, our local faith leaders, the Microsoft community, and especially Cora, Dawson, and Callan. I don't know how or when I'll be able to do it, but your love and generosity will help me get started. I know that love always wins. Some people thought that was also strange. The inclusion of the Microsoft community, people thought, was very odd. But don't worry, there's a whole Microsoft part later because there's a lot of Microsoft talk.

47:09But people just thought it was strange. One person comments, he published this hours after Callan's death, ready to go find his new purpose in life. If he spends an incredible amount of time on image management, describes people in terms of what he received from them, and turns Callan's suffering into something about alleviating his own pain. One person writes, and this is from three years ago, if anyone knew anything about psychology and losing your children, you would know that Patrick Clancy should be in jail. Which is a strongly worded comment. Another comment reads, this man was not devoted or shocked, and the first thing he told the public is he promised to go find his purpose in life.

47:43He is all about him. His image, perfect letter, ready to find purpose. Forgive my wife. Dude might as well have said, I'm finally free and going to get to move on. When you lose three kids, you are in shock. You can't write a letter that night. And the last thing you can think about is you. Your mind has to take weeks, not a night. Not a night. It takes months to comprehend your three children are dead. They continue. He would naturally be in shock, rage, grief, disbelief, and unable to understand. never mind promise he was now going to find his purpose in life. But again, these are just opinions that netizens are having with Patrick's statements.

48:22There's nothing inherently bad or wrong or weird about his statements. I think it's just people analyzing the behavior. The 60 Minutes interview touches on Patrick's forgiveness of Lindsay in the GoFundMe statement. So this is where I'm saying like maybe they're trying to use it as a transition, but they never address GoFundMe. So I thought it was strange. I thought they could have just said, hey, within four days of the incident, you forgive your wife, Lindsay Clancy. But instead they included the part where he's like, right, typing in one hand on the hospital. So I thought it was weird. Like why?

48:51I just kind of wrap my mind around why would they go out of their way to do this full voiceover and include this so early on in the interview? I just, it's interesting because especially when you make these editorial cuts, every beat is pretty intentional for a piece like this. Nevertheless, when asked about his forgiveness of Lindsay, Patrick says he believes it was Lindsay's mental illness that caused it. He says, and I think when it comes to forgiveness, I also felt that if I didn't get there, I would be eaten up inside forever, which a lot of netizens actually agree with. But others argue, but yeah, but you could have waited a few more days before you talked to her, before you publicly forgave her.

49:29Others were saying like within four days, you're not thinking about forgiveness, eating you up alive. You're not thinking at all, really. There are the series of phone calls between Patrick and Lindsay, which again, we'll get into later. But that first one took place a week after the incident. So this GoFundMe statement is four days after the incident. Ross asks Patrick, did you ask Lindsay why she did it? I asked her if she remembered it, which some netizens thought was very strange as well, because why would he assume she has no memories of the incident? One netizen comments, why would he ask if she remembered it and not why she did it.

50:07In all honesty, something doesn't add up. They say, do you remember it? No? Good. So this is what happened. Ross continues to ask, and what did she say? She said it was like a dream and she remembered it much in the way that you would remember a dream after waking up. Patrick is asked, do you feel like you failed in some way in this period or do you feel like you did the best you could? Patrick responds, I think I did the best I could with what I had at the time. And I live with the outcome. I live with it every day. But I think I did the best I could. This is probably by far one of the more controversial responses from the interview with people just not being able to comprehend how it's feasible that he doesn't feel some sort of survivor's guilt, parental guilt.

50:54And while some netizens may agree that he did the best he could with what he had, other netizens argue that's just not how drama works. Just because you may logically know something to be true does not negate any guilt or rumination that you have, repeating the events over and over, wondering if something could be different, if like maybe you just didn't do something. Others point out Patrick said he told Callan he's sorry when he was in the hospital. So like, what is he sorry about if he did the best he could? But then technically others argue, well, he could be both. But I think overall, people were just really thrown off by that statement.

51:30However, a few things to note. Some people have stated this sounds exactly like therapy speak. This sounds like someone who has spoken to therapists over an extended period of time. And this is exactly what a therapist would tell you, that you did the best you could with what you had. However, others argue back that yet therapy or not, you could be in therapy for 24 fucking hours of the day every single day for the past three years since the incident. But every single parent would not, no one would be able to sit there and say, yeah, I did pretty much everything I could. Now, the second thing to note is that there is a big civil lawsuit pending.

52:06Patrick Clancy is suing Lindsay's providers. We have no clue what could happen, but he is seeking damages in excess of a million dollars. Some speculate that he can't admit to any wrongdoing because that could be used against him in the civil suit for the providers to argue. See, it's not just us. You also left her home alone. However, I don't think that would even work considering none of the providers told him not to leave the children alone in her care. So he could have just said something as simple as, I wish I didn't go to CVS. I wish I took the kids. I think he could have even said something along the lines of, I wish I knew more about postpartum.

52:41Because they are arguing that this was postpartum psychosis and mental health that went undiagnosed and untreated by the provider. So he could have just said, I wish I had gotten more involved with her medical care. I just trusted the doctors. I trusted that they knew what they were doing to help my wife. If his response was catered to not saying anything that could be bad for the civil lawsuit, there would have been a plethora of other responses that he could have said, but he didn't. So I think netizens have very mixed, strong feelings about that statement. They also have very strong, mixed feelings about Patrick and Lindsay's separate civil lawsuits against the providers.

53:18Some even argue one comment reads, hey, he could have literally just said something so vague and simple, just I wish I had done more and everyone would have understood. One person writes, if a piano fell out of the sky, landed on my kid, I would still be rethinking. Maybe I should have taken a different route. Maybe it was my fault. Maybe I did this. That is a normal response. Another netizen comments, narcissists never take accountability. Which again, this is a very strongly worded opinion. there is no evidence that he is a diagnosed narcissist, right? Then another controversial moment is Ross asks Patrick, has she ever asked for your forgiveness?

53:58Patrick says, um, and he does like a very strong facial expression where he frowns downwards, like a closed lip. Um, no, but I gave it to her. and many netizens think that Patrick is trying very hard to hide a smirk here that his facial movements are incredibly odd when he said no but I gave it to her people say that there is a little smirk people are zooming in slowing it down they're looking at the angle of his lips tilting upwards and again I do believe that there is credible knowledge and research that comes out of facial expressions and how they can tell if someone is being deceptive or untruthful or strange about their responses.

54:43I am just not qualified in that. So I can't really tell you, but I guess people are saying it was weird. One comment reads, yeah, this is his way of saying, I let her live. Another one reads, she hasn't asked because she didn't do it. Others fight back saying, see, everyone blames him and he's still protecting his wife. Another says, I mean, damn bro, he even forgave her and motherfuckers still say he's guilty. Others comment, forgiveness is powerful. Good on Patrick. He says there was a time where I didn't think I would live to see my 35th birthday and I was completely fine with it. Patrick talks about his April 2023 move to New York City.

55:23He says about five weeks after the move he had to figure out how to celebrate Callan's first birthday without Callan. He says how do you celebrate your son's first birthday months after he's passed away? And so I go to St. Patrick's Cathedral. I light a candle and I say, I love you, buddy. And I walk out on Fifth Avenue and I start crying my eyes out. And nobody cared. Ross says, and was that good? Were you grateful for that? I thought, this is where I need to be. I can grieve. Some netizens have pointed out that everything is very self-centered around him and his emotions rather than the children.

55:59But others argue, yeah, because that's his experience. He's sharing of how he had to get through that day. Of course, it's going to be from his perspective. Patrick says he kept some of the kids' toys, a lot of personal items, things that reminded him of them. In the interview, they show a quick frame of Patrick's New York City apartment, and he has pictures hung up of all three children. They show Dawson's helicopter that he loved. Which, side note, the New Yorker piece from 2024, the interview was a bit more extensive, and it reads, quote, By this point, Patrick is relatively settled down in New York City in what is described as a bachelor pad.

56:34So this is before him and Rachel lived together. And the piece states that the extent of the decor in his living room is mainly just a sailing trophy and an acoustic guitar that's mounted onto the wall. But he does have keepsakes of his children. A pink blanket printed with rainbows. Throw pillows that have been stitched with the scraps of his children's clothing. So that was like a big thing back in the day, you know. A toy helicopter, Dawson's last Christmas gift. and they make it an emphasis point in the New Yorker stating that the next time the author went over to Patrick's house, the blanket and throat pillars were gone.

57:09And he's like trying to explain or he's trying to ask and Patrick very sheepishly explained that he had someone over for dinner or had some people over for dinner and he just would have been gutted if they got spaghetti sauce on them. So he put them away. Right. So I just thought that would have been a really good thing to show. That was not shown in the 60 minutes. I would imagine that that would be a strong, visually evocative piece, but not really important in the grand scheme of things.

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1:01:09Patrick says about his children, I always say they live within me. I talk to them. What do you say? Help me all the time. Do they help you? I like to believe they do. It's a way I stay connected to them. I will say the full clip of this conversation does show more emotion in Patrick. The teaser edit clip was kind of wild in comparison. It seems like he's trying to suppress emotions that he's feeling as he's responding. Netizens have, as you guessed it, mixed responses to this statement. Some say, why is everything about you, Patrick? Like, why would you say that to your child? A lot of parents are saying, I would never say that.

1:01:47I would say, I love you. I miss you. I wish you were here. It should have been me instead. like all these other things not help me. It doesn't naturally come from a parent to a child to say help me. However, others point out that he comes from a Catholic background, probably believes in the afterlife, and maybe he feels like he is in so much pain he's trying to draw strength from his kids to keep going. It just didn't come off great, I will say. Just from like a, not that I'm in PR, but a lot of people have been saying just from a PR perspective it's not the best response. Ross asks, do you dream about them?

1:02:23Yeah, all the time. I remember early on having a dream, maybe six months or a year after I'm in the kitchen at the house and Cora walks in and I just look at her and basically just said, where have you been? He says Cora would give him a hug in his dreams and those dreams felt so real. He says, it's like I'm lucid in those dreams. Patrick shares stories of the children, which obviously is incredibly touching, showcasing each of their personalities. He gets emotional recalling how Dawson would count from 1 to 20 in the car. He's only a year and a half old at this point. Patrick says, so I was pretty impressed.

1:02:59And then all of a sudden he starts counting from 1 to 10 in Spanish and he just constantly blew my mind. Some netizens thought that this was really emotionally touching and it was probably the very first time he gave these more real tangible stories about his kids that people could envision in their minds however other netizens have been commenting that seems like patrick is not in his kids lives because when you have to teach your kid how to count from one to twenty it's a very lengthy process that doesn't happen with one session everyone's like i wonder who taught him how to count 1 through 20 in English and then 1 through 10 in Spanish.

1:03:39I see. Because he kind of phrases it in a way of like, I was just blown away in the car. Yeah. But again, what does that mean? And then Patrick does say something that is, I will say, admittedly is confusing. He says he was really into trucks, really into working class people. And he was my buddy. I was very confused in that moment. most reactions to this part are also confused one person comments when I was a newborn I was really into corporate tax accounting so I totally get it another writes am I fucking high watching this right now another says every time he opens his mouth I think it's impossible to get worse and then it gets worse another says my toddler had a knack of identifying the socioeconomic class of others as well what an odd thing to say I don't think I've ever heard anyone say that about their kid.

1:04:29These are comments. Someone else says, oh, look, son, there's a working class person. Let's go in. Look at them. Another person says this is a sign that Patrick thinks he's superior to other people. But another says what? Like he's a upper echelon, elitist snob? Not. People have just been kind of memeing it. Another reads, yeah, my daughter's super into Barbies and women's suffrage. Another says when I was in my mom's uterus, I was super into Russian oligarchs. Now, a smaller group of netizens have argued that everyone knows what Patrick meant. He likes to go to Home Depot. He likes trucks and fire trucks and all these things.

1:05:07Someone was like, he could have just said blue collar jobs. That would have still been kind of odd. And I will say, going to get your toolkit at Home Depot and kids, especially little boys liking fire trucks and construction trucks, these are pretty normal things. So I don't think that he really needed to explain it further by saying, oh, he was just like really into working class people. But nevertheless, this is more so a communication thing. It's just been memed. Yeah, it's weird. Patrick also states in the interview, Dawson helped me realize that not all your kids are the same. Some netizens think that statement is also odd because you thought your kids were all going to be the same.

1:05:44However, some parents argue that's a thing. That's not necessarily, oh, I thought they would be carbon copies of each other with no distinct personalities. it's just showing how different your kids can be is probably what he meant to say. Patrick says he thinks about his kids every day, all day, every day. He says he's had people say to him that he's really quiet today and they don't know the things that are playing over and over and over again in his head. He says, quote, they don't know that the scenes that are playing over and over again from that night. Some netizens thought that wording was odd.

1:06:17I guess when you hear people normally describe having PTSD flashbacks, if you will, It's a very visceral experience. The descriptive language that they usually use is, I'll be doing something and then all I can see is at night. All I can see is when I found them. All I can see is screaming. All I can smell is this. And I can't get it to stop. I can't do anything else that day. But I think some netizens thought it was weird that Patrick naturally framed it as, people ask him why he's so quiet. And this is why he's so quiet. And they don't know this. to which other netizens think that Patrick will never win because people are insane and nitpicky on the internet for no reason and expect trauma to look identical for everyone.

1:07:00Another quick little disclaimer here is that I think people are forgetting that there is a spectrum to this case as well in the sense of you can be a little weirded out by some of the things that are said in interviews and not believe that someone is guilty of murder. Does that make sense? Like I I think just because you're like, oh, that's like a very weird thing to say doesn't mean you think that Patrick did it. There is a spectrum here. But I think when people lose that, it gets very weird in the comment section. I do think the framing of that was it could have been done better. And I think Rachel and Patrick knew this 60 Minutes episode.

1:07:38I would imagine they knew was going to be explosive. I just don't know why there was not more care put into the words that they were going to use. And at one point, Rachel looks like she's trying so hard to use the correct words and not say the wrong thing. But why are there so many weird things that netizens can't stop looking at? Some netizens think it's odd that Patrick and the interviewer keep calling it scenes rather than memories. But Ross asked Patrick if good scenes plan is head two. Patrick says one of them is, when I did a lot of travel, I missed traveling with Cora. That was a great trip, you know, going to SF or San Francisco.

1:08:17just the two of us didn't have to bring a lot of stuff she just had a backpack it was her first time on a plane where she could actually appreciate it so I miss those times he says if he's working on a project he misses having Dawson by his side Dawson would grab his tool belt and they'd be hanging out he said he misses putting Callan on his knees and sitting in the playpen with him Patrick says he loves the memories he avoids the bad memories it's traumatic and it can be overwhelming but he hangs on to the good memories Patrick says something that helped him in his healing was EMDR, but he's not really sure what it stands for.

1:08:49It stands for eye movement desensitization and reprocessing. He says it was something to do with rapid eye movement. It's a little unusual. They put you right back in that place that you've been trying to avoid for years and you face it head on and it's unpleasant, but they get you used to dealing with that and eventually you're better at processing it. I was really hung up on his answer for this one because I think this was confirming to some degree that he is definitely not a good communicator. At least in my opinion, I think that much is true. I don't know what else is true, but he went through EMDR.

1:09:29It's a very intense experience, and the way he describes it is yet still so vague. So I think he just employs a lot of vague language. I think he maybe has a hard time describing his own experiences, perhaps, And that's why everything feels kind of weird and vague and distant maybe because this is an easy way to describe like i'm laying in a chair I'm doing this and then this happens right and oh, I felt this when it was happening but then now I feel like this right but instead it was They get you used to dealing with it. It's unpleasant and eventually you're better at processing it I'm still very confused.

1:10:02Yeah, we don't know what happened. Yeah, yeah Well, what is that? Yeah, then he says something the internet is genuinely confused by as well He says they've used it in survivors of 9-11 and October 7th and some horrible events. And after I did all that, after all those sessions, waking up screaming, the horrible dreams, they mostly stopped. It was like a miracle. 9-11 makes sense. We're Americans, right? But people thought the insertion of October 7th on CBS, basically run by Barry Weiss, felt very random, very forced. He's not Jewish. He's Catholic or his family is Catholic. So it was kind of random.

1:10:40So one comment reads, mentioning October 7th is so specific. Another comment reads, like, what is happening right now? Like, it's just very odd. Side note, CBS includes clips of TikTokers who are saying Patrick did it and giving their theories. So they're doing like the whole, look at the internet, right? And a lot of people point out that there have been a lot of outspoken male voices on TikTok also veering on the side of Patrick did it that were highly suspicious of Patrick from the beginning that the trial transpired and none of them are shown. I can think of at least two male TikTokers that I kept seeing in the research of trying to get comments for this case.

1:11:22None of them were shown. Neither of them were shown. It's all women being shown. But Ross asks Patrick, how do you respond to people who have that idea about you? This, I thought, was a big moment in the interview because this seems to be the reason they're doing the interview. The internet is saying you did it. What's your response? This is your moment. Like this is the only reason I thought they were doing the interview is to get rid of these rumors by clarifying things. You don't have to go and say, oh, the Costa Rica thing. Let me tell you about the dates. But just some sort of wording that would click for people.

1:11:58Patrick says it's deeply harmful to the legacy of my children. It's a huge distraction from what really matters here, which is perinatal mental health. And it's done real harm to real people, myself included, but also to others. I think a lot of netizens, I tend to agree with that sentiment, wanted a bit more of a sincere feeling moment where he could just say like, I would never, ever harm my kids. I would never hurt a hair on my children. They were the best part of my entire life. I would do anything to bring them back, I would never harm my kids. I wish I could wake up January 23rd and do everything differently.

1:12:37Netizens feel like his words feel really cold and distant. But again, some argue when you're being attacked like that, you're not trying to be vulnerable. You're just defensive. You're upset. You're traumatized. And then others are arguing back. Then don't do the interview. So I guess it's just a lot of back and forth. And technically, he really doesn't owe the internet who has been tearing him apart. He doesn't owe anyone vulnerability. But they get into why some of these theories kicked off, if you will, and it has to do with Patrick being very stoic on the witness stand. Patrick says testifying is really difficult.

1:13:10He says that he had a panic attack right before they played the 911 call, which has been sealed. And that's a whole thing we're going to get into. We can't hear the 911 call. He says his heart was pounding. They put him in an ambulance and they offered him meds, but he refused. He just wanted to power through it. Patrick says he reached out to experts in the field of perinatal health and he asked them, what do you think happened? And that's resulted in very deep conversations, which has helped him come to terms with what's happened. And I think, again, this could just be maybe Patrick is not a spectacular communicator and he does employ a lot of vague language, but he keeps bringing up his children's legacy and tying it to perinatal health but there's nothing that is a message a central message of like this is what needs to be fixed about perinatal health this is what i'm working towards or this is what people don't understand other than his one message of mental health can be disguised other than that there's no yeah we need more people to understand we need more fathers to get involved we need the health care system to take women seriously like there was no strong rallying of the troops message when this is as he said his children's legacy to some degree so I think that was a little bit confusing and then Rachel Danis is introduced Ross states that they met in a run club January 2024 in New York City and they got to know each other over coffee Rachel says Pat pulls out his phone to pay and I noticed this adorable photo of children as the wallpaper and I just asked who are those cuties and Pat had said those are my kids and then I think I asked if they lived in Massachusetts and Pat said they died and this is just at the cashier.

1:15:03Netizens have thoughts about that statement. Some think Patrick is weird, some think coffee is weird, some think Massachusetts is weird, others think the word cutie is weird. I guess some people are like did you meet at a run club or did you meet getting coffee but I think it's insinuated that they met at a run club and then they all got coffee afterwards right or at least the two of them got coffee afterwards some people are wondering why did you ask him if his kids are in Massachusetts if you don't know Patrick but I think it could be implied that as they're running she's like oh like what part of the city are you from and he's like oh I just moved from Massachusetts I don't really know I just joined so there's a lot of there's a lot of inference that could be made but um some people think that Patrick is weird for saying they died so casually at a cashier station at a coffee shop others think it's not really weird others think in fact it would be weirder if he's trying to make it a big deal usually people try to downplay their trauma to not offend or burden the other person with their reaction so if he had said oh well not exactly that would have been stranger like what what should he have said right Rachel continues I guess I had so many questions and yet at the same time I didn't know exactly what to ask I think I asked their names and ages and then the conversation just continued from there Did you actually imagine that this was a first date that could lead to love and marriage?

1:16:24So this is the part where I think people were confused of like wait, I thought they're just meeting as friends Like is this a date now? Is it a coffee date? We don't know But he asked if it was the first date. Yeah, and what did they say? Maybe he's saying like in hindsight oh he didn't say those words she says no so you thought this was a guy i want to be friends with and help i thought i hope pat wants to be friends and let's remain friends so people thought this wording was weird some people are like what do you mean remain friends if you guys aren't dating why do you go back to being friends like remain friends i guess people thought was weird or is she trying to say like I wanted to be friends with Pat maybe he wanted to date me from the get-go and I said no I just want to be friends and I hoped that he would want to stay friends and not try to escalate later we really don't know and again is it their responsibility to cater their words to ease the minds of the public no but it was just strange that they didn't come a little bit more prepared in certain aspects they were just friends for a few months until Patrick came to one of her races and met her sister.

1:17:34Rachel has a sister who has Down syndrome. And Rachel says, I had my sister with me after the race. And then she met Pat. I think you can tell a lot about someone when they're interacting with a person with special needs. Pat was really friendly, really warm. And I, again, though, wasn't taking it that seriously. But we were all sitting at a picnic table. And I didn't know it at the time. but Pat had taken a candid photo of me with Lauren. We were just hugging and Rachel starts smiling really big and it looks like she's going to start crying and she does. And she looks at Patrick and says, sorry, I just love her so much.

1:18:12And Pat really saw what matters to me. Again, people are picking apart the statement, saying like warm and friendly doesn't really seem like Pat, but we don't really know Patrick. We just know him from this case. So of course, warm and friendly may not be his presenting emotions. There's also some people thought it was weird that she's crying about her sister, but not crying about the kids. I tend to disagree with that sentiment a tiny bit, because I also think it would be off-putting if she came on TV and was crying about the three children. I see some parts where it seems like she's trying not to cry when she's talking about the kids later.

1:18:56but I think it would also rub people the wrong way if she's sobbing and she's like oh my gosh I just feel so bad for him and for the kids like I think that would have also been strange what did people say to you when you guys started officially dating everyone paused understandably so I say everyone I had told a couple of close friends I think family members were picking up on it she says I think people were worried what did you tell people about pat i said and i still say it was the first time sundays felt like saturdays because you know everyone has the sunday scaries where they don't want to go back to work on monday so i guess i think i don't really know i think the meaning of that is instead of getting the sunday scaries every day feels like saturday every day feels fun happy but some netizens think the line is strange just like the i'm just a girl line others point out that patrick is staring at the interviewer for this very heartfelt comment rather than looking at his wife.

1:19:54Again, they think that's kind of weird because, I mean, your wife is kind of crying and she's talking about how you make her feel. She continues, so I didn't have a reason to stop. Life just got a lot calmer for me and while I did have hesitations, you know, Pat was saying he wants the same things I do. Some netizens thought this was an odd comment because Patrick said the same thing just recently about Lindsay saying like they wanted the same things when they started dating and some netizens have started theorizing that or not theorizing have been speculating giving their opinions that they believe Patrick is a narcissist who will mirror you and say that we want the same things we have the same values there is no proof in that but I'm just saying Ross asks Rachel if she helps Patrick carry the grief and memories Patrick says she does and Rachel says she hopes she does Rachel says i always try to take some of the some of the weight from pat so people are like what was she trying to say some people are like it sounds like she was trying to say shame why would you feel shame if your kids were killed by the mom so i think a few things with this we really have no idea what she wanted to say and two if she was going to say shame some netizens theorize like maybe rachel's family has not been that accepting of patrick and what made people think she was gonna say that just because she paused she said i try to take some of the so people are like what other word could it be there's discussions online and then she says some of the weight from pat i always want to strive to do that i know i can't fix i can't bring his kids back but if i can honor them and allow pat to grieve but just to continue to honor them in the present i guess that's all i can do and you guys are starting a family yeah and what are you going to tell your child about their brothers and sisters patrick says i think every parent can agree you have different relationships with your kids but they're all your kids a lot of netizens are like what does that mean yeah what does that mean i don't know yeah that's the part i i saw was yeah and he says i can't wait to tell them about their brothers and sister so again it's just kind of vague it didn't really answer the question but we don't really know what it means what do you want to say to people who are coming to this case with fresh eyes but just some vague sense that there's something to be suspicious of rachel says i don't know how the stories have been so twisted but i would hope people know that pat is as i said before the most selfless father and supportive partner and i was just a girl that met a guy running in Central Park on a really cold Saturday and I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

1:22:45So I think this was indirectly addressing were you guys together before the incident. I think it's weird that in the teaser clip they didn't include the question but of course I mean that's what a teaser is right but it was just the whole thing some people thought was odd others say this feels like a very genuine response and now you have a lot of mixed reactions of people who are still very extreme in their thought of like, I hate Lindsay or I hate Patrick. And then a middle ground of people that are like, it's the extended cut of the interview is not as bad as the teasers, but it was just more confusing than anything.

1:23:19Now, the initial interview that aired was a cut version of this, and that was pretty bad. I thought it was very bad. The extended version does show both of them in a much less polarizing light. But I think the opinions are going to keep coming. I don't think people are going to change their minds. One person comments in defense of Patrick, I think what a lot of you don't understand is that the lack of emotion at all is not a lack of emotion at all. He is fighting for his life behind those eyes. You can actually see the trauma and pain in his eyes. He's trying to hold himself together on camera and not absolutely lose it.

1:23:50He went through unimaginable trauma and has had spent years trying to heal and recover and navigate this new life without all three of his children. do you know how hard that is? Shame on all of you for spreading rumors and blaming this man. Another comment reads, these people think life should be how it is in a movie. If it only happened a few months ago, I'd understand. But go through something on this scale and survive it. This is what coming out on the other side looks like for this man. They need to let him be and let him enjoy life as a father again. It's crazy that he even has to explain himself.

1:24:23Others are in the middle. They're saying like, I don't think he did it. And I'm not going to say I think he did it because I don't but doesn't mean he was the best father in the world doesn't mean he was the best husband in the world and it's okay to have those opinions and others think he did it I think the 60 minutes interview kind of added a bit more confusion to everything if I can be honest especially before the extended version was released one person comments that they did not like Rachel being in the interview writing I'm sorry there's something very weird about his new wife joining the interview.

1:24:57Others argue, I don't really blame her though. The delusional Patrick did it crowd are accusing her of all sorts of crazy things. I've seen people claim that she helped Patrick kill the kids. If people were accusing me and my husband of murdering his children, I'd probably want to speak out too. But others are arguing when they spoke out, did they address those rumors? Did they shut those rumors down? Or did they inadvertently fuel more of those rumors. I guess that's up for everyone to debate. Others ask the question, what better way to demand people to stop talking about you than to give a highly publicized interview?

1:25:29Others argue if everyone was out there saying the most insane things about you, wouldn't you still do the interview just to clear your name? I think the interview was emotionally impactful. I think it was emotionally clarifying to a lot of people, regardless of where you stand on this case. I don't know if it was the most enlightening in terms of questions that people wanted answers to or to the Patrick Did It crowd or to any of that. I think it could be argued that Patrick and Rachel, again, do not owe the internet any answers, but it just seemed a little more confusing than anything. It feels like both sides were left slightly with more questions than before.

1:26:07Many people on TikTok with a PR background have said that just from a PR perspective, this was horrendous of an interview. And again, this is not their opinion on who's guilty, who's not guilty, or their opinion on any of the individuals. They just thought from a PR perspective, it was not a good interview. These were not good answers. Whether it's clipped by CBS to make them look a certain way, it just was not good. But one thing I will say that I've noticed from this interview is, because I've been working on this case for like weeks, right? SEO has been wild since the interview came out. because I'm like, oh, I remember reading a whole Reddit thread, like a very lengthy Reddit thread with a lot of comments, a lot of interactions about this very niche topic involving Patrick Clancy and Rachel Danis or one of the other aspects of this case.

1:26:58And typically when I'm able to Google it, it pops up very quickly because I'm like, okay, I remember this was the exact phrasing of either the Reddit post or the responses. This was the general topic. if you look up a lot of things when you get into the niche categories of all the online rumors about this case most of the reddit threads that get popped up or the google seo searches are about this interview what did patrick say in the interview cbs interview this interview this it's just plethora of like what are your thoughts on this interview interview interview interview that's not me saying like oh patrick and rachel did this for the seo results right because i don't even know if they know i wouldn't have known if i wasn't actively in the depths of googling things about random niche conspiracies online.

1:27:40But also, maybe this is not to address those rumors. Maybe this is Patrick and Rachel's way of announcing that they are starting their own family so that they can move on and people won't have a zillion questions because on TMZ, she looked slightly pregnant, according to netizens, and people went into a frenzy. So maybe they just want to safeguard some of that time to grow their family and Rachel be pregnant and they can just move on. Ross, the interviewer, did an interview with CBS after the interview. And he thinks Patrick did the interview because in short, quote, I think he just felt like he needed to speak out to exist as a public voice among all the other public voices and also to talk about his children.

1:28:21I think that was the most important thing, his sense that the memory of his kids risk being buried under all the sensationalism around the case. And he wanted to try and put the focus back on them. Ross, what do you think most people in the online universe get wrong about him? Because he has been blamed a lot. there have been a lot of theories you spend some time with him what do you think that they've got wrong about Patrick Clancy I think that what you saw in the trial and in his description of what was going on behind the scenes is true to his overall approach to this kind of grief where you have a surface level of powerful stoicism he's capable of talking at length about what happened about his life now about all of his kids in a very controlled way where he's not overrun with emotion then you get these moments and we got to them in the conversation where you can see the stoicism breakdown and the raw emotion come out so i think that's when he starts heavy breathing he did that during the trial where he sounds like he's about to head to a panic attack ross continues that's my sense of things that he's just figured out strategies and ways of carrying this grief he's a runner he runs a lot i think the first time i met him he had just run many miles in new york city and running is something where you're focused straight ahead.

1:29:31You're running and you're going straight ahead and that's mostly how he carries himself and then you push at it and the emotion comes to the surface. Russ, what can you elaborate on when it comes to them actually starting a family? And then listening to Rachel talk about her support for Patrick, what did you observe when it came to how she showed up for him? They are having a child and maybe starting a family was maybe a bit too coy of a way of asking it. This was my first 60 Minutes interview So when I'm a few years in, I'll ask the questions more straightforwardly. But yes, they're having a child.

1:30:02And I think there's a lot of things I think that feel to them serendipitous. Obviously, he's lost his children. She's a fertility doctor. She helps people get pregnant and have kids. Their relationship is built around, as far as I can see, integrating her into a world where his departed children are always present. We went into his apartment and there are wedding photos of him and Rachel. and then everywhere there are effectively shrines to his children and photos of his children and objects from his children. They've put together a life that's about them but with Cora, Dawson, and Callan always present.

1:30:34This 60 minutes interview has been to say the least controversial. Can I say mixed reactions, differing opinions once more. It's just it's been a lot and it's been interesting to see the reaction to the interview versus the reaction to Patrick's initial testimony at the trial which we will be heading into next in the next episode we're going to run through a lot of the trial stuff a lot of the events of january 24th the cell phones all of the data and information that the investigators have reached into what people think happened and then even kind of going through the patrick did it conspiracies if people think he did it how do they think he did it?

1:31:18And that's just their thoughts, right? But so stay tuned for the next episode. Stay safe and I will see you in the next one.

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