A Stunner from Fernandes, Dreaming of the Title & The Savinho Dilemma (Q&A feat. Bardi)

23:56Jack:But who am I kidding? Who am I kidding? If we re-sign Harry Kane, I'd be going absolutely potty on here. I mean, look, there was a couple of academy standouts yesterday. I think Mikey Moore is somebody that's been talked about a lot. He's going on the tour to Australia and New Zealand. But Luca Williams Barnett, who is, you know, needs little to no introduction, 17 years old, has been heralded as the, you know, the GM of the academy for quite a few years now already. Came onto the pitch yesterday. And yes, I know we have to note the context, the opponent, all that type of thing. Comfortably looked like one of our best players though, didn't he?

24:39Jack:And also for a 17 year old, looked physically ready. as well. I mean, he's got to get minutes this year, doesn't he? I think. He looked ready. He looked inventive. He looked creative. But within a system that suits him, there were some really nice moments when he was wide left. There was lovely moments in the middle. And I think somebody said that had we spent money on this guy, we would all be raving. And the fact that this guy has come through our academy, it's really, it's so exciting, hopefully. I mean, that's the question now. Do we not sign someone and leave a space to give him minutes because we've been terrible at promoting these players?

25:18And I guess it's the same with Mikey Moore as well. Do we not go out and sign an established player and instead rely on the youth? I don't know. I don't know how that works, especially in a one-game-a-week season. I like Mikey Moore. I'm really excited about Williams Barnett, but I don't know if we're going to see them this year quite yet. I think maybe Mikey Moore needs a good loan to a championship team. ideally maybe to a lower level Premier League team to really see what he's made out of see what he's made of but I like them both

25:45Jack:and I'm very excited by them both. I think it was actually your boy Nathan who posted let me find let me find exactly what it was so Nathan has essentially posted something to say it's from Sam Tebateo who we're talking about Calama Olesese who's expected to stay in challenge for minutes at Tottenham this season. 19-year-old is recovering from injury, but has been told he's part of Dezerbi's plans. He obviously made his Premier League and Champions League debut last year. And Nathan has already, he's highlighted a section where it says, it's unclear whether Williams Barnett will be part of the first team squad this season.

26:26Jack:And obviously Nathan said, you know, better decide soon, given that he looks brilliant. You know, he looks like a player that isn't really going to learn a lot more from playing academy football right now. so I guess if he's not going to be playing for the first team we want to see him get a good loan don't we and a proper loan if you like with all due respect not just like an Oxford United or something like that you want to see him maybe do a Dortmund or something I mean Dortmund be careful what you wish for because I think a lot of the time that pretty much leads to Dortmund buying the player full time but I would like to see this lads playing some proper football, proper football, if we're not going to give him first team minutes.

27:11I mean, if Max Dallman can get minutes playing for a team that went on to win the championship, then I don't see why we can't give minutes to Luca Williams-Barnett or Mikey Moore. Whether there are enough minutes for them to be happy with, we don't know. But I would like to see them involved. I would like to see them involved over Odebe. I'd like to see them involved perhaps even over Matthias Tell if we sign another left winger.

27:32Jack:I mean, this is what I was going to ask. Would you want us to start play, you know, Moore or Williams-Barnett if it meant maybe, because I'm pretty sure both of them. I think Williams-Barnett's more of like a attacker midfielder. Mikey Moore is a sort of left-sided attacker. Would you rather see them get minutes than us sign Savino, for example? No, no. I'd like us to sign Savino or someone of that level and then supplement those minutes with a youth prospect. And a youth prospect has come through our academy because if we get into the Champions League next season, we're going to have trouble with homegrown-based players because we don't have a lot.

28:08So I think it's really important these guys are part of the team. They feel like they have a future and they feel like there's a pathway for them, which I think we've been pretty bad over the last few years in doing that with individuals.

28:18Jack:I've seen those. There's been a few reports saying that some of the players and the families of players are worried about there being a lack of pathway for academy players to come through the squads. and I've seen it just floated in conversation that what Spurs may well be having to end up doing is forego a generation of academy players, you know, Dane Scarlett, Will Langshears, those kind of players that have come through quite simply because the first team hasn't been in the state to give them that pathway. But if we are building from the ground up again, if we are approaching things like a proper big club, making these signings like Tonali, making signings like Fernandes and so on and so forth, if we have more of a settled competent starting 11 that may well give opportunities to younger players if we actually if we actually look at this if we look at this as a priority thing as opposed to just constantly reacting to spurs being in trouble like we pretty much have done for the last two years right i wish we had mikey more that we could chuck in because we've got all these injuries without really thinking about that proper pathway for that player um i just you know i mean I don't really buy too much of the fear mongering as well I mean like I look at a player like Voscovic and I think it's fair enough it's fair enough that the kid wanted first team football and he wanted to get out but I equally think it's fair enough for a gaffer like Dezerbi to say I'm absolutely not having a 19 year old tell me that he's playing or not kind of thing right I don't I don't again I don't think that needs to be a culture war and to your point at the start at the start even I think it's quite right that Spurs have just thought let's intervene in this just sort it out.

29:54Jack:Get good money for him. Got a decent sell-on clause. Everyone's happy, right? Yeah, also the youth team is a revenue stream. We get these kids in, we feed them, we train them, we get them up to a certain level and then we flip them. And then that pays all their bills and it gets reinvested and it's free money. Essentially it's free money. We're selling Lancashire, selling Devine, the rest of them. That's good money for the club and that's money that we can go out and then spend on Tonali. I think with Harry Kane we were a little bit spoiled where we had the dream. We had one of our own come through the ranks and become one of the best players in the world and it doesn't happen that often.

30:30But if our youth team can continue to generate money for us, that's a good thing. And if Luca Williams Barnett comes through and he's our next Harry Kane, great. If not, we flip him like we've done with Lancashire, like we've done with many others. We flip them, put a sell on and they continue to generate money for us further down the line. It's like we're going out to a city, buying a load of apartments and turning them into Airbnbs just to generate income. That's part of what they are. It's a money-making scheme. It's a Ponzi scheme, whatever it is. Yeah, that's what they are.

30:58Jack:Super late stage capitalism, baby. That's what we're doing. That's what City do, man. When we bought Pedro Porro, they got money for that. There's that Angeleno guy that's been knocking around and there's countless, countless other City players that they've signed, youngsters that they've just got flipped. Off they've gone. It's how big clubs act. Like you said, we're massive, so we're a big club now. Absolutely massive. I mean Roberto De Zerbi are you worried that he's anti-youth? No It's been floated hasn't it you know he hates kids hates them fucking hates them he's shouting about it all the time you know I mean I don't think Pochettino loved kids he had a situation where he had to choose between Soldado Adebayor and the rest of them and went I'm going to go with this kid just because they run harder and they have a better attitude toward things I think managers will play players if they think they will add something to what they've got.

31:54I'm a little bit concerned about handing all the power to De Zerbe. That's where I'm a little bit frightened because if you give too much power to one individual, they can become a bit of a megalomaniac and De Zerbe has that in him. He has it in him to just get upset with something and storm out. So I'm a little bit worried about the lack of separation of powers within Tottenham Hotspur and who's making the decisions. But given the situation we were in when he arrived, I think we kind of had to make a deal with the devil and go, all right, Dezerbi, we're going to listen to you and you're going to make decisions for at least the time being.

32:30Deal with the devil. Do you not like Dezerbi? I love Dezerbi. I love Dezerbi, but I do think he is a... So you're a devil worshipper then? Is that what you're saying? Occasionally. He's a character who, you know, we've had explosive, he's an explosive character. There is no denying that we've seen that throughout his career. and he has the potential to throw his toys out the pram. And if you give so much power to that individual, you have to really give them everything they want because the moment you don't, you're going to have someone in the shopping aisle rolling on the floors, kicking and screaming.

33:04Jack:I mean, the thing is, I'm always, you know, as a proper football man that has airs and a pretense of wanting to be some sort of, you know, intellectual, a football intellectual, I'm forever, I'm forever toiling between that, that toxic side of me that looks at somebody like Deserby shouting and getting all angry and do you know I mean making one with what's his name who was our assistant coach before when he was when Deserby was Brighton manager say he's number two Stelini yeah you know like going for Stelini and all that I'm caught between being that pearl clutch it's like oh I don't really know about that I don't know about that sort of rambunctious personality and then there's that bit of me that's like deserve he showed so much emotional intelligence last year right and we were all included we're all like but he's gonna come in and it's already like you know it's a tinder box it's waiting to go off and he's gonna come in we're gonna get relegated and he's gonna kick off but no he was emotionally intelligent kept it all sort of under wraps put an arm around the players he acted like a big brother he was friendly with the press and all that type of thing but i loved it just on the last day that little bit came out where Spurs stayed up and he wanted that one journalist he was like get him in here get him in here do you know what I mean I'm like yes yes you like your managers to keep receipts a bit like you on on twitter yeah well that's it you know it's the name of the game it's the name of the game baby um what do you make of the uh a few notable omissions we're going out to Australia we're going out to New Zealand James Madison and Andy Robertson are seemingly forming the buddy cop drama of our times which is quite nice to see I don't know if you saw James Madison posted a picture of Andy Robertson sat next to him pulling a grumpy face because they were next to each other it's all funny in context alright it could work with me here buddy but it is weird can you imagine had this been mid-season Robertson looking grumpy he's regretting his move to Tottenham already because these photos they don't mean anything really because like you said, right now, everything's positive, everything's happy.

35:07So, ah, Robinson, he's just a grumpy old guy. But had that been after, after Bournemouth away, we got beat 2-0, everyone would be like, oh, there's trouble in the camp.

35:16Jack:I'm definitely going to be calling him a fraud come Christmas or at least washed. But I've been enjoying, I've been enjoying seeing all the Liverpool fans being like, this can't be true. This can't be real seeing him in the Spurs kit and everything. But yeah, look, Saar's not gone. Bentancur's not gone are we assuming that they're in the shop window because you know they're both seemingly fit they came back from the World Cup did the Dutch guys go Van Hecker they did Bentancur didn't Bergvau went as well though which is a curveball I mean I think Tottenham there just sent in a message that they will only sell him if the offer's crazy money my friend Vicario didn't go did he he did not he apparently picked up a knock in training finally we've got to get rid of this guy I got so much shit years ago when I said, I think he's all that.

36:07I got so much shit. Every time.

36:09Jack:I think I remember you weren't even that. You were just like, yeah, it would be a good stock gap. That was kind of what you said, wasn't it? I think. I said Spurs had gone for the cheaper option. We've gone for a cheaper option instead of investing in a proper, proper goalkeeper. Someone like David Raya. I did also throw in Onana into that sentence. Which aged terribly, but thankfully a lot of people have forgotten about that. But yeah, I've not enjoyed Vicario from the start. I don't like scatty goalkeepers. I don't like goalkeepers who aren't proactive. And from the first moment I saw those highlight clips of him, I was just like, I don't know about this guy.

36:44And I've remained unsure about him. So I'm kind of happy Vicario deserves moving on from Vicario.

36:50Jack:Mate, he's a great shot stopper, but I was sort of saying last year, and I picked up a few responses to it, but not a lot. I don't think he's miles better than somebody like Gazzaniga was. I really don't. I think he's that type of level. He's a backup goalkeeper. That's the way I look at it, you know? He is a backup. Gazzaniga, that's a hell of a take. Because he was terrible. He was good for a few games. He came in. He was very handsome. You know, he made a few good reflex saves. Is Vakario better than Michel Vaughan? Like, peak Michel Vaughan, no. But Michel Vaughan at Spurs, probably. Because I don't know what the hell the Michel Vaughan that we inherited was.

37:27Jack:because it wasn't the one we'd seen at Swansea who was actually a pretty decent goalkeeper for a while, wasn't he? I mean, I'm not delighted that Kinski is going to be our number one for next season, but I think we can hopefully get away with it for one year. Saying that the market for goalkeepers is not great. It's not great at the moment. I think the World Cup was littered with veteran goalkeepers having a magical tournament or veteran goalkeepers falling off a cliff. I just don't think there's much out there at the moment. The only one that I would really look at is the Parma goalkeeper Suzuki.

38:01But he had such a strong tournament, I think. I don't think we're going to spend that kind of money on him right now.

38:07Jack:I reckon Simon from, where is he? Bilbao, isn't he? I think the Spain keeper. You know, you might be able to... Did I see a PSG after him? Maybe PSG in desperate need of a goalkeeper. I think Simon's great and I really enjoyed the fact that he kept David Raya on the bench for the whole World Cup. That really cheered me up. I really enjoyed that. I don't know where I've seen that, if that's true or not. I think about Kinski, like you say on the goalkeeper thing, feels like, so City, basically they're trying to get rid of James Trafford at the moment. I think Villa or somebody were... Leeds. It was at Leeds, okay, and they didn't go for him because City wanted too much at the end of the day.

38:45Jack:I think the figure we'd seen floating around before was about 60 mil. And I kind of look at somebody like Trafford who is clearly a talented young keeper, but I think is he 60 mil better than and more guaranteed to be better than Kinski I don't know and like you I have I have reservations over Kinski I'm kind of happy to go with it though because I do think he was I do think he was exceptional at the tail end of last year and I do think he's a big part of the reason why we're still in the Premier League so it's kind of one of those things where if if Bobby fancies him then happy to go with it on that level I guess the lack of I mean Dubravka's actually an alright keeper I think so as a backup keeper it's not the end of the world I'd read somewhere when we did sign him I think I saw on a Reddit thread between some Newcastle fans that Dubravka was said to be so good with the ball at his feet he would sometimes actually train in midfield when he was playing for Newcastle really yeah which is kind of interesting yeah just an anecdote I saw on a Newcastle Reddit thread that's that's you know that's helpful and i think the fact that kinski does seem to be actually like a really good footballer and he didn't show that against atletico madrid obviously but after that point he looks really really good with the ball at his feet gonna need that in a deservey system aren't he yeah i'm not i'm not sold on traffic for 60 million the fact that guardiola took a long hard look at uh trafford and then went out and signed a totally non and Guardiola goalkeeper in Donnarumma just kind of shows what level, I was going to call him Old Trafford, what level Trafford is that?

40:25I don't really want to spend 60 million pounds on him. I don't think he's shot stopping, his weakness in his shot stopping, even though he's good with his feet, it doesn't balance it out. I think Kinski's probably around about the same level, but the fact Kinski doesn't have an English passport, which means he's 40, 50 million pounds cheaper. I'd rather see Trafford go somewhere else. yeah let's let's do a season with kinski and see how we get on yeah that sounds good that sounds

40:48Jack:good um abadi we've had a lot of listener questions people are very excited does that make you feel does that make you feel good something you feel happy people very excited at your arm it does make me feel excited i do love a good question and there was some there's some nice ones in there as well good mix my blood pressure at pissed off commuter says did you see the post-game interview with mikey moore did my eyes deceive me or is he now a unit i mean we've all been 16, 17, then we have a growth spurt. My growth spurt wasn't like that. My growth spurt was a bit going, I went a bit wider than like, I didn't put on much muscle.

41:21I know that feeling. He's become a man, you know, obviously he looks after himself, he eats well. And when you have a growth spurt and you look after yourself, it's just going to go into muscle. You're not going to become fat, are you really? So I'm not surprised.

41:35Jack:He is pretty tonk though, isn't he? And I think playing up in Glasgow is going to, You're going to put some hairs on your chest, isn't it? I remember being 15. I had my growth spurt around 16. And before, I could just eat whatever I wanted. Eat whatever I wanted. It was just like it would just disappear. And then one day, it stopped. And that's how I live my life now. If I'm not disciplined, it just goes straight onto my ass and into my face. Those 10pm bowls of cereal used to hit different, didn't they, back in the day? 10-week-a-bix. 10-week-a-bix. Those days are long gone. With sugar. Yeah, sugar, whole milk, the lot.

42:13Jack:Give it, give it. Machipola at MSip33 says, with the focus on senior players in terms of incomings, is there a youth player that you think can possibly make an impact this year? I mean, look, we've been talking about a few. There's a few names floating around. Maybe a few we haven't mentioned. Don Lee seems to be fancied by Deserbi. Janai Bifield we've been turning down bids for. I think it's Malachi Hardy isn't it who looks pretty handy as well there's a few of these young players about I mean Moore could have an impact Luca Williams Barnett could have an impact I'm not sure about Donnelly because I've seen Donnelly play right back I've seen him play false nine for Northern Ireland I don't know I don't know what he is and I'm not sure if he knows what he is I would like to see but I would like Spurs to continue signing first team ready individuals and then using the youth team to back them up that's what I would like us to see that's what I'd like to see he scored that was it Orient he was on loan for and he scored that screamer against Man City so that was quite good that was a couple of years ago was that Donnelly or was that Dorrington no that was Donnelly that was Donnelly Dorrington's the centre back yeah Dorrington's going to Polish club I think yeah he is yeah yeah which fair enough do you know what I mean if I was a footballer I'd do that go somewhere mad just why not you're getting paid good money just go and just go and live it up somewhere nice I've always thought this if you're if you're a decent player do you want to play like League One football where yeah I'm sure you'll get played quite well or go and play in like the Serie B do you know what I mean like a team around like Tuscany somewhere like that I don't know I don't know what team it would be but yeah who's it Cagliari Cagliari Cagliari Cagliari's beautiful man and I mean Poland's not the most beautiful place in the world but it has great food it's very well priced so on footballers wages he's going to live like a king out there and that's what I would do if you're not going to make it internationally then and you're good enough, just go be a hero somewhere else instead of just a bum in the Premier League.

44:11Jack:Mate, pierogies. I'd be in danger if I was living in Poland. Like, they are good stuff. They're good. Beetroot soup, Hunter's stew, all of that stuff. The vodka's good. The beer is good. Here, I'll have a great time. Yeah, it's class. Johnny B. Good, 1365, says, Of our new signings, who are you most excited to see play for us? I think Van Hecker and Sinesi are going to have a huge impact on how we play. I think it's a very boring answer, but I think those two, the ability they have to play the ball out of defence is going to change everything about Tottenham. And it almost kind of gets rid of the desperation for a number six, because I think those two can do it.

44:55Tonali is obviously the one I'm looking forward to seeing the most. But I think in terms of biggest impact, our defenders are going to have that.

45:02Jack:My genuine like chest out, hot take, intrusive thought is that Van Hecker is going to be seen as like one of the best centre-backs in the league in maybe the end of the season. I think he's, just from watching him in the World Cup, I thought he just looks like a class above. He genuinely kind of reminds me of when Liverpool signed Van Dijk, when you were suddenly like, the player takes that step up and you're like, oh, they're actually really, really good. Like you, I'm really excited about him. I'm really excited about Fernandes Tenali. I'm really excited about. I think they're both exceptional and I really like both of them.

45:34Jack:I've really liked the idea of Tonali for years. I genuinely have. Every time I've watched him play at Newcastle, there's been like shades of Modric about him, which I've kind of liked, which I've sort of thought, he just feels like a Tottenham player. So I was so happy that we actually did sign him. But Van Hecker, in terms of like my pragmatic, boring head on, like you say, too, I am excited about him. I think he's going to be... I think the take, the Simon Jordan, Daniel Levy thing about us getting our pants poured down is going to age very, very badly. That's my sort of biggest take on that.

46:08I think our fan base is going to love Tonali's tenacity and his ability to get across the pitch and make tackles. We've not had a player who could do that but then can also do the technical things as well. So that's going to be great. And I agree with you. I think Van Hecker is such a smart sign and he's going to step up to this level. It's like Van der Ven is beautiful to watch because he's this kind of freak who's massive but can run really fast. But I think Van Hecker is going to kind of show him up and he's going to be an all-round brilliant defender.

46:37Jack:THFC podcast Andy Perry says, what do you think it is that has made Roberto Di Zerbi believe that this is the club for him? And realistically, if he stays for his contract length, what do you think he's going to have achieved? I think for Di Zerbi, he's not managed a club of our stature before. You know, I know Marseille with an asterisk next to them have won the European Cup and the rest of it, but they've been in the doldrums for a long time. They've been insignificant in Ligue 1 for a long, long time. I think Spurs, like we keep saying, are massive and this is a huge opportunity for him to have money to spend, to buy players of the caliber that he wants and to really input his style into a team which has been lacking any kind of style for many years now.

47:20So I think it's an exciting project with money and I think what can he achieve in the five years? Well, I think if he gets to five years that will be the biggest achievement of his career to date so far, if he can manage that. But I think a couple of cups for sure, and at least one or two proper goes at the league title.

47:38Jack:That would be good. I think we'd all take that. I keep banging on about it, but I don't care. It's nice, it's good in the feels. Just his face looking at the South Stand at the end of last year when it was in full colour, full voice. We've just stayed up jubilant. I think it truly dawned on De Zerbe then. actually this lot of massive this is a huge club i think he i think he's obviously always known that tottenham are big and they're a london club with a stadium and money and all that type of thing but i think like a lot of the players found when we actually won the europa league and the streets were lined for them i think a lot of people maybe because of the pervasive narrative around spurs gary neville sky sports all of them forget the fact that jokes aside we are a massive club we're an enormous club with such a huge and adoring fan base that if you get it right here if De Zerbe gets it right and there's every chance he can if he's being backed properly and he's been you know given the time and space to add in the plan and importantly the money to build the squad as he wants it to be there's every chance he can go on and achieve amazing things here and he'll be immortalized if he's if he's the guy that wins Tottenham their first league title after Bill Nicholson I mean that's not just that's not just immortalized with Tottenham fans that's that sends shockwaves through through the premier league for me and I don't think that's overstating it right it's it's immortality it's huge if you win something big at top I left um I left the country after we lost at home to Aston Villa when Matty Cash and Morgan Rodgers scored from distance that was the last home game I went to which was miserable and I spent the rest of the season as a remote fan and I didn't miss having a season ticket obviously I missed my friends but I didn't miss having a season ticket until that final game of the season after we were safe and you saw Deserby looking at us.

49:24And then I was just like, shit, I wish I'd been there for that. I wanted to feel that. Yeah, I do miss that. And it's one of those things that people are constantly in search of becoming a legend. And Harry Kane's gone to Bayern Munich and he scored a lot of goals and that's good for him. Congratulations on that. He's won a couple of league titles, but he's not going to be, he'll never be a legend there. Had he stayed at Tottenham and scored all those goals and won the Europa League, he cements himself in history for a team, for a set of fan bases that will go on for generations and generations talking about what he's achieved.

49:59In the same kind of way, Tottenham Roma is a legend for what he's done. Sonny will remain a legend for what he's done. I think if De Zerbe wins a league title or a major cup with Tottenham, he becomes, his name echoes forever, man. We've all gone to see the Odyssey and people like Achilles and stuff like that and you win something with Tottenham you echo your name stays there stays relevant for lifetimes and I think it gets me can you imagine that Deserby winning the league title with Tottenham that's incredible just even just even like perceive that thought it's an amazing thing

50:36Jack:I want to like as I keep saying I want to see it because we've got I think we've got the Emirates right toward the end of the season three or four games to go until the end of the season if memory serves. Imagine winning the league there. Just imagine going into the end of the season and having something to fight for in a league game that's not life or death. It's not relegation. Because for so many years, after February, after March, the league games have just been, you know, just been things we've just gone through. They've just been painted by numbers. They've not meant anything. Can you imagine being in a proper league title again and every single match being really important?

51:14but not important like it was last season when it was about safety, but trying to like get glory. It'll be incredible.

51:20Jack:Three weeks from now, I will be harvesting my crops. Imagine where you will be and it will be so. Hold the line. Stay with me. If you find yourself alone, riding in green fields with the sun on your face, do not be troubled. For you are an Elysium and you are already dead. Brothers, what we do in life echoes in eternity. That's what that's fucking, come on, Tottenham. I've recently also quoted the gladiator on the, extra interest. Someone put in our Reddit or Spotify comments, Bardi stole that from the gladiator. Bardi didn't make that happen. I'm like, of course I did. Matt J, lots of underscores, PK says, is Bardi more of a Barrezi or Maldini man?

52:00Jack:I mean, Barrezi was an incredible defender and you've got to think about in the USA 94, the man did his ACL in the opening game of the World Cup against Ireland, had an operation and then played the World Cup final. And this, That is a proper football man. Proper football man. This wasn't Infantino's 48 team inflated nonsense. This was a much smaller World Cup and he was outstanding in that World Cup final. Perhaps man of the match. So I've always got a soft spot for Beresi but Maldini is like the classic world-class modern defender who could play anywhere along the back four. Score goals, stop goals.

52:39Beautiful looking man. Now technical director of the Italian national team so hopefully his legacy will now be fixing the Italian national team so I don't have to spend another World Cup thinking about what could have been.

52:51Jack:Andrew Elliott wants to know who's the equivalent of Spurs in Colombia. It's a complicated thing here because obviously any team in South America, if you're good, you lose your best players. But in the city I live in, Medellin, there are two kind of main teams. One is Nacional and the other one is Independiente. And Nacional are the conglomerate. They're the ones sponsored by the country's leading soft drinks. They're the ones with all the money. So immediately, I don't like them, but I've ended up supporting them because the other team is very spursy, but they wear red, and I just couldn't do that.

53:25So I would say Independiente de Medellin is very Tottenham because they never quite achieve it. They never quite make it. They're the team of the people. So all the taxi drivers support them. all the kind of the lower class working people support them because they don't want to support the glory hunting team which is the team I have a season ticket for so I think Independiente de Medellin is the Spurs but they play in red so that was never going to happen

53:51Jack:they won a cup like straight away didn't they when you went there I don't think I remember yeah yeah within within a month or two they won the cup and they didn't give a shit I'm like what do you mean what do you mean I'm like saying to my friend, let's go celebrate. And he goes, oh, but it's just like their version of the FA Cup. We've won it many times. I'm like, God, can you imagine being pigs? Can you imagine having stuffed your face so much that you no longer care about the FA Cup? It's not a thing. Come on. We're starving out there. We're starving. Give us more. Piggies want more. Give it more.

54:28Jack:Give it. I saw more league wins for National in the first two months I was here than I did in 18 months watching Tottenham at home. Home league wins. I fucking don't, mate. Yeah. Ed Stern says, what elements of Colombian football media-culture would improve the UKs? I mean, like a lot of Latin American football, they are miles behind the Premier League. So it's just become fashionable now to do set pieces. Before, set pieces were just like, you get in the area, you have a little bit of a push and a shove and you try and win a penalty. But now they finally realized that the arsenification of football has reached this country, which is really sad because Colombia, as you probably would have spotted during the World Cup, are obsessed with the number 10, which is why James Rodriguez is still getting minutes for the national team because they worship at the feet of a number 10.

55:19So I've really enjoyed watching kind of old Colombian footballers who've been to Mexico, Brazil, Argentina, the leagues with more money, come back here for their swan song and just wander around the pitch the whole game doing backheels, shooting from the halfway line. So I've really enjoyed the kind of the basic return to basics of football, the return to romanticism of football. That's what I've really enjoyed here. But it is sad that it is turning more European, good players, good players and throw in corners. But I guess that's just what happens. the quality goes out the window and Colombia aren't producing the gifted individuals that it used to be because they're just looking for the bigger players now.

55:57Jack:Well, that's what's done Brazil, isn't it, at the end of the day for all the reasons we want to dive into. If it's the lack of Catholics in the country, as they seem to say, or other reasons, it's the gentrification of some of the favelas and things like that has been floated. But just football's changed, isn't it, like you say? And that's miserable, but true. There is a youngster playing at the moment for the team I support who's linked with a couple of European teams. But he's little and inventive and quick-footed, but he's just too small. And I don't ever see him making it. But it is nice to see that occasionally a little guy can squeeze through the gaps.

56:38Jack:A couple more ones quick. Matt Tate asks, genuine question. What do people in Colombia think of Shakira? Is it like Messi in Argentina where she's been away for so long that she has to reprove her patriotism or are we talking and do people think all her English tunes are crap? So Shakira was massive here when my wife was younger and then she went big globally and she did kind of forget about Colombia. She went a long time not referencing Colombia, not doing any tours here, especially when she married Pique. They used to say she was more Catalan than Colombian. But since she split up with Pique, she's returned more to her roots and she's found that there is a fan base here which loves her.

57:23And over the last four or five years, they've really taken her back again. And that's reciprocal because she also now reflects her Columbia, Columbianism and her passion for the country. So there was a time where she didn't reference it, but now she's all on board the Columbia train.

57:37Jack:Did have one. Oh yeah, Ian Amiensper says, why didn't you name any of your chickens Chirpy? You got chickens? No, I don't have chickens. Is he mistaking you for Flav? I think he is. I think so. Flav's got chickens, hasn't he? He's got chickens, yeah. I live in a tropical country and I have an array of birds that interrupt my recordings if I don't keep everything closed, but then I start sweating and that's disgusting. Especially these days where everything is video, you've got to look clean. So I don't have chickens, but I have a lot of birds. And I did call two southern lapwings that are noisy bastards that always appear in my recordings, Kiki and Coco just because of the noise they make.

58:15But I don't have chickens, mate.

58:17Jack:Ian, no chickens, mate. Come on, come on. Last one, Jack Freemo says, jam then cream or cream then jam? Do people really care about this? Apparently so. Apparently so, mate. I see the cream as a type of butter and I put the cream on first and then I put the jam on top. Especially clotted cream. It literally, I think it is butter maybe one less step along or something. I think when you're whipping a heavy cream, yeah, it goes to like a double cream and then to like a clotted cream and then it turns to butter. So I use it as a butter. That's the correct way to do it. But people get so upset by it.

58:54It's like milk or water first with your tea. It doesn't really matter.

59:01Jack:Does it matter, really? Do you, you know, like you say, you're somebody that's prone to putting on weight, but you're a healthy guy. You're very health conscious. Do you do anything like keto? Do you do keto diets, low carb or that sort of thing? No, no. I try not to eat too much processed sugar. I try not to eat too much processed food. Run a lot, move a lot. That's kind of my thing. I have tried keto. I have tried intermittent fast. I kind of intermittent fast. So I won't eat after a certain period of time of day. And then I'll try and hold my fast for 15, 16 hours. But that's as fancy as I get in terms of diet.

59:37but keto's it's an interesting diet but it's not for me you're not putting blobs of butter in your coffee and stuff like that I do put MCT oil because my wife just keeps putting it in my coffee and keeps giving it to me that way so I do that in my coffee what is MCT what's that I think it's like a coconut oil apparently it speeds up your digestion or whatever but I'll do that in the morning if I can

1:00:02Jack:I'll have a look I'll have a look Barley mate it's always a pleasure what's uh you know the extra inch doesn't need any publicizing but i'll be polite what what are the extra inch got coming up what what have you you still doing your book club and all that stuff still do book club we have a live show on the 10th of august we we're coming back yeah i'm monday on monday i'm flying back for a few weeks the royal visit the royal visit what's coming home bardo's coming home that's why i came home this summer um we've got the 10th of august we've got in conjunction with the Black Prince Trust charity.

1:00:39It's a great small community building thing that we do. It's lovely to see some of our listeners there. Tickets are available on Extra Inch Patreon sites. Other than that, we always have loads of in-focus stuff. Kish, who's been helping us out this summer, he's just done a Luca Williams Barnett deep dive, which is free to watch on our Patreon. But we've always got transfers, scouting videos, tactical videos all the time on our Patreon if people are interested. Right. Do you know what I mean?

1:01:07Jack:Come on, slamming it in. I'll just do the odd little preview on my Patreon. You know what I mean? We also have previews coming this season as well. Fucking hell. Barley, mate, always a pleasure. Thank you very much. Lovely to speak to you, Jack. Enjoy the rolling hills of Columbia. Take care, mate.

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