Teen Girl MISSING On Cruise FOUND Under MATTRESS & Main Suspect Is 16 Yr Old “Obsessed” Step Brother

27:18And just to clarify, not all of them live in the same house. When you're talking about who lives in the same house, you've got Chris Kepner, the dad, Chantel, the new stepmom. And because remember Tabitha gets custody of the two minor kids? Chris just has Anna full time. And then Chantel, 18-year-old Andrew is with her ex. So she's got two minor kids, the stepson and the stepdaughter, 16-year-old, nine-year-old. So it's the three of them living under one roof, the three kids. But it's a three bedroom house. Chris and Chantel, they get a room. Chantel's 16 year old son gets a room. And Chantel's nine year old daughter gets a room.

27:51So that's three for three. And 18 year old Anna is left sleeping in the dining room. She has partitioned it off a little bit to make it a little bit cozier. But it is a dining room at the end of the day. I thought it was going to be more of a dining room. Like, you know how if it's sectioned off with walls on each side and maybe there's an opening into the kitchen. But no, it's like right next to the kitchen. It's more so like a breakfast nook. so in another TikTok you know you see bits of this dining room set up room set up but you have a lot of TikToks that Anna had posted where it does seem like and this is obviously speculation but it does appear that perhaps Anna really was excited to get to the house soon she was set to graduate high school in May of 2026 so she's six months away from graduating she wants to enlist in the navy she's already taken a military enlistment test she wants to join the navy become a canine officer and there seems to be a lot of tension i don't know who the tension is directed towards there are some reports that she didn't like her new stepmom chantelle that she was complaining like these are essentially strangers that moved into our house i don't know these people and now i just have to act like she's my new stepmom there is that sort of energy that's a report somewhere yeah that is like a basically hearsay report and then there are tiktoks that she herself has posted where she expresses a lot of disappointment towards her biological mom for not being in her life and towards ex-boyfriends but also just life in general.

29:11in one tiktok it's just a photo slide of three pictures and the first one says a glow stick has to break before it can glow. you swipe. so i broke. swipe. and now i'm wondering if i'll ever be able to glow again. another one with the caption reads having a good heart will only get you hurt in this generation. so it seems like it is going through a lot. some people categorize it as teenage angst but i will say i think the people around her the adults in her life are pretty shit people and that's not an implication of guilt i just i personally think that they're not great really yeah november 17th 2025 over a week after the cruise ship docks in port miami a post starts circulating on x it's from a man named martin and martin writes i need everybody's help on this if you haven't heard this story then you've been living under a rock this is my niece anna keppner She was 18 and was on a cruise ship with her dad, stepmom, and the family members.

30:03I cannot stay silent about this matter any longer. The stepmom's son killed her, stuffed her naked beaten body in a sheet, and stuffed her under a bed and covered her with life jackets, then slept on the bed like nothing happened. He told his mom when no one could find Anna on the ship, so yes, they know who did this, and it sickens me that the father, Chris, remains silent about it. Please pass this on till maybe it gets to somebody that can do something about it. If nothing is done, it will all come out on the 20th. At least that's what the stepmom has said after threatening family. If they talk before, they're gonna be banned from the funeral, the remembrance of life for Anna.

30:37Please pass this so my family can get closure and the people who did this and lied and stalled to tell the rest of us what happened when it did. Now you just look guilty of a coverup. Martin Donahue is not just a random nobody. Martin Donahue is Tabitha's brother. And Tabitha was Anna's stepmom from when Anna was three years old to 16 years old. I mean, she's been like the primary mother figure in Anna's life. I couldn't find any post of Anna talking about her stepmom specifically or what their relationship was like. But it seems like nothing alarming or contentious about it. I mean, they share half siblings.

31:09Anna shares half siblings that are Tabitha's kids. And she loves her half siblings. So it seems like they had a healthy relationship. And this is Tabitha's brother saying something's going on. My niece was killed and her own biological father is being silent about it. At this point, isn't the police investigating? Yes. So what is he, you know? I think right when the cruise ship docked and FBI showed up to the ship, a lot of Anna's close immediate family members, they were posting like very vague statements of Anna's passing, just talking about how she will be remembered, how she was Anna Banana, how she was bubbly and wanted to be a canine officer and always loved Georgia Bulldogs and wanted to go to UGA.

31:49It was unclear what it is. She's from Atlanta? No, so she's actually from Florida, but she's a huge dogs fan. Yeah, apparently. But it's just, he's saying it's weird because all these people are making it seem like something tragic happened on the boat. When he's like, no, my niece was killed and I'm pretty sure it was her stepbrother that was on the boat with her. So nobody's like fighting for justice for Anna. Exactly. It seems like a very quiet investigation that's happening. And now this is just thrusting it into the spotlight of, okay, so she was killed. I mean, there were some reports that she was found under the mattress, so it was assumed that she had been murdered.

32:24But this is the most detailed information that has come out thus far. And there are a lot of weird things about it. Immediately after this post, like three days after, Anna's grandparents do an ABC interview. And everyone starts talking about the room arrangements. The room arrangements are very strange. There are nine members of the family joining the cruise. And you've got three rooms. So the first room, you just have the grandparents. Barbara and Jimmy or Jeffrey. He's not as important. Barbara is Mima. This is like Anna's favorite person in the world, it seems like. And she's always posting about her grandma and she calls her Mima.

32:59And Mima has been the more active one in interviews. I'm sorry. Did I miss? I don't know if I missed this, but are they? They're Chris's parents. Got it. So Chris Kepner's parents, grandma and grandpa are in one room. So that's two out of the nine family members. Now there are seven family members left. The second room, you've got Chris, Kepner, and Chantel. And then you have their two youngest daughters from separate marriages. So you've got Chris and Tabitha's 10-year-old daughter. And then you have Chantel and Thomas's 9-year-old daughter. So that's four of the nine. Now, there's only three family members left.

33:33You've got 18-year-old Anna, Chantel and Thomas's 16-year-old son, and Chris and Tabitha's 14-year-old son. So you've got Anna's 14-year-old half-brother and her 16-year-old stepbrother. The only child not included in the cruise is 18-year-old Andrew from Chantel's marriage, previous marriage, who stays with his dad. Got it. But everybody else is on this cruise. So people didn't like this room setup or? Yeah, people do not like this room setup. It's a weird, okay, I mean, when you do look into the room, it's not like they're sharing beds. The room seems like it has one bed on the ground and then two bunk beds on top So these cruise ships they they pack people into these rooms So you've got one bed where it seems like anna probably slept in that bed and then two of the pullman bunks It seems like both the boys slept in that one the 14 year old half brother and the 16 year old stepson Okay, but it's just i'm not a parent, but I probably would not do the room arrangements like that It's very weird to have an 18 year old girl and a 16 year old boy who have maybe known each other for two years Have no like blood relations staying in the same room people that is very odd because okay Anna and her half-brother nobody thinks that's odd and they grew up together Whereas this boy.

34:47I mean Anna just met this boy like two years ago. Yeah, I see So there is a lot of just weird and i'm sure there are many healthy family dynamics where this could have worked out perfectly fine But clearly this was not one of them. So there's just a lot of uncomfort and a lot of people, a lot of parents have been sounding off in all the comment sections of how they personally would have handled it. And it seems like most parents are in agreement like this would have never happened in their house. You should at least have an adult in there. It almost seems like they put 18 year old Anna in there as the adult.

35:16I mean, I can get really technical with it if you're interested, because I was I was even trying to take a poll of what a lot of parents in the comments were saying. So the first one was a lot of people thought either Anna should have been placed with her grandparents. But then the problem that the Kepners would have had is that you can't put a 16-year-old and a 14-year-old boy in one room. You need to have some sort of adult. So it seems like an irresponsible choice from the adults involved. So it seems like the best solution would have been Anna to be with her grandparents. And then they should have figured something out with the two teenage boys.

35:50And then the second option would have been that Anna gets her own room. And then maybe the boys are with the grandparents. And then the third option that I saw pulled a lot was like, you just, if you're taking nine people on a cruise and you're budgeting, you just have to split up. So they were saying you should put Chris Kepner, the dad, with the two boys. And then you should put Chantel with the two young girls, maybe Anna. And then the grandparents can get their own room. But it just seems like maybe Chris and Chantel were very, maybe selfish about the room organization. It was just a weird room organization.

36:21No parent really thinks that this was okay. I see. Yeah, I think the only parents I see in the comments that are saying, oh, this is perfectly fine, they seem to be from a much older generation. I don't know how that affects it, but it's very interesting. Now, even Anna's own grandma states to ABC, whatever happened in that room, the only person responsible is the person that was in the room with Anna. According to Anna's death certificate, Anna Kepner died by mechanical asphyxia by another person. It has been widely reported that she appears to have been held in a bar hold. And this is even reported by her grandmother.

36:51This is her theory and hypothesis of how Anna was killed. There were reportedly bruises on the side of Anna's neck. And a bar hold, if you're unfamiliar, is when someone wraps and holds your neck in the crook of their elbow. Anna's grandparents are stating that she was not found beaten. There were bruises on her neck from the asphyxiation. But, you know, it's not like Martin Donahue's ex post where it says that she was beaten up. There was evidence of essay and all of these other things. Anna's family is refuting that. They're saying, actually, no, there was no signs of drugs or alcohol in her system.

37:24There was no signs of essay. But yes, she was killed, basically. So it doesn't show she had been essayed on the certificate. The death certificate does not show, but this is not her autopsy. Oh, I see. Right, right, right. You're right. Anna's grandparents, who she's been really close with. I mean, they might have been some of Anna's favorite people in the entire world and more on that later. But they do an interview with ABC, like I said, days after Martin Donahue's social media post. and the grandma says she was found concealed under the bed. I was told that the room attendant pulled back the mattress and found Anna.

37:56The FBI contacted my son, Chris Kepner, and told us her cause of death was asphyxiation. They said when they took her body to the medical examiner's office, it was in perfect condition. Anna's grandparents further tell ABC News that there were no signs of SA drugs or alcohol. And as for the social media conversation of the stepbrother, the 16-year-old stepbrother being the suspect, Anna's grandparents say, I mean, he was in the room with her. He was the only one seen coming and going. So I can't accuse him because I don't know what happened in that room. But the summation would be that he did something.

38:27Anna's grandma, Barbara, says that she actually sat in on the 16-year-old stepbrother talking to the FBI agents. And he told the FBI agents he doesn't remember what happened. And here's where it gets so weird. Anna is Barbara's biological grandchild. She's known Anna since she was born. and the 16 year old stepbrother probably entered grandma's life two three years ago max but grandma believes the 16 year old stepbrother that he doesn't remember anything that's happened she believes him she says he was an emotional mess he couldn't even speak he couldn't believe what had happened she says about their relationship they were just like brother and sister he was a good student played soccer very quiet young man he had demons i think in his past that he was trying to deal with those she ends the interview with a statement i hope that we can heal whatever happened in that room the only person responsible is the person that was in the room with anna why she keeps saying that yeah i mean but she says she believes that the brother doesn't know what's going on what yeah now as for what justice looks like for her because she's asked that she says whatever the law says i'm not going to advocate for anything more or anything less and that will be for the courts to decide.

39:35A lot of netizens find it odd that the grandparents sound like they have so much sympathy for this 16 year old boy that they probably hardly know and maybe we are just evil sick people and we would want this 16 year old to be arrested but it doesn't even just seem like oh well he's 16 so we should take that into consideration but we still need absolute justice for my granddaughter. I want to know exactly what happened and why it happened and how it happened. I want to know everything and I want to make sure that society is protected from this child who could maybe be charged as an adult. It's not that energy.

40:08It's kind of weird. It's just very calm. It's almost like they're both her grandchildren by blood. Yeah. But you've only known one of them for like two years. And you also say things like he's had demons in his past that he was working through, but you also believe that he doesn't remember anything. It's just odd. She didn't say what demon? No. Okay. And then also she's like, he played soccer. He was a quiet kid. I don't know what that has to do with anything. And so netizen comments are reading they failed her too. Quote, I would be voicing negatively more about the person that killed my granddaughter.

40:35I wouldn't be saying he played soccer and he was a quiet and good kid and blah, blah, blah. Another comment reads, anybody else creeped out by this entire family? Another comment reads, he had demons in his past that he was dealing with. Why on earth would he be allowed in the same room with Anna, a teenage girl who in reality was not related to him except through marriage of her dad? What a shame for Anna. God bless her soul. Okay, so I guess my question is, there were two other people, the 16-year-old stepbrother and the 14-year-old brother. There's a hearsay statement, if you will. But he was not in the room at the time.

41:08And his grandmother ultimately states, I can't accuse him because I don't know what happened in that room. But I believe to him, that is his truth. He was an emotional mess. He couldn't even speak. He couldn't believe what had happened. To which people are commenting along the lines of, He couldn't even speak because he was traumatized or because he was exercising his right to remain silent. People also don't like the fact that the grandparents intentionally described them as being just like brother and sister, which people are saying to say that almost indicates that they were not just like brother and sister, not indicating that something nefarious was happening, but like it's a very odd thing to say.

41:42Rather than something generic like they got along well, they were adjusting well to being a blended family. They shared the same sense of humor. Chantel, the stepbrother's mom Later in a slightly unrelated court hearing She does confirm that the FBI have They believe that her 16-year-old son is a suspect In Anna's murder What does unrelated court hearing mean? Okay, we're gonna get into this whole court hearing in a second But Chantel and Thomas Hudson have three kids together Yes Andrew, 18-year-old Andrew is with Thomas Hudson Chantel had 16-year-old son and 9-year-old daughter in her care After the cruise, 16-year-old son is sent to a third party to stay with them.

42:23Nine-year-old daughter is still with Chantel. Thomas Hudson does an emergency court filing for custody over the nine-year-old daughter. He's like, oh, no, like your stepdaughter died on this cruise ship that I didn't want you guys to go on. And our son is a suspect with the Federal Bureau of Investigations. I want my nine-year-old daughter in my primary custody. So there's this emergency court filing. There's two different hearings and it just becomes half about custody, half about the cruise. That's why we're getting a lot of information about this cruise when typically the feds are very hush hush about things and they're hush hush.

42:58They haven't said anything themselves. But through a custody battle. And it's very likely that it's because the custody battle is happening in Florida that we're getting this much information. Florida has one of the more relaxed laws about family courts and custody battles being public information. So states have like different regulations for that, but Florida is a little bit more open. Wow.

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46:12But it's in this custody hearing after the cruise ship that Chantal is like, I mean, the three of them, Anna, my 16-year-old son, and Anna's 14-year-old half-brother, they're like the three amigos. That's literally her words. Three amigos. They're best friends. That is not what anybody else is saying. Anna has been pretty active on TikTok before her passing, and I think if you go through her TikTok, there's a lot of emotions that she's dealing with, and one of them is clearly about relationships, romantic relationships. One from September 4th reads, She isn't trying to argue. She isn't trying to be sensitive.

46:45She isn't trying to overthink. She doesn't mean to blow up your phone. She doesn't mean to ask if you still love her and want to be with her still. She doesn't mean to yell. She's like that because she just wants you to see her side of things. She wants to feel loved and heard. She just wants reassurance to make her feel better She just doesn't want to lose the man that makes her feel like the happiest woman ever So it indicates like maybe there was a bad breakup Another TikTok Anna writes Even after every breakup being disrespected, being lied to, being cheated on, being used, getting manipulated, getting played I will always have a smile on my face and a kind heart I don't know why I've been through what I've been through but I can promise you I never deserved it Am I mad at those people for what they did to me?

47:20No Am I upset? Yes But at the end of the day we are all human and we make mistakes I'm glad that I went through that just because it made me realize that I don't want it in my life. At the end of the day, I pray that one day y 'all will learn what y 'all did was wrong and don't do it anymore to anyone else because no one deserves to be treated like that. So this is from like a month before the cruise. However, we don't know which ex this is about or if it's just like general life experience, but one of Anna's ex-boyfriends has come out to state that Anna's stepbrother has always been creepy. The 16-year-old stepbrother.

47:5216-year-old Chantel's son has always been creepy. And he's basically confirmed online suspicion that the stepbrother was involved. He states that the stepbrother was never normal with Anna. He says, quote, he's like infatuated, attracted to her like crazy. He always wanted to date her. That's crazy. What is this like through some news reporting or just TikTok online? He did an interview and it was like a short two second, right? But he said that there was this incident where he's on FaceTime with Anna. Anna falls asleep. And mind you, she's in the dining room because she doesn't have her own room with the lockable door.

48:22and he notices that the stepbrother had allegedly come into the dining room area and tried to get on top of her. So Josh, the ex-boyfriend starts freaking out and he's screaming, hey, what are you doing? And he says that he just hears the stepbrother run away. You just hear audible footsteps like scurrying through the house. One of Anna's aunts, so this is now Heather, her biological mom's sister. So you've got Tabitha's brother who made the ex post and then now you have Heather's sisters who have also been speaking out. And Heather's sisters are saying, this is not new information. Everyone in the family knew that this stepbrother was creepy.

48:56And even Anna's dad, Chris, knew. That's what she claims. In fact, Anna's aunt states, Anna wasn't really wanting to go on this cruise because the stepbrother was going. I had found out that she was sharing the room with the boy and I can see her, you know, just not being comfortable with it. But I guess putting up with it. She only has to sleep in the bed at night and the rest of the time she could avoid him out on the deck or something. She just wasn't comfortable with the boy. She was worried about him. She had worries and it's been like that almost the entire time that they lived together.

49:21The ex-boyfriend also confirms this theory. He says that Anna, during the time that they were dating, would consistently try to sleep over at friends' houses because she just really hated going home that much because of her stepbrother is what he claims. Now, this is weird because Anna's stepmom, Chantel, says that they're just the three amigos. Anna's grandparents state that they're all so close, just like brother and sister. And I will say, I haven't shown a lot of the TikToks here because Anna's actual half-brother, the 14-year-old boy, He he's a child and his name is redacted But Anna posts a lot of TikToks with her younger brother She like barely posts anything with her stepbrother I think there's one picture of him holding an award that he got And she's just like standing next to him smiling And then a few family photos But she doesn't post any TikToks She doesn't post anything specifically from herself with her stepbrother So I don't know Chantel if they're the three amigos So are you saying the 16 year old the name is still redacted?

50:10Like nobody like people are not reporting on him? It seems like everybody who is invested looking into the case knows the name so you're just choosing not to say until there's like official yeah yeah just because it seems um from chantelle it seems that he is a suspect in anna's murder but until there are charges and until we know legally if he's being charged as an adult this is not like a moral decision on my part i do think that if he is guilty of killing someone I mean, I think it's fine to use his name. Yeah, but I think - Just to be safe, got it. Even Anna's ex-boyfriend's dad. So this is now Josh's dad has come forward to state, yet the stepbrother was obsessed with Anna and not in a good way.

50:51He says when Josh, my son, Josh and Anna were dating, one time Josh came home and was like, listen, I tried to talk to Chris Kepner and his dad about how the stepbrother is a creep and he just wouldn't listen to me. I don't know how true this is. This is, you know, just an allegation at this point. And they mentioned that Anna was always terrified of the stepbrother because he carried around a big knife. Wow. Now these are more allegations and we don't know, but the half brother of Anna, so this is the 14 year old that was also in the room. He apparently told Anna's ex-boyfriend later after the cruise that the night that Anna was killed, he had gone to the room after dinner, he had gotten changed and he wanted to go outside to take pictures.

51:29So he leaves, he comes back and the door is locked. So he's trying to come back to sleep for the night. He's not allowed in, but he hears screaming and what sounds like maybe a chair being thrown inside the room is the report. We don't know if this is true. And I assume that this is pretty normal behavior for the stepbrother because the half-brother just goes back to the deck. He doesn't call his dad. He doesn't call his stepmom. He just goes back to the deck. And I imagine it's because either the parents don't do anything when this type of occurrence happens or this is a regular occurrence. Because if this is the first time it's happening, you would call somebody.

52:00And I'm not blaming the 14-year-old for not doing anything. Like this is, I'm just saying, this is alarming that this seems to be normal. And then he comes back to the room and he's let in. He doesn't see a mess. He doesn't see any blood or like anything alarming. He doesn't see Anna. So he just assumes that Anna is out of the room with the adults. And it's not like he's sleeping on the same bed as Anna. He's sleeping on a bunk bed. So he just climbs up to his bunk bed and goes to sleep. And Anna is in the same room, deceased, under her mattress. I think that the life jackets were to level out the mattress a bit.

52:32and then probably the comforter on top. I don't think that you probably wouldn't see, especially if you're 14. And I don't even know if a regular adult had opened the door, if they just glanced in, if they would be able to notice something would be amiss. It seems like the room attendant was trying to make the bed. So that's how it was discovered. Yeah, I don't think it was just like I opened the door and the room attendant is like, oh, I see something, a lump under the bed. I think she was probably trying to make the bed. So I imagine the life jackets were used to level out the mattress. So this is like the next day, next morning, they were out like having breakfast and someone was cleaning the room.

53:11Exactly. Wow. So he doesn't realize until the next morning that his sister is missing. If you are a parent on a cruise, you have a few very important pertinent jobs. You make sure that your kid gets back on the boat after they leave the port. You make sure you know where your kids are and that they're safe at any given time. And let's throw in a third one. You make sure that they take their meds. Concerta and Clonidine is a pretty commonly prescribed combination. So Concerta is typically prescribed for ADHD. It's kind of like, I guess, more typically Vyvanse, Adderall are common names. It's not the same drug.

53:48It's different, but it's in that family. And Clonidine is for insomnia. So Concerta is like Adderall. It's a stimulant for ADHD. A lot of people report that it's less of a huge up and down. So I know if you've taken Adderall before, you're probably like, oh my gosh, okay, this kid is on Adderall. It could be a little dangerous. But it's not like Adderall, it seems, where the crashes are big. It seems a little bit more of a plateau. But it does keep you up because it's a stimulant. It increases dopamine and norepinephrine in the brain. And of course, this interacts with each person differently.

54:20And clonidine can be prescribed for a lot of things, including insomnia, which can help with the concerta. So you've got this stimulant in the morning for ADHD, and then you probably take Clonadine at night so that you can kind of release that anxiety and get to bed. It can help with sleep, irritability, aggression, sometimes even for tics. I know some people with Tourette's have prescribed it. Emotional dysregulation or even hyperarousal. I would say any sort of stimulant and combination of stimulant and relaxers should not be something that you just take when you remember it. I'm not a pharmacist.

54:51My sister is a pharmacist. And Anna's 16-year-old stepbrother is diagnosed with ADHD. And so he takes that Concerta one pill a day every single morning. And then he takes the Clonidine, a pill a night, for insomnia every single night. This has been seemingly his medication regimen for three to four years, it seems. Chantal says that during the cruise, she was the one that held on to his medications, which makes sense. So every single morning, she gives him that Concerta, the stimulant for the ADHD. And then at night, she gives him the clonidine so that he can go to sleep, so that he can emotionally regulate, so that this can relax him.

55:25It'll help with his irritability, except the last two nights. So the night of Anna's death and the night before, she forgets to give him the insomnia medication. How do we find out about that? The court hearing for the emergency custody battle. She says the night before Anna's death, he had fallen asleep before needing his medication. So he was already asleep. Now, a lot of doctors, I did look into it, they do advise that you don't wake up your sleeping child to give them the Clonidine, but you could probably give it to them the next morning, or you can just make sure that they don't skip another dosage.

55:56Then the next night, the night of Anna's murder, she states that she fell asleep before giving him his medications. Which again, Clonidine is not something you just miss. It's not a take as needed type of prescription. If he already fell asleep, that's fine. And I don't know how frequently you can let that happen. But this is, you need typically, it's not even just a take it once a day. Typically, it's a daily medication that you take at the same time every day You set an alarm on your phone type of medication Medical guidelines for the drug read Do not stop taking Clonidine suddenly It must be tapered gradually over days to weeks To avoid dangerous blood pressure spikes and withdrawal And even if you are to miss more than one dose in a row You are instructed to call your doctor immediately Because you're at risk of withdrawal symptoms It does a lot of things to your blood pressure You may need to restart on a lower dose And then work your way back up to your normal dose than just going back at it to avoid cardiovascular and behavioral problems.

56:50But Chantal is like, I just fell asleep. And I don't want to speculate, but I do imagine that if the 16-year-old stepbrother is eventually arrested and charged for Anna's murder, and potentially there is a trial where he is even tried as an adult, I would imagine that it's highly likely that the defense attorneys would use this as some sort of argument. Because with clonidine withdrawal, you're expected to feel high rates of irritability your behavioral issues are going to be exacerbated it's just not going to be a good time just like any drug withdrawal it's not going to be a good time does that mean that you're not in the right state of mind and that you are unable to think and make conscious decisions?

57:29probably not but it seems like something that they would probably use in this hypothetical situation it's speculated even by Anna's grandparents that Anna was killed in that bar hold and just to mention even if someone is highly irritable, even if they are going through a drug withdrawal. And I don't know, I think everyone's biology is different, but to kill someone with a bar hold, you are holding on for a very long time. To give you an idea, one netizen explains, with no blood to the brain, you're looking at 10 to 20 seconds to pass out. But it would still take another 4 to 5 minutes for serious brain damage or even death.

58:03Notably, with these types of choke holds, where you are physically restraining oxygen from entering a person's brain, consciousness will be regained pretty quickly as you let go. So let's say they fall unconscious after 30 seconds. If you let go, it's more likely that they're going to regain consciousness very quickly and not die. So it's very unlikely that you can choke someone for 30 seconds and then they die, unless there's some sort of pre-existing condition already there or other circumstances we don't know about. It's technically possible, but usually not. It's going to take like five minutes.

58:35Another interesting detail to note is everyone kind of gives this vibe that the 16-year-old boy is, you know, some tabloid news articles have described him as having a baby face, as being a very meek, young-looking little boy. In an email from Chantel to her ex-husband, the stepbrother's dad, Thomas, she writes that their son wants to start doing jujitsu. So she's gonna look into that. I don't know if he started. and she also in another text message thread after she takes their kids to the hospital Chantel informs her ex-husband that the stepbrother is now five foot eight. And just to give you more I guess color to the whole picture further messages show Chantel sends Thomas the 16 year old son's report card.

59:16So she's sending Thomas both of the minors report cards for the 16 year old son and the nine year old girl. And Thomas responds and we can't see the report card. It's just attachment. So these are screenshots. Thomas Hudson in this emergency custody court filing he drops like a hundred plus page document and half of it are just text messages between him and Chantel back from 2024 and leading up to just like a few weeks ago days weeks after the murder of Anna Kepner okay so he's like using this all as proof of like I need to have custody of the nine-year-old daughter here's all of our text message exchanges this I've never really seen happen in a lot of cases because you'll find out after usually the indictment is when you get a lot of information.

59:58And then you're going into trial. There's a lot of court hearings. There's other news. There's the investigators will talk. They'll do interviews. And that's how you gather information before a trial starts. But this is so bizarre to have text messages this early on in an investigation where someone has not been charged nor indicted is pretty rare. So there's a bunch of text messages and it's just screenshots. So we don't see the attachment. We don't see the 16 year old son's report card. But if you see Thomas's response, it's interesting. He says, What can we do with our son? I'm glad his grades are passing, but attendance and no respect?

1:00:31Have you talked to him? So it seems like the notes on the report card say he has attendance issues and no respect. Chantel responds, According to his teachers, there have been no concerns about respect or behavior. His grades are good and most are close to B's. I haven't received any reports indicating an issue. Thomas responds, In his report card, it says it in the notes, along with his attendance and a number of other things that's why I asked. To which Chantel responds, Please reread the report card. It notes that he is very respectful and there's nothing negative stated about his attendance.

1:00:58I've already discussed with him the importance of keeping up with his homework. So we don't know who's lying, who's misreading, who's misinterpreting. Yeah. Thomas doesn't respond for two days and then it's about an unrelated matter when he finally does. But it would appear that if anything, the 16-year-old stepbrother has the physical capabilities of killing his stepsister. We just don't know if he did it. Chantal states later that the last time she personally saw Anna Kepner was the night before She says this is around 6 30 just before 7 and quote They were all headed back to their room as far as I know So she's indicating that Anna, Anna's half-brother and the stepbrother are heading back to their room And here's why I think this is weird Chantal also states that her room is across the hall from the teenager's room She sees them all head back to the room And then she herself goes back to her room at 7 30 p.m.

1:01:46She does not go check up on the teenagers She doesn't even give her son the medication. She just goes to sleep and she doesn't hear any sort of screaming, any sort of tumbling noises, no chairs being thrown like the half brother reported that he heard. Even the TikToker, her sister reported hearing screams of help, but Chantel doesn't hear anything. She just passes out for the night. Anna's grandparents have since come out to do their own interview where Anna's grandma says, well, we had dinner. Anna wasn't feeling well. And it seems like there was something wrong with her braces that they were hurting.

1:02:16She just said, Mima, I think I'm going to go back to my room for a little bit. And she must have felt better because she got dressed up and she came down. We were playing in the casino. She didn't win anything. And she said, Mima, I love you guys. I'll see you later. And we never saw her again after that. So you've got Chantel's story where she's saying, I saw my son. I saw Anna and her half-brother all go to the room together. And then I went to sleep. And then we have grandma saying, oh, at the dinner, Anna left because she wasn't feeling well. And then later, we saw Anna in the casino because Anna's 18.

1:02:42She can be in the casino. And she was just hanging out. And then she left before we did. That's the last time we saw both of those things could be true. None of those things could be true It's just a little bit different So did anna go back alone because of her braces or did they all go back together? We don't know and as grandpa says the next morning After all of this, he's out there grabbing bingo cards He's starting the morning with bingo cards and he hears over the loudspeakers that there's a medical emergency in the state room That anna is staying in so he starts freaking out and the rest of the family They already seem to know that something isn't right because they're eating breakfast grandpa's not at breakfast Apparently he's getting bingo cards.

1:03:16Everybody at breakfast is like, where is Anna? And the half brother is like, I didn't see her when I went to sleep last night. Everyone's like, we haven't seen Anna. We haven't seen her when we woke up. The half brother's like, I didn't see her when I woke up. I thought she was already out here somewhere. So they start freaking out and they start searching the boat for Anna, but they don't go back to the room to search for her. So it might be because maybe the half brother had indicated he didn't see her that morning. So that makes sense to not search that. And I guess you might be more scared of other people on the boat, other strangers on the boat like creepy older predators on the boat perhaps than someone in the room so they start searching this boat i don't know where they go but they hear the emergency intercom for the medical emergency because the room attendant had gone into that room to make the bed and to clean up and she finds anna's body so they all run back to the state room where the teenagers are staying and that is where anna is found anna's grandma says that she just keeps screaming she says i couldn't stop screaming.

1:04:10We don't know really anything else. We don't know the exact time that Anna got back to the room last night. We don't know when Anna's half-brother went back into the room. We really don't know anything. Is there cameras? There are, and it seems like something, I imagine, the kind of information will be easy for the FBI to determine and verify, but it just, it's very odd that everybody's description is like a little bit different. And again, they could all make sense and they could have all been true. Maybe we're just not getting it. Maybe It's not explained in a way where it feels as cohesive as it could be.

1:04:42And you said this, nobody has been arrested. And this happened like, what, weeks ago? November 7th. Months. Whoa. Yeah. There are speculations as to why. Like really crazy speculations. Big theories. Conspiracies, I would say. Which we'll get into. Because you'll see once I read you more text messages, it's a little weirder. And the reason that we know so much about this investigation so far, because it probably would have been just radio silence up until this point, is because of the custody hearing. The 100 plus page court filing that was done by Thomas Hudson against Chantel Hudson and the fight for the nine-year-old girl that is right now in Chantel and Chris's care.

1:05:20And there's this very revealing text message inside of this entire document where Thomas Hudson last year had texted Chantel, I kept my mouth shut when you told me that you can't jeopardize your marriage for helping your son. And it seems like they're referring to the 16-year-old boy, the 16-year-old son. What could that mean? I don't know. Huh. Jeopardizing. Nobody knows. I mean, they have these very splotchy text message exchanges where they're talking about something very serious, and then they won't talk to each other for a month, and then they'll be messaging each other about something completely unrelated.

1:05:55Whether they have phone conversations to fill in the caps, I don't know. And that is part one of the Anna Kepner case, if you guys are listening on the audio podcast. in part two we're going to dive into all of the text messages between Chantel Kepner the mother of the stepbrother and her ex-husband the father of the stepbrother they even talk about TikToks that are being posted they talk about people who are spreading rumors and conspiracies and it's just very interesting to see their very personal thoughts in real time as this entire case develops and there is a court hearing that we're going to get into but stay tuned for that and let me know your thoughts stay safe and I will see you in the next part.

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