Please Keep Me Anonymous with Leigh-Anne Pinnock

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0:36Great brands, great prices. That's why you rack. Hello, you're listening to Shag Marinoid. Please keep me anonymous. On this week's episode, we are joined by the gorgeous Leanne Pinnock. And what a lovely chat it was. Oh, it's just so lovely. It's that thing of like, I don't know, even in this industry, it's always like, oh pop star oh the pop star's coming oh and you're like it's just such a lovely normal yeah lass really talented she was on time she was ready she's gorgeous no demands she's beautiful in real life you and her had a full on mam chat didn't you okay just to warn you all it gets very kind of like mam heavy and like female empowerment heavy honestly I was surprised I thought the firearms were going to go off I thought they were going to start burning bras in here I'm joking it was lovely it was really nice to hear her sort of talk that way as well.

1:28Really, really nice. Because obviously we know her from Little Mix and you still sort of see, I mean, not the fact that she does not look her age at all, but you still sort of see her as, you know, a young pop star. But she's actually, you know, I mean, she's got twins. Yeah, I can't be. She's been through the ringer, mate. She's been through it all. Twins, man. No, but it was really interesting because I think I said at the end of the interview, I've never heard her talk like that. Yeah. It's freely. It was lovely. And you'll see what we mean a little bit later on. That's assuming how people haven't phoned up since we've recorded this and got it all taken out.

1:56Oh, well, hey, you never know. It's always a worry with these things, isn't it? I know. Yeah, because we do this and then in another room there's like people sitting frantically sending emails going, this needs to get deleted immediately. I hope they don't take it out because it was hilarious. We'll see. But yeah, so she's on here to talk about, she's got a new album coming out. Album's out in February. She's going on tour next year in 2026, all over the UK, all over Europe. And she's got singles out with Been a Minute, Burning Up and Dead and Gone. Dead and Gone's the newest one. It's really, it's so catchy.

2:27Yeah, we had them all on the taxi on the way here, didn't we? Yeah. So we really hope you enjoy this lovely chat with Leanne Pinnock. We had a fight about the jingle. We couldn't settle on a jingle. So this is the jingle. We hope you like the jingle. Babadoo, babadoo, babadoo, ba. Jingle! Hello, you're listening to Shag Married Annoyed. Please keep me anonymous with me, Rosie Ramsey, and my husband, Christopher Ramsey. Yes, indeed, and we are joined by a very special guest today. We've known each other quite some time, and she was in Little Mix, but now is having a fantastic solo career on her own.

3:07She's yet to talk about all things Leanne. It's Leanne! Yay, Leanne! Hello! Thank you so much for coming on. Oh, thank you for having me. We've been chatting for a little bit before we get started, and I didn't tell you that I am actually a huge Little Mix fan. I thought I'd save it until we started. I've seen you guys live three times. Really? For real. What was the last one you came to? I went to the arena twice, and then you did Durham Cricket Round. Do you remember? Oh, my gosh. Was it like a summer show? Yeah. It was outside, and it was ace. Was that the one where you pissed on your shoe on the way home?

3:39A lot of shit-faced. She pissed on her shoe on the way home. No, that wasn't Little Mix Out Spice Girls. No, that wasn't Little Mix Out Spice Girls. Sorry about that. But I did get shit-faced. I love that. But, yeah, huge fan. Amazing. The old days. I know. Thank you. Good times. Good times. So like, she'll be so proud of it. Do you know what I mean? It's funny cause I was actually going through some images, basically changing up my Instagram for whatever reason. And I was going through all the eras of Little Mix and just all the things that we've done, like from 2011 till I guess it was 2022, 2021.

4:13Just achieved and done so much. Amazing. And I think like when you come out of it and step out of it and you actually just look at it as a whole, it's like damn yeah yeah like we broke so many records like the numbers and yeah it's a funny old industry because i think sometimes people can like i don't know make you feel like you didn't do that or like oh forget it it's weird but um it's good to remind myself every now and again you know i think you guys do you have any idea how much shit i got from rosie when i got the job hosting little mix the search and not rosie i didn't think i was gonna get the job but i was just like i'm so jealous yeah yeah because honestly you guys like the i think what everyone underestimated and i really hope you don't mind me saying this is i saw you guys live and the vocals were like amazing and i just don't ever think i don't think you ever got full credit for how good your vocals were no honestly i genuinely think yeah i don't think you guys ever and but but that's the thing the numbers are there and you can't ever take them away and you know the sellout tours were there and so yeah I think you should be proud of it but when yeah so well done but when you're in it when you're living it and when you you know because we know Jade South Shields girl yes and I think obviously I remember her saying just when you're sort of like waking up in different countries every day and not how can you how can you take it in because you're you can't stop on my other view until it's done can you yeah and we used to do as well we would do album tour album tour album tour so like literally from 2011 two lockdown actually constant didn't see our families didn't see our friends was it exhausted yeah yeah but my gosh like I miss it yeah do you?

5:55I do yeah for sure like that constant like go go go like in like it's just so exciting yeah I love that and then you had twins and had kids yeah I mean that is like that is the deep end of having kids do you know what I think like if I I mean the biggest blessing like I wouldn't want it any other way but I think having like that work-life balance yeah do you struggle with that because for me it's like I'm such a hard worker and I always want to be going going going and like I would I'd be in America like you know like I really want to like have a career there and like push my music out there but I can't really do it like I want to do it no because of that reason like having kids and it's hard we talk about this all the time because I want to be shit hot at this but I also want to be shit hot at being a mom and don't get me wrong I think it is possible and I think we're really lucky and nowadays you can have both yeah and yeah with really good help and all that kind of stuff but you I don't think it's possible to be 100 % at both of them exactly and it's not and and you know what I don't know about anyone else but me and we've talked about this I've I have actually put I've made like a conscious decision to put my kids first for now once they get old enough they can fuck right now I am I'll be gone they can fuck right no I'm like 16 you've done your GCSEs right mum mummy's doing mummy's gonna try and be on the west end I'll see you later but that's it you don't wanna miss anything as well no I know cause it is precious yeah and even like now with my husband living abroad so like we probably see each other like maybe if we're lucky three days in the month.

7:37No way. For real? Where's he living? Turkey. It's so shit. And we've been doing that for three years. I didn't know that. And they've just turned four. That's hard. That must be hard for him as well though. So hard. Like he's actually struggling a little bit to be fair. Oh bless him man. Yeah. God I hated going on two after a few days when I had our first son Robin I would come back and you know when they're at that age where they're sort of just coming out with baby baby and they're getting a bit of expression and, you know, the sort of noticing you. I would come back after four days and I'd be like, he's a different kid.

8:12You could have swapped him out and I wouldn't have noticed. So I can't imagine. But you've got to do what you do. You've got to do it. It's your job. What else are you going to do? I don't know. To be able to, yeah, do what we do. It's our careers. Here's a question. Is there twins already in your family? So Andre's, both of his nans had twins. Right. So it's kind of inevitable. But you never think that's going to happen. Were you away? First scan that we went to, yeah. She was just like, oh, you got twins in your family? There's two sacks in here. Oh, that's a sentence. And we went, what? Have you got twins in your family is the sentence in it.

8:48That's what you don't want to hear. Do you know what? As part of me thinks, and I don't mean, get it out the way. Do you know what? Yeah. Two at once, you kind of think, I can't imagine how hard it is because I struggle having one at a time, not only do. but I do my friends have got twins and I sometimes think you've done it now yeah true I don't know if she wants any more yeah I mean I definitely am getting a bit broody not gonna lie see how old for yeah yeah that's when it might be time guys that's when it kicks in that's get this listen get this out of the way get this shit out of the way and then we'll see and then you can have another one alright think about you you've sacrificed enough alright this is Leanne's dame thank you okay very quickly we will talk about this and then I love talking about kids so I'm going back to that.

9:35You're here, you're promoting your singles, your current ones at the minute, Being a Minute and Burning Up tunes, by the way. Oh, thank you. Really, really, like, mega, mega. Thank you. So your album is out at the end of February 2026. Well done. What was that like? On your Todd. I actually feel like... That means on your own. On your Todd. On your Todd. That means on your own. It's a shame you've already named it because On Your Todd would be just what no more than I expect. Do you know what? On your Todd. Well, if either of us ever go solo, you should have called your two on your Todd. Not the funny ones you've got to explain.

10:11Fair enough. Yeah. So it's called... On me Todd. It's called My Ego Told Me To. Nice. Love that. So, yeah. I mean, two years in the making, I think it's just... I'm so happy that it's finally coming. Yeah. But amazing. I think my solo journey has been a bit of a rollercoaster. um that'll be the twins well yeah um I just I don't know I think I think I might have been a bit naive to think that I would have it all figured out like coming out of the group you know like and like know exactly what I should be doing and I think the music is very different to what we did in the group and like I made that conscious decision because like I want to be as authentic to myself as possible like my culture my heritage like the album is very much rooted in and reggae, but then with my pop stamp, I'm always gonna be a pop girl, but finally get the chance to really like, be inspired by all these different genres that I love and I love from growing up as well.

11:12And so yeah, I think just the most amazing thing that this album is just such a true representation of me and the artist that I've always wanted to be. And it took a bit of a journey, labels, and like the idea of maybe people assuming what I should be and trying to mould me into something that's going to be marketable or you know like what's going to sell but actually this is me you've had that when you were in the pop group you did it all, you've played the game and you know, listen the fans loved it the best thing ever but you played the game, this is you and I think that's really important because you would only look back on it and think I didn't want to do that we've done stuff that I look back and I go I didn't want to say that and I didn't want to do that.

12:00And I think it's getting older. You're now, how old are you now? 34. No, but you're not a kid anymore. And you've got, you're a mother, you're a wife, you've got a voice. Exactly, yeah. It's empowering, it is. And even taking the leap to go independent as well and sack off the label system. I don't know, I think, as you say, being within that for over 10 years and like that's really all I've known as well like major ladies actually I had no idea you'd sacked off that's big yeah so independent now and I think nice but I needed to do it I needed to I think now is yeah as you say it's time to be my full authentic self and just do me so excited for that I think I might do it as well come on what the hell am I sack it all off I only feel slightly left out because I'm not in the I'm an empowered mother chat now I'm getting sacked off you go on me Todd you're a very good dad thank you and I'll give it he's actually I don't honestly when she tells us I'm a good dad I nearly cry every time so I can't I keep well up don't tell us I'm soft as shit honestly she's like you're such a good dad so lucky to have you I'm like so just don't don't do it in public and don't do it on the podcast for God's sake part of us wishes you'd fuck off to Turkey though listen don't wish for that I know do you know I would miss the help I think like him occasionally but I would make it.

13:28It's funny though, because we've got, we've talked about this on the podcast before. We've got a friend of ours who sometimes we see him at the school drop off on a Friday and he's not with his, he's not with his partner anymore and he'd be dropping off on Friday and he'd be like, oh, got the Friday at myself, got the whole weekend at myself. I don't get the kids again on Monday and we're like, fucking imagine that. You lovely piece of shit. Fucking imagine. That bastard's got a full weekend off. What's he going to do this weekend? We need to stop doing that actually because every day, Every time we have a bad day with the kids, we're literally like, should we split up in 70-30?

14:00Like, should we just... We all fight for 70-30 in the other one's favour. I'm like, I want to be 30, you 70. She's like, no, me 70-30. It's intense though, isn't it? Like, I was going to say, so how do you... Because we're... The girls have just started school. So our youngest has just started reception as well. In their little uniforms. I can't. It's the best. It's so lovely. It's like they're too small to be going to... Like, what's going on? I know. I was going to say, so half terms and like summer holidays, like, what do you do? and they're just at home the whole time we've just got them they're just they're just home they're at home no camps are great camps are very good we're a big fan of camps yeah our kids aren't sadly but they have to go get them doing all kinds of weird stuff tennis camp get this skating camp kids you're doing pottery today piss off the pottery camp K-pop demon hunters yeah camp K-pop demon hunters we'll do one no we get a lot of help from my mum my mum's really really good really hands on but no they're just they're just with you all the time Leanne it's just what you it's like they're just there forever but I'll tell you this it and a lot of people I think it changes when they get to teenage but we've got a 10 nearly 10 year old as well gets so much easier yeah it really does I'm kind of feeling that well yeah slightly yeah they can go to the toilet and that by themselves now it's a lot easier you stop having to like cut grapes up which is something I didn't think I'd have to do so much of in my life still cut grapes you still cut grapes for our nine year old so do I so do I that was a joke I still cook grapes for the nine year olds everybody watching you're meant to cook grapes what's the fuck when did grapes become the most dangerous thing in your house it's like you're having a fucking hand grenade in your fridge give me the heebie-jeebies now I know

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17:36That's Freedom the B. Use as directed. Babadoo, babadoo, babadoo, ba. What are you like with, you know, kids like in the choking phase? Were you quite chill or were you stressful? Do you know what? I actually was quite chill. Like, I don't know what it was. but maybe having two? I don't know. Oh, did you enjoy a pregnancy? No. No, neither did I. I was really good at the beginning and then towards the end it was just like, this is just huge. Oh my God, you... And I'm quite a diddy person. You're tiny. That's it. Yeah. You did people... Yeah, it was big. Why could I just say you're like boring all the time?

18:10It's just... How much did they weigh? So one was 4 '11 and one was 5 '9. So diddy, yeah. Little dinkies. But even like, I think people sorry they are literally combined still lighter than our first son no he was£10, 11 and a half how'd you squeeze that out she didn't I didn't I tried I tried and then he got stuck and I had to have an emergency c-section oh bless you but he was Leanne he was massive he was huge do you know what nurses burst out laughing he was too big that's like funny growing baby oh he fitted into three to six months as soon as he came out he wasn't even in order three wait how You must have been a big baby then, because they take after their dads.

18:50No, no, no. No. I don't know what, no. Postman must have been a big lad. No. Whatever. I'm telling you now, right? And I can see it now, because I've lost a bit of weight. I went my hands. I just ate so much. I just, I went mad. Because I just think, as women, we never fully let ourselves go. We're always sort of on, like, a healthy eating journey. My whole life, I've always struggled with my weight, up and down. And when I got pregnant for the first time, I just went, fuck it. oh who cares and I just I just ate so bad and and he came out massive and I went I went too far no our recycling bin our recycling bin was full of Cadbury's mousse pots Cadbury's mousse pots it was on Fortnite I love that it was absolute college I used to have prawn cocktails sandwiches from M &S every day for lunch like that was my craving oh my god what a middle class craving Hotsbury Robson Spence was prawn sandwich oh my god you did I haven't changed it at all.

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19:57Oh, gosh. Oh, man. So we've got the album coming out. We've got a tour next year. All over the UK. That'll be fun. Yeah. And also a bit of Europe as well. Oh, nice. Yeah. Sell it out and you might get some more dates. All right. Yeah. Do it. That's how you do it. Oh, he'll bring you back there. Are you taking the kids? Oh, I haven't even thought about it. Oh, no, I know. I'm sorry. We didn't. We didn't. When you went on tour. How long did you go for? Well, we did. I see. Comedy tours are different than music tours. We were a couple of nights back home, a couple of nights back home. Yeah, we did 16.

20:28And music tour is, pack your case, you've gone for two months. And I'm thinking, I can't take them out of school now as well. Yeah. And sometimes, it may be a bit upsetting for them to be out of their routine. This is a... It might just be better, mummy's out of sight, out of mind for... See, my mum is so good at reassuring me. Because if my mum has them, she's very much like, they're fine, they haven't asked for you. But then when I get home, she goes, yeah, they're crying every night. And I'm like, oh God. But she doesn't tell us when I'm... Do you feel like they act up as well when you get back?

20:57Because it's like, almost like angry at you. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I always feel like that. Lorking, like, where have you been? Come crawling back, have you? Yeah, literally. Oh my gosh. But I think as well, like, at least, like, when Andre's home, they have him, but then when he's not here, and it's just hard. It's tough, man. They need at least one parent, you know? I think that's what we're struggling with. That's what we're struggling with at the minute. No, like they do and they don't, but you've got the kind of job where you're not 95, so actually you probably see your children when you're not weighing on to it more than most parents who work 95.

21:30Yeah, because you have chunks of back intensity. We're like that. We're the same. We see the kids loads, but then we might be away for a week, but then we'll see them for two months, like intense. You just can't eradicate that mum guilt though, can you? That guilt in general. I think it's there for every single mother. Even I know mums who are full-time mothers and they still feel guilty. It's like, it's crazy. But it's also life, isn't it? It's life. It really is. It's what you can do. Yeah.

22:01Just reassure Leanne that it'll be fine when you go to do it. I need it. I'm further on in this journey. Yeah. Cheers. The kids are going to track you down when they're older and go, it was you, we heard that podcast. She was never fucking there because you told her. I'm joking. I'm totally joking. It's good to hear. But that's so much fun. Are you having, are you got dancers? You got, what's the crack with the tour? What's the crack? Oh, I think, so I had a really good festival run in the summer. Oh yeah, you did everywhere. Yeah, it was just fun. Yeah, it was so fun. Yeah. And yeah, I think I was just focused on making it, just giving energy and just, I think that's something that I've taken from like my Little Mixed Fruits as well like we will always put on a show and like that is like something that I will just always do like I'll give you everything one thing I think about now that we've done arena tours oh Jesus now when I look back at your tour I'm like all I say is how much money that you spend like that's what I've got hey this is bad right Leanne we would sit in when we did our arena tour for the podcast we would sit in meetings and she would suggest all these ridiculous things we want this we want a sofa coming out and I would go Or how much is this costing?

23:11And what do you see? She starts go, Lady Gaga doesn't make any money on her two hours. But this is the thing. She's filed for bastard bankruptcy or something. This is a real thing, you know, like investing back into yourself. Yes. To be fair, I did that a lot for this festival, for just ongoing really. It's always, it's continuously going back in because, and it's also hard as well, like coming from a standard that we had and like even like going independent, I still want it to look like that. You still want it to look like this. The production values that, yeah, you want them coming in. You want people taking photos of the stage before they've even started, you know, the bit beforehand.

23:44It's like, it's the same with stand-up. Like for years, people just did a mic and some uplights and then it's like, oh no, you've got to put a bit of production in this. This is people's night out. This is a big thing. The comedians used to take the piss out of you in Edinburgh, didn't they? Used to take the piss out of us. Because Chris would have full-on stage settings and they'd be like, fuck, what a wonger. I had an inflatable house. I had an inflatable house. And the door opened. I used to walk out the inflatable house. Like a kid's TV presenter. I remember another comedian met me tour manager at a festival or something.

24:09he was like oh my god do you inflate the house fuck you guys people respect and appreciate things you know like thought put into your set and thought put into everything they're paying money they want to come and see a good show it's a night out isn't it they're getting babysitters but I think with not obviously what's the word how do I say it going from the group and like obviously we doing massive tours and like now everything's slightly downscaled like obviously being on my own so yeah there has to be some kind of give and take you know because yeah so guys understand we ain't making that way anymore guys I know the feeling because me and Rosie did the arenas on my stand up tour I'm just doing the theatres I'm not doing the arenas on me own I totally understand when you split the group up it's sometimes smaller venues it took 10 years to build that you know more intimate more intimate and everything costs more now guys yeah oh gosh doesn't it yeah crazy I did my own makeup on to her didn't I such a cheapskate I was a run that was expensive my god I know I do all Rosie's ironing I do the ironing I go and get her food solo maintenance yeah because she can shout at me she doesn't like shouting at other people but she'll shout at me I actually just love that you get to work together it's nice you know that's nice because Greg Davies was like vile how do you do it it must be horrible how do you do it he was disgusted we're quite we've got to a really nice place yeah not gonna lie when at one point we had the podcast we had the tour and the TV show all at the same time that was really hard that was really hard like every day together all the time it was too much it was too much to the point where I was like I've got nothing left to say to you yeah we had nothing do you remember like we'd be sitting for dinner and I'd be like I'm all talked about babe can you remember you threw a you threw a strop in Sheffield Arena she threw a strop it was I mean it wasn't you know like rock stars and that smash tenis up and that it was really it was pathetic I think I pushed a rail over yeah no no no Rosie got a reel of clothes and she just sort of slapped them from side to side.

26:11Just like slap, like slap, slap, slap, slap. And I remember thinking, I get that you're upset, but that was pathetic. I can't remember why I did that. I got what I had to do with it. We ended up doing the podcast in the car on the way home that night. It was like, it was intense. Too much. And then we get back and we're parent. And it's like, you know, there's just a lot. That's the thing. Do you have like time away from each other? Like how do you sort of, how do you do that? So we, not luckily, but it's worked out quite nice. So our kids are, there's five years between them and they just don't like doing the same things.

26:42So on a weekend, we take turns, we kind of alternate each day. So on a Saturday, Al might have the younger one, Chris might have the older one and then the next Saturday and then Sunday we normally together, aren't we? And then the next Saturday, I'll have the older one. So we do spend, and then actually during the week, Divide and Conga. During the week, we've got quite separate lives but we quite enjoy each other's company. I love it. That's how it should be though, right? How magical is it to find someone you're compatible with? Yeah. You just get on with. Yeah, we do. That's all you ask. No, I know.

27:12It's what we need. Did you just know straight away with your fella? Yeah. Yeah. Lab at first sight. No, but that's... Hey, I proposed after six months. Wow. Yeah, I proposed after six months. It was like straight away. That's amazing. If it's a slow burner, to me, it's never... I just don't know. You wouldn't be good on maths then, would you? I'm really sorry. Is that bad? You always go so deep. You always go so deep. I do. It comes from the heart, but you really do run the risk of ostracizing a shitload of people. No, no. I feel like, because I've had relationships in the past where we just didn't get on.

27:46We argue all the time. It's just normal to argue every day. It's just a relationship. It's just what people go through. And then obviously being with my husband now, he is so chill. So laid back. That was something that I needed in someone. And we just like to be around each other. We don't argue. unless obviously something massive happens but we which is very rare you know we don't and I don't think that is how a relationship should be like if you're arguing all the time there's something there's something a bit I would agree we did not have a crossed word until we had kids we didn't have a single crossed word not in them we had kids and it got a little bit fiery yeah I mean listen we do we have arguments but they're never we've never had stormy out the house I hate you throw me ring at you arguments yeah I stormed out the house once just once remember I didn't actually you did but I didn't know you'd gone she didn't know I'd stormed out I just went I don't know where to go I sat in the car on the drive I came back in a couple minutes later she didn't know I'd left it was my version of slapping the clothes around in Sheffield it was pathetic but you know what else I think is also quite important to experience something in your relationship so like me and my husband actually have been through something quite bad and like we ended up coming out the other end and knowing that we've done that now I feel like I don't know stronger than ever like we almost had to go through something to I don't know to really just be the strongest we've ever been so I think that is actually what's really important you know to go through the fire and like if you can come out of that and be stronger then nothing can nothing can break you yeah for sure I agree 100 % we lasted after that Sheffield kick off we're still yet yeah we've been doing loads of stories this in general Babadoo, babadoo, babadoo, ba.

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31:01Oh, yes. So you have been sent. You've been sent a story that we don't know about. I did hear through the grapevine that you got sent too and you picked the rudest one, which I do applaud you for. Thanks. Love that. Love that. Why not? We told you then this podcast is... When in Rome. Let's do it. It was a little bit rude. Okay. Dear Chris and Rosie, please keep me anonymous. Always do. A friend of a friend met a woman in a local pub. They hit it off, drinks were flowing, music playing and the sexual tension building. The night was coming to an end and the woman invited my mate back to her house.