Martinelli cancels out Haaland goal in stoppage time to salvage point for the Gunners against City

21:24up what happened on the Monday after the weekend before. So make sure you give us a follow. Just search for Sky Sports Golf wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to the Sky Sports Premier League podcast. Let's get back to the studio for more reaction to today's game. Manchester City come away from the Emirates with a point but they thought it was going to be three right up until the very end. Let's hear what Pep Guardiola thinks. He's with Pat. Pep, your analysis of the 90 minutes and your team's performance? At Tav, we cannot make an analysis without what happened this week. We play at Tav Games United and Champions League on Thursday, now today, and the team is so powerful in all the aspects.

22:14It just heads off to the team, how the resilience of course is so difficult where you're not effective in high pressing and you're not effective in the build-up, it's always so tough and difficult to do it. We made some transitions, I think the result is fair, it's a little bit, we were close in the five of the results, but I think in general, Arsenal was better. But the team was there and we had better results than last season, I would say. We had for that time. Is the most pleasing thing for you the togetherness your team has shown today? That's something you've been looking for and looking at in the early weeks of the season?

23:00Absolutely, since United, when the transfer window finished and everybody knows that we'll be here for a long time. Of course it has been.

23:12The togetherness in the three games has been top, top, of course, in the way we play today. It's so demanding for them. They are so aggressive. In the long balls, they are so really, really, really good. They have everything. We defend incredible well the corners like they are masters. We take that point. Of course, we have to improve, but after five games in the Premier League, it's where it is. I think you said you weren't effective in your high pressing. Why was that? They were better, and we were incredible tired. So sometimes the people don't realise the game against the Champions League was so emotional.

23:51And after that recovery day, they asked you how to wait four or five hours, because maybe you don't know, you live in London, you have that privilege, but the people who live in the North-East, so we have four or five hours to arrive in London. And it's more fatigue and everything. And the team, they fought the last two Premier Leagues to win it, and the right semi-final Champions League and not just Man City invest money, they did it as well and it's so tough. I could not expect differently but we were there. We talk about you have to be so strong in terms of mentality, we have done it. So in the end, I know you said before the game, schedule's not an issue.

24:32In the end, the schedule was an issue for you today.

24:37It's a fair question, no? You are the journalist, my friend. You understand my process and what happened. Don't understand me. Ten years we are together. Honestly, so, of course, the mindset has to be strong, but we have a lot of fatigue with the same players. We have, you know, how many injuries. John came back for the injury for the national team for a long time. We have Cherokee, we have Rai Nuri, we have... Nathan had been out as well more of the time, so we have to put a lot of players maybe forget But at the rhythm, Cusano was injured with this kind of position, with the pace that he has, we don't have it.

25:13So many things can happen. But if you want to bring it to the fact that no one is complaining for the schedule, that's OK. I'm complaining for the schedule. Are you satisfied? No. OK. Wait, wait, wait. Sorry, I thought you were going. Today, going to the five at the back, taking off Foden, taking off Haaland, are those decisions that you make because of the schedule, because your team's incredibly tired? or is that a sign of a different city? It does feel like it's a slightly different approach this season, playing more on the counter-attack. We'll try to not be like this. We'll try to not be like this.

25:47But when the opponent is better and we defend deeper and we have Erling or Titian or other, we can use the counter-attack, yes. But our intention is not like this. After 10 years here, I think sometimes the opponent is good. Sometimes during 10 years when we won the leagues and other titles, always we make action. You remember Leroy and Rahim? I do. You remember how many contract acts we did with Kevin? You remember? Yeah, with the quality. I would have preferred to do it, but you cannot expect in this level to do it. It's impossible. So that's why I take a point, and it depends on the game. You have to try to adjust players and do it as best as possible.

26:29Thank you.

26:33Well, there's quite a bit to unpack there. Yeah. He's saying essentially Pep Guardiola that the City players are, there's some level of fatigue from the game being played on Thursday night against Napoli in the Champions League. He's saying that there is also not necessarily complaining about the schedule. That's absolutely what he did not want to say. But he's saying that that may well be one of the factors. He's also talking about their approach in this game, which I thought was interesting because although he's right in that they have counterattacked beforehand. certainly with the players that he mentioned, this looked like a different kind of city and it's been evolving in that direction.

27:10Yeah, I think it was a different type of city and the possession stats tell you that. When you come to the game today, for as good as Arsenal have been or started this season, you expect Man City to dominate the ball. In the second half, you changed that, went to a 5-4-1 and went for more a transition-based football, which we're not seen, you know, or not used to seeing with Man City. but I understand what it means in terms of Arsenal were the better team today. They dominated the ball. They just couldn't do what they needed to do in the final third. And he adapted. How many times have we been on Saturday and Sunday or Super Sunday and saying that managers need to adapt?

27:50That's not Pep's style of play. That's Mourinho's style of play, isn't it? Or Allardyce's style of play. Everything comes back into fashion eventually. No, but it can be effective. As we saw, it was just that one moment of not concentrating that got caught out. But in terms of the schedule, I mean, there's players on the bench that Man City could have played today. They've gone with the same team as they did, obviously because they were playing well. In the derby, they did really well. Against Napoli, it was a tiring game because they've sat really in the low block and Man City had to try and unpick that.

28:26And then today, Arsenal just had too much energy for them. So he adapted to the game that it was today. The back five or defended deep was a success to a certain extent except for the Colts because Arsenal didn't create anything but lots almost 90 % of teams play like that when they'll play against an Arsenal away from home but they had no counter-attack I know the goal comes from the counter-attack in the first half but there was nothing in the second half where they really created any so there's no problem playing like that but there was so much pressure on that back five or Manchester City defensively because they never got a breather at all I mean, probably, you know, we're talking about it a bit strange bringing Aylen Haaland off because he's the one who's got the goal first half.

29:06But Docher was fantastic and he wanted another midfield player on. Again, that's not Pep's way of doing things. But the thing that will disappoint when we were saying it in here, we've never seen a Man City so poor on the ball and causing the opposition problems, even on that counter-attack. So is the focus then, if we're focusing on the wrong thing, if we're focusing on Manchester City defending deep, being in the low block, Should we be focusing on that? What Jamie's saying is effectively sloppiness. Yeah, yeah, we felt that. But I still think there's been signs City have obviously improved certainly over the last few weeks.

29:37And they had obviously a big result beating United, then beating Napoli. But you're talking about fatigue and the challenges of trying to win league titles. But that is part of the challenge in playing football matches or players going to the extra bit, which City have done over the years. So I'm surprised where Pep, if you're talking about fatigue and schedules, we're in September. and they're on the back of two home matches and the United game, they were fairly comfortable beating United eventually. Napoli had a man sent off after 20 minutes. They've played two home matches. They've not travelled from Russia or Poland when you've had a tough away game.

30:06Or the North East. Yeah, he actually lives in the North West. Pep forgot that for a second. But they've come down to London. All right, you two both say it in Spanish then. So I just think if Pep's getting that message out in September about the matches, but we all know the challenges of being a footballer is being robust and playing two or three games a week. And we look at their players on the bench there I'm sure there must be other managers in the Premiership looking at Pep thinking, Pep, if you think you've got problems with schedules and the strength and depth, my goodness. So I kind of didn't like that angle Pep was coming from.

30:36The whole point of sitting deeper and trying to play on the counter, that is fine. I love teams doing that, but the problem is City didn't have that get out. They didn't have that swagger that they had a number of years ago. And he mentioned players like De Bruyne. Of course, they haven't got that quality this moment in time. But I still think City, both teams will come away with something. City did show a bit of fighting spirit. They dug at it. In another minute or two, they would have got the job done. And then you give Arsenal credit because they're stuck at it and they persevered. And they showed real quality.

31:02So we were lucky to see two brilliant goals, really. Brilliant goals. Counter-attack and then the ball over the top. So I think both managers would be fairly pleased. But I'm not really having Pep talking about fatigue and the schedules we're into September. And again, on the back of two home matches and they've travelled on to London. You know, Pep's a big boy. I'm sure they can deal with that. We'll also be focusing on how much of the way that he set up was a response to what he saw as a threat from Arsenal. We'll be hearing from Mikel Arteta on that.

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32:11Arsenal rescued a point right at the death against Manchester City. Gabriel Martinelli with the equaliser in the 93rd minute. Mikel Arteta is with Pat. Well, Mikel, you threw the kitchen sink at them, piled the attacking players onto the pitch. In the end, do you have the sense that you got maybe even the least you deserved? Well, I'm very proud of the team, I must say. The way we played dominated them and I'm very disappointed with the results. What did you make of the first half? Well, we started incredibly well. So dominant again, we were playing in their half and we didn't allow them to breathe.

32:47But in one action, it was very chaotic because the ball bounces, It's a duel there, we lose it. And suddenly they find themselves in open spaces and they are lethal there. And they finish the action with the quality that they have. After that we had five shaky minutes that we had to reset mentally because it was so unfair to concede that goal with what we were doing. And after that we just completely dominated the game again. Do you have the sense that it was an unstoppable goal? I mean, think back to the Zobosla goal against Liverpool. I mean, it's a different kind of goal. There are always things that we can do better from the beginning, the way we delivered the cross when we had an overload in the back post to the defending organisation after.

33:25We made it a bit easier for them but the speed, the execution, the quality that they have as well, you have to congratulate the opponent. So you obviously changed a couple of players at half-time. Alongside that, what did you say to your team? Let's continue to do a lot of the good things that we are doing, reset mentally because the game is there for the taking and if we will continue to do that and improve two things especially, that we had to do a bit better to give ourselves better chances and more momentum. We were going to score the goals and we were very close to that. What were those things?

33:55That stayed in the dressing room. You talked before the game, in fact you've talked all season long about finishers, having guys who can come on and affect the match. Eszobal, Martinelli for the second time in a week. Is that a really pleasing thing from today? Those guys having the right mentality and obviously the quality to come on and affect the match? The ones that didn't play in Bilbao, like Willy for example and Leo, they get the chance to play and they play at the level that they did. The ones they didn't, Gabi probably the same to play, he didn't. Instead of mourning, he comes with an unbelievable energy to help the team to get a point.

34:28Epps the same. And every player is going to be doing that because we know how difficult and tough it's going to be and we're going to need everybody at the best. I know you said you're disappointed with the result at least. How big a point though might that be? I don't know, but obviously you cannot win it, at least don't lose it. We created an unbelievable moment to score the goal, but the overall feeling, because I know how hard it is to do what we've done on the pitch against Manchester City with that level, with that coach, I wanted more reward for the team. Have you seen them like that? Like they were particularly second half in a 5-4-1, Stones comes on, Aki comes on for Foden, it feels like...

35:09I don't remember seeing City really like that. I think they had 34 % of the ball. Well, I think every team tries to do their best to get the results and that's it. Just tell us a little bit, when you look back and you think back to the second half performance, I know it's easy for guys like me with hindsight, but do you look back and think, I wish the team that played or started the second half and started the first half? As you said, you define it really well. It is easy, Heinz, but why not? Because I don't understand your team in the game as well as you do. So why not? Why not start? I don't have reasons to do that, but it's fine.

35:49We changed it. We made the players and the game that we wanted when that game was required, before it was required a different game. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thanks, Michael. We'll talk about the timing of the substitutions and come back to that point that Pat asked Mikel Arteta about in just a second. But one of the points he made that struck me was that he said, if we create momentum, we will get the goals that we deserve. Did they create a lot of momentum in that game? We looked at how much possession they had. Did they also have momentum, do you think? I think there was a little bit of momentum in the crowd.

36:21But in the final third, I would say no. There was question marks with Trossard starting. I thought it would have went with Eze, although he didn't do well in the Champions League in the week. and then he brings off Marino as well and brings in Saka. Understandably, because he's coming from a hamstring. And I was always against what Jamie used to say is Arsenal just want to play to draw the game when they're playing in the big games. But I just feel like he's got the players, he's got the squad now to go for it a little bit more. And I'm not saying he's negative because you're coming up against Man City who historically have been very good and they dominate the possession and they don't know what game he's going to be, I think Pep's always a step ahead.

37:05Look, he's been his understudies, he's been his assistant, so he knows how Pep thinks and thinks, well, Pep might do something different today. But in terms of what Arsenal have now, they have enough to be competing with the best teams and I still think they've got the handbrake on. If they take it off just a little bit, they'll be more exciting. That momentum that you talked about... They won this fixture 5-1 last season. So that's not a handbrake performance. But that was Man City who weren't at the best. They were going through a difficult spell. We've seen the interview with Bernardo Silva before the game and he said the confidence was low, nothing was right at that period of time.

37:40I just think they have the players to go for it now and if he wants to go for it, it'll give him a better chance of winning this league. Yeah, I just think they wasted 45 minutes. I mean, Man City are a tighter rival right now because of what they've done in the past. But they've had a poor start of the season by their standards. I think most people in this country would say the title would be between Arsenal and Liverpool. And I couldn't see any way coming into this game with how strong I feel. I think Arsenal are a brilliant team. For me, the best squad in the Premier League. And I thought they would not win comfortably.

38:14But I thought they'd just come here and win 2-0 against Manchester City today. And Michel Arteta has got a team and a squad who are that close to being really, really special in terms of winning a Premier League. and maybe even winning the Champions League. I think they're that good. But time after time, when it comes to these big games, he picks a team that feels like he's thinking more about the opposition. And that doesn't mean you can't win the league. Jose Mourinho's won the Premier League three times. He was a little bit like that. But as I said, for me, that was a waste for 45 minutes. And the reason I'm saying that is because I played for managers like that at Liverpool and we were really close.

38:55We were a very top team, but we never won the Premier League. We won a Champions League, got to a Champions League final. We were a great side. But I always felt at times with Gerard Hurie and Rafa Benitez, maybe we had the handbrake on, as Mike has just said. Now when I get in certain games, I look back at situations. And that is what Mikel Arteta is doing. Liverpool, I won't change my mind, were there for the taking in that second half at Anfield. Man City were there for the taking at the start of this game. And he's allowed them to come into the game. And it's just every care and pattern, season after season.

39:29And if you're Mikel Arteta or an Arsenal sport, you've just got to hope that doesn't cost you at the end of the season because they are a brilliant team. They've got a fantastic squad, but the margins are so small. I know you can't read Mikel Arteta's mind, but just give us some insight into a manager's perspective on this. When he knows that Manchester City have played on the Thursday night, that he will, as Pep Guardiola said they did, start to maybe tire, even if it's just mentally towards the end of the game, that they may be that focus that we saw at the end when Arsenal did get their goal, just slips for a split second.

40:01Is there a sense that Arteta was maybe waiting to build into the game? Yeah, well, Jamie mentioned working for managers who are very defensive minded. The few managers I've played under, particularly at club level, I always thought were gamblers, Brian Clough and Alex Ferguson. They were gamblers. They were all about winning and not waiting and not worrying too much about the opposition. Now, people might say, well that's because you always have the best players. No, not every season at Man United and certainly not at Forest. So I felt the managers I walked under were gamblers and they went for it and they got the rewards.

40:30And maybe Arteta is that, maybe defensive minded. We said last year about too many draws. Was it 14 draws? He had 10 of them for winning positions. And then you look at some of his team selection today and he walks with the players and he will know them better than us. But you see people like Eze and then when he comes on, we saw for the quality of the pass. So that's where that gambling, it doesn't mean to say you take silly gambles, but just calculated gambles. If you're bringing players into your club for 50, 60, 70 million who make the difference going forward, then you're asking yourself, it's very hard to have an influence when you're sitting on the bench.

41:01I know we talk about squads. You need your squads, of course. So that would be the impression. When I'm looking at Arteta, yeah, he is very much, I think his mindset is, let's make sure we don't get beaten today. But because of the standards of the other team, and we're talking about Liverpool and Man City over the last few years, that won't be enough. and I'll sit there and I'll praise Arsenal all day I think they have a brilliant squad I think they're consistent in terms of being hard to be brilliant set piece etc but they need more the players must know that the manager and the staff must know that they know that they must look at Liverpool they see Liverpool yesterday going Liverpool keep winning football matches Liverpool aren't all of a sudden going to lose some matches and I thought City if we hear Pep's vibes after the match they have got fatigue well Arsenal should be having that chat going look if City had a tough week there's been emotion from it so make the most of it the first half started here again they'd won two shots on target when you're the home team you have to put them under pressure where City are coming if they are a little bit fatigued after 10 or 15 minutes going oh my god it went for a long day now Arsenal did get the rewards but they got the rewards towards the end of the game because they are going to gamble they are going to chase the game the home teams are going to do that but that's also on City where City didn't have that counter attack you were a big figure at Manchester United the captain of the club and you're saying the two managers you played were always on the front foot or if you were getting managed by a manager who you felt at times was holding you back a bit would you speak to a manager about that?

42:28Would you be driving your team on or question the manager? I'm not sure. I'm not sure because again fortunately the club managers that I worked for I kind of it wasn't necessarily for me to go and do that and I was a young player particularly with Brian Clough but what I did I don't know Jamie it's a good point I think sometimes if there's some good senior players at your club or at international level and you feel you can do a bit more Yeah, yeah, you would do but I never had to do that because a club level the managers Were always I felt their mindset was always even with 10 or 15 minutes to go and depending the situation If you get a man sent off you're up against it Listen, we've all stopped there.

43:05I'm going listen you take the draw But if you you know too many draws won't get you anywhere fast Particularly when Liverpool are setting such high standards and Man City did for a number of years where Arsenal were competing with them So they have to change that mindset where again particularly to start the game today Let's let's go at them as if they're waiting for something to happen. They've got the quality They've got the strength and depth. What are they waiting for? Have they got that belief? I said that before the match. Do Arsenal have the belief they can go and take City on? And even Rice after the game they're getting interviewed and Art Tatt every week says he's proud of his team.

43:35I'd like for him to - he was proud of Old Trafford winning 1-0. I'd love for him to come up one time and go no no no I expect more from my players. We're Arsenal, we've a big squad, we've spent a fortune we're going places instead of every week going I'm proud of this and I'm proud of that you kind of get proud of your team when you're winning trophies and that's the next step for them but it's the hardest step but when they're looking at Liverpool and seeing what Liverpool Liverpool for example we're up at Newcastle you're trying to compare managers situation Liverpool were 2-0 up and the 2-2 the way then 2-2 against 10 men you're going are Liverpool going to hang in for a point the manager wasn't hanging in for a point he's throwing on young kids going we're going to win a game of football so Arsenal have to look at that and go, do we be proud in City?

44:17We're proud to get a draw against the Man City team who aren't at their very best. He has to be a bit more critical and say, we need that extra bit if they're going to win the league title. Or, come the end of the season we'll be sitting and going, Arsenal have a decent season. Yeah, they're second, but they've been second over the last two or three years. Arsenal can't afford for that to stop them. As I said, the squad is fantastic. They've got some of the best players in the league, some of the best players in Europe when you look at the players on the pitch. They're so close and they can't afford situations like that to come back and haunt them as it has done year after year.

44:49And of course, the timing of the substitutes that you said, they're looking for that late goal. Martinelli comes on on 80 minutes and Arteta maybe... But you're chasing the game then, Kelly. You're chasing the game. Obviously, the manager is going to take a gamble. He's going to make some change. And he did, obviously, at half-time. He didn't wait too long. But why wait? Do it to start the game.

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46:29And after the three games that have taken place today, this is how the Premier League table looks at the end of the weekend. Aston Villa inside the bottom three, but they did get their first goal. It's just three points from that opening five games, though. As for Newcastle, they find themselves in 13th place on six points, but one win. And suddenly they're catapulted into the top half of the table and in the mix with the teams that are challenging much higher up. Manchester City are in ninth place. That's their worst start to a season in 19 years. And they find themselves eight points off Liverpool at the top of the table.

47:05Sunderland are on eight points. Bournemouth move into fourth. Arsenal are in second. And it's a five-point gap between Arsenal and Liverpool at the top of the table. Look, there's lots been made about the level of Liverpool's performances so far this season. What have Manchester City got to do if they're going to try and close that gap? What do Arsenal have to do if they're going to try and close that smaller gap to Liverpool? Who look, if not perfect, then certainly relentless at the moment. Yeah, I mean, every game Liverpool play, you always feel like before the game they're going to score two goals.

47:42And possibly concede two goals. Yeah, maybe, but you always feel like they're going to score two, no matter what, and that's just on a normal day. On a better day, they'll score three or four. And that's what's won in the title, certainly last season. Yeah, it's fair to say they haven't been at the best this season. But a huge victory yesterday. But Liverpool yesterday, the first 45 minutes, and at times midweek against Madrid, was pretty good. So you're starting to think, OK, they're getting closer to where they need to be and want to be. I think we've just seen signs in the last couple of games that, yeah, they're on the right way.

48:16That's the key question, isn't it, Roy, in a title-challenging season, is if you're getting the points when you're not playing well, is the not playing well going to continue or are the performances going to catch up with the results? I think the performances will certainly improve. They'll obviously drop points at some stage, but we've made a point many times before. It's a great habit of winning football matches, especially with the players involved, new players settling in. And when you're winning, when new lads are settling in, you kind of just, you don't focus on them. Whereas you see United or Man City when you're not winning football matches, you start focusing on players trying to settle and go, he's not up to it.

48:50So all these lads are under their radar and they're getting to the habit of winning football matches. When Liverpool won the league, was it four or five years ago? The following year, they were awful. They won good champions. But the way they've started this season, they look like they are up for it. The obviously recruitment's been brilliant. The manager comes across very, very well. They're digging deep and they're a big goal threat. We're talking about Arsenal's lack of quality, I suppose, from open play. When you see Liverpool in the way they're attacking, even on a bad day, you think they're going to score, like Jamie said, two or three goals.

49:21And that's a great sign. Obviously, they'll want to tighten up in the back. You'd always worry about an injury. We want to do the centre-halves, particularly Van Dijk. But as long as all these players are fit, options off the bench. you've got a manager who's he looks hungry, he looks focused, he never slips up, he's coming across well, they're digging deep it'll be very very difficult to stop Liverpool and momentum's a huge word in football and Liverpool have that already at this stage of season. So what's the difference between Arteta and Slott that you've seen? Well I believe Slott is going to win football matches and not afraid of giving up chances and losing goals because he'll probably feel and again it still might be nerve-wracking for some of the supporters going we want to be tied at the back but part of football obviously been entertainment when I played for United we would give up chances and sometimes goals but we always felt we'd two or three in us so it's just a different mindset different mindset of a manager different backgrounds Arteta whatever it might be Slot being Dutch it's a different mindset again I think when you look at Liverpool they're entertaining to watch every game they've played so far this year you think that listen they might lose this, same in Europe, but they're finding ways to win.

50:26And that is a brilliant trait to have. Jamie said earlier you think it's between Liverpool and Arsenal for the title at this stage. Manchester City will certainly involve themselves in that conversation. Do you think they're strong title challenges? I think they'll be there or thereabouts. I said when we had a prediction before, I said if Liverpool get Isak, I think that would be the difference. I think Arsenal go out and they get Jokere, who's still finding his feet. Eze, who they brought in as well. Zubimendi, all good players. Going back to Arsenal and some of them results where they're getting draws, if you can chain them draws into wins, they'll challenge as well.

51:06I just feel, sometimes you look at Liverpool now, and Jamie's summed it up perfectly well. You're not playing well, but you're still winning. They've got game changers. Football's not always just about tactics. Sometimes you see the game today, Man City wasn't your usual self, but Liverpool have big players in big moments who can make the difference. And that might be the difference in the end. And when you've got Ekotike and Isak and Gakpo and Salah and Wurtz and Van Dijk and Kanate, and then you're not even talking about the full box, Kerkhez is still settling in and Frimpong as well. It was excellent for Leverkusen.

51:42but in terms of the quality, individual quality, Liverpool have the best 11. So, yes or not for City? Well, I said they will challenge, but I think the difference will be them having an Issa. Well, they have a Haaland. But Liverpool have Eketike. We see today at times when they wanted to change the formation, Man City, Doku was up front. Then they put Zivini up front. That could be the difference. I thought you said that was a problem before the game. Well, I'm saying... No, I didn't say it was a problem. I asked you a question. You dodged the question, didn't you? But the other big game player they have, of course, is Donnarumma.

52:17And if they are going to... They're not going to play like they did against Arsenal in every game this season, by any stretch of the imagination. That's very much down to the quality of the opposition. But if they're going to play more like this, closer to this, how important is it that they have someone who is so solid at the back? So important. He's a man-mountain. And a different style of goalkeeper as well for them. He's excellent. How did PSG let him go for£26 million? They said they didn't want to pay their wages. But I just, they have to sort it out internally. From Man City's point of view, I feel a little bit sorry for Trafford.

52:48He come in and he played all right when he was in there. But this goalkeeper here is world class. Yes, he's not the modern day goalkeeper who wants to plow to the feet. But in terms of shot stopping, which Roy would say, it is his job. It is his job. And Crossy's is just, he's been perfect since he's come in. And he made a little mistake for the goal in terms of maybe he could have stayed on his line, maybe he could have rushed off. But his overall game, in the games that I've seen... He's got nice prezzes. He's a good prezz about him. He's had a good start to his City career. But he will be disappointed with a goal.

53:20He's set such high standards. But he's got a nice way about him. There is something quite retro about Manchester City this season, though, in the sense that Pep Guardiola is always trying to reinvent how he plays. I don't want to overstate this, but it is a little bit more defensive. There are more long balls. We did see that Haaland goal on the counter-attack. There is a probably more traditional goalkeeper in Donnarumma. He's got a new assistant coach as well. Would that be coming across as well, Jamie, when he was at Liverpool? Maybe. We were talking about the high line. He'd been coached out a couple of times.

53:50Maybe there's something in that. But I know what you're saying in terms of doing different things. They're eight points behind Liverpool. Only five points, you know, five games into the season. But in terms of the goalkeeper, I actually think when we talk about goalkeepers playing out from the back, I think playing out from the back through a goalkeeper is a little bit overrated. you just don't want a goalkeeper who's who's you know a nightmare you know who's really awkward as long as a goalkeeper can just make simple passes he played a lovely pass into Doku actually I think in the first half you know played it through so it's not no one's ever going to be Edison you know even Liverpool's goalkeeper Alison a lot of his passes are just you know to the wide centre backs he doesn't panic he's got composure but this idea that the goalkeeper's got to be amazing on the board it just doesn't have to be bad and he doesn't look bad but he looks like a fantastic goalkeeper and you saw that today.

54:36Arsenal didn't really look as dangerous as they normally do from set pieces. What do we think then about Arsenal and their title challenges? You're pretty unanimous in thinking that they need maybe to take more risks in order to get more rewards. But the question is are they going to do that under Mikel Arteta? Will he release the handbrake a little bit to allow Arsenal to have that? Well he'll have to. Obviously they'll play next Sunday, isn't it? They're at Newcastle just for example Liverpool play on the Saturday. Again, tough games. But if Liverpool can put pressure on again next week what does he do when he goes to Newcastle next week would he be thinking I've got to go and play my best players my best attacking players certainly am I going to win the game or are you thinking Newcastle's not bad again we'll find out as the games come along but if they keep doing what they've been doing the last few years then it won't be enough so it's well and good having the best squad and the best players available but you've got to give certain players the attacking players that freedom to go and express themselves we've all played with players in teams who may be I've played with people like Cantona and you'd forgive Eric sometimes for not doing that defensive stuff but then these guys go and win you the football matches and you can be arguing in one minute going you've got to come in and bang 1-0 brilliant so you've got to you've got them different characters and traits in your football team but if Arsenal put it this if Arsenal continue to do what they've done the last two or three then they're going to come up short so they have to tweak it a little bit and certainly take more calculated gambles and I always think you bring Eze to the club you've got to play these guys you've got to play these guys because they're the guys that will make the difference just like we saw for the equaliser a quality pass the pace of the pass the run was fantastic on the great finish but very few players can play that quality of pass The game between Chelsea and Manchester United was a strange one I'm not sure we can read too much into that game as a as a one-off particularly because you get the sending off so early on of the Chelsea goalkeeper Robert Sanchez but having said that Chelsea probably you know nobody's favourites necessarily for the title but maybe a lot of people's dark horses for the title possibly this was going to be the season where it was all starting to come together.

56:36Five games in? Anyone who had Chelsea as dark horses or outsiders for the title, that was never going to happen. Chelsea were never going to win the title. Well, then there's top four challenges. Oh, yeah, listen, top four challenges. That's where they were last season. This is brilliant from Bruno, isn't it? Listen, games like this can happen. Something crazy happens. We've all played in games like that. Someone gets sent off early on. And, listen, I don't think the manager covered himself in glory in terms of the changes and the swaps. tactically it just looked very messy in that first half you would you would say that but from Manchester United's point of view it looks like a really comfortable game reel I was watching it at home and then Casemiro just does something daft it might be a little bit unfortunate but it was daft to do that and then the sort of thing but something you deserve to be punished for being daft you know what I mean Brinda and myself sometimes you need punishment Surely not.

57:30But what did you make? Look, I know it's in strange circumstances, this game. You know, Chelsea was the goalkeeper early on. Then Man Utd are down to 10 men as well. It's an important win. It's an important win. Every win is a part for this manager, for this team. They're on the back of two home results, now two wins after the difficult start against Arsenal. So United have to get some sort of foothold or momentum into their season. And certainly that's improving their home form. Still use question marks over the midfielders and defensively or whatever. but you've got people like Bruno who can get you out of jail every now and again and obviously it does help when you get a helping hand from Chelsea's decision making particularly from the goalkeeper but it's an important win and it just hopefully gets you an eye there's particularly new players to the club when they can win at Old Trafford and get a bit of excitement going yeah this is good winning gives you that good feeling and certainly the manager will feel better for it because after the City game we were all there to criticise it wasn't good enough but a few wins a bit of confidence momentum and hopefully they can build on that but a long way back, obviously.

58:27I just wanted to go back to Chelsea, Kelly, actually, because I said about the manager didn't cover himself in glory, maybe with the changes he made in the first half. It was a bit messy. But listen, you're down to 10 men, you lose the game. And I think Chelsea supporters now at the moment think I've got it in for them because me and them had a big argument a few days ago. But I actually think the manager's done a brilliant job since he's been there. I mean, he's coming in year one. He's gotten Champions League football. They were never in contention for the title. So Champions League football through the league.

58:53He's won the competition he's in. does brilliant to, you know, not just beat Paris Saint-Germain, but really, you know, take them to the cleaners in the World Club Championship. My criticism with Chelsea is the actual three and a half years they've been there in terms of a club and how you can still have that team. And we're saying, no chance for the league. And Chelsea fans know that. If you go back to Chelsea teams winning the league, who did they have as goalies? Czech and Courtois. That just tells you all you need to know as a Chelsea fan. And my big problem with Chelsea is how, nothing to do with Mureska as such, but out three and a half years in, with the money that's been spent, you turn up to Old Trafford with the goalkeeper and the centre-backs that you've got, that just, it can't win you the league.

59:35There's no league in 100 years where the standard of those plays and those positions for Chelsea right now can win the league. It just can't happen. But they can finish potentially in the top four. Where can Manchester United finish? I think it feels like it changes every week. And I feel like we're asking you the same question. I'm going to stick with what I kind of said at the start of the season. I still think about eight or nine would be decent for United. I really do. Again, you turn up every week. You're not sure what you're going to get. Obviously, again, it helps when the goalkeeper gets sent off and you've got people like Bruno, but I still think that's not enough.

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