Who Can Save Tottenham Now? | Brushing Off Forest & Will There Be Full-Scale Protests with Big Jon Bass (Q&A)

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1:19Jack:Hello, everybody. Welcome back to Rule The Roost podcast. A day later than usual. I do apologize. You can blame Charlotte having her cornea. Is it cornea or cornea, John? I'll accept either. Either's fine. You take either? Yeah, I'm not a pedant when it comes to the eyes. As long as no one's doing anything to my... I'll say cornea. As long as no one's doing anything to my cornea, I'm fine. Cornea sounds a bit like, I don't know, some sort of cream or something you get in Cornwall, isn't it? Yeah, or like a region of Italy. Oh, it's in the Cornea region, actually. It's really lovely, fantastic, why, why?

1:51Jack:Delightful, delightful. Yeah, we had a lovely summer there. um mate well you know you're feeling a bit more jubilant because i listened to big john bass show on on wednesday and you know you were kind of in that place of like i was hoping i'd be over like the forest thing by now but i'm kind of not and i'm i'm still just kind of licking my wounds a bit i think that's how i've been feeling for for a lot of the week and then before we started talking uh well at least recording we were chatting about the fact you know what forget it we got to go again like even as i've seen in my post match even if we'd have won we'd have still had to have gone again we wouldn't have been safe had we been forest same rules apply right we just got to kind of dust ourselves off now and get on with it don't we yeah this is it like it's i think it's completely acceptable that people felt absolutely gutted after that game like i felt as low as i felt and it has taken me a little bit longer than normal normally i'm like as soon as the game's over I have about an hour where I'm really wallowing and then the next day maybe if it's a real bad one and then I'm straight back into just like positivity but it's definitely taken me longer and it's definitely felt worse but my mind state has also shifted which it really is just about it's the situation that we're in we have to accept it right and once you accept okay this is a relegation battle then it isn't just like every game is a cup final mentality if we in this one it's all over which is where i've been if every single game i've almost been going well if we lose this one that's it and there's like nine games to go and i appreciate that with every loss and there's less games that you can't keep that theory going on forever but to your point that you made after you know your post-match um pod was basically like even if we'd have won that it also wouldn't have been over in a positive sense right it wouldn't have meant oh we're safe And so I think we need to kind of just really sort of take each game as it comes.

3:44And until it's mathematically impossible for us to stay up, then we need to, we just need to kind of stick with it. Right. And that's why I've been a big advocate for this idea of whatever people thought about the sort of fan action before the game. We've got to keep going with this idea. right this sort of together always concept of like you know working as a fan base working together with the players despite what's going on if you just immediately drop that then it wasn't true was it right and if we really believe in what we're saying and we're really believing in this idea of like right we're going to come together when it counts this is when it matters right you can't just do it once and then and kind of go well the players didn't do their bit so it's all over now we've we've got to just do our bit until the very very end because otherwise i will feel like that is that is unsatisfactory and i've had people say it to me this week like oh that was embarrassing like you guys out in the street with flares i'm like no no it's not it's it's the opposite of embarrassing right it's it's actually like to me it's like a big sense of pride of like most clubs couldn't do that for a cup final most clubs wouldn't be able to do this ever at any point and we we've really seen like what it's like to be able to put together

5:03Jack:i'll just say just Greek Arsenal fans are storming out on the 85th minute or so their cup final the other day do you know what i mean and well it doesn't need to always be a comparison to them but just to your point it's the fact we've rallied the fact we're we're looking at them winning what they're going to win probably this season i mean hope imagine imagine if they fucked it from here but still that's one for another day we've got the context of them doing what they're doing what we're doing this season and still there's what 10 at least 10 000 people show up for that bus turning up the other day um i've got to say i don't know if you've seen so in one of the most inexplicable football podcasts there is in the space nicky butt paul skulls and Paddy McGuinness have a have a podcast and uh Nicky Butt on that I just saw the clip going around on on Twitter and it rattled me mate he basically blamed the fans for Forrest he said that he said that showing up for the bus was too much he said that it put too much pressure on the players he said you can take that if it's a cup final because you have a general sense of nerves there and it's it's a good distraction but for a league game you could you can't be treated fans can't be treated in league games like that that's that's what you do for a cup final it rattled me mate but it's it's it's there if we're devil's advocating it is there anything in that whatsoever i don't even know why i'm giving it space and time but you know it's it's always worth you know being a centrist dad about this type of stuff sometimes isn't it oh mate always you know we know where we sit so we just just have to wear it yeah look i look there is some truth to it In the sense that the players, we know that they are quite mentally fragile and we know that they can't handle pressure.

6:42And when it's a more ferocious atmosphere, that is an element of pressure. So that little grain of truth is accurate. However, the only reason that this happened and the reason that we did this is that's what the players have asked for. They have all season been crying like little babies. Why aren't you with us? Where's the support? But, you know, granted, they've been on the receiving end of some boos and some quite nasty stuff, actually, if I'm honest, especially like the Vicario, that was a bit like personal aspects. So they've also got some legitimate gripes about getting booed. But I thought we agreed as a fan base, as a club, as a set of players, draw the line under the sand.

7:22We're all going to be together. We're going to come and sing. We're going to support you more than ever. Like, let's just work on this objective together. For then, and the players aren't saying this, obviously this is nicky butt's interpretation but him saying well that's put pressure on the players i don't care that's what they asked for that's what they wanted like were they not expecting this because from my understanding it's been made very clear to like all parties this is what we're going to do so this shouldn't have come as a surprise and as a shock and like i said it's what they've been asking for from us and we've like as a fan base we've delivered that also it's super rich just like forget the players and nicky button the media at large you know how many games have you watched this season whether the sort of the team like the commentary team have been banging this drum well this is a magnificent stadium but the fans they really need to get behind the thing and sometimes it will be like a protest day where something's happened in the transfer window or not as the case may be and the booing is a result of completely unrelated to the football but they haven't factored that into the context or it's related to something that's been said by one of the owners or whatever it might be that's completely unrelated to the football we then go four nil down or whatever we are and obviously that's when it's going to spill over the context just seems to get lost that it's just other Spurs fans don't really fancy it they're not really they're not really a passionate fan base so we go all right then we'll show you what a fan base we are how amazing we are as a fan base and what we can do and then suddenly that's a big problem as well it gets to a point where it's like well what what do you want us to do like how how will we you tell us media nikki bart etc how we're supposed to support what are we supposed to do because when we do nothing or do negative things that's having a negative impact when we over support which i didn't think was a real thing that's also an issue so i'm just getting more and more lost with what we're supposed to do then to satisfy these people you know like all that sort of all together always

9:17Jack:stuff i think it's great i think it's great having the fans and the players have this sort of show of unity and everything i've got to say though like if we go down last day of the season against everton it's going to be open season isn't it it's going to be i can see i could i could actually see somebody like starting on vicario's mum in a pub or something after you know they're always hanging around in the pubs like oh they're so great they come and watch their millionaire son play football right so what no i'm just i'm not i'm not calling out of a guy that's fair so everyone seems to like him what's so good about him you know yeah i wouldn't want to mess with her mate she's from the cornea region of italy so she'll have you know me and foot soldiers all over the shop um no but on that one like on a more serious note i i would be lying and i don't like to lie john But I would be lying if I would say I wasn't at all.

10:10Jack:Just had a little light inkling of rattlage about all the sort of international posts, the international break posts, players all looking very happy, smiley. Xavi Seaman saying, so grateful to be in this environment or something I think he said, you know, where you're a bit like, you know, Dejan Kulaseski. Let me just get Dejan Kulaseski's quote as well. So he was spotted the other day, like limping he linked up with the sweden team he's obviously he's obviously the national team captain he he linked up with him and he was hobbling about the place and i think some of the swedish media were a bit worried about him and i think alistair gold has said since no he's he had a follow-up little procedure done on the knee but it's actually coming along quite nicely and he said i understand that people are worried about me but it was for the wrong reasons i'm really positive i had a small procedure um and we found the problem everything should be solved it's slowly and surely a comeback i can see the light i feel better i have a positive feeling with two important matches and a world cup in two to three months that is how the book and chapter will end that's what i'm convinced of now now i know what you're gonna say i know you're gonna say he's on international duty he's probably been asked by the swedish press about sweden why isn't he talking about tottenham mate why isn't he talking about tottenham the team that have been looking after him for the past year and a half, nurturing him through injury, paying him a king's ransom of a salary.

11:40Jack:So he lives a life that most of us can only ever dream of. Why do they treat us with such contempt? Or, or, and this is, this is definitely, this could be true. Am I just overthinking it because we don't have any football and I'm sad that Tottenham are not doing very well? No, I mean, look, when he puts that message together or those comments together, it's just like a few extra words right he doesn't even need to change anything right he goes you know I've got these two games and this world cup and of course doing my very best to the end of the season for Spurs that's all he has to say it's one extra line and it's that like whether there's malice behind it or stupidity or what that sort of sums things up for me it's like there's either an element of spite from the players like coded messages and oh it's nice to be in a nice environment for a change kind of tone it's either that or like they just don't care and they're just like okay great this is quite nice to just be away from all this either way we we are hurt in here and you you could make our lives much easier no i'm not saying they have to rock up their you know tears in their eyes with an i love spurs t-shirt you know it'd be nice but it'd be lovely man you know it would give me a whole new perspective on a lot of these players but I am I do find yeah I do find it a bit galling like the sort of glee in which they're like glad to be away from this now on a personal level there probably is a little bit of glee to be away from it and it is nice to be in a change of environment they've probably got mates and they're looking for all of that is is fair enough but it's just very simple things that I think that they they just don't understand and what I what I'm trying to put it down to is it's not even the millionaire footballer thing it's actually just their age right i honestly do think that like when i was 20 i didn't take accountability for anything i had like terrible attitude to a lot of things and i could argue for hours and hours and hours why i was right even though i was definitely wrong right because you're just pig-headed now you put that into someone who their whole life has been told you're right you're brilliant you're the best you're amazing no one tells them no no one says like you should actually you know maybe you should include spurs in that comment because they might be upset he's like nah because i'm on sweden duty like it doesn't make any sense even though inside he might be thinking okay he's probably right but i don't want to change it now because i've said you know i'm on sweden duty so it's fine it's it's just like an immaturity level that i think that just on a sort of human level i can kind of i can kind of understand it it doesn't make it easier or any nicer for us to like perceive that stuff and on a more yadar note the most shocking thing is the fits the drip some of the outfits these lads are wearing are absolutely rascal now in my day when like you know footballers would be like going on international duty remember there's that famous picture i think it must have been like man united and they're all wearing sort of boot cut jeans white trainers right that was as like edgy as it got and that was basically just like the more expensive version of what most geezers on a saturday night were wearing down oceana it's like they've gone to another level of just like i'm gonna wear the most obnoxious shite um just to prove that i've got loads of money and i'm in really good shape it's like oh look at me i'm really fit oh just do one just go there and it's just like a lovely just a lovely outfit why have you got to wear like i mean the french squad i don't know if you've seen this is a little bit off topic jack but the french squad eka tk's outfit if you haven't had a chance to look at it looks like you know the old asylum jackets with like the long sleeves that they wrap around your but fucking ridiculous.

15:14So yeah, I'm just, I'm too old to be commenting on basically like these young lads attitude.

15:19Jack:But this is definitely the whole sort of fashion parade. God, look at that. Look at how fucking comedy they do. Fashion parade. The fashion parade though, that these lads, this is something quite new. Do you know what I mean? Like there was, in our day, there was David Beckham, you know, and he sort of stood alone as a bit of a, a bit of a twat. do you know what I mean now it's a sea of twat like it's but they haven't got they haven't got the talent this is the problem right it's like if you think about all the players from the 90s era like the absolute ballers they were just absolute Debenhams MS like outfits like CNA classics their mums were buying their shirts for them still do you know what I mean yeah you'll look nice in that one you know whereas and you're right it's like Bex would just like I don't know wear a sarong and the whole world would have a meltdown because they're like what is happening like football's absolutely gone and now it's like that would just blend in as just a normal outfit but they haven't got the star quality to back it up like it just I don't know this is very very much old man chat but I do think it's sort of symptomatic of uh to bring it back to Spurs I do think it sort of highlights the mentality issue that our squad has got and I know there's been a few people I think Harry Brooks was talking about it this week and he was basically saying like our players they don't have the like mentality of players in squads where most seasons they're trying to finish above the relegation zone and so when they have bad results and you know bad moments in a season they kind of not accept it but they kind of understand okay this is just part of it but we just need to get x amount of points to get us in this position and it might not come for four five six games don't panic we'll get one and that'll be the one that gets us out of it Whereas our players are in this like free fall of just like every game is so big and is such a panic and they are going, right, what we need is the fans to like get involved.

17:09We do this big show to them that we're like involved and then suddenly like, oh my God, that's even more pressure and they can't cope with that either. And I do think there's this like sort of cognitive dissonance between where we are in the league, right? And every individual, if you ask them, like, do you think you are a player of a quality that should be in a relegation battle? they would say no but yet they are the players who are collectively in a relegation battle and they can't see that it's like no you you individually have to perform better and as a team you guys need to perform better it's only really on you because at this point if you if you are genuinely feeling as a player that you are just like streaks above this level in the league it's not really even about the manager if i'm honest right like this idea i think we get obsessed with like tactics and like how things are done and it's got to be like the minutiae of every detail is the manager's responsibility but fundamentally if the ball's getting played out wide and a runner is coming into midfield and you're just ball watching as you run into the box like Matassar on the second goal against Forrest that's on you mate the manager can't do anything about that for you just look over your shoulder or run with your body open so you can see both the ball and the man that's just basic errors and I'm not picking on Sok because I actually like him a lot but it's sort of you know i love him he he really frustrated me as well but that was but that's a particularly bad game from him didn't it it did and that's just like a sort of again i don't want to pick him out but it's just a good example of the kind of thing that i'm talking about where it's like it's just that is basic and there's no doesn't matter if pep guadiola or sir alex ferguson is in charge of that team they should know to not ball watch like that is basic so like they all need to take a good look at themselves and think about what they're doing and that's like across across the team whether you bond over streaming binge worthy

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20:27Jack:to bake. He keeps yelling, protein and fiber baby! Also, the food? We tried it. So good! So maybe you check it out or whatever. Blue Apron. Get$50 off your first two orders plus free shipping with code STIR50. Terms and conditions apply. Visit blueapron.com slash terms for more. Do you see Flav saying, I'm pretty sure it's in that same pod you're saying Harry Brooks is on. Flav saying that Pep Guardiola could even come into this team and we wouldn't do anything. We had a question here from Joe Lewis Smells, who says, if we had our pick of any manager in the world, is there anyone who could get us out of this mess in seven games?

21:07Jack:Or is it all on the players? Because I think this is an interesting question purely because do you think you need a different type of manager for a situation such as this or do you think we should be and let me link this to what's going on in the real world right now because there's some talk i think we're basically look this pod by the time we get this out mate might be out of might be out of date like sounds like ego tudor is going to get sacked any minute um i think the club are trying to be somewhat respectful given his sort of personal situation a lot of the talk is that they're trying to get Deserby in.

21:44Jack:They're trying to get him to take on this challenge, become our permanent manager now. Get us out of the mess and then take us into next season. Casey Keller was, for whatever that's worth, but Casey Keller was saying yesterday he thinks if Spurs made a proper, concrete offer to Maurizio Pochettino, he would ditch the World Cup and he'd come back to Spurs because it's where his heart lies. I can't help but lie, I think there's a little bit of me that kind of agrees with that as well. If they literally had down in a contract, we want you, here's a five-year contract, here's a guarantee of£150 million to spend in summer, you have complete overseer with the squad, you appoint the director of football, you are the man.

22:27Jack:I think he'd ditch a World Cup and come back to Tottenham for that. But the point is, back to the original point, is that what we want right now, John, or do we literally want, and I'm being deadly serious when I say this, Do we want a Daishi or somebody to come in who has been in this situation, who has been in the mud, who knows what it takes to fight your way out of this? For the seven games, for the seven games. Yeah, yeah. So I think there's been a lot of back and forth on this. I was hoping that when Tudor came in, that that would give us the manager bounce and that he wouldn't be the right person long term, but he would give us what we needed, which was just enough to get us out of this situation.

23:05And then we go to some and we move on. and as it sort of drifted and drifted and drifted and we haven't had that manager balance like we just haven't had it um it does sort of worry me that okay well this is as i said before this is clearly the players as well like they are underperforming across the board and that they they need to take a good look at themselves and raise their level but there is also like the aspect of okay fine let's just accept that's the case why aren't why are the managers we've had not able to get this reaction out of them. What is it about them? Because Thomas Frank is almost like the geography teacher that nobody respected, and so they just messed around.

23:41Tudor is like the hard-ass PE teacher who makes you train outside in the snow. I think we need to try the cool media teacher who's actually just really sound, and he just lets you watch Sopranos when it's raining outside, because that makes you feel good. And you go, do you know what? I actually am going to work hard for this guy, because I don't want to lose all these privileges of just having a laugh and being with my mates and it's actually going pretty well that's the only thing i can think of that is an alternative to this because they clearly haven't reacted to a disciplinarian because that's what eagle tudor is really it's the old-fashioned italian style run harder work harder suffer we're going to suffer through games the conte marcello lippy kind of you know philosophy on football that hasn't worked clearly right it just doesn't it hasn't so the next thing is to try either a relegation specialist and most of those like the Allardyce Deitch type it's very like we're going to sit in and defend and we're going to scrap and try and do things the problem is is that I think that spurs being in the situation actually makes that more difficult because we don't have like box defenders who are just like lumps who can just sit and defend their box because our composition of our squad already is a mess but it's certainly not set up to be like this sort of solid defensive unit we've got fullbacks who are basically wingbacks we've got really danso is the only like proper defender like a defender's defender who can actually do it all head it mark people tackle people he's like he's great right but he's he should be the third choice center back our two center backs aren't typical defenders, if you like, right?

25:24Like Romero is a fantastic footballer, but I wouldn't say he's a fantastic centre-back. In a modern game, that works because you need them to be fantastic footballers. But if you're in a relegation battle, you just need a solid defender, which is why like Murillo and the other geezer at the back, Forrest, just like monsters because their objective was just sit in and head stuff away. And they looked incredible at doing that. Van der Ven's not good in the air. Neither is Romero. Neither of them are good in the air. So you can't sit in because they'll just pepper balls in the box and then what you're going to do so for me it's like i don't think the deich alla deich type opt option really works for us in our circumstances because of the way that we're set up so i think if you're going to take a punt on changing things you're going to have to go for a vibes based arm around the shoulder we're going to do the opposite we're going to score loads of goals we're going to concede a few but we're going to we're going to score loads of goals that's what we're aiming for that's what we're going to do we're going to set ourselves up to give it a go and score loads of goals.

26:21And that's why I've been using his name, but it's just like emblematic of like the type of person. It's like the Harry Redknapp School of Football. That's what we need. We need someone who's just like, don't worry about like stressing yourself out about this stuff. We're just going to bomb up the pitch and give it a go and press high and win the ball back and give it to our attacking players and get more of those attacking players on the pitch together and instilling a bit of confidence. So like, let's say the Harry Redknapp archetype manager, it's just a figurehead. you can still bring in like younger coaches a mason or like a defoe or whoever around that person but this idea that like because harry redknapp is like 80 million years old that the players therefore won't respect him they don't respect anyone they didn't respect thomas frank and thomas frank was like a contemporary essentially data driven did well they would have played against his team they didn't give a shit about him they didn't respect him eagle tudor played for Juventus in the best era of Juventus.

27:16He was like a solid, respected player who's a massive hard bloke.

27:19Jack:Did he win a Champions League with him? Well, I mean, he definitely won a few Scudettos for sure. I feel like he was around that era where it was way harder to win stuff, but maybe he was in that team that won it. But they don't respect him and he's a massive hard bloke as well and they just seemingly don't care about that. So this idea of like, oh, well, when Harry Redknaut was a manager, who cares? do you think they know who Addy Hutter is? They don't know and they don't care. What they will care about though is a manager comes in and goes do you want to have some fun? Lads, it's been pretty miserable hasn't it for the last year?

27:51Would you like to have some fun and play some attacking football? There isn't a single footballer on earth who doesn't prefer attacking football to defensive football. So if you give them this license to go look, we've got basically whatever we've got seven games left to save this season. Why don't we do it having a bit of fun? Why don't we do it with a bit of pride? Why don't we go out swinging? in why don't we like attacks and score some goals let's go let's do it and have fun with less pressure on us to like make this this big thing i feel like that's more suited to these group of players mentality i'm not saying it's right or that it's perfect but given where we are and given what we know and what we've seen so far this is the only thing we haven't really tried and so to me if you're gonna make a change that's the route i would go and try to see if that has an impact and if it doesn't then there's nothing you could do with these players right

28:38Jack:I mean, if he gets us out of it, then fine. I'll eat my words and all that type of stuff. But I haven't even been able to really bring myself to talk to you about the Adolf Hutter stuff, Addy Hutter. Because it just seems like one of those things, doesn't it? Where you're like, what are you thinking? Because for everything you're saying, I agree with you. I mean, for me, really, the only viable candidate now is Mason. And it's who you build around Mason. because I think he knows the club. He loves the club. He knows most of these players. He's available. He likes to play attacking football. To me, it has to be him.

29:18Jack:And yeah, if you have a Harry Redknapp as a sort of a glorified cheerleader, if you like, imparting some advice. Exactly. Being the face of it all. Look, I know I continue to say this stuff, but I truly mean it. I truly mean it. The second Harry Redknapp walks in the door here, the Sky Sports, this and that. The narrative around Spurs is flipped. It's no longer Gary Neville saying, let's send Tottenham down. It's going to be good for the league. It's good old Harry. Can he save Tottenham? And that stuff, you know, that stuff matters. I'm sorry, it does. Like it really, really does because right now they are desperate for us to go down.

29:58Jack:Everybody is desperate for us to go. Did you hear that Fletch thing? The BBC. I was so rattled, mate. I was so rattled. That media thing, mate, is such a good point. And I think that's the bit that people miss, right? It's like, yes, there's an element of the players and how they see it and who they respect. And as I've said before, I don't think they respect anyone. But if you put Mason in that room with them, you put Defoe in that room, people that they do know and respect, Redknapp can become the face of the media, essentially, right? He can kind of leave the details to those guys, but he can create this like feeling and emotion and it'll give a good connection with the fans but i do think the media points are really interesting one because rednap is like a beloved figure in like british culture almost certainly in football culture right and if you think about i've heard you talk about it before the sort of the var aspect of gary never always been an arty boy all that stuff right and that they they get impacted by this right which they absolutely do like it's an it's a either overt or unconscious bias based on what they're hearing and what they're seeing and how people talk about it.

31:04And if Harry Redknapp comes in, I guarantee you we'll get a penalty. We'll get one. Because he will be on the sideline. He'll be with the refs. He'll be in front of the sky cameras. And it will be, oh, good old Harry, backs against the wall. What a hero. Can he do it again? The wheeler dealer's back to save Tottenham. Like, happy-go-lucky Redknapp. All of that stuff does make a difference. It shouldn't, but it does. And it's an intangible thing that I can't prove and I can't demonstrate. He won't get the job, so I won't have to. But I feel like that would make a difference to us. It would just sort of turn...

31:40If you're a believer in sort of energies and dynamics and stuff like that, Harry Redknapp is sort of a force for positivity in the footballing universe. So if you just inject him into this scenario, it would give us something. And I think the issue that we've had is we've basically had sort of neutral people injected or even negative people injected into the situation too many times. And it's just tilted us over. So I would give it a go. My worry is, to your point, that they've looked at the situation, the people in charge of making these decisions, and they've gone, right, yeah, hear what everyone's saying.

32:17Why don't we get this obscure Austrian manager who's managing in France, who's got a name quite similar to someone who probably isn't great for the fan base. I just don't understand the thought process of what we're really doing here and that really is one why we're in this mess and two why it's a real worry about what we do next because I have literally no faith in Vinay Langer and the Lewis family as it stands so that I think is going to be the most interesting thing is like what we actually do next and to a certain extent based on who we've been linked with if he wants to carry on I probably would stick with Tudor at this moment in time because unless it's going to be this sort of fellowship of the redknapp, I don't want to see some of these names I'm seeing because I just don't think that will work.

33:08Jack:Well, this leads us on nicely to Ledbury King's comment that says, Can there be any justifiable reason why Vinay and Langer are still at the club? The thought of them involved in any further decision-making is so depressing and further evidence of gross negligence from Enoch. Get them gone. It's hard to disagree with that, isn't it? I mean, can you see any... I guess the justifiable reason, I would say, on a practical level is you can't bin off two important figures at the top of the club at this point in the season if you don't have a viable alternative because then it is truly rudderless. So I guess you might as well have a captain that's steering you towards an iceberg, then, I don't know.

33:53Jack:should you i mean they're both quite bad aren't they really like yeah i was trying to think of the alternative then i was like i mean the steering towards the iceberg it's quite bad actually isn't it so yeah it's basically like would you rather me fly a plane or autopilot probably autopilot yeah yeah um yeah i certainly think in uh langer's case like we don't we don't need him right now um that being said i actually think he's pretty good uh identifying young talent right so if it was if it was me if i was basically responsible for what happens next so i can hire the ceo i can decide what happens to langer and i can hire the manager i would basically say to langer look whatever happens this season whether we go down stay up we'd like you to stay on at the club but we'd like you to stay on as like head of youth recruitment if you're not willing to accept that and you want to go for you know another director of football job that's fair enough we understand that that's what we're offering to you we keep keep you on the same money but that's what we see as an offer view do you want to accept it yes or no if he says no i'd just fire him immediately right out the door see you later thanks thanks for coming goodbye with vinai i've been fairly like defensive of not of him personally but just of the idea of like as a ceo like your sort of time horizon for the things that you put into play it does take a bit longer right like it does just require more time and you're putting in strategic changes that sometimes you're looking at two or three seasons that being said I do think that he's done enough bad stuff in this short amount of time relatively speaking that he's been here to just justify just firing him and I do kind of feel like at this moment in time there are probably other tasks like for example the sort of liaising with the fans to organize things where you know the CEO needs to be a sort of across those things So just from a purely administrative aspect, I would give him a stay of execution till the last day of the season.

35:49And whatever happens, he is getting fired. And then the policy would be written in like no one with a connection to Arsenal can be in a senior position at the football club. Like they just can't. They can't be in that position. Now, it might be completely unrelated, but I just think it makes no sense. and on some level I do feel like it ties into this idea of like standards at the football club you know that young lad the coach who was like an Arsenal fan like basically bragging mugging us off like oh yeah I'm actually Arsenal but I work for Spurs lol and I don't know their badge touch it's like get out then you're fired like if you're not gonna be here and committed to that you know in any other walk of life right if like a McDonald's employee was like oh I actually like love Burger King so much I've got a Burger King t-shirt on and they were tweeting it they'd be fired they'd be fired for that right and you can't just go around like supporting essentially your main competitors and expect not to that to have an impact on how you approach your job now I'd like to think that he's like professional enough where it doesn't inform his decisions but people are people if I work for Arsenal I know I wouldn't give it 100 % I know I wouldn't because how could I?

37:01Like, it's so ingrained in me to be Spurs that certain things I'd be like, oh, just who cares? It's so true.

37:08Jack:But it really is. Even if I was there as like video editor or something for them, there'd be that bit of me, I'd be like, not that bothered. It's a decent salary, don't really care, you know? Yep. And that's that. And you can say, oh, you're like, well, that's, you know, these are professional people at the top of the game. Professional people at the top of any game do all sorts of mad shit, right? They do all sorts of mad shit. They're not perfect. They're not infallible. Like most of... If you think about most of the sort of famous, successful people, industries and that kind of stuff, they're always up to no good drink driving or like getting done for drugs or fraud or whatever it might be.

37:43They're not perfect. So this idea that they're not just going to be a little bit biased against a football club that's their biggest rival, that's just to me just obvious.