Top AI Scientist "Gone Mad" and Executes His Nephew In Front Of Courthouse

26:54The nickname Voldemort is not to shame the sisters that this happens to. It's more so like a description of their getting their souls and dreams sucked out of them slowly by their families. The shame is placed on the parents and obviously society, but the sisters are called Voldemorts because phonetically it, you know, can mean that. It's like kind of used sympathetically. So if you look at a girl who's given up everything for her brother, you might say like, oh, well, she hasn't had the best shot at life because she's a Voldemort. It's more like it's not really her choice. She could have done way better.

27:23It's just this is what happened. If anyone has the rights to this god-awful nickname, it's probably Chen's older sister. She's basically like grandfathered into this. It's a miserable, unlucky position to be in. Chen's family are from a really, really small town. They've got two kids, so they have Chen's older sister and Chen. They're only three years apart, which makes this even worse. Usually when the son is older, the parents come up with a bunch of palatable excuses like, oh, well, he's going to go to college first because he just got in, and we're going to save a lot of money for the next few years.

27:56So you can maybe go to college. Probably not. But when they're younger than you, it's like, well, no, you can't because we're saving the money for your little brother. Chen's family are day laborers, mainly doing farm work. Chen and his sister were also expected to help with, but they noticed that Chen would try to sneak away from work to read in a corner when he was a kid. Everybody noticed. Nobody got mad at him. They thought that this might be the start of a child who could get them out of this situation. Somehow, both the siblings were blessed academically. Chen's older sister ends up getting admitted into a Key Point High School, which Key Point High School is in China notoriously difficult to get into.

28:30Essentially, it's a pre-college admissions program. And just to give you a bunch of context, in the 70s and 80s, China did not have enough educational resources, but they wanted to compete with the rest of the world. How do you compete if you don't have elite talent pipelines? It's hard. The government decides they're going to concentrate a lot of their very limited educational resources into a small number of designated schools across the country. And they're going to skim from the top of every class. So this is why you have a high school entrance exam. That's why. Because in America, that doesn't make sense because it's like, wait, what do you mean?

29:05You go either private or public and public is based off your zip code, which there's already a lot of inequality there. But in China, now you have to take a test to get into the high school. and the high schools are ranked. So they take, skim the top of everyone in the country and throw them into the Keypoint High Schools. And that's to elevate them to become the elite talent pipeline. They still have to study really hard to get admitted into the colleges because now you're competing against everyone at all the other Keypoint High Schools in the country. The government actually renamed it to Model High School because Keypoint High School seemed a little rough on the ears, politically speaking.

29:42So they renamed it recently, but it seems like no one really calls it that. That's interesting. Yeah. They renamed it. Chen's sister places really well in the high school admissions test. She gets admitted into one of the province's Key Point high schools. This is huge, especially for students with lower income families that don't have a bunch of tutors. It's like nearly impossible. But because of the Key Point high school she gets into, it's a boarding school. Yeah, she has to board. They don't have the fee for boarding. and transportation to and from the school. Also, like the food she has to eat, like everything is going to add up.

30:18The family could maybe do it, but then they would have nothing in three years when Chen takes his high school admissions exam. And they also think he's going to get into a key point high school. So the family, it is said that they told the older sister, you do what you want to do and we're going to support any decision. But she knows, she knows what that means. Okay, everyone knows what that means. She doesn't go to high school. Yeah. She drops out after middle school, gets into odd jobs, working on farms, restaurants, factory work. And then three years later, it's Chen's turn. He does get into a Key Point high school and it is funded.

30:52A lot of the boarding costs are funded by his parents and his sister. And then with college, it's also funded by his sister and his parents. It would be justified if Chen's sister showed a lot of resentment for all of this, but she never does. And maybe she genuinely never felt it because it is reported that Chen showed a lot of gratitude. he was always showing how appreciative he is towards his sister so maybe that eased any potential resentment or tension she worked, put him through university he ends up at NPU which is like a military industrial university there's a total of seven universities that are called Seven Sons of National Defense in China mainly because those seven universities so all the other universities they report to the Ministry of Education but NPU and the other six universities they report to the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology.

31:43Really? Yeah. And they're good? Yeah, they're very good. But a lot of their major focus is like... Like military... Military defense. Yeah. Lots of like aerial sciences, lots of weapons, research. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. which he could only attend this school with his parents and his sister helping for the tuition. He doesn't take it lightly. It's said during the first four years, Chen holds himself to such high standards that he only did four things. Eat, sleep, walk to and from his room to the library and to class and study. That's it. Eat, sleep, transport and school. That's it. Nothing else.

32:26Basically, everything was just keeping him alive and everything was just studying. He consistently ranked in the top of his class in the university to the point where most students have to apply and take another test to attend grad school. But Chen was admitted offered a spot without taking a test. He didn't even need to apply. Which again, he wouldn't be if he was working and studying, but he's just studying and he feels like a lot of this is due to his sister. And grad school, he still has to pay for it. He gets a master's degree in image processing from the Department of Automatic Control and his sister helps pay for it.

32:58Now, essentially, image processing, the foundational technology is for guided weapons, drone perception, aerial reconnaissance, surveillance. It's very like defense engineering pipeline degree, which kind of fits NPU. That's what they're known for. From there, he gets into Cassia, which is like the Chinese. That's where they do the AI, you know, stuff. And then Tsinghua, then Cold Springs Lab in the US. and while he's doing that Chen's sister goes from sending money over to pay for all of his education to now now that he doesn't need the help and he's getting paid now she's um back in their hometown taking care of their elderly aging parents since Chen clearly doesn't have the time he's also in the United States he has a demanding job and now he has a wife and two kids and the promise like the unspoken promise nobody says it outright but the unspoken promise whether is that the sister is going to do all of this and Chen will do everything he can to help his sister later in life whenever she asks.

33:58And again, Chen does really, really, really well in his field. He's been granted a U.S. green card based off his outstanding contributions to science and then later he gets a U.S. citizenship. They purchase a house in Boston. He's even offered a position at, again, Cassia the Chinese Academy of Sciences. This is like the highest academic institution in the sector that he's working in. It's like the most prestigious. They collaborate closely with the government. They're the ones that helped create China's own Baidao navigation satellite system because, you know, U.S. sanctions. So China had to build its own like space station.

34:33They had to build like their own navigations. It's crazy. OK. And they're the ones that mainly did it. And so he gets this opportunity to go research there at this level. And it's huge. It's huge. So he's like, okay, I want to go back. I want to go there and do this. But his wife, Michelle, is like, well, no, I don't want to go to China. So we're not going to go there. So you can do research that you could maybe probably do here. So just figure out a way to do it here. Anyway, after the affair, originally the plan is for everybody's sake to keep the entire affair a secret. Chen and Michelle are going to get divorced, but they can give like some generic reason about schedules.

35:12He's in China. Yeah, maybe there's probably going to be rumors that he has like a mistress in China because that's usually what happens when these very vague reasons for divorce come out in their circles. But they could just say, no, our schedules were not matching up. It just didn't make sense. We were not seeing each other. We're not seeing eye to eye. As for Cohen, I mean, he's already in college. It's natural he's drifting away from his uncle and aunt. He's making his own friends. So it's not like he has to call his sister and be like, oh, yeah, Cohen did this today. Cohen hung out with me today.

35:39They're already living separate lives. So the whole plan is not even to tell Cohen's mom about what happened. Just tell nobody They haven't okay. I see that's the original plan But Cohen starts telling his mom what happened. He shares his version of events whether it be the truth It's hard to say we'll break it down in a second But he tells his mom back in China that his aunt Chen's wife seduced him and they were intimate for a while But he was so lonely. He didn't even really know what was happening It's like hard to understand. And she manipulated him into this really, really inappropriate affair.

36:12And when Chen found out, you know, his uncle found out, instead of protecting him, he throws Cohen out of the house, leaving him practically stranded in the United States with nobody he can reach out to, nobody to look after him. And like, sure, he's a college kid. But still, like this, this is his only link to an adult who might be able to help him. He's only been in the States for a few years. and now, now on top of that mom, Chen is threatening to get a restraining order out on me and Cohen is like, all I wanted to do was talk to my uncle about what happened and apologize and explain my side of the event but Chen is so hot-tempered, so upset, so jealous, so resentful, he threw me out of the house without hearing me out and told me that this is trespassing and he's gonna get a restraining order.

36:53With everyone finding out in the family about the real reason for the divorce, Chen is feeling probably humiliated but also there is this new pressure put on him from his sister she's upset because then at least the least you can do her theory is like the least you can do is help my son get a green card by bearing the aunt yeah i guess her like thought process is this is a woman who is 39 took advantage of my son who is 18 went into this new country where he knows nobody his entire life is now inside of this box which is probably his room inside of chen's family house and she is the adult. She's the one making decisions and she seduces him.

37:32She takes advantage of this, ruins his life, ruins the entire family relations. And of course, Chen divorces her. So the least she can do for basically repentance is to marry my son, give him a green card. Like this is what he should get out of the trauma, at least is kind of like her thought process in the theory. And but she's mad because she's like okay brother not only are you letting your ex-wife not marry my son because that's the least she can do after taking advantage of him because that's from her perspective is she brought it up to chen yes and chen say no yeah okay and on top of that she's like now you're trying to get a restraining order against my son which again jeopardizes his chances of getting a visa or green card the more appropriate way through work after he graduates because he's on a student visa and that's so much harder also to get like an h1b visa it's so difficult from her perspective she did everything from her brother and this is how he repays her for her one and only son she repeatedly calls chen telling him that you know cohen is young he's clearly been used and seduced by your ex-wife yes he acted foolishly but now that it's all said and done the least you guys can do is get him the green card it is unclear if this version of events is true though I can see how it is highly possible okay considering Michelle is the one in the position of power in this situation and I will stand on that I tend to agree that she's mostly the one at fault I get that Cohen is 19 I get that the affair started after he was 18 but he's in a very vulnerable situation where he's coming into a brand new place moving to a whole new country he doesn't speak the language he has no support system he thinks he's being taken care of in this home I can see how he is the most vulnerable in this situation though I do see some netizens saying Michelle might have been vulnerable because she's in a marriage where her husband is never home.

39:23She's left alone with the kids. Her entire identity is just being alone and raising the family without her husband. That's just speculation of what people think Michelle was going through. However, Michelle is also the one that reportedly wanted Chen to work in China a lot. It's been reported that she was not enthusiastic of a research opportunity that Chen received in China that he was really excited for. but she was enthusiastic of a lucrative business idea that he wanted to start a company in China. So some people are putting the blame on her and it's like well it's kind of your fault that he's not home because you wanted him to go start this company instead of just being satisfied with his research roles where he is probably doing greater good for humankind and society trying to find ways to prevent cancer even if it is using technology that people may not agree with.

40:11He might ultimately net neutral, like be saving lives at least. So there is that that people are like, well, you really have to be in China all the time. So that doesn't make any sense. Or if you really wanted, you can move to China with the kids. But regardless, there's a lot of back and forth. But I would say wholeheartedly out of the two, Michelle and Cohen, it's pretty clear the one who bears more responsibility, at least for the start and the continuation of the affair, is Michelle. She's 20 years older than Cohen, double his age. She's supposed to be his caretaker in the US, even though he is an adult, but still.

40:47However, there are new theories that have come out kind of out of nowhere. There are stories coming out that perhaps Cohen is the mastermind of this affair. Mainly, this is stemming from online forums with netizens who claim they went to high school with Cohen. One particularly well-circulating post, the netizen who claims to know Cohen says he is highly manipulative that during his high school years in china he just jumped from one girlfriend to another to another which is not inherently a bad thing however they believe that he was manipulating and using his girlfriends they claim that cohen had a whole group of guys in high school that looked up to him because they all wanted to be puas pickup artists yeah but in chinese context is like basically you're gaslight manipulator yeah yeah it's not like a good yeah get different girls like lying scheming and cheating is not below a pua it's it has a very strong negative connotation probably worse than america and they said that cohen would elect this is an allegation that's coming from like a random netizen post that he would film himself having intimate relations with girls and share it amongst the group of guys who also aspired to be puas but I don't know if this is true at all or if he just like would talk a big game because he's a high schooler and I think the only part that would be really alarming is if these videos were shared without anyone's consent or taken without anyone's consent also there are minors at that point so that's already concerning however I don't know how true this post is I mean there's really no verification process for this there's no way to authenticate it but it has since gone viral in China which is why a lot of Chinese netizens have kind of bought into this theory that maybe Michelle is not the one that started the affair.

42:30Not that they like Michelle. It seems most netizens don't like her, but maybe she's not the one that started the affair. I don't know how true that is. I still think Michelle should have known better, but the theory goes on in China that Michelle was not a fan of Cohen when he first got to the US. She was really annoyed that she has this task of taking on a full grown teenager that she's not even personally related to other than by marriage. He's a burden. she's probably not treating him the nicest and the netizens theorize that cohen seeing this feeling this he decides instead of being upset and treating her the same way he's just gonna woo her he starts changing his attitude showering her with compliments not thinking it was probably gonna lead to an affair that it was just gonna make her be nice to him but things snowball into an affair who's the one that should have stopped it probably michelle you get the idea people are spread it's a lot Others have been spreading even more bizarre theories online, stating that Cohen had a plan to come to the U.S.

43:26He knew that his uncle and aunt had a strained relationship because his mom would talk about it. That's an allegation. That's like a huge speculation. It's a rumor. It's not even an allegation. It's a fucking rumor that he just wanted to break up the parents so he could get his aunt, marry, for a green card. Now, I will say there's a little bit more nuance to this. I know everyone's like, oh, that's like a huge theory for Chinese netizens to come up with. like why would he marry his aunt for a green card it is a very tricky situation so when Chinese students come into the United States to study they all come on a student visa and getting a green card or getting citizenship is notoriously difficult of really anyone of any nationality when they come into the United States obviously like we see it on the news all the time but with Chinese students it's especially difficult because the people that they typically socialize with and form relationships, interpersonal relationships, and therefore maybe future marriages are also Chinese students who are more immersed in Chinese culture versus like Chinese Americans who might be American citizens, right?

44:28Or are American citizens. And so if they find each other, you kind of get these situations where you have now a couple in the US and they're both hoping that they can separately get H-1B visas, or at least one of them can and the other one can try to stay h1b is work visa yes which are very difficult and you have to have specialized skills in the industry and a lot of the industries that they're going into such as tech such as you know it's just like a very overpopulated industry of people trying to get h1b visas unless you're phenomenal at your job it's going to be very difficult and even if you are phenomenal at your job.

45:08It gives you a really limited sense of mobility because if you're an American citizen, you could work at Meta today and then Amazon tomorrow because they pay you more. But then you're kind of locked into a company for a very long time until you can find a way to get a different visa that's not dependent on your work. It's just, it's really hard. It's a really lengthy process. Visas are a huge deal to the point where I believe, because I was like talking to the a Chinese researcher about it. And she was saying like, even if you like go on dating websites in China, like in the US as a Chinese person, a lot of the Chinese students will indicate on their dating profile if they have a visa or if they don't.

45:48It changes the whole like factor of the relationship. So it's like a huge deal. So this is not just like a, let me marry my aunt and do something crazy for giggles. It's like a, maybe some people can wrap their minds around why he would do something. Not saying he did, but why this rumor gained legs and started running around. He would also be able to secure permanent residency from that point if he were to marry someone with U.S. citizenship. I don't know if that's the case. There's a lot of back and forth of rumors here. Technically, he is studying computer science at Northeastern University.

46:21He could technically apply for an H-1B visa. You know, again, difficult. Northeastern is not a top 10 school. It is ranked top 50 in the United States. It's an incredible university, okay? It's a good school. It's just like visas are fucking hard. I don't know what else to say. It's just so difficult. He may have a relatively okay chance at securing a visa, but it's not guaranteed. So the only way to guarantee a visa is to marry a US citizen. However, he goes to Northeastern. A lot of the girls that he probably would date are probably fellow Chinese students who are also trying to secure a visa.

46:57And then with Chinese Americans or even Americans of different cultures, it's not going to be as easy to mesh and click and try to because I don't know how proficient he is at English. It didn't seem like he had that much struggles, but you get what I'm saying. So maybe the easiest way would be to marry his aunt on paper for a few years.

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49:03Another theory is that Chen's older sister was never resentful of being Voldemort out loud, but maybe she expressed it to her son and in the privacy of her own nuclear family unit. So maybe she talked about it all the time with her brother and in front of her son, Cohen. Or maybe she said things like, oh yeah my brother got into Harvard at the Department of Statistics but it's all because of me he wouldn't have been able to do it without me because I paid his way through college so perhaps she felt like he was living the life that she was owed and Cohen soaking in all of these statements throughout his years of development he decided that his uncle really just owes him things is what a lot of Chinese netizens suspect and this is coming from I think a lot of cultural nuance that they probably have in this case that we don't have as much in the United States.

49:51So they're saying like, we've seen situations like this, where sisters will openly talk about it in front of their kids, talk about their uncles and say these types of things, or they feel like they need to be repaid. So maybe for that reason, they felt it was entirely reasonable for Michelle to marry Cohen for the green card. But again, these are just internet theories and rumors. There's really nothing that we can be certain about. And Cohen is no longer here to defend himself against such rumors and allegations which makes the waters much murkier here but one of cohen's old roommates has done a few interviews where he states at least from his perspective he thought cohen was scared of his uncle yeah he says cohen was telling him that he's scared that his uncle is gonna break in one day and kill him and obviously the roommate is like i also live here so now i'm scared too this is after the affair yeah the uncle found out so the roommate is like but you know at the end of the day i felt like it was him being paranoid and maybe chen's resume played a role into it because i i also think like subconsciously i'd be like he's trying to like he's studying cell biology for cancer like maybe he's not gonna kill you like i don't know for the affair itself there are people who blame michelle and only michelle there are people who blame cohen and only cohen and then there are people probably the majority of people who feel like it's just probably all around a tricky situation mainly falling on michelle but also is cohen as innocent as people think he is innocent in the ethical and moral sense not in the illegal criminal sense because after all of this after the affair is found out by chen and cohen goes back to his dorm it's said that he would um he would show up to the house a lot whose house chen and michelle's house who's living there right now so chen ends up moving back in because of this so when it was just michelle and the kids it said that cohen would show up a lot and like trespass onto their property trying to talk to michelle he allegedly would also non-stop send messages to michelle he would show up to the church that she goes to he says that he just wants to talk to her and just talk that's it but the messages he sends are far more threatening than just talking he tells her that he's going to kill her entire family what yeah but it's like not just i'm gonna kill your entire family it's like if i'm not gonna kill your entire family i'm going to self-exit so i'm not entirely sure what the energy of that type of text message is but it's not or yeah either or either i'm gonna kill you all or i'm gonna kill myself yeah basically yeah so this is very alarming for chen and that is when he ends up moving back into the family house he's not trying to get back together with michelle so this is not like a let's try again type of thing it's more like hey my kids are in here so i i'm scared for my kids that's why he had the restraining order right yes so he ends up getting a restraining order and they end up drawing the line for this restraining order so it seems like there were multiple incidences where they didn't think it was far enough to get a restraining order but they finally do it once cohen allegedly shows up at the children's elementary school waiting for Michelle to come pick them up so that he can catch Michelle and talk to Michelle.

53:01So there are allegations that Cohen would show up to the house and just like peer through the windows until they would open up, which they would never open the door. Just a lot, a lot. It's also said that Cohen started demanding that his uncle Chen find him someone to marry. If Michelle is not going to marry him, the least you can do is get me a green card or else I'm going to tell everyone online about what happened. Where's our report coming from? from what they alleged happened in order to get this restraining order. This is directly from Chen, reported to the police. No, so he's reporting it to his attorney, and the attorney is summarizing this for the judge.

53:38However, there is text message evidence, but in terms of like, we did try to FOI at this case. It's still pending, so they didn't give us any files. But I don't know if we have the exact evidence for that. but this is what he told his attorney and the attorney told the judge and a restraining order was granted so he's saying that i just want permanent residency find me someone to marry and chen is like okay i'm not someone who runs in those circles i'm sure there are people out there who will find someone who would arrange an illegal and unethical deal where you pay money and marry someone for a green card right but he doesn't know these people and also he thinks what nerve does Cohen have to not only like what leg do you have to stand on to make these demands after everything that's transpired like maybe he could make these demands to Michelle but to Chen he feels like this is kind of crazy it's also been reported that in one heated confrontation Cohen beat up Chen and put him in a headlock it's unclear if this happened it's unclear if Chen attacked him first everything is kind of unclear but it seems that it seems like there was definitely something going on Chen and Michelle end up filing a restraining order against Cohen in late 2020, and one of the screenshots of the threatening messages sent to Michelle from Cohen was submitted as evidence.

54:51He's texting his aunt saying things like, If I don't kill your entire family, I'm going to self-exit. Great, this is just too fucking amazing. My future has been ruined by you. You ruined everything for me. She goes, Ruined by me? And he responds, Now I'm the walking dead with zero dignity left. in 2020 the court not only issues a restraining order but because of the threats of self-exit in the messages um that's a cause for concern for the courts they decide to hospitalize cohen and put him on a self-exit watch for a few days which does not make cohen feel better about his uncle and aunt after the restraining order is filed it said that cohen felt even more wronged by the whole hospital stint everything because all of these things are probably going to they're not going to help his chances of getting a green card because you know these are all going to be in probably the i don't know how much of the hospitalization stay will be i don't know if it would be recorded as just he was hospitalized because he was sectioned for it so it is you know but i don't know if like i don't think they're going to get reports because that's a hipaa violation but i think it would probably show up and so any violation of this restraining order would result in a criminal record which would ruin any and all chance he would have at applying for a visa or green card in the near future.

56:05So with all of that going on, Chen's dad passes away. So in the midst of all of this, Chen's dad passes away. Just, yeah. And then it's just their mother left. And with nothing left to argue about, Chen's sister allegedly threatens Chen. If you don't help my son get a green card, I'm going to abandon our mother. I'm going to leave her. Like, I'm just not going to take care of her. What are you going to do? You're barely in our hometown. When you come to China, you're like working in the big city. What are you going to do? Like all of that is going to be on you. It is said that under all of this alleged pressure, Chen's mental state starts crumbling.

56:37The only mental protection he has is knowing that Cohen, the only thing he cares most about is staying in the United States. So he's not going to break that restraining order as long as it's in place. The order is only valid for one and a half years and the court will then have to decide whether or not they need to extend it. For the one and a half years that it is in place, Chen's life is a living hell from the constant pressures. but still this is kind of his only saving grace. His company in China is suffering because of his frequent absences. He's stressed non-stop about his kids' safety. He's trapped in this house with his ex-wife and it's just he has to face and confront the affair every day because again it happened in the house and I was actually on Reddit and a lot of people whose partners have had affairs say it's actually so detrimental to find them in the house.

57:29Like they're saying they think the trauma of the affair would be slashed in half had it never taken place in the house. Because it's like such your safe space that now feels so dirty. And they say that everything, every room reminds you of the affair. And so I wonder if that did something to his psyche. Not that it would excuse anything. You're on top of that from your families. And so his very stable, envy-inducing life, where his work is actually producing some sort of, hopefully, net positive purpose for humankind, is just gone. April 7th, 2022, they're at Cambridge District Court in Medford, Massachusetts, to attend a hearing on whether or not they should extend the restraining order against Cohen.

58:13during the restraining order chen says he strangled me physically attacked me went to elementary school to find my child without permission attempted to enter my house on several occasions would show up unannounced late at night and just hide lingering outside the windows cohen was there he testified before the judge and he says i think it's a good time for both the parties to move on i think for me i have been like working very hard on myself i've totally moved on on this matter and I even moved away from where I lived previously. I live with my church friends now. Ultimately, the judge states that they did not see any grounds on extending the restraining order.

58:48The judge states, with the defendant having moved, it seems that the likelihood that they're going to encounter each other in their everyday lives is much diminished. I haven't seen a significant change in the circumstances or the need for the order. With the restraining order being lifted, this meant that there is no longer any restriction on Cohen coming near them, near their property, contacting them, going to their children's schools. Their session was the last session in court that day. Some people speculate that the judge just wanted to get out of there. That's a huge speculation, but after the last session, everyone is slowly leaving the courthouse.

59:20As they're leaving, William Barbino, who is Chen's attorney, is, you know, making sure Chen is okay, and he's thanking his attorney, and Chen's like, I'll be fine, and he's like, thank you, thank you, like, I'm just gonna go home. Michelle is not there, by the way. So Chen, he exits the courthouse, walked towards the parking lot, gets to his car, and he's clearly not fine because he steps into the parking lot and he makes eye contact with Cohen. And it's said that in that moment, something happens. It's hard to say what, but people think that maybe he looked at Cohen and saw something in his eyes that indicated like a promise of like, I'm going to keep harassing you.

59:55But maybe it was a snarky look. Maybe it was Nothing. Maybe he looked at the back of Cohen's head and was like, no, I can't do this. I don't know. We like genuine. There's no way of knowing what went on in his mind at that moment. But he decides to ram his car into Cohen and then get out the car and shoot him. Oh, so he brought a gun, though. Yeah, but he does have a license to carry. Oh, OK. Yeah, a concealed carry permit, I believe. There will be a huge argument. Is it premeditated versus? Yeah, that's a huge thing right now. So the fact that he has that permit makes it harder to prove premeditation.

1:00:33I think even, you know, even to argue it's a crime of passion is difficult. Some would say it would perhaps be more applicable if he had killed him in bed when he found the affair. But I would say that this is actually a pretty solid argument that could have a back and forth of crime of passion because it is after the restraining order was denied. and his safety, he feels like he needs to protect some sort of safety for himself, his ex-wife and his kids maybe, perhaps, could be an argument, I'm not entirely sure, but he does get into the car, ram into Cohen's body, and shoots him five to six times.

1:01:08And 23-year-old Cohen is killed. Chen's attorney says he thought he heard construction noises, like the ramming of the car, and he went outside, and that's when he realized, he said, I went in. He sees Chen with the gun, So he's like, I just, I went in. I just kind of put my knee on his back. So he sees the police. He sees that that's his client. He's like, I mean, I would assume that the police want my client. Okay, want to restrain him. So he's like, I just went in, put my knee on his back, kind of rubbed his back a little bit, just kind of comforting him, I guess. Wait, so he went in. The cops were standing by just watching with their gun?

1:01:41Yeah, I think they were trying to assess how. How to approach. Yeah. The attorney just charged. Yeah. Yeah, I don't think he charged, but more so like, you know, was like approaching calmly so that he didn't startle Chen. And then he just put him on the ground. Chen went down without a fight. And he said, I just kind of looked over there and there was a dead body and my client here. And I knew the police would want to have him. So I just kind of held him there. He says about the restraining order and this whole situation, he says, is really sad. I mean, Chen was so gentle. Chen was so kind. He didn't have any history of violence.

1:02:18He never had a restraining order. against him. He never had any allegations of physical abuse. He grew up in China originally. He got his PhD there. It was in statistics. I mean, he's a bright guy. He was basically number one in all of his scholastics, all his education. Then he went over to postdoc at Harvard in statistics. He has two children. I know he loves his children very much. There's going to be two children at home who do not have a dad if in fact he's the killer, which, you know, he's a lawyer. So he has to say that. And he goes to the jail for the rest of his life. He was very kind and pleasant and timely and decent and just like the type of guy you always want working next to you.

1:02:55You know what I mean? I mean, it's emotional. It's powerful stuff. It just really affected him, apparently, more than I could see. I knew it affected him clearly, but it affected him obviously a great deal. The DA states, We know the restraining order was not renewed. We don't know if that was the reason for whatever happened outside the courthouse. He was arrested. he was denied bail. And it's going to be very interesting considering a lot of the public sentiment actually seems to be in favor of Chen. A lot of people also have this... Oh, it's ongoing still? Yeah, so he... And it's just very messy.

1:03:27I think a lot of the public sentiment comes from clearly his resume. Clearly his track record of no criminal history and his resume of doing such high-level research in fields that, again, could probably ultimately end up helping people and his very docile demeanor and further I think a lot of people have frustration on the restraining order process in the United States of how it's almost like never never given out how it's never really upheld how the police don't really care until the restraining order is broken which at that point like where is the harm done probably everywhere so a lot of people they side with Chen they think that he actually was someone who was driven into madness by relentless pressure by everyone around him one person says I really sympathize with Dr.

1:04:16Chen hope he receives a lenient sentence so he can return to a peaceful life others you know think that he should what he was doing for humans was probably way more important so they think like we should just let him out they're like he's probably he's not like a spree killer he's probably not going to go out and like randomly kill another person. Not that he killed, you know. Others say, well, he's got to lay in his bed. He made it. He's got to lay in his bed. They think that Chen's biggest mistake was, quote, he married the wrong woman and ruined his entire life. Others lament on the fact that Chen could have actually done a big service to society, saying, this is so sad.

1:04:54I truly feel sorry for him. He could have had a brilliant future. Others blame the court, saying the court refused to extend the restraining order to his nephew. The court implicitly made this happen. Others say, bless this guy. He was just trying to protect his family against his crazy relative. During the arraignment, he was in court. He looks, I mean, he bears like zero resemblance to the Chen everyone knew. He looks like he's having a full mental breakdown. He looks disheveled. He looks like, I don't think he was, but he looks like he's been sedated. He looks like he's been dragged into court.

1:05:24Like his hair is a mess. He is kind of in like a hospital gown. So I don't know if he's been sedated, but it looks like he could have been. he has pled not guilty to murder and armed assault the judge ordered chen be held without bail michelle was present in the courtroom she was visibly distraught she did wave goodbye to him as he was being taken away so it is going to be interesting now he has a new attorney because this is now a very serious criminal case and his new attorney has stated my client was seeking a restraining order against the person that is now being described as the victim there is a lot of investigation that has to happen to understand who and why things happen the way they did chen has gone from a very well-respected cancer researcher to now being on trial for murder what are your thoughts on this case yeah his sister there was a um in 2025 a wrongful death suit filed on behalf of cohen's estate so i would imagine his mother is heavily involved in that against Chen and it has been settled it has been like just yeah so it doesn't seem like it's settled I don't think that there was an exchange of any um payment or damages paid it's just been dropped yeah wow this is man yeah yeah but I think um maybe the trial will be enlightening in the sense we can actually get some real answers i do think that there is a huge role that michelle played in all of this i think there are really only just rumors of how much of a role cohen played i think it would be interesting to see all of the evidence come out of whether or not he was extensively stalking them because there are some rumors on chinese social media people saying maybe this was michelle trying to lure her husband ex-husband back by creating this like i guess potential threat to safety.

1:07:22So there's, you know, like, I guess questions of how scary was this restraining order against Cohen even as scary as people think it is. Like, I guess there's that rumor. So we don't know, and I think that is it's gonna be a huge point of contention. What are your thoughts? Let me know in the comments. Be safe, and I will see you in the next one.

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