10-man Everton stun Man Utd at Old Trafford

0:06You're listening to the Sky Sports Premier League podcast. Welcome along. The Premier League weekend was rounded off with a Monday night football clash between Manchester United and Everton at Old Trafford. Here's how things sounded at full time.

0:27A terrific Toffees triumph at Old Trafford. And for David Moyes as a visiting manager, a first win at this ground. and in some circumstance Michael Keane struck by his teammate Adrissa Gay in the first half of the ten men dug deep, Keane and Dewsbury Hall with the winner, Jordan Pickford with some terrific stops and for Everton they don't win at this ground often but tonight they deserve this victory Gary absolutely, what a night for David Moyes what a night for those Everton players every single one of them to a man outstanding from start to finish pre the ten men they were the best team and post the ten men resilient brilliant on the ball brave fantastic defending good goalkeeping and what a night for those Everton fans to our right they've been to Old Trafford many many times and not one for Manchester United it's an understatement to say that is a very bad one Manchester United losing at home for the first time since their opening match day but to be all honest in all honesty the night belongs to Everton who've emerged from this match with a victory considering the circumstances it's one they'll remember for a long long time final score at Old Trafford Manchester United nil Everton But this is a night that belongs to Everton and David Moyes.

2:05What a result. The first visiting team to win at Old Trafford in the Premier League with 10 players. His first win as a visiting manager at Old Trafford edged all over his face. And Everton's first win there since 2013 when Roberto Martinez was the Everton manager. Roberto with us here tonight. What a night for the topies, Roberto. Incredible. Incredible. I think David Moyes deserves it to the full because it was a challenging night. It wasn't a night that just came to you from the first minute. You would say everything had to be right to win and it wasn't like that. They started really well, really brave.

2:45Then the adversity of the red card and the way it happened. But from that point on, obviously they had to be very resilient in the second half. At the time United had their chances but you would expect that when you play away from home and it's just what the club deserves and and nights like that are very very special i think for me it's a defining moment for this season i think everything can go and look to a different objective now not many people fancied ever before the game Roberto when you were asked at the top of the show you seem to believe that they could win tonight i did i did because i've seen obviously David Moyes does it really well to create that believe that competitive nature and clarity.

3:24And I think today you saw it that United have a great opportunity because winning today, it means you get into the top four. United that he can focus in the league, he doesn't play in European competitions, but you look at this. It's so that the incident between I think the Everson fans were singing Kino, Kino. But it was such unusual. You look at the togetherness of this group and that reaction obviously between to get the red card for Gay and King. It was such an isolated incident that it doesn't reflect the togetherness that they have in that dressing room. Maybe it's because they were caring too much and the reaction got out of hand, but it's just how they overcame that.

4:08It's very easy to go to Old Trafford, get a red card, and that's enough of an excuse to lose a game. They seem to focus their minds in this instance, maybe because of the circumstances in which it came about. It was so unusual, but yeah, there was a real determination, wasn't there, about the Everton side here this evening. And they got the job done in terrific fashion. Well done to them, to Kiernan Dewsbury Hall, whose goal was the difference between the two sides. What a great night for them. And they have climbed up to 11th. And at this stage of the season, above Liverpool for the first time since 2015, when Roberto Martinez was in charge of Everton.

4:51I think it reflects on both teams, Everton's good, solid start and Liverpool's poor one right now. Didn't quite manage to find that extra goal to get themselves above Manchester United, who were their level on points with on 18. United in 10th and they miss out on the chance tonight to go into the top four.

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6:04Deewsbury Hall and still and still oh it's fantastic brilliant goal the ten men strike at Old Trafford Keane and Deewsbury Hall against the odds for Everton what a goal and what a victory for Everton tonight their first at Old Trafford since 2013 and Kenan, do you see what the match winner is ready to speak to us live right now? Congratulations, Kenan. Thank you so much for talking to us. Can you sum up tonight from your own perspective? Because that was a strange one, wasn't it? Yeah, I think you summed that up pretty well. Rollercoaster game. I'll sleep well tonight, put it that way. But yeah, I'm just, I'm so happy.

6:56I'm so genuinely happy for the lads, how hard they worked. I thought it was just a fantastic performance of just gritting away, getting a goal and just keeping together, showing that spirit. And so thankful we got the three points. You'd actually started really well in the game, but then you had a couple of setbacks because Sheamus had to go off early with injury. That was in the first 10 minutes. And then you were down to 10 after just 13 minutes. What was your take on what happened there between Michael Keane and Udrisse Gueye? Because it's only the third incident in Premier League history when a player has been sent off for violent conduct, you know, for an attack on his own player.

7:37Yeah, like you said, we started really well. And then obviously the situation happened. I think it was just a moment of madness. And yeah, it was obviously avoidable. But look, all I can say is Adriss has apologised to us all at full time and said his piece. And look, that's all he can do. We move on from it. But I just thought the reaction from the lads after that was unbelievable. Top tier because we could have easily crumbled there and gone in on ourselves and lost the game comfortably. But I thought it probably made us grow in the more as a team. And you've seen that tonight. And what did the manager have to say about it at half time, Kiernan?

8:18Yeah, he just said, look, that's done now. We'll deal with that another time. But it's just about making sure we keep to the plan that we had. I mean, we played really well in the first half, even after the 10 men. So he was trying to make sure that we do the right things, continue doing what we're doing. And yeah, just focus on the game because we can't change that now. It's done. It's all we can do is focus on the game. And for the second half, yeah, we continue to do that. And yeah, got the three points. Well, let's get to the positives, Keenan. The goal. Talk us through it. Yeah, I mean, I just see myself in a little pocket.

8:53Jimmy finds me and, yeah, just a little couple of movements. I thought, I'm going to swing it on my right. I can't say I've done that many times on my right foot, but I didn't even know I had it in the locker. But, yeah, I'll take it. Yeah, I'll take it. That was definitely deserved on the run of plays, certainly the start you made to the game. But it was a little bit surprising how high you pressed, how aggressive you were, how on the front foot you were initially, playing really well before the red card. Was that a big part of the build-up to this game, to try and get after Manchester United?

9:28Yeah, spot on, 100%. Look, I've said it before in a couple of interviews, we sort of want a bit of a mentality shift here at the club now. We're looking on to a brighter future with all the things that are happening, so it's about going to big places like this and trying to impose ourselves, not just be sitting ducks and waiting to get beat. we actually want to go and take it to teams and try and be on the front foot. And I thought we did that really well up until the incident. And then obviously it changed our game plan for the rest of the game. But I mean, it showed that we can do both sides of it.

9:58Obviously we'd like to be more aggressive in the game and I would, but look, it is what it is. It's football. And the main thing is obviously what happened at the end in the three points. Keenan, you've joined, you know, a fantastic football club with a huge fan base, really passionate. How have you found the first few months at Everton? a new stadium, obviously David Moyes, brilliant manager for the club, has come back as well. How have you found your time so far and you've already seemed to have built a real connection with the supporters? Yeah, to be honest, Jamie, I've absolutely loved it since I've been here.

10:28I've said, look, for me to leave my old club, it would have to be for an exciting project and I think Everton's a perfect example. New stadium, their ownership, real shifting mentality and that's something I want to be a part of. I want to be part of that group that's going to try and take the club forward. And look, I can't thank the fans enough for the way they've treated me and my family since I've been here. It's been unbelievable and it just makes you as a player want to just run through brick walls. And I'm glad that I can bring moments of quality like that when it's needed to come. And yeah, keep building, keep improving and look, see where we are at the end of the season.

11:04Absolutely, Ken. And it's nights like this, results like this that really strengthen and deepen those bonds as well, isn't it? And I think we've got some pictures of those final few moments on the pitch. You said it was a tough one. You know, you certainly put the legwork in this evening. So you were begging for the whistle to be blown there. No, you know what? Watching a game of football is the hardest thing in the world. I was off for like 10 minutes and it felt like an hour. Like when you're on the pitch and you've got a certain amount of control, it's a bit different. But when you're off and watching it, it's the most nerve wracking thing in the world.

11:41But like you said, look, coming to places like Old Trafford and winning, it's like the big moments in your career and the moments you want to have. So it's something that we can definitely be proud of. But got an important one of games now, three or four games, where if we pick up a decent amount of results, then we're looking up instead of looking down. Many congratulations on a brilliant performance, a great victory and a wonderful goal as well, Kiernan. Thank you so much for talking to us. Well done. Thanks, guys. Take care. We talk a lot, don't we, about the two wide players, Grealish and Jai.

12:14Should we be talking more about this guy as well? Absolutely. And I think it's one aspect that he was talking about the fans. Everton is a demanding club. When you arrive as a player, straight away you need to have real strong character to be able to show what you can bring. And I think he's come in with a lot of big confidence. He's very assured of himself. Obviously, when you get the way that David Moyes is building this team, you've got real threat in the wide areas, is when you pick the right time to penetrate through the central pockets. And he does that like anybody. Then off the ball, he's got the grit, he's got this understanding.

12:51He really gives an extra dimension to this Everton side. You can see here the goal is so clever to find the space. Look at Jamie. That's where we see him there, Roberto. What I think is really interesting here on the goal is, we talk about how positive Everton were. Don't forget, this is with 10 men. But Duesby Hall's position actually changed with 10 men. He actually went more to a central midfield position. But again, he finds himself ahead of the ball and actually behind Manchester United's two central midfield players between the lines. And that would have been the plan before the game, but maybe not necessarily when they went down to 10 men.

13:27I think it's using that intelligence. Obviously, you need to do an hybrid role. Off the ball, you need to get the two banks of four. Here, this is such an intelligent position. I'm sure that Ruben Amorin will be just questioning the lack of communication between you looking at the centre-half, Yoto, with all the three centre-halves against one player. You would like somebody to step in. But from Kirlen's point of view, to be able to turn, this is something that we don't appreciate enough in football. And parts of coaching, look at the position. It's totally back to play. He turns around, he's aware, perfect scanning.

14:04He knows where his teammate is. He knows where the opposition is. And that skill of being able to turn in one move, technically, is very, very gifted. How important is that in, I wouldn't say the modern game, but for players especially who want to find themselves between the lines scanning, we hear that a lot now with coaches and younger players over these last few years, how important that is and understanding where you are and that you can turn and you're not going to turn into trouble and lose possession. Scanning is a big part of the game. It gives you information. But the hardest scanning is the moment that you are back to play and you're going to receive the ball.

14:40As the ball is travelling from James Gardner there, he's got all the information and that allows him now to turn. The decision for him to turn or to play back is taking the chance away. He can receive with a back foot. now he knows that he's got one six next to him and he's got the two centre-half. Straight away, that scanning, that information allows you to almost straight away, this is my direction of the next move, when normally the easiest thing is when you're back to play. It would be just to keep the ball and play in front of you. And you don't break anything. I just wanted to look, listen, we're looking at this from an evidence point of view, you know, when I get that.

15:18But I just wanted to, if I can just take this back, I don't think Larry Jorow covers himself in glory. And I always try and defend young centre-backs. They've been there, you're still learning the game, you make mistakes and you can get punished. But when we're talking about some scanning there, Roberto, when you play in a back three, I think it gives you a licence to go and step in. Don't forget, Everton are only playing with one striker. Now, the ball bypasses the two centre midfield players. We've said that a lot, probably over this season at times. Casemiro and Bruno, Bruno's really attacking.

15:47Casemiro maybe at times lacks a little bit of pace. He has to jump, he has to go. He has to go in there, Roberto. He has to make sure he can't turn. It's the communication. So we're talking about from the third center half. Remember the look show here is the third center half. That should be straight away the three center half shuffling across, and that would allow Euro to go. It's very difficult to take that in your own will, to make your own decision that I'm going to jump. Obviously, that needs to be a decision that is sink by the three center halves. And that's the strength of the three center halves.

16:17You can really be when the teams, Dugsbury Hall with 11 men, he was the second striker. So clearly here, you can really be aggressive and take the risk and jump out. He should also do a lot better in the 1v1 as well. He should do better there. Probably. You mentioned the goalkeeper at half-time, but I just think... Well, for anyone who's just joining us now, do you think the goalkeeper should be doing better here? I think he's very unlucky. At this moment, we cannot see it here. He doesn't see the ball. And then it's just a reaction. I know that Sané is a young boy. I had him in the camp. He can easily step onto the left, but it just makes a little jump the moment that he doesn't see the ball.

16:58The moment that he wants to react, it's too late, and he's just reacting to try to get where the ball is. I think it's a bit of a surprise. When Duesbury Hall turns, Jorah will expect to be going into his left foot. The moment that he turns and he goes into the inside is a very unlucky moment for the goalkeeper not to be able to see the total direction. Kenan, do you see, all told us he didn't know he had it in his locker, so he's got no chance. Well, it has now. Has he? A goal worthy of winning the game. Here is David Moyes with Pien Mullins scene. David, congratulations. Just talk us through how proud you are of that performance tonight.

17:35Well, incredibly proud of the players and the supporters here today because we know with so many encounters here, we've not got a result. We've come close a lot of times, but not quite when we're able to go over the line. But tonight, incredibly, we got over the line with 10 men, which was probably the hardest way to get a good result here. Just talk me through your feelings when that full-time whistle went. Well, I felt actually for all the supporters who had made the journey and obviously for long parts of the game, we had to just sort of sit in and defend. I thought we started the game brilliantly well, passed the ball well, looked quite comfortable and lots of things we were doing.

18:11And then we got the sending off, which meant the sort of game changed. But, you know, the resilience and the toughness behind the scenes at Everton was really good. and the players had to show that tonight. Is that the most pleasing part of tonight, the way that your side reacted to what did happen early on? Well, to get out of 10 men here at our side, let's be fair, Manchester United are in pretty good form at the moment and playing much better. So it was never going to be an easy game for us tonight. We are living players, but to do it with 10 was an incredible job by the players. Fantastic.

18:44But good goalkeeping, good resilience defensively when we needed it. The boys were brave enough to try and take the ball at the right moment, certainly in the first half. The second half was much harder, but overall, it would be very hard to fault them for how they played tonight. They were so good. There were two big moments, really, at the start. The fact that you lost your captain, Seamus Coleman. First of all, how is he? I was surprised because Seamus has played a few games, but he just felt a nick in his hamstring. That was it, and that happened very quickly. That was a disruption to us as well.

19:16and then obviously the sending off as well. So those things happen in football. You have to cope with them. It's not easy at times to cope with them, especially losing a player. They're losing a player through a sending off. But look, the players done a brilliant job tonight in making sure that we got something from the game. What did you make of what happened with the red card? Because we don't see that very often. No, we don't. And I'm surprised. I think if nothing happened, I don't think MD in the stadium would have been surprised. I thought the referee could have maybe taken a little bit longer to think about it maybe just going over and sorted it and had a think about it I'm sort of getting told the rules of the game means if you slap even your own player or you lift an arm in some way then you could be in trouble but you know there's another side I quite like my players fighting each other and getting annoyed with each other because it was a bad ball or someone didn't do the right action I think that's part of it If you want a winning team and you want that resilience and the toughness which got us the result, then I think you have to have players who are going to act that way.

20:18I'm disappointed we get the sending off, but everybody will tell you we've all been footballers and the ones who have been will tell you that quite often you'll get angry with your teammates. Have you spoken to Idriss again and has he spoken to Michael Keane as well afterwards? He's apologised in the dressing room for the sending off. He's praised the players incredibly for their performance tonight and thanked them for it. and as I said, he's apologised for what happened. There was the winning moment with Kenan Duesbihol's goal. Just talk us through how you saw it because it was a fantastic strike and he's been playing brilliantly recently.

20:50He has been and his goal was what we hoped from him and he's been a bit unlucky, maybe not to do a couple more this season but he took his goal really well. He's been a big help to us as a team and helped us improve in many ways. So I'm pleased for him because he works really hard. a good solid professional and he's come in and helped us We know Thomas Tuchel was watching on as well but Jordan Pickford made some incredible saves tonight don't you think? Jordan made brilliant saves he really did three or four really good saves but lucky but I probably had to do that with 11 but I also thought the likes of Jimmy Gardner played very well and Ciaran Dewsbury Hall so we've got a few English players and hopefully he'll keep his eye on them David thank you very much for your time well done tonight thank you thank you good to see you cheers Yeah, pretty happy David Moyes and why not?

21:40Only the second manager in 34 years from Everson to go and win at Old Trafford, the first time he's done as a visiting manager. You know how he's going to be feeling right now Roberto, because you were the other one. So tell us. I think you understand when you go away from home, you've got this support that not many people know. Obviously, Everson has nine league titles and there is a real belief that the silverware should be there and the glory times. And as a manager, you feel that feeling. You want to give it back to the fans. So when that happens, today is a historic moment. When that happens, it's a celebration for the full football club.

22:17And David Moyes deserves it. I think he's started, he's made the transition to leave Goodison Park and go into the new stadium. And he's done it with a real natural feel, without losing the strength of Goodison Park and then opening a new era. And there's no better way than opening a new era with a result like that. It's a landmark in the history of Everton. Absolutely. And it sounds like the boxing glove is going to be out at the training ground this week. Because he quite likes a bit of fighting amongst his team. So let's have another look then, Jamie, at this incident, which is going to be much talked about and probably would have been a lot more had Everton actually lost the game tonight.

22:55Yeah, but what we shouldn't forget is the result for Everton and how positive Everton way before it. We just mentioned that in the interview. Just keep an eye on this. This is the start of the clip and probably sums up why we said Everton started so well. So you've got your front four here, high up the pitch, not on the half, looking to press. And then as we just roll around and we see who comes into shot, Michael Keane, he's going in there to press. It's Masraoui, who's the wing-back, but that would have been the number 10 because he swapped position with him way more here. The left-back's jumping as well.

23:23That was Everton at the start of the game. Fantastic. On the front foot, aggressive, going after Manchester United. We said that to Dewsbury Hall, but that was the only time they got caught out in that first sort of 13 minutes, really. Everton really dominated Manchester United in those first 10 or 12 minutes. Tarkovsky does really well. And then, obviously, there's a mix-up here between. That can happen. And it's just so over the top, the reaction from Idrissa Gueye. Listen, Idrissa Gueye's been a brilliant player for Everton. He's apologised, and it's one of those... I think Dewsby Hall called it perfectly a moment of madness.

23:56The frustration is he's going to be banned for three games now, and then he's off to probably the African Cup of Nations. That is the frustration. Just a reminder for you, that striking an opponent or any other person on the head or face with a hand or arm is setting off on vents unless the forced use was negligible. And that was a decision that Tony Harrington had to make in that split second. And David Moyes said he would like to have seen the referee give himself a little bit more time to come to that verdict. I think everybody in football will love the referee to have the strength to manage the game.

24:26And we all understand it. But we need to understand the professional or the professionalism professionalism that is trying to be imposed into the education of a referee the referee with the vr now if the referee doesn't show the red card it would have been called by the vr because that's how it works now with the vr there is not such a power for the referees to manage the game we used to say always in the game you want you want to be 11 against 11 you need the referee to manage both teams at the same level little last line just make it subjective there roberto take that away from the VAR. It's not subjective because you know nowadays if you get called up by the VAR and that's something that needs to change.

25:04When the VAR appeared was to correct the errors. Now the VAR should be to empower the referee. If the VAR calls the referee and the referee goes and checks and says I've seen it but I got my decision and I want to carry on without the red card. He cannot do it. The rules are as a referee if you want to get a good mark you need to follow the rules and unfortunately it's just the height. So that slap from Idrissa Gueye is in the shoulder is not a problem. It's just above the neck is a red card and the referee has to apply the rules. And I'm, as a football man, and I understand what David Moyes is saying and Jamie said it, you would prefer the referee to manage the game and just let the standards in a way that they can play.