Spurs Retrospective Champions? Pochettino Speaks Out & Listener Q and A (feat. James Maw)

29:21Jack:because Is that what's happening? I mean, because the Brazilian window's still open or whatever, isn't it? Yeah, but I don't think anyone in Brazil is going to have anywhere near the money to do that deal. I mean, maybe I'll be wrong but I think it's What do we want, 20 mil? I think the ITK types are saying? Well, yeah, who knows? There's going to be somewhere between what we're going to get from Everton and nothing, isn't it? And that's pretty obvious. Yeah. I'd be surprised if, if we don't somehow manage to get him out, but maybe we don't. I think they have to. I think it's, I think it's really, I think it's so, you know, talking about vibes before, it's so bad if you'd got, you trained him in the first team today, apparently.

29:59Why? It's so bad if you've got like, why? I guess keep him fit and keep him saleable, I guess.

30:03Jack:I see, I suppose. But he's like, I think I like quite a popular player in the dressing room and around the club. I have to like, have him kind of, skulking about for four or five months until he can go in January. It's just not really helpful for anyone. I think it's in the club's best interest. Not having him in the Premier League squad is insane if we're not getting rid of him. Whatever I think about him, it's... And this is kind of what I mean about the Deserby thing. There's just that little concern for me that there's an air of cutting off your nose to spot your face, right? Which just...

30:34Jack:Yeah. It feels like the kind of situation where like both... There's probably been a little bit too much pride from both the player and the manager. And if you've got a more empowered sporting director or CEO or whatever, they can step in and say, this is daft, let's not do this, let's do this, the thing that will work better for everyone. But I think because everything has kind of had to be done on the manager's terms this summer on the basis of what happened before, and again, you can argue the rights and wrongs of that, we've kind of been left with this situation where this player is unregistered and potentially they're going to take a big hit.

31:12I mean, look, at the start of the summer, we knew Richarlison had the year to run. I mean, how much money would we have been expecting to have got from him then? I don't know. Probably not loads. No. It does seem, I don't know, it does seem a bit, it seems unfortunate and unnecessary to me that we've kind of got the situation where a player, irrespective of whether you think he's like a saleable asset, like as a human being is sat there, not able to do his job. Every game day you show up for your team. Now it's your time. We go V. We go V. Ask your prescriber about We Go V. Some maglutide injection 2.4 milligrams, a GLP-1.

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32:36I don't want to get into that Pochettino they get paid to train not to play thing but you know he's a footballer he should be like allowed to play football matches and he can play next week at Liverpool I think he'll play in the League Cup

32:46Jack:can he? I think so yeah I suppose it's just a Premier League squad isn't it yeah yeah maybe he'll be a he always scores actually that's it isn't it he's keeping him fresh for Anfield where he always scores but we'll get to a cup final and he'll drop him ahead of the cup final and we won't win that cup final and then everyone will say why didn't he start Richarlison I can see it already me you know how this goes you know how this goes it is uh thursday it's a listener q a um there's a there's a broad span of questions here for you james they're all they're all pretty friendly um i guess just on this point this seems quite relevant now to ask uh from jack c it's a simple one what run of results are you tolerating in the next three games before the international break and basically a month of no football not that you need reminding but just to confirm it's Everton at home, Liverpool away in the Cup, and Villa at home.

33:39Jack:I mean, we've got to score a goal at least, don't we? Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. I'm kind of tempted to say you need four points from those two league games. But then if you beat Everton, yeah, I think four points from the league games, really. I mean, this isn't, is the question for the manager to keep his job? It's not, is it? It's just what would make me happy? Yeah, I guess so. I mean, I think if we were to basically lose all of those games, there would be a lot of arses wobbling, though. I mean, after that nonsense start to this calendar year when they didn't win a game until like April or whatever it was, mid-April, I think getting to that first international break and not having won a game would be pretty bad.

34:22Like, I think mentally, I think it would be a bit of a problem. I mean, they really need to win this everything game, really, for me. But I think if they got four points from those two games, you'd at least be thinking things may be trending in the right direction.

34:33Jack:I know we've got a lot of new players but we saw last year how quickly the rot steps like sets in. Players just start to get that strange feeling that somehow the results are out of their hands. You know? And I think that was one of the big things Deserby came in and said, right? Like you guys are all acting like you're not in control of this. Yeah, exactly. But again, that's another thing that like he was good at last season that he seems to have kind of just done away with this season. like being a bit more kind of positive and you know like kind of placing those positive messages in the players minds i mean and that's that's all happening behind closed doors and he's not telling us about it now which is the opposite to before um yeah but yeah i actually think they might win that liverpool game i don't know i sort of feel i sort of feel like we will as well i know what you mean i looked at their bench last night and i'm assuming they're going to have to rotate because Champions League, Premier League, League Cup, Premier League, whatever.

35:29Like, there's a lot of matches in quite a short period of time. Obviously, the first time this manager's had that as well. Like, they've not got amazing depth, really. Like, I can't seem like putting out quite a weak team and possibly just sort of binning off a little bit. And then, if we go quite strong, I don't think it's impossible.

35:49Jack:Sean Lee asks, well, he sort of states, I feel like James often starts an answer on view from the lane, but takes a pause before going in two footed. How much, I think I just done that. How much knowing self editing goes on and why? Um, I'm doing it now. Um, no, not, no, I don't think so. I mean, I think, I mean, I do have to be careful what I say. Like, so I had quite good. So when I used to do fighting, I would occasionally go on fighting cock, this was like 10 years ago when I worked at 442. And I always found that quite good kind of diplomacy practice because obviously like Flav and Ricky would be saying absolutely insane shit and I'd just be like, well, yeah.

36:39They'd be talking about which players would do what to which other players in the showers and whatever. And I'd kind of be like, well, I actually come on this podcast to promote an interview with one of those players, so let's just be a little bit careful. um so i kind of think that is kind of ingrained to be cautious but there definitely have been times where i've where i've lost it a little bit um i wouldn't like to think that people thought i was kind of holding back too much and obviously like at the moment without danny kelly so i'm it's kind of incumbent on me and dan kilpatrick to kind of provide the the outrage at what's been happening at spurs so um yeah i yeah like i say i wouldn't like to think that it felt like I was holding back too much.

37:19Jack:I mean, there's a fine line between self-editing and demanding that Romero get sacked after a game, isn't there? I guess. Yeah. I mean, or that Frank be sacked at half-time, I think was it. I mean, I did say, I really regret this, I said that Conor Gallagher was the worst signing in the history of football. This, so last year's Conor Gallagher that Tottenham signed. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So when... And then Mudrick came along. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so he signed and played the first four or five games, then he was out of a team, wasn't he, I think. Basically, I think he fell out of a team right at the end of Frank and then didn't really play under Tudor, and it was only when Deserby came in that he got back in the team and then was kind of reasonably good or reasonably effective and made quite a big difference.

38:07So I don't believe that to be true now, but my point really was they could have spent£40 million on an attacking player that would have actually played. and they at that point had signed a midfielder who was sat on the bench so that was my that was my rationale there but I was kind of like yeah if this gets back to the wrong person is this going to be bad because I don't think Jack Pitbrook would say that

38:26Jack:he might not he is a coward he definitely wouldn't call Ange Postacoglu a clown that's you know that's I shouldn't do that people won't people will not forget that they won't it's mad any mention of Dan it's like on like YouTube on our YouTube comments now on Spotify and stuff it's people going on about that I mean, grow up though, you know. They've like kissed and made up. So like it's kind of water under the bridge as far as Andrew's concerned. Yeah, somebody said that Dan filled in while I was ill on here as well. And somebody said something about, is this the guy that called Andrew clown? It's like, come on.

39:02It's also not strictly what he said. It's not. It was like a reflection of perception rather than what Dan actually thought.

39:08Jack:So there you go. While we're on Connor Gallagher, can you work out if, do you think Tusebi actually likes him or not? I don't see him as a player who's going to be playing for Spurs for too long. Just because him playing in that kind of aggressive number 10 role, as he did in that Villa game last season, was a good solution with limited resources. But I think you want better, more suitable players for that position. Whether that comes in January or next summer, I'd probably want to be able to. it's kind of hard to see where Gallagher fits in behind Tonali, Fernandes, Benton goes up to the side of the season really well and then there's Bergwijn and Gray as well.

39:51It's just, yeah. It doesn't feel like he's got a long-term future. Maybe I'll be wrong. Maybe they'll end up with another manager who loves him. Actually, you know who does love him, don't you? I guess. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That guy again. So maybe that's what happens.

40:08Jack:All roads lead back there, don't they? Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. But no, I don't... Like, he seems like a really good player, but I always think when you're saying that about a footballer, you are kind of about to say their shit. He's got a nice dog, you know? Yeah, I mean, right, exactly, yeah. So no, I don't think he's going to be, like, first choice at any stage, and that inevitably means he goes relatively soon, I suspect. I've got to say, like, you know, I was not overly impressed with the signing of him. It felt, for a regime that are so desperate to prove that they're not like Daniel Levy, it felt like an incredibly Daniel Levy move for us to sign Conor Gallagher when we did.

40:49Jack:But you know, the funny thing is, I actually thought he was really good against Forrest. Yeah, it was his best game. It seems to be one of those games where lots of the takes were, grr, Conor Gallagher was awful today. I don't agree with that at all. I thought he was really, really good against Forrest. and I'm not his biggest fan but he plays for Spurs and all that so let's get behind him as I guess the narrative would dictate so right now obviously we had the Nico Williams handball thing which is again as sort of situations surrounding Tottenham has turned into a talking point people sort of incorrectly weaponising clear and obvious VAR intervention when it's actually a handball and quite clearly a handball over the line to score a goal there's no conversation there but Houston Reveaux asks have you ever seen anything as crazy as the Keith Hackett meltdown over the Forest handball he agreed with the decision on Saturday and has then spent Sunday to Wednesday rabidly criticizing the goal being allowed he has tweeted about it over 25 times and then denied his original saturday stance um those posts are still up because he doesn't understand twitter and they can delete them uh he has gone on to even insinuate that the tactical video proof are ai generated um the one from behind the goal that actually shows him yeah and i guess on this as well um andy perry has also said that you know do you think the coverage around the club and refereeing that we're enduring now is getting to breaking point um and somebody does need to step up and get involved in this because do you think because james look you are a spurs fan but i know you have to sort at times for your job take a step back and try and deal with things a bit more objectively than perhaps a throtting at the mouth youtuber like i has to are we too precious as Spurs fans or is the narrative around Tottenham because it's constant from Neville from Carragher from these type of voices it feels like anyway the Spurs are always in the crosshair and are always treated differently doesn't it I'm not uh I'm not going to kind of say that there isn't an issue but I do think Spurs exist like right in the sweet spot in terms of being like the least successful big club basically you might say so you're kind of there in the eye of the media storm like i know from experience of like the numbers here at the athletic and one you know where i've worked before like the like the kind of hierarchy of the clubs man united arsenal liverpool then it's sort of chelsea and spurs and then kind of man city newcastle some of the others after that like that in terms of like interest that's that's like global that is the that's the hierarchy and three stratified those first three are like way ahead i think people kind of realize that but like if you're saying i'm not suggesting this is all of it but there's definitely an element of like if you take the piss out of spurs you're going to get more kind of social traction or clicks or whatever because the interest is there from all these other fan bases that you know they're going to be interested in that they're going to want to kind of engage in that so i can kind of see how you end up with a situation where Spurs do actually cop it more than anybody else but I would also say when Arsenal were bad the stuff they were getting on social media and those kind of media outlets that are kind of half social media like TalkSport is almost basically like this now, it kind of exists mostly on social media rather than radio, it's like that kind of the stuff they'd be getting would be absolutely nuts and you were an Arsenal fan in 2020, 2021 or whatever, you'd think the whole world was against you because it probably almost was um and that was a slightly different point from the refereeing thing but i think that is worth saying uh that decision in particular i think is i'm i'm bewildered by the response to it and i do think part of it is people just need a thing to talk about on a saturday when there's loads of games and this was the big controversial moment involving one of the big clubs but to my mind and i said this on view from the lane the start of the week Like, they haven't just guessed it's handball.

45:08They've made, like, an educated assessment that has hit his hand. Like, the angles you can see on BAR, you can see one arm is out, the other hand is up in front of him, and the ball is coming across. Like, you look at that and you think, well, it's almost certain the ball has hit one hand or the other. Like, there's nothing else that can possibly, there's nothing else protruding there that the ball can have hit to then deviate into the back of the net. It's not like they've just, like, tossed a coin and said, heads, he headed it. they've made a proper assessment of what's happened. So I understand this idea that they didn't have conclusive proof, but I think you quite often not have conclusive proof with VAR.

45:45Sometimes you're going to have to make a call anyway.

45:47Jack:I do feel like it's getting all a bit Ministry of Truth. I think the handball stuff I do find preposterous. I guess my biggest concern really is how much, even on a subconscious level, does this again play into decisions down the line for Spurs? And look, this stuff is all speculative. I understand that. And I know we can't sit here with our tinfoil hats on and talk about how there is this grand conspiracy against Spurs. It doesn't always mean that it's a concentrated, active effort to stop Spurs from getting things. You just worry about every single time somebody sat there on the VAR, are they thinking in the back of their head I don't want to be the guy that everybody is talking about this week because I gave Spurs a penalty.

46:35Jack:Because Spurs haven't had a fucking penalty in however long now. Yeah, they haven't had a penalty away from home since it was Harry Kane that won that penalty. So we've changed Prime Minister twice since then. And how many managers have we been through since Spurs? Like four? At least. I mean, it is mad. I mean, I do think it's sort of, I mean, one of the most obvious points on the penalties thing, like if you're a worse team, you have the ball in the box less or around the box less, and you're going to win fewer penalties. Like to not win any in that time is obviously nuts. So I can definitely see there being like rationale for a decrease there.

47:13I do also think it's kind of a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy in as much as when you're bad, referees kind of, when they're making these decisions, and this probably shouldn't have liked the VAR, but I think it should maybe apply to referees. you're making a decision two players going for a challenge like do you think the good player and the good team has done something well or is the bad player on the bad team messed up and fouled him and you know got in for a challenge as a red card or given away a penalty or whatever so I can kind of see how like referees would subconsciously favour the better team and the better players or as they see it and and I think like that does kind of stack with who gets penalties over any given season I know that's a bit chicken and egg because obviously the more penalties you get the more games you wish sure but um so i think there's a bit of that i mean whether there's some grand conspiracy that we don't know about i mean yeah who knows i mean i i this came up and like halfway through last season and i remember asking on view from the lane and asking the listeners like how many penalties do people think we should have had in that time like specific instances where we should have had a penalty and we didn't get one and at that point there hadn't really been that many and off the top my head i mean i like properly really really egregious ones what can you remember any i'm not saying there aren't any but i mean there definitely are a few that i'm now trying to

48:35Jack:think about i mean we got one just the the other week didn't we was it newcastle uh oh yeah sorry that is true yeah yeah 10 days ago good point yeah that was that was pretty bad to be fair um but yeah then again like if you if you know if they'd won 10 penalties last season and 10 penalties the season before like does the referee think oh it's this player being fouled I know it's Marmo she's a new player but like would they think oh this player's this player's gone down he always gets fouled he always gets penalties this is a penalty either he doesn't go over 10 because it's marginal like I do think part of it is like that you know AVB spiral of negativity kind of thing that was a blast from the past um um who's Sid for 20 asks, is Mudrick our worst ever loan signing?

49:23Jack:Worse even than Andy Booth and Fraser Campbell. Where are you at on Mudrick? I'll say hands up. I'm actively probably quite annoyed about the Mudrick signing. I'm not really on board with it. I don't think it's something that a serious club does. There's my feelings. Every game day, you show up for your team. Now, it's your time. We Go V! We Go V! Ask your prescriber about We Go V. Semaglutide Injection 2.4mg, a GLP-1. Call 1-833-4-WEGOV or visit wegovy.com to view the medication guide and to learn more about We Go V. Why wait? We Go V! This message is brought to you by Apple Card. With AppleCard, you earn unlimited daily cash back on everyday purchases, like groceries, merch, or tickets to the game.

50:21Plus, it can be used anywhere MasterCard is accepted. No matter your team, no matter where you shop, AppleCard is here to help you tackle game day. Apply in the Wallet app on your iPhone today. Subject to credit approval, AppleCard is issued by Goldman Sachs Bank USA Salt Lake City Branch. Terms and more at AppleCard.com. I mean to that question taking it literally you can't answer that question until the end of the season I can talk about my expectation which would be I mean Andy Booth was quite bad and barely played Campbell was bad and scored a few goals though I can only cut him against Liverpool sorry I just don't I don't understand the kind of vision there the best case scenario is Spurs get this guy fit and sharp and that can't really possibly happen until like the second half of the season and then maybe he has a half decent second half of the season and then we send him back but we send him packing back to chelsea fitter and sharper and worth more money than he was in the summer just gone and we've had kind of some all right football out of him i just don't really see a world in which he's going to get back to like his best and i don't think people have kind of forgotten how how much he struggled at chelsea when he was fit when he first went there.

51:37It was awful. He was like being, you know, people were saying, this guy is just quick, he can't, controllable, or he doesn't, actually he won't say controllable, but that's not fair. But his decision making is bad, and he's kind of been shown up by being put into the Premier League. And like, if he's massively reliant on pace and he hasn't played football for two years, like what do you expect to happen? It's going to take quite a long time to get back to that level if he ever does. It just feels like, I know people are talking about it as like a low risk or risk-free thing with this alone. But I mean, as we've established, as a player, they've not registered to register this guy.

52:12Like, would Richarlison have made a better contribution in the first half of the season than Madrid? I mean, what a question, man. I mean,

52:21Jack:look, why are we always 17? Well, I mean, an even more awkward point, I feel, and I've been arguing this all week with various different mates and stuff, is that for all the pelters that Mattis Tell got, after the Forest game, he still looks like a footballer to me. Mudrick, in my opinion, when he came on against Forest, looked like a bloke. I just, I just, and I know, and people say, well, he's been out of the game for 20 months. Precisely. Like, exactly my point. Like, this should not be our problem. As you say, we've just finished 17th twice in a row. We've been trying to build a new squad this season and we kind of, we ended the transfer window.

53:00Jack:And this isn't some tantrum. It's not a tantrum about Ndi, who I wasn't really even that, asked about either if I'm brutally honest it's not some tantrum about Spurs signing Mudrick to me it just again it just it just makes me worry about the club and just not doing things seriously I just I just don't see in any world because like you say the guy's been out for 20 months before that point he was abject he was he was borderline abject at Chelsea he was terrible He showed pretty much that he wasn't suited to playing in the Premier League. And I know we all kind of want to imagine that Roberto De Zerbi can somehow get hold of this player because he once said he can win a Ballon d 'Or or something.

53:42Jack:But, you know, I'm sick of seeing Spurs languishing around the bottom of the table. I'm sick of seeing Spurs not winning games. And doing stuff like this, making a signing like this, to me, still represents the type of decision making that Spurs have been making over the last few years that have led us to the sort of season that we had last year and I just I don't I don't think that's that bold I think there's there's only so many times we can continue to say because I can hear it already I can hear the voices that are saying it's just a loan deal it's not that deep what are you getting so bothered about but it's like how many times one of 25 senior players they could have in the squad one of those places has been taken up with this guy who is very possibly not going to be fit for at least the first half of the season i mean correlation or causation whatever how many times are we going to sit there and say well spurs did this stupid thing but it doesn't really matter and then we go and finish 17th or disappoint everybody again don't win something deserve he walk doesn't you know last more than a season or to the end of this season anyway because of these type of i know it's it's kind of doom mongering this but it does that bothered me that the mudrick deal did bother me and to me it was just representative again of i guess at the start of the window when you're seeing these sort of people say tottenham are operating like edward woodsman united right they're they're being ridiculous 100 mil for tonali 50 mil for van hecke chucking money out on what people perceive to be fairly mid-range players i don't agree i don't agree with that necessarily i think tonali is a good player but whatever that's it's a separate point but then so when you're sort of rallying against that and then you do a deal like the metric run right at the end of the window i just it's it's hard to really make a sort of a a strong argument that spurs are serious and are operating differently because i just i don't i don't see the positives i don't see the positives in a deal like that versus and i know he's miles off really versus giving mikey moore more time than having midrick there i don't if you give mikey moore the minutes and he develops or doesn't at least that's like potentially putting in a situation where you're developing a player that you can sell if you want or need to this is like and i know they've sent him out online and that is still kind of in play but this is yeah this is just doing that for someone else i mean i don't believe i've got this massive scouting department and all of these people that you know have access to all this data and they've been talking about how they want to do things using data in previous windows.

56:20And all of the players they've signed have been from the Premier League, including this guy. I mean, most of you must be pulling their hair out, surely. If you work in scouting or data or recruitment or whatever at Tottenham, you've probably been sat twiddling your thumbs all summer. Because what do you need to talk? Yeah, well, who knows?

56:41Jack:I've sort of lost my arse a bit there, but why not?

56:48Jack:two sort of points that are related here so MJB Hotspur asks what do you think Kulisevsky's best position is in the De Zerbi team when he's ready to play and Matt Sipola says given the current squad who would you like to see as the attacking players especially the 10 he says I feel like we need Savio Solanke Kudis and Marmouche in the 10 Sop Kudis and Marmouche start scoring some goals I mean two sort of similar questions I mean I guess to put a finer point on it, James, when everybody's fit, how do Spurs line up, I guess, in the midfield and beyond? Yes, it's tricky because there's so much we haven't seen.

57:26People are talking about Kudus as a 10 and I know he's played Defagana but we've not really seen it at Spurs. People have talked about Marmusha as like a second striker or a 10 and there's definitely some stuff that I quite, in theory, like the idea of, but you know the way it is with these things. you kind of need to see it a bit to see if it actually works. I mean, Savio, there's been all this chat about how he struggled in the city because he played on the left, he's come to Spurs to play on the right, and now people are saying, oh, actually, should we play him on the left because they're not signed Gakho or whatever.

58:03So, yeah, it does feel like, despite committing to spend a lot of money on it, if you include my mission online, it does kind of feel like it's a little bit of a mess still because I just don't think you could save any certainty who would play in any of those like four positions even if everyone's fit I mean if Kulazevsky comes back and he looks I mean this is obviously a massive hypothetical Kulazevsky was like back to his best I almost think he's an 8 rather than a 10 that's the problem it's like he's probably not going to play out wide in this system I don't think

58:40Jack:I mean I still kind of I still you want him in the team somewhat he's just obviously somewhat better than what we've got otherwise I've just got this feeling that he's just done mate Kulosevsky you know I just I can't see it right now and I really hope I'm wrong I really hope I'm wrong I just I just can't see it I think I've written him off in my head now already to be honest yeah I mean they're like positive noises for what it's worth that's good well yeah we'll see I guess but yeah I mean if we kind of discount him on that basis this suggestion of maybe this is more in the immediate turn rather than when everyone's fit this suggestion of Marmouch on the left Solanke as the centre forward Savio on the right and Kudus as the 10 I think that's like the best way that those pieces all slot together as things stand then I mean whether Madison comes in even when he's back it sounds like he is also kind of knocking at the door again um that's a different question but that that kind of strikes me as the only way you can really do it because i like i mean i think i kind of take your point until and i know you defended him quite a lot but it does feel like he might benefit from like not being an automatic starter and feeling that like agree pressure of that like if you've taken out the team for a bit and i haven't been in rotation again I think that might be quite a good thing for him just I mean just to clarify I don't think he was good against Forrest I think he was bad and I don't think he's been very good this season it's he looks like he's in his own head a bit um yeah and I appreciate I mean he started pretty he did so well in pre-season and like I mean I wouldn't say he was great at the back end of last season but he kind of was doing okay and I you know he gave away that penalty against Leeds and whatever, but he also scored in that game and kind of looked fairly composed for the most part.

1:00:35But yeah, for whatever reason, he just feels... I don't know, maybe it's just feeling like he's not the right kind... I don't know whether he feels or isn't the right kind of winger for the Zerbi, possibly. I don't know, but it feels like a bit of a shame.

1:00:49Jack:Let's close it off on this one, James. So we've been asked, basically, how's Danny doing? Have you heard from him? How's he feeling about the start of the season? and I think everybody would everybody obviously wishes Danny well and hopes he's doing alright I think people can probably guess what Danny Kelly thinks about the start of the season I've heard from him a bit I mean obviously you know he's had he's had a pretty tough time I mean I think he's shared some stuff on Twitter over the summer in the last few weeks about how the complications that I think he's had with some of the stuff but yeah he's kind of kept us abreast of his take it's quite weird to think we've not done a podcast with him since De Zerbi took over.

1:01:32So if Oji will drop these messages into our WhatsApp every now and then, he doesn't really seem to tweet about Spurs that often, but he does drop the odd message into our WhatsApp. I don't really have a read on what he thinks of De Zerbi. So maybe I'll ask him. Maybe I'll ask him what he thinks. He was definitely, he was infused by the Savio signing. I've definitely told you that much. And kind of concerned that Spurs hadn't won a game after going behind for however long it is. years now I think probably. It's a long time. He would have some big takes on penalty conspiracies and that handball thing and whatever I'm sure.

1:02:07Jack:I would imagine, I can hear Danny off on one probably as well. He definitely would have gone about Mudrick actually. Mudrick, yeah exactly. That's what I was going to say. Yeah, I would have liked to have heard that. But yeah, sending you all the best Mr. Kelly. And James, just to close off, what can we expect from the Athletic in the coming days? big story about the Serbia getting sacked oh shit nah it's just there's loads of stuff on the Athletic get involved and like and subscribe view from the lane on YouTube as well please I'll see fully YouTube can you go on someone else's podcast and do that is that unethical I think yeah no I think that's alright you can cut it out no I wouldn't do that I'm not that competitive James thank you very much mate appreciate your time thanks time.

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