Claudia Oshry Gets Real: Internet Fame, Blake Lively, GLP-1s & More

0:00Thank you, Mario Batali. We'd like to dedicate this episode to Mario Batali. And his grabby little hands.

0:09Claudia Oshry is here with us. If you do not know Claudia, I honestly do not know what you do with your free time. She is one of the great talkers, really one of the great comedians of our moment. As I was preparing for the show, I thought she really is the Joan Rivers of the internet. Oh my god. You really are. Seriously, thank you. As I often say, she is the verbal IQ of a gay man. she's a media moguless a girl with no job Claudia Oshry welcome to Second Thought oh my god best intro ever and also it does feel like the time to bring up the fact that I actually posthumously went to Joan Rivers' like iconic 5th Avenue apartment oh my god is it preserved like a museum okay so like you know it was bought by some foreign money like people just need to park their money in the city and they haven't touched it and if you watched her documentary piece of work which of course I did of course it's featured in it you know quite heavily and it's a landmark it should be landmarked by the city and I went because the person who like I shouldn't like it's like Monticello like and I know that's on mom daddy's list of like important things to do and I'm excited about it but yes I have been there and I just feel like that's a fun fact about me I always forget the cool stuff that I've done you know well I've read your I just read your book and all the cool stuff that you've done it's amazing when I wrote my book I was like let's think of the cool things that I've done the famous people that I have met like I met Elon Musk at a party like before he was Elon Musk he was like just the genius who was like doing space yeah of course and he was like I love your blog and I was like you do I don't even have a blog like I knew what he meant you know it was very exciting being like fake internet famous is a trip it's not fake I love it it's not fake you I mean I just started this podcast I'm honestly like you are the blueprint for me oh my god it's really true and I went you had me on your show twice twice which I was really honored to be asked back and it's like it's a machine like you guys just know and of course your sisters you have this like language that's so I'm here with a clunker Dan Covo it's not even related and I'm just you know how do you do it it's every single day it's every day and obviously to people who don't do it it sounds like insane um we've been doing it since like 2018 so at this point it's just truly like ingrained in who I am and I love being a daily show I feel like it really sets us apart the only other daily show is the daily like yeah in terms of like popular podcast a lot of podcasts released twice three times a week we're the only daily pop culture show and i feel like our intention in the beginning with the show was like you know the view but not like fabissina and just like funny and like not about nato but about the bachelor and the view but what we actually want to talk about and the view is like meant the view for women and not that women can't be interested in politics but like i know a lot of women who just aren't interested and don't want to be and like for me they're sports right like I feel like recently pop culture celebrity culture reality tv has become like a serious thing but like when I was growing up it was like look down and I'm like guilty pleasure no it's not fucking guilty pleasure it's good like and it's it's entertainment and it's worthy of being dissected right and it's like nobody considers sports to be like a guilty pleasure for men even though they're all like losing their houses on those apps like gambling but it's like girls watching love island guilty pleasure I hate that shit no no it's just a pleasure right it's just a pleasure it's a pleasure oh my god that's so true and did you like you start you had the morning breath initially at AOL and then you transitioned you started the morning or the toast and did you think it would be this popular like you must have no I really didn't what's so funny is we like largely identify as a podcast now obviously like this we film it and it's available you know on Spotify correct switcher what is the word stitcher you can watch it anywhere.

3:41But we were just like really inspired. It was very much like an iCarly like type of web show. We wanted to be like web show hosts. And I remember when we first started, we didn't have a lot of listeners, but people were like, you know, I listened to some podcasts. Podcasts were very new. Yes. Do you think you could rip the audio from this and just like upload it as a podcast? And we literally just like Googled it. We were doing it through SoundCloud, like so janky. And it's our like largest platform now. More people listen than watch. And now a quick word from our sponsor. At The Free Press, we're pretty obsessed with one big idea that most topics deserve more honesty and more depth than they're getting.

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5:19Oh, the internet thinks I'm annoying. Cool. I probably am. Family's the center of gravity. The nonsense of the world has faded. It no longer has any power over me. I can be serious. Yeah, I can. Do you stand by this? Oh, absolutely. Not that like if you have a lot of problems, you should just like have a kid as an attempt to fix them. It was just sort of a nice side effect of becoming a mom. And yeah, like I think as a chronically online person and somebody whose job is to be well-liked and you go through phases where people hate you and people like you, it can be very emotionally challenging.

5:49And there were many years where I didn't have a lot of inner peace and I was just always worried about this and that. Like when's the other shoe going to drop? Yeah, and just like, is the show growing? Am I irrelevant? And like, I don't care. I just like, I don't anymore. Like I make a living and that's amazing. And I have such a flexible job. I can, you know, record my podcast in the morning and I can spend as much time as I want being a business woman and as much time as I want as being a mom. And it's just the best. Like it's I'm good. Does being has being a mom made you funnier? I mean, I think so.

6:16I think so. I think so, too. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, I have more to talk about. More to talk about and more. You have a thing about you that so many people relate to. Yeah, I think when you talk about motherhood in like an attempt to be funny, you more often than not just come across negative. Right. And I'm going to kill it. Yeah, it's like crazy. that's like one of my biggest pet peeves when people are so negative about parenthood like obviously it's hard like obviously yeah yeah and it's like yeah it's so real to like talk about it but I don't want to talk about like I want to talk about how great it is so it's hard to be funny without being negative and like just being a negative like I try when I follow other moms on social media like I try to only follow people who are positive and uplifting and like make motherhood look attractive not upsetting right there are parts of it that are upsetting of course but like I just don't try to admit that type of energy I really appreciate that yeah I I feel like the whole like, I need a glass of wine and to lock them in the basement.

7:02Like it's tired. The shit people say about their kids online is like genuinely not okay. Well, and then showing their kids online, that's a whole different can of worms. It is. And I used to be one of those people who was like, you know, whatever you want. And I feel like I'm not anymore. Yeah. I'm just not. I get that. I want to transition a little bit away from motherhood and into your book. Yes. I wrote one. New York Times. Can you sign it? And you know what? Will you sign it for me? Absolutely. While you're at it, will you sign Lena Dunham's Fame Sick? No. In the words of Jessica Chastain, I can't sign a book and it write.

7:36I, thank you for bringing the paperback. And I just want to say, yes, I am a New York Times bestseller. And just one of the great tragedies of my life is like, obviously, I wanted to be a New York Times bestseller. Like, there's no point in writing a book. Honestly. Especially on the internet. It's like, oh, she did or she didn't. And I worked really hard. And it's my first book that I ever wrote. And I did become a New York Times bestseller. And they put a dagger next to my name. Do you know what that means? Oh, that means it's like Amazon. on sales no it means like you bulk bought your own book and so if anybody's ever watched the Sutton Foster series on Lifetime Younger there was like a big scandal she worked at a publishing house and like this person had a dagger whatever it means you bulk buy your own book which I fucking didn't okay I just want to say I had amazing sales and when my publisher called me to tell me that I got on the New York Times and she was like and there's a dagger I said excuse me like I worked so hard for every single sale and we like asked the times why like I was demanding or attraction and they don't respond and they just probably go fuck myself so yeah i have a dagger there i mean the times bestseller list obviously it's a huge accomplishment but it can be gamed and it's like a crazy thing it's not based on merit which is just inherently backwards for like a chart right um like the usa today one is is in order of who sold if you sold one book you're here if you sold two books you're here um were you on that one yeah of course and a much higher place than i was in the new york times because new york times is editorialized right and I don't think they love putting like influencers on it you know but it's really an amazing book thank you and thank you for oh my god I loved it and two of the through lines that I picked up on one was your relationship with your sisters everything and like the culture the four of you guys cultivated which I can relate to you guys you guys are very weiss coded weiss coded but also I would say Kardashian thank you I think I think there's no bigger compliment we've been like on the kardashians not no not on the show we've been on to them we're like day one fans when they were on e and i think we really connected with them like we were upset we still are but we were obsessed with them and everybody goes through different phases because it's not like set in stone like she's the kim she's no everybody's evolving and the girls are evolving to the kardashians you know it's like sex in the city like all of them are in all of us okay i'm glad you brought up sex in the city because i have a huge part of my book about it because i feel like growing up you know nobody wanted to be the miranda right like she had short hair and like ugly clothes and like they just made her life look like less attractive than the others she was slumpy she was always and i feel like when you grow up and you realize like i remember me and my friends we'd be like shot not miranda nobody wanted to be miranda and then you grow up and you re-watch the show and it's like actually no thank you i would like to be miranda she owned her apartment by herself she had a fucking job nobody else did right and she was so real i feel like actually my personality is most miranda she's very cynical.

10:13She's funny. She's a good friend. She's the only good friend. She's the only good friend. She's the only one who will lend Carrie money. Uh-huh. And I think she's the best relationship. She started on an episode where Carrie's asking everyone for money. Like, brokey. I can't. I hate that episode. And she gets mad at Charlotte for not, like, giving her her engagement ring from Tiffany from Trey. Carrie's the fucking worst. That happens a lot when you go back and watch old shows. Like, the protagonist who you're supposed to relate and love is actually demonic. Yeah. Susan Meyer, Desperate Housewives.

10:38I never watched Desperate Housewives. Lena Dunham. Girls. You never watched? But Lena Dunham identifies as a show. Wait. Famously. You never watched Desperate Housewives? No. And you watch a pop culture podcast? No, no. We went over this like the other day. It's like so, I missed out on so much culture. It's actually an emergency. You're an aficionado. Actually, you know, it's not too late. Yeah. You can watch Desperate Housewives. I've watched it like three times in five. No, no, no. I'm telling you. Just then don't go looking at Marsha Cross's Instagram because it's insane. Just don't. But other than that, it's a perfect show.

11:07Do you know certain things where you're like, I'm not doing that. I didn't do Love Story. Yeah. I didn't do. There's a couple of things I just won't do. I don't do like Vanderpump. I'm not doing the Iran War. I just don't want to participate. I'm not doing the Iran War either. Like there's a couple of things. I hear you. Did you do Love Story? I did do Love Story. The thing is, is when you, and you'll come to learn as now a podcaster. Yeah. You kind of have to. Like no one's going to come to you for pop culture if you like haven't engaged in any of the culture. And so I find myself watching things and like wanting to die.

11:37But I have to because we have the show and we have to talk about it on the show. And that's very much how I felt about Misery and Misery, Misery 1 and Misery 2, Carolyn and John Kennedy. One of the worst shows, which is so crazy because the first episode was amazing. And then it's like they got a new director or something because the whole rest of the show was a piece of shit. Like actual garbage. I watched the pilot. I just thought the script was really like bad. Pilot. The pilot. The pilot. Yikes. And shout out to Constance Zimmer who played the mother of Carolyn and her sister. And she did a really good job.

12:06She was amazing. Dana Gordon from Entourage. That's like my skill. Like, give me an actor, and I'll tell you, like, what their real name is and then their character's name, like, and what they were in. I love that. Thanks. You have unbelievable recall. Which is crazy, because, um. Because you write in the book that you have a horrible. Can I remember a single person's name? Yeah. Like, gun to your head, who is that? I know. Damn. Okay, you're good. Was I right? Yes, you were good. Okay, back to my question. Yes, I'm sorry. I'm Barbara Walters. Okay, so one of the through lines was your sisters.

12:40Oh, and I was going to say that Kylie was on Kid Cudi's podcast recently. And he was like, who do you think is cool? And she was like, my family. Which I really get from you too. So chic. Oh, thanks. The other through line that I picked up on was that you always sort of knew you wanted to be known. Yes. Or that you would be good at being famous. Yes, yes. And that's where the internet, like when I didn't have like a traditional skill, like some people get famous as like an actor. And obviously I do have an amazing singing voice, but that was not going to be my path. and that's where the internet is so great for someone like me just to be able to figure it out, and I was always told, like, as a kid, I just had a lot of energy, and I loved attention, and I would just, like, sort of command rooms.

13:17They're like, oh, you're gonna be famous, but they never said for what, you know? Right, right. And I'm still not entirely sure, like, what I'm famous for, but I just know I'm happy to be here. I think you're just famous for, like, keeping it real. Yeah, for talking. Well, you're an entertainer, I think, at what, is that how you would call it? Yeah, I mean, like, at different phases of my life, like, I've done comedy I've been an author I would say I largely identify as a podcaster now but ask me tomorrow I don't know it may be different Mama Mama of course Mama Can we talk about confidence? Oh sure yeah because you wrote in the book also The book was like a couple years ago Okay okay okay Normalize changing your mind But you wrote I think this is extremely relatable and a lot of women will relate to it and I wonder I want to know if it's still true for you I'm both the most and least confident person in the world when I walk into a party I feel like the most beautiful and the ugliest woman in the room and I am both like the duality of woman you know it's so true yeah I am delusional in a lot of ways on like what I think about myself and that goes both positive and negative like I am like I know I'm a timeless beauty yeah and I'm the classic American beauty and the ugliest bitch you'll ever meet in your whole fucking life and I don't know like how to exist you know I exist somewhere in the in-between honestly right and it's like putting yourself out there a way of like getting it reflected back to you so you'll learn which one is true that's an interesting I'm really not interested in other people's opinions of my looks like let me just tell you it's if you have a thought and you want to like leave in the comment section of this video don't don't do not come okay do not come do not come like for real um so yeah confidence is a tricky thing I feel like when it comes to work stuff I'm like fully confident like you want me on your pot like I'll crush you'll crush I don't have any qualms about like anything other than my physical self which I do think is is pretty relatable like for most women can you talk about getting dressed for the roast of Rob Lowe in 2016.

15:16Do I have to? Like seriously one of the worst fucking movies in my life. It was so funny. Well, you know, and what's so funny is like in 2016, I thought that I was like the ugliest person you've ever seen. And now we're back in pictures. Like I'm so fucking cute. Of course. This is 10 years ago. And so I thought that like getting just was my first red carpet event. I was being paid to go. It was like this insane opportunity. And it was with Comedy Central. And I was like trying really hard to break into like the traditional comedy space. So it was a really big deal for me. and unfortunately like I had to wear clothes which was just like not gonna work yeah and I remember feeling like the idea of me finding something that was gonna fit and that was gonna work was just impossible I was like seriously a size medium like I was like there's no way I can find something like they don't they don't have enough fabric for me you're gonna say on fabric I literally just now I went to Zara like I went to Zara and I just bought like a big ass jacket and it was like tinfoil color and I like threw on these boots like it was turnt it was turnt and I still have the jacket I just want to say because I'm extremely frugal um it was just and I just want to say getting ready for events and red carpets like it has not changed it still feels like the biggest mountain to climb when I went on tour and I was like filming comedy specials I literally had a costume that was pajamas yeah because it just took one thing out of the equation for me right it just made the whole idea feel more doable feel more lighter like feel more just doable yeah and you feel comfortable oh my god and not like as you wrote about the outfit you wore the roasted frapplo like a baked potato a baked potato and just like feeling comfortable is everything and i'm married now like i don't have to wear heels you know right i just like i don't participate in that type of culture so if that's why you should get married you don't have to wear heels that's why women should get married for like a couple of reasons you don't have to carry your own bags in the airport and so you don't have to wear you need a big one yours is nice and big a big what husband oh you need a big husband yeah yeah and I'm not like he's huge he's huge and he happens to be really tall I'm not like a like a height Nazi yeah like I'm five foot zero like I could have and it's actually rude of me to have married someone six one because like someone who was five nine really deserved it but whatever um nonetheless I am not like a height person but I do feel like you need a big husband like no it could be it could be wide yeah I love a chubby tall or wide yeah i'm not particular about where the size comes from so you always knew you were going to be famous you weren't sure for what but you did do it yeah claudia was recently on the mass singer reality show was yes yes queen corgi queen corgi let's not forget it i love her um you have a obviously the blog the podcast the media company has being inside the machine change the way you talk about it or think about it like you're a famous person talking about inside the machine okay so Joan Rivers famously once said like you'll never get a seat at the table if you're talking about the table you know and so as like a professional chatty Kathy talker right you're never really like a part of the blob the institution so no I don't feel like it has um and I feel like I got to a place where like when I was first starting to have success I was like obsessed with celebrities and obsessed with like you know going to parties and stuff and I would see a lot of things like I wouldn't be able to talk about it on the podcast like when Ariana Grande and Pete Davidson got engaged um I was at this party and I saw that they were there engaged and like it didn't come out to like three days later and I'm like I host the biggest pop culture show in the world but I couldn't like blow my spot I would never get invited to another party right right right and it just it doesn't work it doesn't so I just like do my own thing now and it's like sometimes I find out that like famous people listen to the show right and I wish they just like wouldn't tell me that because then I feel like I have to you know like edit push in what I say and especially if like they're in the news a lot so just don't tell me I'm not interested.

18:51Do you identify as an influencer? No. Do you think influencers have replaced celebrities? No. Really? No, there's such a difference. Like, it's a different type of celebrity, but I'm sorry. Like, we still have more cachet for a person who's in film and TV than we do for a person who has, like, a huge YouTube channel. Something that you got into in the book that I thought was really brilliant was the difference between a follower and a fan. Mm-hmm. And how, like, a follower is something that's sort of, like, mindless. Passive. Yeah, passive. And a fan is active. Yeah, right. And so I think like you're more attractive to brands or just as a figure when you have an audience of people who will click anything, who will buy anything, who will show up, you know, at an event for you.

19:27And, you know, there's like famous stories of creators with millions of followers doing like meet and greets at VidCon with like legitimately three people showing up. Right. And there's somebody with 100 ,000 followers who has a line of 1 ,500 people. So it's not really about follower count. It's about like how transactionable is your audience. Like if you write a book, are they going to buy it? Right. If you have a podcast, are they going to download it? It's a big thing to ask someone to listen to your podcast, especially if it sucks, like for an hour. That's a lot. Do you feel like an obligation to your audience?

19:55It's so weird. In what sense? I'm curious how you manage, and I talked about this with Casey Neistat last week, like your relationship to them. It's like, yeah. Yeah. It's like the biggest YouTuber. Yeah. Yeah, I talked about it. Like, do you feel like if they get angry at you, okay, I have an obligation to listen? Or is it like, look, I'm doing my thing. It's so hard. You want to walk the line. I feel like people who actually listen to my show. like I have enormous respect for. I find that a lot of the times I receive backlash, it's from people who do not listen to my show who are just like jerk off to backlash culture.

20:24And so if there is a situation, I'm trying to think of like something recently where like I, like if I get, okay, here's a perfect example. Yeah. When Matthew Perry passed away, whom I like love, I'm the biggest Friends fan. I read his book. It was amazing. When he passed away, it took a couple of days for them to announce like how he had passed away. I just assumed he like overdosed on drugs, which is just like my own bias. And so I, the next day I'm like so sad he died of an overdose and people like Claudia you can't say that like he didn't yet and I felt like I actually understood what people were saying I'm like that is presumptuous of me and like especially a person who's so publicly battled like that's like kind of like low hanging fruit and so I felt like it was explained to me in a way where people were not being like you're dumb and fat and ugly yeah yeah yeah you know you really and when like oh you know what I actually felt like the backlash and wasn't even backlash it was just like criticism was coming from a meaningful place when I feel like I can discern when people are upset with me and it's just manufactured backlash right and that's so real and I try not to like respond every time somebody doesn't like something that I say like I pretty much don't respond we were talking about this today on the podcast with Reese Witherspoon she made like this video about like girls need to learn about AI because like I like that more likely to have their jobs taken like there's like a 30 % more chance like the jobs that women hold are going to be overtaken by AI and she was just encouraging women to like not be passerbyers like learn about AI like evolve with the times you're being paid by being AI like it was so lame and she responded she was like of course I care about the environment and of course I care about local communities and it's like of course like everyone does yeah yeah yeah so I just hate when people always respond it's just you're giving more power to the people who are fake angry about it right so I usually like don't respond when you do a show every day like the backlash never lasts that long because you got another show the next day it's so true just come and go it's like you know at this point but let me tell you the girl that wrote that book oh my god I used to quiver I was like oh my god scared of being canceled oh petrified petrified yeah well a lot of the book is about cancellation I was canceled when I was 17 oh you're kidding yeah it was it was crazy and you know I just want to say as Lena Dunham once said most interesting women are what is that tweet in the end of the first episode she's like all interesting women do yeah that's literally true it's well I found it so freeing and I mean Like Taylor Frankie Paul.

22:34Well. Well, like, it's all out there now. I think she feels pretty free. Yeah. Like, there's nothing in, like, the closet. I mean, mine was, like, sort of a different situation because it was something that I, like, wanted to put out there. It wasn't, like, a weird video that came out. It wasn't, like, something old. It wasn't something old, but it was this sense of, like, I am being wildly mischaracterized and misunderstood. This is never going to end. I am, like, a laughingstock. Like, it's a social death, right? Especially for a young girl. like yeah 17 is so young I was like 22 which is also really young it's earth shattering it's earth shattering it's earth shattering and when I I've sort of like become like a buoy for people like whenever someone gets canceled I know I'm gonna get a phone call and I almost always do and I think my perspective now is like I'm so distant from it and I'm 100 % healed but it takes like five years oh yeah like I just was having dinner with someone who was canceled like four years ago let me tell you she's still not okay no it takes a while to get out of it and I loved in the book you were so honest about it you were like I sat on the couch and screamed screamed screamed screamed my head off because like first of all there's so many elements of being canceled that are awful there's a lot of embarrassment like it's like so embarrassing like you got canceled like it's just it's humiliating too it feels so widespread like I was so worried about leaving my apartment because like what if the doorman saw it you know like you just don't realize how big these things get the internet is so accessible to so many people and then it's like of course all these people who never even heard of you I've only heard the worst thing about you But then it's also the people you know.

24:02Right. Like, oh, like, I don't want to really be with her. Yeah. It's just awful. It's really awful. I actually would wish it upon my worst enemy. Like, that's how awful it is. Because that's how bad it is. Yeah. That bitch deserves it. And she's gotten it. Oh, she has? Many times over. And I want it to happen again. You wrote that after the cancellation that, okay, I loved this part of the book. You were about to get on stage. and then you wrote you were praying to God and you wrote I pray a lot I just want to say part of me thought that the 2018 cancellation had happened because God was punishing me for not being grateful for what I have is that why cancellations happen like is that where babies come from I have no idea I'm always like chatting with the Lord yeah I feel very connected to Hashem and I find like I don't know why I always feel like if I'm not talking enough to him like then I get punished like I know it sounds really bad it sounds like I have a bad relationship but I don't actually like and I feel like I'm always stopping to like take moments of gratitude and so yeah when I had to do stand-up um after being canceled something like a lot of people make returns after being canceled but not in person they return to like their Instagram right no like I had to return like to people's faces and it was just I can't believe I did it now I would never oh my god but like this 22 year old girl I'm like proud of myself comedy show it's like on top of the terror of doing live comedy like the irony of like of the whole situation do I acknowledge it I don't even remember so much of that time because it is a form of trauma like I do I have forgotten a lot of it and sometimes I'll get like a time hop of like a screenshot I took that day I'm like oh god why don't I just kill myself now like it's really it's harrowing it's like the thing you like get drunk and cry about but I do you think god was punishing you for wanting to like be well liked No, no.

25:46I don't really know what I meant by that if I'm being completely honest. And I did write my own book. I just think that's important to note. I think I was just really looking for a reason. It felt so fucking unfair. I'm such a good person. And the internet will berate you into thinking you are a bad person. And I remember one day, like a couple years after being canceled, I was like, wait, what the fuck? I'm so great. I am caring. I am charitable. I am loving. Like, I remember I had this, I like self-actualized. I'm like, what the fuck are these people talking about? I let people tell me who I was for a while.

26:17And until I sort of took my power back and realized, no, you bitches are like that. Not me. Yeah, yeah. That's when I really started to fully heal. Right. And sometimes you'll read, you are an evil pig. And you're like, I'm not the bad person in this interaction, actually. But it takes years to get to that place. It really does. Speaking of religious, you wrote the Ten Commandments are so ingrained in me. Do you have a favorite commandment of the Ten? I do. Which one? Honor thy mother and thy father. I knew you were going to say that. It's just, it's so who I am. Yeah. And now as a mom, like, bitch, you better.

26:47Yeah, yeah. Similarly, do you have a favorite Real Housewives franchise? Ever evolving. On that note. Ever evolving. But I think if we were to take a look at a glance at the years of work, you know, some seasons there are highs and there are lows. Of course. I do think Beverly Hills has it. Wow. Yeah. Although there was a couple, like a three year run where the Real Housewives of Potomac was well on its way to eclipsing Beverly Hills. Then everybody in the franchise started going to jail. and I can't support like you know junk driving I just can't so I'm gonna say Beverly Hills I when you are like a professional reality tv consumer you are like you've got that dog in you yeah you know what I mean I think of reality tv as like sports for women yes yes and you are kind of like the Bill Simmons like you're like you can go like all the way down and do you remember the first reality tv show you watched it was probably Kardashians wow yeah like those early days on A.

27:37Remember Pretty Wild? Yeah, of course. Their religion was weird. The secret. And so it is. They used to say that every morning. They were freaky as fuck and then we found out she was addicted to heroin. She was on heroin. It's where it's starting to add up. She's come on the podcast. We love a sober queen. What is your biggest fear? Because mine is being addicted to heroin. No, actually. Is going to jail. I think I would actually rather be dead. Like for real, I would never want to go to jail. Wait, why? God, doesn't it seem sort of relaxing? Like, if you went to where? Like, Teresa Giudice jail.

28:11Yeah, like Lori Loughlin jail. Not even. Lori Loughlin jail. I love my things. Do you know what I mean? Like, I'm a homebody. When I leave the house. You're a creature of comfort. When I leave the house, it's a countdown until I can get back. Like, I love the house. I don't think I could live without my things. I don't, like, I'm not a woman who supports other women, so I don't think, like, being in close quarters with other women would be good for me or for them. Right. And, like, I watch Orange is the New Black. I'm talking about, like, real jail. Yeah, like you don't think you have it in you to be a lesbian?

28:36You're like, not that. I don't know. I think you'd make a great prison wife. So I have actually now two best friends. Who've been to jail? No, who are lesbians. Same difference. Well, also Alexis Nyers came on the podcast and talked about the night that she got arrested. Oh, yeah. She was highly addicted to heroin at the time. So not only is she having like a crisis in jail, she's withdrawing from heroin. The way she told the story, I was like, if I ever go to jail, like bring a gun because I'm going to shoot myself first. Like I never want to go to jail. Oh, sorry. The first reality TV show I ever watched.

29:05So yeah, the early E days, I feel like were. You were in like my super sweet 16, Simple Life, Girls Next Door. Oh, never Girls Next Door. Like not in my house. Not appropriate. Yeah, not appropriate. And not Degrassi in my house. I first learned what rape was on Degrassi. And I remember like I said the word and my parents were immediately like, where did you learn that? I'm like, Degrassi. And they were like, no more. Okay. Yeah, that show was like immediately next to the house. And yeah, I wasn't watching. it I know like now it's just a reality show but when I was a kid it was like pornography Degrassi no um the Playboy one oh oh Girls Next Door yeah I was like I can't watch it it's porn but I felt that way about Sex and the City I'm like how's sex in it of course but my grandma used to watch Sex and the City so I'm like all right I guess it can't be that bad um do you think we're in like the golden age of pop culture Q1 of this year let me tell you it was good for business like yes Skamandoval yeah Amanda and Wes Wilson Taylor Frankie Paul and Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Alex Cooper vs.

30:07Alex Earle Brooklyn Beckham I don't like that one that one devastates me that was crazy yeah this has been a historic I want to say like six months for pop culture a generational run yeah absolutely are you exhausted no I live for it like because sometimes the better the news is the easier my job is sometimes like yeah talking for an hour we are scraping the motherfucking mouth but sometimes I'm like oh my god We've already been talking for 90 minutes. And I actually love what I talk about. I don't like watch stuff that I don't want to watch. You know, it's really just a genuine interest for me.

30:37So it just makes my job easier when people are acting nutty. Are you ready to talk about some pop culture stories? I mean, I could try. I'm going to bring in my co-host, Dan. We're going to do some movie magic. And we'll see you in one second. There are rumors floating around. Did you see this? That Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni, after the legal drama, which I know that you are eagle-eyed about. After it is resolved, they are maybe considering relocating to the UK. Have you seen this? I haven't seen it. I thought they lived in Canada, so I don't know why you would need to relocate. You already don't live here, but sure.

31:12Yeah, I mean, you and I were just talking about how devastating and earth-shattering it can be to be canceled. And if we think we've been canceled, I don't know what to call Blake Lively. I don't know if that's true. I can't really see them. They're not giving up. They're being spotted. they went to go see just in time you know on broadway like they are not they also love being famous they're not gonna like do an ellen yeah and move to the cotswolds a reverse exit yeah i don't think so no i don't think so either i don't think so but it also won't work it's like there's no such thing as like moving away unless you're gonna like go witness protection which is not gonna happen i think a lot of celebrities like who like want to retire from the limelight like can't necessarily afford to do so because a lot of celebrities like are not as rich as you think that they are yes but i think blake lively and her husband like can retire very comfortably i I think that they're extraordinarily wealthy.

31:55Mint Mobile. Mint Mobile. Mint Mobile. The soccer team, Wrexham or whatever. Well, I'm sure. Does that make money? Aviation Gin. Yeah. Yeah, the Wrexham is more of like a passion project. Okay, you are famous because you are part of your family business is an alcohol brand, which is something really only quite famous people do. Oh, is that true? Thank you. Yeah, okay, sure. And Dan is a big wine guy. I am. And he's so upset that wine stores are closing down, but it's really because of things like Spritz Society. Yeah, like direct-to-consumer alcohol. You're a wino? I am a huge wino. Interesting.

32:23yeah why I just find it like a little pretentious if I'm being honest oh I'm a lot pretentious about it like you can't give me two glasses of wine like one that's actually 35 cents and one that's like$35 ,000 and I'd probably choose the one that's 35 cents really yeah I like the way when I think of alcohol like it's not an experience I want to like savor it's just a means to it like getting blacked out okay got it so like I'm not particular like I drink like shit off the floor you know prison hooch when you go to prison early and you're prison rice moonshine you'll do every prison hooch cocktail So I just can't relate to people.

32:52That's why, like, when I was pregnant, someone was like, are you having that glass of wine? Well, am I getting blackout? Like, no, there's no reason for me to drink other than to, like, be wasted. Something that's really fun is to go with Dan to a fancy restaurant and ask the sommelier for the mommy juice menu. He really loves that. I do. It's really fun. So you always ask for the sommelier? I like to have a tête -à-tête with the sommelier. Do you ever? You know they have, like, sommeliers in, like, Delta Sky lounges? Yeah. Oh, come on. I feel like you would talk to them, say. You know about water sommeliers?

33:19I do. Actually, I interviewed one of the most famous water sommeliers. Can I do an autograph? You interviewed one of the most famous water sommeliers? Can you sign Lena Dunham's book? Yes, I can. Sign Lena Dunham's book over that one. That's beautiful. Have you ever tried diamond water? I have not tried diamond water. What's that? I'm so glad you asked. One of the greatest reality shows of all time, literally of all time, is Shots of Sunset. It's actually so culturally relevant. They went to Israel, and half of them are Muslim, half of them are Jewish. It was very contentious. like it was they were doing groundbreaking shit they're all Persian LA Persian Jews and Muslims and like they have a lot of cultural differences but a lot of cultural similarities it's one of the greatest shows of all time it was cancelled by Bravo they actually recently brought it back it's not as good but the OG show and there was this crazy bitch on there named Asa she like was always starting a new company she was selling caftans and then she decided to sell bottled water but what's different about it is that like it was made of diamonds and it had like this big diamond on the top of the bottle it was seriously there have been a lot of like companies started on Bravo like really stupid ones crazy crazy ones Diamond Water is definitely up there Toothless Not Homeless Correct It's up there with Toothless Not Homeless That is so funny That is hilarious Cultural as an Iranian I will say It's a very very polarizing show Oh okay So what does the community think?

34:30Some people love it Some people hate it People are like It's the worst show ever You should try to get on it That's so funny Are you from LA? No I'm from New York But I lived in LA for a while Yeah a lot of them are like Great neck Jews Yes I'm a great neck Jew Got it got it But then I moved to LA And now like a lot of them were actually really impacted by the Iranian revolution. Like, they were, their parents, some of them born in Iran, I think like Reza, because some of them were like around 50. Reza, I think, might have been born and had to flee when he was two, but a lot of their parents obviously had to flee.

34:57And so it's actually kind of like a crazy time. And the fact that they brought the show back just in time for the war in Iran, it's like, I'm not saying that's why they did it. Yeah, I'm not saying Andy Cohen orchestrated the war in Iran to pump those numbers for the shots. But I would not put it past him, I'll tell you that much. Okay, so our verdict on Blake Lively, Justin Baldoni, do not move to the UK, it will not work. I don't think it'll help. Roman Polanski, it worked for him. Did he move to the UK? I know, he didn't move to the UK. He moves to France. Okay. But he moved to Europe. But also, sorry, she sent some weird emails and was a diva on set.