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5:51Courtney Miller:Supposedly. That was wedding shaming. But it has me wondering if this was their wedding. And they're like, isn't this crazy, you guys, that they did this?

5:58Kiana Ledé:And then it's like,

5:59Courtney Miller:edit two, stop!

6:00Kiana Ledé:Guys, everybody chill out! Stop!

6:03Courtney Miller:But even regardless of that, I love when people post things. This goes for anywhere on social media. when they post things, and then they're surprised by the internet being the internet. Right. Where they, you see it a lot on TikTok, where they're like, guys, my boyfriend's so crazy. He, like, doesn't wash the dishes. And then the next one's like, guys, stop being mean to my boyfriend. Okay, he's actually great.

6:22Kiana Ledé:He loves me very much. I was teasing him.

6:24Courtney Miller:You put this out there. Like, the internet was the internet.

6:27Kiana Ledé:100%.

6:28Courtney Miller:That is so interesting.

6:29Kiana Ledé:It very much could be.

6:31Courtney Miller:Because it feels like a bold choice that's almost like a joke. Like, it was meant to make everyone mingle.

6:36Kiana Ledé:Exactly. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, like it was supposed to be like a cute, quirky, everyone get to know each other. Yeah. Maybe Caitlyn was at the wrong table because it's like, K-tlyn. Like, K-tlyn.

6:46Courtney Miller:Oh.

6:48Kiana Ledé:K-tlyn.

6:50Courtney Miller:Like, it's because there's a K in her name. Yes.

6:53Kiana Ledé:Yes. K-tlyn. That's really good. See, but, and that tells me that these people are funny. They have a good, like, idea of like, oh, wait, that's like, smart.

7:04Courtney Miller:Yeah.

7:06Kiana Ledé:Wait, guys. Wait, that's like.

7:07Courtney Miller:This is really quirky and cool.

7:10Kiana Ledé:But it is. I think that's really funny. That is something that, like, from our view, not attending this wedding, not having to sit by your ex or anybody like that, it is funny from afar.

7:21Courtney Miller:It's all, yeah. It has me thinking of a lot of fun ways to have seating arrangements that are also extremely messed up. But, like, to organize the entire seating chart by height difference, so tallest to shortest, and you just, but you don't tell anybody. and they'll show up and they're all there and they're like, I think everybody at that table's really tall and we're all really short.

7:42Kiana Ledé:I know what table I would want to be at.

7:45Courtney Miller:Or he organizes it by like hottest to least hottest and nobody knows and everybody's by the end and they're like, wait a second.

7:53Kiana Ledé:What if it was like funniest?

7:55Courtney Miller:Yeah. You don't tell people what it's raked on. It's just like at some point in the day the groom is just like, just so you know, we seated you all in a specific order. You must figure out what the criteria is. Oh my God. Let mayhem ensue.

8:08Kiana Ledé:Honestly, really fun. Really awful. Really awful. No, no, so awesome because at the table, then it makes everybody be like, okay, so what do we all have in common?

8:18Courtney Miller:What are we? What are we?

8:21Kiana Ledé:So wait, what are we? Yes, it's like we were all placed here for a reason. Why?

8:26Courtney Miller:Could be a really fun, horrible game to play.

8:29Kiana Ledé:Murder mystery, but not. I like it.

8:31Courtney Miller:Yeah. Courtney, you and I would not be sitting close together at all.

8:35Kiana Ledé:No.

8:36Courtney Miller:I'd be so far away.

8:37Kiana Ledé:No, but that's fun. Who would I be with? I would be with Chance. I'd be with Damien. I'd be by Spencer. Lucky. I'd be my, I'd be my. You'd be the triple A. I'd be by Amanda and Angela. My triple A. Triple A would be there.

8:52Courtney Miller:That's a great thing. A squash wedding.

8:54Kiana Ledé:Chance, Courtney, Damien. Bailey. Let's make this the video.

9:02Courtney Miller:Tommy would be close to Spencer and I.

9:04Kiana Ledé:Let's just build the Smosh table assignment. Yes.

9:08Courtney Miller:Somebody will. Someone out there designed this.

9:10Kiana Ledé:Someone will make it. I remember planning an event similar to this where I thought a version of seating with some mingling involved would be fun. But it seemed like at the end of the day people preferred to just be with the people they knew. Because, you know, people are anxious and like to be with their friends.

9:29Courtney Miller:Well, the wedding, you're also stuck there, kind of.

9:32Kiana Ledé:Yeah. Yeah.

9:33Courtney Miller:Weddings are designed also, I mean, not designed, but, like, they're a great opportunity for a family to get together. So you kind of remove that element.

9:40Kiana Ledé:It's like a reunion, usually. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's also particularly cruel to separate the plus ones. Oh, that's rough. That's so messed up. Like, you came with somebody to this wedding, and then you're like, have fun with the steak, you know? Yeah, because weddings, like, plus ones to a wedding, it's kind of like a romantic thing. People, like, see it as like, hey, will you go to this wedding with me? and you're like, oh, so we're in a rom-com now. Yes. And then you show up and you can't sit with them. But that's also the funny scene in the rom-com where you're like, I guess I'm stuck with these weird people.

10:12Kiana Ledé:And then you see the date across the place being funny with the other people. And you're like, he's really great, isn't he? And then you eventually, you're like, just later. It's really cool, huh? I think he's going to be the one. Too bad his name starts with a Z. Xander. Xander!

10:32Courtney Miller:That's an X. They spelled Caitlin with a K.

10:38Kiana Ledé:Xylophone.

10:39Courtney Miller:We have comments here. Someone said, this person loves an icebreaker at a professional meeting.

10:46Kiana Ledé:Icebreakers mentioned.

10:48Courtney Miller:Someone said, I'll do you one better. I once was at a wedding where at one point all the guests had to form two circles, one inside the other, so you would face another guest. Every couple then had to hold each other's hand and everyone sang a little song about how happy they were that the other person was here today. And then the inner circle rotated so you had to do the exact same thing with a new person. And again and again and again.

11:13Kiana Ledé:What are we doing?

11:14Courtney Miller:That's a cult. That's a cult.

11:17Kiana Ledé:No, no. See, that's not fun. I'm so happy you are here. I love how I immediately. I forgot about the song. I was like, hello?

11:27Courtney Miller:I love how I immediately know that that was a dry wedding. Like, I'm like, that was a dry wedding. You're not doing that shit when you're drunk.

11:34Kiana Ledé:Or they were all so stoned.

11:35Courtney Miller:Or they're hammered. And that was not in the plan. And they all collectively did it.

11:40Kiana Ledé:I'm so happy.

11:41Courtney Miller:Guys, the Tito's is telling us to do this.

11:43Kiana Ledé:I'm so happy.

11:45Courtney Miller:Someone said, why on earth would anyone do this? Laziness and lack of emotional intelligence is my guess. OP said, not laziness and not ill intentions. Yeah. This was OP's wedding.

11:57Kiana Ledé:I think this was OP's wedding, yeah.

11:58Courtney Miller:Not laziness and not ill intentions. I think the groom genuinely thought it was a fun way to get all the different people he and the bride care about to meet each other.

12:05Kiana Ledé:I think the groom was really smart. I think the groom was really handsome.

12:08Courtney Miller:Who's really hot and has a huge dick, by the way. I think it was a great idea.

12:14Kiana Ledé:Yeah, yeah. Just completely out of left field to these comments. I think the groom is packing.

12:21Courtney Miller:Just so you know, I got that sense.

12:23Kiana Ledé:They're like, great, but the alphabetical thing.

12:25Courtney Miller:So the alphabetical thing was weird, though. It's like, no, only someone who's packing heat can do that. Okay. Someone else said, if my wife and I went to a wedding with this BS, then we would just ignore the seating chart and sit together. OP said, we did, smiling face. Okay, so it didn't matter.

12:46Kiana Ledé:Huh. Huh. We did smiley face. We did smiley face.

12:52Courtney Miller:We did smiling face. This was OP's wedding.

12:54Kiana Ledé:Yeah, that was your fucking wedding.

12:55Courtney Miller:Yeah, OP, we know.

12:56Kiana Ledé:You abandoned the seating chart because you were up at the altar.

12:58Courtney Miller:You wanted to put a post on wedding shaming to see that everybody thought your idea was actually amazing. And they weren't going to shame it.

13:05Kiana Ledé:And it didn't work.

13:06Courtney Miller:That's slipping past us.

13:07Kiana Ledé:That's right. Fuck you, next story. Just kidding. I hope it was a lovely ceremony.

13:13Courtney Miller:If I did go to a wedding, I think I'm the type that if I went to a wedding and it was seated that way, which is so absurd and chaotic, I don't think I'd be mad about it. I'd be like, this is crazy.

13:23Kiana Ledé:Yeah.

13:23Courtney Miller:Like I would get mad if it was designed in a way very intentionally that also split people up. This was just a pure chaos move.

13:32Kiana Ledé:I'd like a break in the simulation moment. When you break the simulation, you're like, what even is seeding? Yeah, yeah. Your outies come out. Your outies are out. The indies are in. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Our indies are...

13:45Courtney Miller:They're like...

13:46Kiana Ledé:Wake up. I'm here.

13:48Courtney Miller:They're like, all right, your seeding chart, you'll find your name on a table. There will also be another name on the table. That is your target.

13:56Kiana Ledé:Find them. Find them. Shoot them.

13:58Courtney Miller:Kill them. They're searching for you, too.

14:01Kiana Ledé:Yes, there's the gun. They're packing heat.

14:02Courtney Miller:The groom. Only the groom has a gun.

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16:49Courtney Miller:Every style, every home. Now, back to the show. So I can read more Reddit stories. That's all I do anymore. It's fine. Our next story comes from Wedding Shaming. My cousin faked her own wedding to get money and gifts.

17:06Kiana Ledé:That's just wrong. That's just wrong. That's so, so bad. Gosh, that's just so... I can't even take it. That's horrible.

17:16Courtney Miller:That's just so wrong.

17:17Kiana Ledé:Pranking about being married is horrible. Like what? Did she like make save the dates and stuff? That's awful. Did she do it on April Fool's Day?

17:25Courtney Miller:What a bad thing.

17:27Kiana Ledé:That's the worst of it.

17:28Courtney Miller:What a huge piece of shit.

17:30Kiana Ledé:Yeah.

17:31Courtney Miller:Yes, you read the title correctly. This happened almost 20 years ago and is still talked about amongst my family. My cousin declared to all of us that she met this great man. Six months or so later, they were expected to be married. Now, my cousin had lucked out because my mom and aunts agreed to prepare all of the food. The wedding venue was at my uncle's house, not her dad. He has a huge amount of land, so the ceremony was set up outside with chairs, and there were tents put up for the reception and the food. My mom's side of the family is big. We have people all over the country and some even overseas.

18:03Courtney Miller:So we had over 100 people who agreed to travel far and yonder, rent cars, and get hotels in order to attend this wedding.

18:11Kiana Ledé:Oof. See, I didn't do that.

18:12Courtney Miller:The morning of, my cousin, the bride, was acting so sketchy. She was so reluctant to get ready. She kept taking off her gown and putting on casual clothing. We were all so confused. We thought she had cold feet. Meanwhile, my mom and aunts were sweltering in the kitchen, preparing all of this food for all these people. Someone noticed she kept making trips to her car and would come back to the house. But we were all so busy setting everything up that we didn't focus on it too hard. What made matters worse, the groom was nowhere to be found. People kept telling her to call him. She did, and apparently it kept going straight to voicemail.

18:46Courtney Miller:Guests are arriving, preparations are being made, and the groom isn't here for his wedding? We are questioning her and asking her what the hell is going on, and she says he had a meeting yesterday in New York, but he was supposed to come back last night but didn't, making it seem like he stood her up. Instantly, we deflated because we could tell that she was lying. She went outside for a moment. My aunt took her phone and looked at her call history. She never called him once. We all started screaming, wondering what the hell is she trying to pull here. My aunt calls him and he picks up. She asks him where he is.

19:18Courtney Miller:He says, I'm in New York for business. She's questioning him. How are you on business the day of your wedding? I'm sure none of you are surprised by the fact that he had no idea there was a wedding, let alone a wedding he was supposed to be getting married in. He was in shock and couldn't believe my cousin did all of this. But he said he never proposed to her and planned to be away this weekend, and she knew that. We all go outside to confront her, and she's gone in the wind.

19:41Kiana Ledé:Gone in the wind? Gone in the wind?

19:49Courtney Miller:She's gone in the wind. those trips to the car she was taking? We found out later from her son she was taking gifts and money off the table as they arrived and stowing them in her car. My uncle said when she came outside, she tried to grab more, but he stopped her from grabbing them so soon because it looked tacky. Not having any idea, that was the whole point for this entire charade. He made a joke later that night. Well, guess this was just another family reunion. Moments after that, people were just going back and forth about all the money they spent. My mom spent over$700 on groceries for the wedding,$300 renting a car, and money for a hotel.

20:26Courtney Miller:My dress was, I don't even remember how much, from David's Bridal. I was her flower girl who never got to do her job. Whenever I share this story with people, they find it insane. I absolutely agree. But looking back on it, it kind of makes me chuckle at how ridiculous it is. She still very much is the black sheep of the family. Unfortunately, this is not the worst thing she's done at our expense.

20:45Kiana Ledé:What? Whoa! This isn't the worst? Don't still talk to her? How did she show back up? That's one. How do you show back up after that? That's wild. I, for some reason, thought it was going to be like a heist, and her and the boyfriend did it together, but no, he was none the wiser. No, he had a meeting in New York. And she was gone in the wind. It's actually, it's so sad to think about all the stuff that she did wrong. Like, incredibly inappropriate for her to just involve her family overall.

21:14Courtney Miller:What a terrible heist. Rob a bank. Like, at least rob someone you're not going to see again. Right.

21:21Kiana Ledé:Yeah, I was like, wow, you don't care about your family at all. At all.

21:24Courtney Miller:At all. I get infuriated when people do bad things. I get really mad when they do them really stupidly. Because I'm like, not only are you doing a bad thing, you're also insulting everyone's intelligence. You're doing it badly and stupidly. You're doing it badly and stupidly. Yeah. But I'm like, you're trying to get free gifts and money, so you staged a wedding with your entire family there.

21:47Kiana Ledé:That's wild.

21:47Courtney Miller:To rob your family. And just leave. I'm like, you, okay.

21:53Kiana Ledé:But she kind of pulled it off.

21:55Courtney Miller:I hope those gifts and money were worth losing your entire, she didn't lose her entire family. They're back. They were fine. She showed up for Thanksgiving and she was like, hey. Yeah. That was crazy. That wasn't okay.

22:07Kiana Ledé:She's like,

22:07Courtney Miller:I'm sorry.

22:08Kiana Ledé:Is this the last time she's ever going to see them? It's truly like, I would never, like, how could you do that with any inkling that you might see them again? Yeah. It seems like they don't care. That's just attached to her lore. And it's not even her worst defense. And this family seems very forgiving. They're like, eh, I spent$700. Well, that's not even the worst thing she did. I know. I'm shocked.

22:29Courtney Miller:They were, like, willing to go this far. What was her name? I'm shocked they have any trust for her.

22:33Kiana Ledé:Did she have a name?

22:34Courtney Miller:No.

22:34Kiana Ledé:Kate. Cousin. Caitlin. Oh, that classic Caitlin. Classic Caitlin.

22:40Courtney Miller:OP did comment other offenses. Yeah. Worse offenses. To name some, she's taken scholarship money for college from her son and used it for her own benefit. A son? He never ended up going to college. She stole social security checks from my aunt with dementia, who is in her care and has gotten involved with grimy people just to make money. Why are you talking?

23:04Kiana Ledé:Okay. Well, there you go. Why are you talking to this person? She's a scammer. She's a famously known scammer. and a family. Wow. Holy crap. How did they fall for the wedding?

23:15Courtney Miller:Wow. Also, she has a kid? This is like old school. Yeah.

23:22Kiana Ledé:Like I'm having a hard time Like, hey, I'm good for the money.

23:24Courtney Miller:Come on. She's going to borrow a couple thousand.

23:27Kiana Ledé:She makes you look like a pastor. A saint.

23:31Courtney Miller:You got to up your game.

23:32Kiana Ledé:I did nothing wrong.

23:34Courtney Miller:You got zero money out of all your friends. She's an honest woman. You did it for the love of the game.

23:38Kiana Ledé:No, honestly, I'm having a hard time not being impressed. This is, she pulled off a lot.

23:43Courtney Miller:Awful person.

23:44Kiana Ledé:Terrible. Kind of cool. Like, but awful.

23:49Courtney Miller:No, robbing your children, robbing your aunt with dementia. Objectively terrible. You're the worst kind of thief.

23:56Kiana Ledé:Horrific. And the fact that her family is still keeping her around, it's really sad. It's so interesting. I know.

24:02Courtney Miller:I'm like, wait.

24:04Kiana Ledé:Yeah.

24:05Courtney Miller:Come on.

24:05Kiana Ledé:Like, at that point. Sorry. The son's in college now, so she's like grown.

24:09Courtney Miller:Well, the son can't.

24:10Kiana Ledé:He can't go to college because she took the scholarship money. Okay, but they said he never ended up going to college. He never ended up going to college. So that means this person is not just like a girl in her early 20s, getting a little cash, getting it back. This is a grown, grown woman doing this stuff.

24:26Courtney Miller:And she's just continued to do this. That sucks.

24:29Kiana Ledé:Yeah.

24:31Courtney Miller:Someone commented, is the groom still with her or did he leave her after that stunt? OP said, luckily he ended things very quickly after that. So at least he had the sense to...

24:42Kiana Ledé:She was probably taking money from him too. Yeah.

24:45Courtney Miller:Someone said, so a whole wedding was planned without anyone really knowing the groom, meeting his parents or anything like that? Hmm. Someone said, due to living in different cities, my mom and sisters-in-law didn't meet until the wedding day. It is rare, but it happens. OP said, like I said, we have family from all over and don't live close. A lot of us have never even met the man, let alone knew what he looked like. My cousin's dating history is pretty terrible in itself, so we weren't surprised that she agreed to get married shortly after meeting him. But you're entitled to believe what you want.

25:14Courtney Miller:Lastly, someone said, love granddad well. At least we had a family reunion.

25:19Kiana Ledé:Yeah, that's true. That's an upside. It became an impromptu family reunion with food. Yeah, they got to collectively shit on cable.

25:26Courtney Miller:Well, I guess this was just another family reunion.

25:28Kiana Ledé:We love a common enemy. Yes, yes. She's doing him a favor. Jesus. she actually might be a saint, actually. Yeah. Honestly, not the asshole.

25:40Courtney Miller:Honestly, best person we've ever heard. Yeah.

25:42Kiana Ledé:I'm just picturing her with a silk scarf around her hair. It's flowing in the wind, and she's driving away on the convertible, and there's a blender in the passenger seat. Yeah.

25:52Courtney Miller:And she's gone in the wind. A bad thief. Gone in the wind. You didn't even get good shit out of this, really.

25:59Kiana Ledé:She got a blender.

26:00Courtney Miller:You could have gotten, like... More. You could be a better thief.

26:05Kiana Ledé:Right.

26:06Courtney Miller:She's like Robin Hood, except she just steals from her family and gives it to herself. Yeah. Yeah.

26:10Kiana Ledé:Yeah. Now I'm trying to think of life events that you can fake and get more money out of. Not for me. Sweet 16.

26:19Courtney Miller:Do you think anyone's ever faked their own death and gotten their own life insurance money?

26:23Kiana Ledé:Oh, 100%. People do it all the time. They drive the car off the cliff, leave the driver's license in the car.

26:28Courtney Miller:But then how do they pick up the life insurance money? Because they're dead.

26:31Kiana Ledé:Pretend the call be their mom. You get a really big trench coat.

26:35Courtney Miller:Hi, this is his mom. And I really need that money.

26:38Kiana Ledé:My son is gone in the wind. Can I collect his tax money? And he's packing. And he's packing. You just want to make sure you know that.

26:47Courtney Miller:I just need you to know that. All right. That's going to be hard to top. That was a crazy one. All right. Caitlin. Our next story. This comes from Am I the Asshole? Yes. Am I the asshole for having a no ring, no bring wedding?

27:05Kiana Ledé:Huh? No wing, no wing? No wing, no wing. Oh, I know this, I know this, I know this. You've heard of this? I think it's if you're not married to your plus one, they can't be there. Oh, I've never heard of that. No ring, no bring, I think. That's crazy. That's what it sounds like. Hotline bring.

27:26Kiana Ledé:I loved it, I loved it. I'm in a weird place today, guys. This is a great discussion to have, so I can't wait to hear the story.

27:32Courtney Miller:No ring, no bring wedding. What? Welcome to waiting wedding stories.

27:36Kiana Ledé:No wing, no bring. No wing, no wing. No into wind. Gone into wind.

27:42Courtney Miller:Using a throwaway account for this, I'm a 32-year-old woman getting married to my fiancé, a 35-year-old man, next summer. We've been together since this January, which might seem sudden, but have been living together since Easter, and both know that this is the relationship we want to be in forever. This was posted in November. So they've been living together since Easter. So half a year, maybe. I am the last of my core friend group to get married and have playfully, of course, been teased about being the last one standing since the second to last friend got married last year. That, along with being the youngest sibling and youngest cousin, means that there is no one important in my life who isn't already married or engaged.

28:22Courtney Miller:When discussing wedding plans originally and in line with our budget and venue size, we realized quite quickly that we wouldn't be able to have many, if any, plus ones. To me, a plus one is a friend of a friend or unmarried slash not engaged partner. From everything I knew about my fiance's friends that I'd met, they were all married and there is one couple engaged to be married next spring. He had often mentioned a friend, a 33-year-old man, who lived at the other end of the country and his partner, 29-year-old woman. I clarified they were not married or engaged and so only included the friend on the invite.

28:55Courtney Miller:What my fiance failed to tell me in advance was that this couple have been together for 10 years and will never get married due to some kind of trauma that the girlfriend has from her parents' marriage growing up. Given the no plus one rule, unfortunately, I couldn't make an exception for this once I was made aware. I was contacted by the wife of my fiance's best man to ask why this friend and girlfriend were the only couple to not be invited together. And despite explaining the above, she thinks I could have been more flexible. My fiance is concerned that his friend won't attend the wedding. We are close to the RSVP deadline and we haven't yet had his response.

29:29Courtney Miller:But my own friends don't see an issue with the no ring, no bring as a rule, given how expensive weddings can be, especially with guests I don't really know. I personally just don't want to make things awkward at my fiance's friend's wedding in the spring as we have been told this couple will be attending. Okay. It's like I made this rule and I can't. I'm sorry. I can't break this rule. It's like, it's your wedding. Do whatever the hell you want.

29:58Kiana Ledé:Totally, totally. This is a clear indication of the concept of keeping something just because it's a rule or a ritual or a tradition. When it's like, there's exceptions, there's outliers. There are reasons to break this made-up rule that you made up. Yeah, the fact that these people have been together for over 10 years, and because they haven't assumed a traditional role of their relationship. I'd be like, dude, there's an imaginary ring. Like, they've been together 10 times longer than you guys have, if not. So, like, that's very silly to, even though the RSVP deadline has not happened, like, I thought, like, oh, it's too late, and, like, literally the wedding's today.

30:42Kiana Ledé:But it's like, no, there's time, and you're just choosing to, that just feels very black and white and not fair. Yeah, it's like you're putting so much value on this concept of marriage and the ring is so big when it's like, I think when people are trying to use that rule, usually it's to signify a strength in relationship and a commitment. And I get the idea of like, oh, we want people at the wedding who like will probably stick around in our lives. Like eventually they'll get married or like we'll see them down the line at maybe their wedding, like that kind of thing. But to strictly just be like, if you don't have a ring, then you don't come into the wedding.

31:18Kiana Ledé:Like that feels strange.

31:19Courtney Miller:It's bullshit. She's trying to remove any responsibility by acting like, oh, this rule was placed upon me. It's like, you made it a fun rule because you thought it would be in line with everything you were already going to do. Turns out that's not the case. You're going to exclude one couple. Just let them come and call all your friends who aren't married and say like, hey, here's the number that can attend. So, like, I had to, in order to get everybody, I can't have plus ones for all of you.

31:50Kiana Ledé:I personally think, I think that they're just super into the marketing idea of no ring, no bring. When it's like, clearly, she wasn't saying no plus ones unless you have a ring. It sounds like she was checking if people were engaged or not, married or not. I was like, okay, they're not. Okay, I'm only going to put his name on the invite then. So, it's not even like a, oh, and bring a plus one. It's like, she's inviting people by name. Yeah. Yeah. It's not like a casual, you can't have a plus one. Like, it's just gymnastics at that point. Yeah. Like, fixated on the expression for some reason. Yeah.

32:22Kiana Ledé:Like, they like that idea of it. Yeah. Yeah. It's really silly.

32:26Courtney Miller:The verdict is asshole.

32:27Kiana Ledé:But of course.

32:28Courtney Miller:I also, lastly, I'll say is like, she's talking a lot about her experience and why this rule is, like, funny for her. We're not hearing much about the groom, and it sounds like she's excluding the groom's friends. It's sounding selfish to me. Seems a little personal.

32:42Kiana Ledé:Yeah.

32:43Courtney Miller:Comments, as someone who had been single for so long, you would think she would be more empathetic to unmarried people. She should know better. You're the asshole. Someone said, you're the asshole. I'm sorry, I thought you and your husband were getting married. Why is everything about you? Oh, unfortunately, I couldn't make an exception. Fuck out of here. It's your husband's wedding too. And if he's upset or concerned that his friend can't or won't attend, then why are you the only one that gets a say in the matter? Sounds like you and your friend group put far too much value on a ring. Someone said, easy fix.

33:12Courtney Miller:Invite her separately I totally get that you don't want people bringing dates Just to make up the numbers But 10 years is a long term relationship Longer than a lot of marriages If it's important to your future hubby To have his friend there Then make this one exception Marriage is about compromise Who all else is pressuring you for plus ones This sounds like a non-issue Invite their long term partner and be done with it No one else knows the exact nature of everyone Who is invited's relationship You are impacting your future husband's friendships You're the asset

33:41Kiana Ledé:I think that's one thing I say too is like I think whenever we read stories around weddings and choices made within the wedding, you can't treat it as an isolated choice. Like it is a statement toward that relationship. Like that choice is a message in a lot of ways. Like a lot of choices about weddings are a message. And it's sad that the groom's close friend is maybe not going to go because they care about their partner. Like they might have been with their partner longer than they knew this friend. like definitely that's yeah yeah just selfish i i agree i think it definitely feels like an individual choice and it's what i was going to say earlier that feels peculiar is the way that she described her relationship to marriage in the beginning of the post talking about how no one pretty much important in her life is unmarried which i found kind of strange she did declare like hey i got teased about being the last one so yeah as that top comment points out it's like hey

34:38Courtney Miller:Like, you know what it feels like. Why are you doing this?

34:41Kiana Ledé:Yeah, it's almost like she wants to turn it around and, like, give some shame to other people now that she's, like, crossing the finish line.

34:49Courtney Miller:It kind of reminds me of something that I struggle with a little bit, and I feel like in L.A. this is common, of people who are so dedicated to an aesthetic that they're willing to, like, ruin an event. You know, it's like, no, this is the theme. Like, this is the thing. And it's like, hey, man, like, due to the, like, what you want the optics of it to be, you're making it a bad time. Like, that's what, she's putting this weird rule on this that is gonna ruin it.

35:14Kiana Ledé:Yeah, it's definitely something deeper, I think. Yeah. Knowing the idea that the relationship that she has to marriage, this expression, no ring, no bring, I think it is some sort of, like, underlying feeling that she has about it, which, again, makes sense. but it's important to dissect and make an exception. Right. Yeah.

35:38Courtney Miller:Update, update, update, update. No update.

35:42Kiana Ledé:Save the date? Save the date? Gone with the wind update? Gone in the wind?

35:46Courtney Miller:Gone in the wind.

35:47Kiana Ledé:I see I said it properly that time.

35:50Courtney Miller:All right.

35:51Kiana Ledé:Well, good luck to them. Yeah. Whatever happiness to you two.

35:54Courtney Miller:Yeah, I hope you're happy.

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39:05Courtney Miller:This comes from Wedding Shaming. Best man speech was incredibly insulting to the couple.

39:13Kiana Ledé:Uh-oh, uh-oh, uh-oh, best man?

39:15Courtney Miller:We love a horrible best man speech.

39:18Kiana Ledé:Oh, my God. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For those of you that don't know me. Yeah.

39:21Courtney Miller:Yeah. Yeah. Yo, Bobby. Yeah. Dude, this guy's crazy, dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, here we go. God. I was a guest at a wedding, knew both the groom and the bride before they started dating, and they are both very lovely slash kind people. The groom's family had an attitude of, it's about time, having seen the groom date people, party in the city, et cetera. He was not old by any means, early slash mid-30s. The best man was the groom's brother, and his speech still lives rent-free in my head. He got up and started off with some jabs about typical family-slash-brother-slash-athletic banter, and then turned to the couple.

39:58Courtney Miller:He goes on to explain that their relationship is similar to how the groom shops at Ikea. You go through the store, so many options. What about that one? What about this one? Can't make up his mind, so you keep moving, and eventually you get to the warehouse area where you pick up the parts, and then right before the checkout line, you look to your left and see the return slash incomplete bin and grab something out of there right before checking out. He chuckles at this point, and the entire audience is silent except for someone who audibly says, what the fuck?

40:32Kiana Ledé:That would be Spencer.

40:34Courtney Miller:And then someone came to grab the mic away from him as he was raising a glass to the couple. His own brother roasted him and her, comparing her to the last possible option, broken or damaged. At one point, a family member of the bride had to be restrained from a fight. I think it was her cousin slash friend, not sure. The buffet line was super awkward right after that and everyone was talking about it for the rest of the night. Luckily, the couple brushed it off and didn't let it dominate the night. I would have been out for blood, but they kept it classy. A distant relative said, I've been going to weddings my entire life.

41:10Courtney Miller:Ain't nothing as bad as that crap. Woof.

41:13Kiana Ledé:Okay, I like couldn't even grasp what the best man was saying.

41:19Courtney Miller:Yeah, he was saying you go through Ikea, like you see everything, you're like - You're shopping, you're looking at options. And then right before you check out at Ikea, there's the incomplete, there's the broken bullshit stuff. Right, right. That's really cheap and you just grab it right before you check out.

41:32Kiana Ledé:I know, what's so crazy is like, I'm like, oh, so what are you, so he's checking out with some, so I have notes, I have notes. It's a bad, it's also a bad. It's like, oh, so you found something great and you're checking out, but also you found something lost and damaged in this other section. Yeah. It doesn't even work. Unfunny bad writing.

41:50Courtney Miller:Yeah, like, if you're going to insult someone, at least have it be, like, a good analogy. Yes. Right?

41:56Kiana Ledé:Make it juicier.

41:57Courtney Miller:Yeah, this was dumb and also mean.

41:59Kiana Ledé:And your brother? That is heartbreaking. Was he drunk? Was he drunk, Shane?

42:06Courtney Miller:It sounds a little planned, though. It was actually too good to be like, he might have been drunk, but I think he kind of thought about this before he was drunk.

42:17Kiana Ledé:You think he thought he was going to like eat?

42:19Courtney Miller:I think he thought like, this is awesome.

42:22Kiana Ledé:Is he going to like eat? Well, I mean, look, not reading that hard into it.

42:28Courtney Miller:It is objectifying too.

42:31Kiana Ledé:Like the way he's talking about like, I think I know what this guy thinks about women.

42:35Courtney Miller:just based on how he's talking about women being things that you go through Ikea and just grab or whatever.

42:41Kiana Ledé:Even just the idea of shopping.

42:43Courtney Miller:Yeah.

42:43Kiana Ledé:Like, what? Hello?

42:45Courtney Miller:Yeah, like he could pick whatever he wanted and he chose that broken bullshit.

42:49Kiana Ledé:And I thought the speech was gonna go like, and then he looked left and he saw a gorgeous, juicy, shiny hot dog at the food court. And wouldn't we all enjoy that? And you actually, yeah. And wouldn't we all enjoy that more? Yeah. And then... That joke is gone in the wind.

43:10Courtney Miller:It would have been... That would have been better.

43:11Kiana Ledé:I think you guys need to get a writer's room. Yes. You and the groom. Let's workshop that. I don't want to work with this groom. The best man. You can punch him up. I can punch him. Punch him up.

43:21Courtney Miller:Out of all the wedding speeches I've heard on Reddit stories, that's definitely in the top three.

43:28Kiana Ledé:That's awful. And it's not even well constructed.

43:32Courtney Miller:No, it's poorly written.

43:33Kiana Ledé:I, I, the couple is, I, I'm very impressed by the couple. Yeah. I feel like they're like. Them being classy. Wow. I don't know if, I don't know.

43:41Courtney Miller:I also got to give mad props to the person who in the back just, what the fuck? Yes.

43:46Kiana Ledé:Yeah. Did I just hear that right? Great. Someone needs to do that. Love that. I think the, the couple probably were like, well, everyone got to react for us. And like, maybe they weren't surprised by this brother. You know? You never know. People were in their corner. Totally. And it does, like, he did his own shame.

44:01Courtney Miller:He was the best man. Best man and brother.

44:04Kiana Ledé:You're right.

44:05Courtney Miller:So the brother had to have at least had some respect. Or felt pressured.

44:09Kiana Ledé:Sometimes, it depends on where it comes from, the decisions for a wedding. It's like, well, I have to make my brother my best man because he's my brother. True. A lot of people do it out of obligation just because you're a sibling. There's reasons.

44:22Courtney Miller:Comments. Everyone wants to be the funny man. In reality, most people should simply be a little sentimental and a lot concise. Wedding speeches aren't your opportunity to be a stand-up comedian. Say something nice about the groom. Say something nice about the bride. Say something nice about them as a couple. Toast and put the microphone down. Nothing more is needed. 4 ,000 upvotes. Someone said, I remember one story here, as in on Reddit, where the maid of honor, a childhood friend of the bride, decided to regale the guests by sharing how, when she'd sleep over at the bride's house as kids, they'd go out into the yard late at night and poop.

44:55Courtney Miller:In the morning, father of the bride would find it and blame the dog. So, she concluded with a sparkly smile, now you know it was us all along. By this point, the bride's face could not have been deeper in her palms.

45:07Kiana Ledé:That's an awesome story. That's a great story. I'd rather the best man take a shit on the floor than say that to the couple. You can pick up the shit and toss it at me in my white dress, but don't do that. But don't call me a piece of furniture.

45:22Courtney Miller:Someone said, my husband has horrible social anxiety and was the best man at his best friend's wedding. He was dreading the toast and went last. After everyone had given their long, heartfelt, sometimes funny, sometimes awkward toasts, people were ready for cake and dancing. He stood up and just said, I'm so happy for you too. I love you guys. It was perfect.

45:40Kiana Ledé:Aww.

45:41Courtney Miller:Someone said, best man sucks, but kudos to the person who said, what the fuck, and to the mic confiscator. I've read so many stories of situations in which people were too stunned to call out the asshole behavior.

45:53Kiana Ledé:Yeah.

45:53Courtney Miller:Someone said, to be generous, I get that he was maybe trying to say, Hey, my brother found something he wasn't expecting at the last minute, but not the right comparison. A friend went to a wedding once when the best man said, you know, I'm happy for them. She seems fine. That was apparently not what the best man had meant to say, but he got stage fright and totally blanked on his speech. Bride and Groot still gave him a hard time. Lastly, someone said, what if the bride had just left? Being compared with damaged things picked up as the last option is not what you want to hear on your day.

46:23Kiana Ledé:No. He took us on a journey. He took us on a really bad journey.

46:28Courtney Miller:Nobody even wants to go through Ikea on a good day.

46:31Kiana Ledé:Yeah, Ikea?

46:33Courtney Miller:I like Ikea for like the first half, and then it feels like a movie that goes on too long where I'm like, all right. Yes. Oh, we're bringing up rooms that I forgot about. I'm like, yeah.

46:43Kiana Ledé:This makes me think too, like how much of a wedding is just what we do because it's what other people do? Like, do we need the maid of honor and the best man speeches? Do we need like - We don't need any of it. certain things, you know?

46:57Courtney Miller:It can be whatever you want.

46:59Kiana Ledé:When we did, like, our big family celebration, we chose to each do a speech and then we were like, okay, and then we'll just do no speeches just so it's fair to everyone. And sometimes I look back and I wish, like, what if I just let the mic get passed around? Like, what would people have said? Just, like, because it could be funny. Like, what do people, I don't know, but also you might hear something you never wish you had heard. Yeah. But, yeah, we chose of, like, we will thank everyone for being there and like we don't want anybody to feel left out.

47:29Courtney Miller:What I think about though is like how many times I hear about like when people have these opportunities for speeches and stuff that's like don't try to be funny. Like it's just it's like yeah if there's something that's a really sentimental funny joke sure but I'm like the amount of times that people go for the funny thing and it's insulting because it's selfish. It's like oh are you trying to get a laugh?

47:52Kiana Ledé:Yeah. Or

47:52Courtney Miller:you're trying to make that person feel special. Like when you're giving a speech, especially at a wedding, the point is to give the spotlight.

47:59Kiana Ledé:Yeah.

47:59Courtney Miller:Which is kind of opposite in so many other situations where you're giving speeches because maybe it's like, oh, you want an award or like you're, you know, like maybe a graduation thing. But this is a very unique one where you're not trying to have the spotlight.

48:13Kiana Ledé:And the easiest comedy is just shitting on another person.

48:17Courtney Miller:It's the lowest common denominator.

48:19Kiana Ledé:And it's like wedding jokes or marriage jokes. I feel like they are originally so deep-rooted in just, like, domestic issues and just, like, the old ball and chain, me old, whatever. Yeah, literally. Me old. With those speeches, too, I find it so funny. I've gone to a handful of weddings where people, and, you know, with the right amount of taste, you can do it. But a lot of people also choose to go up there and make jokes about them being single. Yeah.

48:44Courtney Miller:You know? It's just like, once again, it's like you're taking the spotlight away. You're talking about yourself. like it's not like yes if I'm a guest at a wedding where I don't know anybody I'm entertained by it all yeah right but truthfully it's like if you're there and this is someone you care about and they're getting married like this is kind of almost more of an opportunity to talk directly to them and be like this is a core memory like what do I want you to remember forever

49:08Kiana Ledé:totally true like instead of thinking

49:11Courtney Miller:about like I'm in front of all these people it's like no you're kind of on the spot for your friend

49:15Kiana Ledé:right now yeah Yeah.

49:17Courtney Miller:It's just you and them, baby.

49:18Kiana Ledé:You and them. That's sweet.

49:20Courtney Miller:Our next one comes from Wedding Shaming. Another Wedding Shaming story. They want my daughter to be a flower girl at their wedding, but I'm not invited. Oh.

49:31Kiana Ledé:Okay, well, let's hear the relationships. Let's hear the relationships. Break it down.

49:35Courtney Miller:Have I been eating crazy cakes? Am I off base? I really need to know. Have I been eating crazy cakes?

49:41Kiana Ledé:Am I going in the wind right now? Am I going in the wind right now? Am I eating crazy cakes?

49:48Courtney Miller:Am I eating crazy cakes? It's crazy cakes. I want to be eating crazy cakes. That sounds awesome.

49:54Kiana Ledé:Damn, Shane. Damn.

49:55Courtney Miller:Okay. Damn, I'm right.

49:57Kiana Ledé:Fuck, Shane wants that crazy cake.

50:00Courtney Miller:I go into Suzy. I go to one of the Suzy cakes. I'm like, do you guys have any crazy cakes? They're like, come to the back.

50:06Kiana Ledé:Yeah. They're like, dude, you're the one that reads Reddit stories.

50:10Courtney Miller:You read Reddit stories? I'm like.

50:12Kiana Ledé:Just the cakes, man. Just the cakes.

50:14Courtney Miller:Just show me the cakes. Becky is someone I have known for many years. We're in the same social circle, more like friends of friends, but we're not super close. It's really more like an acquaintance I run into from time to time. I do see them and hang out with them at gatherings probably three to four times per year, but I've never been to their house nor them to mine. I'm a single parent to an 11-year-old girl, and I received a call from Becky who has never called me in her life before this, asking if my daughter would do the honor of being a flower girl because there are no other young kids in her family.

50:46Courtney Miller:Side note, my daughter would eat that up. She'd love to be a flower girl. I asked for the wedding date and where it was, and she told me that it was at a winery in the middle of nowhere, almost two hours driving from where we live. But she also said that it's an extremely intimate wedding for family and a few very close friends. And unfortunately, there wouldn't be room for me at either the ceremony or reception. I'm sure you can understand.

51:10Kiana Ledé:Okay.

51:10Courtney Miller:I told her I'd have to look into it and call her back because honestly, I was too stunned to reply. Listen, I have zero problems not being invited to anyone's wedding. You do you and your day, no problem. But let me get this straight. Becky wants me to spend the time and money on getting a flower girl dress and shoes, drive my kid two hours away to a winery in the middle of nowhere, and drop her off unsupervised with a bunch of adults. And I should do what? Wait in the car? Wait down the road? Wait in the bathroom? Wait in the kitchen with the caterers? LOL. There isn't even a cafe within a 30-minute drive.

51:43Courtney Miller:Am I off base thinking this is just totally bonkers?

51:47Kiana Ledé:No, that's crazy.

51:48Courtney Miller:Totally bonkers.

51:49Kiana Ledé:FBI, open up.

51:50Courtney Miller:Yeah, I'm like, you're sketchy, dude.

51:52Kiana Ledé:Yes, can you send your child to this winery in the middle of nowhere, unsupervised, for us? Like, what? Yeah. That sounds insane. It's actually like, it's like gross. It's weird. We don't have kids here. Let me take yours. Dropping off a child.

52:09Courtney Miller:Yeah, your 11-year-old is going to be alone here with a bunch of adults they don't know.

52:13Kiana Ledé:At a winery where they're drinking.

52:15Courtney Miller:Yeah. This is atrocious.

52:18Kiana Ledé:No, that's awful. They want to cast a flower girl for a wedding and not even have a chaperone for this child. It's a child. Yeah.

52:27Courtney Miller:No, they're making Ikea man look really good right now.

52:30Kiana Ledé:Truly. Truly. A flower girl doesn't have to be a child. Let me just say, I would eat that up. I think it could be a sleigh. Honestly, no.

52:40Courtney Miller:Get the oldest person there. That's the epic move.

52:44Kiana Ledé:That's awesome. That's gorgeous. Have her in a goddess wrap fabric. And the flowers are not in a little basket. It's in those the fruit of the loom baskets. And she's like holding it under the arm. She's like, cornucopia. And she's so gorgeous. I'll do you one better.

52:59Courtney Miller:Get a Roomba. Let it just roll down.

53:01Kiana Ledé:It's going to suck them up, Shane. It's going to suck the flowers up.

53:05Courtney Miller:A reverse flower girl. Yeah. A reverse flower girl that eats them up.

53:10Kiana Ledé:And then you know what? It would eat them up. You know what Roombas use? You know what Roombas use to do that?

53:15Courtney Miller:What?

53:15Kiana Ledé:Sucking air. Those flowers will be gone in the wind.

53:20Courtney Miller:They use this wind.

53:22Kiana Ledé:No, I loved it. No, so, I'm thinking, guys. A beat. An upbeat clap.

53:28Courtney Miller:No, this is someone who I think has just maybe not been around kids in a long time. This is creepy as hell. They don't understand how kids work. They're just like, yeah, can we just grab that kid? Yeah.

53:36Kiana Ledé:Give us your kid for a few hours. My dream wedding has a kid. Just let that kid just run around.

53:40Courtney Miller:Yeah. Whatever. We'll give them some wine.

53:42Kiana Ledé:There are so many weddings with no flower girl. Like literally, if the child isn't significant, they're like, it's a really intimate wedding, except for this strange child who will be throwing plants.

53:52Courtney Miller:They're calling up someone they talk to three times a year. They're going, yo, can I borrow your kid for my wedding?

54:01Kiana Ledé:Absolutely fucking not. I'm actually thinking about that now too. Like somebody that you see three times a year and just being like, can I have your stranger kid? I don't think I do it.

54:12Courtney Miller:It's like, who are you marrying? And she's like, oh, my husband's name is William Afton. She's like, yeah, I know. Yeah, no.

54:18Kiana Ledé:It's FNAF. It's FNAF. FNAF. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no. I'm like, yeah, okay, if my daughter wears a body cam, I'm not, like, that is so, that is so beyond weird. I'm reporting you. I'm recording you with my child's body cam. Yes.

54:36Courtney Miller:Comments, you're right. This is bonkers. I'd be saying no, no matter how much she would love being a flower girl. I would not be leaving my 11-year-old daughter alone with a bunch of people she didn't know who would be drinking. 7 ,000 upvotes.

54:49Kiana Ledé:Think about how scary that is to down the aisle. Like, just the flower girl being like, I don't know anyone.

54:55Courtney Miller:I mean, she said her daughter would be cool with it. But the person asking does not know anything about this daughter. They're just like, yeah, random kid. Yeah. Come on. Absolutely not. Of course, like, I would never want to put a kid in that situation.

55:10Kiana Ledé:No, and I'm sure, too, the mom is speaking in a way of, like, she would love to be the flower girl surrounded by maybe her relatives, surrounded by, like, people that she knows and is comfortable with, but put her in, like, a strange environment, and she's probably like, why am I putting flowers on the ground right now? But also, like, not even having supervision. Like, 11 is not even old enough to babysit a younger sibling when the parents are away. Like, that shouldn't be, like...

55:34Courtney Miller:11 is arguably kind of the worst age to be stuck at a wedding by yourself. Because you're not like a little tiny kid that doesn't like.

55:40Kiana Ledé:No, it's happening. You're 11.

55:41Courtney Miller:You're definitely like, what the hell am I doing at this wedding?

55:43Kiana Ledé:Yeah.

55:44Courtney Miller:But you're also like not a teenager where you're just like, I don't know. That would suck.

55:49Kiana Ledé:That would suck. I'm side-eyeing this family until the end of time. I'd be like, you guys are sketchy. Are you on a list? I like that she, I just feel like I have to make note of it. I like that she was like, let me get back to you. Instead of just like immediately emotionally reacting and being like, hold on. Is this, am I crazy? And now she has the full wherewithal hopefully to call back and be like, no, definitely not. Absolutely not.

56:17Courtney Miller:Someone else said, it's also a red flag that the bride supposedly doesn't have anyone closer to her with kids than OP, who's an acquaintance. If they don't have any kids in their life, why would they want a random one in their wedding photos? Someone said, I think the red flag isn't that she doesn't know anyone with kids, but rather that she wants a child that she doesn't know at all to be part of her wedding for the sake of aesthetics. A child is not your prop. And yeah, obviously not knowing that kids don't just attend weddings on their own is daft. I 100 % agree that the kid would be completely ignored once their duty was done.

56:49Courtney Miller:Someone else said, I would suspect OP's daughter is a beautiful child and this entitled bride wants the appearance of a picture-perfect wedding because all of the possibilities are creepy or just weird.

56:59Kiana Ledé:Right.

56:59Courtney Miller:Someone said your daughter is not a prop for her Instagram wedding. Yeah. Exactly. I would hope that that's the reason.

57:06Kiana Ledé:Yeah, yeah. I would say that it's the aesthetics as well. Likely she wants like that cutie aww moment when the flower girl comes out and she wants everyone to be like amazed at it. And it's just like you can't get that.

57:17Courtney Miller:No.

57:18Kiana Ledé:You don't have a kid.

57:19Courtney Miller:Update.

57:20Kiana Ledé:Let's go. Let's go. FBI open up. Boop, boop, boop. We're here with the wind. We're here in the wind.

57:28Courtney Miller:We have the wind with us. They say you're in the building. The wind is going to speak to you now. Honey.

57:36Kiana Ledé:Honey.

57:37Courtney Miller:Sorry. Okay.

57:40Kiana Ledé:Sorry, she's in the wind.

57:41Courtney Miller:She's in the wind. In the wind. So this text message string is from a few months ago, and I'm just getting around to posting the updates.

57:49Kiana Ledé:We got screenshots. We got text messages.

57:54Courtney Miller:All right. OP writes Unfortunately we are unavailable at that time Sending warm wishes that your wedding Is everything you've dreamed of And wish you both the best in your new life together Congratulations

58:07Kiana Ledé:Classy Scott Free.

58:10Courtney Miller:They write back, for real? Two question marks? You're busy over a year from now? Just say you don't want to do it or are broke. Just say you don't want to do it or are a brokie, lol. I was trying to do something nice and include your kid in my day, and you can't even be honest? So rude. I don't know why you're acting like this. OP writes back, come again? WTF? Steph, I tried to take the high road, but you had to push it. So let's get this straight. You asked me to dress up my 11-year-old child, spend time and money to drive her two hours away to a remote winery and hand her off unsupervised to a group of adults she doesn't know just so she can perform in your ceremony, while I, checks notes, wait alone outside like the hired help.

58:58Courtney Miller:Let's call it what it is. What you are asking for is a prop, a glorified Insta accessory, not a guest, not an actual human being. I decline politely and you accuse me of being rude? What the fuck? What's rude is treating my child like a decorative accessory, a fucking prop. If that's not bad enough right there, but then you add acting entitled to her presence without extending even the most basic respect to her parent. The fact that you don't even see a problem with this is exactly why the answer is no.

59:26Kiana Ledé:Yeah, bitch!

59:28Courtney Miller:Seriously, what the fuck are you thinking? You are completely delusional. Please stop texting because you can fuck right off. I won't change my mind. Okay.

59:38Kiana Ledé:My queen.

59:40Courtney Miller:They continue to write, reader, I have to confess that the two glasses of Cabernet Dragon woke up inside me. Yes! Hell yeah, I did. Yes, she was drinking a cab. And I kind of went off on a rant. Was it my finest moment? Absolutely not. Did I say fuck right off near the end? Yep, that was me. Yes! And I blame the wine and the fucking audacity of, well, all of it. On the plus side, she never replied and it has been months, so I assume the role of unpaid child actor went to central casting and this episode is closed.

1:00:07Kiana Ledé:Wow. Holy shit. Wow. Yeah, they went to Central Cast

1:00:12Courtney Miller:and got someone who's over 18 to play younger.

1:00:14Kiana Ledé:Yes, of course, of course. Hey, you know what? I am interested. Wow.

1:00:18Courtney Miller:You can get a Rasha.

1:00:19Kiana Ledé:And I will do it. What in the world? That's so crazy.

1:00:24Courtney Miller:To see actual texts and be like, damn, this isn't fake.

1:00:29Kiana Ledé:Yeah.

1:00:30Courtney Miller:Does someone really did this?

1:00:31Kiana Ledé:Fake for real? For real? For real. Just tell me if you're a brokie. There's going to be so many casting directors at this wedding. This is an incredible opportunity for your daughter. Hate that. Hate that. Hate that.

1:00:45Courtney Miller:Wow.

1:00:46Kiana Ledé:Okay, so she sucks.

1:00:47Courtney Miller:She's awful.

1:00:48Kiana Ledé:Yeah. We love a woman who's mad after a couple of glasses of wine. Yes, we do. Yes, we do. Cabernet Dragon. Send a link.

1:00:57Courtney Miller:Do not talk to any woman after she said two glasses of wine. You're not going to get. No. Just you wait.

1:01:02Kiana Ledé:No. You love me when I'm hangry.

1:01:04Courtney Miller:But you hate me when I'm two glasses of Cabernet Dragon. You hate me.

1:01:10Kiana Ledé:And that's our speech.

1:01:12Courtney Miller:And that's why Brent and Sydney, you guys are the best.

1:01:19Kiana Ledé:I'll get out of here. Still better than the Ikea best man.

1:01:27Kiana Ledé:You guys are.

1:01:29Courtney Miller:So, Brent, when you went to Chili's and you ordered the Triple Dipper, but you only found, you found the one.

1:01:35Kiana Ledé:And then, but I'll always be there to finish your meals because I love you. I love drunk speeches. You're sitting in the crowd and you're like, okay, yay. Happy birthday.

1:01:50Courtney Miller:I would pay, I would pay money to go to a wedding where the bride and groom are giving those types of speeches to each other that are so atrocious. Oh, yeah. Where it's like, babe, you're so freaking hot. You know, just one of, yeah. Yeah. Where she, and she's just like, Brett. She's like, oh. Yeah, I can't wait to make you pancake. For sure, babe. She's like, yeah, babe.

1:02:12Kiana Ledé:Don't we do a time to laugh a bit of that? Did we? Oh, yeah. You say stupid shit, and you're just like.

1:02:19Courtney Miller:Yeah.

1:02:20Kiana Ledé:Yes. Yes.

1:02:21Courtney Miller:Oh, it's the best.

1:02:22Kiana Ledé:Thanks for letting me game.

1:02:25Courtney Miller:Letting me game with my boy.

1:02:26Kiana Ledé:I want to go to pound time with you and then play Skyrim after.

1:02:30Courtney Miller:And she's like. Oh, my God. All right, we have to move on. Okay.

1:02:38Kiana Ledé:We need more. Our next story comes from relationship advice.

1:02:43Courtney Miller:He won't dance at our fucking wedding. I think I found my deal breaker. Oh. It's a 25-year-old woman and a 30-year-old man. Oh. We've been together five years. We're engaged, planning a wedding, and he won't dance. Says he doesn't want to. He's even pushing for choosing a venue that has no capacity for dancing at all.

1:03:06Kiana Ledé:What? No capacity for dancing? He can't dance. No capacity for dancing. This still doesn't exist.

1:03:10Courtney Miller:At our wedding, I know I meant to offer a backstory about our relationship, but this is it. Our entire relationship in a nutshell. I want to do something because it's important to me and would take mere minutes of his time, and he won't do it because it's lame slash boring slash annoying. He is physically and mentally capable of dancing. He just doesn't want to. The same way he doesn't want to do the dishes or cook dinner or clean. Oh.

1:03:33Kiana Ledé:Oh. So wait. We're going to back up on that. So you're getting married or something?

1:03:38Courtney Miller:The second he wants to do something, we do it. No questions asked. I learned to ski for him. I put up with his family. I host parties I don't want for people I don't like because he wants me to. And yes, he does dance at those. I know. I do all I can to make sure his life is improved by having me in it because I want him to be happy. And I have asked for one fucking thing, to dance with my husband at our wedding over a year from now. And he doesn't want to. And any push for him to do it leads to him saying I'm pressuring him to do something he doesn't want to do. Despite the rant, I do love him.

1:04:14Courtney Miller:He's a good partner and we want the same things. And we've been together for years and he loves me, but he won't dance with me at our fucking wedding. How do I tell him that this is important to me and I need him to do this for me without making him feel pressured?

1:04:27Kiana Ledé:What in the world? Pressured to go like this?

1:04:31Courtney Miller:Cue back to what we were saying earlier of girls posting their boyfriends and being like, yeah, so he doesn't clean the dishes and he doesn't respect me. And then another, like, the second post is, guys, stop leaving hate in the comments. He's great.

1:04:43Kiana Ledé:He loves me.

1:04:44Courtney Miller:He actually loves me.

1:04:45Kiana Ledé:She led with that, too. She was like, guys, this is what he's doing. And he's done this our whole relationship. by the way. Like, she's like, this is the entire tone of our relationship, by the way. It doesn't sound like it's been a deal breaker for this person, but it should be. The wedding is the most important time to show up for your partner, arguably. For a lot of people, it can be. So, if he can't do this one thing that he does at other weddings?

1:05:12Courtney Miller:She posted this on relationship advice. And I'm like, what advice are you seeking right now? Because you give us all this shit, and you go, But I do love him and he's actually great. I'm like, what response do you want here?

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1:07:15Kiana Ledé:And just because I could see from her standpoint of possibly reasoning her way out of breaking up with this man, of just thinking like, oh, maybe he is right. Like I am, again, pressuring him or I'm asking him to do something that's uncomfortable. She has enough evidence, I think, to make the decision of no weight. Like he's dancing at other weddings and he's not doing things like household chores that make them on an equal plane. Like that feels enough to where she should. But maybe that's the gap. That's where she's struggling is validating herself and feeling confident in separating from him.

1:07:52Kiana Ledé:I'm sure he shows up in lots of other ways and she's not just listing that. I hope so. So that's probably what like masks over everything.

1:07:59Courtney Miller:Yeah, it's hard though. I have to assume there's a bunch that she's not telling us. Of course. Because what she's saying is he does all the stuff he wants to do but never wants to do anything for me. And I'm like, well, if that's your—she says at the beginning, too, that's our relationship in a nutshell. And I'm like, so it's bad.

1:08:16Kiana Ledé:Yeah.

1:08:17Courtney Miller:So you're telling us it's not good.

1:08:19Kiana Ledé:Yeah. Like she's being a good partner, but he isn't. Yeah. Yeah, he's not there for her. She's making sacrifices for him, but he's not willing to do that. I also think it's just like knowing that he does dance at other gatherings and stuff that are when it's on his terms. It feels like he's making this choice control move. Like I will not dance at our wedding. Like because I've been in a relationship where someone denies me a thing because they know they almost find it funny that it hurts me so much. That they deny me this one thing that is as simple as dancing at a thing. And also I like I relate to a lot of this.

1:08:54Kiana Ledé:Like, she's like, I learned to ski for him. I put up with his family. I hear that, and I'm like, oh, so is he not even willing to, like, get to know your family? Like, and you guys are about to merge families? Like, I'm obviously, like, I have a personal bias in this one, so I'm reading into it. But, like, oof. A wedding is, it's an important time. And, like, some people get premarital counseling to, like, make sure they're doing the right thing.

1:09:20Courtney Miller:Yeah.

1:09:21Kiana Ledé:Yeah. I think I would suggest that, too. Yeah, I mean, because I think what also she's saying is like, should I make this a deal breaker could mean a couple of things at once. It means should I really hold strong to this and make him choose? Or is it like, is this the reason that I break up with him? It's kind of like it feels like it's both of those things. That's exactly what I was thinking as well of like, it seems like it's building up. The wedding is approaching. And now she's like, now would be a great time for someone to give me permission to get out of this if possible. especially because dancing seems to be like at least dancing at the wedding it's something that she's clearly valuing and she's like well this I really really want so now I finally have to ask the question should I separate?

1:10:03Courtney Miller:Yeah.

1:10:03Kiana Ledé:Yeah because it's not about the dancing. Obviously dancing is fun and nice but it's like it's clearly like oh you don't see how much when something is important to me how it should be important to you too and like yeah I hear you on like is this my reason? and is it okay that this is my reason to back out? But it's like, being married and getting married is a big thing. You don't have to have a reason. If you don't feel ready, you don't feel ready. But I think the counseling is a great option, honestly. It doesn't have to be an end-all, be-all of like, okay, great, you're not dancing, that's it.

1:10:36Kiana Ledé:But it can be a conversation of like, so I've noticed this pattern. With this, particularly, it's really important to me. I'd really like to figure out this stuff before we get married. and then in counseling you can actually break it down. You might hear more situations or experiences that he's having and that might be enough to be like, okay, I can make this decision and not go through with the wedding.

1:11:01Courtney Miller:Yeah. A few comments here. Someone put in the quotations. The same way he doesn't want to do the dishes or cook dinner or clean. That's a bigger deal breaker for me. OP said, I can live with that. It's annoying, but he does earn slightly more and works an extra half an hour each day, plus commute while I work from home. And he's terrible at all forms of housework, so I figured that was just something I would have to live with and accommodated for.

1:11:26Kiana Ledé:No, he works an extra half hour? So I figured that was just something

1:11:30Courtney Miller:I would have to live with and accommodated for it. But this is just, no, this is the limit. This comment was downvoted, no surprise. Yeah. Someone said, I understand you love him, but do you like him? Can you happily picture yourself sacrificing your happiness, your mental well-being, your time just to not upset a grown man over the fact he doesn't want to do the dishes. It sounds more like you're his mom, to be honest, whether he's aware of what he's doing or not. I think this is the moment where you realize that no matter how much you give for him, he won't do the same for you, even if it's small.

1:12:01Courtney Miller:I would consider postponing the wedding until you are on equal footing to the point you can ask him to do his part, and you feel like even your smallest requests are met with respect. OP said, I like him most of the time. He's charming and funny, and we're really compatible, but he can be such a pain in the arse when he wants to be. I do 95 % of the housework because he either doesn't want to do things or he does them so badly that I have to fix it. I feel like his mother some days because of that. But then he apologizes and puts in an effort around the house and eventually he slips back.

1:12:32Kiana Ledé:I'm gone in the wind. I'm gone in the wind. Can we unpack this a little bit? Can we just unpack that a little bit? Like just he doesn't want to or is bad at them, which is a weaponized incompetence. and she's like, well, he makes a little bit more money than me. She still works. Just because she works from home does not dismiss that she has a job. And so she's falling into a dynamic of male privilege. Sorry, guys. I'm saying the word of like, well, because he doesn't want to, I'm going to assume this role, which people fall into, and not everybody wants to be in that role, and it sounds like she isn't satisfied with that role.

1:13:10Like, ooh.

1:13:13Kiana Ledé:Yeah. And it doesn't sound like she wants to be in that dynamic forever, but she's fallen into a dynamic of he's in charge and he's in control. And yeah. Yeah. That first comment was really big for me. Honestly, I think I really like that that person just quoted it and said that would be a bigger deal breaker for me.

1:13:32Courtney Miller:Yeah.

1:13:33Kiana Ledé:Because that then doesn't also put words in OP's mouth.

1:13:36Courtney Miller:Right.

1:13:37Kiana Ledé:And it doesn't say, you know, you should do this or like, you know, tell him this. Because you're right. Like, not everybody wants that role. Some people do. Some people are fine with it, yeah. I think the best advice that this person should take, in my opinion, would be to just, like, reflect on her personal values and actually understand what she's looking for in a partner. If what she says is true, that that stuff doesn't bother her, like, that's totally fine. Exactly. Right. But then, like, why is the dancing a bigger issue? What's the difference there? and really try to dissect. And I don't want to say negotiate because it's not like a business deal, but compromise maybe.

1:14:13Kiana Ledé:Communicate with your partner and be like, these are the things that are important to me. I understand that you don't want to do these things and I don't mind doing them, but can we do this?

1:14:21Courtney Miller:This is reading to me like one of the stories where we'll get an update and she will then reveal the worst things that he's done, right? Because right now this is sounding very controlling and you mentioned male privilege and it seems very much like his values are that he is first priority here. He gets to do all his stuff. She's not allowed to get her stuff. And that's just what he sees as being right. That he gets to determine the rules of everything. And a lot of it, you know, it's like, it's the unfortunate thing where maybe he's dumb and really bad at housework, but also a lot of people very carefully, you know, it's the weaponized incompetence, very carefully and strategically do everything to make the relationship super cushy for them.

1:15:03Kiana Ledé:Yes.

1:15:04Courtney Miller:And this is just coming across as a real lack of respect for her.

1:15:08Kiana Ledé:Yeah.

1:15:08Courtney Miller:If what she's saying is true.

1:15:10Kiana Ledé:Yes. I saw a TikTok that was basically that too. I'm sure you guys maybe saw it too because it went really viral. It was like this guy like folding a blanket while his wife was like cleaning the rest of the room. And he was just like sort of pretending not to like, he was like folding it and then like unfolding it and just like doing that for like 15 minutes. Oh my God. And she was cleaning like the rest of the room. and then at the very end, she comes over and grabs the blanket and folds it in three seconds and puts it down. And all the comments were like, hey, girly, he's doing that on purpose.

1:15:43Kiana Ledé:Oh my God. He's 100 % weaponized incompetence is what you said? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that feels exactly like that. He just was pretending to struggle so he wouldn't have to do anything.

1:15:53Courtney Miller:And then her next post was like, guys, he's really great most of the time.

1:15:56Kiana Ledé:He cooks really well.

1:15:57Courtney Miller:Yeah. Another comment said, ask him what the difference between dancing at the parties you have been at versus your wedding. Why doesn't he feel comfortable? What's the difference? OP said, I already asked him that thinking that it was the amount of attention or the setting or if he thought he'd be a mess on the day. And I suggested compromises to help with these potential issues. Like us dancing alone for the first 30 seconds to one minute and then having other couples come to the floor or letting him choose the song or literally just standing in one spot and swaying without moving our feet.

1:16:28Kiana Ledé:Just get a little drunk. Let the music flow through you.

1:16:31Courtney Miller:But he just says he doesn't want to, and dancing at weddings is dumb slash lame.

1:16:35Kiana Ledé:That's a lot.

1:16:36Courtney Miller:Yeah, it's just.

1:16:37Kiana Ledé:Why are you getting married if you think it's dumb? It's just like there's no, it's what you said. You're just not caring for your partner to be happy at all. If you know that this would make your partner smile, naturally I feel like you would be like, oh, then let me do this to make them happy. Right. And this person's like, no, I don't want to.

1:16:55Courtney Miller:Yeah, that's not someone you want to marry. Like, that's not love. It is not. Not respect.

1:17:00Kiana Ledé:No.

1:17:01Courtney Miller:Update.

1:17:03Kiana Ledé:You were holding on to that.

1:17:06Courtney Miller:This was posted three days later.

1:17:09Kiana Ledé:Three days. Three days. Three days. A lot can happen in three days. You could be gone in the wind. You could be so gone.

1:17:16Courtney Miller:So my ex-fiance. Uh-oh.

1:17:20Kiana Ledé:Uh-oh. Who's dancing now? Uh-oh.

1:17:26Courtney Miller:So my ex-fiancee got dragged through the fucking mud on my first post, and I say that in the most grateful way possible. I was alternating between defending him and resignation in the comments, but I ultimately decided to hash this out with him, thinking that if I restated how important dancing at our wedding was to me, along with a few other issues the first post brought up, such as me doing overwhelming majority of the housework, and made clear that I was thinking of leaving, he might fully get the gravity of the situation, and he would either shape up or ship out. And I think that from the tone of this post and the title, you can tell which one he chose to do.

1:17:59Courtney Miller:He was actually angry that I dared to tell him I needed things to be more balanced between us. I said it needed to be give and take on both sides, not just me giving and him taking. And he said, I can't just change everything about us right before, over a year, our wedding. He took the ring back and went to stay with his family. The breakup happened on the same day as my post, so 1st of October. I felt really lonely the last couple days. So yesterday, the third, I asked a few girlfriends to come over tonight. The fourth, for a meal or a drink or a movie or whatever. Two of the four people I invited didn't respond at all.

1:18:35Courtney Miller:The third was really hostile. And the fourth asked if I was aware that my ex was telling people he caught me cheating on. And showed me some screenshots of an Instagram and Facebook post he made. I have a childhood friend, a guy who I reconnected with last year. We never dated, but we're always close and fooled around once or twice as teens. And my ex had said he was fine with us being friends, but now he's saying that we were sleeping together. I've told the friends I contacted that what really happened. And while two of them have accepted that, the other two have left me on read. I've not even checked my own social media because I have no clue what I'll find.

1:19:10Courtney Miller:Show the Reddit post. I might need advice again. Any ideas on what to do about this? regarding my ex, my friend who's been being accused, or the mutual friends that my ex has apparently already told. All right, so...

1:19:22Kiana Ledé:Show them the Reddit post. Show them the Reddit post. Yeah, send the link. It's literally time-stamped. Dang, they broke up on Angela's birthday.

1:19:29Courtney Miller:Well, this fully turned into what we expected. He's awful.

1:19:35Kiana Ledé:Yeah, bullet dodged.

1:19:35Courtney Miller:Probably was doing worse shit to her.

1:19:38Kiana Ledé:No, just making up that she cheated. What a child. He did that immediately, too. Yeah, so quick with it. He was so ashamed and embarrassed.

1:19:47Courtney Miller:Well, he was just like, how dare you ask for things?

1:19:49Kiana Ledé:How dare you is insane.

1:19:50Courtney Miller:Yeah.

1:19:51Kiana Ledé:Like any benefit of the doubt just completely dissipated.

1:19:54Courtney Miller:There's one comment here, and it's a big one. What he did as far as accusing you of sleeping with this friend is inexcusable. He cannot hold his own self accountable for the failures in your relationship. Your friends should know your character and have responded as so. If they didn't, they weren't friends or they didn't know you as well as you thought they did. Don't worry about what those people think. You've spoken your piece and there's not much you can do about their reaction. You know your truth and that's what matters. Your ex is behaving like a child and I hope you can move on and find someone who is more emotionally intelligent.

1:20:25Courtney Miller:I'm sorry you're going through this, but I'm glad you didn't marry him. Your future sounds like it would have been a nightmare. OP said, I think he knows how unreasonable he's being, so he decided to make this bullshit up so he's the good guy to our friends. I'm glad too. I was expecting to be devastated if we ever split, but when he took the ring, I felt almost lighter. I can't really explain it. Not better exactly, but lighter.

1:20:47Kiana Ledé:Good. Yeah. I know that feeling. Oh, my God. Wow.

1:20:50Courtney Miller:Well, that sucks.

1:20:52Kiana Ledé:I mean, that just proves his point. If what she's asking is so crazy, then just tell people that. Just tell them the truth of why you guys broke up. Yeah. I mean, the Reddit post, again, like, it is exactly what was going on. Yeah. and that's just yeah the biggest bullet dodged yeah and it sucks about the friends too but that is a great point of like I feel like if I saw something like that about my friend I wouldn't be so quick to just be like they're done I feel like I would also want to hear their side of it especially if they reached out and were like hey girls night like need some help whatever I'd be like let's go get the scoop let's figure out what actually happened instead of just yeah

1:21:34Courtney Miller:I agree yeah Yeah.

1:21:35Kiana Ledé:I think it's important for people to do that. Boy! Boy! Jeez. That's really rough. I feel bad for her. Yeah.

1:21:44Courtney Miller:I mean, I feel really bad, but I'm glad she is out of that.

1:21:48Kiana Ledé:I think she, like, deep down knew. Because, like, to turn to Reddit with something like this, like... Yeah. Yeah. Oof. That's rough. But she's out now. She's been new.

1:21:57Courtney Miller:I have a feeling if he's willing to turn to something that extreme, she's probably been pretty gaslit in that relationship. and so she's like thinking she's crazy all the time. Yeah. 100%. And then like you just look like this angry, like angry girlfriend when really it's like, hey, you're being mistreated all the time. Yeah. And this imbalance. And then he just goes off and says like, yeah, she cheated on this ex. He was aware of like this person that he could perfectly stage this whole situation.

1:22:23Kiana Ledé:And if she, it sounds like she doesn't have that many friends or like that strong of a support system. So she probably wasn't able to ask other people of like, is this okay? and what I'm being told, what not.

1:22:34Courtney Miller:I mean, we know nothing about it, but I just, yeah, damn. All right, moving on to our final story. This is not necessarily a story. We have a game to play here. Oh. If you're listening, I will do my best to describe the images that we're about to see. This comes from Wedding Shaming. Wedding guest wore custom-made gown.

1:22:59Kiana Ledé:Oh, okay.

1:23:00Courtney Miller:This is mostly a photo post, so we're going to play a game. Guess who the bride is.

1:23:06Kiana Ledé:No. Yes. Oh, my God. It's like siblings are dating, but it's bride or guest. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

1:23:12Courtney Miller:So for listeners, all right. For listeners, we have two women here.

1:23:17Kiana Ledé:Can I describe the dresses? Okay.

1:23:18Courtney Miller:Courtney will describe these dresses.

1:23:20Kiana Ledé:Can I help? Can I help? Yes, yes, yes. We know. You know, like, the word, like, scallops and... Uh-oh. Okay. Okay. Okay, let's start with the right. Okay, so we have a dress on the left. Okay, yes, yes, and we have a left one. Oh, you said on the right, you said on the right. No, that's good, now let's start on the left, yep. Okay, we have a knee length white, maybe satin, maybe cotton looking gown, like a nice, but it's like a very plain, simple material. Maybe cinched at the waist with some rhinestones. Looks like some rhinestones. But very small, not too shiny. The bodice is fitted, has like some seams at the front.

1:24:00Kiana Ledé:It's like almost like a corset kind of vibe. Maybe like, I think I'm seeing like sheer sleeves. Yeah, it has like tank top straps, but it seems like it's connected to sheer material as a long sleeve. And then there's a cuff. A cuff. So it's a long sleeve dress, but the sleeve part is sheer.

1:24:21Kiana Ledé:And there's diamonds. And the other gown. Yes, the other one, the other one.

1:24:26Courtney Miller:It's like a beige.

1:24:28Kiana Ledé:It's off-white. Beige tan, maybe. Off the shoulder. A lot of texture. It's kind of like mermaid scale pattern, but it's not the tiny. It's big. They look like giant. Yes. Like beaded sequin. It goes all the way down, and there seems to be somewhat of a veil. A train of some type, yeah. Yes, yes, sorry, a train.

1:24:52Courtney Miller:It is extravagant. Yes. I will say the off-white one looks like something you'd see at the Oscars.

1:24:57Kiana Ledé:And it's not like a ball gown. Oh, yes, I thought you meant the other one. I was like, the other one's maybe homecoming.

1:25:02Courtney Miller:The one looks like a wedding dress, but like a simple...

1:25:05Kiana Ledé:It reminds me of what I wore when I eloped with you, where it's like simple, cute, and then the one on the right, it's not like a ball gown or an A-line, but it's like a fitted kind of gown, straight down. It's giving red carpet. It really is giving red carpet. The glam bot would eat it up. Yes. Yes. Okay, so gonna take a wild guess.

1:25:27Courtney Miller:I mean, I think I know who the bride is.

1:25:30Kiana Ledé:I hope. The photographer. Yeah. I hope, well, it sucks. Either way, it sucks. Either way, it's bad. I mean, one technically isn't as bad. It's unfortunate. The other one is, like, because if it's not, at least it's not white. But. Oh, no.

1:25:48Courtney Miller:I think that's, it's so insane.

1:25:50Kiana Ledé:Either way, it's bad.

1:25:51Courtney Miller:It's bad either way, right?

1:25:53Kiana Ledé:I think the least worst option, so like the better option, is the one in white is the bride.

1:25:59Courtney Miller:I, yeah, there's not one that's good. Yeah. Because either way, you wore white, and that's such a faux pas. Right. Or you wore the most insane, like, sight-stealing dress you could possibly wear.

1:26:13Kiana Ledé:Truly, truly.

1:26:14Courtney Miller:Like, really, this is like, oh, this is like Met Gala. It's gorgeous.

1:26:18Kiana Ledé:And it looks like a wedding choice. Some people like to do white, some people like ivory or beige. People do this.

1:26:25Courtney Miller:It's like, man, if you have a dress like that, why are you wearing it to someone else's wedding? Save that for the event of your life. Save it for your own.

1:26:32Kiana Ledé:My God. Yes. Oh, God. Who is it? So this is mean either way. The train is crazy if you're not the bride.

1:26:39Courtney Miller:I guess, okay. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

1:26:43Kiana Ledé:The train is crazy if you're not the bride. I'm loving you. The train is the bride.

1:26:47Courtney Miller:So you're thinking white is the simple white? Now, here's what's going on. Maybe this is what happened. Maybe she knew that the bride was wearing off-white or beige or tan and was like, oh, well, I'll wear white because they're not wearing white. Yes, yes, yes, yes.

1:27:02Kiana Ledé:Oh, perfect. I'm not saying it's great.

1:27:07Courtney Miller:I'm saying that's the best possible scenario.

1:27:10Kiana Ledé:That is the best possible option because the train has to be the bride. I swear to God. I swear to God, Shane. If the train ain't the bride. Shane.

1:27:16Courtney Miller:White is the bride.

1:27:18Kiana Ledé:The train is on the gas? No! I am so sorry. Uh-uh. Uh-uh.

1:27:26Courtney Miller:The girl in white is the bride. This is a gas.

1:27:31Kiana Ledé:A custom gown? And we have one of the photos. Oh! Oh! Girlie! Uh-oh!

1:27:40Courtney Miller:What the hell, bro? What the hell? That is mean.

1:27:43Kiana Ledé:I'm dead in all caps. Left is the bride. Okay. Left is the bride.

1:27:47Courtney Miller:Text from the original post. She doubled down and made a Facebook post about how women shouldn't tear each other down.

1:27:53Kiana Ledé:Oh my God. Says the queen of mugging. How dare she wear a train.

1:28:00Courtney Miller:No one hates you more than the women who can't compete with you. They watch your every move, talk nonstop, because if they talked about themselves, no one would listen. Let them bark from behind. Real queens don't tear each other down. Only mistresses do. Let's shine, babe. Keeps being pretty.

1:28:19Kiana Ledé:Okay. Literally not even eloquent in the slightest. That all sounded so awful.

1:28:27Courtney Miller:It makes you, yeah, it makes her, I mean, she is awful.

1:28:31Kiana Ledé:Girl, why did you need a custom gown to a wedding that you are not getting married to? First, I'm like, okay, if you had a gown that you were supposed to wear at this other event, it happened to need to be customized. You didn't do that thing.

1:28:41Courtney Miller:How much is a custom dress like that, you think?

1:28:43Kiana Ledé:Oh, God, thousands. Thousands. It's got to be.

1:28:46Courtney Miller:Oh, my God.

1:28:46Kiana Ledé:At least 1 ,000 stars. No, and she knew what she was doing. She knew. No. Because she went on Instagram and was like, don't fight me.

1:28:54Courtney Miller:Well, she was able to buy this custom dress from all the money and gifts that she stole from her fake wedding. You're right.

1:29:02Kiana Ledé:Yes, she's back from in the wind.

1:29:05Courtney Miller:Yes. Comments. Someone said, that's a gorgeous dress, but I thought she was the bride. 10 ,000 upvotes. Someone said, I hate the fact that I love that dress. Honestly, it would be amazing in any situation other than a wedding and maybe a funeral. I don't know why she would dim her own shine by wearing it at someone else's wedding and becoming the bad guy. Yeah. Instead of waiting for a different, more socially acceptable event to break it out.

1:29:29Kiana Ledé:Well said.

1:29:30Courtney Miller:Oh, what the hell? Some people really go to far lengths just to, like, make other people feel like shit. Right.

1:29:36Kiana Ledé:No, it's actually making me think that that is the goal. Like, some people just, like, rage baiting. They genuinely want to be talked about like that. And that her Facebook post is projecting big time. Oh, yeah. Exactly.

1:29:48Courtney Miller:One other comment. I found the post on Facebook and saw some pictures of her with her husband from the same wedding. And her husband was wearing a short-sleeved button-down shirt with slacks.

1:29:58Kiana Ledé:Uh-oh.

1:29:58Courtney Miller:Like, he looked well put together and everything, but definitely a different vibe than the red carpet-worthy custom gown this main character wore. Honestly, based on the bride's dress, his outfit was probably more in line with the wedding dress code.

1:30:10Kiana Ledé:Oh, yeah. No, his sounds closer to the vibe. Yeah. Like, she should have taken the train off at the very least. The train is inappropriate. I can't believe the bride even took a photo with her. I would be like, get out. I think she took that photo on purpose. Be like, hey guys, look at this asshole.

1:30:28Courtney Miller:No, this sounds like the bride was like, you know, this person bullied me in high school, but we seem cool now and maybe I'll bring her. And it's like, oh no, you're the same person.

1:30:39Kiana Ledé:Yeah.

1:30:40Courtney Miller:That sucks. Oh my God. Jesus.

1:30:43Kiana Ledé:Just a ton of people having to like turn the other cheek at their own wedding. Yeah. But no matter how much shit comes between them.

1:30:51Courtney Miller:They always stick together. Shit always comes out of the ass. Well, man, those were some weddings.

1:30:58Kiana Ledé:We did We Do's wedding wedding stories. We do.

1:31:03Courtney Miller:Thank you both for being here. And, you know, both weddings were so great. Your wedding, which was real.

1:31:11Kiana Ledé:Yes, that already happened.

1:31:13Courtney Miller:And that already happened.

1:31:15Kiana Ledé:Yes, and I just wanted to say that you love me when I'm hangry. And I do. I do. Oh, my God. We're married. We're married. Oh, my God.

1:31:31Courtney Miller:Before we go, we should let you know that the next few episodes are going to look a little different because Smosh is currently moving. We're moving studios, getting a new space. and so we're going to be in a temporary space for a while. It's going to look a little different for the next few weeks and then we'll be back in a new studio and maybe we're going to revamp it a little bit. Maybe I'll have a new chair.

1:31:53Kiana Ledé:We need to make sure it's contained for dancing.

1:31:56Courtney Miller:Yes. No dancing allowed in the next Reddit stories. But anyways, we'll see you next week, next Saturday. See you later.

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