Founding The Super-Human Olympics - Christian Angermayer

0:00The first time Christian Angermeyer took psychedelics in 2014, it changed the trajectory of his life. Nearly a decade later, he's become one of the most influential voices in the worlds of biotech, crypto and anti-aging. People look to him for guidance on the next big thing. They invest in his ventures, hoping to be part of something groundbreaking. And they listen to his bold ideas about pushing the boundaries of human potential. It is not hyperbole to say that Christian is one of the most visionary entrepreneurs of our time. Christian Angermeyer is a German founder, entrepreneur and investor known for his bold moves in spaces like biotech, crypto and psychedelics.

0:47One of his latest ventures is a perfect example. It's called the Enhanced Games and it's setting out to be the Olympics of the future, but with one crucial difference. Performance enhancing drugs aren't just allowed, they're encouraged. Christian's approach to business and life is supposedly about embracing the controversial, but that's what makes it so compelling. Everyone can relate to the desire to challenge the status quo. Everyone knows the feeling when society tells you something is impossible or off limits, but you want to pursue it anyway. But I bet you won't find it surprising that some of Christian's ventures, like his advocacy for psychedelics or his new sports competition allowing performance enhancing drugs, are met with scepticism and pushback.

1:43But that's what being a visionary entrepreneur is all about. And I, for one, can't wait to see where Christian's unconventional approach takes him and us next. Stay tuned. My conversation with Christian Angermeyer coming right up. The reason I want you on the show is you've just embarked on something new and you know it feels like you're always embarking on something new which is like the sort of exciting nature of what you do but this is different because this is uh I would say very controversial not that some of your other work isn't controversial and you're psychedelics and we can talk about that we spoke about that quite a lot last time um but i want to talk to you about the enhanced games why did you even want to start the enhanced games we'll come on to what it is but like what was the motivation to making you want to start that okay i mean in one sentence by the way because if people now hear my answer like what it is like it's like sort of think about olympia but like a sort of sporting event for athletics, hopefully already next year, but with the big differentiation that performance enhancing drugs, people would colloquially maybe use the word doping, are not just allowed, but actually endorsed.

2:58So we want people to use science to really show what the human body can achieve in sort of peak plus version. So all credits to my co-founder or the main founder, Aaron D'Souza. He's a long-term friend. He came up with the idea, told me about it. it was a very rough idea he said why don't we do that interestingly then actually when we digged in it's an idea which is floating around since decades so there is there is Saturday night live sketches about it like and I met so many people who were like actually I thought about it that this would be a fun idea we were just the first ones who said let's do it yeah and so I jumped on it because like Aaron said hey do you want to do it with me and I was like love it like I love controversial stuff in a good way because like not for the sake of being controversial but But sometimes it shows you there is a void or need.

3:47And it's also pushing at a cultural requirement. Like there's obviously, you know, these riches in the niches, as they say. But this is like a big, it's a big niche. Yeah. And a nonsensical sort of cultural blockade. And we had done it already once with psychedelics, which, by the way, interestingly reminds me in so many ways. It's different, obviously, because the psychedelic business we have is medical. And it's sort of a biotech business. while the enhanced games is sort of a media sporting business. But like from a macro perspective, like it's very similar. Because people don't remember because like most people came to psychedelics or came to learn about psychedelics, even when we talked about it, it was normally at a time when they kind of already became mainstream.

4:34So people think, oh, this all started like 2018, 19, 20. So I started really doing podcasts because people started being interested about psychedelics. 2019-20. I had worked on it since 2014 and the first years it was actually much harsher than Enhanced Games now the first years almost every single person I talked about in terms of how because at the beginning I didn't even know what to do like sort of I had to form then the idea to start a biotech company which we then did with Compass and Attai and all of that but like when I talked to people even about in the early days as a founder like what to do every single person from politicians friends i know to scientists to investors all said don't do it yeah it's really like it's crazy how within literally 10 years the world has changed so much to the better but the early days and years were don't do it it's going to ruin your career nobody will ever give you money for it uh the fda will not allow this like it was everybody but even by the way that normally the guys who investors who are normally very open for that kind of stuff like now enjoy but But none of them, that's the cynical thing, ever questioned that psychedelics work.

5:47So everybody said, look, it's very unfortunate, but we have to accept it. That's how the world is. Enjoy it in private. Don't talk about it. Don't go on podcasts. Just enjoy it for yourself. And I was like, no, if everybody tells me they work, and it's just these cultural or whatever, we have to do something. So I like these kind of stuff if it's worth doing it. So it needs to be obviously, it's quite a good cause. So like something I personally think is just wrong. And I think the fact that psychedelics were or are still, but we're in the end of this era and soon be approved, but psychedelics are still illegal.

6:22But that is wrong. Psychedelics should be medically available. And the same is, I think, the view of society on, let's call it doping or performance enhancement, is also completely wrong, especially in sports. So let's change it. Long answer. Yeah, very, very good answer. So it's actually one of the things with what you do, what I notice you gravitate towards is where the science can prove that there's a benefit to humanity, but the cultural narrative in society is lagging. That's where you see a really interesting opportunity. I would say simplified is if you ended the sentence obviously came later, but like in COVID, we all had the headlines and like follow the science or trust the science.

7:05And I was like, okay, that's actually, I mean, first of all, it's so simple. that we shouldn't need to repeat it all the time. But if we say that, we should really do that. And if we do that, let's look into the science, for example, of what we call drugs as society. And then it's my favorite part of every podcast. And I always say like every single person who's listening, if you want to take one thing away, please, this part, Google the chart of David Knott. You know David, like maybe he was even on the podcast. yeah uh very famous very qualified neuroscientist who did a study i think it was 2008 on behalf of british government analyzing the risk of various legal and illegal what we will call recreational drugs and by the way the first amazing thing is it's so simple what he did is to define risk because what i hate sometimes i sit with people at a dinner talk about enhanced games and they are like oh this is risky and then my normal answer is like define what you mean what is risk and then they can't even say that it's just they use the word risk without even knowing what it means so david did that if only people did this on social media by the way the narratives and the sound bites like define it yeah oh well the whole narrative exactly so yeah david defined it because there is many risks there is a risk for yourself can you die can you get disabled can cause an accident there's risk you inflict to others like drunk drivers killing somebody whatever and and the outcome was when you google that and there's a whole book about it i would read it but like the chart says it all like the number one risky drug in these holistic sort of risk assessment is actually alcohol closely followed by heroin so which is the second one but just to show how bad alcohol is we're actually going down the pub some heroin later so i always tell you go through the airport next time and then whenever you read a sign or alcohol sold or whatever just or alcohol with discount or whatever just think alcohol or think heroin instead of alcohol and then you know how absurd society is well have you ever seen how alcohol was made it's literally poison it's literally creating poison so you don't have to get pious about it but it's like you're completely right have a consistent rule yeah like so because on the other side of the chart you find a psychedelics with practically no risk and you also find anabolic steroids one of the most not only one but on the most commonly used performance enhancing drugs yeah yeah so and i was jokingly saying some years ago we just go through all of these on the right side yeah and bring them back because they deserve to be back if alcohol is there anyway and they don't even have a risk if you do it properly anyway so with the enhanced games so take us through the premise and what i'd like to know is then what is on the cards and what's off the cards in terms of what people can and can't take and is that different country by country yes so it's okay so we gonna do it once a year so again think i always don't want to compare us to the olympics because over time we want to be something different and by the way also like there will be by the way i would love the olympics to succeed and go on to be clean because one sentence maybe before the unfortunate thing is like uh the Olympics themselves, so actually WADA, the International Doping Agency, they did a study in 2011 where they ask athletes at an event, randomized, so I think it's actually worse because I don't think every athlete trusted them, but they did a study, outsourced, randomized, where they asked the athletes if they had taken performance-enhancing drugs the last 12 months, and 44 % of official Olympians said yes.

10:44So again, I believe they didn't fully trust WADA. So maybe it's even more than 44%. But even the 44 % is a crazily high number. That means roundabout half of all Olympian athletes cheat, which makes the Olympics deeply flawed. So people are always like, are you anti-Olympics? Not at all. I think it's a great event. but if you want to be a clean, doping-free event, which by the way is a great premise, by the way. I don't think this is also a great business model, but then you have to make sure that you're really clean because at the moment, since I know that, I'm watching it, I was like, how do I know that the one who wins is really the best one?

11:22Maybe the second one is the best one, which is the honest one. And the gold medal winner always cheat and get away with it. So it's completely distorted and I think takes the whole fun away. So my vision is that in some years we have two established events, the Olympics every four years, the clean ones, the natural ones. And then we have the enhanced games who celebrate scientific progress. So we're going to do it every year. We're going to start with the 10 most common disciplines, like 50 meter run, 100 meter swim, weightlifting. So the classics. Surely cycling, seeing as they're already all cycling.

11:56Yeah. So we just, by the way, seeing also where we get the most athletes and I come to that second, at the feedback of athletes is insanely positive yeah so but we want to focus at the beginning we don't want to do nichey stuff the 10 uh top categories um and then yes we do have actually rules it's not everything goes or anything goes how you say it's like we have three rules the one is like uh it whatever you take has to be allowed medically in the country you take it yeah so Which, interestingly, will give advantages to some country national... Well, it's a place over others, right? So, yes, but we're not a country...

12:38We're not going to take the country organization of the Olympics. So we just want to have, in every discipline, the 8 to 10 best athletes who qualify. So it could well be that it's four Americans in our sort of games for whatever. It's because it's open qualification globally. but yes what will be because indeed because we set the limit of medically approved substances that maybe athletes say oh in the preparation for the enhanced games i'm gonna move to north korea well no by the way don't make it funny because like they are actually like india like but like middle east like yeah actually even some countries in europe have it's really it's not like that just because people don't think it's the crazy kind it's not like it's by the way the crazy countries took a lot of things away we can talk about that as well how bad it is like in the u.s where's actually the most that's actually a really interesting point right then yeah so obviously i did make a broad joke but like so what do we find is europe more lax less lax no europe is unfortunately has a tendency in generally by the way to not just follow in many things the insanity of the u.s but make it worse yeah but i can go regulations and anything the The US sets a bad president and the Europeans are like, you know what?

13:52We can make it even worse. We can be even dumber or even, yeah, which is sad. And the worst is this country. Yeah, but I don't wanna go into politics too much. But, and by the way, it's all crazy. I'll give you one example. It's the same like psychedelics, which also shows how not just, let's forget about sports for a moment, how hurtful and how bad and not thought through decisions in politics can be. Like, you know the story, we talked about it last time, why psychedelics became illegal. It's not because they have any risk or whatever. It was a pure political scam because the Nixon government, so what happened is psychedelics were medically used.

14:33It's important because I want to make them, for everybody who hasn't heard about it, I don't want to make psychedelics consumer legal like cannabis. Yeah, it's not recreational. Yeah, because I deeply believe these are very good but very strong substances who should be done with a therapist or a doctor under clinical supervision. So we don't even want to make them prescription legal. What we are doing is in the future, hopefully starting next year already with psilocybin, the active ingredient in magic mushrooms, you can go to your doctor, but you have to take it with the doctor together and then go home.

15:04So that was actually the case in the 50s and 60s for some of these substances. So the right thing. And then the hippies technically did it illegally because they did it outside of the clinical system. but to be fair if somebody would ask me today on a weekend shall i and it's a medic lancer not a legal answer and let's assume in a country where both is possible should i take a little bit of ketamine or should i take a little bit of alcohol i would say take the ketamine it's factically healthier but like so but sort of hippies hippies did the good stuff and nobody cared by the way because was the good stuff and you can totally see where actually all the positivity of the hippie movement came from love peace happiness and then they were became political went against the Vietnam War and the Nixon government really hired, I'm about to release a documentary where we talk with people who did it, the bad side, hired spin doctors and said, how can, because the hippies were so lovable.

15:58Like the population was obviously siding with the hippies because like. And cultural music was going that way as well. What is, what is, what is to not like about that movement? And they were like, how can we really discredit that actually very likable movement? And then some bad genius had the idea to say, let's just make it up and say psychedelics make you crazy. Because you must be crazy if you're against our beloved President Nixon. And as crazy as it sounds, that worked. They hired scientists who feel deeply sorry. We interviewed some of them who falsified studies. There was a whole dark PR machine starting with the whole might of the government in times where we didn't have social media.

16:42I think it wouldn't work today. And all of these very valuable drugs became illegal. So think about it. Well, and actually there's an even more pertinent point to make, which is for a lot of people who take psychedelics, the first time you take it ideally is pure, free from prejudice or ideas that you might have. Is this going to be good for me? Am I going to go crazy? Anxieties, all these pre-thoughts. and the problem with that PR narrative and stuff is it actually starts to infect the innocent mind to give you a pejorative feeling going into the psychedelics as your first time which is therefore way more likely to make you actually have that versus during the hippie movement where that negative people expected the best because peace expect love and it's exactly what happens to you so in a really insidious way it's even worse than that yeah and and think about it by the way we should almost make people liable for that if you say like because there is nothing else for mental health so so we just or we this government or the time took away a a functioning medicine or group of therapeutics against depression anxiety addiction think about how many people most likely have died of suicide of whatever and how many people even more had it might not be might have killed themselves but like maybe had a miserable life this is we're talking about millions and millions of people who for where the government stole um a very functioning therapeutics it's actually if you think it's through it's insane and all these people should go to jail or should be made responsible for again this is equally imagine tomorrow a crazy politician comes and says you know what for zero reason i'm gonna take away chemotherapy i mean all the cancer patients would say what the fuck yeah but like in mental health because of all these dark pi did work why i'm telling the long story because it's exactly what reminds me what what has happened and by the way i learned about it it's not that i knew it so it's very interesting about what we call doping because let's take the most uh sort of how is it prevalent or the most uh important group, there's obviously much more substances, but it's what you call anabolic steroids.

19:02And people go, oh my God, anabolic steroids. Yeah, it's almost like a word you like feel bad saying it. Yeah. But all these anabolic steroids, first of all, by the way, it's a category. Like there are some who have side effects worse, some who have actually very little side effects. By the way, everything in life has side effects, isn't it? But all of these anabolic steroids. I heard a great quote on that yesterday, by the way. Sorry to interrupt, which was there's two types of drugs in the world. Those are side effects and placebos. Exactly. Drink water. And even water, I think if you drink 10 liter, you're going to have some side effects.

19:31But the good anabolic steroids were medications. By the way, forget about sports. There is, and unfortunately, because I don't come up with a scientific name now, but there is this one anabolic steroid, which kind of cures or at least alleviates osteoporosis in older women. But it's not doping. It's little doses. But if you think about having osteoporosis, I thought about my mom, she doesn't have it, but like if she would get it, I would be annoyed because there is nothing. Now they say take calcium. Yeah. And I was like, what the fuck? There was a medication which practically cured it or made it at least much better.

20:10And yes, that same medication in a doses of 30X, a sports guy can use. So, and then because the media went crazy and politicians went crazy, they were like, just let's take off the market. You could have said, let's not allow it for sports guys. You could have said, let's make it more restricted. But taking it away and saying, I don't care about the millions of women who suffer from osteoporosis is a crime. Because you deprive people from a functioning therapeutic without giving them a new one. By the way, the same is like, I just talked to a friend about it who has it and he tried it. It's like one of the most good use or real use cases for LSD was like Parkinson's.

20:53And it does work. Yeah. And they took it away. I would say, and nobody, and it's even worse, they didn't provide an alternative. So you condemn millions of Parkinson patients for having no medication because Nixon wanted to have an argument. You think about how bad that is. I'm getting really annoyed about it. Like, it's like, so, and again, and I believe - It's great until you hear about Reagan, to him. Well, so, but like, but they all, it's all like these weird, like media goes crazy. Politicians want to show they act. But then they tell us the whole thing and then they wonder why when they really want to be, I actually don't want to criticize them for that, but when they really try to follow the science, people don't trust them.

21:34Because like for decades you fooled us, you lie, you don't follow the science, you follow your personal political gains. And now suddenly we're like all follow the science. Exactly, when it's convenient for you. So my view is like follow the science all the time. And that's also, by the way, part of follow the science, because that also was abused, actually, because follow the science was used also to shut down people, for example, who criticized the COVID vaccines. And by the way, many of them were right, because the right answer of science is, first of all, very often we really don't know everything.

22:11Already to suggest to the people we know everything is already, again, a lie again, because you don't. And second, also the right answer, especially in biotech science is, again, everything has upsides and downsides. And it should be that we, as much transparent as possible, tell people about that. And then we should all make an informed decision ourselves. And then people can either for personal subjective or objective reasons can make different decisions. I always say like when people say, oh, are you completely against alcohol? No, I'm using it because I think people don't understand and we're never told in school or wherever we should how bad alcohol is.

22:55And you don't drink, do you? I never do it. But I can totally say if somebody says, then look, I know how bad it is. And I consciously say, but once a month, it gives me joy. I'm like, go ahead, this is great. But you know, at least what is the trade you're doing? The same like, yeah, if somebody did or did not take the COVID vaccine and was doing it based on an informed basis, it's totally their decision. So I think we should sort of follow the science, which means let's gather as much evidence as we can. It will never be enough, by the way, because there is also always the outlier, which you saw obviously with the COVID vaccine.

23:31I personally think it was the right thing to do. But it's obvious if you rush a medication because we had an urgency and you give it to hundreds of millions of people, there will be outlier negative cases. And they should have said that. They shouldn't have pretended that follow the science means it's completely safe. But I think net for most people, it was the right thing to do. But if you're a very young person, you might have said, I don't want to do it. And it's your decision. And the same we should though apply to psychedelics. And the same we should apply to anabolic steroids. Who are getting much safer than alcohol.

24:07Coming back to Enhanced Games, talk me through the business model. So I'm familiar with other businesses. um i'd like i understand how a lot of them work the enhanced games being like media like you say so how does that work as a business model like how have you set it up for investment what does it look like when it grows well the typical sporting event where do you make money the one is like um you make money from sponsoring yeah so corporate sponsors in any form logo whatever so the second you're looking forward to kpmg pwc so the crazy thing is we did not expect so many positive interests from the corporate side we get bombarded with requests like for sponsoring then the second big thing it's actually the biggest one is uh is media rights tv but social media like streaming rights whatever um and uh and then you have also all obviously ticket at sales and stuff like that.

25:07And in anything I would have said, we were very conservative and expected it that we have some years to sort of promote it. And it's completely the opposite. Like people are inbounding us like crazy, like from corporates, you would not expect it to media rights buyers. And we haven't even started to properly do the auction for the media rights. And then you also have actually cities inbounding us because they want to pay us to do it in their city because like for the olympics or for anything of these things the the governments and the host cities pay a lot of money because it's attracting people whatever so where is the first one meant to be uh we just get going through all the offers like we have yeah yeah oh that's exciting uh but we're gonna decide the next month because we also i don't want to say too much because uh in terms of i think it's a unique business but the the premise that performance enhancing drugs are allowed is just one of many things we want to change about sports let's leave it there it's obviously the one people want to talk about that's why i'm here and it's getting the attention but we were like you know what when we're already on it let's say vaguely the the way we we consume we we watch sports has not changed yeah it's still the same and we want to we have actually some very cool ideas additionally to performance announcing drugs allowed which gonna blow people away but business model wise it's more like something like the olympics than it is like the nfl for example you have licenses different teams like that yeah so it's more like the olympics or like boxing or whatever it's event driven yeah okay and if you can go back because always when i start like off sorry for that like uh because you ask like what are the rules so i said rule number one is because it's important because we again we're not loose and i health is the number one priority meaning i can't do biotech and then do something reckless and i want to because i want people to be happy and healthy yeah so define risk yes at the end of the day right that comes back to the same point.

27:03So, but our rules are you have to take medically approved drugs. Because why again? Because then you know upside and downside. Again, they have sometimes downsides, but you know it and you can make the conscious decision. Yeah. By the way, for example, that means, because people always ask, crystal meth wouldn't be allowed because there was just a headline in Germany that a volleyball player did crystal meth as doping. No, wouldn't be allowed because A, you wouldn't get a clean version of it because that's already, by the way think about like the at the moment because uh because doping is not at least from the ioc perspective not allowed they all do it in the shadows but that is already bad because they order it on some websites they don't even know what they get yeah so so in our case they they take whatever in their country is medically available in the pharmacy you get pure stuff and you know what you take because it's a medicine second you have to have a doctor and that doctor has to come out publicly and say, I'm the engineer.

28:03It's a little bit like a Formula One. You're gonna have a chief engineer. He needs to be on your website and he needs to take responsibility. So you need to find somebody who's with you as your doctor, as any doctor should, is saying, look, that's the right way to do it. If you wanna go crazy as an athlete and wanna take 10x what you should, this doctor will say, no, not under my watch because my reputation, yeah, I'm publicly responsible for that. And then the third rule is you cannot have bad side effects. What does it mean? Like, let's take anabolic steroids. The most common side effect, if you do them wrong, that's the point, is yes, if you do a lot of them, you could get a heart failure, heart problem.

28:45But that already means you do them wrong because it's a question mainly of quantity. yeah again the woman who actually used a certain anabolic steroid for osteoporosis she didn't get a heart problem because she takes a little bit if somebody decides you know what i just have three months and i try to check it and do 30 times as much as i should there will be a problem by the way if you drink 30 vodka shots you're dead yeah there's always like yeah it's not just the substance in itself but it's like it's dosing so so if you do that you disqualify it and by the way it's so easy to measure. We're going to do a full health checkup, including a full heart checkup.

29:25By the way, we're going to do it. Not like what the IOC does who says, oh, you can do it at home and send us the documents. We do it on site, which practically makes that the safest games ever. Because if somebody sort of violated our rules and took too much and has a heart problem, he or she is not going to start. And that sets also a limit or kind of is incentivizing people to do it properly because otherwise everything was for nothing. So these are the three rules. Approved medication with a doctor and you can't have side effects. So you've been talking quite a lot about, you know, the things that could change about sports, the things that are missing that we can maybe reflect on and do something a bit different.

30:03But what are the fundamentals that just shouldn't change? What is actually going so right that you would never see a need to touch? I would say that's maybe it's half the answer. it should never be, sports should never be any health risk for any participant. By the way, I would say that for high school sports, which by the way already is, this is what I believe, but I would say, is this actually the right answer? Because we have many sports, which I would never do myself, because they are very risky. By the way, if you play rugby, American football, forget about performance enhancement. the sport itself, yeah, is utterly dangerous.

30:47Especially for brain health. Exactly. Think about all of that. Should we say, no, this is illegal? No, but we should talk more about it. Yeah, because I don't think all athletes know that. Again, it's always, my point comes always back. So, but I would have said, I don't, let's, if I give you the answer about what we will do ever as a pyro, not just enhanced game, I don't want to put on things which put people at risk. It wouldn't be what I want to do, yeah? although there are sporting events out there approved ones normal ones who put people at risk yeah so or more at risk because even in soccer you can break your leg it's like risk is such a fickle thing by the way and again as long as you got to define it once again comes back to that but otherwise i think sports should be fun and hence they can be defined because and there is no one way or the other again i don't want to change the olympics yeah they should be just the clean ones yeah and i don't want to do something new and people can decide what do i watch at the end the viewer will decide and that i can see actually that in some years we were bigger than the olympics in terms of fans whatever because it's just more exciting but i don't think there is one core thing to sports which should never change because like at the end sports are fun and like people define what fun is by the way the olympics in the old days were super enhanced for their times like because people are like oh the olympics should be clean i was like by the way it's not even historically correct like the original olympics everything was allowed like there was just not a lot of things you could do because they didn't have so much medicine but they took a lot of actually poisonous stuff because it numbed them and for a lot of things like yeah when when you have a injury and you just don't feel it you go on and stuff like that so they took bull testicles yeah because they already knew this is kind of giving you whatever an energy kick yeah so they tried whatever they could at the time so it was actually the real olympics were the enhanced games okay moving on speaking about enhanced lifestyles you do quite a lot of things so you've got the enhanced games you've got attai and compass pathways um traditionally obviously biotech entrepreneur big investor and quite a lot of other things as well right yeah many the four things we're doing very simply said is biotech yeah um with with a focus not solely but a focus on mental health and the brain um and longevity then we have a very big um and happy because it's going well like crypto pocket i'm a huge believer in bitcoin uh and especially bitcoin related infrastructure uh companies like bitcoin mining but also that is morphing into ai data centers exchanges whatsoever then we have a pocket called future tech like space tech ai novel foods it's a little bit of catch-all because i'm always so broadly interested and then actually my kind of favorite one lately where sports is in it as well is sort of the antidote to all of the tech and biotech is physical like experiences we call it experiences leisure and happiness because my A big theory is that over the next 10 years, humans will gradually work less and less in average because of mainly AI, robotics, and all the other innovation.

34:04And we need to think, by the way, as society, but it's also a big business, what are people doing in that free time? And I also believe, side note, that we're going to have more or less the same sort of purchasing power because otherwise society will fall apart. So we invest a lot in content production, in sports like the enhanced games. We own the largest life entertainment in business in Europe, which does concerts and stuff like that. We own a hotel brand, both real estate and the brand. So all of that stuff, which helps practically people where to spend your free time. Okay. So this was all coming down to, and we'll let it go micro and then back up again.

34:45Talk to me about a typical day in your life. I'm fascinated and I'd like to know what then much broader a typical month might look like well at the moment I'm very proud to say like hopefully this stays that way because I'm really disciplined like I'm side note I always want to live companies and by the way we do two things we invest in companies so we have our venture sort of business and then always when we have an original idea which we can't invest in because it's not there then we start it ourselves so So typical original ideas are a tie and compass because psychedelics were not there. And I'm always super proud.

35:19Like we were the first ones who said, make it medically event. People took it, but like we were the ones that let's try it and make it medically used. The same for longevity. We were one of the first ones really doing biotech companies, not just saying, oh, longevity means you do an ice bath, but like really trying to find new medical drugs to push life expectancy and healthspan, but also the enhanced game. So these are things we start ourselves. So I always want to really, I either, the original ideas come from my own experience. So psychedelics, I did have a psychedelic trip. We talked about it last time in 2014 and then sort of started thinking about it or enhance games because the idea came from Aaron.

36:01But I was like, I want to feel what enhancement is. Like, I just want to talk about it scientifically. By the way, it's one of the weird things. I met too many scientists who, even scientists who work with psychedelics who hadn't tried it. Yeah, I was like, why not? If you know everything about it, at least like give it a try. Like you should know. Yeah. And so I'm at least that person. If I talk about something, if I promote something, if I start a company about something, I want to do it. So I'm actually at the moment going through the sort of kind of program, both substance wise and training wise, what an Olympian athlete would do who wants to be enhanced.

36:39fascinating so in your day like i'm training first of all by the way it's not just the stuff like it's like it's a mix of supplement of of performance enhancing substances uh combined with training you can't get it for free like you need to train um and a little bit of steroids and don't train nothing but you wouldn't use it really it wouldn't be worse yeah but like you just but nothing wasted like it's a little bit like and again they can have minor side effects like why would you do it then yeah so so uh but by the way it's very important because people say you get it for free no no you you have to be super disciplined so so i'm training every single day um uh i feel literally 10 15 years younger and you really know it like it's small things you don't get tired you don't have soreness really a little bit so you know you did something but like the next day it's already gone again like and then i remembered wow this this was training in my 20s like that's how it felt like you wake up in the morning it makes me sound so old but like since some years you wake up in the morning a little bit ah this is not like now it's all gone like it feels like i'm in my 20s again yeah so just to pick up on that point so actually the thing that you've noticed from uh the steroids particularly is actually rate of recovery and then rate of recovery means that you can work out with the same intensity the next day which if you were disciplined enough and this was sensible i don't know already one point if you could do seven days a week you're going to get results faster than someone who can exactly three days a week it's already one point yeah yeah okay um so yeah so that is coming to your question with how my day looks like at the moment i'm starting it with sports um every single day uh by the way i what does that mean literally take us through what do you what do you do you wake up at what time and then you do what well i'm not waking up with an alarm clock that's one of the big luxury things in my life because i think you sleep is so important so but i normally wake up between eight and nine and then i go with my trainer to the gym.

38:30So I decided not because, by the way, I'm holding back because, you know, I'm very straightforward. So I decided not to say the details what I'm taking, not because I'm shy, but because I want to tell people just don't copy me because your body might be completely different than my body. And I don't want people to say, oh, just writing it down what Christian is taking. And then I'm going and taking the same. And it might be the wrong thing for that person. So I want people to go to the doctor and say, look, what do you want to do? By the way, the answer is also different. It was very interesting to see if you go to performance enhancing doctors and say, because they're going to ask you, what do you want to achieve?