In short
Two Florida teen girls, Isabel Valdez (15) and Lois Lippert (14), are arrested after allegedly planning to kill a classmate in a school bathroom as part of a “blood oath” meant to resurrect mass murderer Adam Lanza. The episode also discusses online subcultures that romanticize school shooters (Columbiners/TCC) and includes graphic descriptions of related fan art.
Guest backgrounds
No podcast guests are identified in the transcript; it’s presented as a single-host true-crime narration.
Key claims
The girls planned the attack after second period at Lake Brantley High School. Police documents say Isabel stalked the target for months, brought a ~12-inch kitchen knife, tried sharpening it on a toilet seat/railings, and brought supplies (e.g., gloves, cigarettes, flowers for a “funeral,” and items she said were to muffle/cover the victim). An anonymous tip via Fortify Florida led administrators/police to intervene before the killing.
Notable examples
Police car giggling about “mugshots” and role-playing “Columbine stuff”; Lois allegedly drawing Zero Day/Columbine-inspired fan art (including violent imagery) and drawing Isabel with the target; online “TCC” comments praising killers and “adam lasagna” hashtagging.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOThe Setup: A Strange Situation
0:00 to 0:10
A reflection on self-awareness and social norms in awkward situations.
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The Setup: A Strange Situation
0:52 to 1:04
A reflection on self-awareness and social norms in awkward situations.
Introducing Isabel and Lois
1:05 to 2:36
Meet Isabel and Lois, two girls in an uncomfortable situation in a police car.
“And you walk out and you see that you clearly did not need to use that stall You could have just waited for a different one And someone else was waiting for that one if you ever do that.”
Giggles in the Backseat
2:37 to 4:28
Isabel and Lois find humor in their dire situation after an arrest.
“Another girl starts sitting in the backseat of the same police car.”
Their Plan Unfolds
4:29 to 5:48
Details emerge about their plan to kill a classmate and its implications.
“well we're going to jail what do you think?”
Warning About Sensitive Topics
6:42 to 7:38
Discussion of sensitive topics including violence and eating disorders.
“as multiple instances of gun violence in schools.”
The Concept of Resurrection
7:39 to 10:35
Exploring the ideas and beliefs surrounding resurrection in various cultures.
“On top of that, the mere definition of resurrection is too vague.”
Isabel and Lois’s Disturbing Plan
10:36 to 13:55
Details of Isabel and Lois's misguided plan to kill their classmate unfold.
“Not that that would even change anything, but they strike me as the type of people that feel like it sounds edgy.”
Introduction to the Case of Isabel Valdez
14:00 to 17:57
Learn about the alarming events surrounding a teen's murder plot and the subsequent police involvement.
“It's completely anonymous, so you don't feel like a snitch.”
Introduction to the Case of Isabel Valdez
19:00 to 19:51
Learn about the alarming events surrounding a teen's murder plot and the subsequent police involvement.
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Introduction to the Case of Isabel Valdez
19:53 to 20:06
Learn about the alarming events surrounding a teen's murder plot and the subsequent police involvement.
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The Role-Playing Incident and Columbiner Culture
20:06 to 28:07
Explore the unsettling role-play of two teens in police custody and the troubling subculture surrounding the Columbine shooters.
“This 10 episode mystery thriller is executive produced by Martin Scorsese and stars Academy Award winner Javier Bardem, Academy Award nominee Amy Adams, and Emmy nominee Patrick Wilson.”
The Impact of Zero Day on Gun Reform
28:07 to 28:55
Discussion on how the film Zero Day influences views on gun reform.
“reform because it's left such an unsettling feeling in their hearts.”
Fan Culture Around School Shootings
28:56 to 30:23
Exploration of the disturbing fan culture surrounding fictional school shooters.
“She actually has an extensive portfolio of drawing zero day fan art.”
Lois Lippert's Dark Artistry
30:24 to 33:14
Detailed examination of Lois Lippert's graphic fan art related to school shooters.
“I'm going to try to put some up in the video podcast but it's pretty graphic some of them.”
Police Encounter with Artistic Insights
33:15 to 35:08
Recounting the interaction between the police and Lois about her drawings.
“Lois Redhair is drawing Isabel with John.”
Police Encounter with Artistic Insights
35:32 to 36:31
Recounting the interaction between the police and Lois about her drawings.
“You have to call out each tile when you put it down and I'm trying to play with my mother-in-law.”
Police Encounter with Artistic Insights
37:12 to 38:35
Recounting the interaction between the police and Lois about her drawings.
“Compensation provides incentive to positively promote Acorns.”
Inside the True Crime Community (TCC)
38:47 to 42:06
Analysis of the problematic aspects of the TCC and its glorification of violence.
“That's not what you typically refer to as TCC.”
Isabel Valdez's Obsession with Adam Lanza
42:06 to 46:08
Learn about Isabel's disturbing connection to Adam Lanza and her violent intentions.
“Sometimes I think about who the person was to prepare Adam for cremation and if they treated his body with respect.”
The Failed Murder Plot Unfolds
46:08 to 52:25
Discover how Isabel planned a murder and what led to her arrest.
“Isabel advised that while she was sitting in class, one of her online friends pleaded with her not to follow through with her plan.”
The Failed Murder Plot Unfolds
52:29 to 52:58
Discover how Isabel planned a murder and what led to her arrest.
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Transcript
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0:54Isabelle Valdez:There's usually a few places that require automatic introspection Like if you are a completely able-bodied person You use the accessible bathroom stall And you walk out and you see that you clearly did not need to use that stall You could have just waited for a different one And someone else was waiting for that one if you ever do that. I mean, don't do that. But if you do, that is a moment that would require deep self-reflection as you awkwardly wash your hands in shame. It's almost automatic, I would hope. Another one of those places is sitting in the back of a police car with your hands behind your back.
1:29Isabelle Valdez:Clearly, you're not getting a free ride. This is far less comfortable than the most worst. This is far less comfortable than the worst Uber ride that you've ever been on. and Isabel, she looks freaking uncomfortable. Isabel is sitting there and she's sitting up with her. Her back is straight up against the back seat of this police car. She's not even sitting up straight because she wants to be on her best behavior, which would be smart. But Isabel, you're going to soon find out she's not that smart. But because her wrists are handcuffed behind her back, she can't even slouch if she wants to. She's wearing this white t-shirt.
2:02Isabelle Valdez:She's got very curly hair and she almost has this very young baby face and she looks bored. She's sitting on the left side of the back of the cop car. The back door to the right side opens and she just casually looks over. She's not on high alert. She's not anxious. She's not looking around frantically and she just leans her head to the side. Excuse me? Are we going to the same one? We don't really see him but you can assume it's a police officer And he's clarifying, what do you mean same one? Same jail? Yeah, yeah, yeah, you are. Another girl starts sitting in the backseat of the same police car.
2:42Isabelle Valdez:And she's got bright red hair. She's wearing a tiny little tank top. And she also has her hands handcuffed behind her back. And both of them instantly, the minute that the red-haired girl, her butt touches the bottom of the seat, they look at each other and they start giggling. They're like, yeah. And they just start cackling. They're looking at each other like we're about to be in the same jail. 15-year-old Isabel Valdez and 14-year-old Lois Lippert are sitting next to each other in the back of this police car. And for the next 30 minutes, I mean, I don't know how they're going to come back from the next 30 minutes.
3:17Isabelle Valdez:This is immediately after both of them are arrested on their high school campus, Lake Brantley High School in Florida, where they were planning to kill a classmate in one of the school bathrooms. Lois says, dude, they pulled the security cameras and stuff and they got to see us walking out. I know they saw. Mind you, the police are in the front driving. So they're not alone in the backseat of the police car, which even then they should know that they're being recorded. Lois is like, yeah, that was the first time I actually seen like I actually I wanted to see more. I was like, well, look, I'm on the cameras there.
3:55Isabelle Valdez:It was so cool. I was like, damn, I forgot that there's just like videos like that. Yeah. Later, Lois, the red-haired girl, looks at Isabel. And she has this moment and this look in her eyes. And she goes, this is such a bonding experience. I love it. This is, I mean, it's like back to back. All 30 minutes. We're going to go through all 30 minutes. But it gets really intense. At one point, Lois is trying to get a glimpse of her reflection. And she's trying to see what she looks like right now. Isabel glances over. Oh, you trying to look good for your mugshot? Oh, shit. am I gonna get a mug shot?
4:31Isabelle Valdez:well we're going to jail what do you think? oh yeah that's crazy dude I was gonna do my makeup this morning for the mug shot but I couldn't find anything yeah I'm glad I actually don't look bad today Isabel rests her head on the back of the little headrest in the backseat and she's complaining I look horrible it's over don't worry you're gonna be the butch lesbian in jail it doesn't matter if you look good hey at least they're gonna see me in some way or another in that mugshot. And later Lois brings up, you think I'm going to be able to fix my hair or you think I'll be in prison in handcuffs?
5:07Isabelle Valdez:Yeah, probably still handcuffs. Really? But don't you like have to hold that number thing? I think that's only in the stupid shows. Like it's so stupid. And they talk about how they're so glad that at least red haired girl Lois, her hair looks good and she dyed it before this incident. And at some point, Isabella and Lois, they start talking about how they're going to get out of jail sooner than later because, quote, not a school shooting at least. Yeah, we'd be in prison for life. Yeah, because the whole point of this was not that they were going to shoot up their school. No, the whole point was they were going to kill their classmate to bring a school shooter back from the dead.
5:48Isabelle Valdez:This is the case of 15-year-old Isabel Valdez and 14-year-old Lois Lippert.
6:14Isabelle Valdez:We would like to thank today's sponsors who have made it possible for Rotten Mango to support Sandy Hook Promise, a national non-profit founded by loved ones of victims who were killed at Sandy Hook Elementary. Their mission is to take action in schools, homes, communities, all in an effort to help prevent gun violence and further losses of life. This episode's partnerships have also made it possible to support Rotten Mango's team of dedicated researchers and we'd also like to thank you guys for your continued support. As always, full show notes are available at rottenmangopodcast.com. Today's episode discusses in-depth severe, severe eating disorders as well as multiple instances of gun violence in schools.
6:50Isabelle Valdez:Additionally, on a smaller note, we do touch heavily upon controversial topics of certain online forums and sub-communities that glorify school shooters and mass killers and all of the opinions expressed represent netizen comments that are publicly available online and we're only sharing them in an effort to provide context to this case. In no way does this represent any of our own beliefs. In addition to the mention of severe eating disorders, there's also discussion of other mental health conditions. The people involved in today's case do not represent these communities and this episode is not a generalization of any of these conditions.
7:24Isabelle Valdez:Today's case is also still ongoing with many updates and if there are any major ones, especially with the trial upcoming, we're going to pin them in the comment below. Lastly, quotes may be condensed or combined for brevity and with that being said, let's get into it. You can't just resurrect someone. On top of that, the mere definition of resurrection is too vague. The definition of resurrection could also be changed based on who you talk to, what they believe in. But interestingly enough, resurrections are pretty much in every recorded religion, culture. Apparently it is a story that humans love, bringing someone back from the dead.
7:58Isabelle Valdez:But there's also different types of resurrections. You have a resurrection proper. This is when the soul comes back to the original body. Literally somebody dies. They come back to life. This is not a near death experience. Like, oh, I almost died. I redlined, you know, I was code red. No, No, you were dead and then you come back to life in the original body. You have been resurrected. The second one is a bit more aligned with reincarnations, which is a soul comes back, but in a different or new body. Now, I will say a lot of people believe that you can come back in a new human body, that you were born again with a new life.
8:32Isabelle Valdez:But some people, a small group of people, believe that you can actually come back through a body that is not new. This is where all the fantasy horror movies come into play. They take heavy inspiration from having someone take over another person's body and be able to control their human form. Then there's resurrection to deification. Obviously, that's not applicable to today's case, but you pass as a human, you die as a human, but you are now raised to divine status. Sometimes you can bypass the death part and become a god of some sort, but usually there is a dying, whether it's symbolic or literal.
9:05Isabelle Valdez:But clearly, we're not talking about deification or religious resurrections. I would not be well-versed enough to touch on that, even in the slightest, nor do I think it's my place. However, the point being, humans love a good story of resurrections. It's like embedded into so many of our stories, so much so that even if you're not religious, probably the idea of digging someone up from their final resting place feels uneasy because most people have a belief that there is a soul and that soul is going to be at unrest if you dig them up. And if there's a soul out there, then aren't you just one step away from trying to bring that soul back into a human form?
9:40Isabelle Valdez:which is not me saying that resurrections are real and that they're feasible. I tend to think the opposite. Even if I were a billionaire, I wouldn't be a cryo chamber buddy with Walt Disney because I feel that I am skeptical of modern day resurrections and immortality messaging. 15-year-old Isabel Valdez, 14-year-old Lois Lippert, they want to resurrect someone from the dead by offering up one of their classmates in return by performing what they called a blood oath. I do want to preface this all by saying I strongly believe that Isabel and Lois are both plagued by the incurable disease that is stupidity.
10:18Isabelle Valdez:Nothing they do or think makes any sense at all. They are the type of individuals that make you want to actively fight over population. Not only are they stupid and reckless, they are very aggressive with it. It's an aggressive IQ problem. I think they wanted to resurrect someone with a blood oath, not because they know what either of those two things mean. Not that that would even change anything, but they strike me as the type of people that feel like it sounds edgy. So they're going to do it. Their combined lack of thought as they move through life could be almost a tad bit silly had their actions not been so destructive.
10:51Isabelle Valdez:But their whole idea, according to the police reports, is this. It's all going to happen after a second period. That's when they're going to kill their classmate. Now, the identity of the 15 year old boy has been thankfully concealed. I'm just going to use the name John for John Doe. No relation to this case, just John to make it simple instead of saying redacted every two seconds. According to the court documents, the plan is this. Isabel is going to the upstairs bathroom after second period. That's where she's going to wait for John to pass. And she knows that John is going to pass because she's been stalking John for the past like three months of her life.
11:23Isabelle Valdez:Every day at school, she knows what route he takes, what hallways he takes, which classes he has. She's going to wait for John. And when he walks by, which he always does, she's gonna pull him inside to the bathroom, drag him into the largest stall, and quote, Isabel stated she would then stab him in the stomach or cut his throat. She even brought a knife with her, a kitchen knife. The police asked her, describe the knife to me. It's just a regular kitchen knife. This is Isabel responding, it's just a regular kitchen knife. How big is the knife? About 12 inches long. She had already tried sharpening the knife earlier that morning in school, so before a second period.
11:58Isabelle Valdez:She's already trying to sharpen the knife. That's one of the first things that she does when she gets to school Friday morning, January 23rd, 2026. So this is like very recent. She tries sharpening the knife. The police are asking her, how were you trying to sharpen the knife? I try to saw it back and forth on the toilet seat to sharpen it. So she's in one of the bathroom stalls just playing the violin with a knife and a toilet seat. Her friend Lois is helping her trying to sharpen this knife. It's not working on the toilet seat. So they try, You know those metal railings that make it easier for you to get up that you hold on to in bathrooms?
12:30Isabelle Valdez:They're trying to use the metal railing to sharpen the knife.
12:33Lois Lippert:They're really not that bright, huh?
12:33Isabelle Valdez:No. Lois even brought additional supplies. Isabel brought Clorox wipes, a trash bag, a knife, a yellow microfiber towel. They're like, why do you need the microfiber towel? Well, in case I needed to muffle him to cover his mouth. Lois, red-haired girl Lois, would you bring? She brought a chocolate bar, Dr. Pepper, gloves, cigarettes, a lighter, and some flowers. The police are like, what are the -
13:00Lois Lippert:Cooking flowers?
13:00Isabelle Valdez:No, like floral.
13:02Lois Lippert:Oh.
13:03Isabelle Valdez:What were the flowers for? Isabel tells the officers that she wanted to leave the flowers for John's funeral. Okay, what about the cigarettes? Why did you ask Lois to bring you cigarettes? Isabel says that she wanted to smoke the two cigarettes after killing John because she knew that she would be arrested, so she wanted to smoke before going to jail. Now, side note, she's not even a smoker. She just wants to smoke because she's never smoked before and she knew that she was going to get arrested. So what better time than now to smoke a cigarette? But why John? Like we know that Isabel has this plan to resurrect a school attacker via a blood oath, aka first degree murder.
13:40Isabelle Valdez:She just has a plan to kill an innocent classmate. That's all she has. But why John? John and Isabel have zero interactions. They have zero conflicts, conversations. John doesn't even know that Isabel exists really. But Isabel says it's because John looks just like Adam Lanza, the Sandy Hook shooter, the one that she's trying to resurrect, her quote, soulmate. Very early in the morning of January 23rd, 2026, so that's the Friday morning, there's this website called Fortify Florida where students can submit tips of anything dangerous that's being planned or happening in schools. It's completely anonymous, so you don't feel like a snitch.
14:19Isabelle Valdez:It's supposed to get forwarded to the appropriate administrators, to the police, and this anonymous tip comes in Friday morning before class starts. A 15-year-old friend of mine who is trans with a preferred name of Jimmy told me that he's going to kill somebody we know from school by the name of Redacted, John. Which, side note, we always use preferred names and pronouns on this channel and while it does appear that Isabel would go by the name of Jimmy with some of her classmates, she seems to only mention going by Jimmy and being a trans boy to the police when it feels a little bit convenient.
14:53Isabelle Valdez:It almost feels like an effort to distance herself from the crime, coupled with the fact that the judge, prosecutors, mainstream media outlets, police, they've all been referring to Isabel with she, her pronouns, and her name, Isabel, without any further clarification from Isabel. So Isabel even writes letters to the judge using Isabel Valdez. And also, side note, Isabel pretended to be an advocate against gun violence and supported Sandy Hook support groups on Facebook. So she just strikes me as a rage baiter and a troll. So for that reason, we're just going to be referring to her as Isabel for the time being.
15:27Isabelle Valdez:But this tip comes in. A 15-year-old friend of mine who is trans with the preferred name of Jimmy told me that he's going to kill somebody we know from school by the name of John. He stated that he would do it tomorrow. Okay, this is like middle of the night. It's basically Friday, but I would assume that this kid didn't go to sleep. Right. This conversation happened just a couple of hours ago. I have a great suspicion that he's going to do this. He's already been recently involved with police officers at school about threats that we've been getting towards our school. He knows the people who have made the threats and the cops are also aware of this.
16:01Isabelle Valdez:He also told me earlier today that the cops had confiscated his phone as they got another threat, which apparently was one of the reasons why he wants to do something like this. I'm not sure about Jimmy's legal name since I never call him by his legal name, but by memory, it might be Isabel. A few hours later, Isabel and Lois are in the back of the police car giggling about going to the same jail. And Isabel starts getting giddy at this idea because she had last night told one of her guy friends about this whole ordeal that she was planning. And she's so excited at the idea that the police are also going to search his phone and he's going to get in trouble because he never reported any of this okay so she doesn't know someone ratted her out no she's telling lois red-haired girl lois oh my god lois is just giggling i don't know what's so funny i told him he knew he didn't report me i told him already i thought he did a tip lois is like i thought he did a tip he did a tip yeah there was a tip shown did you not see someone tipped he fucking snitched lois clarifies it was an anonymous tip but i was just assuming based off the writing oh my fucking god i knew i shouldn't have told him because he was like oh can you please tell me i can't sleep tonight fuck you god this is when she finds out that someone tipped off the police and lois is clarifying yeah i got shown the tip and it was like my friend a 15 year old named jimmy is planning to kill some dude yeah it was like i don't really remember their real name but i think it was isabel and they spelt it wrong too and isabel is just having this whole conniption god what a fucking snitch and she's looking out the window as the police are driving past trees and she's just muttering to herself so stupid
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20:40Isabelle Valdez:and in the time that they should be contemplating their own existence and their attempted murder charges lois mentions her masterful genius plan she turns to isabel dude if i have to be in a room where they have to record me or some shit like like a police interrogation room i'm gonna pull out my tits so that I would be CP. That's what I was thinking. If they had, you know, if they had to start doing that instead of just doing the audio recording, I was just going to like pull out my tits. They both seem to silently agree that this is a phenomenal idea. And during a brief moment of quiet in the car, Isabel turns to Lois and she says, hey, hey, let's role play some Columbine stuff.
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21:22Lois Lippert:What?
21:23Isabelle Valdez:And she says, wait, so who's Eric? Red-haired Lois responds, well, I'll probably be Eric because Eric obviously gets it in the ass. So Lois, red-haired Lois, is going to roleplay Eric, one of the Columbine shooters, and Isabel is going to be Dylan, another one of the Columbine shooters. Isabel starts doing this unsettling but also very bizarre role-playing session in the car, and mind you there's still two police officers in the front isabel says okay hey eric fuck off klebold hey kitty please talk to me you probably don't even know about kmfdm which side note kmfdm is a german industrial rock band that eric was a huge fan of and it's almost become unfortunately for the band synonymous with this weird glorifying school attacker aesthetic people who don't even like kmfdm music will purchase kmfdm shirts to wear because they think they're in the aesthetic of eric and dylan i don't know what aesthetic that is dead okay but isabel is like yeah i do flashes off my kmfdm shirt so she she's like inserting the motions of role-playing.
22:39Isabelle Valdez:She's like, yeah, I know the band, flashes off my KMFDM shirt. Lois, aka Eric, turns to her and is like, whoa, you know about KMFDM? Um, yeah. I feel something in my pants. Ha ha ha ha. Isabel says, hey, what if, what if I have my Jewish babies inside of you? I hate, insert derogatory term for Jewish people. No. What's wrong with you, Eric? Please, please, please. Okay, fine. And Isabel hits her with a, uh, sticks it up your butt. And then at some point, Isabel gets distracted mid role play, gets distracted looking out the window and goes, hey, my sister goes to therapy over there.
23:24Lois Lippert:I'm so lost right now.
23:26Isabelle Valdez:Let me give you some context. There is a small but very scary group of people on the internet that idolize the Columbine shooters, Eric and Dylan. Basically, they call themselves Columbiners and they will make fan edits of Dylan and Eric with sad songs and captions like, good night, RIP my babies. And they're not saying RIP to all the victims whose lives were lost during the Columbine attack. They're saying RIP my babies to Dylan and Eric. They're called Columbiners and they obsess over making edits of the dead killers with either Euro pop songs or pumped up kicks. And they tell others that Eric is the cuter one.
24:02Isabelle Valdez:It's very reminiscent of the Wade Wilson case where people felt like they could save Wade Wilson just because what he's tall. He has cartoonish face tattoos and has the same name as a Marvel character. It's so idiotic to the point where I don't even think that I can describe in a way that would do it justice how dumb this whole thing is. He also killed two people, Wade Wilson. So stop the nonsense. Columbiners are consistently one of the groups that get booted from practically every social media platform because they're Columbiners. And the Columbine tragedy has sadly become this entry point for people to start romanticizing and resonating with mass killers.
24:39Isabelle Valdez:One netizen points out, Columbine is constantly portrayed as the ultimate archetype of outcasts, getting revenge against society. Therefore, disenfranchised edgelords start viewing the shooters as inspiration. In reality, Eric and Dylan were just assholes with very, very hateful mentalities. It's created this very alarming subculture of people who most likely post gore in their discords. Like that's kind of the general subgroup that we're talking about, subculture. Now, side note, even the idea that the two killers were bullied, I mean, first of all, that's hardly sort of any sort of justification or sympathy point.
25:17Isabelle Valdez:So many people have been bullied. They don't go on to kill innocent people. But even that has been highly debated. Many say that they were bullied, but also they went on to bully others. Others say that they were barely bullied. They just used it as a reason to hate humankind. And then most people agree that if they were bullied, they were not bullied any worse than how they bullied others even before the killings. So I understand that there might be a want to understand what was happening in the minds of these two killers. But it's very alarming to relate more to the killers than to the victims just because the killers were rejected by society.
25:54no felt they were rejected by society dylan and eric and the only reason that i'm talking even
26:01Isabelle Valdez:slightly in depth about either of them is because it's pretty pertinent to this case but dylan and eric they left behind what is now referred to as the basement tapes they documented their process on planning the entire attack on their school they have thankfully these basement tapes in its entirety thankfully have not been released to the public there has been a lot of pushback over the years. A lot of people want these basement tapes to be released so that they can armchair psychoanalyze the actions of the two killers, stating that it would give the general public a better understanding of why the killers did what they did.
26:34Isabelle Valdez:And I personally don't think that they should ever be released. I think it would just give Columbiners more materials for their weird edits and spawn even more copycats and further traumatized victims and their families. And that is if they even still have the basement tapes. From what I understand, Jefferson County Sheriff's Department has destroyed the basement tapes years ago. I do think that perhaps federal agencies could hold copies, but I'm not entirely sure. But all of this leads to the Columbiner fandom. There is an overlap with another fandom. And the fact that I'm calling it a fandom makes me want to pull my hair out.
27:09Isabelle Valdez:The dumbass Columbiners, there's a bit of an overlap to a fandom that is obsessed with this indie film called Zero Day. It's a found footage style film and it opens with two guys. They're vlogging. So the whole time it's like a vlog, an extended vlog. The last few minutes there's CCTV footage, but most of it is a vlog. And they're vlogging in front of a school saying, this is our high school located in our town. It's our worst enemy. It's our nemesis. There will be a series of missions followed by a big ass mission called Zero Day. The movie is about two high school students, Calvin or Cal and Andre, and they're going to be school shooters.
27:48Isabelle Valdez:It's very clearly inspired by Columbine. Even the two characters, it seems like Cal is based on Dylan and Andre being Eric. There is a lot of praise around the film centered around how real it felt with movie clips often being mistaken for real footage from Columbine, which is conflicting. But people state that they watch the movie and they've become even more passionate about gun reform because it's left such an unsettling feeling in their hearts. I imagine that's the ultimate mission of the filmmakers. However, a lot of Columbiners have created a miserable subculture around zero day B &D film as well.
28:25Isabelle Valdez:They would make fan art, fan edits. I mean, granted, it's a fictional movie, but it's so closely resembling the Columbine tragedy that I find it hard to understand how you can make fan edits of these two fictional characters and how you can become obsessed with them, especially when they're still school shooters at the end of the day even in the fictional plot like nobody watches Criminal Minds and starts making fan edits of one of the pedophiles depicted in this fictional show just because it's fictional it's still unsettling and again this is not the group of people who felt like this movie was deeply touching in a sense of it was so startling it was so it was so poignant and they fell in love with the actors the individuals who depicted the characters it's not that these are fans who fixate on cal and andre as the school attackers they don't care about the actors they don't care about how the film made them feel they just want to make fan edits of them and it's primarily just offensive wannabe edgelord slop so you say the two girls wanted to bring back adam lanza who's the sandy hook shooter so they just love every school
29:32Lois Lippert:shooters is that right yeah yeah okay and that whole role playing is that just like a thing they do to like a game they commonly play it seems like it it seems like this is how they talk
29:47Isabelle Valdez:on discord and within this niche of zero day fans they have a group of people that like fan art and a group of people that will make fan art for these people artists who would draw fan art of cal and Andre and there was one that was somewhat well known on Tumblr by the name of Fox Fever. Fox Fever is Lois Lippert. She actually has an extensive portfolio of drawing zero day fan art. So the indie film fan art of Cal and Andre. Loosely based off of Eric and Dylan.
30:19Lois Lippert:So what exactly does she draw?
30:21Isabelle Valdez:She just draws the, I mean she's okay I'm just going to try to describe some of her art. I'm going to try to put some up in the video podcast but it's pretty graphic some of them. She will draw the making out I mean she's objectively not a bad artist but her depictions are quite dark with one with Andre he has blood dripping out of his mouth he's stabbing his own stomach another shows Andre wearing a shirt that reads natural selection which is what one of the Columbine attackers wore another shows Cal going down on Andre another one of them is of them hugging kissing where both of their mouths are filled with blood they're harming each other with knives and finding satisfaction from it.
30:58Isabelle Valdez:One, they're full on having intimate relations and one where it appears that they are lovingly looking into each other's eyes while blood is spewing in the back, which you can kind of piece together that that might be taken from a moment of inspiration perhaps of how they were looking at each other while innocent lives are being taken by them. Another one that depicts Cal and Andre dead on the ground but that drawing is very reminiscent of the Columbine killer's death photo that has been circulating. Yeah. Fox fever, Lois Lippert, would even animate her drawings. One shows Andre sitting there looking conflicted while Cal is screaming at him, why does it hurt to love you?
31:40Isabelle Valdez:Andre responds, I don't know. So it's really not that deep, but another drawing comes with the words, you can't cure somebody who has nothing wrong with them. She also liked to draw Elliot Rogers, Jeffrey Dahmer, one of the Academy maniacs, which is a Russian killer. So again, just like wannabe edgelord slop. But 14-year-old Lois Lippert has also drawn very personal images of Isabel and John, the classmate that they were allegedly going to kill together. One drawing shows John sitting on the floor, and his body language looks like he's backing away, trying to scoot away. And Isabel is holding on to him, caressing his face, and telling him he looks like a porcelain doll.
32:19Lois Lippert:How do we know who exactly she's drawing, though? oh because they tell the police oh yeah they explain their art yeah yeah yeah yeah and you
32:30Isabelle Valdez:can kind of tell the facial features so cal and andre are drawn in a very specific way all the time with john there's slight discrepancies where it's sometimes hard to tell whether she's drawing adam lanza or john but most of the time it's john the actual student that they're trying to kill okay another drawing shows isabel being hugged and on one side it's adam lanza and on the other side it's john and they're both kissing her on the cheek and the head then there's another one of john with a rope another one shows isabel holding john and the caption reads take your hands off my neck and hold on to the ghost of my body they're just trying to be dark and introspective and poetic.
33:14Lois Lippert:Isabel is the artist?
33:16Isabelle Valdez:No.
33:16Lois Lippert:No, no. Okay, so she is drawing her friend? Yeah. Not herself.
33:20Isabelle Valdez:No. Lois Redhair is drawing Isabel with John. And Isabel is the one that wants to kill John. Lois is just kind of here for the ride. She's like, I'll help you, essentially.
33:30Lois Lippert:So she's not like drawing herself?
33:33Isabelle Valdez:No.
33:33Lois Lippert:At all?
33:34Isabelle Valdez:No.
33:35Lois Lippert:Interesting. Okay.
33:36Isabelle Valdez:So she's drawing Isabel. She's drawing John. And she does take a lot of requests. there was apparently a dm from people who had messaged lois lippert red-haired girl the artist previously and were like hey can you draw this for me and she would say you have to go through jimmy first which is isabel so it seems like she does take requests then another one is isabel holding a guy's face to her chest it looks like john and she's hugging him he looks very alarmed and not excited to be there it's just odd another one depicts isabel holding up a very thin frail john up against the wall like holding him up in the air while she's admiring him others show isabel reaching down there doing things to john another shows her performing intimate acts on adam lanza one of the alarming drawings shows isabel and john dead on the ground but the way they're laying on the ground the clothing that they're wearing the positioning of their bodies where their arms are laying, it's basically, again, the Columbine shooter's death photo, because both self-exited in the library that day.
34:41Isabelle Valdez:It's a real photo, but it's drawn, and it's replaced with Isabel and John instead of Eric and Dylan. Back in the police car, Isabel turns to Lois, the artist, the red-haired girl. They also saw the drawings, the ones of Isabel and John, the student that they were trying to allegedly kill, right, and the ones of Isabel and Adam Lanza that Lois drew all of this for, and Lois doesn't even seem that alarmed. She just says, oh yeah, I told them about that. I told them I was like, yeah, I did some weird drawings. Yeah, they made me tell them everything that was in the drawings. Ooh, can you remind me of the drawings?
35:16Isabelle Valdez:Let me just know what they went through. Like, did they comment on anything? Like, this is really good. Yeah, they said you're quite the artist and I was like, no, that's my friend Lois.
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38:46Isabelle Valdez:once they settle back down from giggling isabel looks at lois and she's like dude we were supposed
38:53Lois Lippert:to spread our story through around the tcc though what's tcc tcc is typically known as the true crime
38:59Isabelle Valdez:community but this is not this is not um like i know if you're watching this video you're like oh i've never heard of tcc there's a reason for it we're not talking about the redditors who are on Unsolved Mysteries, who are on 48 Hours, who are watching Dateline, going into rabbit holes. That's not what you typically refer to as TCC. TCC is more aligned with people who glorify mass murders, typically the ones that attack schools, to the point that it's almost synonymous with the Columbine community, which is basically Columbiners. To give you another example, I was falling into some weird rabbit holes.
39:33Isabelle Valdez:They're the ones that are making, you know the Vietnamese butcher case that we covered recently they're making fan romantic edits of the killer and the victim falling in love whilst in the act of the crime you could be listening to this podcast you could be watching dateline and never see a tcc edit in your lifetime on any of your algorithms because it's not there's not necessarily an overlap to give you an idea one person comments i remember when i was younger i tried to join tcc thinking it was internet sleuths but it was just a bunch of people saying mass shooters were hot, and I was very disappointed.
40:08Isabelle Valdez:Another one writes, The TCC is so fucking lame these days. I remember when people actually studied cases and had genuine interest in criminology. These days, it's just, ooh, I want XYZ murderer to breed me. They make edits of Adam Lanza saying, I love Adam. He's so silly and quirky. They like to justify killers and their actions with blanket statements like, But we all make mistakes. He was just being quirky. They'll edit killers with halos as if they're in heaven. Some of them will even go as far to write about how they think one of the killers, and I'm not going to name them specifically because I don't really care to name more than necessarily in this episode, but they write about how one of these random school attackers would make a good boyfriend because by the way, this is someone who killed over a dozen students, but they write first, I think he would be very clingy and affectionate.
40:57Isabelle Valdez:He literally wouldn't ever get his head turned by any other girl. He'd be so focused and set on his girlfriend. this is a positive and also maybe a negative it may be overwhelming and overbearing sometimes he'd be quirky for sure which I guess is a good thing depends on how you define quirky he would have very different interests I'm sure he would be very different from the usual guys that you would meet I think he would sometimes come off as aggressive and heated moments but then afterwards apologize profusely to his girlfriend in case he upset her I think personally speaking he'd be a nice boyfriend but it would take someone open-minded and caring to understand that he's different and different isn't necessarily bad.
41:33Isabelle Valdez:He's a mass killer. Another one writes on a picture of Dylan, one of the Columbine killers. I will never understand the girls that turned Dylan down because damn, I'd beg God on my knees to even be near him. Those girls don't even know how lucky they truly were. There's even Dilric shippers. These are Dylan and Eric shippers who, I can't believe these words are coming out of my mouth, who shipped Dylan and Eric, the Columbine killers. and then there's adam lanza who to bypass all of the algorithms on social media lots of people will do like hashtag adam lasagna which is what they call adam lanza and they post so that they don't get banned on these platforms he's the sandy hook shooter he killed 20 first graders and six educators and then self-exited when law enforcement arrived at the school one person writes whenever i think too hard about adam dying in the fetal position it makes me want to throw up he was seeking comfort and connection even in the very end despite denying himself of it in life.
42:30Isabelle Valdez:Are you fucking brain dead? Sometimes I think about who the person was to prepare Adam for cremation and if they treated his body with respect. It's going to sound freaky but I wish I could have had just a moment with his body not to do anything gross but just to feel how frail he was and how he would never had even had the chance to get better even if he didn't go through with his plan. Again, same killer who killed 26 people, 27 if you count his mother that he killed before going to Sandy Hook. He's also the one that had this very rambling video essay rant. It's like six hours long. It was miserable to get through.
43:06Isabelle Valdez:But he says, if you've ever known to have engaged in a pedophile relationship with a child, you're instantly in prison for prolonged periods. You're brutalized in prison and people actually celebrate that as if it's a good thing. And then if you're lucky enough to escape prison with your life, you're on a sex offender registry. You're possibly castrated. You're tracked with a GPS device in some instances. And there are just so many issues that PDF files that everyone seems to think it's not a problem at all. It's somehow justified that they're treated in that manner and you have to develop such extensive arguments just to refute that delusion that somehow having with children is harmful to them innately.
43:46Isabelle Valdez:Basically, he's a PDF file defender. and people are commenting he's so intelligent and cute he was so smart i miss him every second of my life i cry over adam at least twice a week isabel valdez was one of those people who liked adam lanza her facebook cover photo is a memorial banner for sandy hook which is a sign that reads sandy hook elementary school we will remember previously it was columbine high school heart Sandy Hook Elementary School. Her Facebook bio reads, gun safety advocate 12-13-2012, 28 dove emoji. 28 dove emoji, she's referring to Sandy Hook, and 28, that includes Adam Lanza, which nobody includes him in that count.
44:28Isabelle Valdez:Some people don't even include his mom in that count because they feel that she failed to get her son the help that he clearly needed and more or less gave him easy access to firearms but isabel is counting adam lanza 28 dove emoji according to police documents she tells the assistant principal that the morning that she's caught because of this whole tip like a few hours before she killed john that her victim is john because he's perfect he reminds her of adam lanza and that she heard voices telling her that if she kills john she and adam lanza would have this blood bond and it would bring adam lanza back to life the police report reads isabel went on to say that after she killed john she was going to make a blood ritual for adam lanza i asked isabel what was her intent when she said she was going to make a blood ritual isabel stated she was going to take the photos she brought of john place them against his body isabel stated that she was going to try and wipe john's blood you know even though he's bleeding and then she stated that she asked lois for an extra shirt so she could put it on John's body.
45:35Isabelle Valdez:No one knows what any of this means. Like this feels like the weirdest, bizarrely strung together crime. Isabel believes this blood ritual would show her devotion to Lanza. Isabel stated that she heard voices saying if she carried out killing John, Lanza's voice would come back to her. Isabel stated that she used to hear Adam Lanza's voice, but no longer does. And she misses Lanza's voice quite a bit. And it's disappointing that she never got that connection again. And she believes that if she kills John, Lanza would come back to her and she wouldn't be alone. Isabel advised that while she was sitting in class, one of her online friends pleaded with her not to follow through with her plan.
46:15Isabelle Valdez:But she was intent on killing John.
46:17Lois Lippert:So do we know what happened? Someone tipped the police and the police just showed up at the school and they...
46:24Isabelle Valdez:Yes, so someone tips the police and the administrators also get the same tip later. Isabel and Lois have already showed up at the school They're going through their classes as normal The whole plan is to take place after a second period But before then, they're like, we gotta sharpen the knife So they've already gone to the bathroom, scoped it out, tried sharpening the knife And then they went back to class Administrators get the tip and they're like, we gotta pull Isabel out of class
46:48Lois Lippert:How do they know it's Isabel?
46:49Isabelle Valdez:Because at the very end it said her government name, I think, is like Isabel, right? So they pull Isabel out of class They bring her into the administrator's office and the assistant principal is asking her a shit ton of questions before the police even get there. The police are on their way. They make it there and they arrest her and Lois.
47:05Lois Lippert:So they put Isabel out and Isabel just straight up started telling them everything.
47:09Isabelle Valdez:Yeah. And she's like, all this stuff is in my backpack.
47:12Lois Lippert:And I am going to kill him.
47:14Isabelle Valdez:Yeah. And she was like, because I wanted to bring back Adam Lanza. They immediately get placed in the back of the police car where for the next 30 minutes, they do damage that I don't think a defense attorney could ever undo.
47:26Lois Lippert:that's so crazy they have no do you believe they were going to go through with it yeah
47:35Isabelle Valdez:isbel even clarifies in her written statement to the police later that the whole blood oath because i mean not that it not that making sense would make it better or understandable or justifiable obviously not but it just it's so poorly executed and thought out it doesn't even make sense to people. So she's trying to clarify, well, the blood oath was going to happen because she was going to drink John's blood and then smear his blood on her body. That would be the blood oath. Even in her written statement, she writes like this. I was planning to possibly smear his blood on myself and or drink it.
48:08Isabelle Valdez:I wanted to take photos afterwards, then leave his body in the bathroom and give the camera SD card to Lois Lippert. I was going to do it because I heard voices telling me that if I did it to show my devotion, Adam would come back and speak to me like before heart she's writing hearts in this police written statement john also didn't do anything he had no interactions with isabel he never spoke with her there was no conflict they never fought like he is just picked as a victim purely because isabel felt like he looked like adam and that adam is isabel's soulmate the police report states that from september of 2025 to january of 2026 this said the span of a few months isabel has been diligently stalking john she's been taking pictures of him.
48:49Isabelle Valdez:Prosecutors eventually find over 200 photographs of John in Isabel's possession. According to the police report, I asked Isabel when she started taking the photos of John. September. I asked her, you know, where she was when she took all these photos and she said that they were all taken at school. She would wait in the areas where she knew that he would be and would sometimes go there and just take photos waiting for him to show up. She would wait for John to pass her and she never tried to make it known that she's taking pictures of him so he would have his back turned to her and she would take all these photos but it continues what did you do with the photos did you post them anywhere she's like yeah i posted them on my tiktok my tiktok
49:31Lois Lippert:handle is i love sandy hook you're kidding me in isabel's journal she's contemplating heavily
49:38Isabelle Valdez:whether or not john her classmate victim knows that she's obsessed with him and she's trying to work through her thoughts in a very weird fashion. It appears that she's passing notes with, I want to say Lois, most likely Lois, or it could be really any one of her other classmates. But Isabel writes, do you think he actually switched out of this class? Like, I feel like she wouldn't have even put the ticket. Like, maybe he's just skipping because I creeped him out. So she's like, is he skipping class because I creeped him out? Or did he switch out of this class because I creeped him out? And she's like, most likely he is.
50:10Isabelle Valdez:I doubt it. He doesn't even know my name i mean probably didn't even read it like i i just keep thinking i need to stop thinking he'll probably just avoid me because it wasn't that weird so we don't have any context but it's pretty clear that she's like oh i'm kind of creeping this guy out someone writes back on the note i honestly think he's just skipping but maybe he's in the process of getting something against you i hope he doesn't get a restraining order isabel writes no he would have already told his mom. I've been doing it for like two weeks. Most likely when he turns around sometimes. So this sounds like taking pictures.
50:43Isabelle Valdez:Like I do it when he's turned around. Isabel's friend writes back, but maybe he did notice all the other times you were following and filming him when he turned around like staring at us. No, like when I get personal shots when I'm alone, it's just when he's turned around. On our Tumblr account, Isabel used to write things about John. Like he smiles like Dylan, looks like Adam, is absolute perfection. He's the perfect example of what can be made. He looks like a doll. I adore him. I'm in the worst parasocial relationship with him and Fox has been drawing the art of us. I've been following him around and whatnot.
51:18Isabelle Valdez:But she tells the officers that she resisted killing him because, quote, I first came up with the plan approximately three months ago, but I resisted the urge to follow through with the plan and I would just tell myself I have to stop thinking like that but it clearly doesn't work because January 23rd 2026 she is arrested for trying to kill John that is where I leave you with the first audio part of this episode stay tuned for the second audio part it's coming ASAP but this is we're gonna go through the rest of the car ride the letter that Isabel writes to the judge they're almost excuses for why they did what they did and their deep obsession with everything we're gonna get into that in part two.
51:58Isabelle Valdez:Stay tuned and I'll see you in the next one. Stay safe.
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After being yanked out of class and arrested on their high school campus, 15 year old Isabelle Valdez and 14 year old Lois Lippert are thrown into the back of a cop car. For 30 minutes the girls are caught on the car’s dash cam giggling and completely unbothered.
At one point, Isabelle looks at her best friend, “Oh you trying to look good for your mugshot?” Lois excitedly responds, “Oh shit, am I going to get a mugshot?...This is such a bonding experience, I love it.”
The girls are basically acting like they’re going to be able to go home at the end of their “side quest.” After all, the police arrested them before they could even carry out their plan to murder a classmate, right?
Isabelle even comments that their plan was, “not a school shooting at least.” Lois agrees saying, “we’d be in prison for life.”
It’s true, the girls weren’t planning a school shooting. Instead, they were planning to stab and murder a classmate in a ritual they thought would resurrect an infamous elementary school mass killer back from the dead.
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