Is Lindsay Clancy the O.J. of White Women?

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0:36We needed one. Hello, everyone. Welcome to Second Thought, your place for hot takes on popular culture and a healthy dose of unpopular culture, those stories that are underreported and underdiscussed. I am Suzy Weiss, here with my co-host, the wonderful Dan Adut. Hi, Suzy. Dan. Yes? I heard a little Boydy told me that you might have a special coming out. It came out already, Susie. Which I know because I watched it. Really? What was your favorite joke? The one. I loved that one. I have zero respect at the free press offices. I walked in today expecting a bouquet, greeting me downstairs, another bouquet.

1:18Like at the end of Titanic when everyone's like. Yeah. Yeah. Like an edible arrangement maybe at my desk. Sure. You know, a bottle of champagne with a lunch catered from Eric Repair at Le Bernardin. Oh. Yeah.

1:35Okay. That didn't happen. No. But we can give you your flowers, as it's called, on our show. We could take a moment to tell our listeners where they can find this show. You can find my special. It's called Yes, I Am Falafel Phil. And it is on Apple and on Amazon. and other places too. Just so people know, the premise of it is that you are Falafel Phil, the famed... Disney star. Hold for applause. And yeah, but this is a special that is not just about that. It's about a lot of other things. And it's been put together over, I'm going to say like over like seven years. Are you serious? Yeah, it's a very, it's a labor of love.

2:17I think you'll love it. Wow, that's how long it took Lena Dunham to write FameSec. Oh, okay. Seven to eight years. So that's how long it takes, I guess, to do a masterpiece. Well, I'm really proud of you. I'm really excited to watch it. Yes, I'm Falafel Phil, showing now on Amazon, Apple, or wherever you get your streaming services. I'm really good at this. Today, though, we're going to talk about a few things. We're going to talk about the case of Lindsay Clancy, who murdered her three young children, the mother-daughter duo fighting AI data centers in the name of Jesus Christ, and the first lady of AI, and much more.

2:50Dan, are you ready to get into it? I cannot wait. Have you been following the case of Lindsay Clancy? I have. Well, for those who haven't, who live under a rock, if you haven't followed this case, I do not know how you found this podcast because they kind of can't go without each other. But three years ago, Lindsay Clancy, she strangled her three children to death and then she tried to kill herself. Neither her nor her lawyers deny it. Now there's a trial underway and it kind of brings into question whether she was experiencing postpartum depression or psychosis, whether she was over-medicated.

3:22But now there's like a whole commentary universe that says that, in fact, she's innocent and the husband did it. Yeah. And I'm wondering if you've been following this and what your feeling is. First of all, I think this is all Adnan Syed's fault. Okay? Okay, yes, yes, yes, yes. We give America one true crime podcast and now everybody thinks that they're a forensics investigator. That's so true. It's unbelievable. Patrick, her husband, found the children and called the police. And now, and he did a big profile in The New Yorker because he kind of created a new life. He came to New York. And they had a very idyllic life.

3:59Like he was a sailor. They were in Massachusetts. He was a nurse. Like it was like so white picket fence. And he did this big profile where he talked about the fact that he didn't think Lindsay was a monster, that she was just a person who got sick, essentially. and now people are sort of picking apart Patrick, the husband's story, where he was, what could have happened because I think it's so uncomfortable for them to contend with the fact that Lindsay did this so that they're kind of like, you know, trying to find anyone else and obviously the husband is like in like the closest proximity. I mean, that makes a lot of sense.

4:37In fact, I think the best reaction was from, is it Lisa Rinna? Oh my God, yes. Lisa Rinna got in on this because of course she did. What has she been on? Oh, she's Real Housewife of L.A. Okay, so Lisa Rinna was basically, she posted something to TikTok where she's in her car. He did it. Patrick did it. Patrick's the one who did it. Not Lindsay. Guys, he did it. He did it. And then her reasoning, she's like, I was just with my therapist. And my therapist said, women don't strangle. Women don't strangle. Men strangle. women poison men strangle no poison he did it he did it i was like who's your therapist i know your therapist she's the head detective in the case in fact her i mean that is really the scary part that there's someone practicing like mental health treatment out there who's just like women don't strangle so if you strangle it's not you like i don't even understand the logic but of course lisa renna jumped into this women especially are obsessed with true crime friend of the pod jesse single has once posited that it's almost because women can't like don't have the physical strength or like kind of the urge to do the crimes mostly most very violent crimes are committed by men which is another reason why the lindsey clancy case i think is so interesting to people because women don't usually do this um but yeah it's like a special obsession for women to sort of feel i mean the the nancy guthrie story was like this the gabby Petito's story was like this.

6:10Can I make this about race? Let's. Is it a white girl thing? Is it is first of all, is postpartum depression a white girl thing? Like long COVID? Like I don't think any of my like like Lyme disease. Like I don't think like lupus. I don't think any of like autoimmune conditions. I don't think any of my Persian aunts have ever had postpartum. Like no one's ever complained about it. I don't know. I can't imagine auntie being like. Do you imagine that's because they're very stoic or because they're genuinely like, I have the baby, I keep it moving. Like, I make the tattic. I think that's probably it.

6:47I also think that there's – what's funny to me is that a lot of these women who – I think a lot of them are white, who get into this and are like become the – you know, start the Reddit threads. I feel like they're the same women that if they saw someone like disciplining their child, spanking their child in a supermarket, they'd come say something. But if you go strangle three kids and then like stab yourself and jump off a building, then you're like, she needs to be. She needs to be. We need grace. Well, that's the weird part where they're kind of like digging apart. Like Patrick Clancy went on a hike a few weeks after I saw someone kind of doing an investigation on the review he had posted for the hike.

7:24And it was like, you know, it was kind of long. It was in Costa Rica. Clearly he had gone away to get away from it all. And this person was like, what kind of monster? goes on a hike three weeks. And it's like, if you think that's crazy, I got some news for you. Like someone strangled their three children. You know what I mean? It's like, don't worry about whether the like the mourning period was long enough before you could go on Strava. This is just very bizarre to me. But I mean, we have a great piece from Kat Rosenfield. What I do think is true is that she was wildly overmedicated. And it kind of, I mean, those drugs are serious.

8:01I think she was on like a dozen, maybe more pills at a certain point. And then she claimed she heard a male voice telling her that she had to kill the kids. Wow. But the conspiracies, there was this one woman talking about, she's like, bear with me. Patrick Clancy roofied Lindsay Clancy. She's asleep. He sets the house on fire. She has to jump out of the window to get to the kid. Like it was so harebrained and bizarre that it really made me, I mean, a lot that you realize at certain points, like how many people think Donald Trump's assassination was staged on July 13th. It's like a lot of people think that.

8:37Oh, yeah. Well, they also think that we, you know, no moon landing. No moon landing. Yeah. Flat Earth. All these things. So Lindsay Clancy innocent. Lindsay Clancy innocent. I mean, I don't think Lindsay Clancy even thinks Lindsay Clancy is innocent. No, she definitely doesn't. Yeah. She definitely doesn't. There's a GoFundMe that I think her parents started that has raised like close to a million dollars. And I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. Like, this is a person who needs treatment, clearly. If she's guilty, she's going to jail. If she's innocent, she's going to a mental asylum for the rest of her life.

9:07You're either going to jail or you're going to jail where you're handcuffed to the bed. Where would you rather go? Jail or surrounded by loonies? Loonies. You really? I'd rather go to jail. Do you have anything like where you think, oh, someone was framed for murder who didn't do it or... OJ. You think OJ did not do it? Of course not. If the blood don't fit, you must acquit. Right. right who do you think did it um i think you know uh men don't stab men don't stab women stab men push downstairs downstairs so that's what it's gonna be do you think this is the oj of our of our time white oj for white women i don't oh could be oj for white women oj for white we all one.

9:53We all needed one. Yes, for sure. I will say, though, as a single man living in New York City in these streets, women strangle. They strangle. They choke. Oh, they choke. Choking's different than strangling. This is so dark. This is so dark. She strangled the kids. Okay, let's move on, shall we? Okay, shall we? Dan, have you heard of a woman called Natalie Harp? Refresh me. Natalie Harp is President Trump's executive assistant. She's like a stunning blonde woman, yeah? She's beautiful. Yeah. She's a beautiful, like, sort of pixie-like blonde woman, like, kind of a Tinkerbell. She's referred to as the human printer because, like, a lot, a big part of her job is apparently printing out praise of Donald Trump and handing him hard copies.

10:37Hilarious. And in this recent kerfuffle in Turkey, she was, like, spirited away with the president. So now there's a lot more. There's a lot more, like, talk about how close she is to Trump. Yes, yes. Yes. Now, like, all eyes are kind of on Natalie Harp, who, like, was in, like, the back of an SUV escaping a terrorist attack with President Trump. She was in, like, the kitchen cart? Yes. Wow. Yes, she was in the kitchen cart with him. He left Marco Rubio and took her. And took Natalie Harp. And I have to say, I mean, she is being described. Sean McCreech of The New York Times wrote a great piece of this.

11:12Like, I think she's like a real life stage five clinger, like a real deal one. Apparently, she does not take vacation. She is with him all the time. she wrote him a letter a few years ago saying that she'd been distracted all week and forgetting to eat and only sleeping a couple hours of a time and that she wants things to be right between us. It's a letter she sent to the president. Come on. It's so crazy. And he's into it. Well, he's so into it. A, he loves like a secretary. He's like kind of ultimate businessman. Yeah. B, it's like every mad king has to have a little like right hand person like running around and like poofing the pillows and stuff.

11:48Yeah. And third, he doesn't have a first lady. He needs one. Melania is checked out. You think so? Oh, honey. Melania goes to the White House. She says, hi. She gets in the car. She's going to Palm Beach. She doesn't spend time there. She literally doesn't even live there. What's Melania's day-to-day like? Oh, I think she, wow, that's such a good question. She clearly is just like, I didn't sign up for this. I don't want to do it. I am going to pay attention to Barron and be in Palm Beach. And I assume, like, go to Gallerias and stuff. So this woman is filling in the void? I think so. And I don't think it's like the worst thing.

12:23And I think Trump and Natalie Harp are a perfect match. Polymarket, are they going to end up together? Have they already been together? That's the real question. Whoa, what happened in the dining car? In the dining car, exactly. I mean, I think she has a history. Her brother, who she's been estranged from, said on CNN that she becomes obsessed with presidents. and she had written letters to presidents previously, including George W. Bush. So I think this is like a fantasy that is being fulfilled for her. I think she's like completely getting what she is. She is sated, I think, by this role. How old is she?

12:5835. I like that Trump is kind of like Muammar Gaddafi where he just surrounds himself with these hot chicks. Yes. Like who are just like his harem. I would love to watch a show of like the inner dramas because Carolyn Levitt, the press secretary, is also leaving. Yeah. So there could only be one. There can only be one. Only one. Do you remember that when Gaddafi had like hot women bodyguards? They were like five, like they were all like over six feet tall. They were beautiful. And they'd like walk around with machine guns and they'd like look sexy in high heels. No, they were not in high heels.

13:28Look it up. I love that. Well, Senator Ossoff gave a quote. He said he doesn't about Trump. He doesn't want to do the job. He wants to build his ballroom and travel with Natalie on their apparently defenseless flying palace gifted to them by the Emir of Qatar. Is there anything wrong with that? He wants to build a ballroom. wants to run around with Natalie. I mean, okay, is that illegal? Like, come on. That sentence is so bonkers. He doesn't want to do the job he wants to build his ballroom and travel with Natalie on their apparently defenseless flying palace. Gifted by guitar. Boo, like, that's a burn.

13:59That's a bitchy thing to say. It's like, why don't you go fly around with your Natalie? It's like, Ossoff probably wishes he had a Natalie. Natalie Harp, second thought stands with you. Yeah. And your weird obsession with the president. Be a clinger, run around, Go into like a little Home Alone style adventure in the hotel, like trolley cart thing with the president. Live! Yeah. Also, how many people get to have an obsession and then live the obsession? Exactly. You know? Exactly. Like, you know, I would love to hang out with one of those F1 boys. Yeah, exactly. You would love to be F1's Natalie.

14:33No. I would love to be one of those F1 guys's Natalie. I want to be buddies with Pierre Gasly. It's never going to happen. He's so handsome and is in Monaco. I know. And I want to be his friend. Is it going to happen? Never. No. Yeah. God forbid a woman achieve her dreams. Yeah. Okay. Whatever. Ossoff. Natalie Hart. Nice name, Ossoff. Ossoff. Ossoff. Ossoff wishes he was being pushed around in Dubai in a room service, like one of those silver things. Yeah. Sorry, Ossoff. Where Natalie lives. Loser. Loser. Get a hard consonant in your last name, loser. Ossoff. And we'll be right back. And now a quick word from our sponsor.

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16:24Sure do. Okay, they live on a farm that they've been at since the Civil War. Not them, but the family. The family, yeah. Well, it kind of seems like maybe them too. Yeah, maybe them too. They are like ancient, like the tree in Pocahontas. They are ancient. They are petrified wood. They are petrified wood. They're blind. The younger one, the daughter's retinas are detached from her corneas or her eyeballs or something. She's got diabetes. And because of that, her retinas are detached. The grandma, she doesn't know where she is. She sits in a chair all day and watches Newsmax on silent. And Jesus Christ bestowed a miracle upon them in that.

17:02Yes. An AI data center offered them$26 million for this dumb farm. It's like two properties that are adjacent to each other. But I don't think this is really a high-producing quantity-wise farm. No. I think farm is probably a generous term for what's going on there. They probably have an acre of sorghum. Yeah, yeah. Max. They're growing some broken-down Ford trucks and a paint can. is what it looks like. It's what it looks like. They got offered$26 million, and initially they were like, well, maybe we'll do it. And then they found out it was for an AI data center, and they said, you know what they said?

17:44They said, you can kick rocks. They literally said you can kick rocks. They said you can kick rocks. That's what you say to someone who owes you eight bucks, not someone who's offering you$26 million. Yeah, they said kick rocks, and they said, to quote from the story which Eric Schwartzel wrote, Pittsburgh native, one of the best reporters, He wrote this for the Wall Street Journal. It's an unbelievable story. What Delicia Bear said was, what I believe in is something called Jesus Christ. And he said to occupy wherever you're standing. You occupy until he returns. If I step off this piece of property and it becomes something for an AI hub, then I have failed to occupy and I could be held accountable for that on the judgment hour.

18:25So she's just, here's the thing. Long game. She's thinking long game. Jesus didn't know that they were going to be AI data centers offering you 140x what your property is worth. Right. Jesus, he would be fine with that. I'm sure he would be fine with that. I'm sure he meant to like sit on the townhouse because that neighborhood could be getting nice in like an urban environment. Right. In this case, I think he would maybe make an exception. He would say thou must, thou shalt diversify, diversify thy portfolio. Oh my God. It's so crazy. They're obviously something of like folk heroes for being like kick rocks, like get off my lawn.

19:03We are going to sit on our chairs and eat our food and drink our coffee and watch Newsmax. But the thing that makes it, I think, a little more complicated is the fact that by refusing to sell the property, all of their neighbors who are also going to get paid like whatever, tens of millions of dollars for their property now won't get it. because the AI company's like, well, we don't want anything to do with this. We'll just find a different property where they're happy to sell it. They have to sue their neighbors in order to like get it all to go away. I don't know the legal details of this, but I just know that like, wouldn't you be so mad at them?

19:39Wouldn't you be so mad at them? I don't know who they are and I'm so mad at them. Yeah, I'm so mad at them. I don't have an adjacent farm. It's so crazy. It's so nuts. But also it's like... it is kind of cool. It's kind of cool. Yeah. It's kind of badass. It's kind of punk rock. There is something punk rock about it. Yeah. I mean, she, I kind of want to hang out with them, even though hanging out with them means sitting in a rocking chair all day. Here's the thing. I feel like this probably, this happened in the past for sure. And it was probably done in like a really messed up way. Like, you know, like how, like they would tell, they would tell like Native Americans like, yeah, we're going to give you some money for your land.

20:15They never gave them their land. And like probably the building of the railroads. this shit happened all the time and people got screwed. They're not getting screwed here. No, they're getting the opposite of screwed. They're getting an amazing offer. And it's rumored that it's meta. And you know what she said? If she met Mark Zuckerberg, what she would do? She'd kick him in both shins. She'd kick him in both shins. Why? Because he offered you$26 million? You didn't say no. He gave you an... It's not like he gave you an insulting offer. I know, but I mean, maybe to them, their whole thing is just like, I can't be bought.

20:45Like, there is no amount of money. Like, this is my land. this is my family's land and jesus christ told us to occupy here's what here's what's up just sell it just sell it where i'm telling them if they're listening with their on their newsmax tv yeah sell it buy stuff like get a perm get jewels get new eyes get new eyeballs get dresses get a new house get a new tv buy newsmax buy whatever you want then you get in a horrible fight with each other over like a hundred bucks or something like a split bill and then you die estranged but very wealthy yeah in an air-conditioned sort of palace yeah i think that's a great best plan they could buy a natalie for this money i'm gonna make the christian argument you sell your stupid thing the tithes of that 10 of that 2.6 million dollars you're giving to the church now that's amazing You're robbing the church of your local little tiny church that you go to every day.

21:44You could turn into a mega church. It could be a Walmart. It could be the Walmart of worship. Yeah. There is also – Well, that's another part of it is like everyone in the local town, Eric interviewed this local barkeep who was basically saying like we could really use the business. We could use the construction workers who are going to be here. They've said there's going to be a certain amount of jobs and they're going to give$15 million to the fire department, the police department. And this kind of like depressed place could get, you know, a shot of B12 in its tushy. Yeah. Shot of AI in its tushy.

22:16Yeah. But, you know, on the other hand, it's like, do you want to become like a company town, like an industry town where you're just drinking brackish water so that we could, you know, use AI to things we could Google? Yeah. Like ultimately? I mean, yeah, I get that. You don't want it to turn into like Flint, Michigan. Yeah, exactly. Delisa Bear and Ida Huddleston are punk rockers who I'm sure will get into the gates of heaven. But that's tough. My Jesus was not proud. Your Jesus was not proud? Their Jesus is proud. My Jesus is not proud. My Jesus is not proud? My Jesus is like, what are you guys thinking?

22:56That is probably what he sounds like. That's probably what he sounded like. You could put it in a mutual fund. S &P 500. Speaking of Jesus, Matthew McConaughey met Pope Leo XVI when he traveled to Italy. McConaughey, of course, is famous for winning his Academy Award for Dallas Buyers Club. And his famous catchphrase, all right, all right, all right. Why don't famous people have catchphrases anymore? And who's your favorite? Who's my favorite catchphrase? Yeah, who has your favorite catchphrase? All right, all right, all right is very good. I would say, who's had one? I don't even know. Paris Hilton, that's hot.

23:35Oh, that's right. Steve-O's is, yeah, dude. Yeah, dude. He all, like, it's like at the, it's like, but there was like a moment in the early 2000s where it's like, okay, what's your catchphrase? Everyone needs like a thing that they say all the time. Matthew McConaughey is, it's kind of been floated before that he might run for something. And he, it's kind of since his meeting with the Pope, I don't really know what they talked about if they hit on domestic policy, but now it's kind of coming up to the fore again that he might be quite electable. Yeah. I think it's funny that a lot of people are like, how did Matthew McConaughey get to meet the Pope?

24:11How did the Pope get to meet Matthew McConaughey? You know what I mean? I still have a problem with American Pope. I still have a problem with an American Pope. You need an accent. Yeah, at the end of the day, this is just a guy from Chicago who got to meet Matthew McConaughey. You can't have a Chicago accent and be the Pope. You can't sound like Rahm Emanuel and be the Pope. No ketchup on a hot dog. Do you think that's going to be one of his encyclicals? No ketchup on a hot dog. Relish only. That's what they do in Chicago, right? You can't hear da bears. Go bears! In the voice of God. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

24:44God is speaking through him, and God is saying, happy St. Paddy's Day. No, it's not good. The Pope should not have a good deep dish pizza recommendation. Yeah, that's true. Like, he should not. He should be kind of like grown in the Vatican, I think. Yeah, agreed. I think that's, yeah, that's really real. I'm pro Matthew McConaughey. I think he's a real force for good. His book, Green Lights, was fantastic. What was it about? It's like a book about, it's like a self-help-y, like how you should honor the green lights in your life and go with the momentum in your life. Oh, I love that. It's McConaughey doing, you know, like a self-help book.