Is Spurs Season Over In January? | "Sacked In The Morning", Did Players Ignore Instructions? & Paratici To Fiorentina

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0:30discipline involving Tottenham Hotspur players right at the end of the game. Thomas Frank will get a lot of flack for this. Tottenham will get flack for this too, but the problems might just run a little deeper. Hello everybody, welcome back to Roller Roost podcast. Welcome back, Mr Charlie Parrish. How are you doing, mate? I'm doing all right, thanks Jack. You know, for a rainy Monday morning in which Tottenham have uh extinguished all hopes of a trophy for another um well another calendar year at least i'm doing all right it's lovely to see mate i know january is january right january is going to january but it's particularly gray isn't it like it's it's come on give us a break it's um i yeah i was talking to some friends yesterday about how this this january is january very very hard and I feel like we actually just need to reject this idea that January is about renewal and us basically deciding that the previous year's version of ourself was useless and lazy and rubbish.

1:39And actually we need a complete reboot of absolutely everything whilst we're skint, whilst we're exhausted from Christmas, whilst we're dealing with our sub-ball teams being atrocious. I say that park that sort of shit till March are the earliest and never worry about all that kind of stuff. No carbs. I say more carbs, you know, come on. Revolution starts here. Absolutely. Well, you touched on it at the start there, Charlie. The season being over already, we've been knocked out of the FA Cup by Aston Villa. Again, a result that I think stings a bit. I was kind of perhaps naively, I mean, obviously naively hoping that the FA Cup might provide something of a sanctuary for Tottenham season that it might be like the Europa League was last year that thing we just kind of do quite well that it's its own insulated little bubble away from all the chaos and toxicity of the league campaign and the various things around that obviously wasn't the case uh thoroughly outplayed by Aston Villa um I mean is is that you know is it a bit much to say that's the season over already um it's a very tight league i mean i know that sounds like preposterous for us to be looking upwards at the moment considering the run we're on and the form we're in and the general sort of mood around the club but and this is why i think i'm so so annoyed about the paralysis that seems to be gripping the club in terms of decision making and um yeah I think there was a lot of chat last night post a tweet is it Marcus Buckland sort of tweeted about the sort of um the chaos that is engulfing Spurs right now and his sources have you know mentioned to him that there's you know everything's at odds like there's there's you know still a lack of football people making football decisions at the club and therefore they're all just and no one knows what to do I think you know reading between the lines I think that is the sense that I would I would get in in in terms of they don't know what to do about frank I imagine there's a lot of people high up that feel like you know a trigger needs to be pulled and we make the moves and there's perhaps and I'm thinking maybe sort of Vinay here thinking to his Arteta experience where persevering and staying true to the course pays dividends eventually you know maybe and also the fact that I think you and I have spoken about this before yeah he was very invested in the frank hire right you know it seems to be very much his guy he spoke about the 30 candidates and him being the outstanding one impressing sort of him particularly he would have to hold this you know himself this would be a personal um a personal failure in the eyes of his new bosses so i imagine he is wanting to give it every every possible chance to succeed um but yeah for me i think so long as frank is still here i think this season is going to feel like a wasted one.

4:38It's going to feel like, you know, we're just sort of sleepwalking to next season, hoping things don't get too bad and, you know, hoping that we don't get actually dragged into a relegation battle. See, like on the, I guess, like reflecting on this from my own perspective, I kind of feel like, you know, a level of apathy has already started to kick in. I sort of said this in my, I did my pre-match pod the next day because I was like, after the game, I was like, I just can't be bothered to do this right now. Like I can't face sitting on a microphone and moaning about Spurs for an hour or whatever after the game when I can just enjoy my Saturday evening.

5:17Now, I get it. I'm not doing a won't somebody think of the podcasters thing. But the point I'm making is it feels like there is just apathy at large across the entire fan base right now. um obviously the sort of the the magic bullet to some of that is going to be getting rid of Thomas Frank it's that kind of you know I want to avoid any sort of Brexit parallels but that roll of the dice if you like it's something let's let's embrace the chaos let's just do something different because why not this isn't going anywhere or whatever I guess like I I feel like my conversation with with Paul O 'Keefe at the tail end of last week was quite interesting for perspective, just in the respect that we might not like Thomas Frank.

6:06We might find this football quite horrible. And it, I mean, it is, let's be honest. It feels quite directionless.

6:17However, placing trust in the people that run the club currently, as you say, like Vinay there, who has, you know, quite proudly been front and centre of appointing Thomas Frank in the first place and who now seemingly is, I don't know, doing whatever right now. We've got, so Paratici going, and we'll talk about that a bit later on, but, you know, we've got Langer in charge. We've got the kind of the Roy kids, the Lewis kids at the top of things right now. You know, if we are hasty, if we do get rid of Thomas Frank right now, and we say, you know, it would be Ryan Mason, let's be honest. like it would probably be Ryan Mason at least for a sliver of time, we could get ourselves, we could land ourselves in real trouble doing that.

7:07Like Paul was making the point that essentially, whatever we think about Thomas Frank, he is a Premier League manager. He knows the, should we say, the machinations of managing a Premier League football team. This might be something we just have to ride out for a while until there's a better candidate available in the summer. Now, I'm not saying this is something I entirely agree with, but I think it's worthwhile sort of considering this, that, you know, it could be out of the frying pan into the fire if we were, say, hasty in getting rid of Thomas Frank. But with that in mind, how do we step past this kind of apathy?

7:48Because we looked at a game yesterday where the Spurs fans are joining in with the Aston Villa fans singing, you're getting sacked in the morning. It's not just the away support anymore. The famous, you lose the away support, it's done. We're talking even the day trippers, the family tickets, who were there for an FA Cup game, joining in, singing, you're getting sacked in the morning. to Thomas Frenzy. I think he was booed. It's not good. He was booed. They do now, and I feel like they never used to do this where they would announce the manager's name when they read the team sheet out, but they do now for whatever reason.

8:22And maybe I'll be corrected and they've always done that, but I'd missed it. But yeah, once they've gone through the team, they now also call out the manager and there was fairly comprehensive booing for his name as well. And like you say, this was, you know, in terms of friendly pictures, even though the mood is so bleak, you would expect you know a fixture in which the ticket prices have been lowered a lot of families were there i mean i took i took my three-year-old it was that it was that sort of fixture you know it was just about early enough that you could take kids without being too late at night and it's still you know that first half particularly was was dark you know the filler fans as you say were obviously chanting as they were they also were chanting um thomas ranked an Arsenal fan which Spurs fans were joining in with um which again I just feel like what was that to the tune of Charlie it was I'm trying to remember now it'll come to me but I remember I remember writing it down because I need to I need to bring that up but um it was and people were laughing but the fans of fans around me were just chuckling to themselves which I think is almost worse because it feels like this situation has gone from people being you know furious and you know spittle coming flying at your mouth as you're hurling rage at the fella on the touchline to just like as you say a sort of apathetic sort of gallows humor that we literally have a bloke who's so senseless that he'd be drinking from an arsenal cup you know given to him a few days prior and i don't know it just it just feels like it feels miserable it really does and I'm trying to not and I'm trying to cling to certain things and I do agree with Paul I think that and I listened I listened to the pod note was I was nodding along at points because you guys are completely right we do have to be careful what we wish for in this situation if you roll the dice and you've not got something solid backed up um you know I kind of looked to United almost with some jealousy in the sense that they've got you know albeit you know Solskjaer is a bit sort laughable on some level but Carrick is you know I was like oh my god I'm quite jealous that Michael Carrick is like interviewing for the chance to be their interim manager to the end of the season like he by all accounts I know it didn't work out especially well at Middlesbrough after a time but by all accounts he's quite a talented coach he knows the club will come in I'm sure we'll give them a little boost I was like god I'd love I'd love that Carrick coming along and bringing some of his old boys, you know, getting Defoe and a few of the others perhaps in to give everyone a bit of a shot in the arm would be lovely.

10:59But, you know, I think aside from Mason, which I think in itself would bring a lot of moans and groans because through no real fault of his own, he's just seen as, you know, part of the problem in a way. I think we haven't got anyone, like there's no one on the team now that, you know, there's no Darren Fletcher figure for example in terms of like I'm sure there are some competent, talented youth coaches, but there's no name that you can imagine coming in and being able to command a first-team dressing room. So, yeah, and I imagine they probably are just hoping that they don't get into too much bother with the bottom three.

11:36They can get some form back once players return and reassess in the summer. And maybe, and this isn't a very sexy answer and it's not very incendiary for us to talk about on a podcast, perhaps but that might be the wisest thing in a way for us to just kind of clench our teeth and get to the summer when there's a bigger pool of people from which to choose from um poch basically it's uh it's ryan mason our tom womsgans do you think i'm trying to sort of i'm trying to sort of place where he is in this in the dynamic because he is seen as like a company man isn't he really which is it feels quite unfair because i there was a really there was at the end of his tenure just before we brought Andrew Bosticoglu in, he actually led like, I think it was the last presser of the season.

12:25He actually led a really impassioned speech about the club and about how important the club was to him, how important the club was to so many people, and that it was deserving of somebody that respected how important the club was to, because this is after basically Antonio Conte's called the entire club a shit show, really. And there was a part of me that thought, you know we've got that one guy who like actually whatever whatever we think about him he at least gets it and he at least cares about the club and cares about us but we just you know we can't stand it can we we just can't we complain we're like why is everyone in the media haters you know why is it you turn on sky and there's it's always a punditry panel full of liverpool chelsea arsenal whoever why aren't there any Spurs ones?

13:13It's like because we're horrible to everyone you know Well even I mean you know talking about lacking characters like that that do feel a certain way about the club I mean I think I don't think enough really has been made of Matt Wells' departure and I was talking to a couple of mates who are sort of in and around the club and you know they were talking about just what an enormously influential figure he was as a coach but also as just as a figure who was close to the players who really had that passion for Tottenham, a multi-generational kind of love for the club. And he's got, and also, he's not been replaced either, which I think in itself is maybe a slight concern.

13:54There's not really any talk because he was a very sort of senior figure in that coaching setup and is now, it's just Justin Cochran and Frank sitting there looking sort of perturbed for 90 minutes rather than the three of them as it was before. and it's yeah I mean you mentioned sort of rats and sinking ships and it's it's hard to shake this feeling that like you know these these bricks are sort of starting to crumble one by one and you know I mentioned that that sort of paralysis that does feel like it has engulfed and gripped you know it's got a sort of choke hold around the club right now and they just I just it doesn't feel like they know what to do and I think they're spending in January as well I think you know you You hear mixed things about perhaps they're pumping the brakes now around this sort of promised spending spree in January that they put lots of word out that was going to happen.

14:48That now seems to have... You can absolutely imagine a world in which Lange is wheeled out. Poor Ben is sort of asked to grill him about this come sort of February the 2nd. And it's all like, well, you know, we always said there has to be the right players. We're only willing to bring in players that will improve the squad short and long term. And it's very, very hard right now. And I, you know, sometimes feel a degree of sympathy for certain people within the club because it must be very difficult to know what you're doing. And I think that is a terrible, terrible shame after where we were in there.

15:23Do you think it's us making Spurs the centre of the universe when we look at these Matt Wells? Because Matt Wells has done quite a few sort of interviews and things ahead of his new job. I think through the club's own comms. I can't remember exactly who it is. It's like the Colorado wizard sleeves or whatever. Colorado Rapids, I think. And there were a few, you know, what people are interpreting as kind of veiled digs at the Tottenham hierarchy. So him saying that, you know, he likes his teams to play on the front foot, to be aggressive, to not be passive in possession, all that type of stuff.

16:02is that just him simply sharing his own personal ethos or do you think there is a little because look with all due respect to the MLS it does seem to me quite a quite a bold move to go from being a Premier League pretty high up in a in a in a hierarchy of coaching should we say for a large Premier League team to going and managing in the MLS when you sort of feel like Matt Wells was probably in a position where he could have really walked into a lot of jobs in, say, the Championship. I mean, his predecessors did, right? In terms of Mason at West Brom and then Chris Davies went in at Birmingham, albeit they were in League One, I think, at the time.

16:45But he's still in position, I think, there and doing an okay job with a very high-profile set of owners. Yeah, I was surprised. I mean, maybe it might be a lifestyle decision as well. you know he might just fancy a complete change um also not a lot is made of that is it right sorry to just jump in but i always think that like if i was like a league one footballer i might just go and play in the seri b do you know what i mean like go play for barry for a couple years to like to to la why not like do that path rather than messing around at mansfield Oldham for a bit. No offence to those clubs. But yeah, I don't know.

17:26I imagine he was just setting out his own personal interest when he spoke about that. But I think it does kind of bring it back to the game on the weekend. I think a lot has been made around this apparent sort of, you know, right, we're doing this our way second half. Like perhaps there was a conversation in the dressing room after such an insipid first half. And the team sort of led perhaps in effort by Simons just sort of went for it. And of course, you can go for it when you're 2-0 down at home in a one-off cut tie. Like it is easy to release the handbrake and, you know, be a bit more bold and throw some people forward.

18:07Of course it is. But it definitely had that vibe in the stadium. It was like, oh, maybe the players have just gone rogue now and are sort of jacking in these instructions to put it into the channels or just to spam cross after cross after cross in and just be a bit sort of long ball, play for throw-ins. There was a different mood. And I think what was similar to the Bournemouth game, I kind of went into both of those games really apathetic and not that fussed. And then they drag you along and then suddenly you're really in and you're invested. You think, actually, we might go on and do this. And of course, at the moment, everything's coming up short.

18:45but and you also i almost sort of end up hating myself as well because when when it when it got to 2-1 i am i'm there again like you say i'm i'm i'm sucked in again i'm like go on go yeah go every time it gets forward you feel that prick of excitement again and then you know he makes those substitutions and you think oh piss off you know why have you done this again it's i mean in terms of and i know he had a very limited bench to work with and i i tweeted something about asking why he brought Scarlett on to be marooned as a right winger when he's got Lucas Williams-Barnett, touted as the most talented creative player of his age group, on the bench.

19:28And a few people replied to me, oh, he's coming back from injury, he's not fully fit. To which I say, well, why is he on the bench then? I understand putting Solanke and Udogi on the bench, senior pros that probably know how to manage themselves through 15 minutes if needed. But why pick Williams? Why not put another talented youngster, of which there seem to be quite a few? I think Thompson, the other winger that F1 wrote about. You've got other players that could sit there on the bench in a sort of bright glass if needed situation. I just don't understand those substitutions. Just again, whilst I understand tiredness and Tellerfield played brilliantly, you could argue that he was fading a little bit.

20:14Porro's played every minute under the sun for the last 16 years and does need to come off every now and again. Plus, he was absolutely getting roasted defensively. They were just messing around with him down that left wing. But yeah, the only positive I would cling to, and it was really annoying because I was getting really into it and then felt really upset at the end, was watching Xavi and Tell particularly was a reminder that there is talent here. And if deployed in the right way, there are kernels of excitement within this squad. You add in Bergvold. I think there's a world in which you can see, out of the ashes of this sort of ridiculous monstrosity of a situation, something positive taking shape under the right coach.

21:00Because I thought that was Javi, probably his best game, sort of all told, which I know is quite a low bar. He's not done loads. But just seeing him physically sort of go shoulder to shoulder with a very physical Aston Villa team. He was sort of bouncing off people a bit more. He was getting in people's faces. He was demanding the ball. Not everything was coming off. But just seeing him assume that responsibility in a way that I was worried. He was just too lightweight and he was too fragile mentally and just didn't fancy it for a few months. him coming through that period and now looking like the guy that could assume quite a you know senior position of responsibility both creatively and also as a bit of a leader for the team going forward I think was exciting and you know I think you and I both are both sort of telpologists who are now getting a little bit excited so long as we don't loan him out like Maniacs has been reported you know there there is a player that I think you just say to him right you are now the left winger we're going to give you 10 games you don't have to worry about coming up the team we just want you to concentrate on you know getting building up a rhythm getting your confidence up shooting on site trying things because there's a player there I'm convinced there's a player there and I think you know he's had a real rough shake of it but hopefully now we can kick on it's it's one of those things isn't it where you know it's perhaps a bit proper football man it's teetering on the edge of being a bit gammon but I think one of the main issues I've seen with this Spurs team outside of what the manager is doing to them because we're talking about two successive talk about two managers of wildly different styles an absolute dichotomy of styles really in Ange Postacoglu and Thomas Frank and one of the unifying factors in this is that when things don't go to plan per se we see a core group of players here who seem to just be happy to allow that to happen I'm not in the heads of these players I'm not going to play like cod psychologist with this and say they don't have the fight in them or they don't have this or they don't have that all i can do is observe the the the pattern that i see from that i have concerns about that and i also think it's stark when you see two you know a young player in mathis tell and another young player in in javi siemens who feels less young because he's actually quite an experienced professional player now um but still new to the league new to the team and everything you see those two come in who despite neither of them having been perfect their output has been say questionable and that perhaps sounds more negative than it should be but what i mean is like neither of them have say set the world alight since they've come to top them however you can see at times like this the two of them are as you say two of our shining lights and it seems to be purely because they are two players that are very confident that perhaps have that That's a superstar mentality that somebody like Harry Kane had before, somebody like Sonja Min had before.

23:59Again, I'm not trying to compare them to those players in terms of their output or their quality. I'm simply saying there are some players who are wired in a way where they actually have a bit of, you know, professional pride. They actually have a desire to want to better the situation that they're in. And so for me, you know, when we're talking about the potential of letting Mathis Tell go out on loan for the rest of the season. This just again speaks to that whole bemusement that so many of us have with the people who are running the club right now. Who is looking at these past UTOPLM performances and earnestly thinking Mathis Tell is somebody we need to lose from this setup right now?

24:43It's insane, isn't it? I mean, the only thing I can hope is that these reports are a little bit backdated and that they come as a sort of, the start of the window, I'm sure he was fed up because he was making these five minute cameos when games were sort of dead and buried. I would be annoyed if I was him but in the intervening weeks, since the window's been open, he has basically become a first team regular. So I would like to think that Spurs are shutting that door now and saying, even if you do carry this sort of I think quite fanciful notion that he would make the France World Cup squad. I mean, come on, Matisse, I think that's a bit far-fetched.

25:25But perhaps that's all part of it though, Charlie, you know, this kind of thing, this mentality. And I shouldn't scoff because God, we need a bit of ambition. You're right, you're completely right. But I would like to think now he would be able to reassess the situation and think, well, actually, you know, I probably am. Because I mean, who's even coming back into the team to take his spot at this stage? I mean, it's such slim pickings unless they do, you know, if they signed a Savinho or something, then perhaps, you know, say, okay, fine, he'll come and play left wing or someone at that sort of 50, 60, 70 million pound level.

26:01But otherwise, I think particularly with the injury to Kudas as well, I mean, we basically have him and Odebeer to play down the wing. And that's almost it, unless you consider, you know, Kylo Mwani a winger. maybe I'm forgetting someone but I don't know that I am we are so Fred Bennett we saw Dane Scarlett come and play right wing for 20 minutes that's the situation we're in at the moment I would like to think that he now understands that the best place for him is to stay but we wait and see what they actually decide to do it feels very much more like we sign a sort of 2026 Dan Juma than a, you know, 2026 Kulisevsky at this point, isn't it?

26:46It's, yeah, I mean, even seeing Richarlison get, and Richarlison's a player I've dug out a lot in the past who I actually think has been really good this year. And I don't know if that's a signal as to our quality thus far. I think that's actually quite unfair on Richarlison. I think he has been really good just of his, you know, of his own, I don't know, whatever. I like Richie. I think Richie's been asked, particularly this season, to do a role that I'm not sure physically he is able to do these days. I think that his body has actually gone through an awful lot of wear and tear that has meant a lot of that explosiveness that we saw at Watford and Everton.

27:29He's long gone. He's a very different footballer now. And I think had Solanke been fit or Kader Mwani, you know, been effective in any way, shape or form, apart from when he's playing his parent club, I think you then, I think we'd all have a much different view of Richarlison because he could be used as this, you know, clan B, battering ram, bring him on for certain fixtures, bring him on for the last 20 minutes of matches to be a sort of agent of chaos. And then I think he's, you know, he's built to be a cult hero. If he is used in the right way, then I think he'd be brilliant. However, of course, in fact, what we've got is him having to play basically every single minute of every match recently.

28:09And, yeah, he just looks dead on his feet a lot of the time. I think, obviously, when players are tired, they're then going to not be sharp. He doesn't miss his chances. People get on his back. His first touch lets him down. All of these things, I think, have just meant that we've not... It's a real shame, but I just don't think we've seen him in the way that would have meant he'd have sort of lived out his cult hero potential as far as. But, you know, Solanke's back now. So doesn't it feel with those two, like they've ever been fit at the same time? I'm sure. Have we ever seen them in the same room at the same time kind of thing?

28:41It's like they just literally just sort of passed the strangers in the night, aren't they? It's mad. But yeah, you know, I wonder with Solanke now, how much of a managed return are we going to need to see? you know can he sort of build his minutes up fairly quickly are we just gonna have to get used to him playing sort of 10-15 minutes here and there for a good while before the inevitable you know there's been a setback with Dom it's nothing to worry about but you know and then we see him sort of last game of the season but I don't know I'd almost like Slanky feels like he's been going for so long I can barely remember like how he plays what he does for the team Mate, I was genuinely thinking that.

29:21When he came on the second half in that game, I was looking at him thinking, I mean, number one, it's bizarre seeing Dominic Solanke in a Tottenham gear, getting ready to come onto the pitch. He feels like one of those players of yesteryear, like a Danny Murphy or a Paul Koncheski. Oh, they actually played for Spurs, remember? You know, those type of players. and then I was like what's he gonna do like where where are we gonna play him how is he gonna fit into this I don't know I don't really care let's just get him on the pitch but still um it's you know it's a it's interesting and I do as a wider point like just when you're talking about Rich I do kind of feel like really sorry for a lot of players nowadays and I know we like to dig out our in-house kind of physio team and everything like that, our medical department.

30:14But it seems to be across like football now. There's just a wave of just significant and perennial injuries for so many big players now that, you know, whether it's the intensity of the schedule, the intensity of just football itself now, the way in which they train or whatever, it just feels like, you know, in our day, Charlie, in our day there was always a fine vintage of like 32 to 35 year old players you could rely upon at times like this in a season to bring in for six months you know yeah do we fancy a cadaver yeah go on then that'll be fancy yeah they almost don't exist anymore because they all just seem to get crocked i remember i feel like you and i and still um you know those in our sort of little tight circle often would talk about the need for characters like this to arrive and it is probably the fact that we're a little bit older now and we look to this bygone age with slightly rose-tinted specs but you know and we would do that and i remember we would we would be citing examples like there can be essa going in at leicester and then he suddenly realized that that was like 10 years ago and that to your point these players just don't exist and actually i think you know the way that um you know everything's been sort of hyper their careers just you know they start so young by the fact they reach um you know i was thinking about the link to conor gallagher like actually it's more of a like you bring in a 25 year old conor gallagher that's been playing non-stop since he's been you know a very young man you know that's the like the signing that you bring in to sort of shore things up which is which is mad because yeah sort of 15 years ago it would have been you bringing conor gallagher as a sort of young oh he's you know he's made his name somewhere now you're bringing him in as a prospect almost whereas it's like oh 25 year olds you know sort of dog of war conor gallagher is coming in to help your relegation battle it's mad isn't it it's because i would say is in our day right right now you'd have a 34 year old edin hazard balling out for bournemouth do you know what i mean like you just would christophe dugary styley at birmingham like you just you'd have a but what hazard i mean what he retired when he was 32, 33.

32:26And I know players have their own unique circumstances, but you can't help but see that, you know, we talk about Richarlison here, who when he was playing at Watford was like a leggy, pacey, tricky Brazilian winger dash inside forward, who is now what? A shithouse lump up front because he can't really move anymore. It's mad. It's like, you know, it's crazy. I don't know that enough is made of that either in terms of how he has been forced to completely change his style of who he is as a footballer because of the injuries that he suffered. I think that he's... And I am such a retarded synapologist and I make no bones about that.

33:08And I know that his touch is woeful at times and he misses easy chances and all the rest of it. But he tries. I think that he has had to put up... He's had to withstand an awful lot of injury reality that has meant he has quite impressively reinvented himself was this sort of 1980s English sort of division, first division number nine. And he does it pretty well. You know, he does it pretty well. And I think that, you know, if he was called, you know, Richard Richardson and was, you know, from Boreham Wood and was playing up front, sort of giving his, you know, doing his best and scoring sort of eight league goals by now, I think we'd all love him.

33:50But actually, maybe that's not true. maybe that's fine maybe that's quite a problematic thing to say I can't say anything these days we just need to revert back into talking about football in Arda, Pavel Nedved, what a player he was we can do that for 45 minutes dear idea, there's a new Patreon content stream for me in my day talking about, so you know I mentioned there about Richarlison being a shithouse talking about shithouses right I've got to say, mate, I am rattled by Morgan Rodgers. He, like, rattled. You know, I think there's been a sort of defense of Villa's behavior post-game. I've seen a lot of the kind of the commentary, if you like, have perhaps turned it more onto the ill discipline of Tottenham players getting stuck in, getting involved, Polina notably going in.

34:49And I think he started on Ollie Watkins and then Morgan Rodgers came in and started on Polina and it all kind of kicked off from there. I mean, look, it's part and parcel of football to a degree, but Villa, for a lot of the game, like we're taking a piss. Like Rodgers with his celebration and all that type of thing. There's sort of, I don't know, I choose to see sort of the pointed way spat on the pitch and stuff is quite, I don't know. It's inflammatory. And I just find as a wider point, I put out such a, I replied to like a Jack Pitbrook comment where Jack Pitbrook was essentially saying, you know, Spurs used to be really good.

35:28Villa were in the championship. Now look, they've bought better players. They've made better managerial appointments. They're leaving Spurs in the dust. And I simply said to Jack, I was like, all right, mate. As in like, you know, come on, you know, we're already down. We're thrown in the towel. Leave us alone. Stop. Stop. You know, we're already dead kind of thing. And mate, my mentions are full of Villa fans. like hold that spurs this spurs that and i think it's enough it's another one of these teams that just despises us it's leave us alone i think i think you know i think there's a lot of um you know from what i observe on uh on twitter i think there's it all feels like sort of psr related i think they've got this like they've got this irritation that they can't go out and you know they have to like do checks and balances with their transfers in a way that like the big six, the, the, the breakaway six, the sky six, or whatever the super league six sort of ever have to.