All the Details on Taylor Swift’s Gaudy Wedding

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1:00Welcome to Second Thought, where you'll find our unfiltered takes on pop culture and the best stories from unpopular culture. That's right, the stories no one's talking about. I'm Suzy Weiss, and today I'm joined by my co-host, Dana Dute, to unpack this week's very important news. We are going to talk about Paris Hilton's crusade for justice for rich teens, how people are using AI to speak with their dead parents, and so much more, including, of course, yes, Taylor Swift Sweating. Are you ready to go? I cannot wait. Okay, are we ready to talk about Taylor Swift Sweating? Oh, cannot wait. Really?

1:33No, I can totally wait, but I will because I know you can't wait. I cannot wait to talk about, we're gathered here today. Who gets married at Madison Square Garden? This is insane. Here's what we know. We know she got married at Madison Square Garden. We know it was the 4th of July weekend. We know there were about 1 ,000 people. We know there were only about 150 seats at the actual wedding. We know it was a buffet style. Get out. And TMZ has reported. We know what the menu included. Apparently, they ran out of champagne, but that's kind of been debunked. Here's what's on the menu at the wedding.

2:08Sushi, pasta, chicken, salads, filet, and a selection of Chinese, Italian, and American favorites. That's what the hell? Look, we know that Taylor Swift has basic tastes. So this is very on brand. This isn't basic. This is schizophrenic. Chinese, Italian, and American favorite. Pick a lane. What is this? That's too many types of food. Oh, do you like a targeted? I don't like a targeted wedding thing. I want to be able to choose my own adventure. But every ethnicity present? Yeah. That's a food court, brother. I want a Mongolian barbecue. Yeah. Korean barbecue? Korean barbecue. I want like a risotto station.

2:48No. Yeah. No. I hate the station. I want a cereal bar for the entrees. I once went to a vegan wedding. I hope they're divorced. No, don't say that. That's so crazy. To put that upon your guests. This is crazier. If it was a vegan destination wedding, like they make you travel for quinoa, I'd fucking no. Yeah, you'd blow it up. Here's the thing. I actually don't mind a buffet. I think food for that many people can be kept better buffet or family style. Like individually, individual plated meal. I don't think they had to do. But this is psychotic. No, it's great. It's great. You think it was good?

3:28Your probe at the MSG wedding on 4th of July weekend? Absolutely. Oh, no, I'm okay. We're talking about the food. Okay, yeah, let's start with the food. You did not fool me into the whole thing. Of course. But I like the way they serve the food here. I thought it's, because a lot of these, you would think a celebrity would be like, oh, we hired this like really fancy chef and they're going to make you really fancy things. No, look, we can afford anyone and we're going to get Panda Express. It was Panda Express and Noodles and Co. Maybe they just like created like a pathway from MSG to Penn Station and they were like, guys, just go get whatever you want.

4:03We'll pay for it. Like they handed out vouchers like when your plane is delayed. Go. There's a Sparrow if you want. Well, I keep being like she had a Sparrow wedding. Have you been in Penn Station after midnight? Like after a show at MSG? It's terrifying down there. It's horrible. Really? I mean, it is like the dregs. I just can't even. I mean, not that I don't think they were like taking the train home. Right. But it's just so crazy to me. If we can back up for a second. If the whole point of getting married at MSG is privacy, right? Right. They don't want the paparazzi there. why can't you just rent out a whole hotel pull the shades down and have the party in the courtyard you know what i mean i just feel like there's so many ways to get privacy they know people who have islands yeah huge estates there's so many like private fun exciting places they could have done it at with a view with the outside yeah you're so hungry you're just hearing the trains during the wedding like the penn station trains are just going by like it's shaking a little not to mention Adam Sandler, officiated.

5:07Oh, really? Weird. The guest list at this wedding. I'm just going to read you my favorite names. George Stephanopoulos. Huh. No, absolutely no reason. Jamie Oliver. Sorry. The last thing I want at my wedding is Jamie Oliver yelling at me about the chicken nuggets. And a Filipino singer named Bida Booby. Wait, wait. Wait. B-ba-dooby. Wait. Okay, wait a second. There was a Filipino singer at Taylor Swift's wedding named Biba Doobie. Wait. We're so good. Hold on. It's done. It's done. I really hope that we keep in you messing up Biba Boobie's name and not just cut to you saying it perfectly. Because that's a crazy name.

5:52Biba Doobie. Have you heard of this person? Oh, God. This is like Shibuzi with the hoodie. Be for real. Be so for real right now. How can you go by that? You work in journalism. It's so B. My friend worked for two chains for an afternoon. You're supposed to call him Mr. Chains. Oh my God. Like first name two, last name chains. I can't wait for him to get knighted. It's so chains to you. Why would you have these people at your wedding? Jamie Oliver, British chef Jamie. Wait, was Beba Booby performing or just there because they want to hang with Beba Booby? Was Beba Booby performing? my little cousin Bella had French Montana at her bat mitzvah isn't that insane that's insane absolutely crazy oh my god at least you could pronounce his name French Montana everyone knows Mr.

6:47Montana to you Mr. Montana French excuse me French um this what this did sort of give bat mitzvah not least because there was a raffle it's like is there a pinata at this wedding what is going on there was a raffle for designer chanel bags and a car what kind of car was it it was the 1970 chevrolet chevelle what it was like a ford pinto what a random it's like wheel of fortune why would there be a raffle at a wedding i just it doesn't make any sense that's what a thing people do also wouldn't you think that two people who are in the spotlight everywhere working so hard don't you just want to take it easy on your wedding night don't you want to just like relax and actually you don't have to always put on a show for everyone well that's the thing it's like never have two 36 year olds existed who have gotten more standing ovations applause acclaim trophies like they have it all they get that every week yeah it's their job to get acclaim yeah and work hard for it but still so it's like what is this even what like what itch is this scratching for you what's you know what's really weird is that this is super off-brand for me for what i thought they would do what did you think they would i thought it would be like a tiny intimate kind of close friends it doesn't make sense to me it makes no sense i mean imagine driving around in that car and it's like nice car it's like yeah i wanted a wedding like i wanted it's so weird hey george stefanopolis why are you driving that classic why do you look like leon the professional why is george stefanopoulos driving around the hamptons looking like a hitman from the 70s in a convertible right that's like 40 you know feet wide yeah and it probably has that the jumpy suspension on it too wait you sent me the craziest thing about the trash oh yes what was this there's an artist who i think is brilliant who collected all the trash that was like in trash cans around the place, put it in little cubes and sold it for$25 a cube.

8:55Trash from the wedding. Oh, that's a reasonable price. 25 bucks. For trash. I mean, Andy Warhol used to do that. He used to collect like detritus from his days. And you could see it's almost like an archive, like a library of little like cubes of his day. But, you know, the best artists steal. Would you buy a tailor? Here's the thing. It's not garbage from her wedding. It's garbage from around the location that her wedding took place at. It's garbage from like public trash cans around Penn Station, around Midtown. Yeah. Which is insane. Would I buy it? I would buy it as a gift for you. That's a great gift.

9:33If there's any left, I swear to God, when we're done recording, I'm buying you. I think they all sold out. I'm sure they sold out very quickly. Really? Well, I'll go tonight and I'll get a cube of garbage from there for you. Paul McCartney performed, Stevie Nicks. That's cool. Charles Barkley said no. Yeah, he said he doesn't go to weddings or funerals. I love that. He's like, I can't get too excited in any direction. Like, I got to keep it moderate. No big human moments for me. I wonder if he goes to like a bris. I only do circumcision. That's all I will do. It is so wild. I mean, there also were videotaping the whole thing.

10:12presumably there will be a special out taylor's famous for like sort of hyper producing these moments um so and then packaging them later so we'll see how much money does she how much money do you need taylor how much money do you need like you need to she's got a billy you need to make i don't know this thing's so wrong about that for me it's like you need to turn your wedding into uh something that i'm going to be marketing watching on netflix after you know the last watch it though like the last episode of beef it's just going to like roll into taylor's wedding With Adam Sandler officiating?

10:44And I just want to say, I drew Taylor Swift. And you saw my daughter. I love you so much. At a certain point, I appreciate that just like, I'm a basic white girl, and I'm just going to go the whole way with this. But like, whoa. I can't wait for all the content. I can't wait for her to have a child and bring us in there in HD and watch the whole thing. Is she going to give birth at MSG? Yes, birth at MSG. When she turns 40 and has her first colonoscopy, We're all going to be there. At MSG. Can't wait. Okay. I got to say the winner of this wedding and really the past four months has been James Dolan, hands down.

11:23The king proprietor of Madison Square Garden and the Sphere. Apparently they're building one in D.C. and in London. James Dolan always comes out on top. Yeah. I know. And friend of Trump. Trump the whole time when they were like, are you going to go to MSG? He was like, James Dolan invited me. I'm going to go. Great. Great guy. Of course they're friends, like Real Recognize Real, like crazy developers with like insane paranoia. But James Dolan, we'd love for you to come on the pod, talk about all the surveillance state that is Madison Square Garden. And now a quick word from our sponsor. At the Free Press, we're pretty obsessed with one big idea, that most topics deserve more honesty and more depth than they're getting.

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13:15You blew Bam a kiss? I go, hi, Bam. I mean, it was so like, oh, like it was crazy. Wow. It was like Leonardo DiCaprio was in front of me. Oh, I didn't know you were so starstruck by Bam. Oh, yeah, because he's also like, is Bam Margera. Like he's carrying a skateboard. He has the gold tooth. Oh, fun. And there's the new Jackass movie out, which he is not a part of because he got in legal trouble because he was drinking when he shouldn't have been. But he let them use old footage for the latest movie. But he is kind of like he's not really doing promotion and there's no new footage of Bam. That's very funny to get kicked off the Jackass movie for being irresponsible.

13:53Yeah, exactly. Yeah. You know, you like really like push the limits. You went a little too far. If they were like, we can't countenance this behavior anymore. We can't staple your balls to your leg because you're a little drunk. Yeah, you're a little too drunk. So Jackass, for those of you who live under a rock, is a show where guys get into crazy antics bits. It's basically just daring each other. They're kind of like urban punk clown daredevil stuntmen. And it was really big in the 90s, the early 2000s. And now, allegedly, it's been said before, the last installment of the Jackass movie is out.

14:30It's called Jackass Best and Last. Dan, are you a jackass guy? Humongous jackass fan. I think the jackass movies are the funniest movies. In terms of laugh per second, LPSs, you don't get more LPSs in anything. No. Except for the jackass movies. And gasps and cringe, wince. I mean, it's so... Did you see this latest one? I haven't seen it yet. It's so good. I saw it in theaters. You saw it in theaters? I saw it in theaters, and then I walk outside, and my friend was seeing that movie Backrooms. And I was like, oh, what was it about? And he was like, it was sort of a metaphor for the multiverse.

15:03And, you know, it had a lot to do with the internet and our fake selves. And it's like, you have no idea what that movie was about. I can tell you what Jackass was about. Guys doing gross stuff. Yeah. Hitting each other in the nuts. Camaraderie. Friendship. Healthy male masculinity. Yeah. The sanctity of horsing around. You know, it was incredible. I loved every second of it. I agree with you. I think it's the best. It's like, it's real life Looney Tunes. Johnny Knoxville showed an unbelievable level of integrity and leadership during his career, I would say, as the master of ceremonies of Jackass.

15:35Yeah. Not to throw shade on the building, but they walked from MTV because MTV was getting so much pressure to cancel the show. So MTV was like, can you censor it? Can you take out the gnarliest bits? Can you run it by us? And Johnny Knoxville, at the height of Jackass's popularity, three seasons in, probably around 2002, 2003, was like, we're out. Good for him. And then they started the movie franchise, which was rated R, so they could do all sorts of different things. The other thing is that Johnny Knoxville always does the craziest things. Yes, he is hurt the most. He's hurt the most. He is always hurt the most.

16:08He leads by example. I know. And it's like he's not, he doesn't put anyone through anything he's not willing to do. It's so old school. It's kind of like, you know how in World War I, all the students from Oxford were on the front lines? Yeah, I love that. They're like, we must also be without, now it's like, no, no, I'm good. They should remake the King's Speech, but with Johnny Knoxville. That would be really good. I really, I think everyone should go see it. I think everyone should play bumper cars with grocery carts. Did you ever do the stunts? Like, I feel like you were kind of, maybe you were a little after like the true craze of it.

16:42No, I was during, stop dating me. I know. In my head, I'm like, were you ever doing jackass stunts? But I know you were at like Le Cirque in a chef hat. That's true. I know you were like trying to like learn how to like fillet a frog leg or something. thing you know i never did i don't know that i did jackass stunts like that but i did like light a forest fire oh let's go to the next topic okay do you want me to tell me about something i do okay so i read this crazy story out of south korea where people are paying companies to make ai video messages from dead relatives i will say that kanye west was early to this He made a hologram of Robert Kardashian for Kim Kardashian's birthday while they were married.

17:27Incredibly moving scene on Keeping Up With The Kardashians. But now, look, we're all going to get access to Kim's birthday gift. Anyone can get it. And I think it's insane. It's insane because I think once death becomes a product, there's going to be tears. There's going to be bronze tear, like your grandma just waves at you. And then silver tear is like, she tells you how great you are. And then gold tear. It's like, don't listen to them. Marry her. Yeah. Like you can get them to say things that they never would have said in real life. Yeah. It's going to be crazy. Whoa. I don't know if I like that.

18:01There's going to be like a free trial of your dead grandpa. Yeah. Can you tweak? Like, do you think you could be like, make them a little less judgmental of my clothing and stuff? Oh, there's just going to be a form of therapy. Like therapists are going to use this and take people's dead relatives and just program them to like say the, I love you. Like, you know, it's okay you became a comedian. You know, we forgive you or whatever. Actually, that was one of the things that happened on the Korean guys in this AP story. He said, like, I'm okay that you didn't go into medical school. Oh, God. Which, that's like for a Korean grandfather to say that?

18:38Yeah, there's no way. There is no way. I'm happy you became... Graphic design's a great path. You became a puppeteer. Wow. Yeah. That's why I fought in the war. that is so dark i mean we were talking about this a few weeks ago with sofia rossi with like the michael jackson biopic and all of these other ones where you're going to be able to reanimate famous people you're going to have to stipulate in your will matthew mcconaughey is very big on this copyright name and likeness yeah etc what you want to happen with yourself and like should dana doop be touring into the 2050s i think maybe no have at it yeah Have at it, guys.

19:18Okay, speaking of death, have you heard of death doulas? I have. I read the article in the free press. Oh, wasn't it good? Kat Rosenfield's really on fire. She's awesome. Okay, for those who have not read it yet, though you absolutely should, death doulas is a job that's gaining a lot of traction online. It's sort of like a death coach. It's not medical, but it's a person who comes in, takes care of administrative things, can sort of, in like a genie-like way, grant wishes. They're there to like kind of emotionally support you as you make the transition into the next life. On one hand, I'm very open to this, especially because about to be in a big death boom.

19:57Boomers are about to die. God knows they're like millennial kids aren't going to have the patience and the wherewithal to take care of them. But on the other hand, I don't know how comfortable I would feel like inviting someone in who found out about death doulas on TikTok and took a course about how to use a stethoscope into like the most intimate moment of your life, the most intense and kind of weighty moment. What do you think of death doulas? Would you use one? Big fan. Huge fan of death doulas. Yes. You know why? Say it. Well, regular doulas, I think, are dumb. OK, well, the thing with regular doulas is just get a midwife.

20:32Well, it's also like, okay, there's a chance. The point of a regular doula is life. Life, yeah. Okay? You don't want to fuck that up. So often it's death. You don't want to mess that up. Bring in all the doctors. Bring in all the fluorescent lights. I don't care if it's not like the most pleasant experience of your life. That baby's going to live. Yeah. Death doula. The point of this is death. Even if you mess up, as long as a person dies, you're okay. Yeah, it's like the only way to mess up is they live too long. It's a no-lose situation. It's a no-lose situation. It's such a good point. It's better than nothing.

21:03It's better than you being alone in a hospital bed and no one's in there. Send some. Some Zoomer. I don't care who it is. Send some spectrum-y kid in there to hold your hand. To hold your hand. Who cares? Exactly. You cannot screw it up. You can't screw it up. Well, maybe you could, though. I mean, you could start taking a TikTok of the rigor mortis. Things can get weird. But I think if you leave your phone outside, it's probably fine. I was fascinated by this, though, because the death doula would ask, like, how do you want to die? Like, what do you want to see? And this one person was like, I want to be on the beach.

21:36I know. It was so moving. And they put sand under her feet, and they projected the waves on the ceiling. And I was like, this is kind of awesome. It's kind of beautiful. What would you want your last scene to be? Oh, probably Jackass Best and Last. Oh. Yeah, probably those. You want to be shot out of the cannon or something? Yeah, I want to be shot out of it. yeah no i just want to be watching jackass yeah yeah i would want like an immersive dmv experience i want to be at the dmv oh yeah because you know because then i know that in the next like anywhere i'm going is going to be better than this right right start low and then it's like take me take me yeah so you're begging for death by the end yeah oh i i kind of think that's a great idea or i'd put yacht rock on because you can't be in a bad mood when yacht rock is on you can't listen to what a fool believes and not smile like you're gonna have a fun death i know i really i have to say i tip my hat to these women who may be a little macabre uh and interested in the grim but they are performing a service that i think a lot of people are gonna need because it is weird it's like the funeral director the funeral home doesn't really come into play until later Well, then that's the thing.

22:48I feel like the funerals, leave them how they are. We don't need this. You like a funeral? Because there was some crazy stuff in the article about bespoking the whole funeral thing. Yeah, it was like there's a beef, a riff between the death doulas and the funeral director industrial complex. It's like Biggie Tupac. Yeah, and they sort of accuse the funeral directors of being predatory, of doing this one-size-fits-all approach to grief, of kind of corporatizing it. I don't know how true that is. Well, these people are taking the oldest human experience and they're like, can we make it a boutique wellness service?

23:21Like there was one part where she's like, one of the doulas was like, yeah, when my sister dies, I kept her corpse in my house for 11 days and I dressed it up in different. I'm like, oh, OK, you're you're you know, you stick to this sitting next to someone while they're dying. But once they're dead, we need to take that body away from you. Right. Because then it then it sort of becomes a hazardous situation. situation though jews watch the body if you're if you die on shabbat you watch the body for until shabbat's over yeah but you're not like dressing it up like someone from kiss you're just watching you're watching the body so no one snatches the body my view is basically like once they're dead the person is not there anymore and anything that comes after is for the living um so i mean do whatever you want you know whose funerals kind of sound nice Osama bin Laden baby burial at sea yeah I think that's sort of beautiful you know you didn't have to talk about the Osama bin Laden part you could have just said burial at sea burial I mean who else do you know who got a burial at sea I have no idea only Osama I don't know I thought it was a lovely way to do it yeah yeah they got Osama got it he got an amazing send off it's like so majestic yeah yeah I'm just saying like there was the talk of like water cremation in the story but that's just when they dissolve you in acid, which seems way, way worse than cremation.

24:44It's not a water. I mean, the only person who got a water cremation is Osama. Yeah. It's not a water cremation. So it's basically they fill a bath with acid. It's like you've been murdered by Jeffrey Dahmer. It's a Jeffrey Dahmer cremation. Oh my God. Yeah, I don't know about all that. No bueno. Give me the OBL. Yeah, give me that OBL, baby. Off the side of the USS, like one of those ships, like a naval observer? Yes, I know. I think it's because they knew that jihadists are not scuba divers. Yeah, the Venn diagram, it's like a sliver in the middle. Not a lot of jihadists. Well, they're not going to go down there and find him.

25:19No, they don't know. What treasures await us at the bottom of the sea?

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26:37Huh. You know what I mean? No, different guy. Like the Dutch sort of like. Oh, maybe same guy. Okay. Whatever. It doesn't matter. Anyway, everyone was like, this is it. People are coming here for sports news. America's gonna win. And everyone was getting so excited. And we were all watching soccer and pretending like we liked it. And then they lost. Like, it was really embarrassing. And now we can go back to not liking soccer. Everyone can just replay the USA hockey team win if they need another hit. We don't need to win soccer. Like, leave it to someone else. Leave it to someone else. It's a horrible game, human foosball.