The Spurs Squad Audit | Keep, Loan or Bin? Backing Roberto De Zerbi (feat. Baker)

31:52Jack:12 Sycamore Road and get a synthetic blend oil change with tyre rotation for just£29.99. I can't lose a conversation that I had with, do you know a guy Josh Williams who does Liverpool content distance covered is his Twitter does like their Redmen TV does some of the Sky stuff. I think I know who you're in, yeah. He's incredible. He's really you know, I'll be quite frank, it's quite hard to sometimes listen to some of the Liverpool guys in terms of they're very pro-Liverpool but he is as good as they get in terms of any club guy you could be. But when they sold Trenton, he actually was really, really big on them.

32:33I know this guy. Sorry, Trent Piller. Really big on them going for Porro, saying basically, the only way you can replace the unicorn is with another unicorn. and it was the first time where it was really interesting to think of hearing somebody that's not Spurs almost refer to Porro as a unicorn player like where it is actually just quite a unique guy and since he said that I was really surprised at the time when I was thinking I'm not even sure we like Porro like I think Porro well I think he's probably one of those guys that gets quite a lot of hate sometimes in your group chats and stuff like that.

33:16Like, there are many times I've looked at our chat and seen the word fuck off, Porro used on the meet.

33:23Jack:But you know what, mate? People revise history. It was the same with Walker as well when he was at Spurs. Yeah. You know, he can be incredibly frustrating. But that's exactly similar to what used to happen with Trent. Whenever Liverpool didn't win, you used to see this. Look how many times he's lost possession. It's like, of course he has, because he's literally consistently trying to progress the ball in a dynamic way that actually the opposition find difficult. It's too easy to get in behind him. You know, that would always be the thing with Trent, wouldn't it? Yeah, yeah. And once I started thinking, because it doesn't naturally to me translate that Trent to Poirot, but once I started thinking about what you start to notice is the pieces that he covers for.

34:12And if anyone watched Liverpool last season, what it massively exposed is that you've got a midfield free there of, you know, when you've got Graven Birch, you're like, oh, OK, actually, Graven Birch, he's box to box. He moves with the ball, but does he actually dictate and actually, you know, progressively pass the ball in a way that's creative? no McAllister is more runner than anything else like in terms of the way that he plays and you're like actually their whole midfield is suddenly so much easier to play against because they don't have Trent and then they brought in a replacement in like Frimpong and you were like well this guy doesn't do it so then what Liverpool have had to do because of the amount of frailties that it's almost exposed in the rest of their team is start playing Sobber's Light Sobbers have been their best player.

35:06So I'm like, we'll still have to play Sobbers like right back because we need somebody to be able to make that, be that playmaker from deep. We'll start playing Curtis Jones out there. Curtis Jones is one I wouldn't mind us. Actually, another Liverpool guy I wouldn't mind us going in for.

35:24But they've had to find other solutions because they lost this unicorn. And I'm like, I don't necessarily think that we want to be a team that loses that unicorn. Now, I think it also brings problems because he's been incredibly available for us. But there was a period, you know, earlier in the season, what was that, about November time, where he did have a little, maybe it was three, four games out and so forth. And when you don't play that, it's such a dynamic change from having Porro dispense. But maybe we can start doing that a bit more when you've got different guys in front of him. We should also just remember that go to that right wing column, Kudus, Kulusevsky, Odebeer, he's had a raft of different guys in front of them, not been able to rely on any of them, not be able to create that partnership, where it's you stay, I go type world.

36:16Mwani as well, you know. Mwani as well is, I just think is, once you let that guy go, there isn't a natural replacement out there for Poirot. There are very, very few guys that can do what has that skill set that he has.

36:34Jack:Do you think in contrary to what I was saying at the top, do you think in a vibe sense, it almost sends the wrong message as well to let him go? Do you think this is a time for Spurs to be like, do one Man City? Like, no, we're not selling to you. We're going to keep him because reasons that you've outlined there. He's good. And we've been playing him 60 games a season. Do you remember? Now, we... 60 games a season, you know? And we're likely to play no more than low 40s next season, depending on how well we do in the Carabao and the FA Cup. But even then, he's going to have some rotation in those ones.

37:14So he's unlikely to play more than maybe 41, 42 games. He's going to be 20 games better off. I was never a Hoiberg fan. I was never, ever a Hoiberg fan. But we knew that Hoiberg, when he wouldn't be playing 60 games and was suddenly playing 40 games, would be a better player. And guess what goes off to, you know, Lee Goon has been... If anyone's looked at Hoiberg's stats for the years that he's been gone, you're like, I wish we had Hoiberg for the last three, four years. I have seen people actually say that, so, you know. And that's with a guy that I still don't want to have back. Well, Porro is a much better player than Hoiberg was.

37:55and a much more important guy. I just think, let him have 40 games and he's just not our problem. And actually, if there was a raft of creative midfielders in our team and ball playing, deep line playmakers, sixes and eights that we knew were really comfortable on the ball, fine. Other than that, I'm like, don't sell Porro. Right, you've won me round.

38:21Jack:Okay. a compelling argument Jed Spence versatile good you know a lot of questions why has he gone to the England camp well you know he can play left and right back he's not really scared by big occasions he's a pretty tenacious player he believes in himself it's quite obvious to me why despite his form being somewhat stuttering for Spurs this year it's quite obvious to me why a national team manager would want to take him He seems like the type of player that's absolutely built for a big tournament. So it makes total sense to me. He's somebody I'd definitely keep. I wouldn't look to move Spence at all.

39:03Jack:I think his versatility has been invaluable to us at times this season. What does he think, though, if he does start? What if he becomes one of the stars of the World Cup and plays right-back, right-wing-back for Tuchel throughout this and we win the World Cup? And then it's like, do I come home and be the understudy to Paranodogi? I do wonder whether there's a really big stock is high with Spence this summer where he might try and push himself out for a move. we've got him under contract till 2029 so there'd probably be decent value there wouldn't there I mean it would be Premier League wouldn't it it'd be Premier League he'd be going to I think it depends how well he does like I said if he announces himself on more of a world stage type stuff then there's plenty of teams that may be interested in him I think he would I feel like he would believe in himself that he could go and play at that big stage like he would I feel like he would look at guys like Anthony Gordon doing his press conference in Spanish last night at Barcelona that was surreal like Anthony Gordon is a Barcelona player so I don't think it's ever off the table for these guys now it's good you see him at a AC inter type I sort of feel that I mean he's already played in Italy before hasn't he so I'd sort of wonder if there's a natural pathway there yeah um so you're saying you you i mean what would make it what would make it attempting off a few if it was a maybe sell oh i think if someone came in with like 80 million quid then i think we should be thinking oh so you're talking big money you're not talking about email no no no no no no no no we'd have to be it would have to be over like 50 million quid i think to say to to sell someone like spends because why would you again just really good talent can play both sides there's no reason in the world but but is there a number where suddenly we're like we're not a good selling club maybe we should someone comes in with 60 million i think we should be really thinking about it you you might be able to prove me completely wrong here and please do um but i feel like there's so few players with spencer's level of versatility about nowadays it feels as though players are coached so specifically from such a young age now that it's quite rare to find a relatively young player who still has a level of versatility and seemingly is comfortable.

41:47Jack:I mean, I know there's a bit of a culture war within Spurs. I don't know, who can imagine? With him playing out on the left, but I always think it's a bit overstated. I don't think there's a massive drop-off of him when he plays on the left. If anything, I tend to think he often looks a bit better on the left, but whatever. So we're keeping Joseph. Well, I guess we'll put him in maybe sell, but the caveat has been that if it's big money, right? If he has a good World Cup, there's big money there. He is a backup option at Spurs, really. I think you're not going to start him ahead of Porro or a doggy, really.

42:28Jack:so if there's good money there then I guess you would sell him under those circumstances right? Yeah. Rosewell I mean loan right he looked I can't remember when he made his debut but he looked pretty competent but you know you want to see a young player go out on a loan right don't you? That's kind of an easy one. Destiny a doggy I can't really see anybody buying him for the money that we'd want given his injury history. And it is frustrating how much he breaks down. But when a doggy really gets into the swing of things, you start to see, right, Jesus, like that's the player we fell in love with immediately.

43:10Jack:Like he's, I do think he's an incredible talent and we are so much better when you have a full swing of doggy, like going down the left, because I think in both a defensive and an attacking capacity, he just seems to excel. I obviously don't have the data to back that up, but eye test-wise, I just think he's a brilliant player. There is the frustration about him always being injured, but if we're doing it in this squad audit sense of selling him, well, nobody's going to really spend the money on him, are they? Agreed. With those injuries. And we've just got to look at this as a pair, really, I think, in terms of saying, can Udogi and Andy Robertson be 40 game season manage the minutes appropriately so you know do you take a doggy off on 70-75 minutes all of the time tell a doggy all he's got to do is play 70 minutes he can trust it but we've just got to get him hopefully in a position where he trusts his body almost to an extent and then I think we'll see a really confident guy and as you say 40 games again next year-ish like whatever 45 games or so who knows um it's a difference isn't it um Andy Robertson I mean look I mean I guess we might as well just turn it to keep now because we've just signed him so he's not going to go anywhere um just more how do you feel about it mate there's because it's obviously divided opinion um quite a lot but an older guy's very successful but an older guy is it still within the model that Spurs have perhaps incorrectly played by the last few years, which is signing established household names that maybe aren't that good?

44:55Jack:I think that's a very harsh reading on Andy Robertson, to be honest. He's probably one of the best Premier League players of all time when he was in his prime. I think to suggest there's nothing he could bring to the team is not really fair and not really true. I doubt it's going to be our only signing of the summer, right? I don't want to be. Look, obviously doing my FPL content, we talk about Robertson on a repeated basis. And three years ago, I said that Andy Robertson is the worst person on earth.

45:33And so people remembered that. And as soon as we were linked, I got a million tags in. Oh, God. but there was a lot of things that I think that people took from it so I think the words I basically said was when you watch Robbo that Robbo does Robbo things is what I said is that there are certain things which you kind of know he will always do like he will leave his foot in as somebody goes to cross the ball or clear the ball he will he will get in the face of of players he He will aggressively shepherd the ball out or shepherd players out of play that are out of the wing. Like he, his mentality, his ability to look the opponent in the eye and think, I'm going to leave one on you early and do stuff.

46:23A lot of dark art stuff that he does is one of the reasons why he's been incredibly successful for Liverpool. You know, this is a guy that the first time he had the opportunity to get him with Messi, like went straight into him, you know. And I just think, look, if there's one thing with Destiny that I think we've, a lot of people think is one is always injured, but secondly, he can be a little meek at times. And then sometimes he's actually just over rash in some of the challenges he makes. And I think Andy Robertson is just a perfect guy to pair with Destiny as he's, you know, combative as a player of Destiny.

47:10And I think Andy Robertson will teach him incredible. Like, he is so much better suited as a mentor for Destiny than the gentle Ben Davies is for him. That if you take it that we replace Davies as next on the list with Robertson as the guy that is pairing his minutes with Destiny, then it's profile-wise it works. Mentality-wise it works. I really like it as a pair.

47:43Jack:Ben Davis, I've spoken about him a lot on here before. You know, I think he's much maligned and I think he's always been a good player, a good servant, clearly loves the club. A lot of stuff has come out toward the end of the season from Roberto De Serbi, talking about the effect he has on the squad, his leadership, you know, capabilities, all that type of stuff. It feels like there's some, probably some truth to the sort of stuff going around that the club have one eye on him being a sort of coach, having a pathway to coaching. So I can't imagine he's going to be going anywhere if that's the case.

48:26Jack:I keep him in the club as much as we can. yeah I we've spoken this year a lot about Spurs not having enough Tottenham people about the place right and I think Ben Davis is just a huge part of that yeah I don't buy that he's part of the mediocrity or anything like that um Souza I'd be probably open to a loan just like give him some time one thing Spurs like we talk about what Spurs can do better can we start doing Premier League loans because it feels like we're always like selling like loaning players to La Liga or to the championship and below I'd kind of like to see players like Souza cut their teeth in the Premier League to be honest they've restricted it to two haven't they I think that's all you can do now let me just check that for you is I'm pretty sure yeah two players you can only do two players out online so to the Premier League yeah so that makes it harder in terms of the ones but yes I think there is a good opportunity for Sousa it's just really difficult isn't it when you've got a guy who's really young from a different country where do you send him to gain this experience

49:57and I guess that's their problem trying to solve for him I think the other thing is we've seen some versatility from Souza and he is so young that I would want to see what happens with him in pre-season to say actually is there an opportunity for us with him to use him in things like the Carabao but the issue if you keep him and say well we'll play him in the Carabao and then you go out in the Carabao in the first round is suddenly it's like oh what do I do with this guy now he's going to get no development and they can just be so stunting so I think certainly if we've got one of the reasons surely to sign Andy Robertson is to allow Sousa to go online

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50:41Jack:I can't even click things probably Christian quite like this isn't it to still fallbacks and keep her yeah Christian Romero and Look, I'm going to say it, mate. I'm going to say Bin. Great player. Love him. But there's so much noise around him now. I don't think he's happy. I think there's really good value in him. He's only got a couple of years left on his contract, I believe, if maybe only one year left on his contract, perhaps. I just think Bin now. There's too much discourse around him all the time. Do you agree? I agree. Kevin Danso, again, I think this is a fairly easy one. I think Danso, he's been great towards the tail end of the season.

51:32Jack:I do agree with some of the concerns that he's probably not top class, but what I do think he's really good at, I think he's a very disciplined defender. I think his reading of the game is generally good. I think physically he is more than cut out for the Premier League. I think one of the main things I noted in the tail end of the season is that for years having Romero and Van de Ven at the back as a centre-back pairing, I'd gotten so used to us not really winning that many aerial duels. Romero better than Van de Ven, to be fair, but still, I don't think either of them are exemplary in the air.

52:08Jack:Danso really is. We were suddenly winning sort of aerial duels that I'd usually expected us not to. I think he was particularly good at clearing corners and stuff like that. So, look, I like him. I think he's got a great attitude. He seems like a good guy. It's a no-brainer for a lot. When you're building a squad, it's an absolute no-brainer to have players like him who is seemingly happy to be a guy at Spurs who plays when he is called upon and does it pretty well. And I think people are pretty harsh to him about the Brighton thing as well. So, you know, good play. I think so. It's about having the right guys around him.

52:48you know is if you look at Everton for example someone like Tarkovsky you know is there is very little difference in skill set like um and Tarkov's getting older now and getting exposed a lot more than Danso you know would in terms of terms of his physical attributes um but what it needs is the right guys you know is if you have if you've got people in front of them that are very willing to take the ball off him and play, then brilliant. The fact that he offers all of what you just said defensively becomes really valuable in that you don't have to rely on him. Don't have to rely on him to be the creator, like we at times have had to rely on Romero to be the creator for our team if you have got power outside him.

53:35It's just, he's a very, very valid option. And he's also one of those guys where even if he isn't the starting centre-back, is if you need to, you bring him on and he does a good job. So has to keep him. I can go. Dragosin, the next guy, can also go. So you're getting rid of Dragosin? Has to. We have to sell Dragosin.

53:59Jack:Make some money. Go, go, go, go. Get rid of that agent talking all the time. Vyscovic, I mean, obviously is one of the most exciting talents in Europe. feels like the club are probably going to keep him happy and let him go back to Hamburg for a year, let him play with his brother, such as his wish. Is that in the best interest of the club or not? I think the talk is that he signs a contract and then goes back off online. So as long as it's in the best interest of this, there is a world where Veskiewicz is the best defender in the world and we have him. and there's also a world where Vescovic is the best defender in the world and we sell him for an absorbent money and we never technically had him.

54:51Jordan Bayern Munich or somebody like that, right? I think that's the one, isn't it? And I think, look, as much as we all dream that we're going to see this incredible guy, I think there's also, I've just got a little bit of resignation, I just think we probably might not never see this guy.

55:09Jack:I kind of feel that as well and I think that's I know people get very defiant about this stuff and people say that's why we're not good because we accept this type of stuff but I think you've also just really got to understand that like there is a food chain you know like there just is and if there's an opportunity there for Spurs to if we're looking at this in a colder way if we're looking at this as some sort of investment we've bought this young player for I think we spent a fair amount on him 15 16 million for a kid but if you're making eight seven eight times that for again for a young player who might not adapt to the premier league you never know um but still if you if we get 80 to 100 million for somebody like him from a buy in munich or whatever look if we can invest that elsewhere and if the lewises make good on their promise that they are going to continually invest into the squad and prioritize sporting success then sometimes you just got to kind of you know yeah just got to take it don't you but so i i would i'll put it let's put him in trip him in maybe let's no let's let's sit on the fence let's put I mean, loan.

56:26Jack:Loan.

56:30Jack:Dorrington, look, you know, I don't think he's anywhere close to the first team, is he? I know he's been very highly rated in the past as a young player, but, yeah, I mean, we've not really heard sort of rave reviews, have we, from his loans or anything. So are we talking Bin or maybe? Let's be kind. Oh, you're going full Bin. All right. We've seen enough. I think we've seen enough. Malachi Hardy promising young player loan right that's kind of yeah we want to see what he's see what he's made of Mickey Van Der Ven where do you stand on Mickey Van Der Ven Baker I feel a lot better about Mickey Van Der Ven than I did a couple of months ago do you think Mickey Van Der Ven feels a lot better about Tottenham than he did a few months ago I absolutely think he feels a lot better about Tottenham than he felt a few months ago Jinkie's drinking from Deserby's Kool-Aid It just feels it.

57:26I would actually be surprised if he's not capped in first game of the season.

57:32Jack:Would there be that little quiver if Real Madrid said, here's 100 million euros for Mickey van der Ven? I genuinely believe if we should be a club where if people come in with 100 million, we should sell them. probably any probably any club should as well right when you're talking about money like that we should continually be we should be watching teams like Brighton thinking about the fact that they've continually done and sold and rebuilt we should be moving more towards that model because that's what Mickey van der Ven was in the first place right 30 something million a couple of years ago and now yeah one of the better players in the continent if not the world but we'll keep him though won't we for now Sanessi I've sort of gone on about him a little bit at the start of the pod but obviously we're going to be keeping him, he's signed but there's a shade of a young Jan Vertonghen about him, mate, the way he plays, the way he moves around, the way he can progress the ball forward if you like.

58:37Jack:I've seen some, well it was Kish was talking about his sort of physicality saying that there might be a worry about his pace or his athleticism I'll be honest, from the compilations I've watched I didn't really pick up on that but I appreciate that I'm not, you know, somebody that scouts players and I don't have that same level of knowledge in that field, but I'm really happy with it. Free transfer, I think, apparently on about 100k a week. Seems like a great deal for Spurs. We should know, though, like, he was 29 a couple of weeks ago, Marcus Nessie. Was he? Oh, God. 29 years old. I didn't realise he was that old.

59:18Jack:I had in my head 26. I think that's where I was. He's, you know, firmly, he knows who he is now.

59:31He replaced Dean Housen at Bournemouth as that left centre-back type role. So prior to that, he played mainly right centre-back. So in the previous season, they started it with Zabani and Sanessi were the centre-backs. And Zabani would play left centre-back and Sanessi would play right centre-back. And then Dean Housen came in. I think it was his Achilles he did Sanessi. I can't remember what he did, but he did it. He was out for like four months, season four last. And that's when Zabani and Dean Housen took that partnership. And then both of them go. So he then comes in, knowing that he's on a contract that was running out this summer, decides not to, you know, offered many times to renew that contract at that time, didn't sign that one.

1:00:27But they signed, so they had James Hill, who was very young, Bournemouth, and played mostly right back, hadn't played a lot of centre-back. And I'm not going to try and pronounce the Croatian lad that they signed, but Bournemouth signed like a 15 million quid, 18-year-old Croatian lad. And so I think he started the start of the season last season with that guy. They quickly moved it into James Hill alongside him, but he's really shown as a senior leader. He's played on that left-hand side because he can play both, but I think if you gave him the chance, he would rather play right side, which is a really more natural replacement for Romero.

1:01:09And he's like somewhere, kind of somewhere in between Dan Soe and Romero. What I think, you know, from an FPL perspective, Sonessi is absolute royalty because he, in FPL, you get points for defensive contributions, which are basically your clearances, your blocks and interceptions. And he is the most reliable centre-back in the league for achieving defensive contributions. He puts his body on the line more than any other. he does get rid of the ball quicker than most i.e. that he is not afraid to go long and just get the ball out but he's also an incredibly good progressive passer I think he made the most progressive passes in the league for a centre-back last season so he can ball and he can put his body on the line like it's everything we kind of want for a defender that.

1:02:15Jack:Takai, Phillips, Byfield, I've grouped them into just centre-back because they can all apparently play either left or right centre-back. They're also just sort of three young players. I mean, Phillips, I would say of the three, I would probably sell because, you know, he's been on loan forever, really. And played really well and should get good money. So, well, I mean, Biddon feels harsh, but still will sell him. Takai, I'd stick back out on loan again. And Byfield, yeah, let's give him a loan. He looked really good when he came in, but it's such a tiny sample size. Let's see what he can do, right?

1:02:54Jack:Playing more men's football. Which probably means we need another one. Yeah. It's not going to be enough, is it? No, we're going to make a lot of money, effectively, by these guys we're selling here. You've probably got nearly£100 million worth of sales there. across, you know, because of what we've done already, Vicario, Romero, Dragosin, Durrington and Phillips, you've probably got over 100 million quid there. I do wonder though whether we actually go for another experienced guy and try and bring someone like John Stones in. Yeah, well, that seems to be the flavour of the soup of the day. Where do they play?

1:03:33When do they play? Like if you're not next week. But yeah. So if we consider that Byfield is a potential coming through talent for us, and if we consider that Vescovic will be coming back to us next season, then we just need a stock cap guy for the season. I guess the question is, if we think that Byfield is not going to be a Tottenham player, and if we think Vescovic might never be a Tottenham player, then maybe we need a younger another guy that we thought Ash Phillips might be. as in somebody that is like 21, 22 that might actually be a successor here. Because Sonessi's not young.

1:04:19Jack:No, and that's been, that's sort of news to me. I wasn't really aware of that. Let's move on to centre midfield. I'm going to go punchy at first, mate. Bentancur, I'd sell him. I'd sell Bentancur. Yeah, I think he was very good towards the end of the season to a point. I think when you suddenly saw him compared with like Chelsea's midfield. And yes, I know that's 200 plus million pounds worth of talent that he was facing off against. I still kind of look at it and thought, right, that's, you know, he can't really dominate a midfield for us. He can play very well against, say, weaker Premier League sides.

1:04:57Jack:But when we're talking big games, if we're talking like a North London derby or things like that, again, I know I'm sort of again, flying in the face of what I said at the top about Spurs being less and mediocre at the moment. but I just feel like Bentenka is a player. Maybe we could get a bit of money. I feel like he's like obviously really injury prone now. And I don't know. He's just, I think he's one of the faces that I just sort of want to move past a bit. How do you feel about that? I would have him as a maybe sell in that. I then look at these, these, these other guys and i will go for red bin for basuma and sar okay do you want to uh basuma i agree with i'm interested in in sar and then but then you look at this and you're like we look quite weak now in terms of the number of guys how many central midfielders can we can we buy is the question um and so i think the benton curl one he would be a lesser priority than the other two.

1:06:03But Sumo, I think it is a case of this just probably isn't going to work. It's probably gone long enough for all of us that it's better for him and everybody, you know, in terms of if he just moves on. I just don't see a world, and I felt this from the second that De Zerbi joined, where Saar fits a De Zerbi team. I'm a little worried for Bergvau in a similar light in this box-to-box guy. You know, De Zerbe talked about Bergvau can potentially play like on left wing and stuff like that. Like, it's never mentioned about him playing centre midfield, really.

1:06:45Jack:We've heard about, like, Liverpool being interested in Bergvau, Chelsea. You know, if there's 50, 60 mil there, then you might be tempted, right? You might be tempted. I just think with Bergvau, he's shown me enough of everything that possibly... him and Gray have both shown me glimpses all over the pitch where they could play there. They could do that. They could do this. I think with Saar, we now, he's been with us long enough, Simons Bendica, that you know exactly what you're getting from Saar. I think he's fantastic as a box-to-box eight. He's an up-and-down vertical player. I'm not even sure there's many teams in the league that need one of those, let alone us need one.

1:07:31I think it's something that's almost been drowned out tactically in how teams are playing now. You look at them and say, who has a box-to-box eight anymore?

1:07:47Jack:I guess the only one I can think of is, would you say Rodri? Really? And he's like one of the best players on the face of the planet? But can be the best six in the world. can join in. He sort of joins more to become like, I'm going to join in against a low block type guy. But Sarr's no good against a low block. He is a man that's a transitional counter-attacker that will give you incredible energy. I just don't see it. And it just looks at this and you say, are any of the other players in any similar form to him Well, the closest is probably Gallagher as a guy that is a sort of up-down guy. And I just don't see a selling Gallagher.

1:08:33I just don't think we need two of them. So I'd be sad to lose because I've just always felt that he was going to be really good. He's done such a good job over time for us. But he's one way I suspect we could get 20, 25 million quid for him and we should look to take it. Fassar, yep.

1:08:52Jack:Tire Fassar. And Bergvall, we've got on the maybe sell if the right money came in. and, you know, if there's compatibility issues, it's Deserby's style. Archie Gray for me is, I know the jury's still out on him to a degree, but I think he's an exceptional player. I think we've definitely got to keep him. He's been exemplary in attitude and commitment for the team in the past few months. I just think it's quite simply that, you know, probably Deserby's come in with a fresh set of eyes and thought, this kid needs more time. he needs more time to develop and i say that to the point that a lot has been made of the fact that deservey came in played him once and then seemingly didn't really rely on him after that point um yeah but you know it's a you know the kids he's 19 years old you know like we've been playing him regularly since he was late 17 early 18 or whatever so you know it's what it is um ty hall loan right give him give him a go give him a go out and learn to see what he's made of um james madison again quite easy for me like i you know i don't think he's perfect there are worries about him you know and his how fit he's ever going to be again but right now where we're at he's one of our most important players if not for vibes alone um yeah i think he's got to stay right um javi seaman's again a player that i know people find a bit frustrating there might be question marks as to whether or not he wants to stay 100 % but again for me I want to see him get fit and I want to see him playing under De Serbi and see what he can bring to the table because I was really excited when we signed him and I think we have seen glimmers of what he's capable of and I want to see more of that.

1:10:44I think there's a strong chance for both Chevy Simmonds and Odebeer that we don't need to give them a squad number in August So when we're trying to look at this and think, how many guys do we need or don't need? So, for example, he might, Davies, we might have looked at previously and gone, well, Ben Davies, we haven't got enough squad positions for him, but he might actually afford us to be able to, say, for example, have Davies, you know, in the squad for next season, as potentially cover as a centre-back, as potentially just a guy around the squad, whilst and not give a squad number to Xavi Simmonds and Odebeir.

1:11:23because I don't suspect we'll see them before January.

1:11:26Jack:We'll keep those humans there anyway. Williams Barnett, now, the natural inclination might be to say loan, but if the guy is as talented as people make out, is he maybe one of those young players that we potentially want to have about the place to bring on for a few substitute appearances at Spurs to have him as an option? I'd like that. Yeah. so would I so let's do that Don Lee I think he's had an up down time on loan this year they loved him at Orient went to Stoke they didn't really play him at all that's not overly encouraging I think Stoke had their issues with management and stuff like that but still is probably moving into stage 21 years old where you're looking at trying to get a bit of money for him now isn't it that's the big side

1:12:23Jack:divine actually press the north end did activate their option to buy divine yesterday um so he's probably going to go there so divine is gone conor gallagher i'm going to let you take this one mate because i think this is an interesting one i don't think we probably have a choice but to keep him yeah but i think the question is going to be where we use him and how we use him and even if that becomes a starting 11 position there is I think the lot of England Gallagher is going to depend on the three guys that almost play around him I think if there's I think if the number nine and the wingers are of sufficient quality to deliver us

1:13:18at least 40 goals between them um then i think there's a position where you keep callagre as your 10 um is one of the things that we should be thinking about next season is that we're going to play 20 less games than most we'll have a week to prepare virtually all the time having gallagher press the crap out of oppositions every week as the 10 and then having weapons around him for the for the goals will be a really effective way to one not lose games and to make life very very difficult for the opposition and that is pretty much the meta for the Premier League right now it's not the meta for any of us of what we want from a 10 but it is becoming more and more the way so

1:14:12and if he's not the starting 10 as a guy that comes on for the last 20-25 minutes to do that exact job again is also really really useful

1:14:28he's still not the person that any of us really would want us to go out and buy if we didn't own him but I think there are ways in which you can use this guy

1:14:40Jack:so two of the youngsters Olesese and Kyra Martin loans right loans I mean we're not going to probably be able to loan all these guys like this is the thing we're going to have to keep some guys but they've definitely got to be available for the right options options alone Mohamed Kudus I mean that's fairly obvious we're keeping him aren't we definitely I feel it Phil I get real Kulusevsky type vibes of this could go on forever on Kudus though didn't you yeah I mean it doesn't it doesn't feel great from everything we're hearing but you know I don't know if we take that out of the equation then I want him I want to keep him and you know we've got to keep we've got to keep all these three guys here but it's almost like this is right attack in midfield this is Kudus Kulisevsky Odeber I kind of I mean I've always felt like Kulosevsky needs his own category.

1:15:42Jack:I guess I could even make like injured. Let's do that. Injured. I'm in charge of this. I'm in charge of this spreadsheet. Let me do that right now. What color can we assign injured? Let's give it a nice, there you go, a nice toxic pink for injured. So let's give Simmons, where's he gone? There he is.

1:16:06Jack:So, I mean, Kulosevsky, is he ever going to be the same player again? I don't know. There's been a concerning thread that I've spoken about before on here that's suggested the type of injury he has could be severely career limiting or whatever. So who knows? Let's hope not. Wilson Odebeer as well. Brilliant. But we're not going to learn much about him for quite some time, are we? No. Mattis Tell, look, I mean, we're talking on the left side now. Mattis Tell is somebody that ruffles a lot of feathers and I don't really get that mate I see a talented young player who gives it a go, who is talented, who is tenacious doesn't always get it right but again is very very young I really like him that's kind of what I have to say on Mattis Tell No notes mate, I'm exactly the same just keep me out of the towel Man of Solomon I mean I don't think he's really got a Spurs career like you know it's just not a thing Mikey Moore I

1:17:21I want to see him

1:17:22Jack:I want to see him around the Spurs I think we'll keep him team exactly my only thing is I would say like maybe sell versus a loan. I don't want us to loan him again. I kind of feel like he's had a season at Rangers. He's been very impressive there. If we think he's good enough, now he needs to be in our first team and in the first team squad. And if the decision is made at the club that he isn't good enough for that, then I think they should sell him. I don't want another kind of player that's like a Phillips. Do you know what I mean? That's out on loan constantly. they i think i have to keep him we just haven't got enough players here mate let's just look at our little numbers we got here i feel like we're in that position we have to so yang had a really really good loan at qpr we cut that short sent him to portsmouth and they didn't play him at all um Good.

1:18:23Jack:Which is kind of annoying. But the things you did see at QPR at times looked really, really impressive, really quite exciting. So definitely kind of, he'll be in the lone pile, I would say, but I also wouldn't be averse to having him around the first team. But I would imagine that it's right now, it's between him and Mikey Moore, isn't it, really, who gets moved into the first team. This is where things are going to get interesting, mate. Let's move to centre-forward strikers. Richarlison. What are you thinking? I would sell if we had an opportunity to sell. I'm just having a look at his contract.

1:19:11Jack:I'm sort of wondering how much we get for Richarlison in this market. We're not going to get a lot unless Saudi guys come in for him. That's it, isn't it, really? because it might be one of those rando deals where a Brazilian team comes in for him. He is going into the last year of his contract. It's going to be... Okay. So we have to sell, really. Transfer marked has his current market value at 28 million euros. Yeah, yeah. It wouldn't surprise me if it is something like, yeah, 20, 25 million quid. You want Bred now, though? I think we have to. So just don't think we, I think it's time. It is time.

1:19:55Jack:It is time. But great service in the tail end of the season. There is a certain, yeah, there is some class there. It's just not consistent enough of him. And I just, his fitness is always an issue. But yeah, I agree. So I will say up front, mate, I would 100 % bin Solanke while there's some value there and look to replace him. I think he's a player that like we could, And I just, I always feel like, yeah, I mean, I always feel like we're clutching at straws with him. It's Soldado again for me, because Soldado to me was never an actively bad player. He just didn't score goals. He was never in the right position to score goals, but he always contributed.

1:20:36Jack:And I feel that's kind of what Solanke is. But I just don't see him as somebody that's like combative enough in the box. I don't see him as somebody that really has that keen predatory instinct to always be looking to get on the end of something. And I do think quite a few times he's shown that when he's one-on-one, he fluffs it as well. But I don't think he's a bad player. I just don't think he's actually that good either. And I think he's the type of player we could get money for. So I would say maybe sell, if you get what I mean. I think that's kind of where I'd go. 100 % go to that space because I think, I don't think any of us could be happy with him being a sign of the line.

1:21:22And I, look, he's almost in a guy that where you can't dislike him. No, no, no. But that's one of the issues is that he's almost too likable. Like I said, he just feels, he just feels nice all the time. And it's just, it's just, you need more from him. And when he was at Bournemouth, his job really was just to prod the ball in the net. That was it. So he's so reliant. He doesn't make his own goals. He never does. So he does nice work in Linkup. He can be on the end of the bit if it gets there. But it needs a really highly effective attacking team for him to flourish. and I think that's an optimistic view for us.

1:22:14I just think when we look at here, we currently have no, we'd have very little green here in the attack of people that we're keeping. We're going to have to buy some creativity. 100%. And one of the easier ways to buy goals is to get a striker that you feel will score the goals regardless. of the guys around them. And Solanke is just definitely not that guy.

1:22:45Jack:Dane Scarlett, I always think he looks promising when he comes onto the pitch, but it feels like now is the time to try and get some money for him. Would you say? Has to be. I guess there might be some considerations there about homegrown quarters and all that, but let's not complicate things with that right now with the simple matter of like things that make things feasible. Lancashire to me, I think we keep him, but purely because he's a backup. We see him as the backup now, as somebody that can drop in. Wilson and Melia, two very, very exciting talents by all accounts. It's a bit about Wilson that he might...

1:23:28We might send him back or something like that, isn't it? Like it's a loan to buy, but we might not actually... do it really? interesting yeah I think we did him as a as a yeah he joined on loan but I think is there's a report that we might not exercise our purchase option oh

1:23:53Jack:we'll put him we won't put him in the bin but we'll put him in the maybe sale because if that's kind of where it is then that's how it is Edinburgh News were reporting it a few weeks ago that we've decided we're not going to we're just going to let him go out of the hearts oh interesting I thought he was very highly rated apparently but yeah there we go Mason Elliott is supposed to be you know very very exciting give him a loan let's see what he can do with playing more men's football right I think oh no hang on yeah loan that's maybe sell for Wilson get that on there Veli's been just go yeah I think we've got an option I think for him I think, didn't he go on loan?

1:24:36Yeah, it does look like it's going. So he is going. His was a loan, but I think it does become a£5 million or something like that. Okay, fine. He's going to Brazil. £9 million, apparently. Jesus. Make it fair.

1:24:53Jack:Now, two loan players who, you know, have split opinion. I mean, Charles Polina, I mean, for me, when you look at the lack of greens that we have around the midfield, right, when you look at the crucial goals he scored, when you look at the sort of the intangibles that Roberto De Zerbi has championed, and if we're talking about the deal being 20-something million euros, I think I'd buy Polina, mate. I think I would this summer. I think I'd have him. How do you feel about that? I'm surprised that it seems like we're not, because it seems like the sporting deal is, they haven't had Here We Go yet, are they on Polina?

1:25:41Jack:No, I know they've entered the race. Sounds like that is more likely of where Enel looks going. I just looked at this and been like, right, let's see if we were to say, let's maybe look at this and say we only have 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13. We only have 15 guys currently green. That's not many. Then we've got, I would say, five here in the maybe cell. if we ignore Wilson there's five guys that suddenly we're getting near 20 like we definitely have the room for Palina if if the price is is cheap then I think I think 28 million euros is what I'd seen previously and I'd imagine we could probably even barter that down a bit yeah I I I would be, I would, I definitely wouldn't be sad if we signed him.

1:26:56I think there are, you know, some people that I feel like, yeah, okay, it's good for everybody. But if we don't sign him, but we've got a lot of guys we need to buy. He's just not a problem for us if we had him. He's just not a problem.

1:27:15Jack:And he literally scored some of the most crucial goals in the club's history this season. so you know people like Polinia Danso Gallagher as guys that are not always starting maybe one maybe two of them starting and the rest are on the bench will keep our club in out of the shite

1:27:38Jack:can the same be said for Randall Kaila Mawani I don't know I think we need a new category which is like fire into the sun um for him but yeah been very very much been thanks for the service randall thanks for the one girl um see you later mate so quite a lot of business needed quite a lot of business needed but i think we knew that again like with our predictions mate at the tail end of last year i don't think there's anything here that's overly rash um or massively unrealistic right how did they look at this in january and think we did not need players i know i know and just look how unbalanced it all is as well i think that's one of the things i'd look at it's just all over the place and it it really when i look at this it really when it's all laid out in front of you just highlights how poor the assembly of it has been how poor the planning has been like what sort of like what sort of model of team is this you know like what what what system do you want these players to play if we're putting this into 11 it's Kinski Porro Porro and a doggy is four backs yeah it's van der venison esti a center back yeah then you go to midfield and you're like well we've got what Gray, Madison and Gallagher as a three?

1:29:08Probably, yeah. And then we've got Tell, Mikey Moore and Langshear as our front three. It's just, you know. It does, I mean, this just, doesn't it ring the alarm bells that if we had gone down, I'm not that confident that we would have come straight back up.

1:29:29Jack:Well, I'm also not that confident that we're like plain sailing right now either. I'm not confident whether we're going to go into the next Premier League season and barnstorm it unless serious business happens this summer. Yeah, it has to. It has to. Look, it's promising that Robertson and Sanessi have been done early. We don't have that hanging over us, but more now. You've got to, like, World Cup can't be an excuse. You know? Yeah. We just have to get business done. Get it done. Turn this... shit show into a mediocre show for now right um and kick on from there but baker thank you for going through this with me what what's uh do you have anything coming out this summer for the above average fpl pod uh we'll do a little fpl season review next week uh when i'm back home um but then we have a little bit of a break i don't think we'll do much world cup content we might do a bit but i don't think so i can't be bothered to play fantasy world cup it's one of those games it's one of those games where you can like keep changing players right up to the start of games and you're like well some of the games are like four in the morning like if i'm going to spend my summer up at four in the morning changing players on a world cup fantasy game where no one's going to remember it straight after then i do have to question my life choices so i suspect i suspect we'll have a little bit of time off baker thank you very much mate bye mate see you soon Thank you.