How Bioelectricity Shapes Skin Health with David Suzuki of Bio-Therapeutic

23:04David Suzuki:And when you do that, the healing can start right away. And if you have this huge dump of adenosine triphosphate of cellular energy, all of a sudden you have no inflammation. You have a whole bunch of energy and the body just kind of kicks into gear and does it sink. So it's a really, really amazing thing when you think about it from like, let's say that healing standpoint. Now from a age management or a longevity standpoint, how do those also, can we just take that and apply that to the skin? Well, one thing we know for sure is that the aging of skin, the aging of the human body is really, really directly impacted by chronic inflammation.

23:43David Suzuki:And that's what you hear in every study in anybody who knows anything about health, wellness, and longevity. Inflammation is one of our biggest dangers for the process of aging, right? The second thing that we do know is we also know that essentially our ATP starts to taper down and we start bringing on this collection of damage. And so when we basically can take that inflammation down and we can increase the ATP so we can start to regenerate and renew all this damage that's happening, that longevity situation becomes very, very clear and that pathway is very open. Now, the same studies that we did at the University of Washington specifically for this scan, we proved a 14 % increase in collagen synthesis improvement.

24:30David Suzuki:And this is over 20 days. It was technically 18 days, but we'll round it up to 20 days. Usually you can't see anything significant of collagen production in less than probably 45 days to 60 days. So 20 days is really, really remarkable. In that same study, we found a 48 % increase in elasticity. So that was absolutely amazing as well. In elasticity, there's not very many things that stimulate the synthesis of elasticity, specifically to that extent. And then we also were able to prove a 38 % increase in increased blood circulation and not just temporary, but larger blood vessels and more blood vessels, because ATP is very strong in reestablishing new pathways and larger pathways for circulatory benefits.

25:23David Suzuki:So when we think about that, that has a major effect on the texture, has a major effect on fine lines and wrinkles, has a major effect on regeneration and overall better looking skin.

25:37Skin Anarchy Host:Absolutely. That's really, I mean, that's amazing. That's really, really like very, very amazing data. And it's interesting because I don't know why we talk about skincare in such a silo when we know that there is immense benefit to like, you know, like people talk about delivery all the time, or they talk about all of these other components. But like what you're saying really makes me wonder. It's like, you know, we need to start working more on protocols and that protocol framework. And so, you know, with that, I would love for you to kind of speak on this, because I know there are certain ingredients, for example, that do like that penetration enhancement is there when you combine it with like microcurrent, when you, you know, electroporation, whatever.

26:15Skin Anarchy Host:And I know that electricity can be immensely beneficial now that we're looking at bigger, you know, ingredients like proteins and like growth factors and you know that kind of that kind of stuff so i'd love for you to speak on this in terms of like where we should go or like where you think the aesthetic field needs to kind of concentrate on in terms of like the protocol uh component and like figuring out those protocols

26:39David Suzuki:yeah so um thinking about um where do we incorporate microcurrent or microcurrent lifting or what we call sculpting um into the service um typically um we like to move right and even if you're doing this at home with a good cleansing, we want to go into an exfoliation product, whether it's an enzyme or maybe a light chemical peel, depending on what you're anticipating doing in that particular service or that particular day. We love to use tools and we'll talk about brushes here, I think in a minute. So I won't go too far into that right now, but we'd love to use exfoliation tools and brushes and things like that, that expedite that exfoliation process.

27:17David Suzuki:Because remember that that stratum corning, that top layer of the skin is completely non-living. And so what its job is, it's constantly sloughing off. That's why if you rub, let's say, a black cloth or something like that on your skin, even on your arm or whatnot, you'll always see a little bit of skin flakes. And a lot of times people think, oh my gosh, I'm dry, I'm flaky. It's natural. We're constantly peeling that layer off and losing that layer because it's non-living and it's constantly detaching. So our exfoliation process to make sure that we can expedite that detachment because that layer of non-living skin protects us from the sun to a certain degree.

27:53David Suzuki:So it deflects light. So that's why if you're ever going to do LED, you want to make sure to do a really good exfoliation because you're going to get a lot better energy into the skin. It's also non-living, so it's non-conductive. So it's not good for microcurrent for conductivity purposes. And when it comes to products that you were just talking about. It's not good for that because probably 70, 80 % of the products that you put on topically will get caught up in the stratum corneum and they'll never even make it to the tissue. So if we do a really great exfoliation, that would be our next step.

28:24David Suzuki:After that, then I'm going to go in and we'll talk about this in a minute. This is our BT Sculpt. We would go in and we would do all of our lifting movements. And then after we're done with our lifting movements, then we would apply either our ampoules, our serums, and our creams, typically in that order, smallest molecule first, most concentrated into the largest molecule, which is typically going to be the cream. We use specific frequencies with that, always water-based products. And what it does do is that in conjunction with having a really good exfoliated skin so that we have a clear pathway into the skin, then your electricity is also going to help to basically work as a courier, so to speak, or a delivery mechanism to help basically get a much better absorption into the skin, maybe 50, 60 times, 50 to 60 % more absorption in the skin than if you were just topically applied.

29:15Skin Anarchy Host:Wow. Yeah. That's exactly what I wanted to learn about because I mean, we never talk about that efficacy level, you know what I mean? That jump in true efficacy when it comes to skincare. And it's like, I don't know why we've never been concentrating on that as an industry. I mean, I would love for you to speak on these like new and emerging therapeutics though. like i know like for example exosomes like topical exosomes are a big buzz right now we don't have to discuss that specifically i know there's a lot of uh question marks and exosomes um but in general right like it's the idea of like the more and more we come up with ingredients that are biomimetic what does that mean in terms of trying to utilize energy more and more because i mean realistically in the human body physiologically proteins and everything that's working around those proteins that environment is electrically dictated, you know?

30:02Skin Anarchy Host:And so even like protein, protein interactions and like, you know, the way they fold and like all of the interactions with water, like that all has to do with like actual energetics. And so, you know, let's like, I'd love to dive into that component of it, you know, in terms of how you guys are approached that, you know, from, from your standpoint.

30:20David Suzuki:Yeah. Well, you know, one of the things with products is that I think that with general skincare products, they've come so far with the science that we have these days, all the new clinical evidence and things like that. One thing that I would say though, in regards to skincare is that again, most of this is formulated. I won't say that the formulations aren't good, a lot of great stuff out there, but I would say that generally speaking, there's two things. One is that regardless of how good the formulation is, if you can't get it in, you're on the outside. And so the results are going to be probably insignificant.

30:57David Suzuki:So that would be one. So I think basically making sure that you're prepared, meaning exfoliated, and then you have something to help enhance the absorption as like microcurrent. I think those are definitely a must do. Otherwise, I think you're kind of wasting your money on some of these great formulations. The second thing that I would say about formulations out there, and as far as formulating skincare products. We do that as well as, you know, we're a skincare manufacturer, as well as a medical device manufacturer. But I think that what I typically see in formulations is these very, very, very small percentages of some of these key peptides and those kinds of things.

31:34David Suzuki:And that's fine. I mean, everybody kind of has their own focus and whatnot, but I will tell you my focus is I always say this to everybody that will listen is that I really design our technology, our products, our protocols, everything that I'm involved in with our company, I'm literally making this and I'm in search of this for myself. I want to feel better. I want to be healthier. I want to be, I want to have younger and healthier looking skin. I want to rejuvenate. I'm looking for anything and everything that has the efficacy that's relative to the mitochondria. That's my main connection. Everything that we do has a relationship to the mitochondria typically to be able to actually make a more productive environment for that situation.

32:24David Suzuki:So when we go to make a skincare product, I'm not putting one tenth of a percent of that particular ingredient. Because if you look at the white papers on every single ingredient, when we're putting a deck together for our skincare products, you'll look at all the efficacy papers and all the studies and whatnot. And it will tell you right there that on this study, we use 2 % of this particular peptide in this study to be able to achieve this. Well, a lot of companies and a lot of people, and again, to each their own, will basically use one-tenth of 1 % of that product, and they will market that we have this peptide in here.

33:00David Suzuki:And this peptide has been proven to do one, two, and three. That's not a false statement. That is a true statement. They just left out the fact that it was a 2 % introduction of that particular key ingredient. not a one-tenth of 1 % kind of a thing. Well, for us, I don't really look at the monetary aspect of it as most of these other organizations do. I probably should, but I don't because I want this for myself. And I feel like if you can't get a result and if you're not going to follow that study, then why would you even put it in your product? I want to max everything out to the highest extent so that everything that we bring to market, at everything that we use on ourselves is going to make the biggest impact possible.

33:44David Suzuki:And we pick every single one of the ingredients based upon those things. And we mix our products for that.

33:49Skin Anarchy Host:I love that. And it's an interesting conversation because it really opens the door to understanding that there's very much a need for skincare to understand what's going to actually work. And then how can you pair it to really improve efficacy? So the whole 2 % peptide concentration thing, I just, you know, as a consumer, I'll tell you, yeah, like, I know that's not in these, you know, in these products at the end of the day. I know that's not what they're dealing with, like the actual percentage that they're doing their studies on. But here's the thing, if you learn how to deliver your actives better, right, or your bio, like, mimetic ingredients better, then you can still formulate in that.

34:31Skin Anarchy Host:But you have to be open-minded enough to, as a skincare brand, say by itself, topically applying this is not going to get you here. You know, like that's the, I feel like that conversation in this industry is so needed because everyone is trying to be the superhero by themselves. And it's like, need to learn, you know, like you need to learn to work together. And so that's where I feel like what you're, you guys have created is an immensely beneficial to not only consumers, but it's really beneficial for brands to then start looking towards companies like this and saying, how can I pair my topical with this device and really get that efficacy?

35:11Skin Anarchy Host:And then, I don't know, it's just an interesting conversation. So I figure, let's bring it up. What do you think going forward, we should concentrate on in terms of really understanding what's optimal for pairing with devices? So for example just to get us started like led is a big topic right like everybody talks about led mask red light therapy all of that but a big question becomes well what can you really pair with led treatment so if i'm doing the mask what can i put on my face from the skincare side or or can i use microcurrent after an led that kind of thing yeah yeah absolutely so um i would say first of all i'm

35:47David Suzuki:a huge fan of let me just digress there for a second i would i would i want to say that that But microcurrent is one spoke in the wheel of wellness and rejuvenation and better and younger looking skin. And it's really a full team effort in that way. I would say that there's nothing that comes close to our frequencies, not even close when it comes to mitochondria stimulation. And that is at the epicenter of wellness and younger and better looking skin. So I definitely think that frequency specific microcurrent should and must be that leader because of its strength and its efficacy in that way. However, other technologies, whether it's LED, fantastic.

36:30David Suzuki:I love LED. We do some LED as well. We've worked with LED technology probably for 15 or 20 years. So I like that, whether it's the 460 nanometers for the blue or whether it's the 590 nanometers for the yellow or the 640. For the red, I love all of those. I have one in my service room at my house. So I truly believe in that. I love oxygen infusion. We also do oxygen infusion. You, as you, as you know, the, the Krebs cycle and the entire mitochondria activity is an aerobic process. So when we talk about how do we create more mitochondria harmonization, well, we also need good purified oxygen available for the mitochondria to be able to actually produce at a higher level.

37:17David Suzuki:So oxygen infusion is really fantastic. And that's when we take, let's say the ambient air, it's probably, you know, 18 % It's maybe 18 % oxygen and probably 80%, if not more, nitrogen. We separate the oxygen and the nitrogen. So we basically have sieves that we basically filter out the nitrogen and we keep the purified oxygen and we come up with almost 100%. It's about 94 % pure oxygen. And if you start to spray that onto the surface of the skin, for example, skin gets super happy, really excited. and all of a sudden your mitochondria are chirping like little birds and it refines the pore size and it really basically aids to then using microcurrent right over the top of it because now we have that other vital component right there.

38:05David Suzuki:When you were talking about ingredients and the ingredient science, everything that we do typically with ingredients is also associated with mitochondria. So we use a ton of cellular respirators. So if we have an ingredient, for example, that helps the cellular respiration of the skin. Again, we're bringing more oxygen into the skin, which is a super positive thing because we want to basically give more oxygen to the mitochondria. We even use forms of live ATP in our products. And so there basically is the ability now to either have ATP supplements. You can actually take them orally. You can also basically find a lot of products as like ours, where we actually have ATP in the products themselves, they can be utilized in a similar fashion as your own natural ATP.

38:52David Suzuki:So it's very cool in that way. But yeah, I think that mixing different technologies, I think it's a great thing. I love the idea of layering technology. For at-home use, one of my favorite routines is using basically our Microsonic Cleansing Brushes, which are amazing. We also have an ultrasonic spatula that we call the B-T-Microfusion. That's amazing for super thorough exfoliation. And then of course, our BT scope, which is our at home microcurrent technology to basically scooped and lift the muscles and get all that specific frequency in there. So a person at home can pick up some of these tools, look for the best quality tools that are manufactured by, hopefully by a US company, I think are the best.

39:37David Suzuki:That's my opinion anyway. and that has a robust amount of education and history behind them and efficacy. And you can put together a pretty good regimen that you can really help take your skincare to the next level. You know, what I always say is this is that as a skin therapist, because not only am I, you know, my background is engineering, obviously, but also as a skin therapist is that I can say that I have magic hands and that I can do amazing things to your skin, but I can only do so much if I see you maybe every once every four weeks or maybe once every six weeks, right? So it's kind of like going to see that miracle doctor.

40:18David Suzuki:He or she might be great, but really the work is on you, right? And the work is what we do every minute of every day. And so we really not only basically have to go into that professional to get that mentorship, that education, to get those professional services, but also get that direction of how do we now service that skin at home? because we need to work out, you know, every day of the week to make sure that we're making the progress that we need to.

40:42Skin Anarchy Host:Absolutely. No, I think that's like, that's like the biggest thing with anything that has to do with like aesthetic at home, anything. It's like, you have to find a way that's going to be, you know, you're using products that have maximum efficacy designed into the, what they are, you know? And I, and I really, really personally speaking, like I am starting to advocate as much as I can for that because people are buying a lot of stuff at this point we're all buying a lot of stuff we're all selling you know we're all like spending crazy amounts of money on products that might be really really great formulas and the theory is there you know like biologically it makes sense but again like the delivery isn't that you know viable or like we're stuck at some sort of a gate because we haven't discussed things like you know what does light actually do in terms of pushing in like vesicles or like you know what what's the difference between yellow light blue light red light you know in terms of like other components and like how they interact so i just feel like this conversation is so broad and it needs to get even broader you know in terms of like understanding um you know skin health from that standpoint but yeah you make you make an excellent point though like in terms of like if you're gonna do this you gotta do it at home you gotta do it every day and you have to be responsible with what you expect you know like that's another and it's a big question i had for you because unfortunately i've had friends who look at me using my microcurrent device or whatever right and i use mine pretty regularly and they're like what are you doing like why are you doing that and i'm like you don't understand you know because you didn't see me 10 years ago or you know whatever x amount of years ago when i started something and now because i know this is a consumer you know um but you know i i would love to actually discuss further in terms of like, I know there are certain things people have questions about.

42:26Skin Anarchy Host:Like, for example, Botox is a big one that comes up. They're like, if I get regular, even baby Botox, can I use something like a microcurrent device? What are your thoughts around that in terms of like pairing this with like other aesthetic treatments and like, you know. Yeah.

42:40David Suzuki:I think that microcurrent pairs beautifully with just about everything. I think it's more at that core basis. So make sure before you start getting a lot of other things that go above and beyond that to max out your potential with microcurrent and some of your other more non-invasive sorts of things. A lot of things that you see in the marketplace, whether it's, let's say, radio frequency or whether it's other things like microneedling, and we do a lot of those things as well as a medical device manufacturer, but just kind of keep in mind that most things that essentially are sort of in the consumer-facing eye are usually more damaging first.

43:17David Suzuki:So it's a controlled form of damage. And then you go through your trauma, your regeneration, and then finally your renewal, hoping for that better result. When microcurrent basically is serviced on the skin, you're really just upregulating in a natural way what the body already does. You're just giving it more. So there's no damage. So you cut that whole thing out and you're really building up its organic base with microcurrent. But going into things like, can you layer it with injectables? Yes, absolutely. 100%. You just want to make sure that whoever your injector is, that they're aware that you're doing microcurrents.

43:50David Suzuki:And then they'll probably advise that you actually stay away from it for maybe three weeks or four weeks or whatnot. If you have fillers, that's going to be a little bit different. They might have a little bit more time that they want you to stay away from that. Make sure that you do all your lifting first because you want those muscles in the right spot to make sure that if you do do a little bit of filler, that you're going to basically have that located strategically. And then if you're doing things like radiofrequency or microneedling or whatnot, it's really fantastic in tandem because most of the other things, when you think about it, are all basically for the texture of the skin or maybe collagen production, elastin production.

44:30David Suzuki:That's all fantastic. We already went over how dominant microcurrent is for collagen and elastin. So there's nothing that really even comes close to it. But my point is, is that there's nothing else that does the sculpture of the face. And that's where microcurrent comes in. So when we talk about the tissue and the mitochondria and whatnot, yes, we're growing more collagen, we're growing more elastin, creating blood circulation. So we're improving the overall color of the skin, refining the pores, all those things. And that's going to give us a better look. But what about the actual sculpture of the face and the lack of tonicity, let's say, in the muscles as we get older?

45:05David Suzuki:So as we get older and these muscles start to elongate, they just start to lose their shape just a little bit. What we're going to do is we're going to come back in and we're going to physically move the muscles into a shorter position. And that's a form of what we call kinesiology. It's just like massage. And so we're going to actually come through and we actually have this really cool patented basically technology that we call K4iTech. This is actually spring loaded. So what happens is when I grab the muscle on the face here and I put this down, what's happening is there's tension moving upward.

45:39David Suzuki:So it's actually pushing that muscle into a shorter position. And what happens is immediately through kinesiology, the muscle responds and it goes into the shorter position. If I work on the nasolabial folds and I actually push the muscle back this way, the muscle will respond right away. Nothing to do with the current. This is physical movement basically using the probes here. So what happens is that once the frequency basically is incorporated with this, now I'm stimulating the mitochondria, I'm getting all that activity going, and it gives the muscle more endurance to stay and more reason to stay in that position for a longer period of time.

46:15David Suzuki:So no jolting the muscle or anything like that. That's not true microcurrent. True microcurrent, you're going to have to physically move the muscle. So it's actually spring-loaded, grabbing it and moving it upward. You could be working on your corrugator here. Same thing. you just grab the lower corrugator, put the probe down on the top, hold it, and you can just feel that eyebrow area in through here moving upward. So the sculpture portion of it is truly, truly important. So if you're going to do Botox, if you're going to do fillers, if you're going to do radiofrequency, if you're going to do LED, all those things are good.

46:49David Suzuki:Microneedling, there's some really good results you can get specifically on the neck area on microneedling. So I'm a fan of all those. I won't say that I'm opposed to all of it, but what I would say is your line leader should always be really your microcurrent. And the other thing too, is that if you're going to do those other things, just know that it's always damaging the skin first, microneedling, your radiofrequency, your laser, chemical, everything basically is really damaging it first to hopefully get a better result. So how do you basically minimize the trauma and heal and

47:22Skin Anarchy Host:regenerate quicker through your microcurrent yeah absolutely no i can i can definitely get behind that that's interesting how you showed that though the use of it because that's a big misconception right in like microcurrent devices is that you're supposed to just go over your entire face and it's like there's no instruction on that component like can you talk about that a little bit more like why that really matters like how you were showing like you have to grab the muscle and then let the current act like why does that physiologically matter yeah so when you grab the muscle here so

47:52David Suzuki:So this is working on this particular muscle for the nasal labials. If you grab this and head back this direction, I'm now pushing that muscle back. And just like, you know, when you go into for a massage, when you go in for a massage, basically that's exactly what kinesiology is. And so let's say that the massage therapist basically works on the upper trap. They take it from the belly of the muscle in that case, and they're moving it outward. And you loosen the muscle, you loosen the tension on the origin insertion point. And all of a sudden, your range of motion comes back. You feel pretty good.

48:21David Suzuki:and it just feels a little bit different. And the muscle will eventually come back to a little bit of a smaller spot. So maybe a few days later, it gets a little bit snugger again. So this is the exact same thing basically that we're doing here is that we're moving the different muscles in the face. So lower master for the jawbone. So I want to bring that jawbone up and I want to try to get rid of some of that gobble down here. I'm going to work on that lower master, bring that up here. I'm going to work on my upper master, which is going to be my cheekbone line right here. So I work on that one here with, again, our BT sculpt.

48:52David Suzuki:So I pull that up there. I work on my corrugators in through here because I want my eyebrows to come up. So I'm going to work on those, holding it usually for about 13 seconds each time. So I'm holding that. And then I'm going to also work over here on my nasal labial, pushing that all the way back because I want that to hopefully disappear as much as I possibly can. And then I would repeat that on the other side. So each time I'm holding this for about 12 seconds. And what's happening is that physically we're moving it with the spring-loaded K4i tech patented technology, and it's pushing it into that shorter position.

49:28David Suzuki:The body responds right away. The ATP levels all of a sudden give it more stamina to stay in that new position for a longer period of time. And then if you repeat it, let's say about three nights per week, now you're constantly reminding your muscles to get back into that spot, kind of like you do when you're working out. Now, there's also a certain amount of muscle activation that happens with the frequency too, as we're actually running the frequency through here. And we're not only stimulating the mitochondria, getting the physical kinesiology, but we also have a frequency muscle activation that's happening.

50:01David Suzuki:So what's happening is that it's really starting to reconnect this new muscle size with the brain so that the brain believes that this is normal. This is where this should be. And your brain actually controls all the master frequency in the whole human body. And so that's one of the reasons why we can stand upright and we can walk and everything else because it controls the tonicity or the length, so to speak, of the muscles, which basically orchestrates the whole physical stature of the human body. So if we're reactivating these muscles, we're physically pushing them in that spot, increasing ATP, and then also activating a little bit of muscle frequency.

50:40David Suzuki:So reactivating those muscles, it starts to reconnect the neural pathways to that muscle that this is where this needs to be. Now, some people have talked about microcurrent with Bell's palsy and stroke victims. That's a medical indication. So you can do that as a skin therapist to treat that, you know, to charge somebody. But we have heard and seen so many anecdotal stories and responses and observations where people have used it on stroke victims because what it does is it starts to reconnect the neural pathways from an electrical standpoint. And so those muscles basically start to reconnect and they have an idea now of where they need to be.

51:19David Suzuki:When there's no electrical pathways that are connected, it's a full droop, right? So it's almost like a full paralysis. So if you can reconnect those, now all of a sudden that muscle can start to act at least a little bit more similar to how it did before. Some people have complete recovery.

51:35Skin Anarchy Host:Yeah, that's really, really fascinating. And thank you so much for explaining that. That's the kind of information I really wanted to get because I have ptosis. So for me, I've used microcurrent for my ptosis for a long, like my entire adult life. And no one believes me when I say, I'm like, literally, if you look at me right after I get microcurrent and I do it, it's like, I don't have it at all. And it's been working for me. And so the conversation also comes up about like muscle fatigue. People say that a lot. It's like, you know, eventually you're going to fatigue your muscles out and it's not going to work anymore.

52:06Skin Anarchy Host:And it's like, that's a topic. I mean, can you talk to us about that as well in terms of, is that, I mean, is that true? Is that myth? Like, what is the science of that?

52:14David Suzuki:Yeah. So there's, there's two things that I'd say about that is one is that if you're using these higher levels, like of electrical muscle, similar as making them twitch, you will totally fatigue the muscle and you'll kill off the mitochondria activity and you'll kill and evaporate, essentially dissipate all the ATP that's in those localized areas. So higher levels of current are absolutely terrible. But if we're constantly doing good frequency, lower levels using something like this BT Sculpt, then what's happening is that we're just constantly pumping up the ATP levels, the mitochondria at natural levels that are similar to basically what the body already functions off of.

52:54David Suzuki:So it's basically like you're part of the family here. So we're just basically good fuel, so to speak. It's like good organic food, right? That we're kind of giving to the human body there. And we won't fatigue the muscles. You can't really overdo it with microcurrent, but you can basically really regenerate them and make them healthy. Now, here's something that will probably blow your mind a little bit off of skincare, care. But we have some equipment that we're developing right now that's basically for full body regeneration. And why is that important? Because as we start thinking, we start to really dive deep into the weeds in regards to the mitochondria.

53:29David Suzuki:It's again, not just in the face, it's all over the human body. So we grew up in a household where frequency was everything that we talked about, that we used, and we did it continuously to prepare for sporting events, to recover from sporting events, and to basically heal from injuries, from surgeries, and everything else. And so one of the things that we're really after that's really, really, I think people are aware of right now is basically just that recovery. So we're constantly looking at how much sleep we're getting. We're constantly looking at how much rest we're getting. We're constantly looking at how many steps that we're taking and things like that.

54:08David Suzuki:And why that's really important for people who are really into wellness and into athletics or just, you know, weekend warriors and things like that is because injury basically massively multiplies when you become weaker and if you are tired and you're not fully recovered. So what we're really doing is focusing in on technology for, let's say, you know, weekend warriors, runners, baseball players, golfers, whatever sport that you're into. For example, I've just basically been really into running. And so I just did a marathon about three weeks ago and I ran the full 26 mile marathon. And what I did before the marathon is we do basically a full body electrical charge with our microcurrent frequencies to massively ramp up the ATP levels to really prime the body so it can perform in its best capacity.

55:07David Suzuki:Run the marathon. Immediately after the marathon, I basically come back to my home and the whole human body. And so what that does is that another 20, 25 minutes of frequency, the next day I feel fantastic. I'm already basically feeling good. Two days after that, I ran another 15 miles just to prove the point that my body basically had for the most part recovered, not fully, but enough that I could actually do easily another half a marathon in two days and I'm almost 60 years old. So being able to actually recover that quickly is absolutely amazing. So it's not just for the face, the entire human body basically benefits from the frequencies of microcurrent.

55:49Skin Anarchy Host:That's interesting. And, you know, I do have a question though, because I've had this question. I know I've seen a lot of people talk about, you know, like the body's like the whole energetic, you know, biohacking side of this whole thing. I don't like the word biohacking, but, you know, I, my biggest question though is about cardiovascular health. And the heart's rhythm, you know, and not messing with things like that. That's a major, major question. I don't know where the data is on all of that. And I'd love, I mean, do you know what we're, what we've seen or we've looked at already in that space?

56:22Skin Anarchy Host:Or I mean, what is it?

56:24David Suzuki:Yeah, I can tell you. So, so because we're a medical device manufacturer and we, we do skincare products, skincare technology, but full medical device range as well. And we have a huge focus on our quality management where ISO 9001, ISO 13485, MDSAB, CEMDR, anything that you can think of from a compliance and regulatory standpoint, safety standpoint on a worldwide basis, we are part of. And I would say that when it comes to electrical stimulation on the lower side, meaning more microcurrent, frequency-specific microcurrent, I've really seen nothing that is of any significant concerns for myself.

57:02David Suzuki:So it doesn't worry me or bother me whatsoever. However, contraindications on a federal level that are required basically for anything that emits electrical current are typically pacemaker on any sort of heart issues, thrombosis, phlebitis, currently under a medical practitioner's care. So it's always best to check if you have some sort of a heart condition or whatnot. It's best to check with your medical professional to see, is it okay? Do you feel like it's okay if I can use microcurrent in that sort of a way? Now, when we're using it on the face, it stays localized between these probes right here.

57:42David Suzuki:So it's going nowhere else in the human body. It's still technically a contraindication because you have to put that as a contraindication because you're federally mandated, but it never leaves this area. So it's only going to be basically in the tissue right here. It's never going to go past the heart or anything like that. Right. If you're using other things like, let's say electrical muscle stem, that's going to be a much higher level. So that could have a little bit more of a concern with the heart, because, again, everything is an electrical system and the heart's basically one muscle that's electrically basically expanding, you know, and contracting in that way.

58:16David Suzuki:But yeah, I've not really, I think microcurrent is one of the least concerning and that's the great thing about it. That's why they use it on, you know, we were talking about horses. We're talking about Olympic athletes. There's really not any NFL, NHL, MLB team, college teams that don't have our frequency specific type of microcurrent because it's so effective. And there's no, there's now a downside of it. There's really nothing bad that happens to it from it. I think it's only good.

58:49Skin Anarchy Host:That's really interesting because I'm a huge believer in using these different modalities for true longevity-based therapies. For overall health, I think I've always been a believer in it personally as a scientist. I just think that the reason I asked you that also is because there are so many people that are fear-mongering in this space. And one of my biggest arguments is always like, well, what about all the cardiotoxic drugs that we have approved in this country? There's so much crap out there and you're taking it systemically and it's actually damaging like the nodes in your heart, for example.

59:24Skin Anarchy Host:And so that's a big thing I do want to debunk in this conversation. Like having this conversation with you is debunk that for our audience because I'm not saying it can't cause issues, right? If you have, like you said, pre-existing heart condition, any kind of pacemaker, any kind of implant. but for the normal everyday person that doesn't have those to then like you know you have to weigh the weigh that conversation scientifically you know in terms of like who's actually talking about this and like and what you said is so important about the localization of these currents when you're utilizing them in the muscles so it's like you know if you're using it on your legs that stimulation is localized you know it's a very like almost precision therapy approach rather than I think a lot of people kind of assume, right?

1:00:07Skin Anarchy Host:Which is like, oh my God, like my body is being electrified or something, you know, whatever. So I think it's a really, really important conversation to have, you know, because I would love to see us go in this direction because there is like endless, you know, therapeutic potential when you understand energy, you know?

1:00:24David Suzuki:Yeah.

1:00:25Skin Anarchy Host:And one big question I have for you, is there currently a map that talks about the frequencies that are optimal for certain muscle groups? Like, like, for example, like I know in the neck area, they're much thinner. The muscles are much thinner, you know, talking about that kind of, is that conversation happening from what you see right now? Oh yeah.

1:00:43David Suzuki:Yeah. And so, you know, again, our focus is more mitochondria and inflammation, but frequency specific microcurrent. If you looked at that frequency specific microcurrent, there's a whole group of doctors who use our equipment that we, we designed that are doing some amazing things and they're doing everything from upregulating, downregulating, melatonin, dopamine, serotonin, you know, everything that you can think of. We're like our own little pharmaceutical factory right here inside our own body. And by being able to communicate to the body, there's some really, really amazing things. So there's a lot of good reading to do on that.

1:01:25David Suzuki:And we're just scratching the surface. I mean, we've been doing this since the 70s, but I still feel like we're new. You know, it's like, it's amazing how much we don't know. And at the last conference that I went to, the last frequency-specific microcurrent conference that I went to with all the doctors and just listening to days and days of seminars and conversations and things like that, it just absolutely amazes me at some of the things that are happening out there. And we're super honored to be part of it as the manufacturer and supplier of that equipment.

1:01:58Skin Anarchy Host:I love it. Well, I mean, I'm so excited for everything you guys are doing and what you're going to do in the future. I am just so thrilled to see someone focus on the space like that, because anyone who is, you know, a big science nerd, we all understand the benefits of truly understanding energetics and understanding how energy moves in our body. I mean, that's really what we are. You know, we're like really like balloons, you know, water with a lot of energy moving through us, you know. And so I just I'm very, very excited to see what you guys are doing. But thank you so much. This has been such an amazing conversation and very excited.

1:02:31Skin Anarchy Host:If anybody listening wants to check out Biotherapeutic or like partner with them in a professional setting, you can scroll down. The information is in our show notes, but definitely reach out to us as well if you want to get more information about the brand. But thank you so much, David. This was really great.

1:02:44David Suzuki:You're welcome. Enjoy the conversation. Thank you for having us.