Tony Hale on Brownie Sundaes, Microwave Potatoes & the Magic of Forky

24 Jun 2026 · 35 min · 24 chapters

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In short

Tony Hale discusses childhood and comfort-food memories tied to Southern malls and snacks, plus his stress-relief cooking during COVID. He also debates “bowl” meals vs separated components, shares fast-food/coffee preferences, and gives a rant on brownie sundaes.

Guest backgrounds

Tony Hale is an actor known for Gary Walsh on Veep, Buster Bluth on Arrested Development, and voicing Forky in Toy Story 5. He grew up in the South after being born in West Point, New York.

Key claims

Malls shaped his food nostalgia (Great American Cookie Company, Cinnabon, Panda Express Plus). Cooking helps manage stress because it forces focus and has a clear process. He avoids coffee due to stomach/acid reflux and prefers tea (yerba mate, London Fog). He likes simple, not “slop buckets,” and eats components separately.

Notable examples

microwave potatoes (7 minutes), Chipotle bowl (brown rice, lettuce, grilled veggies, chicken, no beans), Kava as “Chipotle for Greek,” craft services on Veep (peanut M&Ms), and brownie sundae build (vanilla ice cream, dense brownie, caramel, nuts, cherry, real or canned whipped cream).

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Chapters

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Growing Up with Food in the South

0:31 to 2:01

Tony discusses his upbringing in the South and its influence on his food experiences.

“So would you say, well first of all you were born in the North, right?”

Candy Necklaces and Childhood Memories

2:01 to 2:52

Recollections of childhood treats like candy necklaces and their nostalgia.

“I remember, you know, I don't know if you're like, because we're probably around the same age.”

Little Debbie Snacks and Family Secrets

2:52 to 4:00

Tony shares experiences around Little Debbie snacks and family food habits.

Mall Culture and Food Courts

4:00 to 5:30

Exploration of mall food culture, including favorite food court spots.

“And after every show, they'd have a cookie cake.”

The Great American Cookie Company Experience

5:30 to 7:27

Tony reminisces about the Great American Cookie Company and its significance in his life.

“Because when you peel it off, when you take that piece.”

The Evolution of Food Conversations

7:27 to 9:33

Discussion on how food talk has evolved from childhood to adulthood.

“well my daughter is 12 and is at Starbucks like after school getting some fake thing.”

Coffee Culture and Personal Preferences

9:33 to 11:34

Tony shares his relationship with coffee and his transition to tea.

“Was there a big difference, do you feel like, in the food culture of your younger childhood to your older childhood?”

Baking as Emotional Release

11:34 to 13:12

Tony discusses how he turned to baking during stressful times and the joy it brings.

“I know I'm a tea drinker, but it has to have a little caffeine.”

Cooking and Mindfulness

13:12 to 14:00

Exploration of cooking as a form of mindfulness and stress relief.

“And so I learned to cook and I would just search recipes and then it just, and I think that was the association of like, I was so just isolated.”

Low-Calorie Cooking Adventures

14:00 to 15:00

Tony discusses his experience with low-calorie recipes while preparing for a role.

“And, and I also was playing twins and one of the twins was kind of heavyset and one of them was supposed to be really fit, but I wasn't that fit, but I couldn't gain a lot of weight.”
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The Therapeutic Nature of Cooking

15:00 to 16:00

Exploring how cooking can alleviate stress and bring joy through its structured process.

“Yes, and a process where you get a payoff.”

Enjoying Meals: A Cultural Reflection

16:00 to 17:00

Tony reflects on the importance of enjoying meals and taking time to savor food.

“go to visit my sister in California, she lives in Northern California up by Sacramento.”

Chipotle Orders and Fast Food Preferences

17:00 to 18:20

A lighthearted discussion on favorite fast food orders and personal preferences.

“Okay, well, I just moved, obviously, to Birmingham.”

The Debate on Bowl Meals

18:20 to 19:20

Engaging in a conversation about the merits and drawbacks of bowl meals and fast food.

Microwave Potatoes and Comfort Food

19:20 to 21:10

Tony shares secrets to making quick and comforting microwave potatoes.

“Yeah, he just thinks that Americans have gotten so lazy that we just want to throw everything in a bowl and not enjoy things separated out.”

Chili on Potatoes: A Delicious Combo

21:10 to 22:20

Discussing the unexpectedly delightful combination of chili on potatoes.

“You know what's great is like I've gotten really into just throwing a potato in the microwave for seven minutes.”

Craft Services on Set: Food Experiences

22:20 to 23:10

Tony reminisces about craft services on various sets, comparing his experiences.

“It is also a great American potato model.”

Nostalgic Movie Snacks and Preferences

23:10 to 24:10

A discussion about favorite movie snacks and peculiar combinations.

“And so this is going to be a really hard question for me.”

Connection to Forky and Themes of Trash

24:10 to 26:40

Exploring the character Forky and the deeper messages of love and acceptance.

“Well, I, because I did listen, I have listened to your smart list.”

Voice Acting and On-Set Challenges

26:40 to 28:00

Tony discusses the unique challenges of voice acting and maintaining vocal health.

“And everybody was like, she's the villain.”

Voice Acting Insights and Personal Preferences

28:00 to 29:11

Learn about the nuances of voice acting and personal quirks related to food.

“But I also feel like the joy of shooting voice or doing voice acting or for a producer, I guess, is like people are in and out.”

The Great Brownie Sundae Debate

29:11 to 30:55

Tony Hale shares his passionate thoughts on the perfect brownie sundae.

“So if you have a rant about something you hate, you know, a profession of something you love, like, but you get 30 seconds to talk about something in your food universe that you've been dying to say to somebody.”

Chain Restaurants and Their Comforts

30:55 to 33:14

Discussion about the appeal of chain restaurants and personal experiences.

“Yeah, because if I want that sushi, they got it.”

Craft Services on Set

33:14 to 34:32

Exploring the importance of craft services in film and TV production.

“You'll have to spend the next few months remembering, and then we'll have you back on.”
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0:00Tony Hale:Also, nothing sadder than Tony Hale walking in a Trader Joe's in a different town and not buying anything, but just being in the familiar. So I'll walk around and I'll see the Hawaiian graphics.

0:11SNACKS! Host:Yes!

0:11Tony Hale:And I'll pick out the, I'll look at the snacks, oh this is, and walk right out.

0:15SNACKS! Host:Welcome to SNACKS, the show where we talk to your favorite celebrities about their craziest food obsessions. Today we have The Best Treat. He played Gary Walsh on Veep, he played Buster Bluth on Arrested Development, and now he's Forky in Toy Story 5. Please welcome the one and only Tony Hale. We'll be right back.

0:35SNACKS! Host:You grew up in the South.

0:36Tony Hale:I did. Seventh grade to senior year.

0:40SNACKS! Host:So would you say, well first of all you were born in the North, right?

0:42Tony Hale:Speaking of growing up in the South, that candy necklace around, that was big when I was in middle school. Do you want one to go? I never say no to free, yes.

0:52SNACKS! Host:Well we have a bunch for you and then you have a daughter too, you gotta take one for your daughter.

0:55Tony Hale:She's 20, yeah.

0:57SNACKS! Host:Do you think she'd still want one?

0:59Tony Hale:She wants it.

1:01SNACKS! Host:You're never schooled for a candy necklace. No. I don't feel like that.

1:04Tony Hale:It was a great invention. It was a great invention. And it stuck around.

1:06SNACKS! Host:Although there is nothing more disgusting than eating a candy necklace off your body.

1:11Tony Hale:That's a really good point. But don't you have like a core memory of people doing that in school? 100%. It's just like, hey man, hang, hang, hang. Yes, and chewing on it. Yes.

1:18SNACKS! Host:But also I have a core memory of handy cigarettes, which I'm like, who in the world decided it was so cool? So cool. Or like candy. We also had like those squeezy like candy cigar kind of thing that had like the juice inside.

1:34Tony Hale:And sometimes you just shared them.

1:36SNACKS! Host:Yeah. Oh, God. We were like, how did we not all die of some terrible something? It's a miracle. It's a real miracle. But you were born in the north, right?

1:43Tony Hale:I was born in West Point, New York. My dad went to West Point. Right. And he taught nuclear physics at West Point.

1:49SNACKS! Host:Oh, my gosh.

1:49Tony Hale:And I was his son.

1:51SNACKS! Host:Oh, my gosh. God bless. God, I love. You have a quirky sidekick who plays emasculated characters. But I do love that. But so did you grow up in a good food house?

2:00Tony Hale:Do you feel like good food house?

2:02SNACKS! Host:Like good snacks?

2:03Tony Hale:OK, I would say I do. I remember, you know, I don't know if you're like, because we're probably around the same age.

2:09SNACKS! Host:Yes. And I would say I grew up in New Jersey. OK, so I know you're Debbie's. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

2:15Tony Hale:And it was not all little. Well, OK. It was the zebra ones. Yes. And it was the Swiss cake rolls.

2:22SNACKS! Host:The Swiss cake. OK, listen, I got to be honest. I did not grow up in a good. I did not grow up in a good snack house. So because my parents were like older and I feel like they were not hip to like the times of like what cool food was like happening. Yeah. So we didn't have like food roll ups or lunch. We didn't have any cool stuff.

2:40Tony Hale:We just had an anti sugar house or was it just like a fake?

2:45SNACKS! Host:No, it wasn't anti sugar as much as it was just like they didn't know that this was what people were eating. you know like it was like cheerios and like we had like good basics but we didn't get like cool stuff that like like manufacturers were making but like so little debbies i feel like my dad would snuck um like he would eat cool stuff out of the house like i once i went to him i went with him to work once and he was like getting um you know those uh crumpet the crimpets the oh for little Debbie's the little Debbie and he like bought them like with a coffee once and I was like

3:23Tony Hale:I didn't know that like grown-ups could like get like 15 in a pack yes and but like he was like

3:28SNACKS! Host:eating cool stuff like that was to me was the coolest thing about being a grown-up was like

3:32Tony Hale:yeah he just had that freedom what oatmeal pies oh my gosh those were the best but the Swiss cake rolls it was a process you peeled off the chocolate layer yes and then you unrolled it because you

3:44SNACKS! Host:just wanted to like stretch the time yes a little bit at a time yeah um then you move to the south so but like in south to me feels like hardcore food bill hardcore foodville i think i mean i

3:58Tony Hale:immediately go to the mall like it was just a lot of mall time what was your mall food court yes tell me i need all your food places okay so great american cookie company do you know do you know what i'm talking about yes okay 100 on the west coast they did not know they've not known about it and it's a game changer yes i think they might have changed their icing recipe because it does

4:19SNACKS! Host:taste different but is there still a great american cookie company i'm so sorry well thank

4:23Tony Hale:you for asking because i would like to say this out loud yes there is there is one in birmingham alabama it's all over the south and a cookie cake is a staple so like for birthdays you would get a birthday cookie cake and it is so nostalgic for me because i grew up in this theater young actress Theater in Tallahassee, Florida, which was a really like special place for me. And after every show, they'd have a cookie cake. Everybody's birthday was a cookie cake. And you draw their name on it and the icing. It was a black and the icing was black and white. I don't want any other color on there, just black and white.

4:56Tony Hale:And it's just super comforting.

4:58SNACKS! Host:It's also, it's barely a cookie. You know what I mean? It's because it's not like it's blasphemy. I know. I know it's, but it's not It's something else entirely. Do you know what I mean?

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5:10Tony Hale:There's nothing organic about it.

5:12SNACKS! Host:No, but it's also like it doesn't have like a crack of a cookie. No crack. Right? It's like a chocolate chip sliceable casserole round. Or just dough. Dough.

5:24Tony Hale:Just flattened dough.

5:26SNACKS! Host:It 100 % is.

5:27Tony Hale:And it's so, I don't think they cook it long to their point. Because they probably don't want it. They don't want any crisp. No. Because when you peel it off, when you take that piece. You're peeling it. Exactly. Exactly. It's like a sticker.

5:38SNACKS! Host:Yes. Yes.

5:39Tony Hale:And it is a sticker with icing. Oh, my God. And it's delicious. So good. And now they sell them by the slice. And they also sell a double doozies where you can take two cookies with the icing in the middle. And it's so fantastic.

5:52SNACKS! Host:I just want to be there when somebody at the Great American Cookie Company is like, Buster from Arrested Development is here buying a cookie cake right now. Yeah. They're probably freaking out. I'm dying. All right, so what were your other mall places?

6:08Tony Hale:Okay, you always get a pizza slice at Sparrow.

6:11SNACKS! Host:Oh, of course. Classic.

6:13Tony Hale:There's always the, oh, what is the, it's the Chinese.

6:18SNACKS! Host:That gives you the samples. The samples, and it's always got orange chicken.

6:22Tony Hale:Yes. It's always got sweet and sour chicken.

6:24SNACKS! Host:What's the good, what's the. Bourbon chicken. Bourbon chicken. No, but what's the name of the, what's the name of the place?

6:29Tony Hale:It's something with. Panda Express. Panda Express. Plus. Plus. So good. Plus, still around. We're talking like it's dead. So good. But they now have stores. Yep. Stand-alones. Stand-alones. Yeah. You could get a drive-thru. Thank you. They really do. Well, malls are becoming a dying art. Yes. Which is very sad because it's just like all air-conditioned and joy. In the South. And that was a great thing in the South because you walked around in the air-conditioned.

6:54SNACKS! Host:But it's also freedom for kids, right? It's freedom for kids.

6:57Tony Hale:You walked or you met all your friends out there. Chick-fil-A was always there. the Great American Cookie Company there's always you know what's funny there was always this place I think called O. Henry's and it was a coffee place and I remember back there because you're younger coffee wasn't a thing that is now and you're like who's drinking the coffee like the grandparents you know whoever has a black cup of coffee is like you're crazy and now obviously my daughter has five cups a day and she meets all of her friends for coffee

7:27SNACKS! Host:well my daughter is 12 and is at Starbucks like after school getting some fake thing. Yeah, like, I don't know, some strawberry something refresher with caffeine. I don't even know. I'm like, you cannot drink that. But actually, I really appreciate that you brought up mall because I do feel like that is so much what our childhood was based on. Oh, yeah. I think about, for some reason, I remember. There's an arcade.

7:54Tony Hale:There's always an arcade.

7:55SNACKS! Host:Arcade. But we also had Cinnabon, which was.

7:57Tony Hale:Cinnabon, good call. Cinnabon. And you could smell it all over the mall.

8:01SNACKS! Host:They were pumping that shit through the fence.

8:03Tony Hale:100%. And I immediately have sense memory. Yes. It's fantastic.

8:07SNACKS! Host:Even to this day, I'm like.

8:08Tony Hale:Talk about dough.

8:09SNACKS! Host:Oh.

8:09Tony Hale:Talk about like cinnamon on dough.

8:11SNACKS! Host:Worth every millisecond that you are eating.

8:14Tony Hale:And like just like liquid sugar. Yes. On top. Yeah.

8:17SNACKS! Host:Well, once they started putting calories on all this stuff, you're just like.

8:21Tony Hale:Well, I kept eating it. I know. But then also what makes me laugh is people like. They were like, I can have a bite of that and I'm done. And I'm like, just nonstop.

8:33SNACKS! Host:Here's what I'll say, though, is just like, that's such bullshit. Have you ever really known anybody to take a bite of one bite of one thing?

8:40Tony Hale:No, they're doing something behind closed doors without question.

8:44SNACKS! Host:OK, wait. So grew up in the South and really was about malls. Yeah. So but were you like was your mom or dad like were they like bakers? Like were you growing up around recipes?

8:54Tony Hale:No, no. I mean, I. I, I, here's the challenge with me is I don't have the best memory.

9:01SNACKS! Host:I got it.

9:02Tony Hale:So, but there are certain things that like certain foods like little Debbie's, like the mall.

9:10SNACKS! Host:Yeah.

9:11Tony Hale:I don't remember. What are we just getting trauma triggers? I remember like sitting around with my family eating. Do you want to lay down? Do you want to talk about it? But like for some reason, and my mom did cook, like we did eat, but I don't have a sense. I don't have a memory about that.

9:27SNACKS! Host:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

9:28Tony Hale:But I remember the cafeteria at the school always had pizza, like on Fridays.

9:34SNACKS! Host:Was there a big difference, do you feel like, in the food culture of your younger childhood to your older childhood? I really do wonder about that.

9:41Tony Hale:I do. That's a really good point. It was not a discussion point. It was, there weren't many restaurants. It was not like, oh my gosh, have you tried this restaurant, this place, this chef is here. It just wasn't in conversation. yeah food was not necessarily well i will say like family like if i went if i went to a relative or something that was like family was like oh what do you have we're having like spaghetti or whatever

10:04SNACKS! Host:right right but it wasn't restaurant talk that did not come up until like i feel like what's that line from when harry met sally where it's like food is to people in the 80s what theater was to people in the 70s and like i feel like the 80s became 80s and early 90s that's when i feel like food started to really kick up in the, in the world of like conversation.

10:26Tony Hale:It might have, maybe, maybe not where I was. Cause I would say it didn't start in the conversation until I moved to New York in 95. And that's when I was just like, there was so much culinary discussion. Yeah. And that's a good time to be in New York city too. Good food. And good food. Like I never had sushi. You know, I was just kind of like, this is wild. And there was just this discussion around it, you know, flavors and all that stuff. And obviously then the coffee thing kicked off and everybody's talking about coffee.

10:53SNACKS! Host:Totally. I mean, I sort of can't remember when coffee became the big thing.

10:58Tony Hale:Did you stop drinking it?

10:58SNACKS! Host:Did you?

10:59Tony Hale:I mean, it's almost like I'm admitting like, but I, I. What made you stop? I think, you know, I think it was kind of affecting my stomach a little bit.

11:10SNACKS! Host:I'm like, I've just, I've just agreed to have acid reflux the rest of my life. But there's other things that give it.

11:16Tony Hale:I mean, like, I got, there's like plenty of other stuff.

11:18SNACKS! Host:Yes.

11:18Tony Hale:But for some reason, I just kind of stopped. Oh, here's what I think it was. I think I thought it might have been like with because I was having stomach issues. I think it's coffee. Stomach issues have stayed around. Something's going to trigger it. But since I stopped, I just think I used to not drinking. And I'm a tea drinker in the morning. What? I know I'm a tea drinker, but it has to have a little caffeine. So I do yerba, Y-E-R-B-A, and a little almond milk. And I still got a routine. But coffee's not in the picture. I know. it's a new day i don't know what to say to you i thank you i don't know but i do a london fog at starbucks i do love a london fog because i like yeah so i have something to go to my daughter with when we go to coffee shops yeah i don't feel like such an outcast yeah i will say well i do

12:02SNACKS! Host:feel like there's now more than ever more options for non-coffee drinkers at coffee houses than maybe ever i see you and i do love an earl gray london fog i do i'm like a i like a real english kind of experience.

12:16Tony Hale:They always add some kind of lavender to it, which I don't need. Yeah. But it's nice.

12:18SNACKS! Host:No, it's fine. But I am, I will tell you, I will see you're not drinking coffee and raise you a, I make mine at home. I make my lattes at home now. So I do feel like I'm a little bit better than everybody else. Do you know what I mean?

12:32Tony Hale:Sure. I've got plenty of other things where I think I'm way better than others. It's just not coffee.

12:36SNACKS! Host:What makes you a food, what makes you better than everybody else in food? Empathy. No. Oh, you mean as a human? Just right now in today's culture. I wasn't talking about that. No, I don't give a shit about that. I just care about food. Are you doing things better than others in food? Wait, but I did read that you're...

12:52Tony Hale:I like how I use empathy to make myself feel better.

12:54SNACKS! Host:No, no. I'm like, that doesn't count on this show. Sorry. But I do have to know about... Because I did read something about you that you're a stress baker. That you bake in times of hard times. Oh, I do emotionally eat. Emotionally eat or cook? Or both?

13:09Tony Hale:Oh, okay. Good call. Because when I was in... I did the show Mysterious Benedict Society.

13:13SNACKS! Host:It's fantastic.

13:14Tony Hale:years ago and I had moved to Vancouver for it thinking I could pop back to LA because my daughter was young and cut to COVID happened and the borders shut so I was stuck in Vancouver and obviously super grateful for the job but I also couldn't leave my apartment so I was like what's happening and we had a little pod of like me and Kristen Schaal and Ted Danson and and we would have cocktails on Saturday and we all looked forward to that but during the week it was just like by myself in the apartment. And so I learned to cook and I would just search recipes and then it just, and I think that was the association of like, I was so just isolated.

13:57Tony Hale:And then I would get a lot of joy from just like, Oh, what's this? And let me try this. And, and I also was playing twins and one of the twins was kind of heavyset and one of them was supposed to be really fit, but I wasn't that fit, but I couldn't gain a lot of weight. So I'd look for all of these low calorie recipes.

14:13SNACKS! Host:Oh my gosh.

14:14Tony Hale:So I learned, I did a great sweet potato shepherd's pie.

14:16SNACKS! Host:Oh, wow.

14:18Tony Hale:Really good.

14:19SNACKS! Host:There's something about, because, you know, when we, at Delish, we were, and we were all sort of going through it together, but during the, the, oh my gosh. No, before that, the election. Before that.

14:34Tony Hale:You blocked it out.

14:35SNACKS! Host:Yeah, yeah. It's been a while. It's been a long, it's been a long couple of years. But anyway, we had, we sort of all were talking about like the idea of baking in particular but cooking I think sort of counts as being like the thing that really does help take stress away because you absolutely cannot focus on anything else other than the recipe that you're reading and the paying attention to the steps.

14:58Tony Hale:And there's also a beginning, middle, and an end.

15:00SNACKS! Host:Yes, and a process where you get a payoff. You feel like you're getting rewarded throughout. And so I think there's a lot of it makes perfect sense as to why people sort of it makes perfect sense honestly why it was probably a really good bomb for you during that it was great and when you said that it made me think

15:17Tony Hale:everybody in matt iott who's a really fantastic chef and we a bunch of us guys we went on this retreat one year and he made this delicious meal and then we all sat down ate it really fast and we're like okay let's go outside and he was like guys can we all just sit down yeah take our time and not eat so fast and just enjoy almost, I mean, he spent so much time and they were like going, and it's like, he's like, chill. And it was just such a wake-up call of like, yeah, why are we not just enjoying this more?

15:51SNACKS! Host:Do you find that, though, when you are bouncing around the country, you know, East Coast, West Coast, North, South, like because I do find, like, when I go to visit my sister in California, she lives in Northern California up by Sacramento. Laura, I mentioned you. I just want you to know. Laura.

16:09Tony Hale:As Buster would say, hey, Laura.

16:11SNACKS! Host:Oh, my gosh. That's going to be her ring. That's going to be her ringtone. I need you to know, Tony. Laura, just want you to know Tony knows you exist.

16:18Tony Hale:By the way, you're much younger than me. We're not the same age. We are very.

16:20SNACKS! Host:We're actually not. We're pretty close in age.

16:23Tony Hale:I mean, what if I was like 90? I'd be like, you know, we're close in age.

16:25SNACKS! Host:We're close in age. I'm like, obviously. You're what? You're 27? Yeah, we're really close in age.

16:30Tony Hale:You're much younger than me.

16:31SNACKS! Host:Um, so, but I was going to say though, that, um, when I go there, I'll go wait online for coffee or whatever and I'll be like, Oh my God, what is taking so long? Or I'll be at a restaurant. What the hell is taking so long? And then my husband will have to be like, just relax. Like it's okay. If sometimes restaurants want you to sit and enjoy the experience and like, yeah, we can like, exactly. Do we need to start the in and out conversation now? I'm ready to bring it on.

16:57Tony Hale:I'll bring it.

16:57SNACKS! Host:What's your fast food go to?

16:59Tony Hale:Okay. Thanks for asking. You're welcome. I do. Okay, well, I just moved, obviously, to Birmingham. I do love a Chipotle bowl. They are great. They're great. And you know what I also like is kava.

17:12SNACKS! Host:Kava is also great.

17:14Tony Hale:Because it's pretty much Chipotle for Greek.

17:15SNACKS! Host:Yes.

17:17Tony Hale:What's your Chipotle order? Thanks for asking. Please. We'll talk about anything here.

17:22SNACKS! Host:If you've got more orders, if I'm not asking, by all means, just throw it out.

17:25Tony Hale:I'll just give you serious questions. um i like the brown rice and lettuce mix but i got the okay so there's a great mall yeah please in los angeles the sherman oaks fashion square mall i would take my my daughter pretty much learned how to walk in a mall she didn't i didn't take her to the park i don't think she felt grass until she was like 10. i mean amazing so we would always go to the mall and just walk in that little indoor playground and we would always get a chipotle bowl and uh i would get the salad and the brown rice i don't like too spicy so i would just and i'm not a huge fan of like a lot of beans

17:58SNACKS! Host:okay i'm the same i don't i don't even get the beans great great and age has nothing no no no

18:03Tony Hale:no it's just same my body has never liked them ever my whole life i'm lying yeah um so but and i'll do the grilled vegetables and then bakava um i like i like the here is i like the control of picking my own stuff same so when i don't i don't typically say like oh i'll have the aloha you know

18:23SNACKS! Host:no no you know spangler or whatever um whatever sure the aloha but i like i like simplicity so it's like i like this this and this and this what's your meat great question thank you uh always chicken chicken which chicken come on you gotta go deep here we gotta go in We are. Al Pastor? Do you like the... Oh, wait. I'm talking about Chipotle. Are you on Cava? No.

18:49Tony Hale:Okay. I really just go by color.

18:52SNACKS! Host:Okay, okay. So you like light grilled. Yes. Light grilled, not saucy.

18:55Tony Hale:Not saucy.

18:56SNACKS! Host:Okay. Yeah. Got it. See, Patton Oswalt was on last week.

18:59Tony Hale:Let's get into Patton. Let's talk about Patton.

19:01SNACKS! Host:Do you know him well?

19:02Tony Hale:I don't know him well. I know he's a buddy, but why not? Okay, yeah.

19:04SNACKS! Host:He's a super, super nice guy. Patton, if you're listening... Very nice guy. Thank you for listening. We really appreciate your listen. but he was really ranting about bowls. He just feels like it's slop. What did he call them? Slop buckets. Slop buckets. Yeah, he just thinks that Americans have gotten so lazy that we just want to throw everything in a bowl and not enjoy things separated out. He was particularly infuriated by the KFC mashed potato fried chicken corn bowl, which sounds delicious to me, but I also can kind of see his point.

19:40Tony Hale:I do see his point. I think it's all in individual experience with the bowl.

19:47SNACKS! Host:I don't disagree with you.

19:48Tony Hale:I mean, if somebody's throwing in 20 different things, you're missing the uniqueness of each thing. But if you have like a solid, simple four or five, I think it's okay.

19:59SNACKS! Host:My hot take is I like a bowl where I know, to your point, not too many things. And then I know what each thing is. I am not someone, you know, like the Kardashian meme of like, like a shake kind of thing where it's like, oh, I'm going to go to a place. Like I need it all shake, like shaken, shaked up, shook up, shook up, shook up. There it is.

20:22Tony Hale:You do not like it shaken for you.

20:24SNACKS! Host:I don't like it shaken for me. I'm kind of like, I'll shake it if I want to shake it. But also maybe I don't want to shake it. Maybe I just want to like toss it around a little. And I like, I like when it's like.

20:33Tony Hale:Now let me ask you this. When you were a kid and you had four things on your plate, did you find yourself eating each of them individually or did you mix the components?

20:41SNACKS! Host:I ate them individually. I married a mixer. My husband likes to like and my husband is known to like on nights when we just like cannot get it together like to cook. He makes microwave mashed potatoes, frozen chicken nuggets and ketchup all in a bowl. A bowl. In a bowl. Wow. And I've never told anybody that ever. So you're the first person that knows us.

21:10Tony Hale:Sure. You know what's great? Thank you for sharing.

21:12SNACKS! Host:Prison is great.

21:14Tony Hale:You know what's great is like I've gotten really into just throwing a potato in the microwave for seven minutes.

21:20SNACKS! Host:Seven? That's all?

21:22Tony Hale:Seven minutes. Gets it a nice mush, but it doesn't go really mushy. And you get a little bit of the crunch.

21:29SNACKS! Host:Oh, see, I like it mushy. I like a crispy outside potato soft inside.

21:34Tony Hale:Well, that's involving an oven.

21:35SNACKS! Host:Oh, yeah. You have to bake it. That's why I won't even bother with the microwave because I need it to be like.

21:39Tony Hale:But if you just need a good, quick meal and you don't want to go through the thing of like salt in the potato, putting it in the oven, all that kind of stuff, which is obviously what they do here.

21:46SNACKS! Host:Yeah.

21:46Tony Hale:If you just want a microwave. But you're used to like some pretty high palates. I like a certain.

21:50SNACKS! Host:Well, I'm someone. I am such a potato purist that I will. If I know I want to bake potato that night, I will start baking it like almost two hours before I want to eat it.

21:57Tony Hale:OK. So I like to prep.

21:58SNACKS! Host:But yours, I appreciate your fast because there are some times where it's like, damn it, I forgot. I should have. I just want this.

22:05Tony Hale:And my sister, my wife. Yes, please. Also my sister. Newsflash, hot take.

22:11SNACKS! Host:You heard it here first.

22:13Tony Hale:It's okay. She does this great white bean chili.

22:18SNACKS! Host:Oh, yeah.

22:18Tony Hale:And I'll do the potato in the microwave and then take the white bean chili and put it over the potato. So it doesn't necessarily have to be. Oh, chili on a potato is like. It's a Wendy's model.

22:26SNACKS! Host:It is a Wendy's model. It is also a great American potato model. Did you guys have a great American potato in your mall?

22:33Tony Hale:We did not, but I have heard of this place.

22:35SNACKS! Host:Oh, that was my sweet thing, which it was like they would take a potato out of a bunch of potatoes wrapped in foil. And they would literally take like what they would spread cream cheese on, like used to like a giant paddle knife and take butter and then like slide it into the potato. It was so good. Great. Not healthy. Is it still around?

22:55Tony Hale:Because that really is a great choice.

22:56SNACKS! Host:To be honest with you, I have not been to a mall that's had one, but that's not to say. I would hate to take away business from Great American Potato. If you're out there, let us know. Please. And we'll be right back.

23:11Okay.

23:12SNACKS! Host:You are in some of my favorite shows. And so this is going to be a really hard question for me. You're also very veep today. I'm very veep. And my son is watching it for the first time. He's in college, and I'm just living vicariously through him at the experience of experiencing it for the first time. Oh, that's cool. Which is so cool.

23:29Tony Hale:My daughter hasn't seen anything I've done.

23:31SNACKS! Host:Oh, are you kidding? Nothing.

23:33Tony Hale:She would, but I think it's, you know, when Buster's your dad, come on. It's different. It's a little odd. It might be weird.

23:39SNACKS! Host:All right, so Buster, Arrested Development, Gary and Veep, which had the better craft services? I could talk about craft services all day.

23:48Tony Hale:No, that's all I did on set.

23:50SNACKS! Host:Oh, my God.

23:51Tony Hale:Who had the better one? I'd say Veep, but it's because I think I remember it more.

23:55SNACKS! Host:Well, what was it like on Arrested?

23:57Tony Hale:I don't remember any food. However, I gained 15 pounds the first season because I had never been around that much free food. Oh, my gosh. Because I came from New York where I was a struggling actor, and I was like, hey, so someone coming up to me with a tray of food being like, this is free. I'm like, yeah.

24:15SNACKS! Host:Well, I, because I did listen, I have listened to your smart list. And so I heard you and Will talking about you guys going out together, basically. So that, was that your first time on a major set?

24:24Tony Hale:That was my first time on a major set and on a, in a studio.

24:28SNACKS! Host:Oh, wow.

24:28Tony Hale:So I was very, very overwhelmed. I was also very anxious. Right, I'm sure it's stressful. Which helped the character, let's be honest. But I, I, so I don't have the best memory. Right. Because I think I was kind of checked out.

24:40SNACKS! Host:But you don't remember it being bad?

24:42Tony Hale:No, I remember just overwhelmed. Right. Yeah. And then Veep. And then Veep was just a joy. Like, and so I remember all the food.

24:50SNACKS! Host:Was it like custom stuff? Was it new every day? It was healthy.

24:54Tony Hale:But here's the thing. The truck, there's a there's a craft service truck that you walk in and it's like walking into a 7-Eleven. And it's like walking into a 7-Eleven and saying and somebody saying everything's free.

25:04SNACKS! Host:And you're so you're just like, I'm going to grab it. So what do you grab? What do you get?

25:08Tony Hale:peanut m &ms okay that's the best um i was uh i saw a movie the other day i my immediate go-to is popcorn you put the peanut m &ms in the popcorn interesting because it melt that interesting

25:22SNACKS! Host:sounds judgmental it's not judgmental because i was i thought you were going to say what someone else on our show said which was they put sour patch kids in popcorn which i thought i will be judgmental about abomination i mean i i shouldn't judge because i'm like eat whatever you want but That seemed crazy. That seemed crazy. But it doesn't melt, right?

25:39Tony Hale:Also, you're chewing popcorn and chewing salad. That's wrong. There's no crunch.

25:44SNACKS! Host:The whole experience. It's sour. What's going on with my brain? But I want to talk about the M &M in that it doesn't melt. It does. It does? It does.

25:52Tony Hale:I should just do regular M &Ms because I don't really need the protein. But I like the melted chocolate into the popcorn. If the popcorn's hot, sometimes they put the bags out there and they've already pre-bagged them. So they're not hot.

26:06SNACKS! Host:What'd you see?

26:08Tony Hale:I saw yesterday Toy Story 5 for the first time. And it's so beautiful.

26:12SNACKS! Host:I mean, I just like, do you feel like, are you, do you feel any connection to Forky? Like, are you?

26:18Tony Hale:Oh, I feel a tremendous connection to Forky. Because Forky is so curious about life. And he's just, oh, I aspire to be Forky. Because, you know, he walked into the world, he knew nothing. No. He knew nothing. He thought he was trash, you know. And then Woody's like, no, you're meant to love and be loved. And there was a villain called Gabby Gabby in the last one, who was this antique doll. And everybody was like, she's the villain. She's the villain. Forky was like, I think he's got great hair. So she goes over and just starts brushing her hair. And because of that connection, she had a redemption story where someone kind of crossed the aisle and saw her, where everybody else saw her as evil.

26:57Tony Hale:And rarely does a villain have a redemptive story. and so she found somebody in the end.

27:04SNACKS! Host:That's really beautiful. I love Forky. Forky is honestly one of my favorites. I'll also say though too that there's something really beautiful about the idea of garbage becoming something that people can love.

27:18Tony Hale:People love and also everybody has a part of them that they kind of feel like garbage. And they're not even like walking around super heavy about it. Like Forky was just like, I love trash. But it took somebody else to say, hey, you're not all that.

27:32SNACKS! Host:So now tell me about the shooting experience for that. Is there craft service? I'm like, let's get to the meat and potatoes. Is there craft services? Are you eating?

27:42Tony Hale:Well, here's the thing. When you're just doing the voice... Well, that's what I'm wondering. Are you with anyone else? I can't really, because all I want is ice cream and chocolate and all that kind of stuff.

27:50SNACKS! Host:Is that true?

27:52Tony Hale:We'll get back to that. Sorry, I know we have to go. I love... I'll come back to you. We can just talk about this forever.

27:58SNACKS! Host:yeah I'll just call you tonight if that's okay

28:00Tony Hale:I'll just keep talking but when you're doing voiceover if I do too much dairy or like stuff you get kind of like gurgly gurgly great yeah exactly that's it and it's like and so you can lose it and so I have to do the tease and all that kind of stuff because Forky screams he's always like you know he's up there and so and he can scream a lot and so I had to be careful or I'd lose it

28:21SNACKS! Host:I never thought about that

28:24Tony Hale:however I think a long time ago I think I think it was Amy Grant who chewed potato chips while she sang in a booth because it made her voice kind of raspy. Raspy. Yeah. Huh. So everybody's got their thing.

28:35SNACKS! Host:Everybody's got their thing. But I also feel like the joy of shooting voice or doing voice acting or for a producer, I guess, is like people are in and out. You're not like hustling a whole set.

28:46Tony Hale:Now, keep in mind Buster, his body was not a priority. No. So he just ate whatever he saw.

28:53SNACKS! Host:I just like the juice box. The giant wine juice is just the greatest scene of all time. He loves a box of the straw. So good.

29:02Tony Hale:So good.

29:03SNACKS! Host:All right. I will. I'm going to have to let you go, unfortunately.

29:08Tony Hale:This is part one.

29:09SNACKS! Host:I know part one. We'll come back. But I will say we have one ending bit, which is what we call the snack attack. 30-second snack attack. So if you have a rant about something you hate, you know, a profession of something you love, like, but you get 30 seconds to talk about something in your food universe that you've been dying to say to somebody. Talk to me about brownie sundaes.

29:35Tony Hale:I'll do brownie sundaes. I'll go on a rant about this. Yeah, let's hear it. It goes back to simple truths. I mean, I love, like, going, I also love going to a, you know, a fancy restaurant. They say, like, oh, yeah, the topping is, like, air. And you're like, okay, that's, I need something.

29:47SNACKS! Host:Foam.

29:48Tony Hale:So a brownie sundae is vanilla ice cream, a really good, dense brownie. I don't necessarily need the chocolate sauce, but you know what's good is a caramel sauce over it because you have the chocolate with the brownie. Amazing. And then you have the crunch of, like, some nuts. And a cherry. There's genuinely nothing better.

30:07SNACKS! Host:What about a real whipped cream? Like a real.

30:09Tony Hale:Sure, I apologize. Yeah, a whipped cream just on the side. And also, my palate has gotten, well, not too advanced. I like good whipped cream, but I also love it out of a can. I love a good whipped cream out of a can, like a fancy can.

30:25SNACKS! Host:I'll go white trash. I like a white trash can. I'm here with you. I can get there with you. Do you have a favorite brownie sundae in the world?

30:33Tony Hale:Any fast food restaurant, any chain restaurant. I actually would rather go to a TGI Fridays or Cheesecake Factory way to get a brownie sundae than go to some posh place.

30:47SNACKS! Host:The Cheesecake Factory brownie sundae is literally the most underrated thing on their menu. It is.

30:54Tony Hale:Listen, I don't mind looking at a catalog to pick my food. I don't mind ads. Nope, 100%. Yeah, I like choices.

31:00SNACKS! Host:Yes.

31:01Tony Hale:Yeah, because if I want that sushi, they got it. if I want chicken fingers, they got it.

31:07SNACKS! Host:I also feel like I take a lot of shit about liking chain restaurants. But there's something to me about the consistency of like, I know whatever cheesecake factory I walk into, I know exactly what I'm going to get. My daughter's gluten-free. I know that she likes the pasta there. I just know what I want, and I don't have to think about...

31:30Tony Hale:Also, nothing sadder than Tony Hale walking in a Trader Joe's in a different town and not buying anything, but just being in the familiar. So I'll walk around, and I'll see the Hawaiian graphics.

31:41SNACKS! Host:Yes.

31:42Tony Hale:And I'll look at the snacks, and walk right out.

31:45SNACKS! Host:Aw.

31:45Tony Hale:Just because it feels like it's something I know. Totally. So it's the same with train chain restaurants. I want to see the pins on the TGI Fridays suspenders, and I'm like, okay, everything's going to be all right.

31:56SNACKS! Host:A hundred percent. I will also say, TGI Fridays, my favorite thing on their menu was similar to what you're describing, but it was called the Pie in the Sky Sunday, and it was like a mashup of everything you've talked about on the show. It's like a Sunday, and it had a blondie pie slice sticking out of the top. Come on. I mean, it was sticking out of the ice cream. That's great. And it was called the Pie in the Sky. And when they're all like, we can share it. No, we cannot share it. You can get the key lime pie. Get your own.

32:25Tony Hale:And all the bite of yours.

32:25SNACKS! Host:Yes, maybe. I might have a bite, or maybe I'll get one of my own of that, too.

32:29Tony Hale:Yeah, thank you.

32:30SNACKS! Host:Wait, what's Office Romance?

32:31Tony Hale:So this is a movie that's coming out this week. I don't know when this is there, but with Brett Goldstein and Jennifer Lopez. And it's just a great, funny. Did he write it? He wrote it. Of course. And it's just a romantic comedy. And I played a neurotic HR rep.

32:48SNACKS! Host:I mean.

32:49Tony Hale:I mean, just breaking out of them.

32:51SNACKS! Host:Well, my team is talking about how they loved you on Dawson's Creek as like a doctor who gives really bad news. So you've really, you've run the gamut with this team here.

32:59Tony Hale:That was close to 30 years ago. Wild. Maybe like, actually, it was definitely 26 years. It was like 2000.

33:07SNACKS! Host:So what you're saying is I should not ask you about Dawson Creek's craft services.

33:12Tony Hale:You will not remember. Okay.

33:15SNACKS! Host:You'll have to spend the next few months remembering, and then we'll have you back on.

33:18Tony Hale:I will say when somebody makes the effort on a set and says, you know what, I really want our craft service to be super healthy, I do appreciate it. Because if the hours are really late, you don't need a lot of crap because, you know, you want to stay awake. However, I want that. But you got to have a side. You got to send peanut and some stash to where you can get it somewhere.

33:41SNACKS! Host:Well, Phil Rosenthal said when he was on, he actually told a really great story about how he was once on a set that they got they sent out a memo to everybody saying you may not use the milk. Milk is for coffee only. You may not use it for cereal. I was like, this is insane. And so he swore when he did Everybody Loves Raymond, right? Sarita, that was it. That he was like, I'm going to have the best craft services with the most options. And like all the kind. He's like, that was where all the budget was going to go. It was to like make craft services great.

34:12Tony Hale:I thought you were about to say, he was going to have a milk truck.

34:14SNACKS! Host:He was going to start milking cows. Bringing in milk. Yeah, exactly. Everybody, come to my dressing room. I have fresh milk. It's been a delight. Oh, thanks for having me. They say never meet your heroes, but I'm really excited we got to chat. Oh, same. Because you're really so great. You're so great. I was your hero? Is that what you're saying?

34:34Tony Hale:You have been my hero for so long. I mean, the way I'm talking about snacks, 100%. I mean, snacks, obviously.

34:40SNACKS! Host:Come back anytime.

34:41Tony Hale:I would love it.

34:42SNACKS! Host:Awesome. Thanks so much for joining Snacks. Make sure you like and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. And make sure to follow us on all social platforms at Snacks Podcast. We'll see you next time.

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Emmy-winning actor Tony Hale joins SNACKS! for a delightful conversation about comfort food, unexpected life lessons, and the desserts that bring it all together.

 

Tony shares his favorite way to make a microwave potato, explains how Forky from Toy Story 4 has inspired his outlook on life, and breaks down every essential component of the perfect brownie sundae.

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