REACTION: Liverpool 3-1 Spurs - You can't be annoyed, can you?

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2:36That's it. Spurs are out of the Mr Porky Cup.

2:45It's a shame, isn't it? No Europe. No wins in the Premier League. no goals in the Premier League no more Mr Porky Cup for any international viewers or listeners the ITV coverage was sponsored by a pork scratching which I think I think in the States you call pork rind a pork scratching brand called Mr Porky which is something you sort of generally find in pubs

3:23i don't know don't know what sort of animals buy those and take them home we've got mr porky's in the cupboard love you know sort of a demon does that um spurs are out spurs are out no scratchings for tottenham um it was it was worryingly bad until it wasn't i thought and I know people are going to talk about rotation they're going to talk about like you know the average age or whatever not the age so much but more just like it being a B team which wasn't really for Spurs it was more for Liverpool than it was for Tottenham I felt like for large parts of the game we weren't offering much at all it felt like the players just had zero kind of confidence or belief that they could get anything at Anfield and it's kind of strange that it's like it's like a wider problem at Tottenham why we as a fan base as a club whoever the staff are whoever the players are whatever always seem to just see winning Anfield, Stamford Bridge, the Emirates as like an insurmountable task.

4:54It's just something we don't do. And I think that plays out a lot. I think that is kind of echoed in our sort of approach to these games a lot of the time. But Liverpool went 2-0 up. We made a few changes. I've got to say my head was slightly on Mars when Robertson Robbo came on at 2-0 up and he's kind of getting that standing ovation from Liverpool fans it was all very what was it 65th minute 70th minute around that sort of point it was all very Pat Tottenham on the head it was all very Pat Tottenham on the head and yeah I was I was kind of questioning that as a as a decision um it was probably one more made with a doggy's fitness and whatever in mind um but Robertson was actually really good when he came on he was really good um I thought he was making you know really meaningful runs his deliveries were consistently good it my perhaps my my largely unfounded kind of worry that he was gonna he was gonna come onto the pitch and somehow not really want to take it to Liverpool his beloved Liverpool if you like or exactly that it was an unfounded fear um because it felt like it was it was one of those where he you know you'd probably you'd probably twist it if you wanted to justify it to say he wanted to show the team he loves the ultimate respect by playing to his best against them kind of thing um when really you know you don't know there might even be a bit of him that's thinking i'll show you lot for letting me go i've there's still something here there's still fight left in the old dog if you like um everyone goes on about him being old he's like 31 isn't he you know like it doesn't that doesn't say much for uh for me actually um it's worrying it's worrying how quickly that happens how footballers go from being like someone you look at as like these guys could all be my dad to these guys could all be my big brother to these guys are all like my age to these guys are all my little brother and now a lot of the time is these kids could be my son it's really it's it's it's it's bizarre and it's really worrying how quickly it happens um but that's the side point that's the side point uh andy robertson could andy robertson be my son no not really i'd have to be i'd have to be a bit of a wrong and i think you know all due respect to anyone that's had a kid at nine ten years old to uh yeah to to sire Andy Robertson if you like um so I think he's still in I think he's still in little brother territory maybe maybe cousin something like that right but I don't I don't really there's no real need for me to make this sort of familial tie to Andy Robertson after all I'm simply talking about the sort of impact he had when he came on the pitch for Tottenham Hotspur.

8:21And I've only gone and sidetracked myself there, haven't I? What am I like?

8:29Spurs, yeah, Spurs started to look really good, didn't we? We started to look really good. We got the goal from a set piece, from a set piece, no less. Connor, useless, expletive, deleted, Gallagher. scored a header he's almost looked kind of embarrassed he almost looked sort of like he you know i don't know he's not very happy does he i would say i mean to be fair he probably only needs to go on social media for about a millisecond to probably be rather unhappy right as a um as a yeah as a human being right and see the way people talk about him i think i don't know if anyone if anyone ever remembers uh i'm sure a few people my age will there was an old sort of political satire called the thick of it um armando ianucci in the uk a few years ago and one of the one of the characters on that said uh it was a you know it's a politician it's all based in like westminster and everything like that and one of the politicians said uh have you ever googled yourself and i think the person i was talking to was like no why and he said because it's basically like walking into a room where everyone tells you how shit you are um which is that's just quite funny isn't it um so that's probably sort of the lived experience for conor gallagher right now you know it's you know it's nice i think he's got a kid on the way he's got a nice dog he seems like he's having a nice life you know he's and you know he's likely a millionaire so you know i just do a two bob two bob podcast for a few people and i i get plenty of abuse online you know i mean justice for podcasters that's what i say um especially marino era ang era do you know i mean if you did if you didn't stay if you didn't stay on script in those two eras i mean some of the stuff some of the stuff you'd get would be uh be pretty wild would be pretty wild but But we're not there anymore, are we?

10:36We're not there. Tottenham are not there, for better or worse. I'm sort of skirting around this. I'm doing a lot of the kind of like, ho, ho, ho, how can I add some levity to this one?

10:58It's another game where I've left sort of not really knowing what Spurs are. I would say in the first sort of part of that game, right, before we actually started to look all right, I was starting to get a bit worried. And I think I have been getting a bit worried about Spurs. Despite the fact, and I'm not going back on this, despite the fact, you know, Green shoots against Forest, Green shoots against Everton, despite the lack of goals, you know, and I know the narrative was always going to be Tottenham aren't scoring goals. This is terrible and everything. But, you know, I think if you are not even trying to like, just like, you know, bright side it, those were, they were good performances.

11:50Spurs looked solid, they looked organized, all that type of thing, right? But there's still that bit of me that's like, and this is the, you know, the big question right now. The 350 million pound question, isn't it? Is where are the goals coming from? Before the season even kicks off, soccer fans are already making predictions. Who wins the league? Who qualifies for Europe? And who's lifting the trophy at season's end? On Calci, America's number one prediction market platform, you're trading against peers in a live market, meaning there's no house. And as the probability changes, you can buy in and out of your position.

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14:08We simply have to score goals. And there's a lot of talk about Spurs clicking. People saying that, like, look, we're close to getting there and when it does sort of click, when we do gel, everything's going to be A-OK. I'll be brutally honest, I'm not entirely sure how much I buy that because I don't necessarily, and this is kind of a positive and it's kind of a negative, and thus we come back to the sort of weird place that Tottenham are in, is I don't exactly think that Spurs look unclicked. I don't think we look un-gelled. I think there's a fair amount of cohesion to what Tottenham are doing.

14:58I think Deserby has given us some sort of identity. I do think we look largely more solid. I mean, that wasn't really the case today, but it was a largely rotated team, especially in defence, all that type of thing, right? The big problem seems to be, quite simply, Tottenham scoring goals. Tottenham having somebody that can provide exceptional killer opportunities for anybody who's in an advanced position. It feels like we do everything right for the most part until the kind of, what would you call it, pre-assist? Do you know what I mean? That's kind of where it all sort of starts to fall down a bit.

15:54and i guess like my my sort of my gut feeling there is it's more of a personnel issue because i was talking to baker about this the other day quite a bit right we were sort of trying to get to the bottom of is this a deserve issues a system issue is it a club issue is it you know what is what is going on i kind of do personally think it's it is a personnel thing um i think my Almoosh looks really good, but he looks good when he's sort of cutting in from the wing. He had that lovely, lovely little sort of, you know, dart into the Liverpool box that was, it was an unbelievable save in the end by Mum, sorry, I can't pronounce his name, the Liverpool keeper.

16:41I'm not going to butcher that. I'm not going to, I would rather admit, I'd rather be a big enough man to say, yes, I can't pronounce that person's name as opposed to butchering it like, you know, David Pleat or Jamie Redknapp, who still says Kukucheski or whatever. Do you know what I mean? How is it that difficult?

17:05Great save. So I do like Malmouche in that position. um the all you know conversations about Dominic Solanke will continue to be had no doubt and the Richarlison thing is yeah you know is a is a is an interesting one right um I've sort of spoken about Richarlison quite a bit on here I've spoken about like you know how tired i am of his antics of the childish sort of posting and he's continued doing that and i still find it pretty ridiculous to be honest i find it pretty basic and just childish but at the same time you know deserve he keeps calling him out publicly over and over and over and over again and it's just kind of like let's can we all just get past this um because like what yeah how is this going to continue for the rest of the season or what until Richarlison goes if he goes in January or I don't know and again kind of like I sort of said with Danso it just you know begs the question for me couldn't this have been resolved in a better fashion if we weren't going to be replacing Richarlison Richarlison who you know for all his flaws has scored goals for Tottenham and some fairly important goals down last season if we're not going to replace those goals and these are these are sort of the same conversations we had when Kane left when Sonny left like it's all well and good to let these players go but football is quite straightforward it's like Yeah, you're never going to find a player that scores as many goals as Harry Kane, right?

18:51Unless you sign Erling Haaland, which Tottenham aren't going to do. But you have to try and mitigate that somehow. You have to try and see how you can score goals. Even if it's two players or if it's three players, right? Who is going to be scoring those goals that are leaving the team? and it just it just feels like things like that are just such a weirdly like basic oversight from people who are paid so much money to run a football club it just seems so it seems so mental to me that we would allow this Richarlison sort of situation to snowball in the fashion that it has without any sort of idea of how we are gonna you know

19:44make up for that make up for his lack of presence his lack of goals in the team um and this is kind of this is the sort of stuff i've spoken about a bit you know when i've gone on about modric or whatever is that there has been plenty to be happy about this summer and i have been very encouraged by a lot of the business that Tottenham have done the way they've gone about doing their business so you know this isn't a complete assassination of the people running the club as I've maybe done in previous seasons but it still shows that there is an element of bad decision making an element of kind of rushed or chaotic thinking that goes on behind the scenes at Spurs which has no doubt contributed to the sort of issues we had last year the year before whenever and in the in the past few years really um but who knows you know i maybe we get the three points against villa which is at this point is pretty crucial in my opinion like it's a it's a must win game it is a must it's i'm sorry it's a must win game aston villa already at this point in the season um and people people can call that ridiculous all they want but you know the scars of last season run deep um and if you think if you think Tottenham are above any point whatsoever regardless of when it comes in the season like you haven't been paying attention ultimately you haven't been paying attention to the ultra competitive nature of the Premier League um and yeah I just I think it's I think it's stupid I think it's a nothing to say that like it's not must win at this point in the season of course it is Aston Villa aren't going to stay this bad for an entire season and we're still going to have to play them away um you know we've got to capitalize now we have to capitalize now in just that that raw sense like um we need uh we need the points and we also just need a lift we need a lift going into the international break how how many how many tons have said that down years ahead of the international break we need some points we always know what happens don't you how many times it's the same stuff over and over again we've lost at anfield again was it 14 15 years now it's pathetic

22:17you know we did we had a we had a spell of playing pretty well in this game and so Bozly's goal was an absolute screamer you know the the sort of the the goal that clinched the game was unbelievable um I'm just you know like I can't I can't escape the feeling that as much as I have optimism for Spurs I'm also worried I do have that bit of worry in me that like we're not as guaranteed to pull away from this dangerous part of the table as I think many people think we definitely are and I don't think that's entirely a reflection on Tottenham and I think that's entirely a kind of like a statement that indicates I think that Tottenham are actively bad it's more just a concern that again as I continue saying the quality in the Premier League is pretty good across the board you know Leeds smashed up Newcastle last night right and Newcastle did us 2-0 but Newcastle looked abject last night and these sort of comparisons you know comparisons in that way this team beat that team and we lost to this team and whatever you know it means nothing at the end of the day we beat man city all the time and man city will still go and win the league yeah more often than not so there is only so much you can draw from those type of things i'm just simply making the point that like the premier league is decent hull hull look good sunderland are really good you know these these and the point is like these are the sort of teams that like for the most part for the most part at least for the last decade and however long decade and change right spurs have had games like that as four to six point bankers really um are they anymore i don't know i don't think so

24:50but this was the carabao cup this is not the premier league this is a rotated tottenham team more of these big wider conversational points should be had out the back of the aston villa game it might be a tedious and you know well trodden thing to say but we're playing Liverpool at Anfield it's not a happy hunting ground for Tottenham classically speaking

25:20we did all right for a bit we got a goal we got a goal from a set piece you know

25:32Equally, I'm not going to sit here and like, you know, people have been, you know what I'm going to say? Like people have been very touchy this season already so far. I think I've gotten the most pushback and it's only a few games gone. I've gotten the most, you know what I mean? I wasn't even doing half of them. I've been, I've had my throat all chopped up and everything. But people have been giving it like pushback this year. Why have you said that? Why is your opinion this? Why are you so negative? it's like well because we've had two seasons in a row where we finished 17th we nearly got relegated last year and we started this season not winning any games and not scoring any goals like i'm not just gonna sit here and be like everything is fine everything is fine it'll all be fine when it clicks when we suddenly have a player that can suddenly hold up the ball and score goals and win aerial duels in the opposition box like you know that player isn't going to just suddenly exist right we're going to need to find new solutions for that and hopefully Roberto Deserbi does you know he's paid a lot of money and you know I do have faith in his ability to be able to do that but it's not a given I can only comment on what I see what is in front of me right now right and what's in front of me right now is not particularly that good um but as i continue to say it's not that bad either it's it's just kind of weird isn't it it's kind of weird let's see what some of you are saying in the comments um isle of lily white says i am annoyed very annoyed absolutely nailed on for a last minute equalizer then they score a goal that will likely be goal of the season already this only happens to us what's the point um and then says thanks as ever jack relying on you to make me feel better about supporting the team that it seems has it scripted to always lose in the end well thank you for tuning in isle of lily white um i appreciate that mate and i mean this is like this is the sort of point i'm trying to make right like it's i'm not trying to sit here and i'm not trying to be like uber negative i'm not trying to like you know be like the sky is falling it's all terrible get rid of deservey scream and shout into my camera so Arsenal fans can come and laugh and I get more views because people are laughing at the top of the meltdown and all that type of thing like you know I'm not going to do that type of thing or very big of me I know but like you know it's not it's not it's not what I'm trying to do here but I try to be as like earnest and as authentic and as like true to myself as I can be on here.

28:39And with that in mind, like I'm not going to gaslight people. I'm not in the business of psyops here, right? I'm not going to say it's all good. I'm not going to say it's all perfect because there's stuff to work on. Every game day, you show up for your team. Now it's your time. We go V! We go V! Ask your prescriber about We Go V, semaglutide injection 2.4 milligrams a glp1 call 1-833-4-WEGOV or visit wegovi.com to view the medication guide and to learn more about wegovi why wait we go propel fitness water with gatorade electrolytes zero sugar and vitamins propel hydrates better than water to help you get the most out of your workout and get back to your best self What propels you?

29:33Propel with Gatorade Electrolytes. How do you guarantee your Jägermeister is always ice cold? Well, you could move to Antarctica. Sure, frostbite is a thing. Your dating apps won't let you set your radius to 3 ,000 miles. And your neighbor is an emperor penguin who honks outside your igloo. Or you could just keep your Jägermeister in the freezer. Drink it cold or don't drink it at all. Jägermeister. Damn, that's cold. Drink responsibly. Jägermeister liqueur 35 % alcohol by volume imported by Matt Jägermeister US White Plains New York and also on top of that on top of the thing to work on is the fact that Spurs do always seem to get pretty bad luck don't they you know it's just Peter Turner says it's becoming oh so predictable isn't it it doesn't matter what good work we do as we've built this squad up of players that don't ever make the right decision the lack of footballing intelligence um Gallagher might just be the most meh player we've ever had tell again makes the wrong decision near enough every time I mean the funny thing is Pete and I'm not you know I'm not having a pop or anything I don't I don't actually feel as like downbeat as that like you know um I do feel like you know i'm more i don't even know if positive or optimistic that how i would frame it i just kind of feel like

31:10i feel like we're all right but i just feel like we're seriously lacking like i just i just think the oversight i think the oversight on cover for poro and just somebody else that can play up top is just is wild as i continue to say from people who are paid a hell of a lot of money to build football teams right it's just mental it's mental that like we're sort of in this position i don't know um 10m scally says we'll be fine jack underhill 4444 says pro we scored a goal con i never want to see the scorer play for us again jkr infinite says i feel so embarrassed for mamouche to go from winning trophies with city to playing for us and getting no service tell cannot start again kudush should stay injured um i mean that's a bit harsh i uh tell probably yeah you know tell needs a bit more time to kind of yeah a few more sort of substitute appearances as opposed to starting um could is i you know i i don't know about the stay injured thing like i think part of the problem is that he's not you fully recovered from his injury, right?

32:36And that's kind of how I sort of feel about it with him. I've seen a few people, you know, I saw a few takes on like Twitter and stuff like that where people were saying like, God, it's so refreshing having Kiddos back and stuff. I kind of feel like I was watching a different player. I thought he was actively quite bad today, Kiddos. Wasn't really taking on his man. I didn't really see much of sort of merit from what it was that he was doing. Just kind of a bit weird, you know. Yeah, you know, I'm not fully sort of on board with the fact that he's kind of really bringing an awful lot to the table right now.

33:29I thought he looked all right when he came on against Forrest. that little sort of cameo he had at the end of I mean what was it 20 minutes or so I'm not sure he's back to his very best yet yeah I didn't I wasn't I wasn't really feeling it Big Y says losing things to still love about this club it's so soul destroying being associated with it um it's so hard to not be constantly pessimistic about everything that we do yeah i mean people yeah people are sort of feeling a bit like sad today i think hacker cps says rdz has the tactical iq of a strawberry

34:14ed chet says mr loader sit us tonight it will click mr stephen stotch says it's russell martin football how many times did a player make a run instead of playing him uh in we just turned and played a simple pass backwards i think he values possession over goals um matthew sippler says i didn't even want to win the cup mask over crying face emoji um doesn't matter the the manager our approach never changes

34:52Vincent McCormack says there were some positive signs but it's very frustrating again we can't seem to make the right choice in the attacking third yeah yeah I think that's fair Jack Huntley says I feel like the only positive fan at the moment we've come from two seasons of finishing 17th what did we all expect the football is a million miles better than it has been compared to those seasons i i sort of it was one of those i think you had me in the first half and lost me a bit in the second half there jack i would say like uh i do agree with the whole sort of sentiment that we have finished 17th twice in a row and there's probably is a bit more perspective required there in terms of what we expected and what we thought we might do this year.

35:50I don't know if it looks a million miles better than the last couple of years. So right now, I think there's some encouraging signs in an organisational sense, as I keep saying. I sound like some sort of like stationary company auditor, don't I? there's some encouraging signs in

36:17but yeah it's still kind of annoying in the same way I find though mate you know like we're quite good but we're also not you know it's just yeah

36:37Jack Huntley does follow up by saying in saying that that was a winnable game and it's a shame that we didn't win it so I'm still disappointed but actually enjoying watching us again which is something yeah that's fair enough mate James Nicholson says I'm getting seriously bored with losing routinely we are playing too safe and need players to play progressive through balls so many missed opportunities in the first half the villa game is big 320 music vb says we have to act in january yep james reed says we need to talk about matty's tale

37:18i think people are talking about matty's tale a lot to be fair mate um um matter jack says we did well gave him a good game yep i think that's fair

37:35nantius says uh the point made by you and baker on the last pod was spot on we need to score early to bring sides out and take our chances when we get them yeah

37:48James Forster says I feel like we are missing a main man a talisman that inspires everyone on the pitch yeah do you know what I mean it's that same thing isn't it it's the star player thing there's all sort of banging on about before where's the Jinnler, the Klinsman, the Sherrynhem the Kane, the Son, the Berbatov, the Keane you know we just we haven't got them the Vandervaar sessions ever at all that you know um

38:20zeros and one says i'm tired robbie simple currency one-on-one lots of chaos players but no composure marmouche savinho tell could is total chaos almost headless chicken sometimes the one who does have a bit of composure is solanke and he's not reliable ball.