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26:26Talia:John Nethers quotes Nietzsche in one of his captions. And it's not even one of his good quotes either. It's just, I am a forest and a night of dark trees, but he who is not afraid of my darkness will find banks full of roses under my cypresses. I mean, it's as straightforward of a Nietzsche quote as you can actually get. Like some of his quotes, they're misinterpreted, like God is dead or whatever. But this one is pretty straightforward. It just means that as one can appear very gloomy and intimidating, Nietzsche himself, he writes in a very strongly masculine and aggressive way that alienates a lot of people.

27:03Talia:It's probably why he's kind of one of the more misunderstood philosophers regardless but he is almost indicating that if you can get past that there is some light and warmth inside cypresses are also often symbols of death and mourning so saying like once you get past the cypresses there are rose bushes underneath the cypresses is kind of and roses are a constant symbol of beauty love and tenderness so it's it's that basically saying whoever has the courage to enter my darkness right uh you're gonna realize that I'm filled with unexpected warmth and beauty inside. I don't think that's hardly the case at all for John Nethers.

27:40Talia:His Instagram is like a portfolio with mostly uploaded pictures being models or photo shoots. And it never looks like a very personal look into his life. But even with these seemingly professional shot and edited pictures, he often pairs them with these cheesy little captions. I guess he thinks he's being quirky. I don't know. One reads, haters gonna hate, but goddamn if 1 % milk doesn't do a body good. I don't know if this is like a big against big oat, big almond. I don't

28:09Banafsheh K. Khosravi:know who he's got beef with, but another one reads, his wannabe boudoir photos.

28:17Talia:Yeah. Another one is some of you need to make sure you're wearing your latex masks. You know who you are, Karen's of the world. So I don't know if this is him trying to reference condoms or who knows. it's kind of the off-brand humor where one tries to be quirky but it just comes off like slightly aggressive and dense another instagram post is of a girl with a black veil on top of her head john captions it i keep having dreams that i'm doing laundry and i have to pay a it's a slur used for um little people to keep an eye out for sock thieves and then i saw another insert slur looking in the window wearing a black mask little bastards have a racket going on and my dream bank account is shrinking.

29:01Talia:See, it's so off-brand. It doesn't make any sense. There's no point. There's no punchline. It's not even just bad humor. It's like, frankly, dumb humor. It's not even witty and bad. It's just bad. I don't understand what it is. Another picture is of a girl who appears to be on the beach and you just see her back. The caption reads, today's life lesson never leave post-it notes in the cheese stick section that say dairy dildos and again i think the juxtaposition of these wannabe funny captions with women's pictures of them where they are semi or fully nude i think just goes to show like he's not a photographer that wants women to feel empowered it's also just not professional he also makes edgy jokes that he probably thinks are politically sharp-witted but it's just devastatingly unoriginal and mediocre he posts a very very sensual picture of a woman lying on her back, barely covering her chest.

29:56Talia:And the caption to that reads, I now identify as a spoon. So this is probably some sort of dig at people who you get it. And he says, from now on, you must acknowledge me as Sir Spoon as you grovel upon my feet or you will hurt my feelings and force me into my safe space. Another caption. Why is there a thing named grapefruit when there's a fruit named grape already? Hashtag woke AF. Another reads, I wish I could have been born with octopus arms and a bigger mouth. Just imagine the possibilities. Heart eye emoji. You get the idea. He seems insufferable to be around. But as we were scrolling and subconsciously rolling our eyes at the same time, we started seeing this very bizarre trend on his Instagram.

30:37Talia:And at first we thought it was strange, but it's not the most alarming thing. Then we go on Reddit and it's like, okay, well, cheesecake can refer to pinup styles. We don't see any pinup-esque photos, but maybe he just like inherited this term for soft core looks and he got it from his grandpa and just adapted it. But it just doesn't feel like that because the captions don't make any sense. There's this one picture of a woman modeling and it looks like she's in some sort of abandoned house perhaps. The caption reads, I just found out IHOP has cheesecake pancakes. What the fuck? How have I missed this?

31:11Talia:So this seems like an innocent genuine thought about the food about cheesecake pancakes but the cheesecake fixation just keeps growing like it started to get alarming like after the first five we were thinking okay maybe we should write some of these down because it's weird one modeling picture shows a girl and her eyes are kind of zoned out they're out of focus her um she's covered in black lace her mouth is open and it's a very haunting sensual photo i guess is the vibe that he's going for but the caption reads i've decided to start going to the Cheesecake Factory while wearing a different disguise so I can lie and say it's my birthday to get free cheesecake.

31:45Talia:Now I just need to find a dude with a hairy back so I can get supplies for my mustache. Okay, that offbeat humor, but you know, more references to cheesecake, not alarming quite yet. We keep scrolling. Another one reads, so there I was, balls deep in a slice of salted caramel cheesecake, when suddenly I woke up and realized it was a dream and I haven't had cheesecake in months. Why is the world so cruel? It's just, I mean, if he has this fixation on cheesecakes, I was assuming he's eating cheesecake once a week, right? He wants to go to Cheesecake Factory and pretend it's his birthday. I would imagine he gets like Costco frozen cheesecake that he puts in his freezer.

32:23Talia:Then another picture where he puts a picture of a man staring hauntingly into the camera. The caption reads, someone told me today that people who don't like cheesecake are unfollowing me.

32:33Banafsheh K. Khosravi:He shoots photos of men too.

32:35Talia:Barely. And they're all fully clothed. It's like men at a billiards table, pool table in a suit, right? And he says, someone told me today that people who don't like cheesecake are unfollowing me. Well, to those people who unfollowed me and won't see this post as a result, I haven't something to say to you. thanks there's more for me now smiley face emoji okay that i thought that was weird one shows a girl in water it looks like her hair is covering her mouth almost like a piece of duct tape it looks like she's barely alive and i get that's probably the creative point she looks like her body has been found washed ashore in like a thriller book it's clearly not a real picture of death but that's the vibe it gives and the caption reads the beginning of the end is almost nearly over.

33:24Talia:You better get your shit together and bring me cheesecake before it's too late. Another shows a girl standing in the forest with her hair covering her face. The caption reads, Since adulting is now a word, then don't touch my cheesecake or I'll cut you is now a word. Perhaps this hyper fixation on cheesecake is just getting weirder, weirder. Another caption, Sometimes I wrestle my inner demons and sometimes we hug and eat cheesecake. I'm a hugger, not a fighter. Then another, I was just asked if I wanted normal or organic cheesecake. Clearly, I don't want cheesecake with grass growing out of it.

33:55Talia:Rolling eyes emoji. Okay, so this one, I'm like, it's kind of weird. Yeah. I don't know, but it was the feeling we were getting. It was the feeling. Then another with a girl wearing a black corset looking into the distance and the caption reads, the hills are alive with the sound of cheesecake.

34:20Talia:then another picture of a girl laying up against the ground and she's wearing black lace and a corset her hair is covering her face and the caption reads i've decided to open a private one-person restaurant in my tree house that only serves cheesecake i'm going to be the best customer i've ever had and make millions heart eye emoji yeah i mean this is really obvious what she's trying to play he was i mean c sam charges right so make millions cheesecake restaurant it's uh

34:52Banafsheh K. Khosravi:it's starting to feel like he's just posting it in public yes posting it in public there's actually

34:59Talia:well we'll get there but it gets worse there's another picture of a girl she's pulled a black lace veil over her head and the caption reads clearly my new cheesecake filtration system is working fabulously, which if the lace is the filtration system, then that would make whoever is in the photo, the cheesecake, or is this like a completely unrelated caption? Another one shows a girl laying on what appears to be a glass coffee table. And it's almost like if he took different pictures of her because her body was pressed against the glass coffee table. You don't see it, but it insinuates that she's nude and then overlaid 10 different shots.

35:37Talia:It's like 10 different arms and they all have that very sensual look to it. She appears nude and the caption reads who let the cheesecake out? At this point we're starting to get the feeling that he's not just fixated on the dessert. In fact we're starting to wonder if he was ever even talking about the dessert to begin with. It's just an abnormal almost unhealthy amount of conversation about cheesecakes. It feels like there's a lot more captions about cheesecake than just anything else and all of the captions are accompanied by his professional photography shots of typically young ladies who are not fully clothed or are fully clothed, but have dark elements of being bound, covered, eyes unfocused, and just back to back captions.

36:19Talia:If I had a cheesecake, I would eat it in the morning. I would eat it in the evening all over this land. Another, there was a boy who had a dog and a cheesecake was his name and cheesecake was his name. Oh, also he's charged with sexual activities with animals.

36:34Banafsheh K. Khosravi:What?

36:35Talia:Yeah, we'll get to the charges. Then another caption. And okay, it's official, people. I'm swearing off cheesecake. Wait, no, nevermind. False alarm. Go about your business. Nothing to see here. Move along. Another. I think someone should invent cheesecake-flavored coffee creamer. Then I could have my cake and eat and drink it too. The fuck is Thomas Edison when you need him? I wish Willy Wonka had a cheesecake factory. I would totally be one of the spoiled kids that he massacred. Oompa Loompa, doopity-doo. Sometimes I feel like I've got to run away. I've got to eat some cheesecake. The only thing I love more than a fine slice of cheesecake is a warm and delicious morning sunset.

37:08Talia:The moment when you realize they stopped asking for your name for reservations at the Cheesecake Factory because you're there more than they are, big eye shy face emoji. I thought for an entire month that I was going to die. Turns out I just needed to eat some cheesecake. I'm not antisocial. It's just hard to talk with a mouthful of delicious cheesecake. And then there is a picture of a topless woman in bed. You cannot see her face, but it's a very intimate photo. And the caption reads, I just, I really just want cheesecake for Christmas. Not that you care. Then a cryptic picture of an arm hanging off the bed or like out of a tub.

37:43Talia:You just really see the arm. And it says, Sometimes beauty is served best without words. Thank God my mouth is full of cheesecake. And my mama said it's rude to talk with your mouth full. There's another, a picture of someone underwater with their arms tied, covering their ears. And the caption reads, I don't always hear voices, but when I do, they say, eat more cheesecake. Another nude photo of a model. This model is drop-dead gorgeous, but you know what else is drop-dead gorgeous? Cheesecake dripping in hot fudge, fresh strawberries, and enough chocolate syrup to grant you serious Hail Marys in church on Sunday.

38:15Banafsheh K. Khosravi:How many are there?

38:17Talia:It's just non-stop. Non-stop. Like, in what world would it be feasible that this man is still talking about the dessert, that he's just talking about just cheesecake? there's another picture that includes a girl just staring into the camera and the caption reads i keep forgetting if i brush my teeth today and so i go and brush them to be safe i've probably brushed them 20 times already but at least i can still eat cheesecake and then this is one that we because you know i was scrolling with everyone and sometimes you know i over read into things and i don't want to be that person and i'm talking to the team about it and this is a caption that we all pointed out was very odd just individually it's it's about cheesecake it reads i will never agree to eating pie instead of cheesecake again.

38:59Talia:Pie, more like Satan's sweaty old armpit boogers. So if this was, I mean, this is a valid opinion about desserts that people have. Usually people tend to prefer cheesecake over pie, but the fact that none of this feels like he's referencing the actual dessert, and again, maybe we are all thinking too deeply into it, but it's just alarming. None of these captions are accompanied by a single picture of actual cheesecake. He does have a picture of cheesecake from years and years ago, a picture of the actual cheesecake dessert. But these pictures, the captions that I just read, they're all of girls partially clothed and with these very obsessive captions about cheesecake and his love for cheesecake, such as maybe if I put a taser in my pants, every time I think about cheesecake, it would make me think twice.

39:46Yeah.

39:48Talia:And then another one that was not about cheesecake, but was equally alarming was a picture and it's just the silhouette of a girl standing on a deserted beach at night. The caption reads, I hate being an adult. They look at me crazy when I hold my birthday party at Chuck E. Cheese every Saturday. So we started taking down notes of all the cheesecake references, trying to cross reference with anything online that's being sold or suggested with the use of cheesecake. We just wanted to make sure and thankfully there was really no other references that we could find at least on the socially acceptable platforms we were on.

40:24Talia:Just to give you some transparency, we're talking about X, Reddit, online. I'm not, we did not go on Telegram and try to infiltrate group chats and ask for cheesecake. There was not even people referring to it as some sort of coded language. So obviously you're not going to, I mean, hopefully you're not going to find any sort of illegal material on any of these social media pages, but you'll still see people referencing to that coded language, such as cheese pizza. That's a huge thing. And for example, coded language is huge. In the Epstein files, there's a lot of random words that are used that seem out of context, a tad bit strange.

41:00Talia:You keep rereading the same sentence, hoping your reading comprehension has not abandoned you after all these years. Ultimately, the sentence just doesn't make any sense. It feels like they're talking about something else than what they're actually talking about. Someone sends Epstein an email that reads, I take higher risk in order to have higher return. What has your best student achieved so far? Epstein's not a professor, but he responds, bliss. The deal was worth it. Whoever this person is emails Epstein back saying they had a good time, but Epstein says, not good enough. Making happy is cheap, like sweet candy.

41:34Talia:It has to get you thinking, otherwise it'll all fade quickly. They ask Epstein, so girls are like candy? Epstein says, everything is like candy. They respond back to Epstein. You're having too much candy. You want more and more and you get bored by the taste easier and faster. It's a vicious cycle. That is not a question. It's a conclusion. To which he says, if you don't like candy, it's better to spit it out and try another. You should go back to being a student and stop attempting to philosophize. It's childish. And they respond, I am being a student. So a student of Epstein's has achieved bliss and it's superior than just being happy and having a good time because being happy is cheap.

42:09Talia:Cheap like sweet candy, but also girls are like candy, the more candy you eat, the more prone you are to becoming bored of said candy. It's pretty clear that we're not talking about candy. But it's also not like we can just go ask Epstein to confirm or deny considering he had a nasty run-in with his bedsheets that we're supposed to believe. And Maxwell, who should be rotting in Max hell, but she's just sitting in minimum security. She's not exactly a forthcoming type. So the following examples of coded language in the Epstein files are just speculations. People believe the word sauce was used by Epstein and company to describe orgies.

42:42Talia:Walnut, allegedly for people of color. Hot dog, allegedly for little boys. Ice cream, allegedly for male sex workers. Shrimp, allegedly for little boys. And while all of these are speculatory, it is kind of strange that all these words appear quite a bit and in a way that feels out of context. Some also say that grape soda appears to either be group sex, so grape soda GS because kind of like taking the two letters of the words like cheese pizza. Epstein's urologist apparently emailed him saying, you have refills available for ED pills. Call them back. After you use them, wash your hands and let's go get pizza and grape soda.

43:23Talia:Another email to Epstein reads, this is better than Chinese cookie. Let's go for pizza and grape soda again. Which pizza? Are they saying like cheese pizza? Are they saying regular pizza? Are they just talking about the food pizza? They say, let's go for pizza and grape soda again. No one else can understand. Another example, one Epstein document shows a picture of a baby. They refer to that baby as shrimp, and the baby is in the sink holding cocktail sauce. The file reads, I mean, the attached email reads, some are like shrimp. You throw away the head and keep the body, which again, makes zero sense if you take the sentence at face value.

43:57Talia:The word map has also been mentioned apparently over 5 ,000 times in the Epstein files, and MAP has been more or less recently defined by PDF files themselves, confirming that they use MAPs to define a minor attracted person, which is what they self-identify as that nobody fucking respects. They're just PDF files. In another email with the subject, cream cheese baby, somebody emails Epstein, do you want veggie cream cheese tomorrow? I would go look for it now. To which Epstein responds rather strangely, there are millions of babies, Very little good vegetable cream cheese Which is a very odd I mean is he trying to make some sort of It's kind of like the John Nether's weird Wannabe quirky post Where are you just making some sort of What you think is a witty Sharp little comparison That is haha so unexpected Or are we talking about Vegetable cream cheese with babies Like are they a type of baby Is what some people online speculate It feels like coded language right in our face like cheese pizza.

45:01Talia:Cheese pizza is probably the most well-known coded term standing for the now outdated term CP. In fact, if you type in cheese pizza into X, many of the searches are not going to be for the dish created by Italians that has been desecrated by the Americans. It is in reference to CSAM material, not CSAM material or trying to purchase it or sell it, but just talking about like, oh, cheese pizza was found on someone's computer, right? Like it's used in that term. In the Epstein files, the word pizza appears 859 times and the word cheese appears 1138 times. But it's not always used together as cheese pizza.

45:36Talia:In fact, there seems to be more, like quite a bit more references to cream cheese. So not cheesecake, but cream cheese. In cream cheese, is cream cheese code for something? Is cheesecake code for something?

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49:00Talia:Back to John Nethers' Instagram page. There's one picture of a girl on her knees. her elbows are on the ground in a potentially suggestive pose the caption reads i feel as though there's too much cheesecake in the world and not enough time to eat it maybe i need a partner in crime fuck that i don't share again if you love cheesecake so much why would you want to ever share your slice of actual dessert another picture of a girl with her hair all over her face it reads if i was a ninja i would disguise myself well enough to eat as many slices of cheesecake as I wanted without anyone knowing. Then there is a seemingly nude individual holding onto a paper lamp covering their private parts.

49:41Talia:So you don't see their face, you don't see their chest, but, or they're down there, but it seems like they are nude. And the caption reads, The fuck am I going to find a pastor on such short notice? All this cheesecake isn't going to marry itself.

49:56Banafsheh K. Khosravi:Yeah, yeah, that's...

49:59Talia:Then another picture of a girl in the bath with lace covering her eyes. She appears to not be wearing any clothing. And the caption reads, I've decided today that my next wife will be a cheesecake cupcake. Till death do us part. Devil emoji, skull emoji. The individual in the picture was unclothed in the bathtub when this was taken. You really only see her lips in the picture. the rest of her face is covered with black lace and you don't see her body thankfully. But she was not clothed and she was not of age. This is a heavily edited picture of Talia that was taken by John Nethers in the years that she was being abused and that had been posted to his account.

50:49Talia:Talia says she remembers that picture being taken. She says it was at his first apartment when we moved out. I remember he basically told me to strip naked, put a little mask over my head. There's this mesh sheet or something to make the water look black or flowy or whatever, and then took pictures of me naked in the bathtub. I didn't realize that there was a closeup of my face. It was edited, but you can kind of tell it's me. I was looking at it, and even my mom, she didn't realize it was me until she really sat and looked at it. But yeah, I had not realized that that was posted until a couple months ago when she was going through his Instagram just to see how many he had of me and the kids on there.

51:25Talia:And I saw it out of the corner of my eye and I was like, wait, that's a picture that I told the detectives about. We FOI'd this case. And because it's still ongoing, there wasn't a lot that we were able to receive. However, we did get some of the body cam footage and it's bizarre. You have both John Nethers and Brianna Nethers being arrested. John's wife, Brianna, is crying. She's telling the officers, I've never been in trouble for everything. As if that's going to hold some weight when she's been charged with five counts of SA, nine counts of pandering sexually oriented material involving a minor and impaired person, eight counts of illegal use of minor or impaired person in nudity oriented material or performance, two counts of unlawful sexual conduct with a minor, one count of sexual conduct with an animal, one count of cruelty to animals, two counts of voyeurism, one count of possessing criminal tools.

52:12Talia:But here she is sobbing, saying that she's never been in trouble for anything. She's still wailing as they take her into the back of the police cruiser, handcuffed, saying I've never been in trouble for anything so I don't know anything. At one point she keeps saying no no no while crying. It's unclear if she's saying that to herself or to the officers. Eventually she does get booked and she asks the officer the one that's driving about her charges and he informs her I was told that you're being charged with pandering obscenity with a minor. Is that a felony or a misdemeanor? It's a felony. What the fuck?

52:46Talia:It's a second degree felony. What the fuck? What does that time look like? I'm sorry? The time, or is that up to the judge? It's gonna be up to the judge. Okay, okay, I don't know anything. I've never been in trouble for anything. She mentions this for the 20th time, as if it is indeed a get-out-of-jail-free card, but I guess it works. The officer even asks her if she'd be more comfortable with her hands cuffed in front of her than behind her, and she reassures the officer that if he would do that, she would never do anything to him. She's just so fucking paranoid. And yeah, she might not do anything to the police officer.

53:22Talia:The police officer who is likely older than her. But she did do something to end up in this position. They have identified three victims so far. Prosecutors are worried and concerned that there are even more victims in this case. The focus of the investigation is actually identifying more victims. Prosecutors asking any and all victims to come forward. It is alleged that Brianna would pick victims at malls, the trampoline park, even at the local YMCA. We don't know the extent of what was recorded, how many people were victimized. I think it's not a great sign that the officers are actively looking for more people to come forward, though.

53:59Talia:The search on their devices, it seems like that would indicate there's a lot more than we know. The case has not gotten a lot of national attention, but locally, on local Facebook groups, people have been sharing their thoughts and theories. one comment reads i heard a rumor that she was selling sex through craigslist after she got banned for doing it on tiktok last year so when i saw the mugshot that's what i initially thought she'd been charged with or maybe like essay charges because she's so so pushy about filming together with her husband like for her of page she was just bragging a couple months ago about buying a cadillac in cash and her husband has thousands of dollars of camera equipment but I'm so sorry to all the victims and their families.

54:39Talia:Now again, this is just a Facebook comment. I don't know if this person actually knows anything or any details about the case or if any details about the case that they are telling on Facebook are to be true, but it just seems like it's so much worse than anyone knew. One person writes in the Facebook comments, this is the local Lincoln County lockups. I got a restraining order on him, John Nethers, and I was so dumb for dropping it. He threatened to sell me and everything. He was taking photos of Brianna and how she was trying to get with him and how he thought she was always cute. He messaged me after they got married, telling me not to answer anyone about their marriage if anyone contacted me.

55:15Banafsheh K. Khosravi:Wait, what?

55:16Talia:It seems like he was probably involved with Brianna before she was an adult of legal age. But it seems like they got married when she was 18. He's exactly 20 years older than her. They say there was so much shit, y 'all. Don't understand. Like, he was a psycho. I'm so glad his ass is in jail. It just seems like the investigators are scratching the immediate surface, or at least what they've publicly said out loud. I don't think anyone really knows the full extent of what might have transpired in this case with these people, not even close. I think the prosecutors most know at least that, at least that this is a big rabbit hole, just based off what we could find online and then Talia's email.

55:55Talia:Talia was gracious and trusting enough to get on a phone call with us. And she was explaining her side of events. And it's very different from online Because again He's being charged with like CSAM Animal cruelty Animal abuse And like the things that Brianna is being charged with And Talia is telling us It goes It spans back way further It's not even just like Yeah like over a decade And then if you count the years of abuse Yeah It's so long

56:21Banafsheh K. Khosravi:Yeah

56:21Talia:And who knows if He could have been victimizing other people Before and after Talia Talia says that she met John when she was six because John was her mom's new boyfriend. John actually knew Talia's mom from high school. So it's not like Talia's mom just met this random guy and was like, oh, you're going to move in with me and my daughter, right? And I'm a single, because she's a single mom, right? You're going to move in with me and my daughter. They had this long-forming friendship, it appears. They did reconnect later in life, and that's when they start seriously dating when Talia is around six.

56:56Talia:He moves in, and it is a really toxic relationship. They argue a lot, Talia's mom and John. The fights between Talia's mom and John were never physical, but because he's a photographer, Talia says he would go out and take these crazy pictures of women all the time and my mom would just be upset with it and uncomfortable. And he would say it doesn't mean that he likes them, it's just his job. And then he would go and accuse her of cheating on him, which she never was, but he was very adamant that she was always cheating on him or that she was going out and doing crazy stuff and she was just like a stay-at-home mom that never really ever went out, he would just gaslight her, guilt trip her.

57:33Talia:He would send her whole paragraph-long emails about how terrible of a mom that she is and how he believes she's cheating even though she's not. It was just really toxic. Talia is six and her biological father is not in her life. And then Talia's mother ends up having three children with John. And so I think that just adds more to this case because it is very difficult. It was never physical. there was no indication that John was ever doing anything to Talia to Talia's mom so it's just one of those very toxic marriages but she also has these three children with him making it even more

58:08Banafsheh K. Khosravi:difficult to get out are they in Talia's life too yes yeah they're all really close yes and I don't

58:17Talia:want to speak on behalf of them obviously but it just seems like from what we could gather from our conversations with Talia, it seems like Talia and her siblings are really like Talia's mom's kids. You know, like that's, that's their parental figure and they are their very tight knit family, it appears. Yeah. Even when John did nothing to Talia that was weird or questionable at the time, her first impression of John, she just didn't really like him. I mean, she didn't really know why she just thought maybe it was like having a man in the house out of nowhere was just weird. It just always felt like a stranger living in their house.

58:52Talia:But it's just a feeling because everything was normal, at least in the beginning. It's not until Talia's mom gets pregnant with their first child. That's when the abuse started. Talia says, it started when I would be getting ready for school in the morning. He would be doing my hair. So he would sit on the couch and I would sit on the floor in front of him. He would brush my hair and put all these hair clips and hair ties like on the couch in between his legs. And he would be naked. She's facing away from him while he's doing her hair. But he would force her to grab the hair clip and the hair tie.

59:30Talia:And she says, when I would turn around, he would be naked and I would have to grab the hair tie and the hair clips. And over time, they would inch closer to his private parts. So it just started with a lot of these smaller things where it started progressing. She says, my mom would go to work and he would stay home. And it would be these little things like he would come in my room and lay down with me and try to cuddle. And he would tell her, eventually, this is like years of abuse. He would tell her repeatedly, if not you, it's going to be your siblings. In our interview, Talia says, I was never going to let that happen.

1:00:11Talia:So I kind of put myself in the way of that. And that is where I leave you with the first half of this episode. In the second half, we're going to dive deep into our conversation with Talia and what's going to happen now with the legal case and the charges. But let me know your thoughts. Please stay safe. And I will see you in the next one. Bye.

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