Overseas Pre-Season Realities, Osimhen Truthing & De Zerbi on Richarlison’s Future

27:27Jack:And also the authorities. I mean, there's some quick and immediate wins. Number one, stop moving games at the last minute for television. It's just, it's an absolute disgrace. It's an absolute disgrace the amount of times they do that to away fans, to traveling fans who have booked their travel in advance, who, whatever, have made their, you know, probably booked a day off work if it's a Sunday fixture, something and so forth, that type of thing. um it's you know things like that are appalling as you say you know it was only mate it was a it was a little over 10 years ago that you could still get a ticket to almost any game at spurs sat in the park lane for 35 quid yeah yeah not a chance now not a chance no if you're going for the day if you're going for the day as a member yeah i know they will say tickets start from 38 pounds and you've got like one line of seats at the very very very top of the stand on average on average now what you're looking 65 70 pounds to go yeah yeah category a you know newcastle category a as we know um what is it category c now isn't it they announced i think they've changed it to b didn't they as a there you go i'm talking about giving something back to the fans who who am i to judge when they've officially announced that newcastle will no longer be category a thanks spurs well thanks spurs they are at least still spending loads of money this summer and we will get we'll get on to that because maybe that's not over yet but before we do a couple couple of little takeaways from the tour Mathis Tell very very impressive I'm a big fan you know has he has he sort of has your opinion of him changed have you always quite liked him do you think he is perhaps more of a player that we can count on for the first team this year because I think a lot of people sort of have written him off already haven't they yeah yeah definitely a lot of people have said that he's not good enough And look, I don't blame anyone for thinking anyone in this squad is not worth sticking with after the last couple of years.

29:27Mathis Tell has been with us for 18 months now. It's not an insignificant amount of time for a player, but it's everything has got the tax of Ange and Frank for the last two seasons. It's not all down to those as individuals. The club has been a disaster for a long time and has been heading this way. and it's really tough to think of these young players that have come in who want to make an impact but just have been completely like shackled because of how poor the team around them is. Tell shouldn't have had anywhere near the amount of minutes that he's had in the last two seasons probably it's just the injury situation has meant it's been impossible to avoid playing these players.

30:09he's I think he's got a lot of raw talent and ability that hopefully will be hours to unlock it it wouldn't surprise me if it doesn't happen at Spurs I think he just strikes me as one of those players that can be a little bit ways he is inconsistent and I think that's the biggest thing that he needs to iron out of his game he needs to be he needs to reach for him what would be the heights of 7 out of 10 every single week and then build from there because he's just he's you know 9 out of 10 or 3 out of 10 and there doesn't seem to be anywhere in the middle for him and in a way that isn't particularly impactful either I think yeah but what I would his attitude is he's brilliant I remember the Wolves game last season the the 1-0 at the Molyneux and he he was in he came on at halftime for Moani I think and then he was injured pretty soon afterwards and And we were, you know, as you know, we've literally had zero players.

31:04There was no one that could have come on for him if he went off. And he was very limpy and he didn't really know how serious it was. But he kept getting up and he kept trying and he was literally sprinting, limping, trying to win the ball back. And in the end, it was him that won the corner that Palinja scored from. And I think that attitude is something that we can't really afford to throw away. so I would like to think that in a better team better coached with hopefully better players continuing to be coming in working around him but also putting pressure on him to win his place you know that left-hand side is nobody's at the moment so if he can get some real competition in there get him to raise his game hopefully get some consistency I think there's someone there that we can really get a lot out of on that left-hand side it could be quite exciting but he's got to take the opportunity now because yeah we're not quite seeing enough for me to think that he's untouchable in this squad

32:07Jack:Let me ask you this then I know life football doesn't work this way, life doesn't work this way but if we had to be more zen about it, live in the moment and everything from what you've seen in this pre-season thus far had we signed Mattis Tell this summer, I think it's fair to say we would all be looking at this thinking wow this is an exciting piece of business this is an exciting young player we've signed Yeah I think that's fair I say he's tainted along with a lot of players with the last 18 months with just how bad that has been but yeah you're right what he's shown just the run against Chelsea that he did when he went between two players where's that been in any of our players in our wide players in particular even Kudus who is kind of all about that we just haven't seen it enough from our wide players, from anyone in our attack so we know that's the area of the pitch that is in serious need of surgery but I don't really see any reason why if we get a left winger I can't see them being of such a stature that they are a guaranteed starter above tell.

33:15Jack:It's probably going to be Savino right? Probably yeah and I don't think that's the worst thing for them two to battle it out for that left hand side and see who wins out. That's what we need. Get Tell to be running at full-backs and see what he can really do. And if it doesn't work out, we've got someone who couldn't step into his position in the first 11 and vice versa. That's a good position for us to be in. That's what we should be aiming for in every position we've got. Did you see any of the highlights appearing on Spurs Twister the other day of Savino? I think they played a pre-season against Inter Milan, Man City.

33:51Jack:he looked well good he looked so good that I think everybody's starting to be a bit worried Maresca's going to be like actually you know what I might have him I might give him yeah I think end product is that is still the issue seemingly for Savino but it's not something that we weren't aware of before and someone like De Zerbi is going to be well aware of that that's going to be something that we need to work on yeah well we'll enjoy seeing him sack him on the training ground in a few weeks time. He did that, didn't he, at Marseille? Antonin Kinski, you know, he played the game against Chelsea, was exceptional, really, as he was towards the end of last season.

34:37Jack:Seems as though we're going into the season with him as our number one. Vicario's on his way out. I think Juventus are on the verge of bringing him in. Good luck. Henry Winter was on Last World on Spurs the other day and basically said Tottenham desperately need a new number one he thinks that Kinski is you know, he's not there he's not good enough for Spurs to be their number one do you think this, you know, do you think people's opinion of him to say somebody outside of the club like a Henry Winter are still having their decisions led by that performance against Atletico Madrid? Do you think it's sort of unfairly haunting his reputation, if you like?

35:24Jack:Or do you reckon, you know, Kinski is good enough? Because, you know, there's a lot of chat about James Trafford. He spoke about James Trafford as well and said that's exactly the sort of player Spurs should go for. But Trafford's got a disaster reel himself in there that people gloss over. I think it was literally against Spurs. He had an absolute shocker against us. So it's not like he's completely infallible, you know? Hey, Chicago, class it up with Crocs. You know back to school is coming in fast. So why wait to find your new fave footwear? Step into a local Crocs store and step into your new look.

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37:56It's very Joe Hart redux, isn't it? It does say a lot, I think. Who are we to question that judgment? I think that's a really good question. and I think it's very possible that people are still clouded in their view of Kinski by that night in Madrid. But I think it's not unfair for that to happen. It was about as bad an individual performance. Not everything his fault, you know, his couple of slips, the surface, all of that that we went through at the time. But as a 22 minutes, it's pretty hard to think of it going much worse for any single player, particularly a goalkeeper, in the, what was it, it wasn't quarterfinals, it was last 16 in the Champions League, or was it quarterfinals?

38:41Oh, last 16. Last 16, you know.

38:44Jack:Or was it quarterfinals? Hang on, you got me down on myself. Yeah, I felt like it was quarterfinals, but knockout football in the Champions League, everyone's tuning in to watch, and it was the worst 22 minutes, or whatever it was in the end, that you could imagine, you know, a young keeper to have. And so it's quite hard to look at Kinski now and think about Kinski without that context, because everything since then feels to be in response to that. His decent end of last season, his saves against Leeds and Wolves, all had this hero arc or redemption arc to them, didn't they? it wasn't just saves it was our keeper who was like left for dead really by the manager at the time by a performance in at the highest level that just yeah left him seemingly with a career in tatters certainly at Tottenham and he responded to it so I think it is hard to think of Kinski now and if he does start next season as number one to have that and you know within what six months of that night is a really impressive thing for him individually I think he deserves a lot of credit for that maybe for someone like Henry Winter it is impossible to get past that and view Kinski as a very decent young goalkeeper like he is so I think it's it's potentially harsh but on the question of do we need a new number one I don't think so I don't think we're in a position to fix everything in this team right now and if you are asking me where the most urgent surgery is needed as i've said earlier is it is up front we've seemingly fixed the midfield issue we've certainly bulked up in defense if you if we had the perfect summer maybe i would be looking at a goalkeeper as it is if we can save ourself what's what's the top class goalkeeper cost now anything between 40 and 80 million you know depending on who you're looking at and the level I would be saving that for a left winger and a striker.

40:46I don't think we need to be looking at Kinski yet. Ask me again in January if he's gone completely tits up for the last six months and he's costing us goals left, right and centre. Fine. I'm not suggesting he's going to be one of the best in the Premier League or anything, but he's no dud. And I think he showed that last season that he can on his day be a fantastic shot stopper and he does play out from the back. which is all of those things that we want. Really nicely as well. Really nicely. Really impressive. And hopefully with people like Van Hecker coming in and obviously the midfield being rebuilt, we are hopefully actually going to be able to keep hold of the ball.

41:24It's not just going to be Kinski making a nice pass out and then us failing to hold onto the ball for any length of time. You would hope that those qualities that he has got will be accentuated by the improvements that we've made in front of him. And I think that shouldn't go unnoticed as well. so yeah fuck off Henry Winter fuck off I don't

41:45Jack:like him well I sound a bit Danny Kelly then but he's kind of they are there's Henry Winter has is somewhere between Danny Kelly and Louis Theroux do you know what I mean I think I would like to talk about football today I am a football writer for the time there's almost a bit I've got to say if you're listening there's a bit of Dan Kilpatrick in there as well I think with Henry Winter I mean there's a shade shade of him do you remember dan kilpatrick you remember dan kilpatrick who remembers dan kilpatrick vaguely rings a bell when that was a thing so talking of other things that are now coming to prominence a lot of people getting very excited because alistair gold has said that spurs are working on something massive behind the scenes um they don't know how long it's going to take if they're even going to get it done or whatever but it seems to be that there is something big going on we've heard deserve he talk about bombers before you know people are getting very excited now alongside this there's a lot of kind of links coming out of turkey from a certain journalist out there who seems to have a reputation that is perhaps not the best but still this journalist is intimating that Tottenham have made an approach for Victor Ossiman.

43:05Jack:And look, a lot of people are scoffing at this from the off, and I think that's probably fair. The reality with Victor Ossiman is that he's reportedly on about£325 ,000 a week after tax. That's what he's on. I'm not sure how the Turkish tax system works, but he's got a very, very good deal out there where he's earning a fortune a fortune that where he want parity in the uk spurs would need to pay him over 600 000 pounds a week and i'm not taking this down the route of we simply can't as i sort of spoke about with jack gallagher last time it's not my money it's made up money i don't care but i'm just talking about the actual reality of anybody Manchester City, Chelsea, anybody with like limitless money, let alone Tottenham, actually giving a footballer£600 ,000 a week, it's probably not going to happen.

44:04Jack:So if Victor Osterman were to come to the Premier League, he would probably have to drop his salary demands wherever he ended up, especially if he were to come to Spurs. If we just suspend reality for a moment though, Tom, that is, when we talk about bombers, right? that's the type of signing that gives you a little tickle in the pickle doesn't it yeah yeah it puts us puts us well and truly on the map puts a bit of lead in your pencil doesn't it certainly does are there any other are there any other phallic metaphors we can use this really is rule the roost after dark isn't it underneath this t-shirt nothing that's it just from the waist down It's an AI t-shirt.

44:48Yeah, exactly. Yeah, look, it really puts us on the map. And again, the area of the pitch that we really need something to not just go and get some reinforcements there, but to go and get a guy that was linked with literally everyone a couple of seasons ago. Everyone was after it. And it was a bit of a weird one that he ended up at Galatasaray, wasn't it? I don't really understand what happened there. He was in Italy, wasn't he? was he Napoli or Lazio Napoli so it seemed a bit of an odd pathway for him to take and it's maybe left him in a place where he doesn't really have a lot of options to move unless he as you say takes that pay cut so I don't want to get too excited about it but you do wonder if the club are I don't want to say if the club are serious because I'm trying not to be cynical about it for this summer.

45:42I think they've shown good intent and I also think that the striker and winger market at the moment is insane. It's just, I can't blame the club for not really going all in on this. Morgan Rodgers is a good player but going for£117 million or whatever it is, it's just ridiculous what's happening in that area of the pitch at the moment. These players are at a premium in many ways and they're hard to get hold of. So, but, but, if you say suspending reality, if the club did want to make that statement, you can't really think of many other players that are certainly in Spurs' grasp, other than Ossiman, that, yeah, would really put us on the map in the way that he would.

46:27So we can be excited about it. Why not just see what happens? Who knows? We definitely need that upgrade though, because I don't rate us for our goal scoring prowess if what we've got at the moment is what's going to start next season.

46:47Jack:I mean, when we're talking about number nines, if you like, there's obviously that band, isn't there? there's your Harlins, Canes and Bappes. Yeah, I think so. I think we as a club probably need to get ourselves back to that status of just below the elite, you know, the baby steps and all that. Let's get ourselves back to where we were, which was mixing it with those elite clubs and with aspirations of getting to the top. And to do that, you need to be aligning yourself with the playing staff version of that. You need to be getting in the players that fit that mould and are able to get you to that level and then aspire to be more.

47:26And Austin Men definitely fits that bill. That's what makes it so exciting. It's a player that back in the 2015 to 2020 days when we felt as if we were building and becoming that massive club, that's the sort of player that we really wanted to be linked with and felt like could take us to that next level and help bulk out the squad. And we stopped doing that sort of deal. So, yeah, it's exciting for that reason. And I think that's the reason we should be exploring it as much as anything else. The statement that it makes, but the genuine improvement that it makes for us to become the club that we want to be.

48:03I think it's exciting on that front.

48:05Jack:What about Cody Gatpo? Because that seems to be one that's heavily linked. Does that put butter on your bread? Gravy on your roast beef? Yeah, yeah. It puts stuff in up my turkey. it does it does because again I think I think we're so we're so light up front but even the ones that we have got are just yeah it's inconsistent and let's face it it's injury prone as well like we just don't have that availability up front to be saying no to players like Cody Cody Gakpo I mean can I just jump just really quick as well the whole sort of one of the lines I've seen trotted around is he doesn't improve us come like come on yeah I get it I get that if you don't like the fact we're only targeting Premier League players, I get the fact if you have maybe concerns about his ability to play as a number nine.

48:57Jack:Those sort of things I can see. But to say that he doesn't improve us, I just think it's not true. It's about how much he improves us, then yeah, sure. We can have a discussion around how much you think he may improve us. Do I think Gakpo coming in would be a seismic of something like Osserman? No, I don't, if I'm brutally honest. However, do I think Cody Gakpo is a realistic signing that does improve Tottenham Hotspur? A hundred percent. I absolutely do. Yeah, and I think it's one of those things as well. Again, talking about the stature of club that we are, Liverpool are at the very, very top.

49:37And to succeed there, you have to come in and you have to contribute and you have to be an 8, 9, 10 out of 10 player every single week. Otherwise, you just won't make it. And I don't think Gakpo has been that since he's been there. He has been very inconsistent. But that doesn't mean that he shouldn't be coming to a place like Spurs and hoping to prove himself and us being able to train with him week in, week out. A manager like De Zerbi is about being on the training pitch and improving players and making cohesive football units as teams. There's no reason to say that he couldn't get his hands on someone like Gakpo and really improve him and make us into a team that can bring him in and succeed with him as part of the team.

50:22I don't think that's the case at Liverpool. I think you have to hit the ground running. So, yeah, it'd be nice to think that that would be a bit of a marriage made in heaven. But we'd have to see. But the idea of him not improving us, yeah, is nonsense. You cannot, as big a fan of Tell as we are, you can't seriously sit here and say that Gakpo isn't a better player than Tell. isn't immediately into the first team over Tell or a fit Odderbear. It's just nonsense. So yeah, I'd like to see it. I'd like to see that deal be done.

50:54Jack:I mean, when we consider like the amount of injuries, the uncertainty over the level of Kulisevsky upon his return, the level of James Madison, how long he can stay fit for, how long it's going to take Chevy Siemens to be back, how long Dominic Solanke can stay fit for. You compound this also with this ongoing question mark over Richarlison. He scored the winner against Chelsea. It was good. It was very nice to do that. I know we've had the conversation about not playing those type of fixtures at the start of a season, but still beating Chelsea is a nice feeling. It was good to see Richarlison kind of...

51:30Jack:He's sort of one of those players, isn't he, that you really don't like when he plays as somebody else. I really appreciate his canny knack of being able to tap one in at Anfield or score against a club like Chelsea he just kind of he in some strange ways he's not actually beholden to the same kind of like Spurs feeling that we can't win against teams like that which is kind of kind of mad to say because he's not had the best Spurs career but I still sort of see him as something of a big game player in a way Richarlison maybe I'm just kind of a bit drunk on him being like Brazil's number nine and you know when I think about the history of an R9 for Brazil and all that type of thing.

52:13Jack:It's an illustrious thing. But still, look, you know, Roberto De Serbi has spoken again in his usual very revealing, very upfront candor as he has done throughout this tour. When asked about Richarlison's future and he said, I don't know. I like him as a guy. He's unbelievable in terms of attitude and behavior, but we also have to respect what he wants. You know, and I don't know what he wants. the situation because is that sometimes he wants to stay sometimes he wants to leave we're going to speak about it there's no problems between us he's a lovely guy he's an important player it's not going to be able it's not going to be easy to find a striker who's as good as him he scores goals and he knows how to do that he scored 12 goals last season not because of luck but because he knows what he's doing um it's clear clear as mud isn't it really um what Richarlison's future is actually going to be.

53:12Jack:But I think De Zerbe's quite clearly spelled out what it is, you know, like he did with Lucas Bergvau. He'd rather hold on to these players, but if they don't want to be there, he's not going to beg anybody to stay at Tottenham, I think. And that's right, isn't it? That's right. But whatever's happening, if he doesn't want to stay, we've got to get rid of him, don't we? We need him off the books. We need that sort of aura of the old era to clear. We need it to go. And we need somebody else in place of him. To me, it's as simple as that, right? And I know football is anything but simple. But that's what has to happen.

53:51Yeah, I do agree. I just feel like we've had this same conversation every summer. Every fucking summer.

53:57Jack:Every fucking summer about him. For what? Since he joined, which was in 22, 23? I feel like he's always been. I feel like I've never not seen Richarlison at Tottenham. I feel like he's been here forever. I know what you mean. Yeah, he does feel like. But then at the same time, he's seen so infrequently that it just feels as if he's this, yeah, bit of a sort of a gimmick player almost. It's a tricky one with Richarlison. I really like him and his endeavour and talks a good game, does always seem willing to fight. He'll never give up, but it just, he's a tough watch at times and I think he's a really tough watch in a team that isn't playing very good football because he doesn't he isn't silky he isn't he's not flair and glamour and you know he's not a typical Brazilian attacker in that sense he's a fighter he's a bit of a kickboxer and there are some situations where that is really important and last season was one of those although I have to say I don't his contribution in those final seven eight nine games I don't know how injured he was but he wasn't great I don't I don't think he really contributed a huge amount I can't think of any major moments outside of that equalizer at Anfield which is just perfect example of who he is is like you say he'll build he'll bring himself up for a big moment in a big game like that and he'll get it and then he'll go missing for the other nine games in that in that sequence um and it's made him a very frustrating watch i think he's he's he's got a goal record that i think we probably all would have guessed when he joined us he's got i think one in three for us and it's not bad it's not bad yeah if you know if you're not if you're not harry kane and you're not hymn son getting one in two one in one like yeah it's fine it's just he did he did arrive at the same time as you know Kane's last season he didn't get a lot of minutes and then suddenly he was our number nine under Ange and then he was replaced with Solanke and between them you know they've just been they've been so disappointed between the last two seasons and neither of them have fully taken any opportunity neither have been fit enough to neither have been very consistent what I would say is that the narrative around Richarlison always feels a lot nastier than it does around Solanke.

56:21I'm not a Solanke fan. I think anyone that follows me on Twitter will know that. I make no secret of it. I think it's pound for pound one of the worst signings that we've ever made. And I actually think I would have said that when we did sign in 65 million for a guy that had been in the Premier League for seven seasons and had got 38 goals, I think it was. I mean, really, really, really big question marks on that as a deal. But there doesn't seem to be anywhere near the same level of discourse around him. And if anything, it always feels like when he's not there, his value is never higher. Oh, if Salenke was fit, we'd be able to do this, this and this.

57:00Well, yeah, but he's not. And even when he is, he doesn't really make that sort of impact. Richarlison has the same issues or a lot of the same issues, but does seem to get an awful lot more of the get out of my club at any cost sort of treatment, which always felt a little bit unfair considering he did always at least seemingly want to be on the pitch and want to help us and want to scrap and fight and especially in our lowest moments. Though I would take money for him. I think he's only got one year left on his deal. I've never been fully comfortable with the, you know, take money from anywhere thing and like the Saudi stuff.

57:37Like we always talked about getting our money back by sending him to Saudi. Maybe he doesn't want to go. He doesn't want to go to Saudi Arabia and that should be fine. It's up to us to fucking cart these players off wherever we want them to.

57:47Jack:I mean, the other thing as well that you would say on that one is like if you sort of look at Richarlison's persona, he's a pretty left-leaning, liberal kind of guy. Maybe he doesn't personally want to, you know, be part of a sports washing project. Yeah, and which we should be celebrating really. I get that everyone else is benefiting from it or we feel as if everyone else is benefiting from it and we're being left behind by not doing these deals and whatever. And yeah, there's an element of truth in that. but some of these players that have gone out there want to do it because they're earning 400 grand a week.

58:17There's a massive incentive for a lot of these players to go out there that makes a significant part of every deal that gets made. Richarlison may just not want to do that. He wants to stay in England. He's got a young family, a settled in England. If Everton probably came back and offered a deal for him, then you'd have to say that you'd imagine he would rather take that than doubling his money. he's absolutely

58:43Jack:balling out for Fulham I reckon that's very very right absolutely stinks of Fulham does Richarlison it's a really very good shout yeah very good shout I don't I don't won't have any affection and I won't miss him because he say he was frustrating but I'd feel I'd feel like we need to replace his attitude you know in whoever it is that we get in to replace him or to supplement his place in the squad that's going to be vacant. We need fighters where we are because we don't have enough of that. Well, let's end the show, Tom. I'll let you go in a moment, but let's end the show on a fun note. So, the folks over on Patreon, patreon.com slash RTRpod, have asked that we partake in something of a challenge.

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1:01:35Jack:Visit store for full terms. So they've, on the Richarlison though, we've been asked to rank Tottenham's 10 Brazilian players that we've had down the years. So that's, for your reference, that's... Am I trying to name them? All right then, go on then. Just for, so Richie. Yes. Gomez. Yep. I'm going to write this down as I go. Paulinho Lucas Moura Emerson Royale yeah how many is that 1, 2, 3, 4 oh god and we got 10 uh Vinicius yep Jesus uh Sandro Sousa 1, 2, 3, 4 5, 6, 7 think about literally one of the worst players that's ever pulled on our shirt uh he's no Getson Fernandes was Portuguese wasn't he hmm do you want another clue yeah go on one more before I he's one of those players that has joined the unfortunate club of being brought on in the second half and then taken off again oh okay what because he was so bad oh my god why can't I get this oh Gilberto there you go Gilberto and then the other one was an academy prospect if you can remember defender an aptly named nominative determinism a defendee yeah yeah Trigo defendee I mean that's that's I don't think but yeah you You know the old meme that people do of like J.K.

1:03:03Jack:Rowling writing a certain character? That is definitely J.K. Rowling writing a Brazilian defender, isn't it? Rodrigo Defendi. Yeah, it's literally like the gammon down the pub describing a player he doesn't like. Sorry, you rang? You rang? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I knew I'd heard it before. That's the pen. So we're ranking these. I mean, this is actually a shit list, isn't it? But it's also, it's a shit list in terms of, it's actually really difficult as well, I think. Because for me, there are several who could make the case to be number one for different reasons. Jorilio Gomez was a very good keeper when he was a good keeper.

1:03:49Yeah, great. One really, really good season for Gomez.

1:03:55Jack:That's the season we got into the top four, isn't it? Yeah, in the 0-9-10, he was fantastic. I seem to recall like a North London derby where he was a brick wall. He made a hat-trick of saves, two against Van Persie and one against Judas. Yes. When we were two-no up and not hanging on, but if they'd have scored, I think we would have been in trouble. They did score very late, but that was in like 75 minutes or something. One of the saves he made from Van Persie was amazing. I mean, more of Ajax. I mean, that's the greatest night in the club's modern history. It's hard to look past Lucas for number one purely for that.

1:04:35Jack:And Sandro for like a novelty. Not so much novelty. He was a very, very good player, but also like a good bloke and part of the club's fabric. And seemingly very much on the payroll still. Yeah. But yeah, I agree with you. Let's give Lucas number one. And I would say probably Gomez number two. Yeah, I would agree. Yeah. And cult hero status as well, Gomez, I think. He was a favorite. so three Richarlison's up there Sandro's up there Sandro's had those had that Chelsea goal the United goal I would say actually Sandro for the AC Milan game AC Milan alongside was it Wilson yeah when they were we were down sort of down to the bare bones a little bit and Sandro hadn't played a lot of football for us I think he'd only come in in that January and then like two months later he was playing yeah at the San Siro and he was incredible so yeah I'd put Sandro fourth at third and then you're looking at probably probably Richie and then we're really into the slugs aren't we it's it's disgusting isn't it really we need to pass that point um I guess to keep Billy T happy Emerson Royale fifth yeah yeah uh the picture that was taken of him in the North London Derby the 3-0 when he's holding up the flare yeah yeah we're running low on criteria here but good enough Christ this is this is bad so we got Paulinho Vin what was Vinicius Carlos Vinicius well he scored that goal against Marine and did the Mbappe celebration didn't he he did he did that is bloody that is unreal wasn't it COVID as well so it wasn't even like there was anyone there no there was like the cardboard cutthouse side of the bitch and stuff people's gardens yeah um yeah purely for that I'm putting Vinicius in there oh god then give him sixth um I guess just by default that means Paulinho gets seven I'm loathe to give him anything but I'm yeah I hated Paulinho he could I think he was never suited to the Premier League he was one of those where his I saw him once I tell this all the time people probably who have known me for a long time would be very bored of me telling this story but the first time I ever saw him was Norwich at home I think we won 2-0 and I think Ericsson scored two or he set up two it might have been Ericsson's debut and it was all very exciting but it all obviously went to shit that season Paulinho took a ground pass and not particularly hard ground pass off of a teammate and it just went up his second touch was a header it was so bad of a first touch It literally bounced upwards and he started heading it in an attempt to get it under control.

1:07:27And I kind of knew then that things weren't going to work out for little Paul.

1:07:32Jack:But yeah, fair enough, number seven. Who was it that called him, and this is not my word, somebody called him a black Frank Lampard when we signed him, didn't they? Was that, was it, maybe I'm liable of something. Wasn't it Tim Vickery said something like that? It wasn't. He said something about Paulinho being, yeah, like the Brazilian Lampard or the Samba Lampard, you know, the really lazy shit. I don't think I'm just, I'm pretty sure, I think they literally said like the black Frank Lampard. I'm not, let me just look it up now. If you look that up, that's going to come up with some very odd AI images, I feel.

1:08:05It was Juan Román Raquelme.

1:08:11Jack:Someone like an Argentinian to focus on somebody's race. he's gonna say shouldn't have guessed really sorry sorry Tim Vickery Tim Vickery getting done dirty there absolutely so we are we giving Bellini a seven yeah unfortunately so look I've not seen Souza what did Souza's played what about 10 minutes for us and I'm saying he's better than Gilberto so I agree Souza had a really decent shot against Liverpool when they when he played right wing for half an hour Christ that is straw clutching in it he did a good shot once he did a good shot that time yeah it sounds like he I think the rumours around him are that he wants out already and that to me says he's one of those just like young players from sorry look I'm not trying to sound like a gammon when I say this but a young player from Sonia Climes who has like come to the UK and is like old Rodrigo Defendi is yeah just wanting to get his bag I agree I don't think it was ever really going to work out for him.

1:09:14It feels as if we've done a bit of a viliz with him. Get him in, flip him for a bit of profit. But nonetheless, number eight out of the eighth best Brazilian

1:09:23Jack:to ever play for Spurs. Number eight. And let's see, what did Rodrigo Defendi go on to do? So, Paulinho went on to play for Barcelona, obviously. How the hell that happened? I don't know. Whereas, Rodrigo Defendi went on to... I don't know nothing about him. Well, We loaned him to Roma. So yeah, we loaned him to Roma. They didn't take up the option. And then he went as a free transfer to Avellino, who very soon binned him off. And it seems as though he went back to Brazil for a bit. Then he came over back to Europe, went to Portugal, went back to Brazil, came back to Portugal, then went to China.

1:10:13Jack:then went to russia i mean he's done that he's done the rounds those are the money leagues in a little not like 2010 2011 there was money flying around though there wasn't there big time big time cash money back to portugal for a bit strength and uh yeah so i mean did he ever really did he achieve much in his career let's see what he when was he at spurs what was his what was his break out because he never broke out but what was his era so he came to spurs um from udonese in 2006 not a massive pedigree for center backs at that point at spurs obviously king but he would that was the start of his big injuries and gardner 607 would have been nabit no too late for nabit yeah and gardner ricardo rocha probably yeah not a great era for center backs with spurs Rodrigo Defendi's his medals he's got a Portuguese cup he's got two what's he got so two Portuguese cups one Italian cup one Slovenian champion and a Slovenian cup winner as well so that's what he's got more than I've got mate more than I've got I think let's give it Did he ever, let's see, did he ever play for Spurs?

1:11:38Jack:I think this is the crucial deciding factor. He definitely didn't in the league. Well, then I think by default it has to go to Gilberto then, even if he was absolutely a bit small. Gilberto did score, I think he scored a Europa League goal for us. Did he? I think so. And he definitely scored in the Premier League for us as well, but I can't remember who against. One of them end of season, everyone gets a goal games. Probably against Leicester City then, isn't it? we usually have one of those against them yeah you're correct though seven appearances for Tottenham one goal hmm one goal for Spurs who are we to sniff at that when did he Gilberto played his first full match blah blah blah he when did he his last appearance for Spurs came against Schecter I can't see where he scored a goal no he had he was it was that nightmare wasn't it that he had in the first half on his debut I think that was against against PSV I can't remember who he was against him I believe yeah he got taken off for PSV and was replaced by Jamie O 'Hara yeah so wow wow this is not football heritage do your own do well I hope you enjoyed that patrons if you want to join in the conversation on discord come to patreon.com slash rtlpod where you can get all episodes of Rule the Roost completely ad-free and extra pods and stuff so yeah and as I keep hinting at there's going to be something pretty fun coming up soon that you'll see first on Patreon.

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