Spurs On The Brink | Chelsea's Managerial Bounce, Van de Ven Rumours & Relegation Snobbery (Q&A)

21:35Phil:You know, that's the big concern, right?

21:39Jack:Newcastle is a category B game next season. You know, that type of thing.

21:42Phil:Again, you don't want them to be kind of speaking. and you don't want to necessarily be hearing about it publicly about, so maybe I'm being unfair to use it as a criticism, but the point is I have no faith that they are doing the right things behind the scenes because front of house is awful as well, right?

21:59Jack:Well, I mean, let's just, Florian, because I was going to talk about this a bit later, but I think this makes sense to do so now. Florian Plettenberg, he's basically stated that Bruce Daltman's former director of football, Bastian Kiel is the leading candidate to become the new director of football at Tottenham. But it's rather worryingly alongside Johan Langer. I mean, how on earth after this season would Langer be surviving? Be surviving like a cull here? Because surely, surely heads have to roll at some level, right? I mean, another sort of factor in all of this as well is that if you see the responses to said tweet, the Dortmund fans are, you know, they are not complimentary of this guy at all.

22:51Jack:And the theme is very much Mick McCarthy, Spurs fans think it couldn't get any worse. It can kind of thing, which, you know, do we need new nightmares to introduce into the mix here?

23:03Phil:Yeah, I mean, it's quite telling, isn't it? And I think that, you know, you don't want to get rattled too much by what opposition fans say. But we've been on the other side of that when we've been like, I hate to kind of use him as an example with Brennan Johnson, where we were like, I mean, it's good money for him and I don't know what he's going to do at Palace. And you kind of try and tell your Palace mates, oh yeah, no, well, he's good at the back post and he's that sort of thing. But actually you're just like, oof, that's not a good sign. So there is some value, is my point, in Dortmund fans saying to us, this is not a bad, this is not a good idea.

23:33Phil:and again it just fills you with no confidence whatsoever that um the club are making the right decisions or have any kind of background knowledge about why that why they are appointing certain people the langer question if i'm being really fair to him and i don't think necessarily he deserves it but just for balance i think that if he just his remit was hire good young players then i think he's probably done that quite well let's say right just for balance he's got beavel oh, he's got Gray, he's got these other, you know, Odder Bear. He can get those over the line, he can identify them and he can convince them to come.

24:09Phil:That might not even sort of hold water, but I'm just saying that as balance. So him moving aside, as long as he's not making a decision in terms of, you know, as long as he's not the guy holding the pen to everything, then I can stomach that is my point, right? Because I don't think necessarily he would be going anywhere at the end of the season if we stayed up. I don't know. I don't know you know I'm just trying to I'm just trying to kind of be fair about about this whether as I say whether or not they kind of deserve it or not but yeah this other guy coming in I don't know mate it just feels like another sort of no mark doesn't it and kind of moving away from what we actually sort of think is the beneficial thing a complete root and branch standing and change of what Tottenham are trying to kind of do and have someone in we don't we just want someone to slot into what's already there, which that's what it feels like because what's already there is a nonsense.

25:03Phil:I don't know, mate. I saw that and do you know what? I didn't lose any sleep over it only because I was like, God knows if we ever actually end up getting this guy because, you know, it's still up in the air what next season is going to be and what challenges we're going to face. It's because you hadn't spoken to me about it yet.

25:20Jack:That's why. Now after this, you're going to be like, I've had a look into that bloke. Four in the morning, you're going to get a voice note of me. 14 minute voice though yeah if we're going to react to press tittle tattle 442 put out a report yesterday saying that their sources hear that Mickey van der Ven is actively making arrangements to leave Tottenham Hotspur Football Club he's even willing to go out on loan if they can't find a buyer. And it doesn't matter what league Spurs are in next season. He doesn't want to be here anymore. I mean, these sort of rumors have followed him around for a while now.

26:09Jack:I guess the question is, mate, in a sort of do or die relegation scrap, do you continue to start a player that doesn't want to be at the club anymore?

26:19Phil:It's a tough one, isn't it? Because who's the alternative? That's the real question. Dragashin. I don't know yeah I mean I probably would if I had to begrudgingly I would say that report didn't surprise me whether it's kind of built on anything but hearsay I don't know but his body language and the way he's spoken and the way he's been has been less than optimal shall we say and the fact that they asked him about it in the pre-Athletico game I think it was and he got his back up but not that he hadn't said what the rumours were that he was saying he was going to be leaving but that it got out I think that was quite a telling choice of words if I'm remembering that correctly but yeah it's clear that he's going either way and frankly I'm not really fussed mate if we can get good money for him then that feels like a good thing I think that he's he's certainly got some good qualities but I've not been impressed with his defending at all for his whole apart from that one I feel like

27:21Jack:Because his dial's got a big gob on him by all accounts. And he seems to always be somewhere involved in all of this, sat next to him with the Gary Neville interview and all that type of stuff. And it's just do one. Do you know what I mean?

27:33Phil:It's just insulting to us, isn't it? Like, we literally bought you to play. And all right, maybe it is a shambles behind the scenes and maybe you've been lied to. But you haven't covered yourself in glory either, fella. You know?

27:45Jack:He really hasn't. I mean, I don't think, again, and I don't think that's revising any sort of history. He really hasn't. I'm not going to sit here and I don't think I have at any point say he's not a good player. He is a good player. I just, I have questions over in a defensive capacity if he's an elite player. But are Spurs an elite football club anymore? No. You know, and that's, I'm not, I can't remember who it was that made this point the other day when I was going on about Vicario. I think it might have been Adam Mickey, yeah, who when I was saying, you know, Vicario is not really a top goalkeeper and he was like, well, but Spurs aren't a top side anymore mate i don't one begets the other perhaps you know and this is uh this is the question yeah i mean you can't i mean it's that thing is it it comes it's like the champions league final harry kane do you start him or do you not it should have been lucas mora realistically you're in a champions league final you can't you can't not start harry kane and in this bizarro painfully bizarro version of that you can't i just don't think you have to play mickey van de ven don't you you have to hope that on some level he is still motivated by a sense of professional pride if it's not for the love or the want of keeping tottenham hotspur yeah i know that we can kind

29:01Phil:of get ahead of ourselves as fans about these players don't care and this sort of thing but and maybe this was just what i needed to hear at the time but stephen corker was speaking to the guys on we are totten tv the other day it's a good clip if you can watch it um and he was making the point that he just doesn't buy that players would would give up because you know oh it'd make it easier for them to leave that's just not really how they're kind of wired again maybe that's just what i wanted to hear so that's why i think it's a good thing that he said and the accuracy of it who knows it might might be different for certain certain players but yeah i mean the professional pride i think is an important thing yes the money is as well but if you've got untold riches then And I think he based things on other things.

29:40Phil:So, I mean, yeah, it's, I don't know if someone like Mickey Van Der Ven is going to be like, stop playing well or kind of stop putting the effort in just to let Spurs get relegated. I just don't think players get to the position they are in the 0.0, whatever, 1 % of professional football has been in the Premier League by having that sort of attitude at all.

30:04Jack:No, especially considering these guys are probably the ones who on family holidays are an unbearable nightmare when it's just a friendly game of like cards with the family after dinner or something. No, no, no, no, I won because of, do you know what I mean? They're wired that way, aren't they?

30:20Phil:It ruins a holiday if he leaves his tiddlywinks to his nephew and everyone has to kind of like cheer him up.

30:28Jack:Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's that type, you know, we all know, everybody knows that personality type. everyone's got that mate that has to win at something you know they have to and they get all pissy no god best of five best of yeah no mate like just do you mean i want to go and sit some

30:44Phil:yeah and when you give up because you see how it's going they absolutely just rub it in your face for the rest of the weekend you're like mate i let you win that didn't i i just want i just want

30:53Jack:to clarify there the scenario with the mate was i was still in a holiday scenario there i don't just spend most of my days drinking cheap wine i do have to i do have to clarify that even if the Patreon preview the other day didn't really attest to my sobriety. Patreon.com slash RTR pod if you want to join in the fun. Wolves, mate. Wolves this weekend. Absolutely monumental clash. We've not beaten them since 2021, I think. Or at least we've not won there since 2021. You might be able to suggest there's some sort of a psychological block there, but they've gone. They're not in the Premier League anymore.

31:33Jack:I don't put it past the team to want to spite us to see us get dragged down into it as well. However, none of this stuff matters anymore. All that matters is Spurs have to win this game. Yeah, no matter what's

31:44Phil:stacked against us, you know, all this kind of stuff that we haven't won there. Wolves, you know, have some pride or whatever. Although I think, you know, they had a little bit of an upturn, didn't they, when they got over the kind of Derby thing as in being the worst team since Derby and they picked up a few points. They seem to have dropped off quite a bit again, looking at their results. So, well, to memory anyway. So, yeah, I mean, this is the must-win game at this juncture, right? You can make excuses for, you know, I said Palace was a must-win, but we're still in the league. So technically it wasn't.

32:17Phil:You could say Brighton is, but that's just because you want to. This is the must-win game, I think. And if we don't win this, we don't, with all the context, with anything, no matter what, it is, frankly, we don't deserve to be in the league if we can't beat this Wolves team. I mean, we didn't beat them in the start of the season either when they were dreadful. So, yeah. But all that stuff has to be out the window, right? There has to have been a line drawn when De Zerbe come in and it's a new league and we just approach it that way, right? You have to forget and the team have to forget everything that's come beforehand and look forward and focus.

32:51Phil:And, you know, I will say this, that as much as it was gutting to concede that last-minute equaliser against Brighton, I was really, really kind of encouraged by that performance, I have to say. And I kind of thought, and again, maybe it's just I'm telling myself this to make myself feel better, but just seeing a slight uptick in performance, I felt was what, not necessarily all we needed, but that we needed to see an uptick in performance to be able to kind of have any faith that we were going to do what we need to do. I saw that in spades last weekend. So they've proved that they've got enough to beat these teams and get results, keep proving it, and we'll be all right.

33:24Jack:How many games do you reckon realistically we need to win? Or at least how many points do you think we need? I mean, we're sat on, what are we sat on now? I should know this off the top of my head, really. We're sat on 31 points at the moment. I mean, we're going to need at least, we're going to have to beat Wolves. We're going to have to beat Leeds and probably beat Everton if we're working on the understanding that we lose to both Villa and Chelsea.

33:53Phil:so i've done like many people probably have done over the course of the last few weeks many of these kind of like league predictors like you guys did on the channel the other day and i don't i think i've had us staying up and again this is probably where the method falls down i've i've never been able to have us relegated and i've done i've tried and again maybe i'm subconsciously not doing this but i've tried to make it worst case scenarios in some of these games losing to wolves is not in any of those scenarios. So in terms of the, I don't think we're going to need 40 points, put it that way.

34:29Phil:I think that as long as we don't get slapped up by someone, then we've still got that goal difference intact. I think that 38 is probably going to do it. 37 maybe, depending, you know, how things go. So I don't buy that we need 42 points, which I've seen some predictions. That's people's thinking about how you get into the top four and how you chase down a certain position in the league. That's not what it is down there. I still think West Ham's have some tricky games coming up.

35:01Jack:West Ham's fixtures are nasty. Yeah, I mean, this is,

35:04Phil:so this is whenever I've done predictors, and again, what use this is saying, I don't know. I always had us dip into the relegation zone at this point and then find our way out of it and stay up by one or two points one or goal difference one or two points so that that's kind of how i've how i've seen it i don't i will say that as well that i don't think predicting this is really beneficial because there's too many variables you know you you can't do it accurately it's just to help you sort of calm yourself down in that sort of panicked moment right so yeah i don't i don't think it's going to be the highest ever because what i think west ham went down with 42 points once didn't they which i think is the highest the height the highest it's been so i don't think it's going to be that um yeah that's my read on it doesn't really matter at this stage as well three points against wolves yeah well i say isn't it that's i mean that's as as we're saying

36:02Jack:all other context is stripped from this we don't nothing else matters and i i would hope and i would assume that's probably what Deserby is drumming into these guys don't think about everything else don't think about what West Ham are doing just win this game just win it you know you're capable of doing that just and we are capable like you said you know these these these lot are drastically one of the worst I mean to be fair we're one of the worst Premier League sides of all time on current form as well um but they are they're awful we should we should be able to beat them um but

36:37Phil:we've been saying that all season

36:39Jack:do you want some random

36:40Phil:like mad context that I I know we said it's it's context free and it absolutely is but here's just another little tidbit to keep people interesting go on do Wolves want Spurs in the championship next season

36:52Jack:ooh completely that's an interesting completely disregards

36:57Phil:what I said about players at this level no matter who you are in regards to Van der Ven you're not going to want to lose a game or whatever I'm just saying is it better for Wolves if West Ham go down

37:07Jack:That's a very good point, mate. Yeah, do they want Spurs going down? I mean, look, Spurs or West Ham is a crapshoot this season. But as we're saying, all bigger picture. If I was a Wolves fan. If Phoenix can sort themselves out, you would back Spurs to dominate the championship next year.

37:22Phil:Yeah, yeah. If I was a Wolves fan and this was a Wolves podcast, would I be saying, we're down. Don't mind giving Spurs a three points because it makes our job more difficult next season. That's irrelevant, right? It is irrelevant, I'm saying. but it just makes you feel a little excited that there's something else going on, right? It does.

37:39Jack:And I sort of wish you hadn't said that.

37:42Phil:They're going to play like prime Barcelona now, aren't they? Wolves.

37:46Jack:For pride. Just because you've indulged that, just one more little bit of context. For anyone that wasn't aware, so West Ham's next game is at home to Everton. Everton, the best away side in the country right now. Then they go away to Brentford who are chasing down European football and having a great season themselves. then obviously they play arsenal at home um which might be one of those disgusting occasions i've never been forced to do this in my entire lifetime mate but where i might be quietly fist pumping an arsenal goal and then newcastle away which well i mean they are in disgusting form themselves newcastle but stillst james's park not the best place to go especially even if a bit more context It's Newcastle.

38:31Jack:Just find themselves getting uncomfortably close. Newcastle this year really feel like us last year in that they're dropping uncomfortably close to the bottom end of the table, but they should be just about fine because there's enough bad teams beneath them. But they're another lot that will have to watch themselves next season, I reckon. And then obviously Leeds at home last day of the season while we have Everton. Yeah, you know, it's all it is. Lists of questions. Let's do some lists of questions. Got some good ones this week. Johnny B. Good at Johnny B. Good 1365 says, let's try and step out of our doom loop.

39:06Jack:With our injury and form merry-go-round, which player is going to be our end of season hero?

39:13Phil:Kevin Danso. Little, I know he messed up the other game, but little, yeah, little Kevin Danso, couple of headed goals right when we need him or Xavi Simmons.

39:26Jack:I've got to call myself out as well. I did say last week I was going to address the racist abuse that Kevin Danso had faced and I didn't. He handled it very well, didn't he? Much love to him. It's an awful blight upon the game. It's depressing really to be a man in my 40s now and feel that for the most of my life, I'm not saying racism didn't exist when I was growing up, but we always look back to like the 70s and all that type of stuff. that we banana throw in and all that sort of horrible shit that used to go on from the terraces. And sort of think, you know, when there are incidences of racism, it's isolated.

40:05Jack:It's one mug in the crowd doing some sort of gesture or something, right? But the fact that now you have basically a black player will score or do something that's perceived to be a mistake in pretty much any football match now, you know they're just going to get torrents of horrific racist abuse. And there's no reason, right? There's no reason now why these sort of social platforms couldn't be doing more to address this, right? I just don't see, I'm sure there'll be somebody here that will say, well, actually it doesn't work that way. But there's got to be more that can be done, right? Because it seems to be that they're quite good at shutting down streams and stuff, you know, that type of thing.

40:48Phil:Yeah, they can spot copyright infringements, can't they? Easy enough, straight away, in fact. but they can't seem to root this out. Yeah, it's awful and it's awful for him and any player. As you say, he's such a good lad, isn't he? He's such a good lad and seemed like a... Top player. Yeah, real good kind of character. So, yeah. You don't wash your jersey during a win streak.

41:14Jack:You don't switch seats when your team's up big. And you definitely don't shave during the playoffs. When things are working, you don't change them.

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42:17Phil:Who knew your questionable music taste would be a money-making machine?

42:21Jack:Your style can make you cash. Start selling on Depop, where taste recognizes taste. I think he won't mind me saying, like, one thing I can say is so, you know, most people listen to this now are mates of Ben Haynes, and Ben Haynes can never stop going on about what a top bloke Kevin Danso is, how he's just like one of the rocks in our you know in our team a truly great human being great to speak to on a professional level great about the place just a really really really good guy um Jay Harris as well from The Athletic has written a piece that's free to read all about sort of Kevin Danson how he involves himself in charity drives and all that type of stuff just you know and you know i'm i am gonna say as well i've watched the brighton goal back again i think the whole like he's got i i think it's not in the best of faith the whole he should have just cleared it i i don't think it's quite as straightforward as as it's being made up but whatever it's in the past it's in the past somebody with a particularly hairy avatar called tom foynes says are you finding yourself more nervous before these games or before those title deciding end of uh title so basically the games in 2015 to 2017 i mean i'll be honest i was probably more nervous when we were on the verge of winning something this to me isn't nerves this is dread

43:53Phil:this is yeah i was just gonna say exactly that it's an it's an interesting question is i haven't really thought about it in that sense you know you get nervous against the gooners because every season that comes around and you want to get one over them you get that kind of especially if you're watching at home these what it's not nerves is it interestingly it's not nerves i mean it might be nerves when it comes down to it that's the thing when it comes down to the mathematical possibilities of things which we're getting very very very close to so at the moment it is just

44:20Jack:kind of hope and then inevitable dread andy perry at andy perry 145092 says can you come up with a good argument as to why langer and vinai could remain in their positions now and into next season

44:36Phil:actually, I think I can come up with an argument, not when I necessarily believe it, but like I said before about Langer gets shifted over to youth scouting or whatever. Vin, I can say, look, you don't know the mess that I walked into and was asked to fix. Those are the two scenarios. Again, I'm not saying that necessarily I agree with those, but those are the arguments I would make, Your Honour.

44:59Jack:I'm not sure if it's from one of his labs or something, but Flav is often staunchly defensive of Vinay Venkateshin. I think he spoke to somebody, like I say, I think he spoke to somebody on one of his lab pods that was very complimentary of Vinay and was essentially making the point that he is good, Spurs are just a bit of a mess, as you've just said there. So, you know, it's on you and Flav if we get relegated to League One by the end of next season. I've had this asked by a few different people. I've just picked Colonel Spurs fan out of the hat to put them forward. So thank you to everybody that did send in a question and ask this.

45:43Jack:Destiny a doggy. Talented player, but very injury prone. Do we keep or sell in summer? It's a tough one, this one, isn't it? I think he's probably one that I would get rid of.

45:59Phil:if I had you know if I was doing a football manager save I'd be like get rid of all these players and replace them with better players or you know but it doesn't work in real life but yeah the fact that he's injured again is really I think the last time he got injured again I think we were like we got to get rid of this guy I think we'd all reach that that conclusion now at this point in the season I think we're just like this let's just stop doing this let's stop backing these sort of you know players that we want to do well and just being a bit more cutthroat

46:29Jack:the sunk cost fallacy isn't it that's what people talk about but the thing what makes this quite painful and quite unique i mean it's not like the first time we've seen this happen to spurs fans but it's just how good a dog he is and how good he starts to look when he does get a few games under his belt and he gets like an unbroken run of form and fixtures and you start to see the impact he can have on the team defensively and in an attacking capacity and then he just goes again and then he gets chucked back in when he's half fit looks not great for a few games and the cycle

47:07Phil:continues the one good game like he did against brighton which was he was very useful with that kind of overlapping and you know linking up with jabby on that left side and now suddenly it was just too much for him and he's he's gone down so yeah maybe it is our problem that we're rushing them back and if we've got an actual kind of you know supportive player in there that we can rotate

47:24Jack:with then maybe but i don't know mate anthony ashton um anthony ashton one says vicario versus kinski for the rest of the season we're not i'll jump in here mate and i will say i was very impressive kinski against brian i think the fact he's managed to sort of shake off the awful humiliation of that Atletico Madrid game, and let's be honest, that's what it was, speaks very well to the lad's character. And suddenly having a goalkeeper that looks comfortable with the ball at his feet just is such an immeasurable lift, I think, as a supporter, watching that, watching the team not be completely rattled any time the ball goes near him.

48:05Phil:Yeah, and there's something about the idea that fans are quick to get on Vicario's back because he's not very good, in my opinion, my esteemed opinion. But with Kinski, after what he went through, there's more forgiving, there's more support there. And I know that that's something that necessarily, it should be the same for both goalkeepers. But I think these little things, you know, he lets in a howler, one goes in, that he gets support from the team rather than people booing Vicario for doing something, which again, I'm not going to criticise people booing him for that. But for me, yeah, Kinski.

48:41Phil:Kinski, I think he was good. And, you know, he had a solid performance. And I don't think he could have done much with the goals.

48:47Jack:Mickey, hello, mate, says, with Villa and Leeds all deep into knockout cup action, Chelsea combusting, Wolves relegated, and apparently having locker room aggro, Everton likely to be on the beach, are the stars now realigning in our favor? you know maybe maybe this maybe this mate has been the ultimate rope-a-dope by the universe we think we're going down we think Arsenal are going to win the quadruple when actually we stay up and they win nothing I mean that that that is a generational season in a way it's high risk but the reward on that mate is something else this makes me think of one of those

49:27Phil:really bad like social media pranksters who have been like um your whole family's died um it's terrible and they keep it going on too long so the person goes through the emotions of that and then at the end only joking what a laugh and the person who's you know the brunt of the joke are still just like shocked and kind of i've gone through the emotions it it doesn't it doesn't help to now know that it was a joke because i felt the feelings that i would feel in that situation so yeah i'll take it but it's like it's um it's uh it would be it would be quite the thing wouldn't

50:00Jack:it like when david brent sacks dawn in the office like pretends to pretends to sack her and you know she's sat there crying into her tissue isn't he and he's like oh you know joking it's just a joke yeah what do we have here ben hayes that's hayes not ben haynes at ben hayes 17 says with tottenham looking for a lead psychologist it makes you wonder have they bought in any form of psychologist at any point this season um if they haven't why not when it was at least a very obvious thing to do yeah i don't know if you saw this mate but yeah i think it's another i've been on linkedin

50:36Phil:more looking at spurs rate things that i had for my entire career purposes is this is this

50:44Jack:a surprise i mean is it is it something do you reckon deserve he's led is it again just one of these things it's like however long it's taken whoever it's come from at least they're doing it

50:54Phil:i think you've got to look at it that way right i mean we don't know if they're replacing someone or someone was kind of doing that or they had something set up and now they've got something in-house, right? I mean, if they were doing it, they were doing a bad job. I think they need some therapy themselves, mate, by looking at it. But yeah, so, I mean, it's got to be a good thing, isn't it? I mean, it's, we obviously need it. Football clubs need it. I know it's one of those things that certain generations might look down their nose at, but, or certain people rather than just generations. But yeah, I think it's definitely something that we've lacked, isn't it?

51:25Phil:It's definitely something that we need to get right. Even if it's, you know, we're talking tiny percentages of potential for help. It's just something I feel like we've never done. Like we didn't bring the right boots to bloody Atleti, right? It's those sorts of things. Just bring the right boots. Just get a sports psychologist in. Just do it. Just do these things. It might help.

51:44Jack:Shall I do the job and just say, I think what you need to do is man up. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Grow a pair, lads, all right? That's all you got to do. Yeah. We'll end on this one. This is a nice casting Sophie's Choice for you, Phil. At Prince Bling Blee says, Woolwich winning the league and Champions League and us staying up or Woolwich win nothing and we go down. This is a strictly binary choice. Can you imagine that they win both and we go down? Love for one club can be matched by hate for another.

52:22Phil:I think I've always prescribed to the idea that a big part of football is if your team's not doing well, then you can at least enjoy the downfall of others. However, for this, I'm like, I'm taking us staying up.

52:36Jack:It's more difficult than it should be. You're mad, Barstow. After all we've said about us potentially going down

52:43Phil:to the National League in four years, I don't even know if that's possible in terms of time. But yeah, we were just, yeah.

52:51Jack:Imagine seeing their disgusting hands all over Big Ears.

52:54Phil:Yeah, but they're going to do that. How old? We're in our 40s, early 40s, by the way, but still we're in our 40s. That's going to happen at some point. Just FYI. It's going to happen. I'm still young. I don't feel it. Fall asleep in front of the TV and stuff at like 6.30.

53:12Phil:But yeah, it's going to happen at some point. Just get it out. Just do it now then. Just do it now and just save us.

53:22Jack:Why is it going to happen? I mean, do you think the same as Spurs? Do you think it's definitely going to happen to Spurs?

53:28Phil:It's different. No, I just think maybe not the Champions League, but they're definitely going to win the league again at some point in my lifetime. And I'd rather just not go into the championship and not kind of risk that.

53:40Jack:The Premier League, I can reconcile. The Premier League, I can definitely reconcile. I've seen them do it. I've seen them bloody win it in front of my face at our ground. Do you know what I mean?

53:50Phil:Yeah, but what does it matter as well? Who cares? None of this matters. why why are we even talking about this for an hour like who cares who cares that's going to

54:03Jack:be the reaction to everyone listening to this what if i just listened to that talking about bollocks yeah you've all just wait we're all just wasting our lives doing this none of it matters do you think like it's a bit of an addict it's probably addiction isn't it to a degree we're addicted we're addicted to the dopamine that doesn't come anymore because they brought bloody var into it so it's ruined we're on the synthetic stuff and it's not quite

54:25Phil:hitting like it used to. But that's why we're thinking, oh, if we go down, I might kind of fix my life a bit and do other things, look for more sort of like healthier pursuits rather than this. It's the same.

54:40Jack:But it won't be, you'll be finding Lincoln away streams and you know you will be, all of you.

54:45Phil:You greedy little pigs. What am I going to do? I'm not going to want to engage with it. It's going to be horrible. But of course, you know, like I said, I've said this before elsewhere, but say if we go down, by the time sort of October comes around, we'll be used to it by then. And we'll just kind of be like, oh, we've actually won a game and Troy Parrott's playing well. And Robbie Keane looks like a good fund manager to have because Deserby's gone. So, you know, just...

55:14Jack:He's gone in summer, mate. He's gone when we sell Vanderhead and Romero. You sell him a player, you know. Slams the pizza against him. can I just say I've already done the this is sideways punching this isn't punching down so you know this is merely casual soft funny xenophobia that's that's what that is um just on this mate part of this is part of the going down you know what does it matter and all that type of thing you know what it is it is it is entitlement I've seen some like Vila fans be like why shouldn't Spurs go down they're all so entitled and I'm like I can't really argue that one to be fair do you know i mean it's a fair point there is a level of entitlement that we should be an ever present and never go down and it's also just i think i'm a bit of a snob i think it's a bit embarrassing there's that part of me that's like yeah doing like my post-match do my post-match streams tottenham versus lincoln it's very like you know something about that is very like oh not it's not a it's not a quirky fa cup match this is us playing that that club with that weird imp badge that looks like it's been drawn on the back of a fag packet and i i am supposed to lend my dulcet tones i am supposed to be talking about that why i have podcasted about champions league matches and now here i am stepping stepping into lincoln with my hunter wellies on

56:41Phil:that's exactly it it's okay i hope people waited for these last five minutes because our masks have slipped, haven't they? I don't care about anything and you're just so looking down your nose at it because you can't bear it for your own personal pride. Disgusting, disgusting podcasting.

56:59Jack:Phil, it's been a pleasure. Thank you very much.

57:01Phil:We're being a waltz, don't worry about it.

57:02Jack:It's a good new Spurs. Come on, up the Spurs.