Unhappy Players Must Leave Spurs! | De Zerbi’s Bergvall Ultimatum, Micky's Dig & The Italian Revolution

27:58Trust him as well. They'd be leading that dressing room in the right way and stuff. And if players are coming out when they're like 19, 20 years old, I think, what, Bergvall's 22 maybe, if they're coming out and saying these things when they're that age and expecting game time and stuff, and the club can't guarantee it. There's no point in being like, oh, we'll keep them. We'll keep them unhappy in the dressing room, cause a whole ruckus, and then you'll eventually probably get rid of them anyways. Just nub it in the bud straight away, so you should get rid of them. At the end of the day, Vizcovic is one of those players who've been highly rated, yes.

28:29But in saying that, a lot of the people that are highly rating this player probably haven't seen him fucking play that much, if at all, so they aren't. There's a lot of people who are actually going, usually going on Twitter, and half pretending that they've seen boys play and reading stats lines from football and being like, fuck, he completed 94 % of his passes in a game against Peser Berlin on a Sunday night in the Bundesliga class. Brilliant. Look, he's clearly a talented player, but there is deficiency there with that player that I think would have drove you up the fucking wall. And the main one being...

29:02Me, me. I'm so placid. Specifically you, Jack. He has the fucking turning circle of like a Eddie Stobards, Larry's who it is, and he's 19. That's only going to get worse over time. So it is. Look, he's clearly talented on the ball and stuff, but there are things there that De Zerbe will be trying to do, fast-paced football, high defensive line and stuff, that would have been an issue for Vescovic and would have took a long time for him to get integrated with, which would have been a bit of concern. And then on the flip side, when you look at Lucas Bergvot, he's been at the club for a few years.

29:35He's played well, but he's not been the standout young player that you signed in that two, three-year period under Ange and Thomas Frank, at the end of the day, that player has been Gray. Gray has looked a much better player than Lucas Bergvall. And at the end of the day, Lucas Bergvall is only, what, a year or two younger than Matias Fernandes. If you're signing a player like Matias Fernandes, who's like a year or two older than Lucas Bergvall, chances are, and he already is, Matias Fernandes is a better player than Lucas Bergvall right now. And he's going to be on that team for a very, very, very long time.

30:06So Bergvall won't have an opportunity to get into that squad and into that first team regularly. And if he's already mousing off about being unhappy with the fact that he won't get game time, then that's only going to get worse moving forward because Manny Fernandez is only going to become a better and better player playing for a bigger club.

30:22Jack:He's only, what, a year, two years older than him, right? Yeah, yeah. Like, it's not that much of a difference at all. So it's not they say Manny Fernandez is going to play for two years and then Bergvall is going to come in. Like, Manny Fernandez is going to be first choice moving forward and he's just going to get better and better and better playing for. Sorry, West Ham fans. I doubt there's any West Ham fans listening to this first podcast, but I mean, I lead out it. Apologies to them. Apologies to them, but he's obviously at a much bigger club now, so he is. And he's also playing under a much, much better manager than he had played under at West Ham in the last season or two.

30:56Those things are going to make him a better player, so they are moving forward. And I just don't see how Lucas Bergfahl is going to get the point as a talent where he's going to be able to move in and take his place. And then there's absolutely no point in talking about the San Jose Tonelli side of things because San Jose Tonelli is five, ten times the player that Lucas Bergvall is right now. So he'd be mad to be starting him ahead of San Jose Tonelli, especially when you've paid like a hundred million to sign him to. This episode is brought to you by State Farm. Listening to this podcast instead of doom scrolling?

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32:45Jack:I mean, this is the thing about Lucas Bergwell, kind of to your point there, Jack, and just my own feeling about him as well is that like, I do, I do like him. I do think he's a good player. I think he's a very talented player. I think he probably has a huge future ahead of him. But even as a young player, and again, he's 20, 21 years old, right? He's a very, very young player. And we have thrown him in at the deep end. We have not properly integrated him into first team or Premier League football. Either way, right? Like, it's been a baptism of fire because of Tottenham's. Probably we've been very unlucky with injuries, but also we've built our squad very poorly historically, right?

33:23Jack:So I'm just getting out all the kind of the excuses for him. not excuses, the valid things that should be considered when you are talking about Lucas Bergvau. With all that said, and maybe it's just me as a proper football man, but with all that said, I couldn't honestly tell you. If, say, if an Arsenal fan wanted to have an argument, right, about who's better, Lucas Bergvau or Max Dallman or whatever, right, and they would say that Dallman's sort of direct, and I appreciate we're talking about arguably maybe one of the best young footballers in world football, right, but still. you would say at 15 16 years old he's direct his close control is elite already his you know his way his his reading of the game is borderline elite already what does Bergvall have find it hard to tell you entirely like you kind of I kind of look at him like he's a nice player like he's a good player I think he he shows at times when he's on the ball he can recycle possession fairly well but is his technical skill set actually that good is his passing that good is his ball striking that good is his reading of the game often that good is his on pitch maturity again i know he's 2021 but again i think he's been rather overawed on certain occasions like i i can't i couldn't in good faith sit here and say i'm looking at like a truly elite young talent i'm i feel like i'm looking at a very very good young player who will definitely have a Premier League career or equivalent for the rest of his for rest of his career he you could see him maybe even ending up somewhere like Dortmund and having a decent career playing Champions League football more often than not but am I going to sit here and say I can see him maybe going on and being considered one of the best players in world football no and does that even need to be the line no probably not but equally could i see that being said of matthias fernandez probably because i saw people saying that before spurs came into the equation talking about him um so that's just yeah that's just kind of the way i i'd slice it mate if spurs can get you know there's a lot of talk that we're going to get 50 60 mil probably in the end from a forest or in everton or someone like that i think that's kind of good money for tottenham isn't it if they get that much considering we paid 80 for fernandez is if you're getting 60 back for Bergvau, that's just kind of the sort of business that you're supposed to do at this level, isn't it?

35:52Yeah, yeah. No, I think your accessibility is really, really interesting. And it can be like a mad flashback to when Rodrigo Bentancur was first at Juventus. I think he came and like, when Tevez was going back to the Barca Juniors, they got some Shaikh player on loan and they got Rodrigo Bentancur as well. Like half of his contract or some nonsense that goes on in Serie A football in South America. football at that time. And I remember thinking that way when I first seen him. Quite tall, a lot rangier than Bergvall was, but he just kind of did everything grand. Like, it was never, there was no, like, big standout thing that he could do.

36:29By the time he did lead Juventus, he was a bit more athletic and he was able to use that kind of ranginess to kind of burst through and stuff at times. And you did see a bit of that at Spurs before he got crocked. But in my head, Bergvall's absolute peak that you could potentially see him being, and this isn't a slanty him or a slanty Bentancur, but it's like an uncrocked Rodrigo Bentancur is the sort of player that you can imagine Lucas Bergvall being. A midfielder who's competent at everything, but is never going to do anything to a level where he really, really, really stands out. And you come away from a game, you walk away from Tottenham Hotspur Stadium and be like, Jesus, Bergvall was unbelievable today.

37:08Whereas you can imagine at some point next year, you'll come away from a stadium and like Jesus Marius Fernandes was unbelievable today or you'll say the same about a Sandra Tonali and that's kind of the difference he just doesn't really stand out I feel like I'm really slagging him off now but he just really didn't stand out so he didn't and for that amount of money and for the amount that he wants to play I know what you mean because I felt like

37:29Jack:I was really slagging him off yeah because I mean I don't really want to slag him off either I really like Lucas Bergfau I do think he's a good player I like the heart and the commitment he's shown for Spurs in the last couple of years like or last year I can't even remember when we signed him. Yeah, we did sign him under Ang, didn't we? So last couple of years, I do think he's a talented player. I appreciate the level you have to be at to be playing Premier League football at 18 years old, like he was. He has to be an incredibly talented footballer. I'm not taking away from that. It's just simply like when it's in comparison to the two players that we've just brought in.

38:09Jack:you know I don't look and again I think maybe part of this do you know do you know part of the discussion here as well is that I've seen Spurs right ever since Pochettino and beyond being the sort of club that's like three four five years down the road will be all right once the once we've nurtured these players into being like way better or not but still always such a gamble like it's still such I mean like okay this might be again uh uh more of a comment on like the way in which the club was run from above. But like we were saying this of like, you know, Oliver Skip and, you know, and Winks a few years back, like, well, let's nurture them.

38:42Jack:Let's see them come up and see what they can do. And I just, I kind of like want Spurs to be good now. I think we kind of need to be good now. And I think that little brush with where things can go if you don't really try your best. When you're a club sort of the size of Spurs over the past couple of years, should be enough to show you that like, Like you can't really afford to sit around anymore. Especially, I mean, the other thing is as well is like everybody in the Premier League is loaded now. Everybody's spending loads of money. That's the thing, right? Every single transfer window, basically every single club is spending a lot of money, even those that are newly promoted.

39:18Jack:So this idea that like you should just kind of sit around and hope that like the young player that you picked up for 25, 30 mil is going to go on to be a world beater. I just, I just, I honestly, I don't think, I don't think Premier League football works that way anymore, personally speaking, unless you are truly, truly bang on with it, like somebody like Brighton is. But then, you know, the uncomfortable conversation about Brighton is what do they ever achieve? You know, I know we can talk about like the relative level of success, but what they achieve is putting their best players in the shop window and selling them.

39:51Jack:ultimately. And yeah, they make Tony Bloom loads of money and they're very, very well run because their scouting's great, but they still don't win anything. They still don't actually bother anybody. So, you know, what does that look like? Are Spurs fans going to be happy doing that? I don't know. I don't think so. I'm not going to be. Like, toothpaste out the tube a bit after Pochettino. I want to see Spurs kind of do something, you know? Yeah. I think the Spurs are a really good case for this too and they're a perfect example of it is you sign all these young players and you expect, Like, you know, Dele Ais is a really good example.

40:22And Wemba Yama is a really good example as well, where you have these younger players, like early 20s, who are like top players at that point. And then you're expecting, just because you've been told forever, that all footballers peak when they're 28, 29. But with how aggressive the state of play Paschino was playing, obviously that wore down those players, so it did quite quickly. And in a way that a lot of Spurs fans didn't expect. they expected way longer out of all those younger players and they didn't get the years out of them. So those years where he's missed opportunities to win the league and stuff, he's were thinking, all right, we'll win it in a couple of years' time.

40:58But then none of that came to fruition because of how, like he said, how all our Premier League teams started moving financially. But then also just players breaking down and getting injured. The main thing that people don't factor in the assessing young players is that there is a massive, massive chance and a bigger chance than ever given how physical and higher tempo that the Premier League is being played year on year out and the type of football that the Zerbe is going to play with these there is a massive chance that a player like that will get injured and deteriorate because of an injury that will hinder his progression as a player so you're better signing players that are really really good now that are top players now who might get better in a couple of years time but ultimately if you get two or three years out of them now under the Zerbe playing at their highest level possible happy days you can't ask for much more than that there whereas if you had a trusted a guy like Bergvall and been like okay he's still this decent Premier League mudfielder who is quite forgetful so he is playing the games like he come away from games and kind of half forget that he played I can't imagine him playing football in my head I think that's a good way to describe it I can't imagine him on the ball at all whereas I can imagine Matias Fernandes on the ball and I've seen more at Bergvall and I've seen it at Fernandes last season because who's putting them through a West Ham game half the time.

42:16It was funny to watch Birds of Time's last year. Apologies, Jack. West Ham was just depressing. I can imagine it was.

42:22Jack:I'll let you off. But what I'm saying there is like, look, Bergval, you could be like, oh, you know, three, four years time, he could be a really good player. But he's played a lot of football already since he's 18. He's played a lot of Premier League minutes for his. There is a big chance that at some point in the next couple of years he will get injured, touch what he doesn't. And then your whole plan for progression was this player getting better and being like, on a couple of years time we'll be ready to challenge because this player's got better that's all fucked you're a mess like you have to go and sign a new player anyways because this player's not as good as he perhaps should have been he's had it under Pochettino so he's dead and now it's good that these are showing signs that these are going to try and avoid it under a manager like De Zerbe who's going to play high tempo football in the same way Pochettino did and it's going to play football that has the opportunity to break players down quite quickly so it does as well well let's on this because Mickey van der Ven's just spoken about this on our preseason.

43:14Jack:It's Sydney we're in right now. He said, he's not pulled any punches on Thomas Frank really. It's going to be different compared to the manager we had last season. We're going to be playing with the ball more. It's going to be more about playing football. It's going to be much more enjoyable for people to watch because we're going to be playing offensively. You can see that De Zerbe has brought a lot of passion into our group. A lot in terms of mentality and passion on the pitch. It's something we needed because everybody was down he brings good energy and from pre-season we really have had the time to bring his football into the team it's really enjoyable um i mean yeah you know mickey van der ven was one of the chief protagonists of miserable whiffy tottenham last year right uh to have him on board you would probably say as i mean are we going to say he's probably one of the most senior players at Spurs now, which again is kind of mad to say of a guy that's only been there for a few years, is relatively young himself.

44:18Jack:To see that De Zerbi's managed to, you know, win him over, you know, it doesn't seem to have worked with Romero. Maybe it's been just kind of one season too many at Spurs for him to really fully commit to it again. The fact he's been able to sort of turn the oil tanker with somebody like Van der Ven is promising, isn't it? Yes, but also I'll go back to the point I made about players having too much authority at Spurs. My first thought seeing that and the way it was framed by a lot of journalists was basically Mickey Van de Ven has bought back on the Spurs because of the signings and the Zerbi and stuff.

44:54and it's like, having watched last season at Spurs and how bad he was, I'm kind of like, where the fuck does this boy get off? Like, who does he think he is? And that's been a problem that I've had with Van de Ven for a while, with his dad as his agent and stuff. It's like, he has come across as someone who's thought he's too good for what's going on at Spurs for a long time, but he was a big reason why all that happened last season. Like, he was bad last season for most of the season. So the idea that a lot of fans are now looking at it and being like, look, it's great that Van De Fent's buying into De Zerbe's project.

45:26It should be the all-way round. It's like De Zerbe's going to be giving him another chance to play for Spurs next season because he, by and large, last 12 months isn't good enough to play for Spurs right now, so he's not. So he has to prove it, De Zerbe, in my mind, that he's willing and able to play for Spurs. So I would kind of flip it around and be like, look, I just don't know who he thinks he is or where he thinks he's standing in the game is right now because I'm not a Spurs fan, as you can probably tell from this podcast I have no I don't support any Premier League team at all what I would say about Van de Ven is his standing in the game has plummeted to a degree where I can't imagine those talks of him 12 months ago signing for Real Madrid and stuff now, if he was to sign for Real Madrid now, the Real Madrid fan base would crack up so they would be absolutely raging that they signed him, so they would and I think he needs to understand that and understand that he's in a position now where he has to build himself back up again and he needs to look at it as does everybody give it an opportunity to do that rather than the old road?

46:25Jack:I think what you're saying like because I do see what you're saying I think it is probably going to get people's backs up I think like there are going to be there are going to be people listening to this that you're saying that you know it will frustrate them but I think it will probably be a type of frustration that stems from knowing what you're saying is kind of true because you know I'm not going to completely revise history basically everything you were saying there is the sort of stuff I was saying about Van de Ven last year in terms of he's one of the chief architects, really, of this general cloud over Tottenham.

46:56Jack:And yeah, he was playing terribly. The whole team was playing badly, but for all the things I was kind of lording him for at the start, being one of the more senior players, I think he let the team down quite a bit at points. And, you know, there's always context behind this. These are just human beings. He's spoken about the fact he was down about it at the time last year, and he sort of said that, you know, I think his actual words were depressed has lifted somewhat. I don't know if he's just saying that flippantly and, you know, I can't imagine he's divulging that he had clinical depression.

47:28Jack:I think he's probably just using the term flippantly, but, you know, I don't know. Who knows? Let's not dig this hole any further. He was down in the dumps about Tottenham, but what you are saying is kind of true and I think he, there's more, like there is more to his quote. he has basically said the way we have played the past couple of years has been unacceptable and we have to make it up to the fan base so he is acknowledging that and that is you know that's good that's that's a that's a big positive for me so I guess just as a Spurs fan on this side of things I just sort of want a clean slate on it all you know I wouldn't say if I'm honest I have a slight if I was to go big on an early season kind of hot take there's almost a part of me that thinks we might end the season with Van Hecker and Sanessi playing as our centre-back pairings I think Van de Ven showed that he struggled on the left-hand side of defence in the World Cup playing for Holland there has been some kind of there's been talk about the way in which Deserby plays the type of centre-backs he wants it's obviously been very very deliberate that we've gone for both Snessy and Van Hecker two players who I think out of European centre-backs were way head and shoulders above for their progressive ball playing and things like that a characteristic that is a cornerstone of Deserby's philosophy and it's not something that you would say of Van de Ven he's a physical player, he's very quick, he is talented he's not the best in the air for a big player but his recovery runs, his ability to be able to be physically imposing to press is a huge bonus.

49:18Jack:But is that going to completely tally with Roberto De Serbi's football? I guess we'll have to wait and see. But it is going to be interesting and I guess the point of the quote as well was just it was interesting to see that it is acknowledged that the way in which the club played, the type of football that they were playing was not enjoyed by the players either. I mean, I think they made it abundantly clear last year anyway, but it's still, you know, there's something about that kind of having the actual confirmation, right? That's interesting. And what I would say is like from the outside, you can see already that the squad seems to be more harmonious.

49:54Jack:It seems to be in a happier place. you know we've added in a big personality which again has been a divisive signing but I'm sort of choosing to be somewhat more positive about it you know a positive character in somebody like Andy Robertson who is going to add a bit of leadership is going to add a bit of experience to into the fold look Chelsea right now we're just on the verge of signing Jordan Henderson on a free transfer so you know I don't know how much Chelsea are somebody to kind of model your sort of success on but you know it's something so I guess just the vibe is shifting at Spurs and De Zerbe is a huge huge part of that which is what you want to see from your manager.

50:37Jack:I guess I'll just put to you Jack as we sort of come towards the end what's your sort of you know because Spurs have obviously we've we've made a lot of defensive signings we've shored up the midfield a lot as well but I think one of the things that people are still kind of unsure about is our attacking potency and also maybe some of the creativity that we may or may not have in the final third bearing in mind that Dajan Kulusevsky is a question you know there's question marks over him um Chevy Siemens isn't you know going to be back for you know maybe the entire season or at least towards the very end of the season James and Madison is still sort of touch and go what do you think Spurs need to move the needle?

51:22Jack:We've been most heavily linked with Savinho from Man City and Kruppi at Bournemouth. If we sign those two, does that move the needle for Spurs? Or do you think we still need more? Yeah, I think he's still need more, but I do think I will say Jermak Kruppi is such a good player, he's fantastic. The fact that he's in, he just is a top top player, so I think he's the sort of player that Spurs need to go and get now, because he's not going to be available in a couple of years time. He's going to be City or something like that there if you don't sign him this season. This is the one opportunity to sign a player like that.

51:55So if you get a chance to sign a boy like that, jump at it and grab it with both hands if possible. So he would make a massive difference and he immediately brings goals and he brings goals to a team that need goals massively, so they do. And if you don't sign a striker, he's going to need goals from out wide a lot, so he's well. I like Savino as well. I don't think he's been really given a chance at Man City because I just don't think he's suited. playing for a Pep Guardiola team. I think he's a wee bit more aggressive trying to get in behind players and he's a wee bit more creative and stuff as well.

52:27He's more likely to have a pop-up goal from 25 yards than a manager like a Pep Guardiola who wants a wee bit more control in the play and stuff would want to see. I think he would be given a wee bit more license at Spurs and I think as well, a big thing for him too, he'll be gasping for the opportunity as well. They play week in, week out and prove himself in the Premier League. when you have a player who's talented who's gasping to prove himself I think that's always quite a positive element to bring together like I said I think he's still obviously need more I think he's need a striker so he's still above all else I did see and I was chatting to Spurs on work today and he was like you know maybe Richarlison might be the guy to give a chance at number nine and it was just like flashbacks to the last like how many seasons of pre-seasons where he does alright and then they're like oh sweet we'll give him a chance and then he gets injured immediately or he doesn't score for like five or six games and stuff so I just think there's no point in going down that area again and trying that again to be honest I'm saying this I'm saying this is like you need a striker I don't really know who's out there I don't really know who's been linked I did ask you a few days ago if he's been linked to Vlajevic and it seems like that's ran very cold and he might be going to Turkey there's actually talk and potentially come back to Juventus as well but he's the sort of profiling striker that would at least be someone you could play off, maybe score like 15, 16 goals.

53:54I don't know if you'd like to hear this, but he is like a bit like Jokeres. He's like a Jokeres-style striker. If you hate Jokeres' style of play, I know you obviously hate him as a man because he plays for Arsenal, but if you hate his style of play, then you won't want to Vlajevic. But if you think, oh, you know, he's a wee bit dogged, his first touch isn't great, but he can run the channels and score the odd goal, then he could be an option for you but would you want a Jokeres Jack? I think that's my main question for you.

54:20Jack:Well not Jokeres entirely because I think he's a bit of a donkey but I know what you're saying. I get the point you make. I mean the funny thing about Vlaovic I'm pretty sure you know and you see a lot of this stuff come through the news cycle and stuff like on Twitter especially but I'm pretty sure I've seen it said that like peak clubs have been interested in him but he has like a wild valuation on how much he thinks he should be paid and stuff for a player that's not played for a long time. And I think that's what a lot of clubs have bulked at, the sort of salary he's looking for. Yeah, I think he wanted something like, it was like 10 or 12 million after tax.

54:55So it was from Juventus. And Juventus obviously have no fucking money, so that was a big no. So it would make sense that clubs are seeing how much he's wanting. And also his injury record is not amazing, so it's not about last year or two. Probably thinking, Jesus, where does this guy get off in the same way I'd say about Mickey Van de Ven. But if you do want a guy who's a bit like that, who would be coming to your club to actually prove himself, and I think as well, a wee positive for him too, a wee tuck in the right box for you, is that he did turn down Arsenal. They signed for Juventus originally, so he did.

55:30And he's the sort of player that Arsenal fans would hate in North London Derby. And he's the sort of player as well that would rise to those occasions because for all his faults at Juventus down the years, he had some great games, had a lot of injuries. but for all his faults he usually played well in those big games and he would usually get his back up against like Inter and AC Milan in particular so he's a player in the same way I said about Santer Talley he's a boy that you could see playing really well in an Arthlotton Derby and scoring you a winner and you would bite your hand off that wouldn't you Jack?

55:59Jack:Yeah yeah I mean 100 % and I guess the other thing about Vlaovic is that like people forget that he was like one of the most sort of sought after lauded young strikers in Europe just a few years ago I'm assuming it's mainly injuries that have held him back, is it? Injuries and Juventus are just a fucking disaster. So they are so a bit of both. He's had like, what, six managers at Juventus, so he has, which is never a positive sign. And a lot of managers who have tried to use him in different ways. Tudor doesn't really rid him for some reason. So it's been a kind of topsy-turvy period, but when he's been trusted by a manager and when he's been fit, he's scored goals.

56:39like his record at Juventus isn't that bad when you consider the amount of injuries and the amount of changes that have gone on to that club over the last few years like his record is decent he always scores goals in the right game suitors and stuff I've always liked him it is funny like you said him and Haaland were kind of the two when Haaland was at Dortmund Vlajevic was at Fiorentina and then obviously went to Juventus and I remember thinking Jesus like he's not Haaland but he's close and if he does get in the right situation and he could score a lot a lot of goals it hasn't really worked out that way but he still scored a decent amount of goals and I think he was suited to Premier League too he's a big boy so he is he can run a challenge for you he can hold up a ball for you as well and like I said a big game player too which is I think the more big game players you have the better heading on the next season

57:25Jack:Well especially with losing Kuti Romero as well who for all his faults was more often than not a big game player really was very good and he's all for the showing up for Argentina Danny's on him actually can you see Inter seems to be the strongest link with him can you just see that one happening probably by the end of the transfer window yeah he's very enter isn't he it's one of those ones that when you hear it that makes sense it's one of those rumours you can see him in the kit do you know what I mean I know that sounds stupid but sometimes it's just as much about seeing a player in the kit as well you're like yeah that fits I can see that happening yeah yeah he's got a bit enter about him he's Sid Demonson also because they're so much better in the rest of the league so he won't be as found out at times as he has been at Spurs.

58:09And then also, they play three at the back and have for a long time as well. And I think he'll suit that as well because he was someone they track him behind him when he does go on those mad rampages on the mudfield.

58:18Jack:Jack, just before I do let you go, look, come on, you know, I'm getting very excited about the season ahead. I'm getting excited about the amount of money we're spending. I'm getting excited about Roberto Dezer being in charge. There's a part of me, right, Spurs without European football, having a bit of a lunatic in charge that is apparently telling all of the players, every new signing that we make, that his ambition this season is to win the Premier League. There's just that bit of me where I think there's a bit of a smell around Spurs that's actually a positive one for once, where we might just be able to pull off something quite mad.

58:54Jack:Do you see that? Because maybe I need my expectations tempering, Jack, and you can be that cold, brutal hand of pragmatism. Can you at all see where I'm coming from? Or do you see it more as in Spurs will be lucky to finish ninth? You know what, Jack? I'll say this. I just think it's a really big positive that you're so happy about supporting Spurs right now. And I think that's really healthy. And it's really great to see you think positively about your football club, because I know it's been a very, very long time since the last time you thought, Jesus, Spurs might actually be all right. So that's nice.

59:26So I don't want to bring you down too much off the back of that. So I'll just say, I can't see it happening, but it'd be a good crack if it did.

59:34Jack:Not at all. No, just not. I don't even know a little bit of you that, you know, to dare us to do and all that. I'll say it again, Jack. I can't see it happening, but it would be good crack. Jack, where can people read your work, follow you, all the other sort of internet things? You can follow me at Calcio Loves Jack, but I have to say I'm not the most active in the world, so I'm not on that. You can not follow me around Derry, where I live. Don't do that. and I also am on a baseball podcast as well as being a football neek I'm a baseball neek as well me and a friend of the podcast Chris Dealey do a baseball podcast called Let's Play 162 about Chicago Cubs so if there is any crossover between your podcast and that one any audience fair play it's probably just Dealey No there might be I've got a few American listeners but I don't really know is baseball as tribal as football I'm guessing it is I'm guessing teams all hate each other, right, in baseball as much as...

1:00:35Yeah, some do. The Cubs' big rivals is the Cardinals. They hate each other. The Yankees and the Red Sox, they hate each other too. But American sports is weird, so it is. You see it at the World Cup as well. They all sit beside each other and they'll have a bit of cracking on the stands. There's no home and away end and stuff. I'll never get used to that. That's just pure strange.

1:00:56Jack:Rival fancy in the opposite side of a hot dog like Lady and the Tramp, that sort of thing right in the stands yeah um jack mate it's always a pleasure thank you very much thanks for having me thanks for having me i hope i don't bring you down too much you can you can do that you can do that your smiles your smiles too infectious tee off on the turkish riviera europe's premier golf destination with championship courses in Bilek and Antalya, luxury all-inclusive resorts and year-round sunshine. It is the perfect getaway under the Mediterranean sun. Play immaculate fairways designed by golf legends, then unwind beside stunning beaches and five-star hospitality.

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