REACTION: Spurs 1-2 Liverpool - We Can't Keep Losing!

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1:36Good morning, good morning everyone

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1:43Jack:Didn't record on the final whistle yesterday because As at my parents was my mum's birthday actually so you know before you start saying Why haven't you done it on the final whistle? All right, I've got a life as well, you know, I have a life I have a family alright

2:02Jack:truth be told I was going to do one when I got home but I was actually in a foul mood I was in a really I was in a bad mood it's not like we've not seen us lose to Liverpool before don't get me wrong I think there were some sort of positives to be had from it maybe at the same time just felt a bit and still feel a little bit emotionally spent i was talking about this in the preview um patreon.com slash rtr pod and on there i was saying i'm really sort of seeking to try and be a bit more objective um when i do these kind of pods when i do the previews when i do the after game ones because i do appreciate the fact that perhaps sometimes my perspective is a bit sullied by this intrusive thought that I keep having at the moment that Spurs are like doomed that we're in like this this this death cycle and I don't think it's an entirely irrational thing to feel um if I'm you know if I'm speaking of myself because I don't want to say I'm irrational but you know I'm saying I don't think it's entirely irrational to feel that Spurs's direction has been downward for the past few years that we've lacked a sense of real cohesion in the respect that we don't seem to have a clear plan going forwards our managerial appointments would indicate that the way in which we conduct transfers would indicate that so it does feel like things have sort of come to a bit of a head at Spurs I think the step on from this I think the step on that is perhaps plaguing my thinking quite a bit of the time is this is going to and I say this is an intrusive thought don't get me wrong but this is going to end up in us getting relegated or something like that um people can debate I've chatted to various people some people will say I feel you other people are saying to me zero percent chance Tottenham get relegated I'll leave that to you know that's not for me to tell you how to feel but so back to the original point is I just felt I felt a little bit emotional emotionally spent after yesterday's game I did a tweet to the effect of just being like you know what I think this is the most dislikable Spurs team I've seen in my entire life I honestly think there's maybe two or three players from this team that I wouldn't want to lose the rest can go and blah blah blah blah blah do you know I mean just totally just like lashing out at them um and I just sort of you know I've deleted it today because I thought I can't be bothered for that I can't be bothered for moaning in that way um it's definitely an emotional reaction but yeah you know I just I just sort of I wanted to sort of gather my thoughts a little more as opposed to trying to force out one of these last night when it was going to be later anyway it wasn't going to be on the final whistle um it was going to be later I was a bit tired as I say I just felt a bit spent and I didn't just want to sit there for a period of time being like that was awful this was terrible I don't like this player I don't like that player I thought that was stupid by Simmons or Romero or whatever um it may end up going that way who knows we'll see but uh But yeah, I think my sort of dust settled reaction was that it was nice to see the team, even with nine men and even respective of the whole kind of, why couldn't they have done that from the start of the game?

5:49Jack:It was nice to see the players at least rouse towards the end. It actually looked like, funnily enough, it looked like we had Liverpool rattled. towards the end so that was quite that that was a positive um I think one of my I'll say one of the things I'm most frustrated about with that was it's kind of it's kind of double-edged I'm annoyed because and I'm not saying this is a cheap shot they beat us they've beaten us again they always beat us I get that but that Liverpool this Liverpool side aren't good. I was watching that yesterday and I was thinking, God, how far this fixture has fallen. When I think about the sort of games that we witnessed between Spurs and Liverpool, those hotly contested matches, Pochettino versus Klopp for the most part, and how far both of them have fallen.

6:48Jack:I mean, Liverpool won the league last year, so fair enough. They're going through this grieving process of Diogo Jota. It's not for me to say whether or not they are. That's what they say is happening. So we'll take them on their word for that.

7:06Jack:And, but they still, I don't know, they still, it's not really going for them at the moment, is it? I would say. And I was watching them yesterday thinking these, they look as beatable as I've seen them in a really long time. In a really long time, you know, since they sort of started to get their acts together. When you think about when they went through them, Basically, when they got that Ian Graham guy in, that's when their fortunes changed, isn't it? Midway through Brendan Rodgers' tenure, things started to look up for Liverpool Football Club and they haven't looked back. But I did feel like that Liverpool team was really beatable.

7:46Jack:I'm frustrated because it's, again, it's another loss at home. It's another loss in general. if I just read out I don't know I'm sure this has been seen let me just find it it's our run of results so Tottenham's last eight Premier League fixtures the graphic is doing the rounds but when you actually stop to sort of look at it you know it's loss draw, loss, loss, draw or win against Brentford at home, loss, loss. I think the sort of us showing up and getting beaten stuff has become weirdly normalized. And this is something this is a bleed through from last year, I feel. I'm not blaming Poster Cogler entirely for this.

8:48Jack:But I do think he fanned the flames of it. the fact that a lot of the conversation is

8:57Jack:from the Mickey Van Der Ven interview and the sort of stuff that people say is that he threw the league and all that type of stuff I think there has been a sort of a sense of normalcy applied to Spurs losing matches and I think that's bled over into this game into this season to a degree but this isn't an Ange Postacoglu versus Thomas Frank thing. I find that, honestly, I find that whole thing, frankly, quite tedious. People are well within their rights to be frustrated. People who, you know, loved Ange Postacoglu to see him go, fine. I don't think we need every single match a comparison between the two of them.

9:36Jack:Ange's gone. He's not the manager anymore. You know, fine. Will Thomas Frank be able to do a job? That remains to be seen. It looks less likely by the day. but ultimately it all bleeds back to the ownership I went on Anfield Index a lad called Harry he hosted me on there to just sort of talk about Spurs obviously Anfield Index obviously a Liverpool podcast and I was probably I had the hump that day so it probably wasn't the most uplifting listen But, you know, my point there was ultimately that all roads lead back to the people that have run the club. The Spurs have, you know, as I was sort of saying at the top, I think we've arrived at a place now where we're at the kind of the head of what has been festering.

10:35The boil that has been sort of maturing over the past few seasons, really, has come to a head.

10:43Jack:and now is the time to change it. Good pal of mine, Adam, he tweeted yesterday from the darts. I'm not sure if he was there or if it was just a video that had been shared from the darts. Sorry. But it was, again, it was the whole everyone at Alley Pally singing Tottenham get battered everywhere they go. And it's kind of a meme, isn't it? It's kind of a joke. But at the same time, that sort of thing, Spurs-y, just the way Spurs are spoken about in general. Look at the lead up to the Europa League final. It was all Tottenham don't win games like this. I mean, it's just it's based on nothing, really.

11:23Jack:Yeah, it's based on a sense of recency. But historically speaking, Spurs have always won stuff. And I think that's been the frustration for us when you hear Gary Neville or somebody like that going on about Tottenham don't win these type of games. We've won the UEFA Cup twice before. We've won it three times now. But at that point, we'd won it twice before, you know? Until, again, until sort of like the modern era, we were the team that had won the FA Cup the most of our times. First team in the last century to win the double. All this time, yeah, I get it. I know you won the league in black and white, all this type of stuff.

11:54Jack:But just the way in which these sort of myths are perpetuated that Spurs don't win Spur stuff. Spurs aren't the type of club that can win a final. We always have been. and that changed when Enoch, Daniel Levy and everyone took over, didn't they? And I appreciate this stuff is all a bit of a broken record I know this is the same, it's a variation on the same theme that has played out over the past few years, but I think it gets more and more profound the effect of the mismanagement gets more and more profound the further we go on This isn't entirely a reflection on Spurs losing a game to Liverpool, Spurs lose games to Liverpool, this is what happens but what I'm talking about is this this greater picture that we are we are a part of right now where Spurs continue to lose games and as I say a lot of people I speak to a lot of people I see just posting just in an anecdotal sense when I look on Twitter Instagram anything Facebook you see people talking about them just feeling so emotionally detached from the club um there's a really good point um somebody on the discord said to me um sorry let me i want to dig it out because i want to see the the point that you made and i want to attribute it it's taking ages to load um so one of the patrons on discord said as well what's what they find quite sad about spurs right now and this this really hit home for me because I feel this they were saying that like as bad as spurs have always been there's always been this like cheeky little bit of hope in the back of their heads where it's like yeah we're useless but we might still do something with spurs at the end of the day and we'll show them all and he was just saying that that little bit of hope that hopeful little voice has kind of gone a bit and I do I do kind of feel that like I do kind of feel that I I feel that like, to some degrees, I feel that like Bilbao was the ripple of, you know, all of it.

14:03Jack:Sonny was like the sort of the, you know, the dying star, if you like. Sonny was like the last bit of that joyful sort of period we had under Maurizio Pochettino and the various sort of little highs we've had after that point. but seeing that team slowly slowly fade out but Sonny being the one there to stay get his hands on a trophy it was like the ultimate echo of glory wasn't it that's the thing but it's like when you think about those sort of the the highs of you know getting to a champions league final that summer navigating the champions league competition and the sort of years that had come prior to that 16, 17, the last year at White Hart Lane, all that type of stuff.

14:51Jack:It felt like it was only ever going to get better from there. And as I sort of say, we didn't capitalize on that and we haven't done. And look, I sort of appreciate now it's going down a sort of doom mongering route. And that's not what I want to do. What I want to do is sort of try at least, try at least grasp onto some, some might call it naive but at least a sense of hope that the lewis family enic still but they are going to change their tune they are going to change the way they do things um there's been a you know some trust me bro itk type stuff during the week that has been talking about the way in which daniel levy structured deals the way in which daniel levy structured loans and you know just wrapped up within these loans was an inherent sense that spurs would not be able to compete on at a certain level on the pitch there would be caps on spending for wages for transfers all that type of thing because we borrowed money in a way that you know suggested that we would do that by all accounts this peter charrington who the lewis family work with i think i literally think he is like Joe Lewis's personal money dude whatever you know like don't ask me about this I'll get Levy Nomics back on and he can explain it better um but whatever Peter Charrington is apparently on the case of restructuring a lot of these loans restructuring a lot of these deals look this could all be nonsense but if it's not then maybe that does spell sort of good news to Spurs I know there was a bit of dejection this week that Spurs have pulled out of the race for Anton Semenyo.

16:37Jack:You know, it seems to be that his heart is set on going to Manchester City or to Liverpool. Manchester United, I think, are floating around in the conversation. And I know a lot of people, and I don't completely discount this, I know a lot of people took the Anton Semenyo thing as, this is typical Spurs, look at us, you know, we're not putting up a fight, we're blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Do you know what I mean? That type of thing. I don't really take it that way I think it's kind of smarter to be like right the lad doesn't fancy us at the moment then we don't want him you know we're gonna we're gonna exit these conversations we want people that are gonna come here look look at Xavi Siemens right would he have joined us in January given how we're playing right now I don't know who who knows like we can only speculate about that but at least Xavi Siemens he was saying in those little like interviews and things that he was doing recently he wanted to join Spurs he was excited about the project Mickey van der Ven before he you know on his Gary Neville interview before he joined was saying you know he had his mates being like oh you can't join Tottenham and that in itself is a problem right when we're talking about the ownership needing to reverse the image of the club that type of thing it shows you that it does have an impact it's not just a load of like you know West Ham fans coked up at the darts singing Tottenham get battered everywhere they go that that stuff clearly has a bleed through do you know what I mean when you've actually got a player who's going to sign for us and his mates are saying to him don't sign for them because they don't win anything that is a problem you know that that is a problem that's reflective of the club but Mickey Van De Ven fought through that you know he said no no I I don't I want to go there I want to go there I'm gonna win something with them and he did we want players like that we want players that want to come here right as well if let's let's just be honest about it like if you had the chance to come to spurs or to go to manchester city or liverpool if you had no affiliation to spurs he's actually a gooner as well that's the thing and a loud and proud one too as well i'm pretty sure then of course he's going to go there you know what what is more damaging what is more damaging for the club, in my opinion, is things like the Ezzer deal in summer, where we're hanging around, there's this big protracted sort of nonsense around the deal that, are we going to make a bid?

18:59Jack:Are we not? Are we calling on him? Are we not? We've had a conversation with Parrish, he's had a conversation with him. We don't want all that noise. We've got him for Semenya, we've identified him as, you know, he's clearly, he's one of the better players, he's one of the better players in his position in the Premier League, at least in a performance basis. I know a lot of the stats nerds aren't that hot on him but I think in an eye test sense anyway he seems a good player he seems like a sound investment for a team that wants a pretty explosive you know high impact physical technically sound winger who can score goals we've identified him as someone that we wanted to add to the team we've made an approach we've obviously gotten noises from him or his camp that he's not interested in us and we move on.

19:46Jack:And I think that's good. I think that's good that Spurs are doing that. But that doesn't mean we should give up there. That means, you know, there's some talk that we're after. Akliush, the lad from Monaco, who looks very, very talented. I think we were linked to him a lot in summer. Who knows? Like, I don't know. Ruben Neves is another name that's been thrown into the mix.

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22:05Jack:like and I've spoken about it on here I don't really like the sort of discussions that we have around Gray or whoever like that is he good enough is he not he's a teenager like we're we're we're making judgments on on a lad that had Manchester City signed Archie Gray he'd be getting piecemeal appearances here and there right he wouldn't be he wouldn't be chucked into the first team right now he would be slowly slowly slowly sort of fed into the team piece by piece but Spurs don't do that because we don't invest in the first, well, at least we haven't to this point, haven't invested in the first team sufficiently.

22:39Jack:So we're chucking these young players. We're giving them this baptism of fire. And then we're drawing conclusions about them or their quality based off of the fact that they're a teenager that's been played way too early and been given far too much responsibility. That's a failing again on the club. That's not a personnel issue. Because when you start to say, Bergvall's no good, Gray's no good, Tell's no good, Odder Bear's no good, I don't really buy that. I don't really buy that, you know, four very promising young players are all no good. Again, well, you know, the context of it all is always Tottenham.

23:14Jack:The context of it all is always how do we perform as a team? How do we perform as a club? And more often than not, the answer to that is poorly. So, look.

23:29Jack:I'm trying to drink away from the mic there. Apologies.

23:34Jack:maybe Enoch Lewis family, they are going to change that though. Maybe they are. I think there are certain indications that they are going to. I think the Xavi Seamans deal in itself probably is an indication, even though it was back in the summer, even though Levy was still there, still sort of clinging on at that point. There was still an indication there that they are maybe going to do things a bit differently.

24:00Jack:I suppose this is a fine time to talk about Xavi Seamans from yesterday. the red card. Now, I'm, I, if I'm brutally honest, I've already been told on Twitter that I don't understand football. Okay, fine. Fair enough. I don't, I don't see the consternation. I don't, I don't get what we're going on about. I don't, it's, it's a clear as day red. I get the whole, like, yeah, it's one of those tackles that looks worse when it's slowed down and all that type of thing. It was clumsy. It was late. His studs are high. that's not a VAR thing I think a referee in any era if they've got a clear view on that gives that as a red card and I yes I totally appreciate that there's inconsistencies in the way in which VAR is implemented because there's a compilation of the many times a player has done a similar challenge on Tottenham Hotspur on a Tottenham Hotspur player and not being you know red carded or probably even yellow carded for it and I get that that's frustrating and I get that the inconsistency in refereeing and officiating in the Premier League is very very frustrating but I'm not I'm going to be brutally honest I'm not going to lose a lot of energy claiming that that Xavi Siemens tackle foul is not something that I've seen a red card given for you know it ripped through Virgil van Dijk's socks.

25:22Jack:I think it broke his skin from the sort of bit I could see on Sky Sports when they were showing it. You know, it was reckless. It was late. It was silly. It was silly. He didn't, you know, it was. I don't, you know, I'm not going to deny that. And I think it was. And, you know, it's frustrating. It was frustrating to see him go. But again, he's come out. He's owned up to it. He's held his hands up. He's apologised. That's fine. You know, we get on with it. I'm not, you know, I'm more going to use that as something to hold against him to say like, God, that's so stupid. If anything, honestly, if anything, whether it's reckless, whether it's stupid, late, this or that.

26:00Jack:Yep, heat at the moment. There's a frustration with that. But also, bigger picture, I like to see that we've still got a player that's wanting to get stuck in. That's wanting to fight for every ball. Isn't that what we've wanted for ages? I don't know. You know, I don't know. I think, you know, I just, it's what it is. You know, it is what it is. He got red cards and it's done. Christian Romero, I'm probably a bit less apologetic for. In a way that, you know, I'm saying now I quite like that there's some fight there with Xavi Siemens and all that type of thing. It was reckless. It was a bit late.

26:43Jack:You know, it's sort of one of those instances where it gets given. sometimes it gets given it doesn't get given at other times christian romero's is just again it's like a moment of madness it's irritating because he's now the club captain and he's on a yellow card the first yellow card was nonsense i get that but then he's lashing out off the ball right in front of the referee it's just i don't know and I get it you know I get that he's a he's a fiery character right you know he's got the Caliente the Argentinian fiery blood running through his veins all that type of stuff but like come on man like you know you are a club captain but you can't just I'll tell you one thing I've got to say now I'm saying this one thing that really irritates me about it is is like Gary Neville in particular has a real bee in his bonnet with Christian Romero.

27:42Jack:He does. Gary Neville is always, oh, he's been very naughty there. Oh, he's been a naughty boy there. Always, every time, oh, I think he's going to be lucky there. Always, right, always. He played under Roy Keane for years. Roy Keane, yeah, well, you shouldn't be acting this way. Roy Keane was a filthy, dirty, disgusting player on the football pitch. Disgusting. like absolutely disgraceful whatever you think about what he did to harlan's father was disgusting it's absolute thuggery like and it goes beyond just being like a you know a roughhousing footballer like it's thuggery it's almost like sociopathic thuggery right yet he was held up on such a pedestal of being this mighty warrior on the football pitch for alex ferguson all that type of thing you know it's a man that was so unable to keep his emotions in check that he abandoned his country at a world cup you know because he fell out with a manager and i i've got i've got a certain level of affection for roy keen to be honest now in his latter days and all that type of thing and i i don't say this stuff in a pearl clutchy way i don't really say this stuff in the respect that like you know oh how terrible of him to to i mean the harlem thing was disgraceful to be honest but just his general sort of play how rough he was how in everyone's face he was you know fine you know he's a captain of one of the most successful premier league teams football teams of all time what irritates me is like this revisionism around christian romero oh oh won't you think of the children oh you know look at look at how nasty he is all the time he's he's not he's not remotely as nasty as somebody like roy keen was back in the day like i say this roy keen that's held up i think as a spurs fan yes he's a club captain and i do i I do have real frustrations of his petulance.

29:36Jack:Like yesterday was, it was so stupid from him. It was so stupid. We're so completely needless, but you know, maybe it's that, it's that fire in him that makes him the good player that he is. You know, I know I get it. It's probably making excuses for him. It's making excuses for doing stuff like that. Stupid stuff like that stuff that, you know, you would not really want your club captain to be doing, to be leading by a certain example. But also, again, maybe we need to take a step back from it all. Maybe that's exactly what we need. From everything I've been talking about at the top, the lack of fight, the lack of application from a lot of these players, maybe a lot of them need to see their captain fighting for stuff.

30:22Jack:I mean, that's not really fighting, though. Sorry, I'm going to check myself there because I still think it was silly. I still think it was petulant. I don't think that was like Christian Romero giving a great example of anything. I think it was stupid. It was a moment of madness from him and it's something he needs to get out of his game, really. But as I say, the atmosphere that's created around Christian Romero still irritates me. I don't like the pearl clutching about it from the media. And as Sil in The Sopranos would have said, it's anti-Italian discrimination, anti-Argentinian discrimination that's what it is, it all goes back to Thatcher it all goes back to Thatcher and the Falklands the sinking of the Belgrano, all that that's what they're doing, that's what they're going on about there, hang on, just go have a sip of coffee I'm going to mute myself

31:15Jack:it's quite handy I've got this new mic and there's like a what is it, is it a mixer? I don't know, it's a fancier mic you've got to run it through a kind of a little, like this thing, something with dials and wires and stuff on it. And there's actually a handy little mute button on it. So when I do have to cough or have a slurp of water or coffee or something like that, then I can. I've got quite a few questions in. Quite a few of you up nice and early.