Djed Spence To Liverpool? Media Anti-Spurs Agenda & Kulusevski’s Return (feat. Billie T)

27:45Jack:And I don't think that's overstating it. Kulishevsky really was one of those players that never stopped running. Every time, you know, he was pretty much on the pitch for us. He would keep going to the final whistle. And you just need a bit of that endeavour. He kind of, you know, he sort of, he was, before his injury as well, one of Sweden's sort of main characters. And he carries himself in that way. He's got that energy about him. And I mean, look, Mohamed Kudis as well. like we were all very very excited about signing him last year and it feels like we've never really even it's not like we've we've had chance to like get hold of him properly we've not really sort of fully experienced him we've seen like a version of him that had like the guardrails put up by Thomas Frank yeah we're just sort of just get the ball to Kudis and see what he can do kind of thing with no real plan with no real thought about attacking patterns of play about what we should be doing with the ball in the final third and i know that's kind of that feels like a you know an armchair assessment of what it was that thomas frank was doing but that's what it looked like to all of us you know um so now he was always he was always double marked as well wasn't it because that was yeah i really attack it out there everyone just knew if they stopped good if they stopped top and so now the chance to see could as playing for like a progressive manager who utilizes players exactly of his skill set is very exciting and hopefully you know because I think there's been some whispers and stuff that he hasn't been overly happy with the club and the way in which they've handled his injury and surgery and all that type of thing.

29:15Jack:Hopefully now it can be something of a clean slate. I would imagine that Deserby has sat down with him and had probably a pretty frank and honest discussion with him about everything. It sounds like Deserby's done that with everyone, doesn't it? Yeah, and he tried to sign him at Brighton, didn't he? Which was really exciting. Did he? Okay. That's very nearly sign him at Brighton. I think it just fell through the last minute and so hopefully there's that there as well. And I think what you said about Thomas Frank is like, it's going to be so weird seeing Kudus in a genuinely attacking team because when you think about last season, or the beginning of last season, Kudus, I think he got six assists in the end to Thomas Frank and it was just like, hoof the ball to Kudus and just see what can happen.

29:54That was pretty much all that we were essentially. Bang it down the channel to Kudus. Kudus got double mark pretty quickly. Teams figured that out and there's not a lot he can do. But even then he managed to get six assists and sometimes he looks electric. but in a team where suddenly you've got like you know you've got actual attacking patterns you've got pedro par knowing exactly what to do you've got you know hopefully we'll have possibly savina or the new version of tal in there as well you've got you know son anki coming to get the ball you can have a team that has wants to be of the ball and wants to play with the ball and um yeah it's going to be just unbelievably exciting i remember there was that sort of interview i don't know if you saw it during the rounds a couple of days ago deserving where he's talking about why he wants his teams to play it from the back and stuff and it's just a world away of what we saw with Thomas Frank, who's essentially just all about duels, duels, duels.

30:39It was like smash the ball down to Kudus and hope that he can win his duel, whereas now it's going to be, this is what we're going to do. We're going to start from Kinski and this is how we're going to get the ball to Kudus and this is exactly what Kudus is going to do when he gets it. It's just, I think he's really going to thrive under the deserving.

30:52Jack:It's funny how much this stuff permeates though, mate. Even to people outside of Spurs, just as a random anecdote, I was in the gym the other day, I was wearing Spurs shorts and a guy was, he saw the badge on him and was like, oh, you must be happy this year. It's a bit different from what you've had the last couple of years and we were talking about nearly getting relegated and all that type of thing. He was actually a Huddersfield Town fan, interestingly enough. I mentioned Raj to him. But his thing was saying it was crazy to see a Premier League manager getting that step up, somebody like Thomas Frank, and for his first kind of big thing to say, I will guarantee you one thing, we're going to lose matches.

31:34Jack:He was just saying even from the outside, it's like, what are you doing, man? You can't say that. And I sort of think that you do have a habit, especially as a Spurs fan, of thinking, am I just looking too much into this, right? Does it really matter if a manager said that? You got the point he was trying to make. He was just making it in a clunky way. But when you hear somebody from the outside saying, of course you don't fucking say that when you're the manager of a club. Like you say, it really just demonstrates, doesn't it? When you've got this sort of geezer that's saying to everybody, all the new signings, we want to win the league.

32:09Jack:Come join me. We'll win the league for Tottenham. We'll make history. And you've got the last fella saying, ah, it's difficult. We're going to lose games though. You think, what? Of course people aren't going to get behind that. Of course, you know, I didn't like it and I still don't particularly like it, but can I understand way more why like Spence and Van Der Ven like shunned Frank that time? yeah nobody believed in him that's that i mean especially i think the the the most thing about that as well it was literally as a replacement for hand as well who's like the ultimate opposite of that isn't he like he is mr soundbite mr you know obviously he literally just completed um you know i've always wanted to get in my second season and that there's probably there's probably like two weeks in between that and the season three quote as well between thomas Frank saying that.

32:57He was coming off the back of literally one of the best talkers the game has ever seen. To say that in your first press conference, and also people forget that he also said, there's only one team that don't lose matches, and that's Arsenal, in the same press conference as well. Yeah, it's just absolutely wild. But I think De Zerbi, again, he's sort of almost Angel-like in the way that he talks. I always go back to that Aston Villa press conference as well, literally changing my mindset. God knows what I did to the players when he was like, I think I think Dakario got injured midweek and we just lost, I think Dakario got injured midweek and we lost someone else to injury as well and the press conference was like, oh god, another injury, what are you going to do?

33:34And he's like, no, no, no, we need to stop all this crying. I realised then, like literally it was like a light switch in my mind that we have spent literally the whole season crying about injuries and crying about referees and crying about this and we need to stop all that and just focus on staying up and yeah, I think it's just chalk and cheese. Did you see the, did you see about the text that he sent to van hecker did you see that it's amazing one day for anyone

33:57Jack:for anyone hasn't seen it he basically said as soon as we stayed up like pretty much after the everton game he texted van hecker and said like fuck you you try to get us relegated by passing that ball across to whoever it was that scored the goal now you're joining me the options are yes or yes um which is that man that's what you need to be that mentor to succeed at a top club that you're like you have to have that in you of course thomas frank just didn't have that in him at all and like i always think about um i know it's unfair to compare it to arsenal but at the same time look at who tonali's joined us over and fernandez has joined us over i always think about like norgaard like thomas frank tried to bring to tottenham he's the captain as well but he's gone he's decided to go to Arsenal to essentially knowing that he will never play there and he didn't really play I know he won the league and stuff like that but he didn't play there and Buema could not follow him at all whereas the Serbis players will literally join a near relegated team over the likes of Man City I mean let's have it right Man City and Arsenal were in for Tornado and that's been confirmed by their top sort of people so these players joined Tottenham over those clubs because of the Serbis so it's just when you get someone like that and that's the kind of personality that you need to succeed at this mental club like Tottenham is you have to have a bit of that craziness about you as well.

35:16Jack:Well, I mean, let's talk about that. So, because, you know, we've had Darren Lewis, you know, just in the past couple of days saying that we've overpaid for Tonali and Fernandes. We've had TalkSport pretty much all summer long talking about PSR, talking about how the way Tottenham are spending is unfair on Villa, unfair on Newcastle. Let's not also forget we've had TalkSport talking about us having our pants pulled down for Van Hecker. We've had the football ramble, I got told in the past couple of days, questioning whether or not Spurs should actually be able to utilize their non-footballing revenue against expenditure for PSR.

35:55Jack:Yeah, talking about how, you know, why is that fair or anything like that? I mean, why is this media narrative always framing Tottenham's business negatively, Bill? Do you think, you know, is it just because we're more sensitive to it? do you see them doing this about anybody else like do you think there is an anti-spurs bias in the media or we you know do you think they're maybe actually getting a bit nervous about top them maybe actually doing the thing that we've always said we're going to do since the 60s i think all this does prove i know you you're a bit you do sound a bit tinfoil hat when you talk about your own club in this way but i think it just proves what proves to me is that people's problem is not with the rules or psr or this thisness people's problem is with tottenham yeah I don't know I think there's enough evidence to say that like genuinely now and I know every club probably says that about their own club but I mean the PSR thing in general is an absolute wild so essentially you've got PSR invented to make it more fairer between clubs and stopping financial doping financial cheating Tottenham and to his credit Daniel Levy come up with a solution to actually level the playing field in terms of that and they'll generate their own revenue and take they'll move into a stadium i'll buy that they'll sort it out so that the stadium generates money and five or six years time they're going to be able to compete with the likes of man city man united are sort of the big six because of the revenue they generate and they actually do it as well and this is the first year that we actually have done that in a proper way i think the problem with daniel levy was yeah he created the system which that would work but he would never be able to actually get us over the line i think last summer proved that now that tottenham are actually utilizing that system there's now a problem with that because now how have tottenham got away with that and stuff like that and like we're actually just literally following the rules to to a perfect level degree and we've blueprinted it for everyone else as well like astonville and new council if you want to do the same you're welcome to turn your stadium into like a you know a revenue generating machine the blueprint is there i'm giving you the blueprint um but no now it's now that's unfair tottenham shouldn't be able to use the concerts and stuff like that which just completely proves and i think the way that you know sort of chelsea are now spending another 300 million or whatever despite facing charges and they've even got you know current conversations about two charges which they face with their new owners there i think it's just been proved it's been alleged that while the owners didn't know about the two charges and they that the the tribunal are happy that they weren't aware they were breaching the rules so chelsea have literally just breached the rules like you know last season and they're getting away with that but there's no sort of focus on chelsea the focus is on top man city have got 115 charges there's no focus on man city the focus is on top and i think what that proves to you is the problem isn't that Tottenham are doing this and Tottenham are doing that the problem is Tottenham is that and I think it's because like we are like the lowest hanging fruit of the big six because we're the ones that sort of crashed apart essentially you know everyone everyone else has got that sort of heritage that we don't have you know the league winning heritage of like decades of being a massive massive massive football club and Tottenham are the ones that snuck in there from you know through years of success under Daniel Levy so I think the problem is not that Tottenham are doing this the problem is just that Tottenham are the ones that are doing it in the first place and um it's frustrating to see it but when you I understand Aston Villa and Newcastle because it's obviously like a jealousy thing right they want to be in our position and they want to you know having finished above us in the last two seasons they say well we can you know it's unfair that they're sort of they're going to usurp us again but everyone else this just proves that there's this weird sort of weird and Ange said it perfectly didn't he so Tottenham do weird things about people but when you've got like the entire league conspiring for Tottenham to go down last season and now that Tottenham are out of that and doing well the whole league are conspiring against PSR against Sussman it just proves that it's not the problem is with Tottenham it's not with anything else

39:38Jack:very nicely put mate I don't know if you saw no notes talk sport last night though which is brilliant you have to watch it if not there's one of these guys I don't even know who he is like this a generic Tottenham hater guy that they get on every now and then to question whether Tottenham should be in the big six and then someone text in and was like

39:59basically the guy said whichever way you look at it Tottenham should be in the big six because if it's historical and Tottenham have been in the big top six 15 out of the last 18 seasons including 13 consecutive seasons in Europe you know if you go before that Tottenham were one of the most successful teams in the 90s when they won the FA Cup for the then record time and he just reads out all this stuff and the guy's like do you know what fair enough that's the first time the guy's like so you know what he's done me there so yeah of course you can't argue for us not being in the big six in any conceivable way if you do it by success if you do it by money we're top of both

40:32Jack:I do think people like and I genuinely mean this and I think we've many Spurs fans themselves have fallen into it I do think many people have actually allowed the sort of the joke of Tottenham never having won anything and Tottenham getting battered everywhere they go you know that whole the whole kind of narrative around spursiness and all this sort of thing i do actually think it's it's kind of one of those things a sort of mandela effect in a way where it's suddenly convinced people that spurs are actually not one of the most successful football clubs of all time yeah and are actually just this abject awful useless entity which is kind of mad it's kind of mad isn't it like like phil you know i was talking to him about it the other day and he was saying like Like, you know, look at the way it was like, you know, it's always framed.

41:20Jack:Like yesterday, it was all kind of poor old West Ham, proper club. They're, you know, they are part of the fabric of the game in the UK. You know, the way in which they're spoken about. When we talk about a team that have, what, won a couple of FA Cups in their history. And look, I think West Ham are, I'm loathe to say it, but I do think they are a proper club, if you like. they're very well supported they've got a very sort of strong and active fan base all that type of thing right and i get that the point i'm only trying to make is is merely on the pitch one in the respect that tottenham have won a lot like tottenham have won a lot tottenham have achieved a lot they've been around for a long time they've got a history of success and it's just you might have seen it yesterday bill there's a there's a really really good video doing the rounds where it's just one of those kind of like talking heads things i think it's the guy about about Tottenham yeah when he's like who's Arsenal's biggest game of the season and the guy's like Tottenham who's Chelsea's biggest game of the season Tottenham who's West Ham's biggest game of the season Tottenham and he's like and you're telling me we're not the biggest club in London and I know it sounds ridiculous but there is something in that there is something in that like the amount of eyes on us and the amount of eyes willing us to fail all the time and I think just that day Bill if we actually do it if we actually if we actually won it like if we won the Premier if we won the double again or something like that this year if we did something mental like that oh god they've all got it coming to him mate they've all every single one of them ah and I think all pettiness is just off the like and I think that is genuinely why we're such a an easy target because you know in fairness you know we I think a lot of people have a problem with Tottenham in general because you know We purport to be this big club, but we never actually act like it.

43:17And we certainly haven't historically. But I wonder how everything's going to change now that we're actually acting like a big club for once. And we're actually going and spending. Well, you've already seen that people are already not understanding how to reference it. Because they're already saying, well, the rules are wrong then. If Tottenham would do this, the rules are wrong. They don't understand how to compute it. But I just wonder what would actually happen if we genuinely started competing at the top level properly. And spending genuine money season on season. Because Tottenham, I think Charlie Parrish said this before.

43:44that Tottenham are the only club in the big six that you can punch down on as well as punch up on because we are in the big six. We have all the trappings of a big six club, but none of the success. Now, if we get the success as well, and we are actually acting like a big six and we're going and spending, we spent£237 million so far in this window and we're going to buy, we're spending£100 million on one of the best Premier League players and we're going to buy, we're beating Man United to a player because we're paying more wages and stuff like that. People aren't really ready for that relevant Tottenham because they've always had the Daniel Levy Tottenham, which is a club that's almost a big club, but not quite.

44:18And I think people are happy with that because it's quite safe. Tottenham are safe because they're never really going to do anything. They might get the top four, they might challenge for the league one day, but they're never really going to do anything. Now, if that changes and suddenly hold on, well, Tottenham could actually win the league, well, Tottenham could actually go and win a trophy. I don't think people will know how to react. And that angle will be fantastic to see.

44:37Jack:It's Thursday. We've got a lot of listener questions in this week, Bill. Some good ones here as well. Law at TotallyN17 says, if there are no new options or movements in signing a striker, who should be prioritised, Richarlison or Solanke? This is a really difficult one, isn't it? This is a really difficult one. And it's not difficult for a good reason. It's difficult because neither of them are really ultimately good enough. It's not like choosing between who's a bigger Tottenham legend, Kane or Sarnes. It's the opposite of that. I would have said Richarlison, But then I did see Deserby's quotes that you already referenced earlier, that he seems to be quite a big Solanke guy, doesn't he?

45:18He did say in his quotes that he thinks Solanke is a fantastic player, a fantastic person, and the way that he's straight. I thought against Chelsea the other day, I thought Solanke looked absolutely dreadful, to be honest with you. I thought he was woeful. I know it's his first game back of pre-season properly, but I thought he looked woeful. I was really disappointed in him last season. Whereas I feel like with Richarlison, you always know sort of what you're going to get. You're going to be a handful for defenders. he's got a bit of spirit there he's always in the right place right time but i just think if we can get the best version of solanke then it will be solanke but i don't know for me ultimately i would move on from both these stripes if i could i'm at that point now i just think i don't think either are good enough for where we want to be but um i think deserve we will definitely prioritize solanke which but um you know if it was up to me i'd kind of just go over charleston just because you know what you're going to get over charleston solanke is a bit of like he's so unbelievably inconsistent he scored three or so many goals last season.

46:13Jack:He's up all night watching Naruto, isn't he? Yeah, exactly.

46:20Jack:Holz Holly Agomba says, is Deky actually back alive? I'm so ready for him to boss it again. We've also had Mighty Spurs say, I think the clips of Kulu running around unhindered are AI created. Damn, it looks real. Everyone's excited, aren't they? It could be the first ever fake news footballer, couldn't it? like they're just i don't know what they would i don't know what their the benefit for them would be of that but um yeah both of those questions speak to the fact that we're what we were talking about earlier isn't it your mind almost can't compute it because it just feels so alien seeing him again and um yeah it's just it's absolutely i did read a stat that um his last goal was against ipswich and since since that goal it's which have been relegated and been promoted since he last played again he scored a goal again so um it's just been an absolutely unbelievable amount of time if you think what's happened in those i imagine for him on the sidelines for what's happened there we've had we won the europa league and got sacks thomas frank came in the thomas frankness happened you know eagle tudor came in spurs genuinely nearly got relegated deserve he came in daniel levy's left in that time we've broken our transfer record twice like the football club has had so much unbelievable stuff has happened in that 450 days or whatever it is but that's why it feels like maybe this is ai or something because it just feels like we've moved we've been so much has happened in between that that stretch of time between kudasetski that it almost you can't imagine it being real but that's why it's kind of like the club has just moved on so much since that happened hasn't been like like you can't imagine a man director of like chavi simmons and stuff like that you've never seen them together it's just it's like nothing I've ever seen I've never no I don't think I can't imagine there has ever been many football injuries in the history of the game have been this long but it's just I think what exaggerates it is how much has happened at Tottenham in that 450 days the mad thing is I almost feel like and correct me if I'm wrong I almost feel like we've barely even seen like Madison and Kulisevsky play together yeah so I got yeah I almost sort of see them as like two players from two different eras yeah yeah yeah and Kulisevsky's era is like I mean last time he was playing is playing with Son and like Son is now just so far removed from Tottenham it's just like it's so weird isn't it the whole thing is strange here's an unpleasant one Jack C at Here for Spurs says would you rather have a fully fit Madison for the whole season or a fully fit Kalisevski that is a tough one that is a really tough one my gut says Madison just because of the amount of just because of what he can do when he's fully fit but it's a really really tough one I think they're both unbelievable players like you said i actually reckon my brains i can't really remember them featuring in the same side because i think when kudicevsky was fit towards that period he was more playing in 10 wasn't he rather than right wing so i think they were sort of competing for each other in terms of the position so i can't really remember them featuring that much at the same time but it's it's been so long ago that i'm but um i'd probably just about go madison just because he's a bit more of a just a bit more about him when he's on his very very best and but if we can get either of them even half it then it's a massive improvement on what we've got like they're just two unbelievable players that we've essentially been in without for a whole season now for both of them and to lose one of them is gutting but to lose both of them at the same time been pretty devastating and when you pair that with how bad we've been on the pitch in that time as well and how lackluster we've looked they're both such sort of creative players and the kind of players that you pay your money to go and see so i just about go madison what about you yeah Yeah, it is tough.

49:49Jack:I mean, if we're talking fully fit Picole Powers, I think I would have to just edge at Kulusevsky just because I sort of feel like there's more consistency there. I feel like he's known for being such a hard worker. I feel like that would work really well for Deserby. However, I would say there's a spark with Madison that we maybe haven't seen that much in a Tottenham shirt. You saw at Leste, his ability to suddenly pull off like a 35 yarder or something like that that maybe we have lacked at times and maybe we probably lack since Kane and Son have gone um Xavi Siemens is nobbled for the foreseeable future as well so that's another source of that kind of magic gone isn't it we've essentially lost all three of them our three sort of creative spark players have all all been done by either an ACL or some more freak knee injury so rather rather unbelievably Billy like I've asked I asked chat GPT just quickly in the background how many times have madison and kulishevsky played together and you know i'm being upfront about my use of ai here so it might be incorrect but according to chat gpt it said that james madison and dajan kulishevsky have played together 58 times for tottenham wow um and tottenham's record in those matches is 29 wins 7 draws and 22 defeats wow so there you go Yeah, I mean, I was kind of thinking that as well, like Kuliseski, like when he comes back, what is he even going to be?

51:19Is he going to be a number 10 or a winger? Well, yeah. He found his transition, didn't he, in that last season from a winger to number 10. So, it'll be interesting to see what happens there.

51:28Jack:Chris Hall at Geordie Spurs says, when the forward line stays as it is, in which international break will Eddie Howe become our new manager? I tell you what, Eddie Howe is surely nailed on for West Ham, isn't he, with Amanda? I'm understanding I reckon I reckon we'll be safe we'll be safe is is Mandy gone to West Ham now yeah I think it's just about to yeah yeah so you can bet your life on the fact that he's going to be their new manager after and we'll probably end up Nuno instead so there you go I mean look that's that that is kind of worrying in the in the in the respect that like I do one of my like low-key things I've always kind of felt about West Ham is a club in London with that size stadium and with that size fan base and probably with like something of an international reputation, even if it is from, certainly from certain things like Green Street or Danny Dyer or whatever.

52:21Jack:I do feel like they, in the same way that we've often said about Spurs in the past, I feel like if they just played their cards right, they could actually be massive West Ham. In the same way that it happened with Manchester City, you know? Yeah. I mean, it must be a dream for owners because you've essentially got a free stadium, right? Like you don't even pay for it. in terms of revenue there you're absolutely sorted so they'll be able to cook the books a lot more than Newcastle could I imagine Has it got a bigger capacity than Tottenham? I think it's I think it's even slightly definitely in the it's definitely up there London same capacity for West Ham it's they can't play for it either so 62 ,500 so I think it is slightly smaller than us isn't it?

53:05They would they would essentially be able to do what we do if they wanted to you know if they put this the stabling money behind it I'm sure they essentially could which is why

53:15Jack:we're 62 850 they're 62 500 so that's 300 more I think didn't we literally didn't we literally just put a few like a couple of hundred seats in like very recently yeah let's beat the Emirates as well didn't we beat the Emirates by like 10 seats or something love it I live and I think most people in football should live to be as pettily competitive as that yeah yeah Yeah, Emirates is 60. We had to pay a billion pounds for our stadium. They'd get it for free, essentially. Emirates is 60 ,704. Shit, Al. And in fact, we paid for their stadium as a taxpayer, so that's even better, isn't it? Yeah. Aren't they?

53:53Jack:They're getting it done up, though, aren't they, the Emirates? Yeah. Yeah, they are. It's annoying. Annoying. Just go away now. It was so fun when they were shit. It was so fun.

54:05Jack:Let's have a look. There's a couple more good ones here. Dana Mazzarella says Savinha in or out seems like stupid money for a winger with three goals who would block the pathway of Tell and more. I'm still in if I'm honest. I know what you mean. I really like Tell and I think Tell's brilliant. I think he's going to show a lot of people this year. But if the last few years have taught us anything, we need more options. We just simply you need to have more bodies. You need to have more players that can come in and do a job. you can't run like your first choice players into the ground as much. There needs to be more quality, strength and depth.

54:46Jack:So I'm happy with adding more players. I'm not really buying into that, but we've already got type stuff. I think that's an old Tottenham mentality that we as a fan base maybe need to shake a bit as well, personally speaking. And I really think Savinho is on the verge of becoming a superstar as well. I really just kind of see it with him. And again, I just don't think you can judge wingers at Man City. I really don't playing under Guardiola for a winger is just absolutely completely different to any other side in world football and I did the fact that he can also play right wing as well I think is so useful because he'll be able to be competition for both Talon Kuluseski I have to say that I have been Talon Kuluseski I have been massively massively impressed with Talon pre-season I think he's been by far our best player and I think he'll get plenty of games so you know great and then having him and Savini I just really get this feeling of Savini that he's going to really kick on this season wherever he goes and become an incredible winger.

55:39Jack:Stuart Tyra at Stiggy19, StiggyT19 says, if no more players were to come in, where do we finish this season? If literally no more players came in, I'd be a bit worried because I think our front three has always been our biggest problem and we haven't addressed it. So I'd probably say like eighth or seventh. What about you? I reckon. I think if we sign a couple of strikers, we have an outside chance of getting back in the Champions League or maybe even beyond that. I just feel like Richarlison and Solanke, you can't, they're not going to get their base level as like eight. It hinges on them. If we didn't sign anyone else, if Richarlison and Solanke stayed fit, I still think we can push the top six.

56:24Jack:I think Solanke, maybe with a run of games under his belt, could start to actually flex a bit and perhaps be something more like the player we got if Kudus comes back into the fold. There's a lot of ifs about it. Yeah, it's like Madison, Chavi Simmons, Precisely. Odebeer, so many ifs and Tottenham at the moment and especially all of our injured players are front three players. It's pretty frustrating. A couple of fight-related ones here, Bill. So we'll do the managers one first. Walsin's at Walsin's 86 says Conte, Ange, Tudor, Frank and Deserby rank who's the hardest in a scrap. I think there's different ways to like look at this because i think like i look at somebody like anj for example like anj to me defo has that like dad strength thing about him right i think and just a type of fella that i reckon any of these lads any of these lads here could smack full-on in the face and it wouldn't really register i feel like yeah and just got big thick neck he's just like he's a big guy big head I feel like he could take a lot of damage, but I feel like he's a bit older.

57:32Jack:He's slightly portly in frame. I feel like I'm allowed to say that. I feel like he'd be a bit slow. I feel like he's the type of guy in a fight wouldn't utilize punches and stuff. He'd be more like he'd bear hug him and squeeze him. Do you know what I mean? So I feel like Ange is going to be a tank. I feel like he's going to be really hard to take down. Frank's nowhere near it, is he? Yeah, Frank is. I feel like Conte is nowhere near either, you know. I really don't feel like Conte is in there. He's all mouth, isn't he? Yeah, he's all mouth and hand gestures and stuff. I think De Zerbi has got to be well up there just because he's got that sort of streak of unknown quantity about him.

58:08Jack:Lunatic, isn't he? Absolutely lunatic. Use a weapon. He'd bite and he'd gouge eyes and things. Do you know what I mean? It'd be all like that. A favanculo, like putting a thumb in your eye and all that sort of thing. I think Tudor would be definitely underrated as well that tudor would be like that frank obviously would be would be nowhere near it and he would just he would just give up but um i feel like deserve it's just got that bit of mental streak about him but like um you sort of imagine being like the uh the opening of um american history i think overall like it's if it's a royal rumble i think it kind of comes down to like probably Tudor and Deserbi but I think Ange is I don't think anybody beats Ange I think Ange just gets knackered and is like whatever I can't really be bothered I don't think the person put Pochettino in there but Pochettino strikes me as more of a lover than a fighter doesn't he?

59:04Jack:Yeah he'd be telling everyone to calm down Yeah yeah yeah Although to be fair when he was a player he was the general he was a bit of a hard bastards player but yeah I think just on balance I don't know I don't know how I could say out of Tudor and Deserbi I think Tudor is probably stronger and more like, I can imagine Tudor like busting out some like Jiu-Jitsu moves or something like that. One of them, one of those sort of sensei karate guys. Whereas as we say, Deserby's like a street fighter. He's a scrapper. He's a nasty little. He'll definitely get a bottle. He'll smash a bottle on the table.

59:39Jack:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're fine. So Fred Gruff at Fred Gruff says, a brawl breaks out in the Tottenham dressing room. proper battle royale whole squad is involved who's the last man standing and who fluffs out surprisingly early okay interesting one i think um my gut if you if you do the current squad as it is now my gut feeling is romero would would bust out surprisingly early i think um i think he's a bit more of a of a of a talk of a i think he talks about a game rather than he actually fights i was going to say him or van der ven because i think they're both big boys but i think they would both not do very well yeah van der ven so it strikes you as a bit of like a posh boy that was sort of high behind their mouth yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah but like playing grew up playing polo or lacrosse or something like that right yeah so we've got we don't have a lot of we don't have a lot of massive players obviously kevin dancer would be up there for um i mean it's kevin dancer strikes me as someone that can also look after himself as well just because he's he's a massive guy and also you wouldn't really want to mess with them most of our guys we have quite i remember someone someone that was talking about this in the context of set pieces rather than a mass brawl but we have a really small football team don't we like madison these guys are like five foot madison chavi simmons charlotte michael listen i think could be a interesting one because i feel like he might have a few it might be a bit scrappy yeah he loves it he loves to get involved doesn't I don't feel like we've got any generals like the sort of people that you want to get behind in a battle because you know they sort you out.

1:01:18Jack:Poro's probably a bit of a nutter I reckon. Yeah, that's a good shout. But I feel like Dance has got it though. I feel like just Dance. I feel like Dance exudes self-confidence but not in an arrogant way. I just think he knows he's a big, strong, handsome, sexy centre-back. One in the mix, just because of where they're from. I'm not saying this in a massive generalisation here. Andy Robertson, you can never run out of the Scots. No, fair.

1:01:54He's had a few nights out in his time on the pavements of Scotland, I imagine.

1:01:58Jack:Dished out the Glasgow Kiss in his time. Right. Yeah. Maybe a bit of a dark horse. Scotland, you know, you know what you're going to get with Scottish people. So like Robbo would be up there. Spence might be a bit underage, you know. I can imagine Spence being a bit of a sort of, sort of guy that would know how to like take down a person, you know what I mean? Like a sort of trained fighter rather than... True guy. I can imagine being good in a street fighter, but I can imagine because he's so tall and athletic. Like imagine being like a jiu-jitsu guy. Did you see that on that, did you see that really cringy interview of Jonah Hill this week?

1:02:31Have you seen that? Oh, mate. I would love you to come at me. Call me the fat guy from Superbad or whatever. I love that everyone just replied calling him the fat guy from Superbad. But I mean, that just screams insecurity, isn't it? When he's like, I would destroy any single one of you. Jiu-Jitsu. It's funny. I tell you, he would last about three minutes and be out of there as a Solanki. Solanki would not fare. You might try and do a few sort of Naruto-style punches, but he would get quickly dispatched, I think.

1:03:05Jack:No, yeah, I think Javi Siemens would get done as well, like in no time at all. He'd just get chucked out immediately. Madison would be like a scrappy-do kind of thing, wouldn't he? He'd definitely be up for it. Yeah, I agree. And they'd be like, alright, mate, alright. Someone having their hand on his forehead sort of thing, wouldn't it? You've just got a strike in the knee, don't you? Yeah, well, yeah. which one we'll just pivot now for the last question Bill so Chris 1882 because he's asked it a couple of times Chris at 1882 Chapman CMC says thoughts on the film I swear I hope you've watched it by now have you seen it Bill I have seen it have you I have yeah just watched it I'm not sponsored by Netflix but it is on Netflix at the moment I thought it was I was absolutely blown away by it to be honest I really was I watched it I watched it in Scotland actually a couple of months ago just totally blown away by it just unbelievable story um i think um obviously the reaction to it in terms of the what happened at the award show was an absolute disgrace like in terms of i basically didn't realize um and you know i'm sure we've got plenty of american listeners here that are i'm not like this but i didn't realize how unbelievably ignorant they are in general towards tourette's in that country i didn't realize that was a thing i'm sure we have plenty of american listeners that are not in that in that way but i know in general like for example the snl skit about it was i thought was absolutely disgusting yeah horrific yeah i thought the general attitude and ignorance about tourette's that a lot of american media i'm not judging americans but the american media sort of came off the back of that was disgusting i thought the whole situation was handled terribly by bafta and stuff like that and uh you know really a horrible situation for involved i thought the film was absolutely mind-blowing to me i thought it was just an unbelievable story i thought the main performance was incredible and i'm glad that he did win the basket for it um see his name john davidson is that the guy's name john davidson yeah yeah i've sort of become a bit of a hero of mine i've sort of you know watched a couple of those documentaries and stuff yeah i was absolutely blown away by it how about you yeah yeah it was brilliant and i think yeah to your point like because there were two very distinct things at play that was lost in the conversation so much because and i guess this is just down to the sensationalist nature of the way in which things are communicated now by the media and stuff online everything is there for outrage everything's there for clicks okay i know it's a trite thing to say but it doesn't make it any less true and so the two things we had at play were two actors who were subject to awful racist abuse intentional or not and the pain that they would have felt regardless of the context that is something that is right to acknowledge and that is something that you know BAFTA should have handled much better than they did much much better than they did but to your point yeah the way in which John Davidson was pictured by certain circles as like an aggressor in this situation and an intentional bad actor in this situation was utterly despicable it was despicable we're talking about you know somebody with uh a disability that has driven him to the brink of suicide in his life and when you when you when you watch this film when you when you kind of really think about it you know it's it's it's unimaginable i mean there are certain look there are certain if i'm to get like should we say ultra woke about it there are certain things that i kind of i find uncomfortable on a certain level in the respect that look the film is it's unavoidable but the film obviously is deriving moments of comedy from the guy's situation however when you kind of take that step back and you look at it as an awareness piece and you use that as like look a film needs to be entertaining nobody wants to be lectured if you want to create a greater sense of understanding and a greater empathy with people who are maybe coming to this with a skeptical mind then you know perhaps the way to win people over is with an air of comedy about it so i i do kind of get it i did well i definitely get it i definitely understand it but there is just that you know understanding to at least having a an understanding of what tourette's is doesn't quite fully immerse you into what it must be like having that 24 7 and the various ways in which that affects an individual's life um it's just unimaginable it's like it's it's it's it's unimaginable and yeah like you say um i'm trying to think of what the actor's name is and i feel really bad um robert arameo um is yeah he's he's he's brilliant like he's because i've always seen john davidson in clips and again it's quite terrible really because like i've seen john davidson stuff growing up in britain growing up at a time when there would be things like tarrant on tv or it'll be all right on the night and they'd always put like a john davidson clip in there to laugh at him you know in the same way that we always used to laugh at oliver reed look at him he's he's drunk again but this is somebody that was suffering with addiction in public you know same with amy winehouse you know it's it's it's that it made me think like again i'm not saying that no americans understand tourette's race and like that but it did made think like in the difference in the way that the american media reacted to where the british media reacts i wonder if because the fact that he is british and he is you know essentially a quite a mainstream or he was in the 80s 90s a mainstream figure meant that i don't know i feel like people in our country just kind of do have a fairly i'm not saying it's like a you know um there's much depth to it but i do i don't i don't feel like anyone in england or in britain in general was blaming him for that happening whereas in america everyone was sort of blaming him it's just the difference between the sort of ignorance between the two and again i'm making massive generalization so i know that but what made me wonder is just because the fact that he's scottish and british and the media sort of pushed it through generations has altered the entire nation's understanding of the disease which i guess is a good thing right like people just reacted completely different to in this country or they did in america and then some of the stuff that you heard in america for example like um if he's not racist and why is why is he using that word it's like well it's just a lack of basic understanding of the disease and essentially makes you say the worst possible thing and like the people are saying well why is that word in his vocabulary anyway but you know the word that we use you know everyone knows that because he exists because he lives in a society where that world exists you know some of the wild stuff and yeah you know people saying that he meant it and stuff like that it's just but yeah it did make me know the difference between um It's just strange how I didn't realize it was such a big blind spot in America, in some places in America anyway.

1:09:49And I was generally quite upset by the SNL thing. In fact, I didn't really get much backlash for it either. It was an absolutely horrific way to portray someone in mainstream American comedy. It's disgusting, really. They've got form for that type of stuff, though, SNL.

1:10:05Jack:And it's always played off with just like, yeah, well, we make fun of Trump, so we're liberal. you know it's whatever i can't i can't really be asked to get into all this i did see that as a result of the um as a result of that incident they did get um record number of donations to the tourette charity so that was kind of a good thing i guess and i i guess in general that is obviously a horrible horrible incident but at least it kind of pushed those conversations into the mainstream which i guess is good i'm sure lots of people would have learned about tourette's disease but it's just it's weird like i just i just feel like england and britain in general tourette's is kind of like a quite a known thing isn't it we do something which everyone just knows about and everyone has some this like an inherent understanding of what it is i don't know it seems to be quite prevalent president in our um you know in our country for some reason yeah yeah um have you uh have you watched spider-man yet as well i have i have mate i have yeah i watched it last night it's well good in it i thought it was brilliant i really was impressed with it i thought i think it's the best tom holland one in general um i still like no i like the one um i really like the one when you know they go to washington dc and all that oh yeah far from home yeah yeah i am obviously that the the whole spider-man thing has been obviously in massively um the main discussion of films at the moment so people have been doing like their spider-man rankings and um it's just maybe really what i need to go back and watch spider-man one and two which i for me i think spider-man two is possibly my all-time favorite film they're they're they're great like i do i've got to say i do think like i do think tom holland's the best spider-man i've got to say this is this is my hot take that tom holland is the best spider-man but spider-man one and two are the best spider-man films if that makes sense yeah no i'd agree with you i'd agree and i also because obviously everyone's been doing their rankings and stuff i want to go and watch uh into the spider-verse and across the spider-verse as well because those are probably two of the best films ever made as well unbelievable absolutely unbelievable but it's literally the highest grossing film of all time i know i know that spider-man is just unbelievable it's got unbelievable juice doesn't it it's just it's just something it's something about it like somebody that's fairly ambivalent on like the avengers and all that type of stuff those sort of main canon type superheroes spider-man batman i think i've always kind of got time for you know because they're just this is something there's something so enduring about like spider-man being like the lighter fun more high octane side of a superhero story in new york batman being the complete antithesis about you know the other the other side of it there's something that i think appeals to everybody's like duality the two psyches that we have and everything which is which is good super superman i think is maybe one i've got to say that probably hasn't aged as well as those two yeah i was listening to uh someone say exactly that you know in terms of superheroes batman and spider-man are the big two and superman has been sort of generally aged out i think if you'd have gone back to like 30 40 years superman was like the number one but um it's just spider-man now isn't it spider-man batman they're the ultimate draw who's um if you had to choose your favorite spider-man favorite batman who you're going for so in terms of actors yeah yeah tom holland i think is the best spider-man i think yeah i think he just embodies character um batman batman is really tough it's really tough it's really tough i don't think it's gonna be i i think it might be our pats mate i like do you know what and i thought you're gonna say that that's mine as well i think the batman is the best batman film i really do think that i did because you know i love i love nolan like nolan is one of my favorite filmmakers of all time but somebody made the point that i can't kind of unsee as like nolan's trilogy was amazing and it was incredible i'm not taking away from that but it was nolan does batman whereas it feels like the batman in the same way that like the earlier ones were like burton does batman whereas it feels like the batman was closest to the source material in terms of batman is kind of a weird dude he is sort of like a weird neek and everything and paterson kind of got that and it yeah i also i just feel like robert paterson is just one of the best acts of this generation now he's amazing he's about to drop a trailer today as we speak actually my place chris hansen that the pedophile hunter so i'm looking forward to that is he i didn't know he's doing that that's dropping today i was literally dropping today but um just an unbelievable streak at them and he's about to be in june as well um i think he's i think he's unbelievable in the odyssey just uh one of one of the great actors of this generation and to come from twilight and just basically like i'm gonna leave all that stuff behind me and just make amazing weird film can we get these beggars out of here i just can't you know it's just it's just unbelievable unbelievable if you're like a teaching acting if you just watch that one clip like there's so much just from the way that he says it like that's that's how you know that there's there's there's levels to acting it's just watch that line reading of get these beggars out of here we've gone we've gone way off piece here so yeah but this is this is like an old school roll the rest of the day that's how we got to reply to uh newcastle and astin villa from now on yeah just post that just get that one lined up um bill anything anything that's in the ether that we should be aware of any pods or anything coming up no no no just uh yeah always love coming on the show and um genuinely here's my most listened to spurs podcast when i'm not on So yeah, it's an honour to be on, my friend.

1:15:36Jack:Well, always a privilege and a pleasure to have you on, mate. I know that you are, but you're sticking to the post-match pods, right? I feel like you've gone through the rain now to get to this sunshine and deserve to actually talk about some wins for once. Well, let's hope so, mate. Fingers crossed. I mean, no wins will be... That is quite cool looking back, though, isn't it? You've got such a cool document of last season in your post-match pods. The series of thumbnails of me looking miserable. I look forward to it. I can't wait for them to be back, man. I really can't. Much love, mate. Thank you.