Teen Boy Mutilates 2 Girls & Throws One Of Their Heads Into The Street In FRONT Of Her Mom

26:20He starts dismembering her. I did come across supposed pictures of how her body was found on the wall. it is burned into my brain the only way i can describe it so i can hopefully prevent you from trying to see what this picture is the only way i can describe it is have you ever seen a butcher work no what does that mean but if a butcher has like a large piece of meat they'll usually um section they'll do section by section so they'll like section it into three big pieces stack them onto the side and then they'll probably take one of the three pieces and then cut it into smaller pieces yeah it almost looks like that first step he essentially cut her into a few large pieces and then stacked her body parts on the railing side like a butcher on the railing yeah like for people to see yes you cut stack cut stack and then maybe you would bring certain pieces to work it looks like that there is a belief online that the reason there's a belief that the reason that it was the dismembered parts were put on the railing is because he was going to attach them to himself he actually was going to suspend himself and not fall off the ledge but that rope didn't end up working and it is believed the rope was attached to her body parts so the idea would be he would fall and then the body parts would slam into him later it's like a weird I guess it's for a more horrific graphic show Sami ends up tying it to Iqbal's body allegedly with the sick intention that he's going to fall, be suspended for a little bit and then fall and then her body parts will fall on him I guess as people are trying to get him down her body parts would oh you're saying he would tie rope one end to himself, the other end to the body parts judging by some parts of the crime scene photos i can't find clear indication that's the case but it could be very well i mean i can't 100 tell you with certainty that i saw them tied on the body parts but it does seem like something he would do before he falls off the ledge he waits until iqbal's mom so he picks up iqbal's mom's call and is like your daughter is in good hands now throws the phone off the wall iqbal's mom keeps blowing up her phone a random man picks up and is like oh i don't know i was just walking by i heard the phone ring in the grass but you're saying at this point nobody has noticed that this what's going on up here and then iqbal's mom comes and he tosses her head off the wall onto the pavement below iqbal's dad would later say we walked towards it and that's when i saw my daughter's head semi places her other body parts on the wall.

29:09People are now looking upward and they see and then he's also on the railing watching everyone and eventually he steps forward. Like it's pretty instant to know what happened. Iqbal's parents are there. They're explaining that Sami has been stalking Iqbal for years now. He's killed her. Now he's self-exited at the same time. Police get a call from another that another body has been found in Sami's bedroom. 19 year old girlfriend Aisha Noor. All three bodies are taken to the morgue and the police start searching Sami Chalik's room. At this point I think they're just looking for lots of things. Are there other bodies that just haven't been found yet?

29:40Are there more victims? Did anybody else help him? They grab his laptop that his dad is now, now telling them after two girls are killed that he's very weird about his laptop. Yeah. I mean, a little too late now, but nevertheless, they grabbed the laptop. The police go through his journals, notebooks, and they find this very specific drawing. Semi has lots of bizarre drawings that again, his dad now wants to tell the police about, but this one in particular, the police, they're, they're into this one. It's a sketch done by a pencil of a dismembered woman. If you're not a fan of graphic details, please skip ahead because I'm going to describe it to you.

30:14The body has been cut at the hips. So severed at the hips. Now you just have the torso and the bottom part is inverted. So instead of your feet being at the bottom, the feet are now rammed into the torso. Okay. So the feet are into the stomach technically or where the thighs usually connect right and now the thighs are where the feet are okay upside down yes the bottom half yes the head has been severed and placed at the calves so right where the thighs should be but now it's the calves because it's inverted in between just resting on top okay and the arms have been cut at the shoulders and have been shoved into the neck and so they're kind of sticking out that's a drawing but the police write in their reports that the crime scene it quote it's been understood that the method of killing of iqbal is similar to the drawing drawn by the suspect i couldn't see it from the crime scene photos that i've seen i can only see from one angle and trust me that was like i'm not looking for more.

31:30I didn't even know that that was going to pop up from, it was, it's a very intense picture. It has been singed into my brain and I wish I could go back in time and not click on it. I will say this is something weird that is not very relevant, but my researchers and I were talking about it, how it's interesting because this is pure psychoanalyzation. I probably shouldn't even be doing this, but one thing that we analyzed in our own reactions of these uncensored photos and videos is that for one, when we first see it, there's initial like, oh my gosh, I shouldn't be seeing this. But then once it clicks, there's like nothing for like 10 minutes.

32:07It's like our brains cannot comprehend it. It's almost like our brain is like, it feels like CGI. It feels like a weird movie that you saw with editing. And then your brain eventually catches up. And it was almost like 10 minutes after we closed those tabs that were like, okay, I kind of want to throw up. But we've already moved on. We're doing a different, we're looking into something else about this case. It was so weird. It was just so strange. The reaction of that was bizarre. Nevertheless, the police go through his things. They find his drawings. They grab his computer and they start interviewing the neighbors.

32:40Now, side note, there's this interesting moment where his neighbor talks in an interview, not a police interview, but one neighbor states, I saw him that day. Yeah, I saw him. If the timelines are correct, this would have been right after he kills Aisha Noor, but before he goes to meet and kill iqbal this is likely the first time that he's killed someone and the neighbor just hears this out like bah that's what it sounded like like is that from him or from the girlfriend from him seems like he's panicked she goes outside and he's just standing there in the hallway just like frozen in place trembling she says when i looked at him he was pale he didn't say anything he just sat there on the bench outside for 20 minutes i was wondering what happened.

33:19I thought, should I call his mom? I didn't call his mom, but he's there for like 20 minutes. People believe, some people interpret this as he was in shock that he killed his girlfriend, but a lot of people interpret this, no. He is in shock and he's mourning that he's probably not going to get away with it and that he's going to have to follow through on his plan of self-exiting. So it seemed more so a moment of mourning for his own life for 20 minutes. The police talk to the neighbors and they also find a book of interest, various books of interest, including the translated version of Ragdoll by Daniel Cole, a lot of persuasion, psychology persuasion books.

33:54Some netizens have pulled up another quote from the Ragdoll book that reads, any coward can fight a battle when he's sure of winning, but give me the man who has the pluck to fight when he's sure of losing. So people have been using this in relation to the fact that he went after girls that were, he had already disarmed around him. You know, okay, his girlfriend is not on high alert when she's around him. And then Iqbal, he has been stalking her and tormenting her psychologically and forces her to meet up with him by threatening her. So people are saying this is such a coward's crime. And then to self-exit is another cowardly thing that he did in this situation.

34:36These are the details that we initially know about this case. The belief being, okay, stalker kills his victim and then self-exits. But why did he kill his girlfriend? Some people have mixed feelings about it. Was it an instance of, if I can't have you, nobody can? Did he plan to kill others? Was it practice before he kills his victim, like stalker victim? Nobody really can agree on that first part. But then a tweet starts gaining traction. Everybody's talking about decoding the message. People in the comments are like, what message? The message left at the walls. There was something spray painted on the walls.

35:11People are like, what? One tweet in particular gets shared countless times and it reads, the boxes are obsessed with you. And it's under the seal of Lucifer, like the logo of Lucifer, if you will. But the boxes, they read Kutu. What does that even mean? I mean, the original poster continues. The Kutu cult. It's a satanic cult. Basically, what happens is at the place of the walls, they find all of these graffiti markings. and one of them has the seal of Lucifer and the words, the boxes are obsessed with you. And this tweet goes viral and they're insinuating that Semichelic is the one that drew these little symbols and drew these words.

35:50And they say that the Kutu cult is a satanic cult. This was a ritual. Do we know if that is actually him who graffiti those signs and words? No. He's not? No. But it just happened to be at the walls where all the crimes took place. Well, a lot of the crimes took place. And so people start connecting all of these together and they start effectively, collectively losing their minds on Twitter. I can't find any evidence of a larger or even a smaller existing cult that goes by Kutu. Like if you have small comments here and there, but if they do exist, it's such a niche small group that I don't really know if it's applicable, but I guess it sounds culty enough.

36:31so people just start running with this as if this is a largely established satanic cult. Writing things like Kutu Satanist groups consist of small communities. These groups organize secret rituals using mystical rituals and symbols to attract young people. It's been suggested that the rituals of these groups contain murder and violent practices. So they're saying this is par for the course for a cult like this. Another netizen states, all of them were Satanists. iqbal and semi killed a cat together both girls iqbal and aisha noor were members of the same cult the cult headquarters is near where they live all the police need to do is pull iqbal's whatsapp records and they will know everything but that's the thing about conspiracies the more you look for evidence the more the believers will just like add to the conspiracy you're digging you're trying to find evidence that this conspiracy is real that there's fact-based evidence involved but all you get are people adding to the story of the conspiracy it's like adding layers of the cake without even knowing what the ingredients are people are saying well that doesn't make sense then why wouldn't turkish mainstream media sources start relaying this information that this was a satanic ritual well law enforcement and media figures are trying to cover up the satanism aspect because they're afraid of the possibility of inspiring and encouraging more Satanist attacks.

37:51The only evidence of the conspiracy is there were allegedly a few Satan-esque images spray-painted and drawn near Semichellic's house and at the walls. That's about it. Which, even that's unclear, since neighbors don't recall ever seeing such a thing. If anything, it's more likely that this guy and maybe even some other teenagers in the neighborhood are pseudo-Satanist. which are just people who use satanic symbols but don't really consider themselves satanists they think it's edgy they think it's cool they think it looks dark and moody they're like they like the inverted pentagram they think it's scary spooky so it seems like that the seal of lucifer itself i mean i guess objectively it looks cool but that doesn't stop people from peddling this conspiracy people start coming out and giving interviews there was one anonymous person who gives an interview and says, I'm a Satanist and Semi Chalik was a well-known figure in our community.

38:47Again, there's no evidence of that so far. And stating ominously things like, Satanists believe that after death, they will serve as a demon torture in the depths of hell. Death is an honor in service to Satan. There's also a belief that Semi killed these girls because he believed he could create his own hell and he would need to kill them in order to take them to hell with him. I do get the reasoning behind the conspiracy though Sami dismembered Iqbal in such a grotesque way That it does make the most sense that it would have been for some sort of sick ritual But that does not seem to be the case here So then what is it?

39:26One neighbor remembers Sami Chalik and he says The guy is strange There's no way to put it, you know There's no way to make it pretty and flowery He was just obsessed with Iqbal for five years Since he was like 14 years old in order to try and impress her. He would try to make Iqbal jealous by being with other girls. He would come and go with all of his girlfriends. But other than that, he was an introverted kid. He didn't like making contact with anyone. He was like a misanthrop. Basically, he hated humans. He barely greeted anyone. Another neighbor in his 70s, he says, I have seen him many times, but I've only ever seen him.

40:05I've never spoken to him. We never shared a greeting, never a hi hello nothing this is the type of neighborhood where everybody knows everybody but nobody knew him one neighbor is pointing at the bench like this is where he would sit and he would have his headphones and he would smoke if we pass by him he just like looks at you he doesn't say hello no greeting nothing someone who hates people it's not the same as like oh i'm not a very social person oh i'm introverted i prefer to spend time alone it's different from that these types of people, they think humanity is despicable. And so that was the second thought.

40:42After Satanism, people are like, maybe he killed because he just thinks humanity is so vile and corrupt and he being one of them. And he's just playing into these, I guess, natural ways of humans to find evil and corruption. It's like a complete condemning of the moral character of humankind. They're just not cynical. They genuinely believe that humanity is fundamentally evil, that all humans are scum. So at first there were debates of that. But then when police go through his devices, they realize, no, that's not the case here. He doesn't hate humans. He just hates women. He is an incel. Wow.

41:20Turkish police start combing through Sami's laptop and discover that he's part of multiple Discord servers where incels do incel things. They talk in dreadful length about anti-feminism and how modern relationship dynamics will be the end of the nuclear family unit, which will inevitably lead to the demise of Western civilization as we know it until we can get back to the baseline fundamental root cause where the bare minimum is chaining women up and using them for the only thing that they're good for, which is populating the planet. That is the type of incel groups that he was part of on Discord.

41:55Side note, incels think that women are too dramatic, but the call is like coming from inside their mom's basement. But like, what do I know? I'm just a female using her mouth for everything, but it's original intended use because these incel groups after seeing the news about what Semi Chalik did they start commenting on the murders people are these incels are commenting if anyone feels sorry for these whores leave discord immediately another one reads now I would want to take a drill to the severed head and do oh my god another says I can't even think about that cold corpse just the thought of slowly r-wording a shriveled corpse is exciting another comments the more i argue with women the more i realize that women have no brains if he had any common sense he would have just essayed the girl instead of killing her another one reads if he had any more sense he would have just effed that dry cold corpse he killed then another person comments to that thread saying no if he essayed her the girl would have fainted from the pleasure of it all it's better that she was killed These are crazy At this point Once these incel groups Are exposed on Twitter By the Turkish media People on Twitter Start going crazy They want to hunt down These incels by themselves And these incels are They see it They see it on Twitter And they're commenting on Discord There is a dirty witch hunt On Twitter They are exposing the incels And those who made fun Of the incident Should I give Our Discord server away Via DM Will the traffic increase One person responds Don't do it king Wait are they English speaking No, these are all translated.

43:31Like Turkish, what is it? Incels are everywhere. Turkish Discord, yeah. And Twitter, yes. But the, oh, Twitter is also the, okay, got it. Yeah, yeah. Now, October 5th, 2024. So the next day, Turkey publicly announces a nationwide online surveillance. They're like, hey, we're going to be freaking watching you guys on Discord. Within 24 hours? Yes. This is happening? Yes. All over the, wow. Because incels on Discord, they're like, we're going to do the same thing. We should all take after Sami Celik and do it. I think a good chunk of them are not serious. They have, I mean, they're in their mom's basement doing nothing with their lives.

44:08But obviously, law enforcement, government entities, they're concerned. Netizens in Turkey decide, okay, well, we might as well hunt down these in cells that are agreeing with and basically praising Sami. I think everyone was expecting to find a bunch of unfortunate, non-contributing members of society who want to appear edgy with hot takes. Like they're probably smelly and their keyboards are sticky. Like that's about it. That's what Turkish netizens think they're going to end up finding. Because even on Twitter, they're like, yeah, nationwide surveillance online. Great. But most of these incels are just keyboard stompers.

44:44They're like writing things about women. They don't even have the balls to talk to like a female barista. They're not going to go replicate Semmy's crimes. Not that incels are okay, but they just don't know if it's that serious at first. They're just reading some of the most brain-dead think pieces. People are like, I mean, are you sure that they're going to do something? So one reads, to humanity, women should not have the right to choose who they mate with and reproduce with. This choice should be made by rational men with common sense. If women continue to have this right, they will hinder the progress of the human race by mating with corrupt men and producing stupid, corrupt offspring.

45:24This will cause humanity to become more corrupt with each generation just because of sex. Women have more power over society than they deserve. There is no creature more evil and corrupt than the human female. Women are like the plague. They do not deserve to have any rights. Women are bastards. I will spend my life defending this sentence. I don't believe that a woman has a right to live. I wouldn't slap a woman because I don't want my hand to touch the skin of that foolish gender's shitty skin. But if someone else is inflicting violence on women, I would support it. Ha, by the way, I'm not gay.

46:00Love that. Okay. But if I had to choose between the two, I would choose man because women are worthless. No matter what you say, this new generation of women are nothing but whores. They get effed in the ass every day and smell of farts. A 19-year-old wife bastard is always less valuable than a 19-year-old man. Men always have value. these think pieces start complaining that girls like Aishanor and Iqbal were probably nothing but whores who slept with at least three men a day now mind you and I I'm not someone that graduated from college but these two girls they were in college Semi had recently left his butchering job so he was unemployed he was living mooching off of his parents he had no direction in life which is fine to be lost but like it's weird that these people are using that against them like oh they're in college sleeping with college boys it's so strange there is no proof of that by the way they deserved what they got meanwhile semi died even though he's just a hard-working butcher trying to earn a living i can't even take this guy seriously especially because he's making tweets from his own personal account and not even a throwaway so he probably does get arrested for inciting violence against women and he's kicked out of his university wait yeah they tried they found this person because of this case yes what yeah but i mean women are brainless right that is interesting yeah wow they should do more of this i didn't know they could just like boom find you in discord too i thought they were really hard to track down he was like tweeting disc wording all with his like full government name he did not care and he thinks women are brainless now i will say i don't know if without the crime if it would be considered inciting violence but i think it was because he was using that crime and then coupling it with saying these types of things and then encouraging people it made it incitement of violence it's also very dramatic and cringe and an uncomfortable monologue that only sounds good in their little minds that's crazy so his face and everything's out there yes you saw it yeah he was actually taken into custody at the university and there's pictures of that too incredible so citizens in turkey think this is the extent of the incel groups that semi celic was part of and it's not just netizens journalists were also going into the depths of the discord servers that have some of these discord servers and i love discord but some of those servers they have never seen a speck of sunshine in their existence like i don't know who are frequenting these discord servers but they are just it's bad and they come across as they go deeper into this incel discord server rabbit hole they come across turkey's version of the anthrooms because of sami celik's case the police and turkish netizens so it almost became like a hunting party turkish netizens are like yeah let's fucking go on discord and hunt down these incels.

49:04These incels start leading them to other Discord servers that eventually leads them to Turkey's version of the Anthrooms. An entire syndicate of Discord servers, some connected by some of the same users, others are connected by the same revolting taste for torture.

49:30A lot of these groups would start on Discord bridge over to telegram and it's a c sam child abuse ring it genuinely is the turkish anthrams there's also an american version that we are working on a case for but there's also a german version an italian version a brazilian version it's never ending yeah chinese version i mean it's people in turkey find out a lot of the same people that semi is on discord servers with are also parts of groups referred to as 901 the american version is called 764 and i'm going to cover it probably in like a week but they have branches and people have spun off creating their own servers and a lot of it is like international because I guess evil knows no boundaries.

50:13The premise is you blackmail young Turkish girls into self-injuring on camera and making CSAM. One journalist uncovers a discord video from one of those groups and they write they made a 12 year old girl pour perfume on her private parts and then light it on fire this is another level of perversion they are threatening and harming children authorities have launched an investigation into these individuals anyone who has experienced this type of abuse can contact me this is what the journalist is tweeting not a single one of those responsible should be released anyone with even the slightest information should share it via message your reports are very important in that discord video you can also hear other members just giggling while the victim is panicking trying to put out the fire and soon after semi's murders another video starts circulating of a girl sitting in a purple led lit room she's clearly using her laptop camera to film a video and she's crying on her bed she states that she has been blackmailed forced into doing some of the most depraved things by a group of online bullies the 901 there's a brief cut in the video where it's just a screenshot of her with blood near the edge of her mouth smeared on her face that video is later confirmed to be fake but the reason it's fake is crazy because you would think okay maybe someone made it to troll maybe someone made it to highlight the severity of these groups and they needed a victim's face and voice to go along with it so people take it seriously and realize that there are people that are being harmed i don't know like you would think of 20 other ones the So members...

51:43Fake meaning it's... AI. Oh, it was complete AI. But it looked real. It looked pretty real. That video was created by 901 members, which you're thinking, why would they make a video like this, right? Because it would be a way to bring more traffic to their servers and Telegram groups. Like other evil people see that and they want to see the full video, for example. because that type of video is easy to circulate on mainstream media because mainstream media is like, look, there are victims. This is a very real thing. This is a very scary thing. Meanwhile, the sick, twisted people out there watch the video through mainstream media and they're like, oh, perfect.

52:24I can go join this group to partake in my evil activities that I have always wanted an outlet for.

52:33But it also just ends up attracting a lot of angry netizens in general, which results in the discord mods just losing their absolute marbles another video starts making the rounds of a guy filming his laptop so his computer screen is open to the discord server and he's talking we provide a good service that's it you know recently we've been the subject of like 80 million people on twitter talking about us the video of the oath blows up on twitter like there were all these videos blowing up the news is so full of it the important thing for us is not to make a name for ourselves. Because he's like critiquing the other 901 members that are just trying to...

53:08Doing too much. Yeah. You guys are attracting too much attention. He's like, the goal for us is to make money. That's how we win. We are making our money by blackmailing. But apparently, a few sons of bitches are upset about that, that they even want to burn us down on Twitter. As I've said before, no one can discourage us or stop us. I always stand behind what I do. This is how I make money. This is how I look after my bread. It doesn't matter anyway. We will continue to do our job and we're having a good time too. It's like the entire internet is just combusting at this point. And then another video starts making its rounds.

53:41It includes someone cutting unknown pieces of flesh. It's unclear where the flesh comes from. And it includes a picture of two guys FaceTiming with masks on. And the journalist tweets out, the person who killed two young girls by cutting them into pieces did not commit this massacre on a spur of the moment decision. He's basically insinuating that these discord groups are getting into the minds of evil people to push them over to the edge to actually in to act on those evil thoughts and desires. So once all the Turkish netizens go through the insult discords, they find turkeys and thrums, they start looking at the government like, okay, well, are you going to do something about it?

54:21And there are a lot of unanswered questions from this case, aside from the obvious. Questions are, you would think a police press conference or mainstream media would be able to answer these questions, but like, where are Iqbal's clothes? We have to assume that the authorities took them. Maybe they gave them back to her parents. More pressing questions such as, why was there no blood on Sami's clothes? Did he take off his shirt? Is that why he was wearing a tank top? Or timeline questions, because some reports state that Sami spent a total of four hours with Iqbal, killing and dismembering her.

54:52We don't know the exact times. Some Turkish media reports states that he killed his girlfriend in his house at around 3.30pm and that Iqbal was killed around 4pm but that would be impossible because he was walking towards the walls at 2pm. It's just a lot of weird confusing things. We don't know who found Ayshanur in her in Semih's room. Was it his parents? Was it the police? Furthermore where the hell is Semih Celleck's phone? It's been revealed that it's missing. That's all we know. The last signal from his phone was traced to the walls. Police were seen going through the gaps like the small holes in the stone to see if he wedged it in there somehow, but we don't know if it's been found.

55:26Again, for criminal cases like this, those types of questions get answered and clarified. All it takes is a press conference, but that's never going to happen because Turkey declares a total media blackout with anything to do with this case, effectively censoring the press from publishing more about this incident. Why and when did they do that? A few days after. That's crazy. Turkey has been accused of media censorship for years. In 2016, there was a failed coup attempt where media outlets were shut down. Journalists were thrown in jail, subsequently put on trial. And I do want to preface this whole part by saying every country in the world has censorship, even America, just in varying degrees, obviously.

56:07So this is not to say that Turkey is the worst or the only one doing this. Clearly, that's not the case. But I think it helps provide context to why Turkish citizens were so enraged by this. In 2023, there was a massive earthquake in Turkey. People were criticizing the government and primarily the president because it's like, why did there were so many things that could have been done correctly? And Twitter was being used for people to connect with missing people. So if you were tweeting on Twitter, like, hey, I'm stuck under this rebel and I'm with my family and we don't know how to get out, like the doors won't open, people would send rescue forces to that area using Twitter.

56:45Landlines were down. People couldn't call anyone. It was really bad. The government shut Twitter down temporarily. Why? They didn't like the discourse of critiquing the government. Oh, I see. I see. I see. Even though people are using this to find family members, to find people in the disaster. So it It just, I mean, yeah. So Turkey decides they're going to have a blackout media ban on this entire case. Because people are mad that these type of crimes are happening and the government's not doing enough, right? Yes. And not only that, but there's this whole discourse around this case. And there's a pact called the Istanbul Convention.

57:27Basically, the Convention of Preventing and Combating Violence Against Women and Domestic Violence. it's a human rights treaty that outlines legal standards for participating nations to work on eradicating gender-based violence so a lot of nations come together and they're like okay we're gonna follow the rules of this treaty in all of our countries once a country agrees to the istanbul convention they're supposed to agree on the very basic beliefs that are not even in the slightest controversial or even progressive that violence against women is considered a violation of human rights, that nations must criminalize psychological violence, stalking, DVSA, and explicitly criminalize any engagement of non-consensual sexual acts.

58:08So they're saying it's not just R-word when you're fully R-wording someone. It's still, you're still essaying someone, even if you're groping them, even if you're like doing other things or forcing them to do other things. Forced marriage will be criminalized. Female mutilation of the private parts will be criminalized, forced termination of pregnancies will be criminalized, and forced sterilization will all be considered crimes for these nations. It's far from like the hottest take one could have. In fact, it borders on being dry ice because it's just not a hot take. The convention was formed in 2011, where Turkey was ironically the very first country to sign the treaty.

58:43So that's why it's called the Istanbul Convention. Istanbul is not Turkey's capital, but it's probably the most internationally well-known city in Turkey. And they signed the convention. It's open for signing. And it was actually the only year where femicides, crimes against women have decreased in Turkey. Wow. Yeah. 2021, Turkey officially withdraws from the convention. That's crazy. Why would that happen? It is crazy because the only objective of this convention is to protect women from violence. and Turkey is like, we're not going to do that anymore. The president of Turkey states though, it's not that I want women to die, basically, but I hate gay people.

59:26That's what the president says. Okay, still, I don't understand. So he, what? He attempts to say it with some eloquence, but it's just homophobia. He states the convention was sneakily trying to get countries to brainwash and normalize homosexuality to their citizens. The official statement reads along the lines of, The Istanbul Convention, originally intended to promote women's rights, has been hijacked by a group of people attempting to normalize homosexuality, which is incompatible with Turkey's social and family values. Hence the decision to withdraw. AKA, he's very upset because the convention keeps using terminology like partner instead of wife and husband.

1:00:07Bro. Which is actually more insidious when you realize what it means. So first of all, not only is it homophobic, but second of all, the term partner also protects not just queer relationships, but straight relationships prior to a marriage certificate. So instead of domestic violence being between wife and husband, which requires legal papers, it can be partner domestic violence, which means it could be a man to man, woman to woman, but it also could be boyfriend and girlfriend. Boyfriend, boyfriend, girlfriend, girlfriend. friend wow yeah is he the same president as of now or yes he's a very scary president and he was against that another aspect that he didn't like is that a new article from the istanbul convention ensured that the victim's account must be taken into consideration if someone is alleging there was a crime of dv you have to take a statement from the victim you can't say it's okay you have to the turkish president argued that women's accounts cannot be trusted in domestic violence cases and it could wrongfully accuse men wow that is so sad this wow turkey is the first and only country to withdraw from the istanbul convention it caused quite an international stir that even our then president biden had made a formal statement of like we are very disappointed what the fuck is happening i mean not that we're it's like great being a woman in america but like you get it.

1:01:34It was just bad all around. They actually make history as the first counsel of a European member to withdraw from an international human rights convention in general. Like this is unheard of. Like you don't withdraw from a human rights convention. If Turkey had still been enforcing the laws given by the Istanbul convention, Iqbal in theory could have gone to the police with that video she was sent where he was like, I wanted to kill you. And that could have done something to prevent Semih from getting anywhere near Iqbal. It could have put him under watch. It could have incarcerated him. It could have done something.

1:02:10Right, right, right. The best option being throwing him in prison, right? He just confessed to wanting to gouge out someone's eyes. But nobody does anything for Iqbal. And so this discourse becomes so big, I think Turkey just did not like it. And to add more tragic irony to all of this, Istanbul is also the same city where Semih murders Aishanur and Iqbal. So a few days later, they banned the media. Nobody's allowed to talk about this. Now, does that become a bigger problem then? Yeah, but then it gets worse. Now, I will say the Turkish president is rather intense. I'm not nearly well-versed enough or really at all in Turkish politics to say anything.

1:02:49But the only thing my Turkish researchers subtly pointed out to me is that the Turkish president started his term in 2014. His current term will not end until 2028 in 14 years, which feels awfully long, especially when you consider that the Turkish constitution states that you can only serve two five-year terms. So 10 years, but he's going to serve 14. Who knows if he's going to serve more? I mean, just to put it lightly, the math isn't mathing. But the president, after instating a media blackout, does make a statement about the case where he states, quote, in most of the incidents that have taken place in recent days that have broken our hearts as a nation, we see that both the perpetrator and the victim are young people.

1:03:32We see that sometimes the pus spreading from digital platforms, sometimes deviant movements, sometimes drug addiction, sometimes alcoholism, sometimes the mafia culture encouraged by television series, and sometimes the gaps in our execution and correctional system play a role in these sufferings. If we as a nation and state do not take steps to prevent these incidents, it is inevitable that we will face the same problems that Western countries face. We cannot leave our youth at the mercy of modern popular culture. We cannot stand by and watch our young people disappear into the dark abysses of social media and digital channels where all kinds of mischief are found.

1:04:12Our national and spiritual values, which have sustained our nation for centuries, will be our greatest supporters in this struggle. Our universities should take more responsibility in this regard and take more care of our young people entrusted in their care. Every young person we lose to terrorism, drugs, alcohol addiction, deviant movements, and criminal gangs is on all of us. I think it would be very difficult for someone to come up with a worse statement. It was just a pretty horrendous response. One of the top-like comments on that post reads, I don't understand why you're blaming it on us.

1:04:45Should the public resign? What exactly do you expect from us? another comment reads don't shift the blame to others you're the guilty and responsible party resign if you can't do it another reads chief the burden is not on me but whoever governs the country will the citizens fight against these incidents or those who govern the country don't make me a partner in your sense some people point out he's basically saying i get that girls are dying i get it but we have to save our boys from mafia culture it's what

1:05:20it has almost become routine now for a turkish woman to get signs and walk onto the streets chanting we just want to live we just want to live amnesty international secretary general states at the stroke of midnight tonight turkey turned its back on the gold standard for safety for women and girls and they point to a lot of the protests that have been happening after they pull out of the Istanbul convention and then every time there's like a high profile femicide where a woman is murdered by a man and usually it's partner related violence there will be protests it's gotten to the point where a lot of Turkish female netizens they joke that we can just reuse our signs for the next one and it's not like a joke not he he ha ha but sad there are also people that are criticizing the whole thing with the Turkish anthromes so you know how in the Korean anthromes a lot of these people will find a minor and pull them into like a romantic scam where they pretend to be in love with them and then they get some sort of picture they get their address they get their parents workplaces their schools and then they start blackmailing them into partaking in these more high stakes videos where everything just like the torture amps up and then they use that to blackmail them again and again and it continues that way the turkey anthrams have a very unique situation.

1:06:37A lot of the blackmail is random. It feels more random in the sense that, and this is another reason that people are so upset with the government, is Turkey has a government portal where every citizen has to update their personal information on there. It's pretty in-depth, which would make the perfect thing for someone to hack. And that's exactly what happens. Someone hacks the entirety of the government portal, stealing every piece of data of almost everyone in the entire country and they start selling it to whoever has five dollars five dollars on telegram and you get a boatload of citizens addresses phone numbers private medical records business records financial records you get their whole life a lot of the kids that are being tortured in the turkish anthrooms they were blackmailed by random strangers who purchased these data leaks so people did this because what they are upset with the government or they're just No, the hackers, they just want to make some money.

1:07:35And they're disgusting people. So they have to, I mean, the Turkish portal for the citizens was very low security. They didn't spend a lot of money or resources to protect their citizens' data. And so someone hacks it. They start selling it on Telegram. These bad people buy it. And they're part of these 901 groups. And they start looking for miners through these data records. And they look them up online. They find their social media handles. And then they start blackmailing them. so it seems like in the Turkish anthromes yes like all the other anthromes internationally the government plays a big role because they don't do shit in the Turkish anthromes it's an even bigger sore spot because the blackmailing is happening from a data leak that the government didn't do well to protect the citizens it's like the government plays an even bigger role so a lot of people were really upset about this which is why three days after the murders after all this discourse is taking place Istanbul convention there's a media blackout on Semih's case then people are looking at the Turkish anthroms talking about the Turkey government portal that's been hacked all of this is going down and then discord goes dark goes dark in the country of Turkey discord gets banned October 7th, 2024.

1:08:56By the government? Yes. Okay. They think that this is enough. They say this is going to solve the problem because we're just going to get rid of Discord. So we got rid of Discord because there were people doing bad things on Discord. So we're getting rid of Discord, but we're not getting rid of people who are doing bad things. We just don't know where they'll be doing it anymore. This is the incident that gets Discord banned in the entire country. And it just doesn't make sense. Banning Discord is going to do nothing but make it harder to find the people committing crimes on there. They're just going to start using VPNs.

1:09:29And also, there are terrifying groups on there. But overall, Discord is just another messaging app. A lot of people act like Discord is the dark web. Sometimes it feels like it. Sometimes Reddit feels like it too. Okay, but most people on there aren't doing anything wrong. so just to ban the entire platform is bizarre it's the concept of the electricity company wants to lower the amount of power outages they have so now when there's a power outage they don't file a formal report on the power outage technically you get less power outages but not really it's just weird you used to have 8 million registered users on discord from the country of turkey it was ranked 10th and highest in user base in the nation or in the world and now it's very difficult i mean out of the 8 million formerly registered users how many are back using a vpn and out of those that are back how many of them are doing illegal things that it's now only just going to get harder to find them and track them down is it still banned still banned discord is banned roblox is banned they briefly banned telegram after this incident but telegram came back i mean turkey does ban a lot of platforms but usually it's temporary like they've banned twitter facebook meta um youtube i think was banned at one point but it's typically temporary but there have been slow little information that some of the discord mods for these torture groups have been arrested but because they are minors their information is not public.

1:11:07Yeah. A lot of Turkish netizens have some very interesting insight about that. Because you know how a big conversation when people are minors doing terrible things is, well, they're still young. So a lot of Turkish netizens are now commenting, if these people are under 18, just put them in a bigger cell so they have room to grow. That's been like the saying of the year, it seems. And it doesn't seem like things are getting better. There have been lots of protests at Ayshanur's university, but also at the walls where a lot of the crime takes place. And while locals are gathering and protesting the government, just demanding basic human rights for women, during the two days of protest, six more women are murdered by men.

1:11:53Some men in Turkey were initially upset. Like everywhere, they always get upset about how it's not all men. just because there's one sick-minded butcher out there doesn't mean that there's a nationwide problem. And then six more women are murdered by men during the protest, which, I mean, did kind of shut these men up. During the protest? Not at the protest, but during the two days, six more women are murdered. And I believe like 50 % of the femicides that happen in Turkey, it's from their romantic partners. And a lot of the signs read, protect your daughters and it's scratched out and it just reads educate your sons underneath meanwhile semi's parents are just pissing everyone off even more they do an interview after this case and this is before like the major media ban but they do an interview where semi's dad and semi's mom basically blame iqbal's parents and they say hey you know how messed up our son was mentally but you still like didn't move out of the city like you didn't do anything like you know that our son was not well up here.

1:12:58See, that's what I was thinking. Yeah. The whole time is there's no way if he started stalking at 14 years old, what is the, what are the parents doing? Like if it was a known thing for that many years by that many people, what are the parents doing? Okay. A lot of neighbors were talking about it. They say that they hear the dad screaming at Sammy and Sammy screaming back at the dad. So it seems like that was the thing. They also say the dad is like not involved in the neighborhood you think just semi is not social with the neighbors his dad is not social either then the mom at one point semi had thrown something onto the balcony of one of the neighbors like trash and she thought it was rude and he's a kid so she calls semi's mom and is like hey your son is kind of fucking crazy let me tell you what happened and the mom just has this very bland blunt like okay well then you should probably just report it it's like okay if you got a problem with it call the cops and she's like no i'm calling you because i'm not trying to call the cops on your son it's just like she's like okay well then go file a complaint and just hangs up yeah that makes sense they it's crazy how they proudly state everything wrong with their son like in the interviews they're stating how yeah he was drawing alarming things he was obsessed with his butchering knives he was obsessed with his computer we could never see what was on his computer he just had lots of issues he was hospitalized five times in the last year oh the school would call and say that semi should not be hanging out with their kids because the kids parents are noticing shifts in their attitude like he's just a really bad influence but it's ikbal's parents that are the problem because if they knew she was being stalked by someone as crazy as our son they should have taken better precautions for their own daughter did they have any signs of like remorse guilt sadness in fact an a neighbor was interviewed and said that Semih's parents were very angry after this incident.

1:14:52So whether they were angry... Because they're the victims now. Yeah. People are blaming them. Whether it's that or whether it's the fact that they're angry at their son, but they can't take it out on him because he's gone or they're angry at the world who took away their son. It's just a weird emotion regardless. I mean, there's no way to spin it where it's a rightful emotion. Also, they use Iqbal's own mental health against her because at one point, Iqbal was contemplating self-exiting. And so now Sami's parents are almost trying to hint to citizens that perhaps she begged him to murder her because she didn't want to self-exit.

1:15:36Ain't no way. They say that on TV? Like, it's an article, but it's the insinuation. It's not like straight up, we think, But it's more like, well, they were planning on self exiting together at one point very early on in their friendship because they were friends at the same school before. Hey, you're crazy. We got to stop this friendship. And then her parents moved schools for her. He keeps stalking her. And October 2024. So this happens on the 4th, like the beginning of October. That month, the rest of October is actually the highest number of record breaking femicides in a single month in Turkey.

1:16:1448 recorded femicides in one month and those are just the recorded ones there are a lot of suspicious deaths um this is actually very fascinating and i really want to dive deep into this but there are lots of suspicious deaths all around the world where they are not considered femicides but they are women falling from tall buildings usually their residences and they're reported as self-exits. But there is this phenomenon and belief that they are not self-exits, whether it's physical pushing or whether it be psychologically to the point where they are pushed. But lots of scholars and people who are experts in this, they say, we actually don't know how many of those could be femicides.

1:17:09That makes sense. adding another layer of complexity to things a lot of politicians were in attendance to both Aisha Noor and Iqbal's funerals and it's just a very odd juxtaposition Aisha Noor's mother could barely stand she's holding on to her daughter's coffin refusing to let go and you just there's a video at the funeral and you barely see her being able to hold herself up anymore and she just looks exhausted. She's sitting while the men are standing in tight formation, just almost acting like a wall for Aishanur's mother and they're saying their prayers in unison. Meanwhile, politicians are showing up and they're telling Aishanur's mother that they're taking it very seriously.

1:17:51The sentiment amongst locals being, okay, well, you should have taken it seriously before. Like, we don't need your thoughts and prayers now. Iqbal's funeral took place on the same day and Iqbal's father was on his knees or in a folded chair most of the time. he could only stand for the prayers. He would alternate between staring like he's zoning out to screaming and crying for his daughter and at the very end Iqbal's little brother who kept his composure for majority of the funeral throws himself onto the coffin and he's just crying like give my sister back and all the men in the crowd get up to carry her casket above their heads singing a prayer in unison.

1:18:32Meanwhile it was initially announced that Sami's funeral had been canceled for obvious security reasons but it's later revealed that that was just a mislead from authorities to deter any trouble or confrontations his funeral was carried out only three people were in attendance his name is not written on his grave and netizens comment i wish they would just tear him to the pieces and throw him into a pit people are upset that he's occupying occupying a place in a cemetery people are also upset that he's not cremated so turkey Turkey is a predominantly Muslim country. And for a lot of Muslims, cremation is not good because you're burning your body.

1:19:11And it's like a very religious sentiment. And so a lot of people on Turkish social media, they're saying we need to burn him. We need to burn him. We need to cremate his body, which I will say like the RM team and I, we were like a little confused of it doesn't seem like the harshest insult to give someone because a lot of people in the US are cremated. but they were explaining it actually is a very grave thing that you just don't say to people to cremate their bodies and so with that that is the case of what happened in turkey october 4th 2024 have you guys heard about this case because i did get emails about this case and it took a long time to get all of the research together because there was just such limited information but what are your thoughts and if you're from Turkey I really want to know your thoughts and be safe and I'll see you in the next one