Levy’s Legacy, Spurs Takeover Talk and Mathys Tel Love

32:15do we think that this is now the precursor to the club being sold i know there was a statement that came out today about like a bid floating around but i think that's more about you have to report it publicly if you've had a bid but some sort of agreement with your shareholders so that's why because it was just weirdly like you know techno speak wasn't it this this statement that i saw this morning um so so yeah what's your what's your thoughts on whether it is the precursor to a big

32:45Jack:buyout well it is interesting isn't it because as you say uh the board of Tottenham Hotspur says its owner has unequivocally rejected two expressions of interest in the North London Football Club and that it is not for sale um the announcement late on Sunday came after the sudden departure of chairman daniel levy um which triggers speculation a takeover bid could be imminent some of the itks and stuff i've seen on twitter at the moment are saying that these two bids literally came in like moments after levy went like they were they were sort of prepped and ready to go um who have no idea whether or not these bids are whether they were seen as not being enough the club been valued at roughly around the four billion pound mark now um so maybe it's quite simply that the deals weren't enough as you say we have to we have to announce that we've rejected bids um i don't understand that world all i know is you know all i can go by is what other people have said which is apparently that's how this sort of stuff works um is it the precursor is getting sold well those i mean those rumors have hovered around us for quite some time haven't they um but i do just wonder i do just wonder if tavistock and the like are thinking hang on we've got this asset we're actually really rich as well why should we sell this actually why should we sell this thing why shouldn't we now have the fun because the thing is mate like you know we can talk we talk about leaving we talk about his motivations we talk about his dogma and all this type of stuff i think the the way we talk about kind of billionaires and people operate in this kind of higher circles of business operations we probably need to talk about them in the way that we talk about footballers and we all acknowledge that footballers brains don't work in the same way as ours and i think these type of people operate differently right i think i think for anybody you don't you don't luck into being a billionaire let's put it that way i mean yeah right you might inherit billions but i'm saying is if you are if you are somebody that scales a business if you make a business as they as has happened at topman worth whatever it was 80 million pounds to a four billion pound business you're driven by something there you're obviously very smart you're incredibly intelligent but you are you are driven with the need to be rich with the need to be on top with the need to be one of the best and I just wonder if suddenly people at Tavistock are like whether it's Vivian Lewis or whoever else is sat there now thinking actually i don't want to sell this actually like why don't we start to reap some of the the nice bits the the nice bits of having that we've walked this long road with us we've had our lackey daniel you know the lad that we know that can turn this scale this into a big operation let's do the fun bit now let's do that fun bit um let's make a name for ourselves you know joe lewis always seemed like he was a very passive because that's just the way that those kind of businessmen are right they don't necessarily need to be hands-on when they get to a certain point now there's been a changeover um you know he's handed the reins over to um his daughter and yeah maybe again it's just we're just assuming it's all hypothetical but maybe it's like well i want to make a name for myself is i'm not just joe lewis's daughter i can make my own decision and i think the world is different we do have to be a bit more sort of public facing with a lot of this stuff anyway.

36:37So yeah, you're right. It could just be a prompt in that sense. I mean, I'm not convinced this is all just clearing the decks for a buyout like you. I think that this is Tavistock are probably just like, I think this is a wrong time to sell a football club now. I think you wait another 5, 10, 15 years or something and sell it for way more. I think that's the kind of, that's the way things have been going. There's no, you can't snap them up cheap. And if, you know, and, you know, again, with Spurs positioned on the cusp of the American market, which Daniel Levy hasn't really ever seemed to be able to kind of, as much as, you know, he got us to the precipice there or got, you know, the Tottenham PLC or limited company to the precipice of, you know, being a huge player in the American market.

37:32it doesn't seem like we've properly managed to do that. So again, I don't think, unless you just want out, unless you're just like Asher stripping, but again, what's the point? You don't need the money. It's more about ego. So yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if we're going to see this for a little while longer.

37:51Jack:Martin Yole said in his piece, not his piece, in Ali Gold's piece, Martin Yole now writing for Football London. Ali Gold, Martin Yell mouthpiece confirmed. Yeah, exactly. He basically said Tottenham now are the biggest club in London. They just need to realise it. Something to that effect. And I suddenly thought, by golly, he's right. Because when you actually think about it, and when I've seen a lot of opposition fan reaction out the wake of this Levy thing, I think people are a bit rattled now. I think people are suddenly a bit worried because you do take that step back, don't you? And you look at the size of that stadium, you look at the infrastructure and you think everything is primed for us to actually be that.

38:50Jack:We already have, we have an enormous fan base as it is. And we've only just, we've only won our first trophy in 17 years last season, which was just, but you know what I'm saying, quote-unquote, just a Europa League. It's not like we just won the Premier League or won the Champions League last season, right? And still over a quarter of a million people line the streets of North London to see us bring that back. You know, I know the term like sleeping giant and stuff is thrown about a lot, but we could explode. That's the thing. why can't we be that club that is winning Premier Leagues, is winning Champions League, like Chelsea did, however long it was ago.

39:38I feel like it is our turn to do that, right?

39:43Jack:And I think, I mean, the main thing is, whether Enoch stay on or if we get new owners in, sporting success has to be pretty much the highest thing on the agenda because the business success side of things has been done the club pays for itself it's prince money now i know people will say jack walkers and all that type of thing don't exist anymore but you surely there's surely got to be someone look at maranakis he always wants to win stuff for forest you know there have to be still some rich owners out there that just want to win a champions league win a premier league because if they don't there's going to be masses of protests now.

40:25Jack:Getting rid of Daniel Levy signals we are going to compete on a sporting level now, on a sporting basis. Surely, right for Tottenham Hotspur? Yeah, it has to be. As much as we think that our voice doesn't matter in terms of wanting to get Levy out and stuff, what does matter is the banners and the kind of the optics and sky sports and everyone talking about the discontent and the very real element of it that we've spoken about here already is that everything is in place, I suppose. Why aren't they winning? That's not something an investment firm wants to report or wants being reported about them.

41:10They want to be, this investment firm has put the money in and has become a success so anything that kind of um denigrates that is really kind of red flag for them right so so yeah and as we said before early on in this pod that the to if you're going to own a football club then it needs to be successful but otherwise you could just own any other kind of business and we come back to that point that it's just you have it has to be sporting success has to be the kind of um the benchmark for things because again we've got you don't just build up all the other side of things and it will look pretty and nice if you're not going to kind of focus on the core business in this sense which is winning football matches so um yeah again i think i think um i think uh tavistock um is it even enic anymore i guess it is but i think what we've seen is that's just a kind of a go between between between the club and the supporters and who actually owns it and who actually puts the money in which is you know the overarching Tavistock group.

42:13So do you reckon,

42:16Jack:can I just say on that, do you reckon they're pivoting towards Tavistock more because Enoch suddenly carries with it this name that's been protested against? Because it does seem like a sly, it seems like a sly, but quite a subtle pivot in a lot of their communications now being the Tavistock group as opposed to Enoch. Because what is it? That's just, it's just another business-like arm of the main thing, right? You know, that kind of leads to our point that we were making before about the Tavistock kind of wanted to make a name for themselves now because they were just before under Joe Lewis happy to kind of sit in the background and raking loads of money from various different investments.

42:54But now, yeah, as you say, the word E-NIC, whatever that is, none of us really kind of understand what it is because, again, we're not a businessman. We don't care about that sort of stuff. We care about football. That's now a tainted profile, isn't it? so yeah i just yeah to your point yeah hopefully it's it's the focus now on the kind of business on the football inside of things because they've there isn't anything else to ring out of the business is there again i know we're supposed to sort of like not care about him at all but do you think they're um on tavistock enic whatever we're calling them now

43:38Jack:does it rankle with you at all like do you feel like because i feel like they're throwing him under the bus a bit i feel like they're doing that i don't even know what program it's from i just know what the meme means you know we're looking for the guy who did this the person dressed up as the hot dog i do feel like they're kind of throwing levy under the bus a bit the past few years when i think you you are and still have always been his boss at the end of the day you know like it's very well to sort of say he's taking us as far as he can and blah blah blah we want to achieve sporting success it's like i mean quarter of a century a quarter of a century being in charge of the club like you know and it's just now now you're piping up now after he's done the hard yards and gotten us to this point are you sort of chucking him under i don't know i i just I think my wider point on this is like yes it is kind of exciting times it is something of a new era because Daniel Levy's not in charge but let's not forget that like the ownership hasn't changed like we still have fundamentally in many places the same people still in charge of the club still running the show Now at Lowe's.

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46:46Jack:Why wait? Ask your doctor. Visit BotoxChronicMigraine.com or call 1-800-44-BOTOX to learn more. Yeah, I mean, I suppose you could argue that it's the same entity, but it's different people, right? That's the thing. The we, as in who own Tottenham, has changed, really. Yes, it's the same sort of whatever it is, whatever Tavisot Group, our investment company, but the people running that are different now. So, and Daniel Levy was the old guy's man, right? So get rid of him and then you can move forward. It's a rebranding, right? It's hard to kind of make any sort of judgments on this because obviously we don't know the sort of ins and outs of it all and we just want to win football matches and whatever.

47:32And hopefully we just get back to that and we don't have to talk about kind of ownership models and structures and things like that. We can just focus on what happens on the pitch without this kind of spectre in the background, which is what we've certainly felt for the last 10 years of this thing that's holding us back, which is like the E-NIC element of it all. So, yeah, I think we can be positive. I think we can be positive about these moves and that there's kind of, yeah, intention to kind of do better, right? And that's good for us as fans.

48:08Jack:because this is it as a fan I'm sure you're I mean in fact I know you're the same as fans all of this conversation like I don't really care about any of it all that I hope is that Spurs can win stuff like just win things now you know whatever get rid of him Enix stay go call yourself Tavistock call yourself whatever you want just keep spending money and keep trying to win stuff and I know it's basic and I know people will say that's not how it works but but it is that's literally how it works now that is football spend loads of money and try and win i didn't realize until i did i did a poll with flavin this summer and he pointed out to me that when we won the double in the 60s it's because we spent loads of money that summer we were the highest spending team in england which i i was completely unaware of um but you know there you have it you know i think it's been the case for pretty much as long as football's Herbert Chapman at Arsenal, you know, took whatever the Royal Arsenal, a load of like dock workers basically, and then turned them into league champions within a few years because he spent loads and loads of money on them.

49:20Jack:It's pretty straightforward, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. And it's fine to acknowledge that, right? It's, you know, ideally it'd just be completely about sporting endeavour, but what attracts the best sportsmen? You've got to pay them, right? So, yeah, that's where we are. Again, my hopes for this is that we just stop talking about it, really, for a bit. Because, again, it was becoming that you just couldn't see, you couldn't think about Spurs without thinking about Levy, without thinking about Enoch, without thinking about 17 years without winning a trophy. And that stuff was really sort of... It's such a drag.

50:03it's such a drag yeah it was really sort of destroying the love of the thing that you're supposed to just enjoy and not have to kind of worry about the state of the world in that sense so yeah that's my hope for it that we just get back to that and um yeah within reason as we said football is now a completely different beast it was even like probably 10 years ago to be honest but certainly 24 years ago from when levy took over so um yeah you have to adapt or die right it's just mad to think isn't it that like you know when you think about like probably large

50:38Jack:parts of our fan base now especially people who are online have only ever known Daniel Levy and to be honest like how I mean how long do we even remember Alan Sugar before him not that long it's just vague memories yeah only because of like publicity stunts and stuff like that and And that was sort of in keeping with all the other chairmen, you know, Peter Rizdale and people like that. I mean, I don't know if that was Sugar's time, but still. But when you're a kid as well, that sort of stuff's not even on your radar. Who owns your football club and all that type of money, you know? No, no. It's just Teddy Sheringham.

51:14Jack:That's it. Yeah. Can you remember at what point we were like, let's say i wouldn't say turned on levy because we shouldn't care about it like we've just said but when did he become a figure of vitriol at what point do you reckon when did it suddenly become oh our owners aren't gonna do anything or our owners are doing the wrong thing you know because that's the change in it sugar does this not the other um you know and again there was a lot reported about him and how we kind of run the club and things like that but when I can't really pinpoint the time I suppose I suppose it's the Joel thing right around Martin Yeo getting sacked at halftime that was probably the first time that I can remember where there was like this is a problem and as you say what that was what seven years into his tenure or something like that yeah I reckon that and I think yeah I think when it when it really started to come to a head in terms of like because yeah people are always going to moan about the owners of football clubs like he didn't buy you ever he didn't get Rivaldo done all that sort of stuff sat the board yeah yeah yeah but I reckon like when it really started to actually get quite it became like a pronounced thing you're leave Ian or leave you out I think the first time I started to hear people actually be like leave you out was after we brought in um Louis Saha and Ryan Nelson in that Harry Redknapp season because I think for the whole transfer window, you know, we were looking like with that Redknapp team.

52:51Jack:So what year was this? This was the year we were in the Champions League. So it's after we'd finished in the top four with Redknapp, the year after that. So Bale's a superstar now. He's one of the best players in the world. Luka Modric is one of the best players in the world, probably. And we were like a brilliant, brilliant team. And I think we'd been linked with Aguero for the whole transfer window. So from Atletico Madrid, and it looked like one of those ones. I'd probably liken it slightly to...

53:29I can't think of one of those examples of a transfer

53:34Jack:that actually did feel like it had legs. And as a Spurs fan, you kind of know it had... I mean, even let's not look at the way it kind of played out, but like Eza this summer in terms of like, we're not saying we're definitely going to get him, but it kind of felt like, yeah, there is enough to this. So I didn't think it was just fanciful because that we were on the verge of maybe getting Aguero. He was incredible. He was killing the Atletico Madrid. It was a matter of like who was going to get in there first. And it felt like we were going to add him in. And we waited all, I think it was a winter transfer window.

54:11Jack:We waited the whole transfer window, did absolutely nothing. Because I just remember being like, if we just add a couple of players to this team, we've got like peak Ledley King here, got Van der Vaart, we got Modric, we got Bale. We've got so many good players in this team. Aaron Lennon out there as well in his peak. We had a couple of players into this. We could actually maybe win the league. and then we we brought in like that just the days before it ended was saha and nelson and i i think in my in the back of my head i was suddenly like oh hang on like maybe he doesn't actually really care about it in the same way that we do and i reckon like from yeah in a wider scale i reckon that's when i saw more people being like get him out i'm leaving out now after that i reckon the Nelson Saha window.

55:07Yeah, the pushback from that was that he didn't trust Redknapp. He didn't want to give Redknapp his players because of the whole England job looming and all that sort of thing. Which is all good and well as an excuse not to do it, but the club's bigger than what Harry Redknapp is.

55:28Jack:Yeah. But again, we're just raking over old coals now with it. But yeah, it's just, didn't it? It felt after that point, there was always an excuse. Suddenly, suddenly from that point, things changed a bit. And there was suddenly always an excuse as to why we weren't doing business. Yeah. And then it's the Pochettino years of not kind of buying anyone. And then the sort of, it starts to get a reputation, right? That's when it all started to bubble up. And again, that coincides with the rise of social media as well, where just we tend to know more or certainly hear more, whether it's true or not.

56:10But yeah, it's just kind of interesting to sort of look back and see that. I mean, I've said this often about Levy, and I'll say it again, just for balance here. At the sort of time where he took over, our competitors were Leeds, Newcastle, Villa, teams like that. they've all been bombed out of the league because they were terribly run. So maybe he was a necessary evil for that period just to kind of navigate it and get us to the point. But that doesn't mean it's not right for him to go now and for us to, or again, go a few years ago after the stadium was built, but he just clung on too long. And I wouldn't say ruined his legacy because again, I think legacy changes.

56:50When Spurs kind of start winning stuff, or let's say if Spurs start winning stuff, then people will point to the foundations that he laid and he'll rightly get credit for that. But I think if he'd hung on or not got rid of any longer, then I think that those foundations would have meant less because again, football has changed and we needed to adapt to it.

57:11Jack:Have we considered it all goes to slop from here, Phil? That maybe Levy was the man holding back the beasts at the gate and now the beasts are out and they're going to feast on our innards? well yeah i mean that's always a possibility there's always the possibility of it kind of being you know be careful what you wish for and that sort of thing which is why i'm i'm hoping it's actually kind of it's just have a stock moving things around rather than anything you know a massive upheaval in terms of a different owner and therefore different um goals and uh required achievements with with buying a club like spurs so um yeah i mean of course of course when change happens, the possibility is always in the back of your mind that you're going to be worse off.

57:58That's why change is scary, right? If that wasn't there, then change would be good all the time. So, yeah, we did finish 17th last season, though, regardless of the context and all the kind of attributes or the things that attributed to that. That was under Levy's watch, and it was all something that we pointed at saying, you know, again, the January transfer window last season, let's point out, yeah, we got Kinski in first. We had no centre-backs and we wait until the very last end of the window to get two more in. It's that sort of thing. That is not how football is anymore. You get punished for every misstep.

58:33And, you know, we almost paid the ultimate sacrifice in Premier League terms in getting embroiled, if not relegated. Again, three terrible teams. This has all been said before, but still, I think that was a really bad sign and I'm glad that they've kind of made the change.

58:52Jack:Obviously, it would not be good if, like, you know, Spurs did go to slot from now. But also, in terms of, you know, they're like, be careful what you wish for, sort of stuff. You know, I think we're all drawn to that, the chaos side. What is it? Was it Bane says in, I was born in chaos or something. What's he saying? He says something like that. I was like, I'm born in my chaos or something. You were adopted by I was born in it or something like that. And then there's the Dark Knight quote where, you know, Michael Caine says, some men just want to watch the world burn. And you have a bit of that as well.

59:29You just want to see the walls on fire and just see people running with their hair on fire and stuff like that. Not literally, but yeah. But I don't think so. I think this is just a bit of a fire.

59:45Jack:Have you noticed how since he did Bane, Tom Hardy does tend to speak like that in every world. He does. This was always my voice. It wasn't, mate. Definitely in... You were always speaking for a coffee cup. In Taboo, which I don't think the word... You know the Taboo, the BBC? I do, yeah. It's great. I think it's written by Chips Hardy, his dad. Him and his dad, yeah. Chips. Yeah. Chips. It's quite a good name. But we'll get a bit hungry now if I was called Chips. You know what I mean? Chips. Yeah, go on then. but yeah in that he said it talks just like this as well um this is i know this has pivoted a bit from topman mathis tell he uh he said some stuff about not being in the champions league team he did say some stuff about not being in the champions league side he said uh fuck this shit i'm out um he didn't he actually said uh uh it is clear that when you are not in a squad it hurts but I'm somebody who stays pretty positive no matter the situation because I think I have worked a lot on my mental side so today it's definitely a disappointment I would have liked to have been there but the coach's choice is the coach's choice I can only respect it and I will work to come back in the best possible way how can you hate this kid how could like the slander I see that the way people talk about this lad come on man like i like him i know yeah i know i know this is a a weak mentality mate whatever and i know he missed but that volley the volley against bournemouth the other day the technique on that i was like there was just a it was just like yeah yeah yeah but i was like there's something there and you saw i will say you saw the same thing with Bale because he struggled early days at Tottenham but there was still always like there were flashes of something there and so in my opinion right off Mathis Tell at your peril that's what I would say yeah and again hindsight this could work out to be completely in his favor where you know if he's in the Champions League squad then it probably doesn't change his role in the team too much where he's probably snatching five ten minutes here or there in games just because, you know, he's playing at the highest level.

1:02:09He's now, for want of a better phrase, relegated to playing early rounds of the League Cup and FA Cup. It might turn out to be the best thing that happens to him for Spurs because he just needs that kind of run and just needs to score a few, you know, get his confidence. Again, I don't think he's lacking in confidence, but just settle him down a bit because that's the thing that I get from watching him. He's just very, again, it's that old adage of like trying too hard, isn't it? He seems like he just tries too hard because he has to snatch at minutes. Therefore, he's in these positions where he feels like he's under pressure to make a point.

1:02:47So, yeah. So, again, as you rightly say, it's way too early to kind of write him off. He just needs to play a few games against kinder opposition to get his eye in, I think, and we'll see.

1:03:04Jack:so you say you say adage the old adage because i i've i've said adage and i've said adage on here loads of times i've been made fun of on purpose because i remember you saying that and i was like it's adage if it's wrong then like who knows we need to get we need to get to the bottom of this what it actually is because the old adage sounds right the old adage yeah maybe I think I've even said Adagé on here. Do you know what I mean? That sounds like a perfume that you'd have once upon a time. No, now you might have Tom Hardy. Do you know what I mean? I wear this. I wear Adagé. Adagé. As an aside, how mental are perfume or eau de toilette adverts?

1:03:51Do you ever watch them and just think, what on earth is going on in there?

1:03:55Jack:but they've been consistently shit like that for what as long as I can remember watching television absolutely bonkers maybe that's it it's like dual tone it'll either be like blue and black or black and white people walking around like an old country manor or in a house of mirrors or something and people whispering saying some nonsense nonsense yeah yeah why do they do it tried and tested tried and tested formula i guess is why they do that that way but you know maybe i mean how would you how would you approach a perfume sell me go on sell me this pen sell me your some of your tottenham branded what we're gonna call it spursy spursy cologne go on i'd like it smells like grass and eventual failure and then be surrounded in mirrors with a chicken football get sonny back to uh to market it and then it would be a success and they're holding it yeah exactly it's easy this ad game done easy peasy don't need all those kind of operatic Simpsons do a send up of that quite well don't they Mr Plough do you remember Mr Plough the Mr Plough episode yeah that's a good one just come on Spurs just win stuff Daniel Levy's gone soz Daniel thanks for your help mate but you know you're chip paper now lad we need we need a Premier League don't we mate I think that's what we need I would love that.

1:05:43Champions League, obviously massively so, but in our near future, I would like a Premier League.

1:05:50Jack:I would like a Premier League. I'm going to say it, mate. In the next five years, I would like a Premier League at Tottenham. Yeah, I'm an entitled fan. I'll own it. I am an entitled melt, right? But is that too much to ask for? if you don't ask you don't get i mean if you do ask you don't get in my experience in regards to spurs as well most of the time but yeah why not why not jack hey um i can't wait for real football to come back after this international break it's horrible isn't it especially when you make signings on the on deadline day and you don't get a chance to kind of really get to know before they go off to international tournaments or international games.

1:06:34It's really, really annoying.

1:06:38Jack:Saying I can't wait for real football to come back. Sounds like one of those, like, I'm setting my clocks back to 1950. Football had some testicular fortitude, you know. Yeah. Fly my Spitfire to work.

1:06:56Jack:flying your spitfire along so you can like tie all the flags to lampposts as you go along to work as well flying it flying at such a height so you can multitask and get that done i'm waiting for the return of real football no more kneeling no more rainbow flags just lots of big meaty challenges, loss of wallop, muddy pitches, orange ball when it's snowing. I just want to see our new boys play for Spurs. Yeah, against West Ham as well. Stinking, smelly West Ham. Kudus. Wait, hang on. No, Kudus doesn't score for Spurs yet, has he? No. First competitive goal for Tottenham. Kudus against West Ham.

1:07:43Jack:Cupping his ears to all of them. running. I want to see him run the whole length or whatever it is. The circumference of the pitch. Take a stool with him. Yeah.

1:07:55Jack:Let's do some of that. Phil, it's been a pleasure, mate. I hate talking about business stuff. You love it? Never again. Don't hand me back on here again. You want to talk about money. I only want to talk about proper football stuff. Goals, nets rippling, crunching tackles, pies at half time. The clackers in the stands. I might do like a football Twitter account where all I do is like board tactics, movements within hierarchies and what needs to happen since I know so much about it. Do you think you could non-ironically bring a clacker back to the football? Where did they go? At what point? things that people would spin around.

1:08:47Yeah, because people started braining each other with them. So they just banned them. Yeah, of course.

1:08:52Jack:Lobbing them at footballers in the 70s. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Stoving people's heads in. See, that's it. That's again, mate. That's what they've taken from us. Real football. The return of real football. Clackers. Devastating brain injuries on five past three on a Saturday. The game's gone, mate. Proper gone. Bye. Goodbye. Goodbye.

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