The Imminent Savinho Deal, Romero and Spence's Goodbyes & Micky's New Deal

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1:41Jack:hello one and all welcome back to rule the rich podcast phil did you uh did you have your colander

1:47Phil:out last night trying to catch a glimpse of the eclipse um i where i am there's so many massive buildings um i couldn't actually see it and i couldn't be able to go downstairs to the one patch of land across the road to to do that with my colander so no i watched it on bbc uh live news channel um when they had the camera in focus and and set on it it was good to see but uh no i didn't i mean i this what was the one in 1999 like a full eclipse yeah so i saw that one so 96 percent or something i don't get out of bed for more than 99.9 percent

2:28Jack:mate right seen it i think you're gonna have to so we're both in our 40s i think i'd seen that we're gonna have to live till like our late 90s to see another one now so that's that that's kind of one of those fleeting moments in in time that has passed us by i mean yeah i might if i if i live that long to see it i'm just going to look directly at it yeah why not yeah like the woke sheeple aren't going to tell us what to do if i want to stare directly into the sun i will i used to do that back in the day um everything everything now like i'm so i'm gonna i'm gonna dive everything now has to just be some sort of do you see what are they called um um olivia olivia dean and uh sam fender right they broke the number one record right and no time at all again it got turned into like a left-wing right-wing like cultural it's just a it's like a pop rock ballad in what on what basis decent because it's all in our day this song wouldn't have made it onto the yes it would the fucking mr blobby song was number one when i was kid do you know i mean rightly so might i add or yeah fair i i know i i forget you're a block you're mr blobby stan me and tom foyne that's why he talks to me all the time there's some transference

3:46Phil:there pink blotchy big lad it's some kind of like comfort it's suddenly becoming clear to you like

3:55Jack:the clouds yeah just repeating the same thing over and over again yes there are quite a few parallels So, I mean, I would say as seldom as an eclipse, this is a really bad segue. We've been talking about Savino for a really, really long time. Maybe I'm going a bit big leading with this up top, but it seems to have turned a corner. It feels like most of the ITKs across the board, Spurs and non-Spurs, are basically saying the deal is now done. Spurs are going to get this done for 70 mil plus add-ons. What are you thinking, mate?

4:32Phil:It is one of those things where if this came out of nowhere, I think people would be more excited about it. But because it's become one of the, you know, sort of a saga, then I think people have kind of had more time to pick holes in it. But at the end of the day, again, I'm just going to default to the fact that if De Zerbe wants him and he's happy with the deal, then who am I to kind of question it? I do think that there's a bit of an unfair criticism on him based on his outputs at City where I don't think he's had you know he's not really had a proper go of it and I think that's well documented so we might not be getting the same player in that sense it might there might be a bit of a you know an improvement period for him while he kind of gets into the swing of playing week in week out but I mean and the other thing there's no other players is there unless they're 150 million like Barcola and players like that.

5:25Phil:So yeah, I'm really happy with it. Again, I'm sort of just, as I say, trusting that if De Zerbi wants him, then we should do everything we can to get him.

5:35Jack:I think there's a couple of interesting things to unpick there. The City one is definitely, you know, a pretty big one, we would say, of somebody like, let's take Jack Grealish, for example, a player that I think we would have all been delighted had Spurs signed at some point, a player that until he got injured went to Everton and immediately looked like their best player looked like that kind of Jack Grealish that everybody fell in love with but like you say if you were to base it primarily on his time at City appreciate he was a part of the treble winning team but he was always kind of on the periphery under Pep Guardiola and it felt like you know he was the type of player that Pep Guardiola as he liked to do was deconstruct a player he would always be i think the thing you would say about pep right is he would always be lured to a player by certain key attributes that they had you'd imagine with somebody like greelish it's his close control it's his kind of tenacity his overall sort of technical ability what he doesn't want is all the flair he doesn't want all the kind of the the mercurial stuff on the outside so he would always kind of destruct a like deconstruct a player and focus on certain attributes of them It's obviously been an incredibly successful formula for Pep Guardiola, but I would also look back on them and say, has there been a single Pep Guardiola-Manchester City team that I would really look at and say, I've really enjoyed watching them?

6:58Jack:Them beating Arsenal, them beating Arsenal to titles, Liverpool to titles and stuff. But have I ever really, like you would begrudgingly to a certain degree, look at somebody like Fergie's Man United and think they are a quality football team they are brilliant Wenger's Arsenal a brilliant football team playing fast free float yeah I know I know but this kind of so look anyway sort of going too far down that rabbit hole somebody like Savino because he hasn't made the grade under Pep Guardiola and again making the grade is that even a fair way of looking at it that doesn't mean that he's not going to be able to come to Spurs and be one of our best players again, right?

7:39Jack:Like in that same way that it was with Everton. There's a certain, there's actually almost a certain level of kind of pomposity about that to think, well, a player that didn't make the grade under Pep Guardiola in his kind of, you know, out the back of his treble winning side is not going to be able to be of any use to Tottenham. It's, you know, there's no point thinking that way, is there?

8:00Phil:No, no, exactly for the reasons you just said there about Pep Guardiola. Certainly in these kind of more, the later seasons, it seemed was, I mean, again, it feels very sort of churlish to try and criticise him. But it seems like it just in the respects of Savinho and players like that, that he just kind of, he was overly specific, let's say. And if a player doesn't kind of match this very sort of specific way of playing, then he's on the skid. So again, I don't think that necessarily reflects badly on players. As you say, if they don't make it at City, then it's not the end of the world. There's still a player potentially in there for a lot of these players.

8:43Phil:So yeah, again, I think it can be really good for us. I think that it probably needs, as I said, a little bit of time to get used to playing with Indeserbi's system, which is not as specific as Pep. It still has its kind of functions. but yeah I think it's a really fun play and I don't think we've really had one of those for a while I mean Kudus yeah but and you know as soon as he kind of went out the scene look what happened so I think having and another thing is having both of them on either wing is really dangerous.

9:15Jack:A sort of player that I've seen tenuous comparisons made to is Aaron Lennon I think a lot of people are sort of fancifully saying oh he could be our new Lennon that sort of bums off seats player and I think there's probably an interesting comparison to be had there past that in so much as Savino One of the big talking points around him is his end product or lack thereof, especially when you're boiling it down to pure data. And I feel like Aaron Lennon was one of those players where he was often just defined, at least by non-Spurs fans, by this data, this real sort of surface level data anyway, as we had available to us back then, which was how many assists has he made?

9:54Jack:How many goals has he scored? Not that many. So he's therefore useless. But I don't need to tell you, like the impact Aaron Lennon had on so many games for Tottenham was back then anyway immeasurable. You would probably, I don't know, there would probably be some sort of metric now to probably better define what Aaron Lennon was. But my point is that there's still some of these players that probably fall into more of an eye test category where we will see the pressure that Savino exerts on a defense. the way in which he pulls defenders out of position constantly opens up the game for other players that yes may well not be reflected in 20 plus assists and 10 plus goals every single season for him but we know what is is of a huge benefit to to Tottenham and the players around him right

10:42Phil:yeah yeah and there's lots of there's as you said there's lots of kind of ways to look at someone being successful um and I think that there is a definitely a parallel with Aaron Lennon I mean this this end product thing what winger has like good end product and i know that sounds like a weird thing to say but what's the benchmark is my point right and i know this sounds like maybe making excuses for aaron lennon but it always feels like quite a a simple thing for aaron lennon or a criticism against aaron lennon to say that he didn't have much end product it's just i don't know i don't know if it's kind of relevant that overly relevant as a criticism because he was exciting to watch and you know given the last season or two that we've had just kind of won

11:23Jack:a bit of that as well you know Lennon also came at a time right where if we think it's sort of bad now back then that's when Spurs started to sort of you know yole Spurs started to actually get good Spurs for the most part in the Premier League right had been a dud they'd been a team waiting to get relegated really and then we suddenly started to turn into a good player and Aaron Lennon was one of probably those transformative figures for us where it upset the established order a bit didn't it for a while suddenly spurs having this player who was lightning i mean remember how quick he was back in the day that sort of lightning fast player that was just such a disruptive force um and you could see back then that so many defenders didn't know how to deal with him i guess sort of one of the parallels i would draw is that i don't think we should be pissing on this deal right i think spurs we need to we need to sort of look we've had the lull in the transfer window right i get it we went big early and that was all very exciting and now we've had a lot of time for the dust to settle on that and everyone's getting a bit kind of you know getting a bit itchy getting a bit antsy about it right if we're adding like you know we're spending again going out spending 70 million pounds on an exciting brazilian winger i think we sort of just need to don't we just need to get back to like a bit of a place mate with football where we're like that's cool that's exactly and like do you know i get it i know people will scoff and people say such a Yadar opinion.

12:45Jack:I don't think it is. I don't think it is like Yadar to think, we should just be excited about this. We should be excited about this momentum, what this represents, because what is going to happen, the point I was sort of driving at with the outside voices is, they're all going to be pissing all over this. They already are. They're already all pissing all over Tonali and Fernandes and Van Hecker. Every single big piece of business that Tottenham do, they're going to be pissing on, right? But they're doing it because they're scared because Spurs are finally spending money. Spurs are going out and getting these deals done.

13:16Jack:So they need to turn it to something else now. They can't use the old trotted out lines. The Spurs aren't spending money. Spurs aren't backing managers. Levy's tight. Levy's a penny pincher. All that sort of stuff that they like to chuck in every single summer. Now, now it's Spurs are spending their money stupidly. Comparisons with like Rizdale's leads, all that type of thing. You know, it's all kind of coming into this pot, isn't it? I think our job as fans, genuinely speaking, is just get behind this. If he's not exactly the player that you wanted, understood. That's just kind of life. But he's the player that, as you said, he's the player that the manager wanted.

13:53Jack:He's the player that the club and the people that are willing to spend a lot of money have wanted for a couple of years. We've brought him in, hopefully. Fingers crossed. Let's just get behind. I've been really sceptical of it at times as well. I've not been leading the charge for Savino. but I'm just like I say I just think we've got to we've got to enjoy football like we have to we have to try and enjoy it because there's no point otherwise there's no point to it and if we are getting to a place where you can't get excited about spending 70 million pounds on a Brazilian winger who loves fucking running at people loves running at defenders twisting and then turning them inside out what's the point you know yeah yeah and the fact that he really wants to come

14:32Phil:here as well which is a really good sign if we were signing someone who you know wanted to stay at city or wherever and was sort of being forced out the door and like had to pick spurs because it was the best option available we might be the best option available to him but he seems dead set on coming here which i think is a really positive sign as well and that tallies with deservely saying you know he only wants players that want to play for play for the club so yeah another another positive and as you say I just I just really kind of want to go back to enjoying it because last season particularly the last few months of it were awful awful stuff and I just it has no place in my life if it's going to be like that and you know this over analysis of everything and the you know stripping all the joy out of it it's just not really what it it's just made me realize it's not what I kind of want to be as a football fan so yeah you can just decide to kind of look at it positively and enjoy the the good things that happen let's let's let's sort of dig

15:31Jack:into a bit of that mate you know we're talking about deserbi and we'll take these one at a time because i think there's two distinct and very different conversations to be had about top them's two big notable outgoings christian romero got the here we go from fabrizio romano last night 40 million euros to atletico madrid that's probably about 250k a week off of our wage bill as well when we kind of lament the low fee and it is a low fee I would probably say how do you feel about it all mate?

16:02Phil:In a word delighted I just wanted him gone I wanted the whole circus gone the fact that we got 40 million euros yeah a little on the low side but I think that it's either that or kind of you know selling to someone in the Premier League for a higher premium no one seemed to be in for him there was that talk about Arsenal but I don't know if that was just kind of rattling the cages a bit um you know 40 million euros and a what a 12 % sell-on fee for what is he 29 yeah he's a world cup winning captain or has won a world cup world cup finalist he's he's trouble mate and i'm just so glad that we're we're done with them and he can go and be someone else's problem he'll probably behave himself you know completely at atletico because you know he probably respects him more just the amount of disrespect he was showing to us over the last couple of years you remember he did that um interview yeah on in our training ground about wanting to play in spain like what these are the things that we've got to root out of the club right both as fans and kind of the um the leadership that we have to just start building a respectful environment because these things are damaging to us this idea of spursy right which is a word that sprung up from us as fans to kind of you know dr tottenham ha ha then it became you know a a internationally recognized phrase that people are using to batter us this sort of thing it's all part of the same thing as far as i'm concerned raise the standards get rid of people who don't want to play for us get rid of people who think that they're better than us and and move on with players that want to be here and you know that are proud to wear the shirt because he didn't seem to be you know him another thing him crying what was it against wolves when he was like sobbing his eyes out when he did no sorry sunderland when he did his knee you just knew that he was crying about argentina you know in the world cup and all right i get it from a professional sense but it just i just i just had had enough of him had enough of him not prioritizing us and you know thinking he was better than us and all that sort of thing so yeah very very i'm delighted he's gone he did just sort of treat us like a bit of an afterthought and i've just it doesn't work for me if i'm honest when people make that

18:10Jack:comparison with us doing a day job you know they always say it's just a job to them they don't care about it it's like yeah they do yes they do they do care about clubs they have the capacity to care about clubs and let's not pretend that they're pushing pencils as uh you know as arnie said in predator like they're they're it's it's a game that yeah is about heart it's about emotion and i just i think i my hot take my sort of hot take on all of this is i think romero leveraged the fact that he could kind of slip through the cracks of probably a club and a support system that was very conscious of supporting players in terms of like i think romero probably used the national team cards to his advantage at times it's really important to me it's part of my culture as an argentinian and i've heard a lot of fans say that as well kind of oh you know it's it's really important to them like speaking about like argentinians like they're an alien species like hello like it's the national game of england as well right and when harry kane and all that lot would say you know whenever harry kane would say oh it's the biggest privilege for me to play for england everyone was calling him a gammon and all saying that you know he's this he's a tory he's that he's like it's the same fucking thing like so this kind of pass that romero this kind of pat on the head bigotry or low expectation shit that everybody always extended to him oh because he's an argentin they're not like feral beasts that can't be sort of told no we'd rather you didn't go out and play in a you know a pre-season or not like a mid-season kind of international friendly could you maybe kind of continue recovering from injury here like maybe like is that but I just think I think part of this I think with there's two things here right I think there's a player that really didn't extend us enough courtesy I should have led with the club side really because I think the club the club have probably been too nice I think the club have not wanted to ruffle feathers and i think the club have also been scared of the fact that christian mamiro has been and i still probably think is until he actually leaves the club officially one of our best players um i know he's frustrating and i know there's a lot of caveats to that but if we're talking about like peak of his powers when he's actually on it when he's at the races he's one of our best players and i think the club have wanted to always try and get the best out of him and have been very accommodating to that and i think the last throw of the dice on that was making him the club captain.

20:39Jack:It was a real kind of, to me, it was that real statement of, look, you've come out and said what you've said about us at times. We've taken that on board. We're going to try and spend money. This is a kind of new era for everything. We'll make you the captain. That's an acknowledgement of your ability. That's an acknowledgement of us knowing that you can step up and handle this. And he just didn't. He basically spat in all of our faces when we gave him that. and I know a lot of this stuff gets a bit mawkish and I know a lot of this stuff can get tied up in sort of silly tub thumping fan stuff but like I say this whole game is about emotion it's about heart that's what makes it different from you know I love going to sit and sit in the cinema and watch whatever the Dune films or one of the Marvel films or a Batman film or whatever but at the end of the day like it doesn't get me in the same way that this does doesn't get me in the same way that something like Ajax does where I literally like Glenn Hoddle said when he saw it I'm so happy to be alive to have seen this this moment like this means something and it will always probably until like if I've got another 40 50 years left on this planet to the day I die it will probably still always be able to send a shiver up my spine you know here's Dele Alli here's Lucas Morton you know like the second you think about that I'm like that's it so it is different and to pretend that Spurs fans aren't going to be upset or frustrated with Christian Romero for the way in which he is treated what is a great privilege this is a sacred thing to us the captaincy of the football club that we put so much of our heart and soul into for him to just wipe his ass with it in the way that he has done bloke's a fucking disgrace you know he is he's a fucking disgrace he's a terrible professional he's a selfish prick and like you say I'm glad he's out the club that doesn't mean i think everything that he's done is terrible he's one of the reasons we probably got the europa league over the line and there will always be a part of him as someone that's got some argentinian heritage that will always be in love with the idea that we bought a big aggie aggie center back in there's so much about that that i loved and there's so much about him that yeah you project some of your own whatever onto somebody so i will always have a certain love and admiration for him in a certain way but as a person as an individual i think he's been a total disgrace i think he's been a total disgrace and an embarrassment and i'm i'm just i'm i'm glad he's gone like you say and do you know what the thing is i feel like i've had so much this almost like bottled up but i've not really even realized it fully until he's gone and now that he is actually going i am suddenly like fuck him do you know actually fuck him fuck you because this is this kind of goes past just a petty squabble with you and the club and oh they they promised you that they were going to spend money on a strike or all this or that

23:21Phil:fucking get on with it mate get on with it you know yeah i mean i i i i think people gave him a lot of credit for when he came out and spoke against the board i think you could probably look back on that given what happened since then and take that to be that that was a completely self-serving thing from him and he was more annoyed that he wasn't allowed to go to atletico at that point and they were just told no and those were the promises that were broken he just kind of dressed it up a little bit so yeah I don't buy it completely unprofessional the fact that he was our captain he wasn't he you know he thought it was okay to not be present at the last few games of the season it is an absolute disgrace and you say now we can kind of look at it now that he's kind of you know we've got the the images of him the photoshop images of him in atletico shirt and looks like it's done that we can just you know finally kind of just get rid of it you know i i

24:17Jack:think part of it part of the way like i know i've obviously sort of lost my ass a bit there and i've kind of blown me top a bit thinking about it but i think it's partly because you know this arsenal stuff that came up a lot of the talk being that you know his people had sort of you know had whatever clandestine discussions with arsenal and their hierarchy i didn't care i did like i i didn't care i wasn't and you know you know we've been having conversations about it i it wasn't maybe it was coping on a certain level and i think i would have definitely been fuming had it gone through but really i mainly just thought good because now we can really speak about him in the way that we want to and it's also a sense of it's a sense of validation that he didn't care about us

24:59Phil:he didn't care about us yeah all our suspicions were proved true if he if he did go there i mean And, you know, I was of the opinion that he would be wherever he's going and probably the only place probably that doesn't it isn't the case is Atletico where he's just going to get away with it and whatever. But if he'd gone to Arsenal, say he would have become their problem as opposed to their asset. I think I was dead against that again. That was maybe a couple of days, wasn't it? When that was floated, just the concept of it, the optics of it, let's say, look terrible. that's why I was like he absolutely cannot cannot go there despite all what we've just said and stuff like that about his his attitude and the disrespect I just think there was something else at risk there with the club that we you know again we're talking real sort of hypotheticals here but the that was why I was like absolutely not just selling for 20 million if so I know again it's not my money so I don't care but this idea that we can't we cannot just kind of do this again we cannot have that narrative again as much as it's you know there might be a good reason why we want to get rid of him we cannot have that hanging over us we need to raise the floor of that sort of thing so that's why i was kind of just dead set against the idea that's probably the right answer

26:11Jack:you know the like you say the optics everything like that around it would have made it like not worthwhile i think i was just in that burn it all burn it all down in terms of the relationship with him forget about it and we can all make our judas banners for the north london derby and have a real real fiery affair but what would have been even worse is seeing him actually screw his head on and become actually probably a really good player for them under Arteta or something you know just whatever it's gone

26:41Phil:Screaming in Kinski's face or something like that at North London no

26:45Jack:just don't want it I think it would have been one of those mate like back in the day remember when someone ran on and tried to punch Frank Lampard and all the Chelsea players gave him a kick didn't they I wouldn't be overly surprised if that elicited, you know, if Romero started doing all his kind of shouting in people's faces stuff like he likes to do. But look, yeah, I think the main thing is we have had players who have had their ups and downs at the club. Porro, van der Ven, two examples of that who didn't always shower themselves in glory at times last year, but have committed themselves to the club.

27:19Jack:And I think, I'm not going to say so much of van der Ven and we'll talk about that one in a bit but Pedro Porro in particular I just think there was a it doesn't feel fake with him I think Porro probably knew he could have had his pick of many clubs this summer but he's committed his future he's probably committed the rest of his future really his career unless Spurs get a mental offer from somewhere for him from Barcelona who seem to be apparently interested now the past couple of days which maybe they didn't get the brief that he signed a new contract this year or something if we don't get a massive offer for him he'll probably you know go on and be one of our sort of main players and I think he said didn't he I think he said at the point of signing it I think he acknowledged the fact it's not been a good couple of years and he wants to he feels like he owes the club something he feels like he owes them something and that is just that's everything you want from a player isn't it that's completely let's forget about it let's have a clean slate from now you obviously love Deserby and Deserby obviously is going to love someone like Pedro Porro and the thing is out the back of the World Cup now you're suddenly looking at maybe the best player in the world in his position which is kind of a crazy thing when i think we've always known paro's a really good player but we've perhaps had a nitpicky relationship with him his tracking back's not good sometimes he leaves a bit of space in behind and that type of a thing but then you sort of open it up into well the managers he's had for the past few years really prioritized his skill set probably not does the manager now prioritize it absolutely so are we going to see that guy that absolutely terrorized us when he was playing for Sporting remember when we played them in the was it Champions League or Europa League can't quite remember probably Champions League but he tore

28:55Phil:us a new one you know yeah yeah yeah and I think that you know it's quite easy to forget because I think we don't necessarily want to revisit it because it was it's been so brutal but some of those back lines that we put out with him as the right back all over the place you know that the injury crisis during Andrew's got the second half of Andrew's last season you know just it was and defensively as a unit we've just been an absolute mess so yeah I think you're right I think they draw a line under it it's a clean slate and he's making all the right noises um and again as you say as a as a um comparator to Romero and the way he's treated us then this is exactly what we want have you seen

29:37Jack:Porro's like champions return thing no I just saw it just saw it pop up I haven't watched it yet I

29:42Phil:had to unfollow him on instagram in fact i unfollowed all sports players because i'm 43 but i uh i was just like this i can't i can't deal with deal with any more of these happy family pictures again that's not it's not not a criticism of him like but i just like this i can't you know this uh what am i doing why am i looking at this happy families phil i'm happy for him but i just i'm like do what what what am i doing with my life you know just it's just another existential crisis mate brought on by seeing someone perfectly happy because he's just won the world cup he's got a beautiful young family they have nothing more to it than that

30:18Jack:at least you're not replying to them all lovely lovely family pedro you know yeah yeah all that like people so that type of thing yeah it's really nice it's nice and it shows you that the club uh you know clearly suddenly realize they've got a real prize asset on their hands and they want to keep him happy right um yeah it's quite all of you line up and give him a good clap like when he gets here make him feel special um let's talk about jed spence jed spence has also gotten the here we go treatment from fabrizio romano inter milan i think this one is 35 million euros or is it 25 million euros there's some good i think it's closer to 25 than it is 35 25 million euros i think there's add-ons potentially um somewhere along the line kind of a surprise but then also not a surprise is that a fair thing to say i think when i first heard that like spurs absolutely want to like world cup sort of the dust settled a bit and then the news started to filter through spurs absolutely want rid of jed spencer's summer and it was like oh hang on what what we did why do we want that but now yeah is it a surprise um there's two ways of looking at all this i've got half a brain

31:26Phil:working on one element of this and the other half working on the other where on one side i really kind of wanted the sort of romance of the you know the the redemption arc of it right the he's come good he's you know he's fallen out of favor all the managers but he's finally kind of stepped up and now we've got this asset and you know everyone in england loves him because he's one of england's better players at the world cup and you think and then suddenly you hear here oh no we're selling him you think oh that feels like a bit of a mistake but then if you look at it logically he's clearly not in the manager's plans he doesn't want to kind of play back up and probably nor should he so he's maximizing the summer that he's had and that's fine and simply in terms of a fee if no one else was willing to pay any more for it more from him then more for him then that's what he's worth right i think so it's just kind of balancing those two things out you know he became a bit of a fan favorite which helps kind of mask some of his uh uh failings or kind of the the weak parts of his game let's say so but I think again it's just part of this this this what is Spurs actually trying to do they're actually trying to be serious now so that they don't want to just kind of cling on to these you know as much as we say you know football is about emotion and stuff I think we have to kind of be a bit cutthroat about it or maybe not cutthroat but again realistic and if he doesn't want to stay and play backup and he wants to go to to Italy and no one else is in for him and Italy or Inter are only going to pay a certain amount then it's good for all parties you know I made this point elsewhere that if this was under Levy then Levy would have slapped a 60 million pound tag on him priced him out of a move and if he's not in the manager's plans he'd been used sparingly his value would have dropped off and then we would have sold him for like 10 50 or 10 mil let's say in a couple of years time this is a better outcome than that so I think that you could take it as an example of us right in the wrongs of this situation that we got into over the last few years which is you know what the Lewis family have pointed at so I think wishing well you know don't have any ill will against him if he doesn't want to stay and you know be a backup again he's not in the manager's plans it's kind of a moot point anyway so yeah good luck to him glad he's not going to a rival in a Premier League either as much as that might have lost us a few million quid but no one's really in for him then there we go do you think

33:50Jack:the do you think we have had a bit of recency bias with him i will say i've always i've always liked jed spence i've always been kind of as i always say on here a fan of like many of the things that he brings to the table but i would say he's far from perfect i think there was a level of hope that came with some of his showings at the world cup that he might be able to transport some of that form or even just those moments from england to tottenham that it might see him step up his career or something like that but that i guess in itself is a level of it's not even like recency bias it's like a level of like recency based hope isn't it that that he might before that world cup i doubt there would have been an awful lot of conversation if say prior to the world cup intermelan signed jed spencer 25 30 mil we'd be like okay i'm kind of get it let's hope we let's hope he signs them back up it feels a bit sharper now doesn't it because of because of those