In short
This Schwab Market Update episode (Sept 10) says markets are bracing for August inflation data after a three-day slide. The key “one-two punch” is Sept 10 PPI (8:30 a.m. ET) followed by Sept 11 CPI, with ECB’s expected rate hike also in focus. It argues inflation readings could strengthen Fed hike odds (CME FedWatch ~60%), and that the Fed’s “elevator” pace (small increments) would be easier for stocks to digest.
Guests
Kevin Gordon, head of macro research/strategy at Schwab Center for Financial Research; Nathan Peterson, director of derivative research/strategy at the same center.
Notable examples
Brent crude hitting $100; 10-year yield spiking to ~4.85% after $6B Treasury buybacks; Oracle/Adobe earnings; Meta’s Muse AI agent; Chewy -11%, Casey’s -14%, Signet +24%.
Written by AI. May contain mistakes. Listen to the episode to check what was said.
Chapters
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0:45 to 1:40
Discussion of the upcoming PPI and CPI reports and their importance.
“Following PPI, Oracle and Adobe report after the close.”
Market Reactions to Inflation
1:40 to 2:58
Analysis of how the inflation data might impact Fed rate decisions.
“They were flat and 0.2 % respectively in July.”
Treasury Yields and Liquidity
2:58 to 4:45
Exploration of Treasury buybacks and their effects on yields and market.
“As of late Wednesday, odds of a rate hike at the Fed's meeting next Wednesday stood at 60%, according to the CME FedWatch tool.”
Corporate Earnings and Market Trends
4:45 to 7:11
Insights into upcoming corporate earnings and market performance trends.
“And since oil goes into everything, what about inflation getting embedded into expectations?”
Stock Movements and Market Sentiment
7:11 to 9:29
Review of individual stock performances and market sentiment shifts.
“Technically, 7 ,600 or 7 ,620 are likely lines in the sand for the S &P 500 index.”
Market Summary and Sign-Off
9:29 to 10:05
Summary of the market performance for the day and closing thoughts.
“The S &P 500 index lost 37.16 points, or 0.48%, to 7 ,636.36.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:05Welcome to the Schwab Market Update Podcast, where we prepare you for each trading day with a recap of recent news and a look at what's ahead.
0:17I'm Keith Lansford, and here is Schwab's early look at the markets for Thursday, September 10th. After waiting most of the week, investors get their first taste of August inflation data as part of a one-two punch today and tomorrow. The 8.30 a.m. Eastern Time Producer Price Index, or PPI, is something of an appetizer, as Friday's Consumer Price Index typically packs more calories in terms of market impact. Following PPI, Oracle and Adobe report after the close. Investors also await a rate decision from the European Central Bank this morning, with a hike widely expected. All this occurs with a backdrop of accelerating conflict in the Middle East.
1:02The U.S. said it struck several Iranian oil tankers earlier this week, and Iran targeted U.S. bases in Jordan. Brent crude, the international benchmark, hit$100 per barrel on Wednesday for the first time since July. PPI and CPI are the final key numbers before next week's Federal Reserve meeting, and any sign that inflation inched up from recent benign readings might strengthen arguments for a rate hike. PPI consensus is for monthly headline growth of 0.4%, but 0.2 % for core PPI, excluding food and energy. They were flat and 0.2 % respectively in July. Core annual PPI is seen at 4.6%, up from 4.2 % in July, and headline PPI is expected at 5.3%, up from 4.7%.
1:55percent. Last week's strong August jobs report eased one source of concern for the Fed, which likely wouldn't want to hike rates if the labor market struggled. Average monthly jobs growth of 71 ,000 over the last three months looked decent. Still, jobs data is typically volatile in summer months, something policymakers understand. Inflation data will continue to determine the Fed's decision to hike, said Kevin Gordon, head of macro research and strategy at the Schwab Center for Financial Research. CPI is probably the most important reading in terms of the Fed's next move. Both reports feed into the personal consumption expenditures or PCE price report due later this month that is the Fed's favored inflation indicator.
2:44CPI consensus is 0.4 percent for the headline monthly reading and 0.2 % for core, according to briefing.com. Those compare with 0.1 % and 0.2 % respectively in July. As of late Wednesday, odds of a rate hike at the Fed's meeting next Wednesday stood at 60%, according to the CME FedWatch tool. One hike wouldn't necessarily change the landscape much, nor would another by the end of the year, which futures trading pegs is possible. It's how the Fed ushers in these hikes that might ultimately matter. If we see the Fed adopt an elevator response or hiking rates in small increments, perhaps at every other meeting, stocks should be able to digest the relatively slow tightening process, Gordon said.
3:33Wednesday started the larger liquidity buybacks recently announced by the Treasury. The impact wasn't quite what Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent might have had in mind as the 10-year yield spiked to 4.85 percent, the highest since late 2023, after the announcement of$6 billion in buybacks. There may have been hopes for a higher amount, and the program ends in November. However, a 10-year Treasury note auction Wednesday saw excellent demand, Briefing.com reported, which slightly blunted the negative market impact of the underwhelming buyback. Yields at the auction were the highest since 2007, suggesting investors are relatively happy with the amount they're being paid to hold long-term debt.
4:18High oil is one factor keeping yields elevated. Progress towards ending the war faded this month, and U.S. WTI oil topped$96 by late Wednesday. Markets have been resilient in the face of rising oil prices, said Nathan Peterson, director of Derivative Research and Strategy at the Schwab Center for Financial Research. The story, however, may be getting more complicated. $95 oil is not the same as$95 oil back in April because of the SPR depletions around the globe, Peterson said. And since oil goes into everything, what about inflation getting embedded into expectations? It's a tough spot for the Fed, especially if oil prices continue to climb, and I'm not sure markets are appreciating that.
5:09SPR is a reference to the strategic reserves maintained by many countries. U.S. strategic reserves are the lowest since 1982.
5:22In corporate news, Adobe and Oracle report after the close, putting fresh focus on AI spending and software. Oracle shares have had a volatile year, falling sharply on concerns about return on investment for its AI spending. Last time the company reported, shares fell double digits despite better-than-expected results as Oracle announced another debt offering. Since then, shares have slowly risen despite pressure on free cash flow. One possible sign of AI beginning to pay off is growth in cloud computing. A 93 % annual rise in the previous quarter suggests positive developments, and the question is whether Oracle can repeat.
6:06Consensus is for earnings per share of$1.74 on revenue of$19.1 billion. Adobe shares fell sharply over the last week after announcing a CEO change, but had been rising over the last few months from their June lows, helped by general exuberance in the software sector. Major indexes sagged a third straight session Wednesday in trading reminiscent of Tuesday, weighed down by rising crude and yields in the absence of data and earnings. Small caps suffered most, but tech stocks also wilted after holding up better on Tuesday. Only one of 11 S &P 500 sectors climbed Wednesday, and it was energy. The percentage of S &P 500 stocks trading above their 50-day moving average plunged to 36 percent from above 45 percent at the end of last week.
7:01Growth areas like consumer discretionary and industrials exposed to rising borrowing costs and possible economic softness fared worse. Semiconductors rose slightly. Technically, 7 ,600 or 7 ,620 are likely lines in the sand for the S &P 500 index. A drop below that level could lead to more feeble buying demand, Peterson said. Checking individual movers Wednesday, Meta Platforms jumped 5 % following Meta's introduction late yesterday of its Muse personal AI agent, which it called secure, private, and personal Apple fell slightly despite introducing a folding iPhone that will be more expensive than the current product Some analysts said the price hike wasn't as high as they expected, raising margin concerns Chewy dropped 11 % despite beating analysts' earnings and revenue estimates.
8:00Investors seemed unimpressed with how the quarter shook out, nevertheless. Lyft fell 8 % as it reaffirmed guidance. Market participants may have been hoping for a Lyft, so to speak. SK Hynix jumped 7 % as memory chip prices stayed robust. HP rose about 5 % after announcing an AI-related collaboration with Red Hat and NVIDIA. SpaceX fell almost 4 % after GE Aerospace paid$11.75 billion for turbine bladecaster consolidated precision products, Barron's reported. This raised competition fears in the turbine market after SpaceX CEO Elon Musk recently mused about SpaceX entering the bladecasting business.
8:49Lithium Americas climbed 6 % following a J.P. Morgan Chase upgrade to overweight from neutral. The firm cited increased lithium price assumptions. Casey's General Stores tumbled 14 % despite earnings that topped estimates. An unchanged outlook, slower sales growth inside its stores, and rising operating expenses might have disappointed, Barron's noted. Signet Jewelers popped 24 % following solid earnings and a guidance boost, and Academy Sports and Outdoors climbed 14 % following strong earnings. The Dow Jones Industrial Average fell 405.41 points or 0.77 % Wednesday to 52 ,380.66. The S &P 500 index lost 37.16 points, or 0.48%, to 7 ,636.36.
9:48And the NASDAQ composite gave back 168.07 points, or 0.64%, to 26 ,253.34. This has been the Schwab Market Update Podcast. To stay informed, visit www.schwab.com slash market update or follow us for free in your favorite podcasting app. And if you like what you've heard, please consider leaving us a rating or a review. It really helps new listeners find the show. Join us for another update tomorrow.
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From the publisher
August PPI is due at 8:30 a.m ET and precedes CPI Friday. Both have Fed rate implications. Stocks fell early this week on rising oil and yields. Oracle and Adobe report later.
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