Spurs Squad Worries, Levy Reality Check & Kane’s Strange Interview

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2:17They say, Some pass. Kane takes it down and does what he does. It's a celebration against his former club. Hello, everybody. Welcome back to Rule the Roost podcast. Welcome back for a new season. I mean, I say a new season. I spoke to you maybe a week or so ago on this, Phil, but for the sake of the magic of podcasting, it's a new season. Hello, Phil. How are you doing? Yeah, all right. It is a new season, isn't it? And we're all filled with such positivity and encouragement, aren't we? Going into it again, Jack, as always. It's always like wipe the slate clean and learn from my mistakes and go and do something good.

3:02I do want to say up front, right, I actually am on a certain level filled with quite a lot of optimism about this season. And actually, I'm really looking for it. We've spoken about this before, Phil. I can't remember if it's on the pod or off it, but we've definitely spoken before about that gets to this point in summer where you've been crying out for the season to end at the tail end of it. But you get to a point in summer where you're like, I want the football. I almost, I need the football back. I need that kind of structure that it provides to my life. I want it back, you know, and I'm there.

3:36Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean, it is how I kind of live my life or sort of track my life around, certainly week to week. I'm like, what was I doing Wednesday? oh hang on so I must have been at home and I watched the game oh yeah so it's Thursday I did this and that just gives me a bit of like a tentpole to kind of work from right in my brain but without it it's just I don't know what's going on just kind of floating down the river it's just all zoom meetings and work deadlines isn't it that's what it is yeah yeah um but I am looking forward to the season being back I am looking forward to seeing Thomas Frank working with this group of young players but equally also you know I'm getting to the point of the summer where there is a creeping level of concern about I would say our squad depth especially now with the injury to James Madison um like where are you at at the moment mate because I don't even just from our conversations I don't get the feeling that you're in the kind of it's all a catastrophe Daniel Levy's done it again this is dreadful but I think we're all of a similar persuasion aren't we where we're like we could probably I think what's turned my head a little bit is the lack of a plan b quite clearly a lack of a plan b for the Morgan Gibbs White deal not working out yeah yeah and that's just it for me I mean you know and I think partly the fact that we suddenly felt like we were doing things differently wasn't it with like the kudos Morgan Gibbs White and then the Adam Warren stuff We all kind of got wrapped up in that a bit.

5:06And, you know, the Morgan Gibbs-White thing aside, the Adam Morton thing was just a weird rumour that popped up, but we all kind of got carried away with it. And then we've had to sort of climb down from that, you know, from our own expectations. But you are right. I mean, the fact that this has gone on now, the fact that we thought we had Morgan Gibbs-White signed, which was great, and then that's clearly not happening. And quite soon after it, maybe within the first week of that not going ahead, it did feel like, oh, actually, this feels like it's probably not going to happen, right? the fact that we haven't pulled the trigger on our apparent second choice target makes Morgan Gibbs-White just feel like another opportunistic one rather than part of this big sort of strategy, you know what I mean?

5:49And that's what kind of has sort of bugged me a bit over the last few weeks, as you say, and, you know, compounded by the fact that Madison's now out for the majority of the season, probably. And then we watched the Bayern Munich game, which, you know, you take a bit of it with a pinch of salt, right? It is still pre-season. We know not to get kind of too wrapped up in what pre-season looks like, especially against a team like Bayern Munich. But that being said, there is still kind of concerns about our attacking quadrant or third of the pitch, right? We just don't seem to have much there. So it's just, yeah, that just hangs over things a bit.

6:21And I think part of it is, you know, a lot of us have kind of reflected, not to kind of jump around too much here, but a lot of us have reflected on the fact that Sonny's gone and he was here for 10 years. That's a long time, you know, in our lives. you know the fact that you know we reflected this like what 25 of my life pretty much and yours that he was there and when you put it into that you're like wow that's a long time and I think that that age element comes into it where again you're kind of going into a season where we haven't really sort of pulled the trigger we haven't really got much of a plan it seems you know we haven't kind of made the season are we just kind of repeating the same sort of mistakes that was my kind of point at the start of being sort of tongue-in-cheek but there is something in it as well right um that being said you know again everything that sort of happens in pre-season football wise you do have to sort of as I say take with a pinch of salt and the fact that we've got Burnley at home as our first game is very very helpful for us I think I am still disappointed that we haven't seen this kind of or seemingly haven't seen this um Super Cup game that comes first obviously on Wednesday has a massive opportunity to us to kind of put a marker down after the success of the Europa League we haven't kind of got our squad in shape and now it just seems like we're going to wait until the end of the season like we usually do to again kind of do some deals as opposed to just kind of pushing the envelope a little bit so that's where I am with it again I'm I'm not sort of um massively um cat or cat or cat or catastrophizing got there in the end about this but again it is just a bit annoying isn't it when you just think can we just kind of can we kind of just get rid of this kind of weight around our necks a bit and just kind of go for it a little bit not I don't mean go for it in terms of you know pulling together a squad that's going to win the Champions League and the Premier League within one window, but also just, you know, just kind of let's, we've won something now.

8:08Let's build on it. Let's show some intent. I just don't think that's really kind of coming through, right? It's one of these things, isn't it? And I'm not saying this as a criticism of anybody that does get very well. Look, who am I? I'm not acting like I'm on some of this holier-than-thou pedestal, but it doesn't wind me up that basically summer after summer after summer, we don't do the thing that we're all crying out for, which is the big exciting signings. We generally tend to make fairly conservative smart. They're not small. They're not insignificant signings. And I think it's disingenuous to suggest that Levy doesn't spend money, that Spurs don't.

8:50We're one of the Premier League's highest spenders. but the flip side of that is that those those facts those that balance sheet can be very easily contorted to fit a certain narrative which is you're all getting kind of wound up about nothing we do spend money and there's there's there's sort of like there's two half truths that exist within this aren't there the truth is our Spurs do spend money but we don't spend money in the same way that the other top clubs that we apparently aspire to be rivals with do quite simply and that's more often than not in wage spend we know that um you know Arsenal are always very glib I always see Arsenal fans being very glib about we don't spend loads of money look at us we're uh you know we we operate so well but their wage spend is always ridiculous it's always massive um and another point you know another thing i was actually thinking about the other day is uh when you consider kind of bale modric kane son among many other players i sort of look at us and i also think they haven't really like saka is kind of the closest thing they've had to a superstar player in quite some time probably since thierry henry they haven't they're they're their floor is often like higher than ours i would say but they seldom really have actually any star play no i'm kind of i'm on i'm on a bit of a tangent here i don't need to really talk about arsenal and stuff but the the point is more with spurs that we do spend money we don't go in for those sort of glitzy big money transfers that i think we all want and there's a lot of talk about the stadium being a game changer again I don't know if Levy ever called it a game changing thing I'd like I this seems to be the thing that we always talk about the game changing stadium and I don't I don't know where what the the etymology of that expression is if you like I don't know where that's originally come from I'm just sort of getting to a point in my most roundabout rambling way as I can here that is it an us problem now like because every single summer we get wound up about Daniel Levy not buying a Jokeres, not buying a Declan Rice, not buying a Sesco, not buying a Cunha and an Mbwemo, even though we apparently were in for Mbwemo as well.

11:23Not doing that a thing that Liverpool do on occasion. Yeah, I know they've not spent for a few years, but it was only a few years ago they brought in Van Dijk and Alisson and now they're kind of doing that cycle again. They refresh, they go hard, they go for the big targets. whereas we are as people reflect on in quite uh you know in quite a nostalgic and it'll be all right fashion well it's just like it was when we started under pochettino again it's like but so we just kind of have to accept that we've regressed a decade do we and the answer to that is yes we probably do because that is the way levy operates that's the way enic operate that's the way the club operates and change for Tottenham and all these people you like they they they fight against that they fight for the club to operate differently and more power to them like mobilize have your say do what you got to do you know but also I can't walk around season after season after season just being angry about Enoch and just being angry about Levy I'm sort of arriving at this point where I'm like that's just what they do and I don't like it and I'm not saying there's no problem with it and I'm not criticizing anybody that does have a problem with it but I'm equally just getting to a point where I'm like I can't be annoyed about this every single year do you know what I mean yeah and again sort of back to my point about um you know the sunny 10 year quarter of our lifetime sort of thing and I don't mean this in a kind of derogatory way to people as you say getting wound up because again we've got wound up in the past and still can be prone to it is it uh for want of a better word maturity thing and i say maturity not necessarily in a oh you know we're kind of rising above this it's just you see it so much and as you say you just arrive at a point where you're like um i cannot in my life at this age in this kind of you know my with the things that i've got going on in my life at the moment can i can i really expend that sort of energy on it and I think that that is part of it I think certainly for me right that I just think that you kind of get to the point where as you say yeah it is frustrating but isn't that just kind of what the model is and yeah you know that doesn't mean you have to kind of like it and accept it but you say it does just feel like that's that's kind of how we operate now you know you can say this about it's hard to use Man City as any kind of comparator but I'm going to Man City weren't a big club before they started spending loads of money right and right where that money came from is you you know, well-documented and the 115 or however many charges it is kind of hanging over them, maybe kind of scuppers it all.

14:03But you become big by acting big is my point, right? And we don't, we haven't kind of done that. After the Sun and the Kane era and all that, and the Pochettino times, we've contracted rather than sort of expanded, haven't we? And I think that's the sort of frustrating part because you're again, oh, okay, so fine. Yeah, this is where we are with Pochettino. I was like, well, I personally, I've done that. I've done that cycle. And maybe it is again, and maybe it is, you're just kind of growing out of it, for want of a better phrase. I mean, let's talk about Madison and what it means for the season.

14:37Then we can talk about Madison and the bigger picture sort of after that. Obviously, he's basically going to be out for the season. I think we know that. Kulusevsky is out for a considerable amount of time. So in my mind, sort of bearing in mind everything we've just spoken about, I think there's a difference between hoping for Spurs to buy big players in order for us to be competing at the very top of the table straight away under Frank. Levy said he wants to win the Premier League. He wants to win the Champions League. Why aren't we going for that now? And I think there's a real case here to be made of like, no, we actually just to be a functioning team, to not be in maybe a similar kind of trouble as we were last season, domestically at least, we actually, I really think it's quite pressing that we do go out for an Eza or somebody like that because like you say, you can't draw too much from that Bayern game.

15:42It is a pre-season friendly. Had we beaten Bayern 4-0 in Munich, we'd be excited, we'd be quite buoyant, but I think it would also be tempered with a it's just a pre-season friendly let's not get carried away so we do have to apply that logic the other way around we can't just say we lost 4-0 the sky is falling at the same time there were some learnings from that game and I think there's been some learnings across our pre-season games in that we struggle to create goals as we did at times last season when Madison or Kulusevsky or both were missing from the team. And that, that isn't going to go away this season.

16:22You know, we clearly, I mean, we've signed, we gave Devine a new contract, but sent him immediately out on loan. He's in his twenties now. What's going on there, whether we're just giving him a new contract, because we think he'll have some sell on value. We clearly don't fancy him as a player that is capable of stepping in and making an impact for us. see also with Donnelly. And I'm not saying this as a criticism to the players. It takes a lot to step up and be a big player in the Premier League. But it just makes me question, like, what are we doing then? Are we going to sit here and wait for James Madison to get fit again, to wait for Kulisevsky to get fit again?

17:02That's a large part of the season to just risk, really. And I don't think we should feel like we're – mate, we don't have Kane and Son anymore, you know? We don't have players like that that can drag us out of a tight spot, as both of them have done in the past. We need a team that functions now. And I'm sure there are other examples we've been linked with, the young McCarty from Manchester City, a number 10. We've been linked with a couple of different little number 10s, the Cuomo player, Nico Paz, is it, I think, is somebody else we've been linked to. being linked to Leicester's number 10. But to me, it's kind of like, I don't know, with Sonny, the selfish side of me is Sonny's gone.

17:52I want something to give me a lift. I would quite like Ezza because I think he would solve a lot of problems for us and he could be the guy for us. But I do, I mean, do you share similar concerns about the state of the team, the squad at the moment? Yeah, yeah. And as I say, we've just come off this kind of period, this era, should we say, whether it's the Kane or the Sun era, we don't really have the kind of fear factor player, do we? That's what's quite concerning. I mean, you're right, you've got Kudus and a couple of other decent players in there. And I will say on that as well, Berval has looked really rusty this pre-season.

18:28So there's no reason to think that when we start proper, he's much improved and kind of gives us that bit more sort of attacking prowess, right? So again, you have to kind of take pre-season for what it is. But yeah, there's just so many sort of unknowns. And the fact that we can't seem to kind of, we haven't been great attacking wise. We are just kind of now, we've now lost Madison. And, you know, I hate to say it, but another injury at this kind of stage of his career, he's going to lose a year. What is he, 27? I don't want to write him off completely, but it's not a good time to get a massive injury like that in a player's career, is it?

19:05So whether we're kind of waiting for him to come back and he comes back and he's not the player, then, you know, again, we've just wasted a year. and I don't want to again it feels bad because it feels like I'm kind of writing off Madison just because he's got injured but the fact remains suddenly we're without any sort of attacking cut through yeah I don't really kind of want to wait until Kuliseski comes back again because he's coming off a bad injury and a weird injury as well another one Solanke just got a knock or got a twinge of a knee might be back soon might be back soon and then it just goes a bit quiet and we know what that means because that's what happened a lot last season wasn't it we just oh it's actually worse than we thought and we're not really doing anything you know however the morgan gibbs white deal the 60 mils that say was structured we were obviously there ready to spend it whether we spread it over five years or whatever that's kind of beside the point we've now got another 20 mil off la for sun where's where's there's there's 80 mil sitting there ready to be spent isn't there i don't know i'm not an accountant but you just think can we not help ourselves out why do we have to kind of go into it tying one hand behind the back right that's that's kind of how I how I see it and you know I want to be excited about Thomas Frank and I am but I want him to be given the best tools to be able to succeed rather than this kind of you know as I said trying to do it with the hand up tied behind his back it's just it just yeah it's just it's just not the best way of going about things isn't it I think we end up signing And then it's El Canoos from Leicester.

20:36That's what it feels like. He's relatively cheap compared to others. I think his numbers look all right. Whether or not that's the kind of, you know, again, we're signing a player from a team that's got relegated, whether he's good or not. Does that raise off floor? I don't know, Jack. Do you see we're only 100-1 to get relegated, which isn't much, I don't think, is it? That's for a team that's finished 17th, right? which is probably about right without much money going on. I just can't just say upfront, I don't think we'll get relegated. I'm not saying that. No, I think we're in a kind of a Super League style structure where actually it's probably just going to be the three teams that come up are going to go back down for the next five years, pretty much with one or two others.

21:27I think that's kind of where we are now. I feel like that's the kind of the massive, you know, going on a bit of a tangent, but I think that's the kind of the change in how football is. And I think that's where it's seen the most stark, the difference between the Premier League and the Championship, that that's just going to be what's going to happen quite a lot. But yeah, it's just, again, it's just reflective of the fact that we, you know, we just haven't, we haven't done enough. Again, whatever the reasons are, we just haven't done it. I think what we do, what we do know about Enick on the kind of like the, the relegation or whatever note is I think if things do, look hairy come December transfer window January transfer window I should say sorry but if things look hairy come December we will spend money in a January transfer window to get ourselves out of that spot I think I think we know that about Enoch even if we're not forthcoming doing it this summer um you know there's still a few weeks to go that's the thing there are still a few weeks to go and it sounds like it sounds like we do have a legitimate interest in Eza but it feels like his heart is set on Arsenal for the time being from everything that whoever is saying about it

22:46we just yeah I think he's got a 20 something mil release clause doesn't he that's why I think again it's a deal isn't it we can do a sort of a deal Before the season even kicks off, soccer fans are already making predictions. Who wins the league? Who qualifies for Europe? And who's lifting the trophy at season's end? On Calci, America's number one prediction market platform, you're trading against peers in a live market, meaning there's no house. And as the probability changes, you can buy in and out of your position. For a limited time, download the Calci app and use code CUP26 to get$10 when you trade 10.

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25:15Good for him. did you see did you watch any of the press conference him getting unveiled again bits and pieces of it but i felt a bit i felt like it all became a bit too much for me to sort of take in you know i was just getting over the fact that i saw the three videos he put out one for you know the broad one one for the fans and one for his teammates i was like this is i can't really kind of cope with this to be honest i need to take a bit of a step back so i didn't kind of um dip too much into it in a kind of sense. I saw bits and bobs. I saw the woman saying to him that, you know, you're going to help us win the World Cup, which I think has probably been taken the wrong way a bit.

25:55I don't think she, I mean, again, I might be kind of giving them the benefit of the doubt over there, but I think that, I don't know, the way she said it, it was a bit like, it just raises football here and it helped. I don't know. Maybe I'm being too kind. I think you're being kind, mate. I do. I mean, she basically said, like, you know, remember we got the World Cup coming up this year and we want to win that. So just saying no pressure, but we'll support you to do what you can do. And I was just like, oh, dear. Oh, dear. Yeah, she's gone off script, hasn't she? Not a good look. But again, like I had people, you remember when Beckham went to LA Galaxy, right?

26:34It was huge news across. It kind of punctuated even people who didn't care about football. when I had conversations, certainly one particular conversation I remember with someone who was like, now that he's going to America, does that mean he can't play for England anymore? And I was like, no. But, you know, but again, we just assume that everyone sort of understands that I say intricacies, to my mind it's not, but, you know, it's maybe just not a common understanding that that's just not how it works, mate. It's weird, isn't it? it's funny like the that era of superstar that that level of fame just kind of pre-internet um obviously Beckham's tenure as did Liam Gallagher's and Oasis's tenure went on into the internet age but the fact that like when we were growing up basically every television channel radio newspaper magazine anything you opened would have something about like David Beckham or the Gallaghers in there, right?

27:38Do you know what I mean? Just that level of fame was something else. And that's what, again, this is tangential, but I just don't know if we'll sort of experience that level of fame again. But I do think the closest thing to that in the modern era is somebody like Sonny, who is just, he's just quite massive, isn't he? He's obviously in Asia, he's huge, but he's just, he is quite clearly a superstar. he's massive and going to the States is pretty big isn't it yeah yeah definitely and you know I think there's a huge like Korean

28:14what's the word I'm looking for community in LA so you know and I think that's really good for them and I'm not saying that's the reason they signed him I think again he's a good player for that level in his own right but but yeah yeah but yeah but what about Spurs what about Spurs and all of this where we oh god did you I'm going to find it now because I've got to say you know how I was saying I was all above everything at the top one thing I'm not above is the decision yesterday for the club to basically publish a like a they've put it Harry Kane exclusive on Polinia, Tell and Son. So I think the club decided it would be a good idea in a summer like this where we have lost Sonny and we've not been kind of forthright in the transfer market.

29:15I mean, I think they tried to, Morgan Gibbs-White, but still look how that ended up. Everyone's a bit tetchy and they decided to publish and I don't think it's been kind of uh wobble-headed to say a very misguided and frankly quite strange interview with harry kane um on the official website so basically kane's quotes in this are talking about sonny he's saying like you know huge congratulations to him go he'll go down as a spurs legend really pleased for him blah blah blah blah all that type of stuff um he said like pelini is great and Mathis Tell is good and, you know, he doesn't want to put too much pressure on him.

29:57And then they ended it by saying, finally a word on Harry himself and his new life out in Germany. Life is good, he smiled. It's been a great experience so far. I'm enjoying my time here. The family are enjoying it. So, yeah, looking forward to the season ahead. Obviously, this is a journey that started at Tottenham from when I was 11 and has taken me to where I am now. I'm appreciative of everyone who's been involved in that journey and thankful to the Spurs fans they've been a part of it it's like do you not like did nobody stop to like read this I'd like I don't know I might I might be too sensitive here mate but this is this is this is bizarre isn't it yeah yeah and I've got some thoughts on kind of how this has come about especially kind of the exclusive element of it right in theory every time a journalist goes to a press conference and asks and or Thomas Frank or Sonny or whoever, a question that they've, one of their two questions they get to ask, they answer it.

30:57That's an exclusive, right? Even though everyone was in the room to kind of hear it. Where did this exclusive come from? Was this, they managed to catch him in the mix zone after the game? Because that's the only time I've seen him speaking. You know, he's spoken to a few outlets. There's that clip of him where he mentioned Sonny and he talks about watching Spurs always, as it were. Is that just that? because calling that as an exclusive, I don't know, it just, as you say, it feels really a strange thing to do. Like it's kind of trying to sort of pull the wool over her eyes. He didn't come and sit down and be like, oh, Spurs are in town.

31:33Yeah, yeah, of course, I'll have a chat. It'd be great to catch up. It'd be great to speak to the Spurs fans and reflect on Sonny, you know, as a sit-down interview. I haven't seen that. I've just seen some exclusive quotes, which, yeah, again, it just doesn't put us in a very good light, does it? Does it annoy you on a level at all, or are you just sort of over it all with Kane and that? I have to say, it doesn't annoy me. I'm just a bit like, that's a bit weird thing to do, isn't it? Again, I can sort of see past it, and I'll be like, oh, great. Yeah, he's reflected on Sonny. and I don't think he really, I didn't need him to, to be honest.

32:14I didn't feel the need of like, Harry, why hasn't Harry said something? You know, I kind of know why he hasn't said anything up until that point. He's very sort of enthralled by the buying thing and whether that's right or wrong, whatever, fine. I'm focusing on Sonny. That's kind of my thoughts about it at the moment. Don't really need him to kind of come out and say something, especially when it's like, thanks Spurs for being a stepping stone. Look at me now. And then that being posted on our official channels, mate. if talk sport has said that to him i'd be like oh cheers harry cheers for putting us that but i would have understood it more right as as a story for them to kind of put that on we're still part of it we're still part of your story we're a few rungs down on it i don't know it's just not to sort of blow it out of proportion but again it's just not a very good look for us is it it's winding you up more we're talking about it i hadn't thought about it until you mentioned it i saw it yesterday and I read it and I was like that's weird and I read it as you know professionally in some regard I read through it and I was like oh that's weird and then you start talking about it start riling me up like you always do I was fine if I didn't do this podcast I'd be so relaxed about Spurs I'm always like oh what are we going to talk about today and then as soon as it kicks off oh bloody Daniel Lee you got me again I'm like do you remember like at the end of Fantasia the night on Bald Mountain all those like little demons like dancing around and all that type stuff it's me it's one of them do you know i mean just like how can i how can i how can i get at phil today i know i need content yeah i need to get in rather i don't want someone to be i want the clicks i need to be above it all i'm the one that starts this by being i am so above all this but here's a really inflammatory yeah phil mate do you want to uh do you want to jump on yeah I'm gobshite to fill the void of it.

33:58It's, yeah, I just, the thing is, because like you say, I'm not wound up about Kane anymore. I found it sort of, like you say, I found it a bit weird that he hadn't really said anything publicly to Sonny, but equally, you know, he's a professional, he's an adult, he probably speaks to him in his own time. It is what it is. Like my life doesn't hinge on whether or not Harry Kane says something. In saying that, it did make me pathetically happy on a certain level that he actually did sort of publicly put out a kind of gushing statement about Son because, you know, I'm a simp at the end of the day.

34:36Yeah, and the fact that he did it after the game that we played just shows how kind of, I wouldn't say maybe not nervous is the right word, but I think he's very sort of aware of not upsetting Bayern because I think they're that sort of club, aren't they? it feels like that they're very much no you can't you have to drive a volkswagen you can't drive anything else or whatever it is they're the center of the universe aren't they yeah you've got to toe the line at every opportunity you've got to wear these leder hose and you've got to do this beer thing you you're you're a buy and play and nothing else is relevant to you and you know again i haven't seen it source i haven't seen michael alice talk about palace but then i wouldn't see that right so i just think that um that that's that's what it's about really you know and he He spoke about it when people shoved microphones into his face in the mix zone.

35:25Do you lament at all the sort of... Well, let's say I don't lament whatever you're going to say, but I'm going to, aren't I? Once you put it to me, I hadn't thought, whatever it is, I didn't lament it. No, but after you say it, I'm going to have lamented it. But anyway, carry on. Just them, their partnership, that it does have this kind of bittersweet thing to it that like Kane because an element to it from Kane I think we kind of don't like to give him on that human level is that he probably is quite sad in a certain way that he didn't win anything at Spurs that he jumped ship that he's gone to Bayern and he's got to make the best of it now because it's where he is and he's got a good chance to add more silverware and all that type of thing but do we sort of maybe not give him enough of a pass to think there probably is quite a sad bit of him that's like, that's kind of annoying because Son is being held up as this legend and I'm the one that gets kind of pelters even from Spurs fans now.