At Doom's Gate (Q&A)

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0:17hello everybody welcome i don't know why i've said it in that voice to be honest um hello everyone i i've wondered i've been wondering actually why i've been hemorrhaging listeners this year and i I kind of have blamed angiopostocoglu in part and our form, but I think maybe me starting off the podcast in a sort of Timmy Mallet-esque fashion probably isn't helping, is it, Phil? I'm still here, mate. Don't you worry about that. Yeah, of course you are. Of course you are. Just me and you listening to it after you've recorded it. Don't forget my mum as well. Oh, yeah, of course. just you you sat there in your next unbranded Nike hoodie yeah a PSA for everyone who just missed out on the what was it called the final the Europa League final jacket that everyone saw and everyone can we call it a shell suit yeah probably it's probably a tag isn't it that's what I'm telling myself everyone saw them walking out and that was like oh, great, Nike, you're going to release it, and it just disappeared.

1:25And then suddenly, apparently today, it went on sale. You and I both missed it, and I was scrabbling around for it because not that I was, like, overly bothered about it, but, you know, when you miss out on something, it suddenly means you absolutely have to have it. That's kind of what I was. I think the kids call that FOMO, mate. Yeah, I was definitely FOMOing there. And I quickly Googled it and found it on Next for 90 quid. I was like, oh, nice one, actually. yeah I've done my usual thing and like found a loophole and everything feels better when you have a loophole right it's like we're buying Call of Duty and Sainsbury's for 25 quid um just feels better and then yeah on our little whatsapp group with dear Charlie Parrish he um coyly pointed out that you you asked why why is it on next and I was just like don't don't question it I've bought it I bought it on Klarna as well just for a laugh because it was 90 quid and it was 10 % off if you do it that way so I was like win win win and he succinctly pointed out that the reason it's 90 quid is because I didn't have any Spurs branded on it so long story short my credit rating is going to take a little bit of a hit and I've got no Spurs jacket I just like the thought you're walking around in like because it's quite it's quite a Larry Shell suit you know I mean without the context of it being a Spurs one I like the thought of you just like wandering around the ends in that Phil um yeah do you I just thought actually how long do you think before I wouldn't have noticed or I would have noticed it didn't have the cockerel on it or the Spurs branding it would have arrived wouldn't it it would have just been the fast show unlucky owl oh I don't know mate I don't know I reckon I would have put it on and been like because the whole conversation i was more distracted that it was i was having to kind of upgrade from a medium to a large which arguably i probably should have done about 10 years ago anyway if you see me in a t-shirt um but yeah a large jacket i would have been oh no the fit's actually all right it's supposed to be baggy that's fine yeah nice one and then gone out with it walked around because when you look at it you look at it once in a mirror and then you put it on you don't necessarily look down at it do you so yeah i could have been going on for for donkey's years without with an unbranded Larry Nike shell suit jacket without any Spurs emblems on it.

3:47But yeah, there we go. It might be one of those things where you go up Spurs and you see people be like, I think he got it on DHgate. Yeah, yeah. People shouting out next across the road at me. I mean, me being like, yeah, what? Next what? What have I done? Yeah. Well, yeah, that was quite funny. I'm glad you've seen the funny side of parting with 90 of your hard-earned pounds there, Phil. Yeah, yeah. Well, I've already cancelled the order, so we're all right. We're back to me not having a Spurs jacket. So I've just reverted to my state of an hour ago. How many of these things, just whilst we're on this, how many of these things do you reckon now just get picked up by scalpers?

4:33I just straight away bought it, slapped on eBay in two weeks' time when it's all sold out. Most things, right? That's the thing. I mean, I didn't even realise that was coming out. As much as I was like, oh, that's great. I've sort of been out of the loop a bit on Spurs. I've sort of had not necessarily a conscious kind of, yeah, not paying attention to it all. But I think just, as I say, winning the Europa League has just kind of changed things for me this summer. and I just haven't been sort of pouring over things. So, you know, maybe this was, there was a big lead in for this that everyone knew it was going to come out.

5:11But to my mind, it just sort of appeared. And yeah, dear Charlie Parrish had already bought one when I flagged it on the WhatsApp group. So yeah, maybe I was behind on it. But yeah, to your point, yeah, most things, right? It's just all bots. It's all just, it's bots selling it to other bots. Dead internet theory, mate. It's miserable, mate. it's on everything now that you see it and i've got time to go adam curtis about it i mean he doesn't even talk in his documentary anymore but uh the uh when you look at pretty much any tweet like for a while we were moaning about the fact oh it's just you know it's bots because you'll see like a pornographic image or a link to some kind of shop at the bottom of a tweet or a tweet from a famous person.

6:00But it's almost like any tweet now that has any sort of traction on it, you actually see bots, and they're quite clearly bots, just conversing with one another. Anyway, this is for another podcast. But it's bizarre, isn't it? It's a very strange one. How are you... You were sort of saying you've taken a break from Spurs, but in a way, and I mean, it is the literal holiday. Spurs have kind of taken a break from Spurs at the moment. Are you just enjoying this kind of moment of calm right now? Yeah, I think so. And again, it's not necessarily a conscious thing. I've just, it's just a, I'm just less stressed about the idea of Spurs achieving anything, you know, because we just have achieved something is my point.

6:44You know, I've kind of gone up a level and I've plateaued into this calmer place. So yeah, I think that's in part, but again, yeah. I mean, you know, there's nothing sort of coming out. the Ezza stuff is annoying because I've really kind of liked him since he was at QPR and you know the fact that we would have been linked with him and now suddenly he's of course going to Arsenal that's a bit of a bummer but it hasn't I can't say it's like bothered me you know what I mean and it's just yeah so I'm in sort of a quite a calm calm place we'll see see if that continues after this podcast not that you'll rhyme me up or anything but just talking about it might unearthed some problems.

7:27Have Arsenal signed him yet? Has that actually happened? Or is it one of those things that we sort of wound ourselves up about because some ITK said, oh, Arsenal quite like him as well? I don't think they've actually signed him or anything. No, I just think that they've kind of gone, their name's in the hat or in the ring for him. And all the noises seem to point to him being he wants Arsenal because obviously he was at Arsenal and they released him when he was like 14 or 15. And it really hit him hard. So, I mean, I would have said you go to their rivals and prove them wrong. But who am I to say, right?

8:00But yeah, so it just seems like suddenly things have fallen into place where it looks like that's just going to happen. That's my reading on it anyway. Yeah, it's not that I don't trust my own intuition because it's generally impeccable. It's served me. It's served me so well throughout the majority of my life. and uh but with Ezra it's one of these where I can't really tell if I'm just kind of really excited by the idea of him and think he's really class and hence have this like confirmation bias every time I watch him play because it seems to be quite quite a few people it's weird he seems to be a weirdly Marmite player which I just I guess what I'm trying to say is I find it quite hard to wrap my head around that because I find when I watch him he just looks like a just a remarkable player like I've said in the past on Twitter something about like oh you know we we fumbled it a bit in my opinion going for Madison instead of Eza people are negative fans like you why are digging out Madison he's a good player it's like I kind of don't mean that and I do get the context because I probably do dig out Madison a bit but I in that instance I meant it more just in that I think Eza is just, I think he's like leagues above, but that doesn't seem to be an opinion that's like widely shared.

9:24No, I think the anxiety of that comes around the fact that a player like Eza, as in his position, isn't seen as a priority this window. So if we've only got a certain amount of money to spend, we should be buying a six, right? I think that's the kind of, that's the opinion. to my mind you buy the best players that you can play in those positions regardless if we've got Madison and Kuliszewski who can play there as well I think I mean from my perspective I see Eza as a gem that is somehow gettable you know it's it's somehow achievable for us to get this player and he's choosing to go somewhere else which you know I don't think there's a hell of a lot we can do about it I don't think we fumbled it necessarily in a way I just think it's just not you know and he he prefers another team um so that that's that that's frustrating again he's i just see he's he's it's weird that you know he stayed last summer at palace right i think even steve parish the palace chairman said that he was surprised no one came into him came in for him because he's got such a gettable release clause you know at least they went under the sort of same release clause went to buy and everyone's understandable that parish was like But yeah, there was no interest in Ezza, which is surprising.

10:40So yeah, felt gettable. But I think it's down to the player choosing elsewhere by the sounds of it.

10:51Because I don't want to dive too much into Frank and his vision of the squad and why that might influence who we are signing. Because we have a good question on that. And this is going to be primarily a kind of Q &A-y type pod. but I just wanted to get from you your your take because I haven't spoken to you really since uh on here anyway about Thomas Frank about his appointment um you you you pumped about it you all right about it how are you feeling I think and I don't mean this necessarily as like a negative I'm not pumped about it and I think that's actually exactly what we need if you know what I mean I I think it makes a lot of sense, sensible.

11:31He's a good coach. He can adapt. And I think that's what we sorely miss. People say that Ange coming in was great because he was the opposite of Conte and Mourinho. To me, it was just another extreme, but in the opposite direction. We don't need extremes. I don't think football is about extremes anymore. I think that as we've seen with City, everyone's kind of remarked on this about how football has become this kind of, certainly in the Premier League, everyone is quite similar it's very competitive everyone's sort of trying to play the same way because of how the influence that Pep City has had on everyone um so there's no there's no kind of room for these these these extreme kind of approaches anymore what you do need is a is a manager that can um unlock each team and play differently so I think we're actually moving into a different era and it's strange for Spurs and again this is this might age terribly but it seems like or it's possible that we're moving into an era where actually the name of the game is that you have to adapt and we've got a manager who's perfect at that so in that sense yeah it's it's a it's a really encouraging appointment for me there's a question here from Sergio Shoreshot at Andrew Lucas 44 who says do you give a shit that Frank is manager or Or do you just spend all day singing Johnson again?

12:55Olé, olé. I mean, I don't think the two have to be linked, but I will say, you know, I often leave you voice notes in this fashion, Phil. My sort of faux operatic voice that I do. You can't feel about it, mate. You could be the next go compare, man. He spurs, isn't he? So I do when I'm making my coffee in the morning, I am sort of walking around Johnson again I do sing that I'm sure my neighbours are sick of it as well it's catchy isn't it it was driving me mad actually I was singing it so much I couldn't get it out of my head like in the week or 10 days after the final it just kept sort of rattling around you know you find it funny for a bit and you're like oh yeah that was good then it starts becoming like a problem but yeah to the point to the question sorry go on No, I was just going to say, because I have this, I get into these loops where I genuinely will like just sing.

13:57It can even just be like two or three words of a song. And I just sing it out loud over and over again as an almost like reflex to the point where I have to start like saying, shut up out loud to myself. To stop myself from doing it. To start. I sit there punching myself in the face. Shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up. yeah I mean I remember the first time it ever happened to be sort of I don't know what this actually says about me but it was Michael Jackson's Bad so when that came out or when I first heard that as like a seven year old or an eight year old or something and it just got stuck in my head to the point where I was like almost in tears which I don't know if that's apocryphal about Michael Jackson or whatever but I just remember that being quite a telling like moment in my life I was like I couldn't get that I couldn't get that I couldn't stop seeing it as a kid.

14:51Rocking back and forth in my bunk bed. Can't sleep, Jacko will eat me. Am I bad? Does he think I'm bad? But yeah, do we care that Frank's manager? No, as you say, you sort of answered it before. It's all right. Johnson, ole, ole. I mean, banger. I've even sort of the thing is I even like here's some real state of me type insight into it I even sometimes make little noises around it and stuff like as an intermission which I'm not going to do here but uh that's I don't know no yeah yeah yeah sign up patreon.com slash rprpos and you can hear me to hear jack's inane noises face myself one it's patron is sort of it's like it's only fans for podcasters, isn't it?

15:43That's literally what it is. It's like, it's only fans for basically hairy middle-aged men for the most part. Yeah. So there you go. Maybe there's a revenue stream there, mate. I was just going to say, that's not me saying I get my knackers out on Patreon or anything like that. I don't, you know, don't do any of that. Let's move swiftly on from that. Okay, let's do a serious one then. Here's Tom Foynes bringing the mood down um it's a good question like him he says does the idea that frank needs to assess the squad before any transfer decisions are made sort of fly in the face of the apparent strategy that should apply regardless of the manager it just feels like usual excuses and we're barely in july what do you make of that yeah it's a good point because that's exactly what we've been told This is why you have this structure.

16:40I mean, is it surprising that Spurs are doing it badly? No, because that's what we do. As you say, any signings that we make should be based on how we want to play and knowing who the coach is and the coach can coach them, whoever we kind of provide them with. Certainly at this stage, it's not like suddenly you should be throwing out the whole squad of players that we've amassed because a new manager comes in and can't cope or can't use them. So with that in mind, we should have signed Kudus already, for instance. But yeah, I take the point. It does sort of fly in the face, doesn't it? And it is, yeah, I mean, we've come to expect it with Spurs, isn't it?

17:24That there's always a kind of an excuse. We get sold the thing. We get told literally this time, I want to win the league. I want to win the Champions League. Then it's like, oh, but all these reasons, these obstacles that we've thrown up ourselves mean we can't do anything. I mean, not to be a Levy apologist or anything like that, but to be fair to him, all he did say was like, I'd like to win the Premier League in the Champions League. He didn't actually intimate that he was going to try that hard to actually win it. He just said he'd quite like to. So, you know, he's gotten his get-out-of-jail-free card on that one already, but he built it in.

18:03And then Vinay was there kind of, I don't know, kissing his feet after that was a weird that was a weird interview wasn't it it was it was yeah two of those kind of alpha business types because i quite like the quiet subtext of levy constantly trying to assert the fact he was actually the boss and vinai constantly referencing the fact that they were now partners you know it was just it's a nice little game of kind of passive aggressive tennis i felt between the two of them yeah i mean in regards to that like relatively speaking compared to what we've heard from Daniel Levy before I thought it was a positive thing that they kind of did that yes there were bits in that way you're it was toe curling at points right the red wine bit was like come on mate but I think that you know if that's the kind of the the the acorn from what the the mighty oak grows in terms of better communications from the club then fine you know that's kind of how I viewed it again because I'm just not getting necessarily that caught up in all the kind of anguish of it all at the moment I am back to Foynz's sort of question I think one of the other things I would flag mate is that I feel like sometimes a lot of this stuff is sold and you've sort of touched on this already anyway to be fair but a lot of this stuff this idea we are building this strategy we have this kind of really uh almost binary thing in place where it's like plug and play almost like it's like the computer it's like a computer's motherboard and we have all these different components that plug in but it's kind of working on the assumption that like the club is this static base like like a motherboard is i need to sort of stop with this computer analogy but the point i'm trying to make is like we don't have a specific way of doing things we kind of have a way that we want to try and do things which is buying young exciting players that can play a certain brand of football, shall we say a modern brand of football, right?

20:05Inverted wingers and fluid positions and all that type of thing. But really, we are maybe looking into that a bit too much. And I'm not just trying to give Enik kind of a get out of jail free card because I agree. My point is, again, it's sort of to the point you've already made is that we are kind of sold a thing. We are told this is what we have now in place. when the reality is probably a bit more chaotic than that. Because I think if we even ignore the fact of any sort of signings or anything like that we aren't making right now, whether or not they fit in with this supposed strategy or vision of what the club should be or the playing staff should be, I'm not even entirely sure that Thomas Frank, as an individual, fits in with that type of thing.

20:55If we're talking about it being a seamless transition from Postacoglu to Frank. I don't know if it is. I don't look at Frank and think he plays the Tottenham way. And that might be my ignorance in part as to how Thomas Frank's teams play when they're a dominant force. As I've heard, his championship, Brentford, were sublime, were absolutely brilliant, were likened to Pep Guardiola's Manchester City. but still um i just i just i i sort of think to form this question i i honestly think that it's probably not so much about that that's probably an excuse we're sort of saying oh no frank needs a bit of time to assess it so on and so forth there's probably some truth in that my my my sort of bigger gut feeling is really that we as we've kind of heard we are quite cash poor we don't have a lot of money to spend and thus we are waiting for the absolute perfect opportunities to arise for us before we spend any money i think that i personally think that's kind of more what it is right i don't know yeah and i think actually ali goal was on the i think it was the lab podcast i was listening to yesterday he made a good point um which i think is probably lost in all of this and probably is more of a factor than we realise about the homegrown rules for the Champions League squads that were in quite a mess in that regard.

22:31So it might be a part of it that, you know, Frank needs to have a look at Donnelly, needs to have a look at those young players coming back on loan to be able to make a decision as to where do we need to strengthen to be able to fill a squad up for the Champions League. I mean, you know, I don't think it's necessarily part of the plan or was part of the plan but you could kind of see the champions league qualification as actually came as at a bit of a wrong time in that regard because again i'm not saying that we planned that we had plans in place to kind of you know stay in the europa league for a bit and and then work up to it but it certainly caused us a problem squad wise right that we need to kind of um that we need to kind of fix which is just providing another barrier as to why we're going out and actually making some early moves in the market.

23:23Jack Cowling at Jack Cowlin 800-800-51, let's say that. What would you set as the micro and macro targets for Frank both next year and until the end of his first contract? It's really difficult, isn't it? And this is kind of a broader point about predictions preseason, right? You hear it, right? You hear like when Arsenal were like blowing the league and then they have this like coping mechanism where it's like in March or in April, you're saying if they told us at the start of the season, we'd be doing X, we'd have bitten your hand off for it. When the reality is they were top and they blew eight points or whatever.

24:14so it's quite hard to set any sort of targets in that regard without kind of seeing a bit more about what we are going to look like I mean you know that being said I do think Thomas Frank has a bit of a easy one I don't see it that he has to come in and win a trophy next season otherwise people are going to be like oh you're not as good as Posta Koglu he just needs to be not terrible in the league and that's really kind of helpful to him that the expectations there are so low in regards to our kind of league form and you know the reasons for that are one thing but still the fact is that we finished 17th and we got beaten so many times so I think you know it's fair to say that a again a top half finish is is is is definitely a massive improvement but then you kind of say well this squad shouldn't be finishing lower than eighth anyway right so um yeah so so mike so so early yeah top you need to finish in the european places i think i think that needs to be um a target it is quite hard to say isn't it what what is kind of like what his successful initial contract will look like um

25:34I mean, again, it has to be winning a trophy, right? In that time, if it's deemed to be a success. Because we're suddenly we're in this kind of post-trophy glow. I was going to say, people aren't going to like it. But I'm just, I don't know if this is exactly my opinion on the matter. But I think it's either win a couple of trophies, win a trophy or two, you know, like a League Cup and maybe an FA Cup or something like that. another Europa League or just get us back consistently finishing in the top four. And I know people hate that, but I'm simply saying that if we're finishing in the top four consistently, it's probably a sign that the club and the team are playing pretty well, especially in the strength of the Premier League is now.

26:20Personally, I agree with you. Personally speaking, I'd like to see us continue to win stuff, really. Yeah, and I think maybe actually it's less about positions, isn't it? Without ignoring the fact that we need to finish higher up the league than we did. Let's say actually his progress could be if Lukas Bergvold turns into an absolute, you know, one of the star players of the Premier League or certainly star young players of the Premier League. I think that's probably more of a helpful kind of barometer for his success if he's able to come in. And that leads to the idea that we're building a structure that we're starting off with young players and we want to see them develop.

26:56Players like Berth, Valgray, and we talked about it separately, Pape Matassar, that these players suddenly look like actually really, really good players, as opposed to just like young players that we like. Um, what's your, I'll go big, I'll go big at the top because I kind of look at the squad, the place that's in right now. And I think there's a, there's a hell of a lot of promise there. Like I'm, I'm actually quite excited by the future of many of these players. You know, I mean, I've spoken at length on here about Pat Matassar, for example, as a player who I really like. and there was a Anthony friend of the show shared a shared a compilation with me the other day of Papsar and he's got such talent he obviously like you say he needs to find that consistency he needs to he needs to find a level of maturity I think to his game there was quite a there was quite revealing little moment and I like how more and more little moments from the from the final come to light as the weeks draw on but there was one little moment in the guard of honor when And Papsar was kind of like messing around as Manchester United were walking through and everyone was applauding them.

28:13The Spurs players were. Papsar was kind of messing around and Sonny gave him a bollocking. Do you know what I mean? It's kind of in that moment where you're like, yeah, just come on. I know he's excited. I know he's a young player, but still, you know, there are moments like that as we're talking about maturity, where somebody's probably showing their lack of maturity. And I know, I know so much is given to us. Don't walk over the bad. Show respect. class clapping hands emojis and stuff but probably in moments like that I think it's probably just the right thing for uh for a gracious victor to at least kind of clap his you know his his defeated foe but that's sort of that's that's that's tangential I mean like my sort of the main point I want to make is that like to me I think Frank has the tools at his disposal to really make Tottenham a really formidable outfit.

29:03I do think we can, you know, and I'm not saying that's definitely going to happen, but I think the potential is there for Spurs to be a truly brilliant side. Now, hopefully we can have a similar kind of trajectory as we had under Maurizio Pochettino. And by that, I mean a core of very talented young players and some of them might not make it all the way as you've seen at Arsenal down the road as well. They've had a sort of similar thing where they start off with this core of young, talented players, and then a few of those sink and some swing kind of thing. And then we'll add a few more players.

29:38We'll add a few more talented players down the seasons. And what I think we will arrive at is that point again, where if we want to be a serious outfit and by serious, I mean, I genuinely mean actually winning the premier league or actually winning the champions league, which is pretty much the only stones left unturned for Tottenham Hotspur. Now, if we want to do that, if we want to take the step to be that type of team, that is, we all know, we all know the, we all know what this means. It means that the board have to, they have to spend big money on whoever the top talent is in whatever position we need at that point in time and maybe maybe we'll do that at that point two three years down the line but I am hopeful at least anyway that Thomas Frank and this group of players right now can go on a journey where we become very good where we become very competitive again and to to give Vange Postacoglu is flowers, as it were.

30:42I think the fact that we did win the Europa League before he left, regardless of the league form, which I've dug him out about a lot, I do think the gift he gave us of winning a Europa League at the very end will have massively projected us upwards. I think the confidence and the self-belief that that will have given this group of young players It's basically what we didn't get. You know, when that Pochettino, that young team, lost that League Cup final against Chelsea, this is the inverse of that. This is us winning it. And hopefully that can take us on another level. But, you know, I don't really think I've answered kind of the micro-macro question.

31:28On a micro level, let's get us back in the top eight, at least. On a macro level, let's get us a team that... Let's have him get us to a place where, like I say, we are a couple of 70 plus million pound signing short of maybe winning the Premier League. That's, that's, that to me is a measure of success. I think.

31:52Let's, here's one to you, I'll let you get a word in edgeways now, Phil. William Gardner, good lad friend of the show at William Gardner says, imagine you've had seven pints over a long Saturday evening. it's taxi time but wait your head is asking for something a kebab my question is what is your kebab of choice salad and sauce options detailed and do you eat it there or do you go home with it um i don't eat it there because i don't want to get involved in any trouble you know me in terms of kebab of choice i'm really partial to a shawarma but i would say i would say hit and miss but rarely do they hit i'm just going to say it now chicken shawarma's in the uk are in a shambles right something needs to change um i i used to be known for a chips and meat which is real sort of disgraceful behavior um back in the day um which is one of those things which started out as a joke you know you hear people ordering it you're like well state of that and then you order it for a laugh and then you're like actually this is pretty bang on um but um i don't really like sheesh if i'm going for a kebab because i feel like that's just uh usually usually poor if you're gonna go it go for it mate donna innit garlic and chili sauce as well not not playing around is that is Is it, I know what you're saying about like the shawarma in the UK because, and I think, I mean, I'm sure people will shout at me here, but like gyros and shawarma to me are very similar, right?

33:39It's a load of chicken thighs up on a spit and they're kind of shaved, right? So you're getting those little shaved bits of crispy meat. And I agree because I generally don't touch that in the UK. But when I'm in like Greece, Cyprus or whatever, all day long, all day long I will eat because it stays kind of succulent and nice and yeah and you need that caramelization don't you I mean so often you open up your your chicken shawarma and it's just that like pale no mate that that milk toast insipid kind of it's not even gone on that side of the grill for a while don't don't need that I mean to be honest the last time I had a shawarma I couldn't go too far from a toilet for about two weeks.

34:21And that was only a few months ago. So yeah, it's a painful subject for me. I probably haven't had a donog kebab in, honestly speaking, two decades. I haven't had a donog. And I don't particularly dislike them, but I love a chicken sheesh. i love a chicken cheese i do i love a chicken cheese um healthy i see i don't know it's probably probably i guess it probably is but is it still healthy after you've had it slathered in like garlic and chili and stuff um seven pints yeah well yeah exactly but no i like that i like it with lettuce and not not an awful lot of kebab houses do this but you know it's a mark of a very very good kebab house when they've got the like red cabbage as well so i love a bit of lettuce red cabbage squeeze a lemon on it um and squeeze a lemon yeah have you never you know had that mate yeah yeah just is it are you shaming my kebab i'm not squeezing squeezing lemons after seven pints mate is it a bit too artisan a bit yeah i just feel like if we went for a kebab and we have done I just feel like I would be always trying to shame everyone else in here doing this I'll have it on a plate and I'll eat it in here Can I have a little knife and fork please while you're shoveling rashes of donor meat into your face with your hands all sourced around your mouth and everything You're just going to sit at the bus stop aren't you?

36:02I'm going to sit at a table Do I I think it's Do I take it home first or not? I would say I play that one by ear I would say because sometimes you know when you're properly properly either hungry or as he's stating they're like the seven pints zone you're kind of spinning and you've got like stomach acid and all that and you're like I just need I just need something in me um all matron but uh yeah yeah I mean I've got yeah I mean bringing it home feels like a bit that you're tainting your house, right? Bringing it over the threshold. It's like inviting a vampire in. But yeah, I'm not going to eat it.

36:45I won't eat it there at the counter where they're like staring at me. I'll eat it within like, you know, 20 yards of the place. When we were in Crystal Palace, where did we eat those? I can't remember. I remember getting them. That was the last time I remember you and I getting one, which I think was a shawarma. Did we just eat outside? Was that when we went to that like ropey pub by the train station? Yeah. Yeah. I think we just ate them on a wall or something, didn't we? Yeah, that sounds about right. That's a happy medium. Yeah, on a wall. Then what are we doing now? Sitting on a wall squeezing a lemon all over the place in the dark.

37:22What's this geezer doing? I hope that's answered your question, William. Chili and garlic as well. And especially, you know, I don't mind the Costco big squeezy bottles of chili, but I really do. Again, I like a kebab house. that has like a little like homemade, almost like that watery chili sauce that they get out on a little ladle, but it's always a lot more spicy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like that. I like that a lot.