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20:37Edwin van der Sar:OK, the top two, yeah, that's out of reach. But I think the main thing for Manchester United to finish in the top four, top five, get that Champions League football, get some more results in March. I think there are some periods between them, of course not out of the cup, no international football. So he has time to work on the formation in the training ground at Carrington. Let's hope the form of the team is growing all the time. Clicking, of course there is demand for places. The question of the journalists are now coming, of course, even stronger. Does Sechko need a starting position? perhaps, but at the moment, yeah, he's picking the right numbers and the right names for the team.

21:22Edwin van der Sar:Good also with injuries, injury-wise, Martinez, I think Jorah played also his part in the game tonight. So players are getting their chances and hopefully the success will be there. It's working, isn't it? The decisions, the timing of the substitutions. How do you see that race for Champions League football now?

21:41David Jones:I think Manchester United are virtually a guarantee in that position because Aston Villa are going to have, well Aston Villa look like the dropping points at the moment, they've got still the European footballer on Thursday night as well, so a lot of Thursdays Sunday, Liverpool and Chelsea are both still in Champions League and they've got FA Cup as well and will do well in at least one of those competitions at least a semi-final and final and yeah I can't see Manchester United not making it There you go Mind games No, I do. I do believe that. I'm sure they're hanging on you for every word. Yeah, I'm sure I'll get into your head as well.

22:17You'll see them again on Sunday against Crystal Palace. Two o 'clock, one of three games kicking off at two on Sunday. Sky Sports main event. Now six home defeats for Everton at Hill Dickinson. That's one more that they had in all of their last season at Goodison. Here's David Moyes with Juliet. David, despite the scoreline are you relatively happy with what you saw out there? Well I'm not happy with the scoreline that's for sure because you have to win games if you're going to keep moving on and we've not been doing that quite as much as we'd like to do, especially here but performance wise we've lost narrowly 1-0 to Manchester United we narrowly beat them 1-0 at Old Trafford so the early part of the season we were the ones who were celebrating and they're the ones tonight.

23:04So I generally think that we've done very well in lots of bits. We get done way on the counter-attack and they ran away and they got the one goal which was there. But I thought we put in great effort to try and get the goal, but just lacked the quality maybe to make that goal count. Was it a lack of concentration as well that led to their goal? Because you were on top in that spell. Yeah, I think we were. I've had a look at it. We've got our midfield player crossing the ball in the box, we've got our left back end, we just weren't organised well enough off the ball. I have to praise them for their quick attack.

23:43But we knew that was the case, we'd seen them doing it recently, Manurated have been doing it very well. They've got forward players who have got that ability to run away fast and make chances. And in most of the game we had controlled it pretty well. but at one moment we had switched off and it gave them that opportunity Double digits as well on the corner count law of averages would suggest that one of them, maybe two of them would have gone your way Yeah, I mean I don't think they had too many tonight but I just thought their goalkeeper done a great job I thought their goalkeeper made an amazing save from Michael Keane it looked as if he was nearly going to come and take every corner kick and he made it difficult for us to score.

24:29But I thought there was a goal in us somewhere in it, but we just couldn't quite do it. And when you look at the bigger picture, the support, you could hear them, the supporters chanting Everton, applauding the players off the pitch.

24:39David Jones:They could see the effort that was put in there tonight. Well, I think the effort the players have put in all season, but I take your point tonight. I think they saw us pushing United right to the last minute. We just couldn't quite get it. And I think we deserved it. I don't think we deserved to lose the game tonight. So from that point of view, we got way disappointed, but sort of good things we can take from it as well. David, thank you. Thank you. See you later. But still the wait for home victory in 2026 goes on for Everton. How are they going to change this narrative, Jamie? What are they going to have to do differently at home?

25:15I don't know.

25:16David Jones:David Moyes doesn't know. And he knows a lot more about Everton than me. What I will say is, though, there's a little bit of frustration from Evertonians because they're not winning at home, and you always want to do well, because that's when your home fans are there, most of them are there, I get that. So there's that frustration with the new stadium, because that was the big excitement over the last few years, trying to stay in the Premier League when we get to the new stadium. But also at times, I notice this through friends and family or social media, when Everton lose a game, a lot of focus goes on the manager, as it does with most clubs, and David Moyes gets a little bit of criticism.

25:44David Jones:But how David Moyes has got that squad of players in ninth position, I will never know. I mean they've been on Monday Night Football six times this year I'm very really impressed they do okay they get the job done but how I mean so for me what David Moyes has done since he's come in about 12 months ago maybe a little bit more he's done phenomenal really because this is a team and a club we've been fighting relegation the last few years so I know it's disappointing because they've been so close to sort of making the next step to European places and that frustrates the supporters but please don't don't be pointing the finger at David Moyes as I said that squad should not that squad is not the ninth best squad of players in the Premier League.

26:19Edwin van der Sar:I think they were relegation candidates for the last two, three years. They were really struggling. The team now, the position where they're in, maybe whatever. I think the number 10, he's a really good player. I think he's like a proper striker who can score 12 to 14 goals, I think, for that team. I think that's the thing they're missing. They've got some young players in the two centre-halves, maybe a little bit at the later stage of their career. But yeah, I think they're missing one of the strong forwards who can give you a goal from a set piece or individual action. And as David Moyes well known and pointed out there,£210 million in that strike force that combined for that Manchester United counter-attack resources that Everton just do not have right now.

27:06But they do have a very good goalkeeper, But as do Manchester United. Do either of them, though, make Jamie's Premier League top ten? We will be looking at that next, as well as reflecting on an extraordinary career that the man to my left, Edwin van der Zijde, had as well. But which of these could make the final top ten? Edwin, you're in. I can tell you that.

27:31Edwin van der Sar:Thanks. That's coming next. Evening we lost so often at the Enfield show.

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28:11Edwin van der Sar:That's Pitch to Pod with Jordan and Nikita from Sky Sports. Welcome back to the Sky Sports Premier League podcast. Let's get back to the studio for more reaction to today's game. Still to come on Monday Night Football, the top 10 Premier League goalkeepers of all time. And we're joined by one of them this evening as our special guest, Edwin van der Zhaar, who just had the most extraordinary career, which spanned 20 years. And I want to pick out particularly the four Eredivisie titles, four Premier League titles, but the line above there, Champions League winner with two different clubs, Ajax in 1995, and Manchester United in 2008.

28:57They were two of five Champions League finals that Edwin van der Zahar actually played in, which is pretty extraordinary. And I want to take you, Edwin, straight to that Ajax 1995 team. So set the scene for us. This is only your second season as a goalkeeper for Ajax.

29:18Edwin van der Sar:Yeah, 23. As a senior goalkeeper. I was 23 when I came into the team 24 when we played the Champions League final against Milan, we beat Milan already twice in the group stage. The third time lucky we had to play the final, especially for Frank Reichardt. He had a tremendous career, won three Champions League titles with Milan. So to play that final and play against Milan was really special. The game on sich was not great, I had a few saves. and I think Petr Kluivert scored in the 88th minute and from that moment on the sheer excitement you feel, is this really going to happen, is this really true?

30:02Edwin van der Sar:And when the referee blew the whistle then, bam.

30:05David Jones:Listen, somebody wins the Champions League every year but there are certain teams that I think are remembered very fondly. and I think that Ajax team of 95 and the following season when you got the final again in 96 I think you're used to Juventus but the reason it's so special for me I was probably 16, 17 watching this team the amount of young players in the team but also it's what I would call a typical Ajax system no one else seems to play that maybe an Ajax or a Barstow 3-4-3 and young players it almost seems like that's the real ethos of Ajax

30:40Edwin van der Sar:Yeah, it felt really as the academy players with Reisiger, Frank de Boer, Rijkaard before Seedorf, Edgar Davies, Ronald de Boer. So we had five or six coming from the academy into a Champions League final. And it felt like friends, felt like we were doing together. We had a fantastic coach, Louis van Gaal. He was technically brilliant for us, explained a lot. And with the experience of Danny Blind at the back, Frank Rijkaard, they played or with the two at the back or sometimes Rijkaard went to the midfield to make sure that Lidmane could go forward. We could play with that to win the team and have the excitement and have the celebration in Amsterdam on the canals with a boat.

31:20Edwin van der Sar:It was just fantastic. Fantastic. And it made you a man in demand. In 1999, you got your move to Juventus and then to Fulham, coming back into the Premier League for the first time. And after four seasons there, Manchester United, where you experienced yet more glory, winning four league titles and another Champions League title as well. And that is the team that won it against Chelsea in the rain. And you, of course, made a huge save in a penalty shootout as well, which must have capped it off for you. True. To play against an English team in the Champions League final feels a bit strange because the charm of European football is playing teams that you don't really know.

32:03Edwin van der Sar:I think Chelsea, Maynard, we knew each other that well. So on that part, going into extra time, going to penalties. I lost in 1996 against Juventus. We lost it on penalties. So I thought this is not going to happen again. So the moment when Anelka stepped up, I went to the right, the ball went to my side, it hit your fist. That moment, those three, four seconds was electric for myself. And every time you talk about it, you get goosebumps. And I was just the last two days in London. and the amount of people that come up to you. And wow, Edwin, can I shake your hand? Wow, man, you gave whatever, you gave me the best night of my life.

32:42Edwin van der Sar:And that is not only in London, but that's in Asia, that's in Africa, everywhere. So that's made my career. My career was already fine. And this was, of course, the cherry on the cake.

32:56David Jones:Listen, Manchester United got an unbelievable history, but people talk about this team and over the next couple of years when you get to another couple of Champions League finals, has almost been the greatest team in Manchester United's history. What are the big differences between that team and the Ajax team?

33:15Edwin van der Sar:Good question, Jamie. These are players who are, most of the time, if they come to Maynard or through the academy or Ferguson and Bodham, they stay in Maynard. I think the only one, Tevez and Ronaldo, let's say they moved on to different clubs. So it's easier for a club like Man United to establish them for a longer period. At Ajax, every two years, three years, you have a new team. You lose your best four players every year. So this team with Scholes, Wayne, Ferdinand, Gary Neville, was also a big part of that team and everything. So in that way, they are more adjusted to playing with each other.

33:56Edwin van der Sar:and yeah the level that we reached in those four years to play three three finals we lost another two from Barcelona who were like also excellent at that time with Messi and that was exactly and also I remember the game in Rome they're not playing with a number nine we had Vidić and Rio and they didn't normally like have a striker where you had to play against and they were going to the midfield and Henry was coming in Eto 'o so it was a complete new system with Guardiola introduced and beat us We've set you a challenge as well, because as you point out quite rightly, and Jamie says, the two very different teams that you played for there, but two incredible teams also part of the Juventus side and a Dutch side that was of great repute as well.

34:38So it's quite hard for you, I would imagine, to find the best teammates that you've ever played with. But that is a challenge we've set, Edwin, and we put you in goal. Take that.

34:48Edwin van der Sar:I've never, yeah, of course, not really played with the goalkeeper. So Jamie made me play with Peperina and Dudek and Westerveld. So it's quite difficult. So I'm not somebody who pat on the back, but you guys, you said, okay, you're in goal. So let's have a look at the back four, Edwin, that you've gone for. Here we go. Yeah, I think on the right, it's Chiro Ferrara, played with him at Juventus. Maybe it was more like a central half, but great attitude, fantastic, fantastic warrior. I think he deserved to be in that team. with Rio. Great connection together with Nemanja. That triangle was fantastic.

35:25Edwin van der Sar:I think Rio was there when I came. Nemanja came in the winter break, half a year later. That connection we had with each other, we knew we could read and write with each other without any problems. That was a big part of the success. Why does Frank de Boer get the preference? Because he's a good friend, a good player. You can put it in a different way. I could have put Patrice there, but I think Frank de Boer is quite clever, not the quickest, knew exactly what he did, great pass. If you remember the pass that Bergkamp, the goal that Bergkamp scored against Argentina. So he helped a lot of plays.

36:04Edwin van der Sar:He left Mark Overmars. He came in the ball, went over the top. So he was a tremendous defender and a great tactician. Some amazing options in midfield as well, Edmund. It's quite nice. That was really hard to make a midfield out of just three players. It looks like you've picked the best one, perhaps, from the three huge clubs that you played for. Manchester United. I think Frank Reichardt. Tremendous career. I think three Champions Leagues that he won. Zidane played Juventus two years with him. If you threw him a ball, the control that he had, the pace that he could generate. Also, his attitude, just calm.

36:44Edwin van der Sar:nothing too flashy just a general nice guy and Scholze at United I played six years with him I think everybody speaks quite highly of him he's more in the media now than he was when he was a player he never really spoke a lot at that time but the way he scored the goals the way he sprayed the passes from the left to the right so he he deserved to be there yes and again great options for your forward three that you've gone for Let's have a look at them. It's not Dennis Bergkamp's ideal position. I think he plays maybe more from the 10, maybe behind. I'm not really sure how he played with Henry at Arsenal.

37:26Edwin van der Sar:But to have him there, I don't think he ever scored an ugly goal. No. I think all his goals, like every, I don't know, 300 that he made, 275 are nice goals, great goals.

37:38David Jones:He's one of the greatest players ever played in the Premier League, isn't he, Dennis Bergkamp? That's the team that is, Jamie, isn't it? Wow.

37:46Edwin van der Sar:Gixey, I think he was 40 when he stopped playing for United, 13 league titles. How many did you win, Jamie?

37:57Edwin van der Sar:And Cristiano there. I think maybe he was not on his peak yet. I think that really happened at Real Madrid. But you saw the ingredients that he had, the pace, the eagerness, the will to train. and he was first in and last out. He took care of his body, not like the young players going out or drinking. He was always focused on becoming the best player in the world. I think that goes into the top 10 of our all-time best 11s. I think so. Decent? Yeah, I think that's decent. Very good. But now your decision-making is done for the night, but what you can do is guide Jamie because now Jamie is going to be on the spot as we get stuck into the top 10 Premier League goalkeepers of all time.

38:39So we created a long list and this has been some days in fruition. And this is the list we've come up with and loads of different factors have come into this. We've looked at some stats, we've looked at title winners, we've looked at PFA teams of the year. Jamie, what else are we considering here when we think about this?

38:59David Jones:For me, I think goalkeepers, we've done it tonight in terms of talking about Rhea and Donnarumma. I think goalkeepers playing for the biggest clubs in the biggest games. You know, high pressure moments for me is a big thing. You've just mentioned PFA Team of the Year. And for me, a clean sheet percentage comes into it. But does it not depend on how good your team is in front of you, as Edwin was talking about earlier? Well, that may be explaining who I've gone for for number 10. Ah, right, OK. So straight in at number 10, Pepe Reiner of Liverpool. So I've gone for Pepe Reiner. Doesn't probably have the trophies or maybe too many PFA team of the years, but he has got the best clean sheet percentage in Premier League history.

39:44David Jones:Does he? Yeah. Yes. Was that due to him or the people in front of him?

39:49Edwin van der Sar:Exactly.

39:49David Jones:Exactly. So, listen, he was a fantastic goalkeeper, best goalkeeper I played with. So for the fact, as I said, he's number one in terms of keeping clean sheets in terms of Premier League history, I go with Pepe Reina. Here is the evidence, Jamie, of what you're talking about. Best clean sheet ratio in Premier League history, 45.8%.

40:11Edwin van der Sar:Who else is up there? Maybe, whatever. This includes also my games at Fulham, of course.

40:16David Jones:And Pepe's at Aston Villa. OK. How long did he play there? Yeah, you're OK. How long did he play at Aston Villa? Pepe. Yeah? Not as long as you played at Fulham. Can I ask a question on Joe Hart? I'm not sure. I don't think he makes your top 10. Is that right? Despite the fact that he's had a clean sheet ratio. Joe Hart and Emi Martinez, along with Pepe Reina, and I would probably say David Seaman. I was just thinking what to do and I kept cheering. I almost picked between David Seaman and Joe Hart, you know, the England goalkeeper. Yeah, and I went for David Seaman in number nine spot. And Emi Martinez, yes, he will cut when I get that.

40:55David Jones:but he's not going for the biggest trophies in terms of club football. You know, he's playing for Aston Villa. Yeah, so he missed out there. So the only Englishman on your list? I think so, yeah. So no Jordan Pickford there either. So David Seaman is the best English goalkeeper that you've seen in the Premier League ever. Yeah, I would say so, yeah. Listen, I had a brilliant career at Arsenal, what he did for England as well. And there was a big decision made at Arsenal in terms of John Lukic and then bringing David Seaman in. John Lukic was a fan's favourite, won the famous title at Anfield, but George Graham brought him in because he knew he was a better goalkeeper.

41:29David Jones:And the defensive record with him and that famous back four was absolutely outstanding. So, yes, David Seaman goes in. Do you have a view on that, Edwin?

41:36Edwin van der Sar:Maybe a little bit before my time, but in terms of the only English goalkeeper in the top 10?

41:45Edwin van der Sar:Yeah, probably whatever, the influx of foreigners. And of course, yeah, I'm a foreigner. I've played 10 years in the Premier League. So there are a lot of foreign players in the Premier League and sometimes they get maybe the better positions, the strikers, how many good, great English strikers you have. David James, he played also a long time at Liverpool, but I think there are some hiccups along his career. I can't really name one other one.

42:09David Jones:So you agree with that one? OK. Everton fans are not going to be happy that Jordan Pickford is not in your top 10, but they might be appeased slightly by your decision at number eight. I've gone for Neville Southall. The reason he's coming in because, for me, in the 80s and the First Division, before the Premier League, he was the best goalkeeper in the world. So if we were judging all these goalkeepers on just their career, Neville Southall would be in my top two or three. And still, I would say, in the Premier League era, at the start of it, he was fantastic. He was man of the match in the FA Cup final in 1995, when at the opposite end was Peter Schmeichel.

42:48David Jones:and what I would say there might be still a few Evertonians watching as we've seen tonight the stadium Everton have got is fantastic okay the one thing that is missing from there is a statue for Neville Southall and the reason I say that is because I think in Everton's history they've probably had four world class players genuinely world class will go into a world 11 Dixie Dean would have been one I would imagine in the 20s but England's 1966 World Cup winning team the left back was Ray Wilson, who played for Everton. And in Allen Ball, played in that team as well. He is Everton's greatest ever player, Allen Ball.

43:24David Jones:And in Everton's greatest ever team in the mid-80s, he was the one player in that team who could have gone into a World XI, for me, for four or five years, from 1985 to 1990. So that's why Neville Southall goes in.

43:37Edwin van der Sar:I remember that team, I think they played European football against Fortuna Siddharth, a team from Holland. Yes, in 1985, yeah. So I remember Neville Southall playing for Wales. Pat van der Hauwe, I think, played also for Everton at that time. So I agree with this one. Oh, he's going in. I had a thought about it also. And if it wasn't just Premier League, it would be a lot higher. I think I played against him, actually. My only one in the soccer league. Right, number seven, you've got someone who's probably distribution marks him out as the best that we've seen in the Premier League.

44:09David Jones:Yes, more Premier League titles than any other keeper. Six titles. as a goalkeeper fantastic still but obviously there's people better but I actually think what he did for Manchester City he was almost like a cheat code you know you're talking about getting after Manchester City they want to play from the back you couldn't because of this 1v1 on the last line I mean it's just ridiculous was he quite transformative Edwin in terms of the way that goalkeepers shifted the ball

44:37Edwin van der Sar:no I think he was 7 maybe when he started playing and then that time the goalkeepers couldn't pick up the ball anymore so he started this from a young age but even this pass is no effort it doesn't look like it's like effortless how he puts the ball away and the distance that he creates but it's not just like it's just like properly straight flat yeah flat and look where it comes and i think whatever he has six or seven assists seven assists in the premier league but as you said the movement is so uncomfortable on the ball and that helps whatever from the pressure to come out play out of the pressure of the opposing team.

45:12Edwin van der Sar:Here we go. Don't give him that chance.

45:16David Jones:Yeah. These are passes. These are not long balls up to the striker. I actually think he could have played out. I think his left foot was that good. I think he could have done a job at centre-back. Honestly, in a certain game now and again for Manchester City, this pass was absolutely wonderful.

45:35Edwin van der Sar:Again, also nice how his own players react to it, not only to the goalscorer but also the guy who gives the assist and make big saves as well we shouldn't forget no listen

45:43David Jones:it was a really good goal there's no doubt about that but listen what he did for Manchester City in those years was absolutely out of this world Edwin there's some good news you're still in the mix here you could be number one that's the good news the bad news is you're not

45:56Edwin van der Sar:I thought I made the top five whatever Jamie come on

46:00David Jones:number six you were in the top five until you mentioned I hadn't won the Premier League so we just knocked you down I wanted to you know what I mean but listen Edwin what you did at Manchester United was absolutely fantastic and I apologise if you feel you should be hired but I think Gary Neville said it better than me before the game when you said about you came in and Manchester United started winning titles again and getting to Champions League finals and obviously winning one as well and a real calm influence kept it out was it?

46:33Edwin van der Sar:you're going against Fulham was this Did the Manchester United move surprise you when it came? Because as you said, you had four years at Fulham before this. Yeah, no. I came for Juventus at that time and I signed for Fulham. There were two other big clubs interested, but I wanted to play. And I thought I'd play one year, two years, and then I can make a move to Arsenal or Chelsea or something like that. But it took a while and it took four years. and surprised me a little bit at the certain point that they came. And of course, I was delighted, 34 to sign for United. I expected maybe to play for two years.

47:15Edwin van der Sar:And yeah, I ended up playing six. Micah.

47:17David Jones:Micah Richards. Micah Richards, yeah.

47:19Edwin van der Sar:I'm surprised as well. This was an important save. This was the day before winning the first title, Premier League title, in 2006. The last match, penultimate match, this was winning 1-0 against City and saving this one. So that felt as, oh, Gabriel Hansen.

47:39David Jones:And you told me how close you came to signing Liverpool earlier on as well. So that would have... Maybe I would have won that league title then. I could have. So let's have a look at our top five then. Edwin van der Zaren is number six. Jamie, I don't think you were debating so much around who was in the top five. It's just the positioning of those top five. So Thibaut Courtois. You're thinking of the Chelsea version. Yeah, I mean, listen, he wasn't in England so long. But for me, longevity, as long as someone's been in a couple of years and made a real impact. And when you think about how important goalkeepers were, that we said, when you get a top goalkeeper, you win the league.

48:15David Jones:We think of Chelsea as being a dominant team in the Premier League and winning Premier Leagues. They've only won it with Cech and Courtois, who are, I think, two absolute legendary goalkeepers. And maybe he could be hired if he were judging the goalkeepers on the whole career. I mean, for me, he's maybe been the best goalkeeper in the world for the last three or four years, what he's done at Real Madrid, what he did at Atletico Madrid as well before that. And as I said, as soon as he went into goal for Chelsea, they went back to winning league titles. How do you see him? What's your verdict on Courtois?

48:44Edwin van der Sar:I don't really have the image as a Chelsea golfer. I know he was on loan coming from Madrid. He had three seasons there, yeah. From Atletico, I think. I think maybe one or two seasons. Two seasons that he played? We'll find out. Yeah, OK. I thought it was only maybe one season. Four seasons, two Premier League titles. four seasons

49:02David Jones:two Premier League titles

49:03Edwin van der Sar:okay that's that's decent enough to be in the list Jamie Jamie's got the same thing with Angel A

49:11but would you say that Jamie said he was the best best in the world for the last three years

49:17Edwin van der Sar:I think for the last couple of years he did a really really great job for Madrid he's making great saves and it's important he was already tall and big but he rose in posture and these kind of saves yeah that's what we talked about a little bit the height of goalkeepers, certain reach of goalkeepers. So he was, I think like Sander Lamans, I think maybe a little bit similar. The upbringing.

49:46Edwin van der Sar:Cool collective.

49:47David Jones:Yeah, I think if we were judging on his whole career, I think I'd maybe put him a little bit higher, but just not Jonas Chelsea, I think he was absolutely fantastic and that's where he finds himself. Okay, let's move into the top four. This is getting interesting now. Our number four is David De Gea, another Manchester United goalkeeper. Now, David De Gea doesn't have the trophies. Now, I said that was important in terms of Premier Leagues and Champions Leagues. But what he has is this, which for me, when your peers rate you as sort of the best goalkeeper five times in a PFA team of the year, Edwin, three times, but five is pretty remarkable.

50:25David Jones:Nigel Martin in there three times? Yeah. Alisson only once. Wow.

50:33Edwin van der Sar:I always liked Brett Friedel. Yeah, he was a great goalkeeper. Really good goalkeeper. Long arms and everything. Was it Tottenham, Aston Villa? Yeah. I always liked Brett as a goalkeeper.

50:47David Jones:But I think for a few years, Davide, did he get Manchester United's player of the year? Something like four years in a row? Which doesn't say a lot. Five, yeah. It doesn't say a lot for the actual players in front.

50:55Edwin van der Sar:It's something wrong that the goalkeeper wins it four or five times. But a tremendous save. He had fantastic reflexes. But he came famous with saves with the feet, didn't he, Adrian? Yeah. David is more like a goalkeeper on the line and everything. And the only thing that I say, the saves that he made was fantastic, but he was not really commanding the 18-yard box. He was glad. I think later on, we'll see his save. Would that be a coaching thing as a youngster, or would that be his own technique? I think a youngster, I think he was 18, 19, was maybe 19 when he came to Manchester following in my footsteps you see his feet come really close and separate is that a technique?

51:35Edwin van der Sar:in my view they're a little bit wide I always like to have them a little bit more same height as my shoulder he's a little bit wide so he can't really move that much so maybe that's why he had to use his feet instead of his arms

51:47David Jones:I still can't believe they're safe

51:52this one's amazing because actually when you have a closer look at it he doesn't actually plant this foot it's all part of one movement

52:01Edwin van der Sar:I think he's one of the better first touches ever on his weak foot supposedly yeah look this is what we talked about at the beginning of the show to create more

52:14David Jones:I actually think he gave the best performance I've seen in the Premier League from a goalkeeper I think it was a way at Arsenal for Manchester United I think they saved 4 or 5 on the XG prevented it was just a remarkable sort of three or four years at Manchester United, but I just felt like he was keeping them in games every single week. So who's in the top three? Might it be another Manchester United goalkeeper? No, it's Liverpool making a high entry at number three. And deservedly so. Yeah, he is.

52:43Edwin van der Sar:You're prepared and everything, but I think he's a great goalkeeper. Won the lot with Liverpool. It doesn't happen often with the goalkeepers there.

52:52David Jones:He's changed the history of the football club. You think of the sign and Salah at one end and then Van Dijk behind, but him as a goalkeeper. One of those you were thinking about earlier, Jamie, we were talking about that crucial piece of the jigsaw that takes the team over the line. Liverpool could not win the league with the goalkeepers they had before this guy. He makes the difference. And this is going to be a really sad day when he moves on. I think for a couple of years he was, for me, the best goalkeeper in the world. Absolutely outstanding with his feet. The real thing that stands out for him, as we're seeing it, is 1v1.

53:22David Jones:I've never seen a goalkeeper as good as him. we spoke in the past about this being a real strength of Peter Schmeichel's I almost think he's taking it on a level it's not just about making himself big this thing where he sort of waits and then he just as the attacker pulls his head up to go and finish he's on top of them and his performance a few years ago in Paris Saint-Germain was one of the greatest goalkeeper performance you will probably see I think no it was actually last year only last year great picture

53:47Edwin van der Sar:and I think also it's a general down to earth guy yes I think I only met him once or twice at the award ceremony I worked with him and everything and was a tremendous person. So you probably know better from this time at Liverpool. But he's a general goalkeeper, yeah. Yeah, real humility, Alisson. Now, you might have worked out that there are two that we haven't mentioned very much and they are the top two, talking about Peter Schmeichel and Petr Cech. And Jamie has been back and forward on these for the last 72 hours, I would say, on WhatsApp. So we've tried to help you a little bit, Jamie, and break it down with some key information.

54:25What stands out then? Well, Schmeichel has won five titles to Cech's four, but Cech's won more major trophies, been PFA Team of the Year more, more Golden Gloves, more times have been voted the best in Europe as well. So where are you going on this? Because everyone talks about Schmeichel as being the number one.

54:44David Jones:I can't believe that number. I find it remarkable. And Petr Cech as well. I just cannot believe that. Because I think everybody watching tonight will have different opinions. I think most people would probably say these two are the top two. Certainly they would always be in someone's top three. I'm just baffled by the PFA team.

55:07Edwin van der Sar:Which kind of other goalkeepers were there at that time? Who played that? Nijsson Martin won it three times in that year? Yeah. He hasn't made Jamie's top ten.

55:15David Jones:I mean, Golden Glove, you'd expect that top goal clear. But the best European award as well is probably something to look at. So best European or probably world gold. Seen as the best goalkeeper in the world three times. And Petr Cech four times. I've been listening to the chart show for the last 40 odd years, Jamie. And there's always a bit of a drum roll when you go, and number two is. Okay. Then you know who number one is. Oh, is that how it works? So number two is. Here we go. drum roll can I hear the drum

55:50it's a big reveal Schmeichel at two Petr Cech is Jamie's number one let's do Schmeichel then let's talk about Peter Schmeichel because becoming second on this list is no mean feat in itself

56:03David Jones:no but I think listen I think a lot of people would have him number one and to be honest I have been debating this all day and I might be working with him in the next couple of days as well so I might have to make an apology but for me he almost changed goalkeeping and I think he changed the history of Manchester United people always talk about Cantona and rightly so he was as important if not more Adrian what was different about him as a goalkeeper?

56:24Edwin van der Sar:I think what he really did was like he was the first goalkeeper that really spread himself I think there are a couple of images that he came out and really spread himself completely and of course he's a big guy He has a different attitude than myself. He always was angry, shouting a lot at the defenders and making it to pump himself a little bit more. But the way that he... He was a great save. Is that arguably what Manchester United actually needed at that time? Because they weren't winning before Schmeichel. Yeah, of course. You had, let's say, the David Beckham guys coming through with Neville and Gixey and Bud.

57:06Edwin van der Sar:So he was there. I think you had Steve Bruce, Roy Keane of course, and Nicole. So he had a backbone and the young players were allowed in and that created the atmosphere and a winning mentality. And I think his desire, his attitude on the pitch, on the training ground probably stood out and helped the club a lot to win a couple of Premier League titles. And of course for himself also the 99 Champions League. Of course, his moment.

57:33David Jones:Do you want me to tell you the reason why I went for Petr Cech? I was about to ask. Go on, go and ask me then. Why did you go for Petr Cech? Well, you couldn't split them on the stats. Everything was almost identical. The reason I did was I couldn't get Petr Cech's performance out of my head in the Champions League final against Bayern Munich. I was in the stadium that night and he kept, I know Drogba gets the glory and rightly so, he gets the equaliser and he takes the penalty. He kept them in that game. and won them that game. And the second reason was maybe because I played against them so much.

58:12David Jones:And you used to go into games and you'd be thinking, how are we going to score past him? Not just him, but that back four was absolutely amazing with John Terry, Cavallo. Gary Gallas, whatever, Cavallo. They've got the Premier League. Ashley Cole. Yes, they've got the Premier League record in terms of goals conceded. But we played so often and I was thinking, how come we score past them? It just felt like that. and he was just an outstanding goalkeeper and again Chelsea were a really good team spent lots of money but they didn't start winning titles the same with Schmeichel the same with Edwin van der Sarthe and the same with a lot of goalkeepers on this list until he came in to the club and that's when they began to win

58:53Edwin van der Sar:Even the years at Arsenal I think was he like how long did he play at Arsenal? I think that was just really at the end of his career

59:01David Jones:I think he did a lot longer at Chelsea than I thought actually when I looked at the stats was it 10 years at Chelsea? I think it was 10 years at Chelsea

59:09Edwin van der Sar:but I got a good connection with Petr absolutely he also was in management at Chelsea for a while did you admire his goalkeeping then? yes every save you make it's important it doesn't really matter if you do it with your hands with your feet maybe on the footballing side he was maybe a little bit different style but of course he was tremendous in that time and what Jamie explained, if you went to Stamford Bridge, if they came in towards Old Trafford, it was quite difficult to beat that Chelsea team that needed a really lot of courage, desire and mentality to try to score against that four. And of course, went on to be an ice hockey goalkeeper as well.

59:49That was a big love of Petr Cechs. He loved having balls fired at him and pucks fired at him. I think he's still playing. Yeah. So your top 10, are you happy, Jamie, with that? I mean, is there anyone else that you would have loved to have thrown in there that you thought would maybe merit it?

1:00:04David Jones:The two have mentioned probably Joe Hart. You know, listen, he won Premier League titles. He's got a really long England career as well. And maybe Ebi Martinez is a World Cup winner. And he's won, I think, the World Goalkeeper of the Year. Now, not quite in my eyes. I think he's a level below the absolute elite goalkeeper, Ebi Martinez. And the fact he plays for Aston Villa, I know that's going to obsess Aston Villa fans. But I'm talking about that pressure of playing, you know, Champions League semifinals and finals. and I know he's played the World Cup, I get it, but in terms of club level and doing it season after season, that's why he's missed out.

1:00:37Edwin, we talked earlier about Donnarumma and David Ryab for Manchester City and Arsenal. They're just two examples of those who are playing with those big clubs right now, but is there anyone else that you think, could they force their way into this conversation, do you think, in a year or two's time or anybody else that's currently playing in the Premier League?

1:00:56Edwin van der Sar:Difficult one. I presume Jamie's an expert. every Monday he's here, sees all the games. So if Jamie is... I know this is from the last 20 years. 30 more. 30 years. I can't really name one now.

1:01:12David Jones:What would you say in terms of, you know, the top goalkeepers there? Who would you see as... Not someone you would look up to, I wouldn't say that. Of course I could. Is there one goalkeeper on this list?

1:01:26Edwin van der Sar:Whatever, these are similarities, whatever, with Michael and myself. In Belgium and Holland, Courtois. I met his father also. We got mentioned also. Blanky, thin, tall players. We spoke about Ederson, about the distribution. It's incredible. Seaman, longevity with Arsenal. Also with that back four there with Arsene Wenger. I can't really name anyone. So you're happy with that list? You're going to sign that one off, Edwin? Yeah, I'm happy. It's late also. I've been here for seven hours, so it's about time to go home.

1:02:03David Jones:I've been here for 12. Preparing that list so that you wouldn't critique it too much, but he's done a good job. Well done, Jamie. That's the top ten. I'm sure there'll be lots of conversation online about that, and I look forward to reading all the abuse that comes Jamie's way. Yeah, bring it on. As ever. Right, what have we got for you? What a great start to the Super 8s for England. Now the take on Pakistan. One o 'clock tomorrow. Sky Sports Cricket and up next on Sky Sports Premier League Big Sam's Bolton special film that's coming next Thank you so much Edwin it's been a great sport tonight we've really enjoyed your company and adding your expertise around goalkeepers to our programme and don't forget what we said about the Everton Stadium Everton Neville Southall deserves a statue there's plenty of space around this stadium him.

1:02:58David Jones:He does. He does his ear, Bob. Watch this space. Watch those spaces. It could well happen. The statue's coming, Neville. It hasn't been Everton's night. It's been another really good night for Manchester United under Michael Carrick. Bye from us.

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