Police Gave Me EVERYTHING Netflix Didn’t Show You About “Unknown Number”

26:31Your number, even though it was being hid, showed up every single message. My number? Yep. Does she really think she could have got away with FBI getting involved? Yeah. And she says, my number? Yep. Does it have to do with Owen? Is there some sort of infatuation there with Owen? No. Nothing like that. Does Lauren know about it? No. She shakes her head and she's asking the detective. I really don't want her to. What does it look like going from here? Because the thing is, once this is out there, Like, I don't know how she can go to school. The officer is like, yeah, well, there's no way around it.

27:14So we're going to bring in Lauren. We're going to sit her down and talk to her. And she's about to finally hear who the hell has been threatening her and encouraging her to self-exit, calling her all sorts of nasty names, trying to steal her boyfriend for the past two years. The officer starts. Mom got wrapped up in some stuff. What does that mean? The text messages. He's kind of vague about it. In the Netflix documentary, he doesn't even really say the text messages. In the unedited audio, he mentions the text messages like once. So it's pretty clear that Lauren kind of understands it's about the text messages.

27:46Oh, OK. So mom just got wrapped up into this mess and continued on blasting these text messages and stuff out. I know that's probably confusing as heck and why. But sometimes when we're not thinking straight, we do some things that aren't right. Lauren's mom Kendra reaches over And puts her hand on Lauren's thigh In a show of comfort But if you listen carefully Like why would they need a search warrant for Kendra's phones I think Lauren is slowly putting everything together I will say the officer is just oddly vague About the whole thing And Lauren is like piecing together She's glancing around Oh so that's how he unveiling the information It's your mother But all he says was Your mom being wrapped up in some stuff Text messages So we have a search warrant and we found stuff on her phone.

28:35So Lauren is like slowly piecing it together. We're going to take her phone and stuff. You know, sometimes when we're not thinking straight, we do some things that aren't right. Your mom doesn't want to get to get this out, but it's going to be public information. By this point, Kendra is up on her daughter. She has her arms wrapped all the way around Lauren. Like she's like a sloth trying to climb a tree. She's resting her left cheek onto Lauren's head, kissing her forehead, wiping the baby hairs from her forehead. What? What a weird course of action when you were just exposed for harassing and abusing your child for years.

29:13And the officer is like, she said you had no idea what was going on. And I believe that. What has to happen now is I have to make sure you and your mom are safe before I leave. So I'd like you to call your dad and maybe he can come home and meet with us, okay? Kendra reaches over and grabs Lauren's hand, almost as if she is the one needing comfort. Now, Kendra is a part of the Netflix documentary, Unknown Number, which is interesting considering the call is coming from inside the house, literally. But when Kendra sits down, she's a very big reason to agreeing to all of this. She just wants her side of the story to be heard.

29:45She says, you guys are going to think I'm the crazy lady. Every single one of us makes mistakes. Not a single one of us has lived a perfect life. and realistically a lot of us have probably, I mean, broke the law at some point or another and not got caught. I mean, I'll be honest, you know, I'm sure people drove drunk, haven't been caught, right? But again, if you get caught, you're in the same situation I'm in, but for a different thing. So I do feel that people lose sight of that. I know to some, I'm a headline, I'm a villain, I'm a bad mom, I'm a whatever, but that's because, you know, one little piece of my story they don't know my whole story and she explains so the messages stop for a little bit and they pick back up in my mind I'm like how long do we let this go on so to give you some further context an unknown sender starts sending harassing text messages to Lauren and Owen and then they stop for like 11 months they stop sending any messages and then all of a sudden the text messages pick back up again and this time it's 40 50 a day for a year Kendra is saying that she never sent the original messages.

30:52Oh, really? Yeah, we're going to get into that later. More on that later because nobody believes you, Kendra. But she says after 11 months, she picks up where they left off by sending harassing threats. And her reasoning for this is very simple. She wants to catch whoever sent the first original text messages. She wants to find out who they are. So she's going to send more messages. She says, what do I do as a parent? Honestly, the best way would have been to stop it by shutting her cell phone down right but then i was like well why would she have to do that you know why should i have to get her a new phone like because of someone else's actions right i really wanted to get to the bottom of who it was right and that's when i started sending the text messages to lauren and owen i was sending the messages in hopes that maybe they would send back asking is this somebody is this so and so to just kind of give me something right Oh, this person is crazy.

31:47Yeah. Oh, my God. When is she saying this? When she's getting... In the Netflix documentary. Like this is at the police station? No. Or just sitting at home? This is like after she's a free woman. And she's sitting down with Netflix. Oh. Wow. She made up this really... Nobody even freaking will believe 1 % of the reasoning. And she's like telling it with full chest. Yeah. And all the IP addresses lead back to her. and only her so oh my god it doesn't even make sense no it doesn't her reasoning doesn't make sense but she says i was also hoping that as maybe they talked about the messages amongst their friend group and stuff that something might come up that could help pinpoint you know where they were originating from i started in the thoughts of we need some answers and then it just kept going it was a spiral kind of a snowball effect i don't think i knew how to stop.

32:45I was somebody different in those moments. It was like I had a mask on or something. She starts spending eight hours a day sending these messages to harass her daughter and her daughter's boyfriend. It becomes her full-time job because she lies about having a job. She gets let go of her job and lies about it. She never tells her family that she's been let go of this job. And for a year, she pretends to go to work, but instead she is sending messages. what's her job before she used to be an it specialist at ferris university she was let go and now this is her full-time job sending messages and she i'm so sorry okay they're not in the university no is that the acute life event that you were mentioning or it's unrelated it seems like it's one of them isn't that interesting she gets hired yes for what reason She spent too much time on her phone on texting and video calling and calling people that were not work related Wow So she gets let go and this becomes her full-time job sending messages And she's saying that she's doing this to catch the real person that sent a few messages 11 months ago Meanwhile, she's over here texting Owen and I down to suck finger fuck His dick and fingers, my pussy and mouth making me creamy.

34:09And not in the documentary, but in the court doc, it reads, Owen, like our science convo about redacted being fingered, he's ready to do it to me. We know you ain't doing it. And like they told you, he need better. I will be that girlfriend for him and give him it all. This is again from the court documents. I don't know why they weren't shown in the documentary because these text messages, even just the text messages that were shown in the documentary, a lot of netizens are saying, how is she not charged with like sexually harassing a minor but those text messages in the court documents are worse it's just worse and you're saying like we have some people who are moms in our in the team and they're just losing their yeah they're like it doesn't even make sense to me i don't even understand another text message from the court doc again reads these are 13 14 year olds owen got the fingering deets and he be and i be jerking and making him creamy you be fucking jealous so her text message doesn't even like have any things just like vulgar just it doesn't even there's not even a message the message is owen wants me and not you yeah yeah just over and over and over and over another text message just reads creamy you should have been a real girlfriend and gave him what he needed.

35:30Be fucking jealous. My my fucking tits in his face. Real ass, real body bitch. Bed pics for real. FaceTime get real. Our fucking text. He jerk off for me. Fuck off. He said I'm fucking hot. Best ever. Fucking making him horny. Fucking make him horny. Make it cream. Again, Kendra claims she has a very good reason for this. She is basically going undercover to figure out who the real harasser originally was. You have to believe her. Not being invited to Chloe Wilson's annual Halloween party would probably have me crying in my room at night. Chloe is one of the popular girls at the school. She's on the volleyball team, the basketball team.

36:17Her parents are popular. She has friends from nearby schools. Everyone knows Chloe and everyone knows her Halloween parties. except Lauren who does not even want to go and technically Lauren's not invited but Owen states well if I'm going then you're gonna come with me because Owen and Lauren are dating. Lauren and Owen have been dating for like a year at this point and Owen by all accounts seems to have he seems like the more popular one he seems a little bit more social he has a lot of friends he's on the football team and Lauren is described by everyone as being pretty quiet. She likes to keep to herself and a small group of people that she knows and that's what she likes and the Halloween party does not sound like something that she wants to attend but they're dating this is part of the life so now it's part of hers Lauren just does not really get along with people like Chloe Beale City high school cliques seem very intense it's a small town school Beale City has one stoplight two bars and they're more like pubs the entire town has a population of a few hundred people with more wind turbines than they have bars.

37:19One netizen describes living in a small town like that as quote, an experience where you have to be careful not to kiss a relative, not because incest is like a trend or shared experience, but because there's only so many residents and you can only have so many drinks before you're like, wait, am I blackout drunk and making out with my cousin? It's a numbers game. Lauren describes living in Beale City as It's a really small school in a really small area and everybody knows everybody. I feel like you're going to absolutely love living there or you're going to loathe it. It's cute. If a local is diagnosed with cancer, the whole town will start a meal train and sell shirts that read, nobody fights alone.

37:59And there's only about 30 kids per class. Meaning Lauren's class that she's graduating with consists about 30 to 50 students. The entire school building is K through 12, all in one building. I feel like the kids are all just in one class completely And out of the 30 kids They have separate group chats Separate friend groups Owen describes it as You've got the popular kids Like Chloe and her friends You've got the cheerleaders And then you have the quiet kids I guess because there's not as many people There are less groups I mean nobody says it outright But it seems like Lauren is maybe in the quieter group Owen is maybe in the popular group Or you know Lauren is maybe floating between the groups And nothing is wrong with any of that.

38:42The problem comes when everyone is just talking about everyone. I mean, if there's only a few hundred people, that's not that hard to find out who... That's what I was saying. Wow. One of Owen's childhood best friends and fellow potential popular kid is Sophie. And she says, no one really has anything better to do than talk about other people. Like even the parents, like they talk about us teenagers. what we're doing. And I feel like that's kind of a toxic thing that gets passed down. One netizen concurs by writing a review on Beale City High School on niche.com, quote, parents are great, but some care too much about the athletic sphere.

39:24The parents are really involved. Owen might say that they're too involved. And even the parents want to talk to the other parents about the kids drama. The parents have drama themselves. It's kind of a mess in a lot of small towns and Beale City is not immune to these social circles but it seems by all accounts that the popular kids are going to be the ones in attendance at Chloe's Halloween party and this is when the first text messages come in. One of the first messages from the unknown sender to both Lauren and Owen read, did Owen say anything to you about what's going on? If he didn't tell you yet, I will.

40:00Owen and I agreed and thought it would be a great time for Owen and I to get together and officially hook up. You are not being invited because we want this time together. He's coming to my house on Halloween too and is giving me his sweatshirt to wear. You're a sweet girl, but I know I can give him what he wants. Sorry, not sorry. This is sent to Owen as well. Yes. It's obvious he wants me. His attention is constantly on me. When was the last time he paid attention to you or acted like he likes you? He is never with you, nor has he ever talking to you. He's always with, quote, other girls or texting and talking to me.

40:33He's constantly hitting on me. he laughs smiles touches my hair picks at me and crushing hardcore for me he always wants to be near me and involved in our conversations when has he ever acted like that way to you don't be jealous when i wear his sweatshirt and jersey not sure what he told you but he is coming to the halloween party and we are both dtf and they were 13 yeah he wants nothing to do with you he thinks you're annoying and an ugly ass bitch and wishes you would leave him the fuck alone i feel like these text messages are literally a Gossip Girl episode. Why do you think he's on his phone all the time talking to me?

41:08It's obvious. He does not want you in his life. He talks shit about you all the time. You didn't get invited to his football game. I did. You didn't get invited to his house. I did. You didn't get invited to sleep with him. I did. I did. I'm spending the night with him. I'm sharing a bed with him. Not you. He's comforting me. Not you. You didn't get invited to be with him in the hot tub I did. Then another text message reads, I hope you finally get the point. He wants to spend time with me, not you. We will keep making you look stupid. He promised to keep flirting with me and I promised to do it all in front of you.

41:43He wants to see you run out of school crying. He fucking hates your ugly anorexic ass. What the hell is that? Lauren is so confused. Owen is reassuring her that he is absolutely not DTF and has no clue who this person is. Owen thinks it's maybe one of the quieter kids because they're more quote techie, but clearly somebody is just messing with them. At the Halloween party, they start going around and asking around to see if anyone knows the number or someone sent it as like a sick joke. Nobody fesses up and they move on for 11 months. Nothing happens. Kendra claims these Halloween messages were not sent by her.

42:19She said, not those ones. I did not. It wasn't until way later. 11 months later, the messages start again. And I feel like they're way, way, way, way worse. And we're going to go through a lot of the text messages, the ones from the Netflix documentary, the ones from the court document. They're all going to be in here. And we're going to go through the messages while we go through the theories of why Kendra did this to her own daughter. Because I feel like Netflix kind of at the end threw out a reasoning of why Kendra did this. But a lot of netizens are not even convinced by that reasoning. Some people think it's got to be something else.

42:48And there's actually a lot more theories online and text messages supporting those theories will be included when we get to them. But one thing is a thousand percent. All the roads lead back to Kendra. 18 months into the messages terrorizing the entire school. By month 18. I mean, everybody knows about this. But like the first month, everybody knew about it. The principal, superintendent, the sheriff, everybody's involved. Kids are pointing the finger at other kids. The parents are pointing the finger at kids. It's not until April 2022, the FBI gets involved. And like I said, all the IP addresses, even the beginning ones that she claimed she absolutely did not send were all sent by Kendra.

43:28So why did she do it? Theory number one. Kendra is jealous of her teenage daughter, Lauren. Sick to her stomach, green with envy level jealous. One message reads, Lo, which is Lauren's nickname. You be jealous when he's at varsity game today. He ain't wasting time seeing you suck. He knows you suck. You the worst. You for real need to quit. No one wants you playing Ain't no one sad break an ankle It's interesting because usually when there is jealousy from mother to daughter The mother wants the daughter to do well enough to reflect well on her own parenting But not so well that the daughter outshines the mother Basically this experience.

44:05This is a redditor. My mother always wanted me to be pretty but not too pretty Like I had a cute tiny waist. So if I wear a belt that defined my waistline, she told me I look like a slut. It's interesting. Some psychologists have said it's like a narcissistic mother views their daughter as direct threats. Anytime they look at their daughter, it is a reminder of their youth and a reminder of the mother's own aging process. They want to provide more freedom for their kids because that makes them look good amongst their friends. But they also resent them for having a better life than they did. So they want to take them down.

44:37Another message reads, You have no friends You fucking suck cock for guys to talk to you You fucked up You treat him like shit You don't get with him in bed You don't sneak out with him You fucking dress awful Ain't no guy want that You look like an anorexic toddler That ain't sexy It's embarrassing You need to do something about that You need to change your face, hair, body, clothes He agreed He won't give you his jersey to wear He ain't wasting no time No waste of space mistake Ugly anorexic toddler wearing his shit to embarrass him He ain't proud of you And wishes he never met your sorry ass He said it looked better on a dog than you, embarrassed when you wear it.

45:11That was from the court document. Perhaps Kendra is just jealous that her entire role that she now sees it is, and this is not me saying it, but maybe she just sees herself as a mom now. And Lauren is maybe entering what Kendra believes are her prime years, high school, college. Kendra's cousin was interviewed for the documentary. And she said, you know, Kendra is very fun, very outgoing, the life of the party. She likes the attention, I think. if she were here right now. So she's being interviewed by the producers. And she knows the whole thing. And she says, if Kendra were here right now and you're talking to me, you're interviewing me, she would be dancing over there to try and get your attention, to get you to look at her.

45:51Now she suddenly has kids and she's a baseball basketball coach for Lauren. One report states that while Lauren is quiet, Kendra's like the cool mom. People say that she would gossip with the girls, literally high school girls, during softball or basketball practice. students would film her dancing to Sir Mix-A-Lot and doing cartwheels down a hotel hallway when they would have away games. Fascinating. Another odd thing is Kendra would show up to the school to comfort Lauren, but would use it as an opportunity to get close with the other high school girls. She would tell classmates of Lauren's that she's bringing a change of clothes for Lauren because the person texting was making fun of her shirt, so she feels insecure.

46:29She's texting it, and she's bringing a shirt. And then now she's getting sympathy from all these high school girls that are like, oh, Miss LaCari, I feel so bad. Yeah, that's so sweet of you. And even if she wasn't, why would you even consider telling someone when the bully is supposedly in the classroom and could use it against your daughter? Or another time she'll text girls in Lauren's class saying things along the lines of, can you go to the bathroom and check up on Lauren? She just texted me that she's crying in the stalls. or she would talk to other kids about how stressed she is, about how stressed Lauren is about these text messages.

47:06But Kendra will swear, this is not the motive. She is not a jealous mother. Yes, she was targeting everything that Lauren was insecure about. However, it wasn't to make her feel bad. Kendra straight up says, Lauren knows she's petite. She knows she's small. She knows she's thin. So I might have kind of picked up on some of her insecurities, her hair, her appearance, her looks, you know. But honestly, the messages weren't really targeted. at her insecurities the netflix producer does ask something that kind of pissed off a lot of netizens which is they ask kendra were they targeted at you were you sending those messages to yourself and they were like why are you trying to give her an out to make herself look better basically they're asking her like did you feel like the mean things you're saying you're almost saying it to yourself no what kind of question is that but kendra is like yes that very well possibly because I was way too thin.

48:02I was not eating. So you could put me in that anorexic category. A lot of people are like, why would you even ask that? I also don't think that that's what happened at all. I honestly think that Kendra was saying that because, I mean, I also struggle with my choice of, sometimes I struggle with body image as well, right? Everybody does. lots of people do and some people think that kendra as she's aging she notices that her metabolism is not as quick as it used to be and maybe she has to work extra hard to stay in that body frame that she likes and she's looking at her teenage daughter and like lots of teenage kids they can just eat whatever they want and they don't really fluctuate and wait as much as like a 50 year old woman and so maybe she's very upset with that it doesn't i don't think that she's sending it to herself.

48:51I think she's pissed off. And I mean, the messages are insane. Some more read, you jealous bitch. He ain't talking to your sorry ass. He talking to us. How does it feel to lose? Your anorexic body ain't worth shit. He never came back to you. He never want to talk to you again. He want you to fucking stop. You fucking will be crying every day. We could fucking care less. He never come back to you. He didn't even talk to you to get the fucking point. He hates you. Now we ruin your life. You fucking did this. Now we ruin your life. We all hate you. You fucking suck. You're the fucking reason JV lost the basketball game and only went to the varsity game.

49:25We losing. You didn't do shit. You fucking suck. Proved it again. Fucking break a neck, leg, anything today and be done with basketball. Ugly, anorexic, no good. We promise you, you know, he's cheating. Fuck you. We won and he hates you. There have been times that I have just been like deep in the trenches of unsafe lands where I just know all the occupants, all the residents of this online territory hate my existence and I will go in the trenches knee deep in the pure hatred spewing out in the comments against me mind you not to give any of those people like very aggressively hateful people any grace but those people they don't even know me I don't know them I don't personally care for them I have no interpersonal connection with them and they still don't say such vile shit like it's crazy I know it sounds immature at times which is why I think people aren't taking it as seriously.

50:15Well, they are, but it's not. They don't think the messages themselves are that detrimental. I think more people are focused on the fact that Kendra is crazy. But these messages are, this is like a freaking bombardment of hatred. If you look at maybe one message, sure, you could say it's goofy. But then when you look at thousands of them coming in nonstop, it's like suffocating. There are even Photoshop pictures with vomit emojis thrown on top of Lauren's face, writing words like skank and ho all over the photos. And it's interesting because even a mean girl in high school will probably not have this level of bizarrely immature, pure hatred.

50:54And for Kendra to have that against her own daughter is bizarre. And I say immature hatred, not because I don't think it's immature in the sense of, oh, this is dumb. But in the sense of like, this feels like jealousy in the purest form. It's not even complicated jealousy. You know, sometimes with jealousy, it's like, I want my family member to do well, but I get slightly jealous because I know when they do well, my parents will inevitably compare me to them and then put me down. So their happiness does indirectly impact my happiness. And it's like, it's a little more complicated. This pure jealousy.

51:28It's weird. And she's just so mean. One text message, not in the documentary. It just says, you're an L1. Fuck off. Lauren doesn't respond, so she texts, Speechless. Keep it that way. Another one just responds meanly, Hey bitch, how ya lunch, LMAO? Wow. Huh. One part of the court document reads, The texts go on to suggest that she is losing her peer group and that no one likes her. The effect of these messages have on a teen is devastating and will create lifelong trauma. Learning that this was her own mother that perpetrated this crime only exacerbates those effects tenfold. Wait, did her dad find out?

52:12And what was all of that reaction? We'll get into it. He was devastated too. Wow. Yeah. Wow. One netizen comment reads, She was obviously jealous of Lauren. Like, be for real, Kendra. And of course, netizens have taken to armchair diagnose Kendra. Is it narcissistic personality disorder? but people are also arguing everybody has that these days according to the internet so like what does that even mean anymore some people are saying is it borderline personality disorder others are arguing again everybody has that anti-social personality disorder but the one that's being more seriously thrown around in this discourse is histrionic personality disorder HPD is usually characterized by a pervasive pattern of excessive emotionality and attention seeking behaviors.

52:58People who genuinely are annoyed not being the center of attention. They will act in strangely inappropriate sexual ways in front of even co-workers just to get attention that they crave. Basically another disorder that people like to slap typically on women on the internet but usually incorrect. It's not that common to have HPD but I do see how in this specific case some netizens are coming to the theory that Kendra has it. Firstly it's one of the nicer diagnosis that you can give her. The other one just being like a pervert pedophile. But they're basically saying Kendra is the type to pretend to faint or get sick at everyone's birthday parties.

53:34And maybe that goes hand in hand with the jealousy that she feels for Lauren. The speculation online being that she cannot stand not being the center of attention and she's being outshined by her daughter. I will say that HPD does have a very strong stigma because Because I think the need to be the center of attention. And it comes off as someone who is very vapid or vain. But one good comparison that people have with HPD is they say like a character is like Harlequin. It's not like I just want everyone to look at. It's usually connected to some deep desire to feel accepted. And they just go about it in ways that could be slightly destructive to themselves.

54:12Nevertheless, a lot of people believe Kendra might have HPD. Which does not excuse her actions. nor does it mean that someone with HPD would do something like this. It's just part of the discourse. A lot of people point to the way that even at basketball games, she's like doing the cartwheels with all the teen kids. Like, it's weird. But at the same time, she's bullying her own daughter for her basketball performance. Text messages read LMFAO two points. You suck. With one comment reading, she was jealous of her daughter. I mean, she was pretty good. She was pretty good at sports, was the number one couple at school, and her mom envied the attention she got.

54:48So she tore down the town in order for her daughter to have a greater need for the mom in her life. Classic narcissistic abuse. Oh, another thing that was just so jolting in the court documents. Kendra kept a screenshot of all the text messages organized on her desktop. Literal PDF files of text messages. Like the thousands of them? Yeah, a lot of them. And then another folder just titled Snap. It has all of her login history for Snapchat. And then she has a folder that was titled just O, and it was a letter to Owen, which was not included in the court document for privacy reasons, obviously. But it's weird.

55:30We're going to touch up on that later. So that's theory number one. But being jealous of her own daughter, which is a very real thing that happens, there is the other theory, the second theory. This is the one that Netflix kind of drove more into, which is Cyber Munchausen by Proxy. So to give you some context, Munchausen syndrome is someone who loves to pretend to be sick, to make themselves either literally sick or pretend to be sick to get sympathy. It's giving, I'm dying, but not actually. I just like that you're nice to me when you think I'm dying and I think I look really good in a hospital gown.

56:04Munchausen by proxy is when a caretaker makes their caretaking subject, usually their child, sick. So everyone can rally around them. And this is actually a lot more dangerous because most of the time it's not pretend. Most of the time they are making their child sick and the child has no idea because the child can't lie to the doctor, so they just physically make them sick. These are the people that like to wrap their little cardigan around them and cry in the hospital waiting room. It's very terrifying. It's my poor child is sick and I'm secretly poisoning them. And now there's the online variation of it.

56:37Munchausen, where people will fake having cancer, posting literal TikToks of them getting chemotherapy, setting up GoFundMe means only for everyone to find out that they don't have any sort of terminal illness at all. They are healthy as a horse. Then you have this case, Cyber Munchausen by proxy. Lauren is getting bullied, cyber stalked, harassed, bullied. She is a victim. And Kendra is her poor sympathetic mother trying to fight for justice to make sure her daughter is okay. That is the theory. I mean, there have been reports of people making fake accounts to bully themselves for sympathy. There have been other reports of people making fake accounts To bully their friends Okay, so this is where it gets weird There have been reports of person A making a fake account To bully their best friend online Person B And then it's like an anonymous hater And then person A switches back to their real account And defends their best friend Oh To drive their best friend closer to them

57:33I know I was I was down a rabbit hole looking into this because I was like cyber munchausen by proxy How does that even work? Wow, that's fascinating. So now Kendra is a woman who cyberbullies her daughter so that she can feel needed. That is the theory out there on why Kendra did all of this. Kendra's cousin says, you know, Kendra has been always an attention seeker, but when it comes down to it, she's always a good person. Maybe this is her way of making Lauren need her. You know, you do as a teenager need your mom, but not in that way. Lauren would come home upset about these text messages and Kendra got to play the hero and be there for her.

58:07The superintendent of the school states, she wanted her daughter to need her in such a way that she was willing to hurt her. And this is the way she chose to do that versus physically trying to make her ill, which is typical Munchausen behavior. It is not acceptable, but I think a lot of people have accepted it because it's just more digestible to think of it like that of, oh, okay, a mom who wants her daughter to need her seems a little bit more maternal and acceptable than, no, she literally hates her daughter, I think. because I don't know why so many people are running with this theory. I think there is maybe a little bit of this, but I don't think so.

58:41Yeah, I don't think so. I mean, I think the one thing I'm like, okay, I could see that is she does use it as the whole purpose of her life. I feel like, okay, if she wants to do that, I would say, wouldn't she do it even more publicly on platforms, on blogs, like just hating on the daughter? Yeah, make like a Gossip Girl bully blog or something. So then the whole freaking, make it more public maybe. But this is like very personal. She's like directly going after the daughter's insecurities. Yeah, it's weird. And Kendra, she does make this whole thing her personality. She'll go to the school every day to talk about it.

59:21Someone gives her a suggestion of like, why don't you get her a new phone number? She'll ignore it, come back the next day, talk about it all over again. School members say, I mean, you got Kendra and then you got Owen's mom, Jill. going to the school every day, just bitching at Dan, who's the principal. They're demanding that they go through kids' phones, but luckily the superintendent is like, hey, are you insane? You're not going to go through kids' phones. Like, we're not going to have interrogations in the basketball team. Side note, some of the sympathy farming, if you will, is weird. Kendra will take screenshots of the unknown sender texting her own daughter to self-exit, send it to Lauren's classmates, or sometimes even call them, to which a few of Lauren's classmates are actually very stressed out about this and they feel like now every texter call from Kendra is going to be the one where they are told that Lauren is gone because that's how concerned they are.

1:00:09One classmate says, how much can a little girl take? So people are saying that Jill, who is Owen's mom, is trying to get to the bottom of this. Every time she's talking to the principal, she's trying to implement new things to figure out who the texter is. Meanwhile, Kendra is just like sobbing. She's trying to get thoughts and prayers and a freaking casserole. That's the vibe, which I don't know but a lot of the documentary runs with this theory Kendra again says that's not why she says I'm not jealous of my daughter this is also not why she said that she wanted to protect her daughter she says when I was 17 I was r-worded and as my daughter was hitting those teenagers I got scared I got very scared I didn't want her to go through the process that I'd gone through and I think that really led me to not knowing how to handle things right it was hard because I was reliving what I had been through but also at the same time wanting to protect her i wanted to try to like control the outcome of her journey i was afraid of letting her grow up some right wanting to protect her and keep her safe and keep her close and scared to let her grow up because scared of what could happen to her a lot of people are like what are you talking about yeah what are you talking about a lot of netizens are confused why netflix didn't push back on kendra's excuse side note another text in the court docs we found was lauren texting i don't understand any of this but it's becoming very hurtful and honestly i'll do anything for you to stop and leave our lives alone neither of us did anything to anyone to deserve this and honestly it just makes me very sad kendra unknown sender responds shut the fuck up owen fucking hates you and he could care less about how your ugly anorexic bitch ass feels give up on him and yourself you're worthless bitch you fucking lost we will see when you get caught and i hope you know our lives and feelings are not a game at all and it's sad you act like you're proud of this and I might be worthless or whatever you're calling me but you're not worth my time so please just stop.

1:02:00Kendra just responds, you're fucking jealous, give up and we won. Owen fucking picks us and you fucking worthless trash to him. One netizen comments, I think she texted her daughter hurtful things. She was projecting her own insecurities onto her daughter. The mother felt worthless losing her jobs and probably felt like self-exiting so she texted her daughter to hurt herself and maybe she was jealous that her daughter was having happy teenage years, carefree teenage years while she was not. Then there is another theory in the documentary that's touched up on for like two seconds, which is Kendra was obsessed with Owen.

1:02:33So like the jealousy of her daughter is stemming from the fact that she's jealous that her daughter is dating Owen. Kendra wants a 13 year old boy is the theory. And it mainly comes from Owen's mom stating that she believes Kendra was obsessed. Kendra's own text messages, a lot of them do come off very strangely. So one text message reads, you will never take him away from me. You will never win when it comes to him. I will always win and I have always and will always be more important to him. Owen loves me and I will always be the girl he loves. You will not come into his life and take him away from me.

1:03:09That will not happen. You are a bitch and I want you out of his life. He will always be with me while your lonely, ugly ass is alone. Owen and I need each other. Sorry, not sorry. Lauren responds, I'm sorry you feel it's okay to say stuff. And if it makes you feel better about yourself, then good for you. I don't care what you say. Owen and I are solid and you're not going to break us up. The response later to that is, this phone number is no longer in service. Because she likes to change her phone number a lot. And so it just feels like, it feels like targeted towards Lauren, yes. but it does feel weirdly obsessive with Owen.

1:03:44Another text reads, You are worthless and mean nothing. You never have. Get a fucking life out of here. Owen will never look at you again or talk to you. You fucked up his life so bad. His family fucking hates you for it and he will never in his life acknowledge you again. Get the fuck lost, bitch. He is fucking done with you. You embarrass him for real. He picks us over you every day at school. He always has and always will. LOL, he hates you. You embarrass him. Make him miserable facts. He avoids your sorry ass all day. You see him pick us over you for real. Your worst girlfriend. he wants zero with your sorry ugly anorexic ass just feels like some sort of unhinged weird obsession a lot of people say that it just feels like jealousy in the purest form aimed towards owen saying things like he wants sex bjs and making out again this is sent from a middle-aged woman to a 13 year old boy and to her own daughter you don't give it up he cheated on your ass for more she's an ugly anorexic bitch and sucks at everything ain't no one like her she up on your boys don't talk to her basically accusing lauren of talking to owen's friends oh and you fucking promise do not talk to her she fucking ain't worth it people argue online that whether it was jealousy towards her own daughter munchausen by proxy cyber munchausen by proxy whatever you want to call it none of these text messages are appropriate to write to 13 year olds and you can't really write it some netizens are arguing without feeling something towards that boy it's just kind of incomprehensible right yeah like these messages are really alarming to say yeah towards about a 13 year old boy yeah so yeah another message reads owen loves me and i will always be the girl he loves he will be with me while your lonely ugly ass is alone in the documentary kendra says he liked you know talking about lauren and owen they liked a lot of the same stuff you know a lot of the sports they went trick-or-treating together little things like that how can you say they like trick-or-treating recognize how young they are and still text things like this further proof that netizens feel show that kendra was obsessed with owen is all of the text messages seem to center around them breaking up breaking up the golden couple because owen likes us more than lauren quote we will win well kendra does win because lauren and owen end up breaking up owen says we were on facetime and i told her it was just too much it's clear the texter wanted them to break up owen says maybe if we give them what they want and they stop maybe one day we can try again do you like just in the midst yeah in the midst and he thought it was going to get better because that was the whole point of all these messages is for them to break up but it doesn't get better because months later he goes to an away game and he meets this girl from a neighboring city like two hours away they're not officially dating they're just talking but then he wakes up to a text from her um my mom just got a random text from someone oh and it's like here we go again it's the same format same words telling the girl from pinconning to back off of me because i'm theirs the texter went out of their way to find her mom's phone number that lives in pinconning i just felt like i couldn't do anything about it i had no wait wait it's texting the girl's mom Yeah, this like random girl's mom.

1:06:57But not texting the girl or Owen? No. What? I just felt like I couldn't do anything about it. I had no freedom. I felt like I couldn't date anyone because I was putting them in danger. And I just didn't want them to go through the same thing that Lauren went through. It would eat me alive each and every day. I feel like I was losing trust in everyone. In a text thread, the girl is asking him, you know who it is? No. My mom just got another text this morning. I'm really sorry. Owen states, So me and the girl from Pinconning ended up breaking up because of this. Furthermore, there's an anonymous tip that gets sent in accusing Lauren of bullying Owen that is sent in by Kendra herself.

1:07:35It feels like in some respects, she's competing with her own daughter and all these other girls for this 13-year-old boy. When they were dating, you know, Kendra would go out of her way to go on these dates with Lauren and Owen to take pictures of them. She signed up to coach Owen's track team. She wanted to become his quote second mom. She went out of her way to drive Lauren three hours to watch one of Owen's championship games. And there had been this huge tournament in Florida for Owen. Kendra thought, why don't we turn it into a whole Licari family vacation? To which Jill, Owen's mom, gently told her, maybe not.

1:08:13But now in hindsight, it just seems strange. Because even after the breakup, Kendra is attending games that Lauren is not going to. sitting right next to Owen's mom, Jill. Owen's mom, Jill says, I think she became obsessed with Owen, which is hard being a mom and that she's a grown woman. But I think there was some level of relationship that she wanted to have with Owen that obviously is not acceptable at her age. If you looked at the way she treated him, how she glorified him, how she would go out of her way to do anything and everything for him and just be noticed by him, she would just randomly text him and try to keep a connection with him.

1:08:46She came to all his sporting events, even after Lauren and him broke up. This is weird. Owen says it felt like she was attracted to me. She was super friendly, super like, here, I'll get this for you. I'll go do this for you. You know, it just it just wasn't like it wasn't like it was my girlfriend's mom. It felt like it was something more. She would do things for me. She would cut my own steak for me. It was just to the point where it was just like almost too weird. When the police show up with a search warrant for Kendra's devices, they straight up ask Kendra, Is there an infatuation there with Owen?

1:09:20And she says, no, nothing like that. Hmm. How do you feel? Does it feel weird? Feels weird. Now, need I remind you? She is also texting. Hi, Lauren. Owen is breaking up with you. My fucking tits in his face, making him horny, make it cream. So one person also states that they saw Kendra take Lauren's phone. This is like another student at the school. They saw Kendra take Lauren's phone, read through Lauren's messages with Owen, and then proceed to text him back, I love you, pretending to be Lauren. What? Regardless, when Kendra is confronted, Officer Maine tells her, okay, just like, tell me, you know, did he treat Lauren bad?

1:10:01Was it an infatuation? I mean, because it went on for a while. And she says, um. What does that mean? She just won't respond. It seems like she's just looking for the best way to come off as least unhinged as possible.

1:10:27She says it didn't start that way. I'm sure it didn't. I don't even know. So they were dating and then they broke up. So how did it really start? Why did it start during when they were both dating? I did. Was he treating you bad? But it, like, it didn't, the first ones didn't start, like, with me. Okay. I will say that. Those ones were, like, random or whatever. So somebody else started those you don't know? Yeah, but then I, like, fed off of it some. I get it. Was it because they broke out? No. What's going on? Like, she just won't. Yeah. What? One court document states the following, Repeatedly, Ms.

1:11:14Licari called her own daughter terrible names and suggested that Owen was interested in other girls and that she could never please him the way he wanted. The sexually suggested text and repeated messages calling her ugly, anorexic, and worthless all seemed to be designed to cause mental anguish to Lauren and break up the teen's relationship. Truly, I have no clue how she wasn't charged with some sort of sexual crime against a minor. In one message from the court doc, She messages them about how she sits next to them in science class and they talk about fingering and jerking. Sorry, not sorry.

1:11:49Yeah. So what did she get charged with? Stalking a minor and obstruction of justice. Oh, that's it? Yeah. This is, all of this is just considered stalking a minor. Yeah. Is it concluded? Is there more, is there sentencing or? Yes. So she pled guilty. She actually had like five different counts, but she pled guilty to two counts of stalking a minor. And she did ultimately receive just 19 months, which is like nothing. But I think there was an argument of there was no crime, a sexual crime, because there was no trying to set up. She didn't send any lewd photos. She didn't try to ask for photos. She didn't try to solicit a minor to meet with her to conduct some sort of illegal activity.

1:12:38I still don't understand how this doesn't count as sexual harassment at the very least of a minor. But yeah, I mean, she just has a sick obsession with the word creamy cream cream. And sometimes she will literally just text cream. And then another one in caps cream. And another message. Remember when he used to touch my leg? He'd be touching more now. He always pick me, bitch. Bedroom pics coming, bitch. Be jealous. Bitchy hitting for pussy now, LMFAO. But then in comes a new theory. So after watching the documentary, some people feel that Jill, Owen's mother, was the target. And not as in Kendra wants her or maybe wants to be accepted by her, wants to be taken in as a best friend by Owen's mom.

1:13:23Owen's parents have the life that it appears Kendra really wanted. Kendra really wanted that quintessential small town popular parents lifestyle storyline. Owen's dad was the star outfielder for baseball at Beale City High School. Jill was a Beale City cheerleader. Jill says in another report that Kendra always talked about Lauren and Owen like they were going to be together forever. So the theory being she wanted the kids to get married just so she could have a good standing in the community as one of the popular parents. Owen starts pulling away because of these text messages. This is like a few weeks before they break up.

1:13:57And he's just saying it's hard to be with someone after all of that. Meanwhile, Kendra really wants them to stay together because Kendra is texting Lauren in the gym. So they're in the gym together and Kendra is texting Lauren. Lauren is not sitting next to Owen. They're on rocky footing and she's texting her daughter, sit next to him, answer me, come here now. I'm pissed. Move your ass now Now I'm fuming Pissed off This is fucking ridiculous Answer me and move your ass What is happening? So she did all of that to break them up Yeah, so that's why some people are like It doesn't make sense And like, it's complicated There is a cut article that focuses on this The Netflix documentary focuses more on Cyber Munchausen And then the court documents is like a blend of everything So it's like when you just have one piece of the media When you just watch the documentary or you just read the cut article, it all seems like, oh no, it was because of this.

1:14:52It was because of this. But then when you put it all together, it's like, she's crazy. So what did the cut article focus on? Well, they're providing these text messages. I mean, they didn't really expand more on it, but it just, maybe it seems like that's the reason. Maybe if she thought Lauren and Owen got married, she would be connected to one of the more popular families in Beale City. Or maybe she knows that now she is going to be more distanced from Owen. True. Right? They've broken up. There's no reason for her to be hanging out with Owen now. Yeah. But the text messages are weird. And even after the breakup, Kendra goes to sit with Jill at Owen's games.

1:15:34And Jill would be on the phone with Kendra even after the breakup because they're just trying to get to the bottom of who is sending all these messages. and Kendra was more occupied with the idea of the kids getting back together. She would be talking to Jill like, Oh, and only broke up with her because of the text messages, right? Some text messages after the breakup from the unknown sender read, He wants a real girl with a body and about getting down. He's done with goody-goody that ain't given it up. He's on to better. Some netizens are theorizing that maybe she is bullying her own daughter to push her to do more so that they can stay together.

1:16:10That is so sick and twisted. I feel like every theory is more sick and twisted than the last. Wow. In the documentary, Kendra also talks about Jill like they're best friends. Kendra says, Jill and I spoke about it. When we were together, we could just talk about anything, share things. Kind of like, feel like a support there. And there are constant messages from the unknown sender, oddly stating that Owen's family loves her more than Lauren, which again is odd. One text reads, girl, please, you can't stop us. And we as mom's faves. She all about us. She loves us. Sorry, not you. Owen messaging us right now Another one pulled from the court doc reads we know who his mom wants him with.

1:16:47It's clear get on facebook and you'll see Another one what the fuck be with his mom at the game for real. He don't want you near his family Whatever they like me not you. He is over your sorry ass. Stay the fuck away Told me told you before you never take my place. He fucking hates you It's weird We fucking talk every day. You fucking suck. I'm better and give him what he fucking wants leave him and his family the fuck alone. So maybe there's like a yearning of a sense of belonging with Jill, Owen's mom. They're fighting this bad guy together, bringing them closer, bringing their kids together was maybe what she thought she was doing, pushing the two families to be trauma bonded together and nobody else can understand them.

1:17:26Nobody else knows what they're going through. Nobody else can understand and stick together type of mentality. One portion of the court doc reads, to date, we are left to speculate the motive for this crime, but it appears that the goal was simply to cause mental torture to her daughter and then be there to support her in her time of need. It should not be overlooked that Miss Licari may have had an unhealthy infatuation with Owen that caused her to create a rift in their relationship. People are confused. Then we just have the pure chaos theory. She just gives the energy that she wants to sow absolute chaos and be the center of attention is how some netizens feel.

1:18:02For over a year, Kendra is playing Sherlock Holmes, Scooby-Doo, Criminal Minds, except it's her own brain scan. Dan Boyer, the principal of the high school, he thought he was going to figure it out. He thought he was going to crack the freaking code. But it just, I mean, Kendra would come in. She would be so upset every single day, talking to parents, talking to Dan. She would frame the other kids. Also, another thing, I don't know how anybody thought that this was a teenager texting them because the way that the text messages, it was just grammatically atrocious to the point where it is clearly an adult trying to be a 13-year-old.

1:18:39Eventually, Kendra just like drops the G to everything and everything becomes everything, playing, nothing, which is somewhat more acceptable. But then she even drops it for leggings, which now become leggings, leggings. Stop wearing leggings. There's just no way that a teenager is texting like this. And the fact that all the administrators and even the sheriff later is going to think that it's a teenager is crazy. Kendra at this point has been let go from her job. She has been lying to Sean, her husband. She's been lying to Lauren about having a job, spending eight hours a day doing this and then showing up to the school every day, demanding answers, pointing fingers, just mayhem.

1:19:21This woman is a menace and she's complaining. She complains in the Netflix documentary. She says, we were hoping for some type of action, right? So we really thought the school would you know kind of let's see what we can do unfortunately in my opinion i don't think the school handled things very well ma 'am you're the one sending the messages why are you commenting on the investigation into you eventually the local sheriff's office decides that they are going to try and get to the bottom of this case and they go about it for a year in the most bizarre fashion officer sheriff main is like sheriff main is like i got it the messages start around halloween Who was hosting the Halloween party?

1:19:59Chloe Wilson You know what Chloe Wilson, a lot of the kids said? She likes to use the word bruh A lot of the text messages say bruh Her dad's a cop Her mom is a popular mom at the school And this is like the popular family So is it Chloe? Now it does appear in the documentary That Chloe has a bit of a reputation as a mean girl Some say that she is the mean girl of the school Others say that she's just popular and confident and has leadership qualities. And just to give you an idea, Chloe has two best friends, Sophie and Macy. They are like the trio. Lauren's not really part of this group and all three of them are close with Owen.

1:20:40But there were allegations that Chloe and her friends threw carrots at a girl named Adriana, who also happens to be Owen's cousin. To which Chloe's mom says, you know, there were just multiple allegations against Chloe where she was bullying or she wasn't being nice to this person. The principal called Chloe in constantly and she's like, I'm not doing anything. Her dad, Mr. Cop Wilson, says she was a leader at the time. She had a huge friend group. It spanned to several other schools, you know? So I think that to some people, I'm not going to say they were offended by that, but maybe they wanted that sort of thing for themselves.

1:21:12A lot of people don't like this family after the documentary. And I don't know. I think it's bad to say whether we like or dislike Chloe. I think it's hard to say and she's in such formative years of her life but the parents definitely give off mean energy yeah a lot of netizens have been commenting yeah the girls definitely threw the carrots for sure but she, Chloe, has known Owen since they were younger and they've always had this on and off crush situation both of them kind of had crushes on each other but never ended up dating the reason a lot of people thought it was her at first is because she seemed really jealous of Owen's relationship with Lauren Sophie says about Chloe and Owen They weren't I don't know how to explain their relationship They were a little bit more than friends They kind of always liked each other Owen and Chloe became like really good friends And then he started dating Lauren Is what Sophie says Even Owen admits Lauren and Chloe never got along Chloe wasn't the nicest person She's not a bully But she wasn't a nice person by any means And I think she had some She said some things to Lauren That just made Lauren not like her Lauren says Chloe always had a crush on Owen I think she would always just go and talk to him just to make me jealous I don't like her because I feel like we just had two completely different vibes we played basketball together and we just didn't match each other so when the unknown sender starts intentionally texting about Lauren's bad basketball games and taunting her about her scores it feels like it might be Chloe who's very competitive on the team and then there's a message where the unknown sender is like you scored basically no points I scored 12, loser Kendra is the volunteer scorekeeper at the games She helps Lauren look up who on the team scored 12 points And what do you know The only person that scored 12 points that night was Chloe Wow, she's framing Kendra is framing Chloe Wow Wow Kendra's framing Chloe Chloe's getting investigated by Officer Main Her friends are investigating her Chloe's so fed up She ends up giving her phone to Owen for the day She's like, take my phone, take my freaking phone.

1:23:19And if you get text messages, then it's not from me. And then there's no message. There's no messages coming in. Oh, OK. Yeah. I was thinking the mom found out, then she would be like, I'm not texting. No. So there's no messages. And then even after all of that, nobody believes Chloe. So then her dad, who happens to be a cop, is like, hey, just get your phone extracted. Like do a phone poll, right? do a full digital extraction of your phone, which will show when you delete things like house long to die in cold, it'll show you all those things. What apps you've used, hidden, stuff like that, all of that.

1:23:54I'll allow it. So then they do it and there's nothing. And Chloe's parents have been adamant until the very, since the beginning that it was not their daughter. They even text the sheriff personally. Honestly, Mike, I don't know if you know Kendra or not, but you really need to be cautious. There's a pretty good part of me that thinks that she may be very well doing this. This is what Chloe's dad texts Officer Maine in the beginning of the investigation. Kendra is doing it? Yeah. Even in the court documents we received in the interview notes, the officer writes about Chloe's dad. Have you looked at Kendra Licari as a possible suspect?

1:24:30She has had some issues in the past with Chloe. She used to coach Chloe. Chloe got bumped up and Kendra was very upset about it. What does that mean, bumped up? I guess on the team. Like she was doing better on the team and Kendra was getting very upset about it. And if there's one thing Kendra's going to do, it's just too much. Wait, how did the dad know? So the dad, Chloe's dad kind of knew from the get-go, but nobody else hadn't believed it.

1:25:02After Chloe gives an extraction of her phone, another message comes in. bitches i talked police yesterday then fucking kept my phone fucking searched it copied it found nothing bad yeah still doing it yeah and then a picture of chloe and owen hanging out is sent and then girls be spending night shit real bitch cream i don't know what that means but it got to the point where everyone realized there's just no way that it's chloe which is how owen's own cousin is the next to be accused because she is one of the few people that would dislike Chloe enough to frame her for this. She is the one that alleged Chloe and her friends threw carrots at her.

1:25:42Adriana says nervously they had their group and if you weren't part of their group you were considered what I call the outsiders and if you were an outsider they weren't nice to you. Sophie says when we were in middle school Adriana made up this rumor that we bullied her and that we threw carrots at her. There's no one else that would dislike us that much to make it sound like we were bullying someone else. Meanwhile, Chloe's parents state, you know, parents were involved making Facebook posts. Adriana's mom was saying like, you know, I'm on a victim. I'm a victim, you know, that kind of journey.

1:26:12So my finger is pointing towards Adriana. That's what I think it is. So they either think it's Kendra or Adriana. And most people are leaning towards Adriana because they're like, oh, well, she's probably trying to get back at Chloe. Okay. So that's interesting. So you're saying at this point, there are already fingers pointing at Kendra. Yes. Okay. That's also another thing so in the documentary it seems like a lot of people didn't even suspect kendra right but then in a lot of different articles around that time when it actually happened a lot of sources are saying a lot of the parents in town suspected kendra because of the way she was behaving okay and and she's still going on with her texts even though people are already coming up okay wow and additionally there is a picture sent by the unknown sender that of a gift that someone had taken at a Christmas gathering, which only Owen and his extended family would have been able to get.

1:27:05I don't know how Kendra got that photo, but she did. So that's why Adriana was suspected for a really long time, which I'm imagining naturally put a divide into Owen's family. Adriana says, I just didn't know how people thought that I could do it. It was just very hurtful because I was the quiet kid at school. Like I didn't really talk to anybody. I wronged nobody. I was just kind of confused as why they thought I would do that. Yeah. Walking into class after being questioned by Sheriff Main, everybody was looking at me like they knew what happened. They were looking at me like they knew I was guilty.

1:27:35Kendra is just ruining everybody's lives at this point. At one point, people start suspecting Lauren, and Kendra is feeding that on too. She's submitting anonymous tips onto OK2Say, which is like an anonymous tip site for high schools, and basically saying, yeah, I think Lauren could be trying to get this, doing this for attention. To herself. Basically. One part of the court document reads At numerous stages of the commission of this crime Ms. Licari had an opportunity to simply quit But instead she continued to harass the victim Further inject herself into the case By attempting to thwart the police investigation With false leads and deceitful information She broke up a group of friends For seemingly no reason other than Personal gratification And Kendra pretends Oh Kendra texts With another new number Okay Pretending to be a friend of Chloe okay and text lauren and owen quote i don't know either of you that well i got your numbers from a friend i know the people messaging you i reported it to okay to say i was with one of them while they were doing it i hope reporting it helps i recommend being very careful they were lying and from what i learned putting on a very good act it makes me sick to my stomach to know that they're proud of breaking you guys up i don't want to be friends with anyone who does this and i'm going to distance myself from those relationships i'm just going to leave it to volleyball only which chloe and sophie and macy are all part of the volleyball team i talked to my parents we made the decision to report through okay to say and if needed they will call the school you both seem very nice hope this helps yo she is sick and twisted there are so many layers to this and all i have to say is like kendra genuinely terrifies me and at one point she straight up Just text Bruh The UP blue ice Is shit UP being an area In Michigan Where Chloe was For winter break And then immediately Text back Wrong person Sorry It's winter break Chloe is in UP Everybody knows she's there She texts After like Sorry not sorry You look ugly In leggings Bruh The UP blue ice And shit Like she's on vacation Yeah And then immediately Wrong person Sorry

1:29:51or maybe she was just trying to frame them because in the full body cam footage that we received i did see some part that was interesting kendra's explaining that she sent the messages because quote lauren struggled with a group of kids at school for a long time and she was having a really hard because they were targeting her in a sense and they were trying to come in between them and do all this stuff. So that's just very interesting. Now, Sean LaCarre, Lauren's dad, was just not having a good day that day. He found out that day that not only is his wife, the mother of his child, the one sending these messages, but she hasn't had a job in over a year.

1:30:31And she has been lying to him about all of that. All of it. Do we see his reaction? Yeah. And he's upset. He's trying to confront her like you need to tell me now in front of the cops because if they leave and i'm talking to you like one of us is gonna get arrested and then no one can take care of lord he's like what the hell are you saying you haven't had a job and at one point she says that she quit from a job recently but it was she was let go like a year ago but so he's upset with that obviously because she's lying but is he upset about the daughter situation a lot of people were upset with sean about it because in the body cam footage, it seems like he's more fixated on the job thing.

1:31:08I will say, though, I think a lot of it probably has to do with the fact that the job thing is something that he can actually express anger about. It's something I think is more manageable in his mind to showcase his anger because it seems like Sean is a really good support system for Lauren. Afterwards, he does divorce Kendra immediately. But I think the text message thing is so shocking. I don't even think he can wrap his mind around it to even ask her the right questions or any questions. Are you telling me the truth? Are you lying? No. When did you go from there? No, same time. So you've been lying to me for like six months, a year, and you haven't been working for Texas?

1:31:51Right. So I think he starts with the job thing. I also wonder if there's more to the job thing because in one of the other articles, it was talking about how, and this wasn't in the documentary. So it's just kind of like piecing together all the things. It was talking about how a lot of people that worked with Sean knew that something was off with Kendra. Because Sean would come into the auto body shop, he's a mechanic, and he would talk about how, well, they're getting evicted because they were scammed by some person in New Mexico. and he believes all of it and all the co-workers are like so they're like financially stranded for a year yes and kendra is making up all sorts of crazy lies oh her check bounced for the kid something because um she had someone hack her and sean just believes it and i wonder if it got to the point where he confronted kendra and kendra got mad at him and he's defending kendra i don't know i don't know but he he's i i think netizens are being hard on him and lauren based off of this body cam footage lauren yeah because she doesn't really show much emotion and that even caused people to accuse her of being part of it how old was she then 15 i think first of all i think the language that the officer gave was so vague and i think the officer said it in such a way where it was almost too sympathetic to Kendra for Lauren to have.

1:33:18I think it just, I wouldn't know how to respond to that. It's just a weird conversation. And then it's shock to be like, oh, it's your mom who's been telling you to self-exit for two years straight and talking about how Kareem and your 13-year-old boyfriend who broke up with you and broke your heart. Like it's weird. And then additionally, I also think that she kind of keeps looking at Kendra frequently. And I wonder if you grow up with a parent like that you're constantly gauging their reactions and then trying to even subconsciously react in a way that you think that they will not have such a big reaction towards your reaction.

1:33:56Yeah, yeah, yeah. I see the complication of the emotions. The mom's super manipulative and yeah. Because even at the end, Sean is like, you're gonna go. You're gonna call your parents and you're gonna go. And Kendra is like on top of Lauren is like, no, I can't leave her. And he's like, no, you're gonna go. yeah

1:34:21now the last theory is very dark and I don't think it's a big big theory but there are people who believe and speculate and are concerned stating they felt like it's crazy how this went on for so long and they believe that Lauren was likely in a lot more danger than people are leading on they suspect that Kendra wanted Lauren to self-exit so that she could trauma bond with Owen and his family and get the town's sympathy, as well as unload financial burdens and perhaps even her jealousy against Lauren. Netizens point out the messages of like, you done, he fucking hates you. He said he regrets you.

1:34:58You were a mistake. He said you never meant anything to him and his life would be better if you were dead. Just the constant focusing on being dead is just a lot. Jill, Owen's mom says at one point, her and Kendra had gone in to talk to the sheriff. And the sheriff is like, well, are you scared that your children are going to self-harm? Because these are the messages that they're getting. I mean, primarily Lauren. And Kendra is quiet to the point where Jill responds. The answer is yes, Kendra. We are afraid Lauren could hurt herself. Kendra says in the Netflix documentary, because she's asked, were you afraid she was going to hurt herself?

1:35:32Because there were messages telling her to self-exit. So I can say that I was not scared of her hurting herself. and I know some people may question that or diminish that or whatever but I know Lauren and I know the conversations that her and I have but if you didn't know her as well as I did it might be different it sounded like she's trying to give herself grace of like oh that's why I sent it because I know nothing's going to happen to her this was not in the documentary but some more messages in the court doc read choke on more pills we could care less Owen promised we won't get in trouble fuck off, take more pills.

1:36:11No one cares about your anorexic, ugly, worthless bitch. She fucking shouldn't have showed her face today, her fucking fault for being here. Let's fucking go do this shit. Finish the weak ass bitch. Hate the motherfucking bitch. Destroy, wreck, finish her tomorrow. Fucking beat you, bitch. We finish it. What the fuck? We said show you, bitch. Fucking be gone. Make our lives better. Bitch, fuck you, motherfucker. You fucking know what the fuck went down we ain't fucking lying we fucking hung this weekend motherfucking she a weak ass pussy bitch need a fucking beat out of her his fucking sister say you a pit full like pitiful bitch ain't got no friends and a lot of people also point to the fact that she texts this early on before she's sending all of these like self-exit messages she sends one and then 30 minutes later she takes it back she says sorry i shouldn't say dead that was too far because in previous messages she was saying like he wants you dead we all want you dead uh-huh and then she takes sorry i shouldn't say dead that was too far so it just feels like and then a few months later she's like full-on like get be gone it just feels like you have to put you you're not just texting these things as like oh that sounds like bullying because if you're saying sorry like dead was too far it sounds like you mean a lot of the things you're saying yeah others are saying well i mean you spent two years bullying your own daughter with her biggest insecurities how do you not think that they're not going to self-exit one netizen theory states kendra wanted lauren to self-exit so she didn't have to do anything even though she's speaking in third person on those text messages she meant everything is my theory she wanted her daughter gone others are speculating it's because Kendra is not from the area.

1:37:59Sean is. She marries Sean, but she doesn't really have a good standing in the area. She's not really a popular parent. And maybe she wanted to fit in and get sympathy and do all of these things if Lauren was gone. It just appears that Kendra has no remorse. Even during the initial search warrant where there's body cam footage, she lies about not having two phones. It's actually Sean who outs her and is like, did you get all of her devices? because she's got another phone and it's like hidden outside the house in a in a little like wooden box you're kidding me so sean always knew she got two phones yeah he thought it was a work phone but now he was like putting it together like oh well you gotta make sure you get all her phones because i thought it was a work phone but if you're telling me she's not even working then i don't know what that phone is basically where was the phone it was hidden outside near the side of the house like wedged in between wooden blocks they just follow her out and then And she dug it out?

1:38:55No, they were like, tell us where it is. And they were telling her in the body cam footage, hey, so you need to tell us where all your devices are. We don't want to, but we will flip this house upside down and look for every single one unless you just tell us. So she tells them. And about that day, Kendra will later tell Netflix, it was a very high emotional day in our house. A day of confusion, unknown answers, shock. A day of not knowing how we move forward to the next day. So it was a hard day. But at the same time, it was an end. I think it was more of a mistake. It took me out of real life in a sense, even though it was real life.

1:39:32So when I was doing that, I wasn't myself. It removed me from everyday life. Just kept going and going, you know? Wow. That's a way to describe it. Yeah. Lauren says, I think the shock feeling turned into sad, which turned into mad, which turned into crazy. I didn't even know how to describe the feeling. Why would mom do this? Like, did she really have to do this? Like, I can't believe it, honestly. I was just really confused. She told me to self-exit. It makes me feel a little bit sad. Like, why is my own mom telling me to do that? I've, like, talked to her about it, but not necessarily, like, why did you tell me to self-exit?

1:40:09I still question it every day. Like, I still don't know why. The documentary director is later interviewed by Variety, and they state, Kendra is a little bit of an enigma. I think that she had a lot of time to think about what she did. She was in therapy when she was incarcerated. And I believe that she's still seeing a therapist. She had put thought into what she did. I don't know that she's fully recognized or realized what it was that she did or why she did it. I guess only Kendra could answer that. They're asked by Variety. I would never want to show my face again if I were her. Why do you think that she sat down for your cameras?

1:40:42She was nervous about going on camera because just sitting down and telling your story is a nerve-wracking thing sometimes. But she was so great. and she actually ended up really loving the experience. At the end of it, she said it was kind of fun. She laughed about things and I think it was really an opportunity for her to think about things a little more in depth. Every time I would ask a question, she would really have to think about some things and I think that was really good for her. To which one netizen comments, I'm sure she genuinely thinks the documentary is about her. Her eyes were excited during the whole documentary.

1:41:14Yeah. Which is interesting because the reporter from Cut, who did like a think piece on this case, reached out to Kendra while she was in jail. And Kendra's response to her was, I do ask that you truly think about the kids that are involved in this situation. Kind of rich coming from Kendra. Including my daughter who is trying to move forward and has a bright future ahead of herself. These stories are doing additional harm to her. I can handle the pain, but she cannot and does not deserve it. She is moving forward with life and doesn't deserve to be put in the spotlight anymore or having people thinking her mom is a villain as that is hard mentally and emotionally for her.

1:41:52They will never change. No. Yeah. Sean has been going through it. The officer said Sean was just like a broken person. Sean says, I'm like, are you for real? I said, this is my fucking wife doing this. I just can't believe she would do something like that to her own daughter that supposedly she loved dearly. You know, a 14 to 15 year old girl, you know, it just makes me sick. She stabbed me in the heart, shot me in the heart and threw it away. Netflix interviews Lauren twice. So they interview her while her mom is serving her sentence 19 months in jail. And Lauren is telling them, not having a relationship with my mom, I just don't feel like myself.

1:42:36I feel like I really need her in my life. I know my dad's angry and probably like never going to forgive her. but I just kind of put that aside and just have the relationship with my mom that I want. The director asks, do you think people judge you for missing your mom? I think some people might have their own opinions on it, but honestly, I would say I don't really care. But when they come back a year later after Kendra has been released, Lauren is forbidden from seeing Kendra during her, I think it's because of her probation, but Lauren says that she's approaching it with caution. So it seems like she's actually more hesitant now.

1:43:11So maybe that time was good to process everything that's been going on. But the judge in Kendra's case states, to be candid, you know, this was truly a horrible case. It's the kind of case that makes me glad that when I'm done with my term next year, I'm retiring. Kendra is driving your honor up the fucking wall with this one. To have a judge that oversees criminal cases excited to retire because of what you've done, I mean, that's got to be as far as you can get. The judge goes on a rant about the internet telling the courtroom all the communication on the internet just horrible people Just horrible people.

1:43:46They will hide their identity and they'll act in a horrible manner Sometimes you see the worst in human nature because people they realize they can say whatever they want on the internet Kendra states very vaguely that she's embarrassed She's sorry and this and that and her attorney is saying that it's all because of the trauma of being r-worded when she was 17 And she is reliving it now that lauren is approaching that age and it's just it's a mess the judge says i'm empathetic to your mental health issues i received the psychiatric evaluation this morning when i read the pre-sentence report i wasn't getting any sense of why this occurred normally you know acting as a judge when i'm dealing with a criminal defendant i know why they're doing what they do you know people addicted to drugs they possess drugs they use drugs people that are thieves they steal it's not right but you can kind of understand, you know, why a person is in front of me.

1:44:35This case is inexplicable. I read the psychiatric evaluation today. That gives me a little more insight on why you did it. But you know, it doesn't excuse what you did. And you know, because you know that because you just told me that basically saying like, I kind of get it, but not really. Even after reading your psyche eval, I don't get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Even Owen is like, I, how could a mom do such a thing? It's just crazy that someone that close could do something like that. Not even just to me, but but also to her own daughter. What else has Owen and Jill, like his mom, like everybody said about when they found out?

1:45:10They said that they were just shocked. Yeah, Jill like told the FBI agent, no, it's not Kendra. There's no way it's Kendra. No way. And then it was Kendra and she was pissed because like the act of Kendra every day for years going and trying to act like, trying to find, let's all sleuth together. Let's find who's harassing our kids. Meanwhile, it's her. And Jill took it really hard. There would be days, there was one time Jill was talking about where Owen came into Jill's room and he was so distraught. He tells his mom, it's your duty as my mom to protect me and find out who's doing this to me and you're not doing that.

1:45:47And she was so frustrated. She's like breaking down crying. There are emails. Kendra is writing emails to Lauren when she was in jail, prison. And they read, hello, curly monkey head. I'm mad at you. You made me sad. You only said bye. You didn't say I love you, but I forgive you. XOXOXOXO. I love you. Have a fina-westric day. It's a combination of fantastic, awesome, and terrific. Another one reads, good morning, beautiful daughter. I miss you like crazy. You are the brightest light in the universe, sending butterfly kisses. Call you tonight. I love you. Love, love, love, love, love, love you.

1:46:26Now that she's out since August 2024, or Lauren has not seen her mom. She says, I think I want to trust her now, but I don't know if I can now that she's out. I just want her to get the help that she needs so when we do see each other, it doesn't go back to the old ways and how it was before. Being without that relationship, I think, is really hurting me. I think rebuilding our relationship will help both of us a lot. Kendra says, even though she hasn't seen Lauren, we both know that we're with each other no matter what. I definitely think that we can have a healthy relationship. I know that we both hold that bond that we have very close There is another part of the documentary that is under fire near the end Chloe's parents are sitting at a table and they say well Chloe's mom says I told someone else That sean and lauren are going to play this off like they were the victim in this shit They had no clue what was going on and they're going to get away with it because mike main didn't do his fucking job and investigate them And that's exactly what happened so she's accusing Sean and Lauren of being a part of this what yeah to which netizens are on the sentiment of Chloe's mom is saying cruel things about Lauren and her father who have literally lost everything saying they're playing victims no ma 'am they are victims and it's so desperately tragic I feel so bad for both of them so they're saying yeah we also feel bad for Chloe but like you can't just say stuff like that furthermore Chloe's mom apparently last Halloween dressed dressed up as a scarecrow in a prison jumpsuit with a mask of Kendra's mug shot and had a bunch of fake cell phones taped to her hands.

1:48:01Netizens naturally had a field day with that, with some writing, the scarecrow thing is demented. Who mocks an absolute horrific tragedy of abuse and mental illness like that? Chloe's mom and the other moms are just as bad, in my opinion. To which someone responds, Kendra told her own daughter to self-exit. In no way are the other moms just as bad for a tasteless joke. Chloe was also a victim here. an adult woman tried to frame her for harassment and cyberbullying, I give her mom some leeway. But another comment reads, what stuck out to me in the documentary was the Wilsons. Chloe's family, all three of them.

1:48:31The not my kid attitude when clearly their daughter was a mean girl. Again, I have no opinion on Chloe and I don't think we should. We really don't know much about Chloe, but I will say her parents are kind of conducting themselves in a strange way, at least in the documentary another comment reads my heart aches for lauren and her dad sean owen and his cousin adriana owen's parents seem like good people but poor lauren chloe and her parents give off real bully vibes and kendra is just bad shit crazy everybody needs to get out of that small town that's the moral of the story is what the comment is saying some people have thoughts about owen owen says in the documentary that i haven't talked to lauren since a very long time ago yeah I was mad at Lauren I don't think I'll talk to her in the future some people are really upset with him for that saying that why is he upset with Lauren when she's also a victim I think it comes down to when it came down to Kendra's sentencing Lauren and her family were well Lauren was very supportive of Kendra and Owen and his family clearly wanted Kendra to have a longer prison sentence so I think it put them at odds and I'm sure it's really complicated and some people are just confused like how is kendra not exhausted after lying like this for two years and that is the case of kendra lakari and all of the things that maybe were not in the documentary or didn't deep dive in the documentary as well although i will say it's a pretty well done documentary i really yeah you should watch it but what are your thoughts on it let me know in the comments stay safe and I will see you in the next one