De Zerbi’s "Bomba" Tease, Kulusevski Returns & Hard Truths at Hotspur Way (feat. Flav)

27:05It's someone technical enough to do that work in that area of the pitch. And the fact that Kulisevsky is comfortable in the 10 and comfortable wide so is Simmons you could argue the same thing and Madison should easily be able to be fluid in that as well. That's kind of the role that these guys are going to be playing rather than it mattering whether or not Kulisevski plays through the middle or wide right. So it's going to be quite exciting to see. I think when it works, we're going to be an unbelievable team to watch, but also especially effective as well. Just quickly, you know, like the patella injury that is similar to what Ronaldo, our nine had.

27:43And he came back and I think he won the Golden Boot at the World Cup after his patella injury. And I think he won the Ballon d 'Or after it as well. So there is hope for...

27:55Jack:No pressure, Decky. Absolutely no pressure at all. To your point now about De Zerbe, it's sort of gotten normalized. I mean, for me anyway, it's become sort of normalized immediately, actually quite how good we already look as a team. Like you watch Spurs play now and yeah, all right, it's not a barnstorming win to beat Sydney FC on penalties, but still it's encouraging to see the way Spurs are knocking the ball about actually playing with some sort of structure. Whereas, you know, you cast your mind back to some of the, look, I know this winds people up, but some of the darker days under Ange, especially the entirety of the Thomas Frank, you know, rain disaster.

28:35Jack:Look at this and you just think, what are we doing? What's actually going on here? Nobody cares. Nobody knows what they're doing. The Zerbys come in almost immediately and turn things around. I think, you know, I want to be optimistic. You know, this whole kind of careful optimism thing, I'm not really buying it anymore, mate. I don't know what's the point I just want to be excited about it I can't I can't I'm 41 years old I'm going to die soon you know in the grand scheme of things soon I want to see Spurs do something look if you can't if someone can't is sort of has an inability to find excitement in these moments before a ball is kicked then there's nothing you can do to change that but there's nothing what else do you want to be right now other than blindly optimistic about what might come that's the only position the most healthiest position to take up like for your mental health for all aspects of of creating a positive environment for yourself be excited but why not it doesn't matter if it doesn't start the way we want it to start at this point it'd be frustrating then and you'd have to deal with it then but you don't know you can't worrying about the inevitable when there's no ways to predict it is uh it's a foolish foolish place to be in my opinion so yeah i'm going to be excited the fact that we've been aggressive in the transfer market bringing in fernandez tonali bringing in free two excellent free transfers and robertson and uh and van hecker as well do you know what i found really weird right i've had several conversations and i've been listening to um the radio whereas crystal palace fans are obsessed with the valuation of van hecker and how much they should get for lacroix yeah it's really strange i had a conversation with dan cook who takes your tco on a podcast to do with him and he was like twice he's bought up van hecker's price compared to lacroix's price because he's gone to chelsea and then i was listening to on the radio and then they went well van hecker van hecker went for 53 million so lacroix with three years left on his contract should obviously go for more than van hecker and i'm why are they obsessing over this that's two different players that's a Brighton Palace thing bleeding into it though isn't it?

30:42Jack:It's just yeah I think it's just that petty what sort of a derby is that? What sort of a rivalry is that? Palace against look come on I know your pals with what's his name but come on you know it gets quite tasty I don't know isn't that the best of my room? A few slobs fighting in a little car park's not do you know what I mean there's nothing is it you know fair fair yeah I'll tell you what I am blindly optimistic about mate it's Mathis Tell what a goal I like him where are you Antel? I've loved I think he has the right attitude right application and I saw that I mean I always felt he handled himself well anyway I never had any doubts that his aptitude and his willingness to play for the football club it was never in any doubt really but there were moments when Andrew was having a go at the players and it was him that was there trying to stop it.

31:39As a 21-year-old, or 20-year-old kid then who was on loan, I think, at the time, the fact that he wants to be involved and be in the middle of that is, it just shows you that he cares, right? And as long as he's cared for by the football club, I don't think there's a world where he won't want to play for Spurs, especially if things are going in the right direction. And that attitude showed last year when things were bad, his willingness to get on the ball and not hide and drive and try and create something. That is, it sounds obvious, oh, he should be able to do that. He should be open to offers.

32:09He's a professional football player playing for Tottenham, of course, but we didn't see it in large parts of last season. It felt like a lot of them had given up or completely uninspired by what was happening in the football club for good reason. Tell, to me, always seemed up for it and scored big goals when we needed him. So, yeah, look, I'm saying whoever comes in the football club isn't guaranteed to start because Matis Tell is there. Even if Savinho comes in, if Rashford comes in, I think that's a no-brainer. but Savino and Tell to me are competing. No, not, it isn't. Drop Savino in immediately and Tell sits at a bench.

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33:12Jack:Do I feel this? It's refreshing to me because to me, it's one of the strangest, like, I don't know, culture wars. I've been talking about this with people on Discord. Patreon.com slash RTRpod joining the Discord. But still, chatting on the Discord about the term culture war and how we sort of overuse that to just mean disagreement. And I kind of agree with that. So there's a long-standing disagreement on Mattis Tell with the fan base. It seems to be there's a not insignificant amount of people that just think he's like shit. It's not even like he's not that good. People like it really riles people.

33:47Jack:If you just say, I quite like him, I think he's quite a talented player. It gets into that whole kind of you're that type of fan, you're the one that'll accept Enix standards. I think people forget like it was seen as a massive coup when Spurs got Mattis Telling. like this was on a buy-in sort of like wonder kids yeah he'd not really managed to break through there but they just signed harry kane there's a lot of pressure at a club like buy-in yeah the sort of the idea of getting mattis tell was was big he's been one of those names that's been shipped around europe for you know a few years right i remember having a uh the conversation with ricky at the time and he was like this is never going to happen he's like and and i kind I believed him and it did happen.

34:31People are saying that if you think he's all right, then you're singing the tune.

34:37Jack:This is just an example, but you know how it gets. Fair enough. I'm bemused if you think that there isn't a player there and we can't get the most out of him. There isn't an opportunity for us to do that. And in fact, it doesn't hurt our first team at all. what is it that you've seen that you dislike so much explain that to me rather than just saying he's shit anyone can fucking say he's shit or he's good what is it that you what do you mean by shit do you actually mean we could do better that's not shit is it you know we should be after a bigger profile of player that's not him being shit so what is it about you why are you saying it is what the question because I don't know what they mean by that I think the opposite of that I think there's a player there that is desperate to play first team football and will listen and do what needs to be done in order to achieve that and you know You're suggesting there's an element of racism there, that they're all racist, the people that don't.

35:31Jack:It feels like that's what you're intimating, mate. You're scaring around it. You're saying, what is it that you don't like exactly? With this one? No, I'm just saying with the performance of the players, his performances at Tottenham, what is it that he's done that makes you think he's shit? He's our best left winger at the football club, without question at the moment. You don't score. It doesn't matter who the opposition is. you don't score a free kick like that at all if you're bobbins like there is obviously a player there the way he cuts in off the wing and twats it every now and again he hasn't scored as many as I would have liked but he still is I think there's plenty to be excited about in Mattis Tell I really like him I think he's going to do really well under Zerbi I think he is I like him, he's good as a few of our younger players I think everybody's done it to death we can't really talk too much about it but you know Malachi Hardy's been playing quite well Luca Williams Barnett is you know what do you call him he called him like a diamond or something like that um yeah yeah I think we all know how good this lad's going to be I just you know I'm just I'm not fully buying this idea that Deserby coming to the club is going to suddenly be like the death of youth talent at Tottenham Hotspur we sold Vyscovic I get it people are concerned about that but I think it's I think it's a much there's there's so many more pieces to that than just he doesn't want a young player you know yeah I don't care I don't care if I never see a young player play for Spurs again I don't give a shit I think why are we obsessed with this are we not obsessed with having the best possible first team is that not what we're trying to do here I mean I do I get it I get the like I understand it the journey we went on with Harry Kane for example was incredible it was wonderful once in a lifetime experience yeah we'll never see that ever again Probably not, no.

37:17Jack:Just leave it then. Just leave it. It happened. Brilliant. You know, like when we sold Will Lancashire, people were literally talking like, we've just sold a young Harry Kane. We all saw what happened. Like, come on, man. 20 mil. 20 mil for Lancashire is a very good deal. You've got to be pragmatic in these instances. Will Lancashire, in fact, there is no number nine that exists in Great Britain, or probably not even the world right now, that is going to have the career that Harry Kane has had. It is, you're talking about once in a generation. Good type of player Harry Kane is. You know, there's him, there's Mbappe, what?

37:51Give me another player. So he's the best number nine in the world. To say that Will Langshear is anything, he's even going to have a quarter of the career that Harry Kane has. And that is not, you know, a slight on him at all. Of course, things can happen and can be wrong, but you can't anticipate, or we better not let anyone go in because they could become a better footballer than we thought. Will Langsje is not going to play for Tottenham this year. So it's a loan or as it's come out, he wanted to go and sign for a team and play first team football. De Zerbe has also said the same to Beraval and Spence.

38:23I want you to stay, but it's up to you. And that is the correct energy. Now, if you were saying we was in European football, then I'm saying keep Will Langsje. I'm saying keep Spence, keep Beraval, keep them. Because there's a role to play and we can develop them. Right now, we don't have time to do that. We don't have opportunity for these players to do it. We've got an opportunity to spend big because of the way the rules are currently and how long Spurs sat well under the threshold for squad cost ratio and PSR. So now that Levy's gone, there's an appetite to spend. Let's take advantage of that.

38:55Let's not worry about blocking routes for young players coming through. Let's build the best first 16 we can possibly, possibly build. And if Williams Barnett can fit within that, brilliant. That's great. And I think he will, by the way. I think he's going to be a part of it. You can just tell he's a cut above cut.

39:12Jack:It's similar to, remember when Dele was playing for us in pre-season and stuff, and you just look at him and you're like, yeah, he's, you know, this kid can play football. No, yeah, he's confident, he's cocky, he believes he deserves to be there. And that's why he will make it probably at Spurs. Now, should we offer the same extension to Donnelly? Probably not, because he's not going to be playing football for a team that's in the top six of the Premier League. so I'm not I know it's an unpopular position I think it is anyway right now developing Will Langshere isn't at the forefront of what we should be concentrating Do you trust just on this one point about like the financial fair play about the money Spurs spending and stuff Ledley King you know I know a lot of people see him as just like the PR arm of Tottenham nowadays but Ledley King did you know came out the other day and said that the Lewis's really really want to change things at Spurs they want to change the perception and they want to turn Tottenham into the club that we've threatened to be for however long.

40:11Jack:Do you trust them, Gal? Are you starting to believe? Well, you can only go on what you've seen, right? What you've seen is them turn down offers to buy the football club. And I did a podcast with a guy called Matt Slater of The Athletic, and he mainly deals in articles of acquisitions of football clubs and ballroom. Yeah, it was really good. It was great to listen to and have him on. But what he said, and he's better placed than anybody to say that this is true. He said that everyone assumed in the industry that Spurs are up for sale. The natural position that Enoch are going to place is that club isn't up for sale because they're not giving up any leverage.

40:54And they said, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But you are actually up for sale. And they said, okay, you write what you want, but you will see what happens. And what's happened is they've, after a terrible season, put out two very clear and definitive statements, one from Peter Charrington and one from the Lewis family that said things were going to change. Now, I was impressed by that for one reason. Not everyone was. Everyone said, this is just more meaningless words. Let's see what the evidence is, which is absolutely fine as well. But what they did is they put themselves on account of saying, we are going to do this.

41:25Now, if they don't do it, then that can be used as a way of maneuvering against them. You promised this. an official statement and nothing has changed. Therefore, you have to be put under pressure. Whatever maximum amount of pressure they need to be put under by the fan base, that should have happened if they reneged on what they said. They haven't. They've done what they've said. They've broke our transfer record twice in the window. They have been shrewd in the signings of Robertson and Sinesi. They have given Deserby, they've appointed Deserby and moreover, given him what he's asked for. Van Hecker signed 53 million with a year left on his contract when we already have Romero then.

42:01All of this stuff under the current ownership wouldn't have happened. Brendan Johnson wouldn't have been sold for 35 million, which looks like, honestly, the best deal we've ever done, incoming and outcoming. Getting 35 million for him. You should see what the Palace fans are saying about it. So I can only go by so far, so good. Long may it continue. We're not going to be able to spend like this forever. This is an opportunity, a window to do it. But we're building a foundation and this is the most aggressive we've been in the transfer market since I can remember, ever, actually. you'd have to go back to the seven we brought in when we sold Baal but we had Baal's money so that wasn't speculation that was trying to you know fill the hole that Baal left so I what you have to just look at the evidence and the evidence is yes things have changed I saw you know when you

42:46Jack:I don't know about you but sometimes when I'm on a Twitter or something like that I will go down in the comments I'll go down the threads of you know people's conversations and I saw one the other day from a Palace fan which was Brennan Johnson is the only time that a BJ would seem unappealing so I do I feel sorry for the lad I do feel I feel bad for him and he is you know to a certain degree he's a Tottenham legend and always will be you know without him we wouldn't have done it would we you know um and he seems like a nice kid you know he does seem like a nice kid it's not nice is there space for nice in no no that's kind of it isn't it and I think that's look this is something that obviously like Deserby is I think he's cutting through with his candor and I really I appreciate it I really because I've loved these press conferences so mate there's so much of this that there are a lot of there's a lot of uncomfortable conversations to be had about Tottenham about the squad about the players about probably the way in which we have acted in the last few years and I do just feel like and maybe it's uncomfortable for some people maybe we've been conditioned to feel a certain way and this is sort of what we're talking about but you know when he comes in and he sees a player like Bergvau who is I get it this is the thing I was sort of I was sort of told I was being overly negative about him my point the other day was and this is exactly what I said Bergvau is an incredibly talented player who I can see having a Premier League career and if not that a Premier League adjacent career where he plays for somebody like Dortmund and consistently plays Champions League football right I think he great career from him in this position.

44:20Jack:I think he's a very talented player. The point I'm making, and I think somebody like Deserby is making though, is that he's not there yet. And if he doesn't want to be on the pathway that I'm putting him on, I will sell him. And I'm happy to do that because to your sort of point, I'm not dealing in potential. I'm dealing in who wants to be here now, who is focused on making Tottenham a better team now, and who's focused on improving themselves. If he doesn't want to be here, if he doesn't want to be a part of that, we have to be more ruthless of that and i don't think he's being unfair do you mean he's come out he said he's a very good player i don't want to lose him he but he he is very clear in what he wants the way he wants to play the amount of time he wants to play and i can't guarantee that to him and if he's not happy with that then we'll talk to johan we'll talk to vinay and we'll get him a move and we just need a bit of that don't we we need a bit of that 100 look he's like like you don't want to lose the opportunity the upside of of of a player's career but but can you legitimately or anybody out there legitimately say that Beraval starts in our midfield ahead of Tonali and Fernandes no so if they're fit he's not going to play so he should say I'm going to get a loan and you know I'll move on or but but he isn't as good as better than those players and I'm honestly I know there's a player in there and I know that because everyone keeps telling me that that's the fact but there's been he's there's so much work he's got so much work to do he really has and you know for 45 million right now is good business in my opinion i don't i don't have any issue with it i'd football writer um jack gallagher on the other day he's not a spurs fan and his sort of take on this whole situation was you've you've got a player who's a similar age plays in a similar position now in fernandez you've upgraded on bergwell you just have like bergwell is now competing against fernandez and the way things are right now fernandez is a comprehensively better player than Lucas Bergvau.

46:14He's just marginally older.

46:16Jack:And that's it. You know, when you're a club that wants to win a Premier League, win a Champions League, you have to be quite ruthless with this stuff. And I think a lot of people are comfortable. A lot of people are sort of comfortable in that kind of not being that club. It's easier to not be that club. It's nicer. It would be nice. It'd be nice for Bergvau to come and, you know, learn he's become a great midfielder at Spurs. And you can also pat him on the ass when Real Madrid come and buy him off us. But we had the same thing when Poch first came in, remember? We had that culture at Tottenham where we had good players who were quite comfortable.

46:53Jack:And Poch came in and made those uncomfortable decisions. He got rid of players like Aaron Lennon, who were loved by the fan base. But we all knew, like for all the incredible things that Lennon had going for him, we all knew he wasn't a top player. He wasn't very, very cream of the crop Premier League talent. He was an incredible player for Spurs. He's one of my favourite Spurs players of all time. But what I'm saying is sometimes it takes somebody coming from the outside, somebody who has that vision of wanting to take a club to the next step, who knows what has to be done, who can come in, who perhaps doesn't have that same emotional connection to a lot of these players.

47:31Jack:As Pochettino did, he came in and was like, I can get rid of somebody like Aaron Lennon because he doesn't really fit with the vision that I have for this club. and it just feels like that's what Deserby's doing now. He's not here to make friends with everybody. He's here. Kilpatrick's already said this on one or the other. I'm not sure which podcast it was. It might have been the last word on Spurs. He was saying that the feeling is the pressure is on Deserby straight away. As much as the club want to do right by Deserby, he saved the club. They are giving him a substantial amount of money. What comes with that is that he backs up a lot of these promises that he's made that he's going to be able to turn Tottenham into not only a Champions League competing side, like getting into the top five, a team that, in his own words, is going to try and win the title.

48:19Jack:And so I guess what comes with that is making these uncomfortable... Look, people can scoff at this, right? People can scoff at this all they like, and scoff at the comparison between the clubs, the infrastructure, the men themselves. But somebody like Pep Guardiola, somebody like Jurgen Klopp, went into their respective clubs and made tough decisions. Didn't always make the popular decision. You know, Jurgen Klopp went in at first at Liverpool, played his geg and press, his rock and roll football. It only got them so far. He got rid of his number two, the guy he'd worked with pretty much his entire career.

48:50Jack:Brought in a new number two. Switched to a much more pragmatic style of football. Made some tough decisions in the transfer market. Started to, you know, overhaul things in terms of like, you know, worked more closely with Ian Graham, you know, the book you keep going on about, which I've listened to as well, which is great. it's a fascinating insight into how a club that was a you know not historically but in that moment in time was neck and neck with somebody like Spurs how they went that next level again yeah you got to make the right it's making Pochettino said that there's going to be a painful rebuild and I don't think any of us really knew what that meant and to this day we probably don't we're guessing if I had to guess it's about selling players you've become attached to that aren't fit for purpose anymore.

49:35That just didn't happen at Spurs. We're not used to selling players. I think a lot of Spurs fans' idea about what selling players means is our very best ones get pinched by bigger clubs like Manchester United and Real Madrid. When actually realising and becoming a good selling club is more crucial now than ever before. And we're not used to seeing players go until we don't want them anymore. That's just the reality. What is the problem with selling Berovan Vyskovic and a Borough Lancashire is because there's potential there, untapped potential that could benefit the football club. But it's a gamble to keep them.

50:05What's real is the transfer fee we can get and how aggressive we can use that money to improve the rest of the squad. And this would only be important. This is only relevant. And we should only be fine with letting these players go if you have an ownership model that is football first, who will reinvest the money in the football team. And it appears to be the case. So yeah, you just have to... I'm not even bothered about selling to rivals. I would happily sell to the top six other teams. That's where the money is. That's how you maximize it. We focus on us. and that's how we behave. When did Man City ever have a problem?

50:36Jack:This is the other thing, isn't it? Romero, you know? If it's Man United, so be it. You can't sell Romero to AC Milan for£30 million or whatever, you know? If United or somebody are there with 50-60, you've got to do that. You just have to. I'd drive Romero to wherever he wanted to go. That's how I feel about him at the moment. He'd be watching porn on his phone as well while he did it. Just a couple of quick questions before I let you go, Flav. Yeah, man. Graham McConnell here's a nice one to start you off Graham McConnell at McConnell underscore G says would you take Spurs being Premier League champions in 27-28 if it meant Arsenal won the quadruple the season after I wouldn't I don't know people used to say would you get relegated to stop Arsenal winning the league and I always said yeah of course but with the reality when we were facing reality yesterday I was like actually I'm not as bold as I think I am but then winning the quadruple would be awful the following season.

51:33It'd be disgusting. It'd be disgusting.

51:35Jack:Game over again. This was the point about us getting relegated. I was thinking if we get relegated and they win the Premier League and the Champions League that same season, right? It's over. The rivalry is done. They've completed it. They've won. Even if we came back and won back-to-back Premier League titles, they'll be like, I don't care. We won the Premier League and the Champions League this season, you got relegated. Unless the same thing happened in reverse, it never surpasses that. Young Pint Lover, Pint Appreciator says, rank these Spurs strikers. Richarlison, Jansen, Llorente, Soldado, Adebayor, Solanke.

52:15Adebayor, one. Yeah, definitely. Or two. Llorente? I think he's number one. Llorente, two?

52:22Jack:Yeah. Who were the others? So then, so we got, yeah, Soldado, Jansen, Richarlison, Solanke. I think Richarlison third. Absolutely. Richarlison third last is Jansen the worst worst footballer I've ever seen and then we've got just so clearly not a Premier League footballer at all yeah then you put Solanke after Richarlison and then Soldado I think that's pretty much right yeah I mean honestly speaking there's not an awful lot between Soldado and Solanke for me Solanke gets more because he's done it at Bournemouth not because he's done it at Spurs I rate him higher than that but I think the injuries are what have really where you can't put him any higher.

53:01I think it fully fits the Lanky's. You're not having him now.

53:06Jack:No, I just mean it still just hurts the Soldado one. Do you know what I mean? A player outscored only by Messi and Ronaldo in La Liga to come and just be, to not even be like, I could have stomached it if he came and he was average and he was getting 10 Premier League goals a season and you're like, yeah, whatever, he's all right. He was just so abject. And we saw it, we saw it the first, remember that first day Palace away I remember watching him thinking oh no he's shit isn't he do you know what I mean like you could just see him in the same window I was like oh my god he's shit he's Brazilian he's shit and I sort of in free game I remember I was talking on the podcast about it and I went I think he's shit lads and I proved to be right in that instance but look it just shows you that the Premier League even in that era was there's some players that just can't do it and sort of I just couldn't do it.

53:59It turned into... It's about how the environment that these players are playing in and the manager understanding them and getting the best out of them and can they relate to them. And I just think culturally he just struggled massively.

54:09Jack:This is an interesting one, Gal. I just can't bother talking about football anymore. Benny in the Guesseritz says, what's the tourist attraction in London that you like the most? As a Londoner. Do anything off the... Big Ben's impressive, isn't it? you know how's the parliament impressive sort of pubs that's what i'd say we're pubs uh yeah i suppose i don't know you live there i was after i did some work for the um the world cup and a couple of the games ended really late like the what game was it i can know the uh norway game ended late didn't it um and we've and i finished and i was in central london i thought i'd walk to my hotel and uh i spent it it transpired about an hour long walk but it was okay because i was walking through central london i was heading to white chapel where my hotel was uh and just taking in the beauty of of central london and the and parliaments and and how the construction and architecture is actually quite breathtaking when you pause to look at it and you realize why london such an appealing place for people to come to visit so while i was imagining that i was walking and I eventually got to my hotel.

55:19And I got to the hotel and it was a derelict house and a nuts on the window and there was a bloke who was filling walls and he opened the door and he went, you're the fifth person who's come here tonight. We're not a hotel. And I was like, I booked it for booking.com. Of course we're a hotel. And I went, I promise you I'm not. I went, look.

55:33Jack:Oh, you got done by that? Yeah. Do you know, that's an established big scam, this booking.com thing. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I got there and I was like, all right, okay, what am I going to do now? And he went, I don't know. me i'm just a paint and decorator i mean well past 12 at night painting decorating anyway i ended up trying to book a hotel the one hotel i could find was 650 quid i just couldn't find a hotel so as a 44 year old man semi sort of successful i'd spend an entire night sitting in paddock and station with the you know other people like me um did you get moved on no so so you're allowed to sit in paddock and station just not allowed to lie down that found out so the security guard kept coming up.

56:17Stop lying down. You found out. I found out, yeah, yeah. I found out you could sit, but not lie. Some homeless man tried to sell me a pair of Nike trainers in an Adidas box. Got these brand new trainers, mate, do you want these? And looked at them, like, I don't want to make that. Where did you find them? Anyway, so I called booking.com and they gave me my money back within 45 minutes. But I said, it's still on there. You can still book it now. What is the scam? But you know. It's this.

56:41Jack:I don't know how it's happening, but people are somehow listing properties that don't actually exist. So people are just showing up to... I think somebody else... I've told that story before. I want to say it to my mum or something. Yeah, I think someone else I know it happened to as well, which is concerning. Did it happen to me? No, it didn't happen to me. It happened to someone I know. I don't know, mate. Mine's fucking mush nowadays. The internet. Do you know what I mean? The amount of people I talk to here and there, different things, emails, WhatsApp, this, that, doing podcasts. I just don't know what I've said to anybody.

57:15Jack:Where? Yeah, but the amount of podcasts I'm doing is that I don't know who I've spoken to and when and what I've said. So you end up repeating yourself and stuff. Even my kids say I keep repeating myself. So I don't know what's happening. I think we're on the tail end of this miserable existence. Well, on that note, Flav, mate, I mean, thank you. Obviously, I know everybody will know they can listen to you on The Fighting Cock. But the lab as well is very good. you often you know some very good content on there what have you got coming up we've got a guy called on on next wednesday he started a instagram he hasn't isn't very big yet but i saw a couple of these videos and i was really impressed by it and he does football by numbers through the numbers it's called and two or three of them have been about spurs one about the cost of the stadium and the not the cost of the stadium less so the than the the money coming in with a central focus around the retractable pitch.

58:08So what Spurs have over the other five big clubs in England is that we've got this pitch, which guarantees us about£100 million a year that these other teams can't replicate because they're not going to just dig up a retractable pitch. It's not feasible. And then we go into the injuries of the pitch and why they might have an impact. And there's other bits and pieces that we're going to talk about. So that's coming next week. But other than that, I'm behind a little bit in setting these conversations up. You don't want to force them out, but you want them to be regular. So it's quite a hard thing to juggle.

58:43Jack:Just talk about any odd shit then like I do, mate. We do that. Do you still want people to follow you on Instagram? Yeah. Is that what I said last time? Yeah. Follow me on Instagram. Don't monetize that shit. Is it Flav underscore Bateman? Flav, mate. Much love. Love you. You're a legend. See you. Bye-bye. Thank you.