Spurs Beat Dortmund! A Springboard For Frank? | Sean Walsh On Spence x Udogie & Underwhelming Transfer Links (Q&A)

24:15Jack:I think that's... Yeah, I think Spurs being in such a unique place as a club, and I know it wasn't his place to talk about it, Frank, wasn't it, where he said about, oh, we're in the Champions League but we finished seven teams, so we're not really a Champions League club. He's spot on, but you're the manager, you cannot say that. But that is the reality of where Spurs are. They're in this weird club where they're the smallest of the big six. They don't have the financial spending powers. They're the rivals in that sense. Historically, they haven't spent that on wages, so it's been hard to bridge the gap.

24:48If they're going into a bidding war, then they're going to have to pull something out of their arse to really sell themselves as a club. It almost feels like every other club will have to drop out of the race for them to win it. It's a unique position to be in. That's partly why I think the squad construction has been so weird. it's almost been a okay who actually wants to be here and then they get here and they actually realize oh maybe that was the wrong decision protein is now at starbucks and it's never tasted

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25:56Jack:See website for details. Two teams, one cup. The primetime stage is set for the TGL presented by SoFi Finals, Los Angeles Golf Club versus Tigers Jupiter Lynx. Keep up, it's playoffs. Tune in Monday, March 23rd, 9 p.m. Eastern on ESPN2, and Tuesday, March 24th, 7 p.m. Eastern on ESPN and on the ESPN app. I was on the fighting cock the other night and I was speaking to mark nesbitt on there who was just saying that so much of frank's approach is just very very old-school danish he was talking about this thing called yangalor which is you know it seems to be like a uh you know like a i don't know if it's like a boomer thing or something in in denmark but it's it's a bit like a british version of keep calm and carry on but really expanded past that which is it's all about essentially letting you know as the individual you're nothing special don't get ideas above your station kind of thing laid out in this really eviscerating fashion and it sounds nice yeah i know and it is quite funny like reading that and having mark sort of spell it out he wasn't saying it as an excuse or anything he wasn't playing like the danish card or something be like you know leave him alone there's cultural sensitivities to this he was he was just sort of pointing out that in in amusing fashion he can see so much of what winds spurs fans up about thomas frank he puts down to being very danish that exactly what you've just said there that whole kind of well you know we're not we're not a champions league team and you know most of these games that he goes into like the his first press conference saying uh there's one thing i can guarantee you we're gonna lose games come on you know give give us something give us something here Thomas but um I guess well I guess this brings us sort of quite neatly onto Sean the the elephant in the room if you like that going into this one we weren't well I mean we weren't even sure if Thomas Frank was going to be our manager going into this one anymore um after the defeat to West Ham there's lots of you know ITK and whatever flying around that we're trying to line up an interim no we're not lining up lining up an interim well we definitely won't be making a permanent signing in the middle of the season that'll wait till the summer all the all the usual conjecture that you find at these points but after that game after that performance um not to say that the people that run our club are knee-jerk and prone to folly but do you think people might be taking a step back because you know some people are even suggesting that he might just get that Dortmund game and then not be in charge for Burnley but I can't really see that happening and everything everything that we've heard you know from Frank's own mouth you know he sat down with Vinay and Johan they had a nice lunch and they they're fully on board with him maybe maybe that is the truth what what do you make of his somewhat precarious position right now do you think we do need to take this on face value that the club are are behind him that the noises that we hear that vinay venkatesham is you know inspired by his uh arteta work or whatever gonna stick with this guy and and ride out this can we call it a rough period half season now the the thing that i was thinking about when it came to the lunch was this isn't an original thought either but it did sound quite last supper-y kind of vibes and he hadn't clocked that.

29:38Oh God. That's what it seemed like to me because I think everyone was expecting Spurs to lose with Dorman and that would have been that. That somehow the kind of that visceral atmosphere on Saturday would have been even worse on Tuesday. That's not what happened. But I think Jack Pickford might have said it. If it wasn't him, I'm sorry to whoever I didn't give the attribution to. But if you're looking for reasons to keep frank, like I think the board have been for the last couple of months. The Dortmund game and what it means going into the last match at the Champions League, that's probably what you can point to.

30:16The success in Europe, the unbeaten four wins out of four run in the Champions League at home, no goals conceded at home. Haven't really come close to conceding in that time either, I think, if I'm right. That's probably what you point to, especially for a manager who had never managing any European competition before as well, that's what you'd probably think. Okay, yeah, there's shoots of green here. I do think that the way it's been handled over the last few days has been a disgrace, though, that there is no smoke without fire. You know, if so many different reliable people are coming out with reports that Spurs are thinking of a change, you know, Frank's, you know, they wanted to give him the season but now it feels like his position might not be tenable and they might have to make a change.

31:08And then after all that on the Sunday, they give him the press conference on the Monday. He comes out. He does well. He puts on a smile. There's the video of him saying, it's sunny, we're playing football. What's not to like? And he gets asked about it afterwards as part of the media circus. But that must have been just like the worst 48 hours of his professional career. like everyone's talking about him that he's going to get sacked that it's been a failure and then he comes into work on the Monday morning it's no you're getting you're getting the game and you're going to have to face the press at least twice more this week if you lose maybe we'll make a change on the Wednesday and Thursday but he managed to get through it and he did seem quite relieved when he came in for his press conference post Dortmund he didn't like necessarily say oh wow I'm so I'm so ecstatic with that but he just he just seemed a bit a bit more at ease and he ended it with saying you know he's going to have two glasses of red or whatever you know as he usually does when when he wins a game which hasn't been a lot recently but he just he felt like he just kind of needed that there was a nice there was a break it was something away from the toxicity and you know it could be meaningless and I suppose could go to lose at Burnley on Saturday and it's back to square one and there's another couple of days of are they going to get rid of him?

32:35Will it be before or after the Frankfurt game? Will it be before or after the City game? Is that a free hit? Is that a chance for him to kind of flex his tactical muscle again having outdone City earlier this season? So not out of the woods. I think he probably will go within the next few months whether that's before the end of the season or not. But I think just I think he just really, really needed that on like a personal level to get to get away from how bad it really really was like it can't have been nice for him to this i made a point on to this like this guy who was never a footballer was a kindergarten teacher was a youth coach in the danish setup like starting with young kids and then kind of progressively working way up somehow be like a premier league and champions league manager in this billion pound stadium with 60 000 people and they're all singing you're getting sacks in the morning that can't just be you've got to be thinking like what the hell has

33:29Jack:my life come to to get to this point i mean it has been pretty vitriolic hasn't it you know it's been i myself have been horrible i know i have you know it's uh it's i don't know there's there's been something that's just been very frustrating about his approach and his general candor around the issues at spurs i don't know if he's i think he's he's not he's not done himself any favors by continuing to reference the fans all the time. I think it's been a misstep from him. I think it's been his attempt to really create some sort of a siege mentality for the players. We see the players still doing their little huddle on the halfway line before they go off for half time.

34:16Jack:I really hate that. I hate it as well. I really, you know, I dislike it intensely. um i echo a lot of what like flav has been saying lately on the fight to reference him again but you know talking about like pedro poro just right now seems so preoccupied by holding the fans accountable all the time every time he does something well in the match he's cupping his ears to the crowd and yeah just just concentrate on the game like i feel like you know the the game against dortmund he was kind of lucky i think he got caught dwelling in possession several times i think he was actually quite so i think he got man of the match which surprised me but i think he was generally quite sloppy in the match and i think he he is generally quite sloppy i don't think let me let me put it this way i don't think the performances that pedro poro has been putting out the past few weeks are really befitting of somebody of his quality um and yeah you know you you can say he's only human and the you know of course the fans being on the players backs is going to get to him but at the same time like you say you you are you're you are a highly paid professional and yes that doesn't mean people have to deal with abuse in the workplace and everything if people want to put it that way but a bit of booing a bit of anger a bit of passion if you like from the fans is part and parcel of the game you know he's the guy's spanish you know look at what the spanish league is like you can't you can't tell me that there's not like poison and vitriol in the stands when their teams aren't doing well you know it's it's this isn't some this isn't a Tottenham issue this is football this is what football fandom is and I am surprised that the players are so rattled by it and I do think that at times Frank has tried to use that clear divide between the fan and the players that there is right now and I think there is that lack of unity I think he's tried to use that to his own advantage at times like I don't think he's done it very well I think he's I think he's he's he's tried to do it quite publicly which probably is a misstep um but but to what you say yeah on a human level there are parts of me that can sit there and think god i do i do kind of feel sorry for him in between it all i do feel quite sorry for him the dropping tell out maybe made me feel less sorry for him about stuff but it's it's just a it's a really it we are in a really really weird place I mean I do think if we go to Burnley and it's normal services resumed we lose or it's a miserable dour draw to Burnley I don't see how he can stay in the job I really I just at this point now I don't see how he can because again it would raise a lot of the same questions that I had out the back of West Ham whereby you know if we don't want to find ourselves in an uncomfortable position in the Premier League, where are we picking up points if we're not beating Burnley and West Ham?

37:11Jack:No, a million percent that. A million percent that. You know, that's the main focus for me is I don't want Spurs to go down. I don't buy any of this crap that, oh, actually it'll be good for the club because we can purchase. No, it's the worst thing. I don't want Spurs anywhere near the championship. I don't want us going down there. I just don't want it. I don't want to see Spurs relegated. I don't want to see Spurs go down the year arsenal inevitably win the premier league like that's just no like there's it's going to be enough to deal with seeing them win the premier i think they're going to win everything right now like they seem they seem utterly unbeatable it's mental but you know and it's it's not beautiful football but it's miserably effective and they seem unbeatable and then this doesn't even feel like the best version of themselves over the last five years at all it's the annoying thing it's horrible but and we seem miserably beatable um which is is is is is is kind of worrying but yeah you know if if if this Dortmund game this is it for him for me this is it for Frank like this is this is the springboard he has to he has to use this momentum he has to go forward with this I know Bergwahl's dropped out but he has got Connor Gallagher for the Premier League so again there's there's less excuses there don't overthink it don't stodge it up go to burnley with some ambition go to burnley on the front foot you can this team is capable of beating burnley it is don't go there worrying like this this is it this this is the chance to save your job now thomas if you're listening to this but i'm sure it will be but do you know what i mean though there can't be excuses.

38:54Jack:Excuses are done now. No. I would be shocked if anything less than a win saves his job against Burnley. And we have arrived at that place, haven't we? I think so, yeah. I think... I'm actually quite surprised Spurs aren't any closer to the relegation zone as they are. It feels like they haven't won in forever. You look at the table and say, I thought it was not that bad. Are we seven or ten points? 10 points away still, aren't we? Yeah, the West Ham winning at Spurs didn't do us any favours. No. But he's like, a couple of wins, get back in the European mix. Seems like the Premier's going to get an extra European place again.

39:35Again, something that probably the board are pointing to to say, oh, it's not all bad. But you can't go to this Burnley team knowing that you need a win and just be satisfied with anything less. and it can't just be he's given the big in about that we've actually not played that badly in XYZ games and we've deserved more and there have been moments where if this went in, if that went in it would have been a different game it can't be about that it cannot be about that it has to be a win with Nersu you said Gallagher come back in, hopefully Saar will be back from AFCON celebrations as well, Tel obviously comes back in he's legible again so Van der Ven back from suspension as well so hopefully that's a net positive even with Bergwahl going out

40:27Jack:Just to close out the Dortmund game before we get on to questions it was a red card and I'm standing by that I thought it was really harsh Ultimately for me I know If that's against us it's a red card isn't it I get it if you slow anything down it looks worse than it is however if you even if you look at it in real time his his challenge was lacking control it was rash you know he had a boot raised in the air he's he's flicked it out to try and get the ball away he's gambled with it it's it's silly you know you you you can injure somebody doing that so it's a record get him off get him off um would have matter we're smashed up anyway exactly exactly so james reed is a nice uh easy one for you to begin with sean reports are linking us to west ham rejects in the transfer market i guess this is somerville and the danish goalkeeper does this show how unattractive we are to players right now or do frank and langer actually profile these players and think they're what we need either scenario is deeply concerning.

41:37I guess the counter to the first scenario is Spurs have just signed Connor Gallagher from under the noses of Aston Villa, who are close to being in a title race and will almost certainly be in the Champions League next season. So I don't think it's a matter of Spurs aren't that attractive. I really do think it's a matter of if they just like the profiles. the Hermansen Kinski deal is really weird for me particularly I've seen some Spurs fans say oh if it means Kinski will get game time then it's probably a net positive I don't think Kinski is going to play there I really don't think he's going to play over Areola unless all of a sudden Areola's got an injury that they're not telling anyone about and that's why they're after a new keeper but Kinski hasn't shown apart from really on his debut against Liverpool in the Carabao Cup last year that he can play consistently week in, week out in the Prem, especially if Vicara has been dropping a few clangers this season, hasn't been getting a sniff.

42:36I don't see the logic in that deal. And then taking back Homenson, I don't know. It's just for Spurs to have a backup keeper. And then the Somerville thing, I nearly lost my head at yesterday. Thankfully, it doesn't seem like a realistic deal if only because West Ham don't want to sell him in the midst of a relegation battle, but I just cannot believe they're just sitting around looking at players, crunching all this tape, looking at all the data as well. The data's not even good for these players. And they're like, yes, Hermanson and Somerville, they're going to save our season. I really don't know what's going on.

43:14It really confuses me what's going on.

43:17Jack:I mean, I think I've seen some people say that if we're just talking about incremental gains, Somerville as an incremental upgrade on like Tell or Odderbear. I'm not even convinced he is though. See I'm not even convinced he is and also it's like. He scored twice in 18 months like how is that an upgrade on them? Why do you want to stop Tell or Odderbear and or Odderbear let's say from developing further you know by putting somebody who's I would say bang average in front of them. Maybe bang average is harsh but good as opposed to brilliant right? it's a it's it's part of trading i just do not understand like i don't i'm fine to live with these young players that we've got if there's experience and kind of steady heads coming in to help guide them there's absolutely no point adding someone of the same level who may be one or two years older there's it's just it's just pointless recruitment there's there's lots on this to be honest there's so i've had daniel j perma said if we sign these two west ham chumps in favor of folding the club right um yeah i mean we we could be daniel we've had somebody called tom foynes say how can the club release a statement like they did in saturday's program knowing the length of their ambition was two gimps from west ham who barely played premier league level do they think we're stupid or do they really think this is progressive business um you know i think it's the latter honestly i really think that these guys don't go into work it's like you know you know like in in movies you get you get like super villains who their point is to be evil and they're actively evil like you don't really get that in real life like you might have like the old guy like like trump who might be the real life version of that but in general people don't wake up thinking I'm going to do evil and tyranny today people get up and they go and they do the jobs that they love thinking that they're going to do a good job and I really think the guys at Spurs think that this is just they're being good at their jobs and that is what's worrying that they have their blinkers on and can't see that it could very well be that Spurs end up signing neither player from West Ham and they actually end the window on a high and sign someone else.

45:43But it's not promising if it's coming out that this is their thinking, this is what they want to do. I have real, real concerns about the direction and how much of this is just a saving face kind of exercise. Because if, say, Spurs were 7th, 8th and they had a couple of more good performances this season, maybe they'd won one of the big games as well. And then Vinkerteshin puts that in the matchday programme. And it's like, okay, you see the vision. It's quite nice to have some communication from the top. The problem is that's not what's happened at all. And this, especially, what statement was it last week?

46:28Was it the prejudice leaving statement where Vinkerteshin said it was along the lines of, oh, you know, we're a structure of this. I could absorb this kind of loss and we'll be fine. It was like, you cannot say that when Spurs have been in almost permanent crisis for the last two seasons. You cannot say that. Like you need to like, it would be better to just say nothing. Like that's, you cannot say that. It's, it's ridiculous. Zootopia 2 has come home to Disney+.

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48:24Jack:Yellow Bentines. I'm not sure exactly what this means. Maybe you'll be able to explain this to me, Sean. He says, are we in danger of keeping Frank for the rest of the season on a gif-gaff style basis, hedging out bets that there's no better option. There must be. What's the gif-gaff thing? Does he mean that's just... It's a... I don't know. Is it pay-as-you-go? Is that what he means? Maybe. I don't know. I think it wouldn't be... If there's more shoots of green that there was in the Dortmund game and the Premier League form can level out a bit, It might not be the worst thing that Frank does get this season, just because the best managerial options won't be available until the summer anyway.

49:10I know the one that some of the fans really want, he definitely won't be available until the summer anyway. There is a shortage of interims that Spurs could really go to. I feel the club are resistant to bringing back Mason for a third stint, just because of the optics of that. I think as well, like, I just said it last season, he said I think almost directly not to be self-serving but eventually the club are going to have to six-point something and I think it would just look really bad on Spurs from a manager's point of view if they get rid of this guy that they said oh he came topping our list of 30 managers with all these metrics that we did he was the clear number one and if he can't survive the season I think it just looks really bad for they have made a rod for their own back I know exactly yeah exactly so So, you know, but do they just cut their losses with that?

50:03Do they just say, you know, look, that was our mistake. That was our fault. It wasn't the right fit. Like there was logic behind it, but it just wasn't on a football sense, the right fit. So now we've got to go back to the drawing board and go again. I think the thing I keep coming back to is every time I say, oh, give them the season, give them the season and then make a change. You sit down to watch some of these games and it's like, I cannot watch Spurs play more football like this. It cannot be... They cannot keep putting in performances that they have over the winter. It has to be more like the Dortmund game where you could see that they're up for it.

50:40They wanted to jump on Dortmund any chance they got. They were very direct in the way they built attacks and they weren't just passing around the back waiting for someone to latch onto a long ball from Vicario that had gone wayward. It has to show a bit more direction. But at this stage of the season, god knows if that's going to stick so there's a there's an interesting question here that i think

51:04Jack:opens up a a larger discussion about football which is from ryan jacobson that says three injury crises in three years different managers different players but the same outcome a struggling squad decimated by many long-term injuries i can't believe it's bad luck so why has it happened yet again now i know that you know a lot was made last year and we can debate how fair or not it was about ang postacoglu's methods and the injuries that came with that um i think again yeah if we're talking about people making a rod for their own back on that one ang kind of wore it as a bit of a badge of honor the whole hamstring thing which probably didn't help and perhaps you know added fuel to the fire that he was the cause for it.

51:52Jack:But if we, so the BBC actually, funnily enough, put out an article yesterday highlighting the amount of injuries that Premier League clubs are facing. You know, right now we're looking at Newcastle, 17 injuries, Tottenham, 19, Arsenal, 19, Chelsea, 19, Brighton, 17, Leeds 19 Bournemouth 17 you get the picture you know there's a lot of injuries Villa got 16 Forest 16 City 16 like there's you know it seems to be spread pretty evenly across the Premier League now we do at these times tend to say bloody Spurs our bloody physios they can't do anything right but when you look at it in the context of the entirety of the Premier League like that and you see that the majority, I mean, it's only Brentford and Burnley that have single figures of injuries and they both had nine.

52:56Jack:Everyone else is in double figures. Are we not again at a point where we're just saying not only are there too many games for players, and we all know that, we know the amount of friendlies, the amount of international fixtures, the pre-season tours, all this type of stuff, the burden that is put upon players, their legs their bodies we're also talking about a game now that is so intense like football now the intensity of it especially premier league football and i'm not trying to do the whole like little england exceptionalism stuff but the premier league is particularly intense is particularly grueling we just this is what's happening to spurs and as i say basically every other team in the Premier League now, is a natural consequence of a game that is eating itself, isn't it?

53:48Yeah, that's literally the phrase that I was going to use. It is frustrating. I think part of the frustration I've had is if Spurs have these amazing facilities, all the infrastructure they have, you've seen some of the behind-the-scenes stuff with Madders, all the different things that he's had to boost his ACL recovery. it's just like why can't Spurs be ahead of the game why can't Spurs is there no innovation that Spurs could take advantage of to ensure this doesn't happen and I guess it probably just isn't that simple but yeah it feels more like a football wide issue than just a Spurs one and it is hard to kind of when you're living in the Spurs soap opera day to day it is hard to reconcile with that it's not a unique issue but it's just tough.

54:43This is something that those in charge have got to take control of because we're going to get to the point where every year, the teams who get to the Champions League final might just be the teams that are the fittest. PSG got to the final last year because they could rest everyone in the league on on a week-to-week basis and they could go all out in the Champions League. Inter got to that final as well because they effectively just threw the Serie A title race and just prioritised their first 11 of the Champions League games. But that's just not football. It can't just be you focus on one thing or I'm going to make wholesale changes and this is how we're going to survive this crippling schedule.

55:34Jack:Pulling a very McCarthy face here right now, Sean.

55:41yeah it's probably like the most hashtag AMF I've ever been just in terms of the amount of games the over intensity the way that that's all going and then you get things like VR as well it's just like the product is just getting worse and worse so I feel like football, there's got to be a point where it just gets to and everyone takes a stand like okay this is too far gone we need to read it back in a bit and I'm hoping that'll be sooner rather than later

56:18Jack:Ian Coy's on Blue Sky says Janai Bifield made his Spurs debut against Dortmund and put in a good shift but what are your favourite academy debuts? That's a good one I'm trying to think I can't yeah this is probably the problem that Spurs don't really have a lot of them. I guess... Can we say Danny Rose on his Premier League debut? Is that... I was thinking that. Yeah, that was... I've got to go for another Premier League debut. Harry Winks, if you remember, his Premier League debut... I don't. ...was the 3-2 against West Ham at White Hart Lane. Okay, yeah. And he scored the first equaliser. And he ran over to Pochettino and gave him a big hug.

57:04Jack:I remember loving... This might be before your time, Sean. I think it was Dean Marnie's debut when he scored two absolute screamers against Everton, was it? Yes, 5-2 winning against Everton, yeah. Yeah, that was – I remember that, just thinking, where the hell is this kid? Who is this? What's this? How has he scored these goals? He didn't make his debut in this game. Did he not? Okay. No, no, sorry. Sorry, something else. I remember I went to a League Cup game in 2009, I want to say. and I think we played Everton and there was a kid on the bench who wasn't on the match day programme I just remember thinking like where's this kid come from and that was Harry Kane he didn't come on but I just remember so vividly thinking like who's this guy why is he not on the programme if he's meant to be good like what the hell we're probably going to lose and then we won and obviously he's had an alright career since then but that was quite that's something that sticks in my mind

58:06Jack:Andrew Elliott says, based on this perverse logic, wait, hang on. How's this? He says, based on this perverse logic, how many more injuries do we need to win the league? I don't get it. What am I missing?

58:28That's just it.

58:31Jack:So he's saying that because we've had so many injuries, that's why we did well against Dortmund. I don't know, Andrew. Does he mean the Champions League? Is it like last season where... I see. I see. I get it. I get it. Finish 17th in the Prem, win the Champions League. It's too clever for me. It's too clever. I'm just knuckle-dragging in chess. It might not even be that. Would you take 17th in the Champions League, Sean? I think you would, wouldn't you? A million percent. What kind of question is that? I know. The real question is, would you take relegation in winning the Champions League? Yeah, I would.

59:00Jack:I would as well. It's the Champions League, man. It's the Champions League. we'll end with this one. Fresenio says, so is Spence really on a bail arc? Is he taking the left wing spot when we line up versus Burnley on Saturday? We did speak about this at the start. So let's, you know, let's end where we began. Is Spence on a bail arc? I mean, you know, I don't want to put too much pressure on the lad, but probably not. Is he taking that left wing spot when we line up against Burnley on Saturday? Let's do that. Do you think Frank is going to be brave and stick with that? Or do you think he's going to drop an unhappy Tell into that left wing spot, Sean?

59:44I imagine he'll put Tell back in, but it wouldn't shock me either if there's something in the next couple of days where Tell's trying to force a move and that takes him out of the equation maybe. I don't want that to happen. I really like Tell as a young player, as a player for the now.

1:00:00Jack:I think he's talented. I don't really get the consternation behind it. I think he's a good, really talented young player. It feels like just... Because he wants to play, and I think that's... It's just always a good sign that he has that hunger. And you can see that hunger when he has played in the last month or so. It hasn't always led to goals or assists, but I think just this one was worth persisting. I think for him as well, that he just needs to stay stumway and stick it out. You know, he tried to leave Bayern last year, whittle through a list of clubs before circling back round against Spurs and then so stay at Spurs for the season as well.

1:00:40I think for him it also needs to be a matter of get your head down get on with it a bit. There was a leak a couple of weeks ago he's targeting a place for France at the World Cup. It doesn't matter what you do between now and the season, that's not going to happen. Let's be realistic. I really want him to stay and I really hope that Spurs do keep him but there's got to be some give and take there as well

1:01:05Jack:Sean anything to anything to plug mate

1:01:12no not really I think just we'll do it in the post-mortem eventually whenever he does get sacked but sorry for selling a lot of dreams about Thomas Frank

1:01:22Jack:yeah I didn't want to go too heavy on that one I was waiting until he does there's a lot of stuff that we can go through in the future I know I was waiting until he does actually get sad to say, so, Mr. Journalist, man, you told us he was going to be great. What about that then, eh? I've got my defence ready, just like when Jamie Carragher was in that Sky News studio that one time or something he did. Sean, it's been a pleasure, mate. Thank you very much for joining me today. Thanks for having me, mate.

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