Dark Energy Tuesday (Summer House, Jake Shane, Mika Abdalla/Jake Short, Hudson Williams, Taylor Swift Wedding Rumors)

25:13Obviously, you shouldn't have to like learn or work hard to show respect to your fiance. But like, sure, it's kind of like a throwaway statement, but they did a joint statement together and they said, we've seen a conversation around clips of us together when we were in a relationship and people making harmful and inaccurate assumptions about our dynamic. The former couple told Us Weekly that they were in a loving, respectful relationship for five years, and it's hurtful to see playful moments dissected in a way that does not reflect the respect and love we had and still have for each other. And obviously the way that he was speaking to her was not okay at all.

25:49Like the clip is very jarring. I posted it on our Instagram stories last week. So really disgusting way to speak to her. I also think it's like, can people chill out with like harassing these people? Like this must be extremely jarring for them. We actually don't know them. Like it's a clip. It's a bad clip, but it's one clip. Like we don't know them. Yeah. Yeah. I think that it's one thing to have an opinion about a man speaking to his fiance like that completely valid like that's dark yeah disgusting and it kind of gives danny bucco and yeah but at the same time it's like what time do you have to go onto his instagrams or harassing him like i i swear to i don't know who those people are i'd imagine it's like high schoolers like that's or bots i don't know but like who has the time to actually go hmm who is this person jake okay got it let me go on his instagram let me write something heinous on his comments like then it becomes who's worse now the man like we're all then we're all kind of culpable of being kind of an asshole at this point um harassing a stranger on the internet and also for this fucking guy who's talking to his girlfriend like that it's all bad so let's just not give into this like let's not be just as bad as this jake short guy talking to his girlfriend and stop harassing him that's just not cool nor is it normal it's just kind of it's just kind of bizarre obviously uh but you know do i I agree that how he acted was bad.

27:00Yes, absolutely. And I'm happy that Mika is free. And it's just ironic also because in the show, she has this kind of like, I don't know how to describe him. Henry watched it with me and he actually loved it. So if you haven't watched Off Campus yet, it's actually a show that your husband or boyfriend will enjoy also. But she has like this boyfriend in the show who he describes as a squid, who Henry describes as a squid. He's kind of like a loser. And he gets very threatened by her success and by her aspirations. And it's like, oh my God, did she have a Sean in real life? Like, is this, was he like threatened by her?

27:34We don't know. We actually don't know these people. It's just ironic that like she kind of shed what looked like baggage, this, you know, relationship, just like her character in the show. Yeah, well, again, we don't know these people. It kind of reminds me of, like, obviously this is different because she's controversial, but like when Sydney Sweeney blew up, right, she was engaged to that guy, Jonathan DeVino or whomever. And like, no one knew who he was. he was a producer in some capacity. He was a producer on that Glenn Powell movie that she did, but he was like a pizza owner in like the tri-state area.

28:02He was kind of like a normie. And then she blew up into success through the span of their engagement. And they ended up breaking up. How do you have a normal relationship with someone when your partner has skyrocketed into fame, has acquired so much wealth? I mean, I can't imagine it's easy. Like, I don't understand how you could actually sustain their relationship, honestly. It must be extremely jarring. And I know it works for like some couples, I'm sure. I know Paul, what's his name? Paul Anthony Kelly, who played JFK Jr. Yeah, he has been in a normal relationship and then he suddenly blew up and it seems like he is obviously doing well.

28:37And I'm sure there are tons of celebrities where this happens. You have to have like the right, a very, very, very strong relationship for this to work, I would say. Because it must be extremely destabilizing and just jarring. Yeah.

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33:25Speaking of overnight successes, I want to quickly talk about this Hudson Williams swastika photo. Who's Hudson Williams? I keep hearing him. Is he also on this show? Oh my god, no, Christy, he was in Heated Rivalry. You've never watched Heated Rivalry and it pisses me off. Yes. You've never watched Heated Rivalry. You haven't watched Off Campus. Like, keep up. I know, I know. It's really bad. It's been a rough couple of months, guys, but yes, I want to hear more about this. Hudson Williams has completely blown up since he did Rivalry. I watched it, I think, in December of last year. So it's only been like six months now that he is completely, completely just skyrocketed to fame.

34:03So this photo was just resurfaced. I don't know who dug it out from his past or why this is just now resurfacing, but it is a photo of him. It It looks like a high school party where, and he's Canadian. So just for context, he's Canadian. Where, because I'm like, people are like, have you guys never been in high school before? I'm like, American high schools don't do this. Maybe it's a Canadian. I don't think it's a Canadian thing. But no one, this isn't normal, period. They're all writing all over each other. They signed, like he's covered in writing. Like people have signed their names on his shirt.

34:40And then on his neck, he has the word AIDS. And then on his forehead, he has a swastika. and a source, aka his team, told, or like a friend, it said, told TMZ that he had no idea there was a swastika on his head in this photo, which obviously someone else drew it, sure. But for him to not acknowledge it at all or the AIDS on his neck during Pride Month when he was in a show about a gay relationship and just kind of brush it off as I didn't know, like you're kind of feigning ignorance and like skirting accountability, which kind of gives me the ick about it. It's like you should acknowledge, oh, my God, like I was a, you know, teenagers do stupid shit.

35:22We know that. Teenagers, whatever. So what I thought was really interesting, because I'm like, he's hanging out with people who draw swastikas for fun and he like didn't think to look at himself or look at his, you know, his phone before posing for a picture. OK, sure. If we want to believe that. Another picture from this party resurfaced. I'm going going to put this on the document also. Hitler mustache at the same party. Someone has a Hitler mustache that was drawn on and then someone is doing a Hitler salute. And this is the same party. So you are basically at a Nazi party. That is not a normal high school.

35:55And there's so many people defending him and saying, oh my God, come on. Like, have you, have you guys never been to a high school party? I don't know what kind of high school parties you guys were going to. We weren't fucking being Nazis. I had to Google how old he is. He's 25. Like the generation below us, I'm sorry, is far more socially aware and like politically aware and far more woke than I think we understood to be at their age. This is like not appropriate. You know way better. And listen, this would have been bad if we were at a party that was doing this. I don't think we were having the same conversations as we are today.

36:31Like there is no literally no excuse for this. This is jarring and disgusting. Well, it's like it'd be one thing if like I mean, it wouldn't even be one think if it was just the swastika. It's the fact that like he was clearly at this party where people are doing Nazi salutes and drawing Hitler mustaches and drawing swastikas. It's like, okay, like we're going to just excuse this and act like it's like not a big deal. And he's going to put out a statement that's like not even, he's not even putting out a statement. A friend of his is putting out a statement saying he had no idea. It's like a total lack of accountability that is such an ick for me.

37:01And of course, like I said, teenagers do stupid shit and you are capable of growth. Do I think that he needs to be banished into the woods forever or like tarred and feathered? No, but just like take accountability also as like a Jewish person. Like just I'm like, yeah, these symbols are offensive. So I can personally say that it is offensive and that I think accountability is necessary here and then we can move on from it. But it's like without the accountability, it's just kind of like, fuck you. And I think that this is a perfect example because obviously these photos have been making the rounds and there's a lot of discourse about it online.

37:33This is the perfect example of who we pick and choose to hold accountable based on how much we like the person in question. Because just read the comments on any post about it. Absolutely coddling him. We even, I post about it on our Instagram. We even got DMs like, leave him alone. Oh my God. Like, don't worry about it. Like, let's just let it go. It's Hudson. Like, he's so sweet. Why? Like, why are we coddling this grown man? Like, and again, I'm not saying that he should be tarred and feathered. I'm saying, no, he fucked up and he could acknowledge that he did something harmful, just like anyone else who has gotten caught with their tail between the legs for having N-word tweets or whatever it is from when they're younger.

38:08It's the same thing. What's the difference? Yeah, and I'm looking at his ethnicity because, again, I'm not familiar with this guy, but he's half Korean. Yes, he's half Asian. You know what it's like to be marginalized or to be targeted, be at the receiving end of racial slurs. Like, that's not very empathetic of you, Hudson Williams. Yeah. This is very dark. I don't like this. And I genuinely cannot remember high school or not. When was the last time you were at a party where people were doing Hitler's mustaches and signs and like that's not a thing. Thankfully, I can say never. But again, maybe it's because I'm Jewish.

38:44Maybe as soon as I left, everyone was like, okay, the Jew's out of here. Let's get out and look for all the Hitler's mustaches. Yeah, it's just, I mean, that's very odd. It's bizarre. And people have also, like, there are some Letterboxd things of his that have surfaced, but I'm not sure of the veracity of them. He has said that most of these Letterboxd reviews that people have found probably, there's like one Lolita one where he talks about Lolita. I don't know if that's real, so I'm not even going to bring that up. There was like a Finsta that he was maybe like the N-word was being used. Again, I don't know the veracity of any of these claims, so I'm not going to bring that into this conversation.

39:20But it seems like there are other things that have come up about him and his fans kind of hand wave it away. But this is I'm just looking at the facts in front of me. And like this is bad and this is offensive. And I think it's like, again, we can move on from it as long as you acknowledge it. But if he doesn't acknowledge it, then I'm just going to be mad. Yeah. You remember that one picture? This is years ago, probably like before 2010, maybe. Taylor Swift took a photo of someone who was wearing a swastika on his T-shirt. Do you know what I'm talking about? um oh my god it is ringing a bell for sure heard um oh god it's really bad yeah no one talks about it but it seems like taylor swift herself has even attended a party i just put it on the document oh you don't yeah it's oh my god no it's really remember this i do remember this why why does he it looks like a paint party like they were all painting why is that okay so it's like the same thing with the hudson williams thing where they're like drawing on each other and at this taylor party.

40:18It looks like they're painting on each other. Why? Like, why is that someone's instinct to paint or draw a swastika? I'm sorry. I don't know. And who is this man? Like, who is this man? Ugly. He's also ugly. Yeah, he's like really ugly. So there's that. Pick a struggle. Yeah. Also, Jersey Shore, when she was like, he's like, what are you going to say, Mike, that I'm fat, that I'm fat? I can lose weight for free. It takes$50 ,000 to fix your face like it'll take oh my god it's so true it's so true okay this guy this guy ugly yeah and and wearing a swastika like and also the hudson williams fans that are trying to do like uh they're trying to kind of shoehorn this really innocuous they're like guys it's a buddhist symbol because the swastika was appropriated from buddhism and turned into what we see it as now which is a hate symbol.

41:11It was originally, you know, a Buddhist symbol. But like now we all associate it with Nazis. I'm sorry. You can't like. Okay, well now we don't do that anymore. I mean, my mom is Buddhist and I didn't even know that. And even if I did see that, I wouldn't be like, well, listen, you guys, he was actually embodying the Buddhist principle. Like shut up. Yeah, like please. Let's twist ourselves into a pretzel more. Give me a break. Yes. And his fans literally on Twitter were trying to say that. And then that's when the photos resurface of the Hitler mustache and the Nazi salute. It's like they're just doing peaceful Buddhist gestures.

41:42Like, please, come on. Because, you know, actually that mustache was actually a Buddhist mustache as well. It's actually a Charlie Chaplin mustache. Yeah, right, right, right. Let's keep making excuses. If it looks like a duck, if it clacks like a duck, it's a duck. But it's crazy because, like, if this were—think about any female celebrity. Like, someone was like, remember how Brie Larson was canceled for, like, sounding arrogant in an interview? you it's like the way that our society and our stan culture will always prop up these men and tear down women and i'm sorry more of the story is that most celebrities would not be able to get away with this and i think that it's the fact that this is the perfect example of like picking and choosing who we decide to get mad at based on how much we like them what what he's doing here in these photos there's physical evidence of him being extremely extremely offensive but like yeah i don't know yeah i mean this guy's weird i'm sorry i didn't watch he told rivalry so i have no skin in the game i don't have any opinions about this man but now indefinitely i will think about hudson williams with a swastika on his forehead and no i've never gone to a party like that and heated rivalry is a great show and i think he's very talented and again yeah yeah yeah whatever grow up and make mistakes it's just like it pisses me off the lack of accountability here and like him trying to hand wipe it away.

43:02Okay. Speaking of Taylor Swift, should we talk about the MSG rumors that her and Travis Kelsey are getting married at Madison Square Garden, allegedly? When I first saw this on TMZ, I thought it was, I was like, wait a minute, is it April Fool's today? Like I genuinely was like, huh? Okay, that's odd. Maybe they just got the wrong information, whatever. And then I continue to see it on news source after news source. And then I'm wondering, is this in fact real? And you are under the belief that it It is not. I feel like what happened to that story that Taylor Swift bought out someone to get married on June 13th so she could get married on that day at that venue?

43:35I thought that was like a validated route. But now no one's getting married to MSG unless she bought out like the Knicks from playing. I don't get it. I don't know. I don't I don't think it's real. So it came from TMZ. And usually I do trust TMZ because they are they verify everything. I'm sorry. Love them or hate them. like TMZ is a legit news source, in my opinion. It seems like my first thought was this is a planned COI agreement where it's like they're putting out false information on purpose and TMZ knows it's false, but they're putting out this information in order to distract people from what is really the plan.

44:11But I saw people online saying they were actually putting the pieces together and saying, this sounds insane because why would the most famous person on the planet get married in the middle of Manhattan. But apparently MSG actually has the infrastructure to keep things more private than anywhere else like in the world because it has underground tunnel access. So there's no way that anyone could photograph them from above. It has a covered roof. So there's no possibility of, again, like drones or whatever it is. And apparently Madison Square Garden has like a calendar and they don't have anything publicly booked for those supposed dates, which is making people suspicious that it is booked for the wedding.

44:56And that's why there is nothing on the calendar for those dates. Who knows? Obviously, I would prefer to not be at Madison Square Garden. I know it's not, you know, not to make it about me, but I live here and I think it would turn Manhattan into a fucking shit show. And people would stake out outside. Like, even if they weren't able to see anything, people would still stake out outside because it's Taylor Swift. Yeah, yeah. I mean, this is probably one of the biggest events in pop culture in the last 50 years. Like, genuinely, this is the biggest deal ever. And like you said, to get married in Manhattan, it doesn't seem correct.

45:27And also, if you understand and you have followed Taylor Swift for a long time, as I have, this doesn't seem to be her vibe. Me talking like I know her, but she's like a cozy, coastal kind of girl. She doesn't want this. I don't know. this just does not seem aligned with her values and her her aesthetics but like you said maybe it is the perfect the perfect way to get married like you said there's a lot of privacy but i don't know this just doesn't seem in line with anything she would agree to and i feel like they are trying to point us and steer us in the incorrect direction so that they can get a yeah private wedding but if you have to think about it it's june 8 if she used to get married june 13th like we originally thought in five days from now so saturday of this week her guests have to know but They have to be on an ironclad NDA.

46:10And she's also apparently invited over a thousand people. So you have to have a thousand people shutting their mouths. But we all, those a thousand guests that got invited have to know the date. So you have to remember, they have to keep everyone silent. A thousand people is insane, first of all. Like that is so many fucking people. So there's that. Also, Rishi Patel is the event designer that apparently has been hired for the wedding. And he's one of the top event designers in the world. So it's like if anyone can transform Madison Square Garden from a fucking basketball stadium to like a gorgeous wedding venue, it's probably him.

46:45So I can see people kind of trying to rationalize it and saying, you know what, this doesn't sound completely incorrect. But yeah, I'm not really buying it right now. Yeah. I mean, I cannot wait for the photos to come out because remember when Selena Gomez and Benny Blanco, when they got married, the photos got turned around that same day. Like they were trying to get ahead of it. So Paps wouldn't actually release any photos preemptively before them. So I think they took control over it. And we're like, listen, we know you guys care about this. People Magazine, here you go. I really hope that Taylor at least proves this all wrong.

47:13And it was like, jokes on you guys. It's not an MSG. I'm actually getting married in coastal Maine or wherever, Rhode Island, wherever it may be. I look forward to the photos and I can't. Yeah. And I mean, if anyone loves to do like Easter eggs and like trick her fans and like put them on a wild goose chase, it's Taylor Swift. Someone called her Jigsaw on a blonde wig.

47:35she's jigsaw on a long way oh my god um i just put that together that the saw movies is jigsaw jigsaw yeah like yeah it's a play on the name of that that perpetrator like i just put that

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52:31You start. Yes. So my dark energy object this week is the phrase pinch me moment. Shut up. People who use it on social media, shut up. I just, I hate that phrase. I'm sorry. It's like so obnoxious. It's like, what a pinch me moment. It kind of gives the same energy when people personify locations. London, you look beautiful. London, you were good to us. Yeah, yeah, yeah. London, you really showed up for me. Like London, the weather, I don't know. It's just like when people personify locations on their Instagram stories, enough. There's like one girl that I'm thinking of in particular. She's like friend of a friend.

53:04And I'm just going to keep it as vague as possible. It's always a friend of a friend, by the way. It's always a friend of a friend. And every single time she posts on social media, it's some sort of braggy accomplishment or moment or trip or something where she's like, what a pinch. What a surreal pinch me moment. Save it. Like, it just, like, bothers me. So that's my DEO of the week. My LEO, I have two LEOs of the week. One split pea soup. Yeah. Hits every time. I'm sorry. Hits every time. I don't care that it's summer. I have been eating so much split pea soup lately. I get it from my favorite split pea soup is from this place Eli's that also is like the best mac and cheese Eli's essentials on the Upper East Side so go there for the mac and cheese and the split pea soup even though it's very expensive I went there the other day and I got mac and cheese split pea soup and a shepherd's pie for Henry so good like such good like pre-made things for when we don't feel like cooking but we still want something like you know homemade-ish right I was like I I before I even checked out at the counter I was like I'm never gonna financially recover from this.

54:05It was$52 for those three things. But it's so good. Everything there is really good, but like those three things are all amazing. And I just love split pea soup. And then my mother-in-law, when I was home a couple of weeks ago at my in-laws, she was like, I heard you're craving split pea soup. And she made some from scratch because she's like the best cook. And it was so good. And then she sent us home with like a whole thing of split pea soup. And it's just like the best. And I feel like a baby when I eat it because it's kind of like baby food texture. It is. Yeah, it's like pureed soup, kind of.

54:34It's pureed. And when it's like cold, it's like a solid, like it's like molded into the bowl. Yeah, yes, yes. But it's so good, you guys. And it's so healthy. It's really good for you. Lots of nutrients. You know what I had? That's my LAO. So there's this local Mexican food place by my house. And it's like family owned. It's been owned and operated by this family for years. And I got menudo from there. And it's just like, it's so good. I want to try their pozole next. What's manuto? I love pazzoli. What's manuto? It's, so like, I feel like maybe never had this. It's kind of, when I say this, people are going to be grossed out.

55:10But if you know, you know. It basically has like the... Beef tripe. Beef tripe. Beef tripe, yeah. Okay. It's a very unique... Which is cow's stomach. Like cow's stomach, yeah. Yeah. Like growing up Asian, like we would eat that. So a lot of people, people were probably like, what? No, a lot of people, yeah. Yeah. It's really good. And it was kind of the spice to it. And I don't know. I just love this Mexican food place. And I don't know. I know all the people there. I know the owner. Oh, Helen knows the owner. So that's my light energy object. Coupled with, I'm reading this fabulous book. I surround myself with a fabulous group of people called Case Histories by Kate Atkinson.

55:49And sometimes when I just want to get back into my reading era, I'll just scroll the Libby app and feel like, okay, what book is available now? So I can just read it on my Kindle immediately and not have to be in a wait line for like months. And I just came across this random book and Stephen King said this is like one of like his favorite books of all time. I was like the reviewer and I was like, if Stephen King signs off on it, I'm going to sign off on it. And it's basically a story. It's a couple of stories that ultimately they're like interwoven. And it's like a horror novel where like it's murder, it's missing people, and all stories kind of come together.

56:21And like 20 % of the way in, but it's very good. It takes place in England and the writer just, she writes the story so beautifully. And so I feel like I'm in England in like the 90s. Obsessed. My dark energy object, and I want to say this with a lot of care because I don't want to sound like I hate commenting on women's bodies. Something with Ariana Grande is deeply triggering and it's actually starting to concern me. And watching her on the Eternal Sunshine tour, listen, I'm like a huge Ariana Grande stan, okay? I saw her live on the Sweetener tour, I think in 2018 when she performed in San Jose.

56:55Ariana Grande is one of my favorite artists. I love her music. Since Honeymoon Avenue era, I am deeply concerned for her well-being. And seeing her on stage, panting and out of breath, her voice sounds incredible. But someone on her team needs to intervene. And it kind of reminds me of Half-Baked Harvest when she was on her book tour. And people were very concerned. They're like, dude, you shouldn't be traveling and having your body enduring all this. But with Ariana Grande, it's even more concerning because she's on stage for hours at a time. dancing and singing, I'm actually concerned she might faint.

57:23And I just hope she deeply gets the help that she needs. And I think the fact that she is wearing the kind of outfits that she is against dancers with bigger bodies than her, it's almost even more stark, the contrast. And I just, I don't know how to delicately say this, but it's just, it's concerning, period. And I want her to be healthy and better. And something is happening. And I just hope she seeks help. Yeah, she doesn't She doesn't look well. And there's been a lot of discourse about it because this was like the first show. Leg of the tour, yeah. Yeah, the first leg of the tour. And there's been a ton of discourse about it because it is pretty shocking when you see her.

58:01And again, just saying it out of a place of care for her. And I think that people, you know, are reminded a little bit of Karen Carpenter. Yes. And it's like, it's obviously just, it's sad. And we wish the best for her. And I think that, you know, people denying that there is a problem are not helping the situation. I don't know, but we're not helping the situation either. I don't know what there is to say that could be helpful. But I think, yes, there has been a lot of discourse about how unwell she looks and she looks unwell. Yeah. And I just wish her the best. Yeah. And I think what's troubling, too, is just when you are that sick, it's almost fuel when people are talking about it like this.

58:42And how thin you look. Yeah. It's fuel. So that's why I try not to. I never like to come out on anyone's body, period. I think here there is a lot of discourse about it. And I think we would be remiss not to mention it because it has been all over the internet, obviously. And it is very concerning. And people just want her to be okay and to survive. Yes, yes. And I think at this point, I think she, yeah, I just want her to be well. I want her to seek help immediately because I don't want to see one of my favorite artists like kind of disappearing before my eyes. Like she needs to be hospitalized, I think, period.

59:16So I want her to find that. And I don't even want to be on tour because I don't want to support this right now. Even though I love her and I really am excited for Petal, the album that's coming out very soon. I love that song, I Hate That You Made You Love Me, which clearly is about Ethan Slater, which, I mean, that's a whole other story in and of itself. dark, sinister. Even later, though, I see the vision. Unfortunately, I see the vision. Huh. Well, OK, that's good. So on a lighter note, really fast, I have one more LEO. Yeah. Widows Bay on Apple TV. Dude, I want to watch it so badly. I heard it's so good.

59:52You guys have to watch. It's so fucking good. So I actually we have a newsletter that goes out every Friday and it's linked to our show notes, our sub stack. And I was like, I haven't started it yet. So this is kind of a cop out, but I'm plugging the show that I've heard such good things about. And I think that, you know, it's been the talk of the town. I'm really excited to watch it. By the time the news, I wrote that on Thursday during the day. By the time the newsletter went out the next day, I had already caught up and binged the entire show. It's so, it's so fucking good. You guys, it's like Ryan Bailey, trigger warning, described it really well.

1:00:23He was like, it's a Stephen King novel meets workplace comedy starring Matthew Reese, who has such underratedly good comedic timing. Like, he's so funny. The Beast of Me, you guys. The Beast of Me, yeah. It has really, really, and The Americans, which I haven't watched, but I want to. Everyone says it's really good. But, like, it has its, like, funny moments, and then it's, like, really creepy and eerie and scary. And, like, I just, it's so good, you guys. I don't want to say too much. You guys just have to watch it yourself. It's on Apple TV. And it's funny because I have, like, a notes app of, like, dark energy objects and light energy objects that I like write down just throughout the week or whenever I think of them.

1:01:00And I have LEO, Widow's Bay. Well, first I had DEO, Apple TV, who watches these shows. Dude, Justice for Apple TV. And then right under that, I wrote Widow's Bay. Honestly, Justice for Apple TV because they actually produce some of the best shows, but their marketing is not on point. Yes, that's what it is. There's this, okay, there's this show and I have talked about it all the time. I don't know why it didn't get its flowers. Defending Jacob with Mary from Downton Abbey and Chris Evans. It is one of my favorite shows ever. It's basically about Chris Evans. He's a prosecutor in, I think, Boston.

1:01:35His young son, who's like 12, 13 years old, one of his son's classmates was murdered and found in like a park. And his son is the number one suspect. And he was on the case, but obviously he had to be removed because his son is the number one suspect. And you reconcile, did the son do it or did he not? And it just talks about like the trouble behind the scenes with like basically him and his wife trying to figure out, is our son capable of this? And like you're waffling back and forth as to whether the son is actually culpable or not. It's amazing. Defending Jacob, it released in 2020. I don't know why it didn't get more flowers.

1:02:04Okay, and on Rotten Tomatoes, 70%. So vindicated. Okay, fair. Fair. Remember Presumed Innocent with Jake Gyllenhaal? Jake Gyllenhaal. Yeah, great show. It tried to be like Defending Jacob. Defending Jacob was a million times better. Let's see how Presumed Innocent's run. But yeah, I think with Apple TV, it's the fact that they have all these expensive big budget shows and they don't market them so i'm like what like it's just so weird like i'm sorry who watches the morning show no like jennifer aniston and reese witherspoon who is watching i'm sorry it like creeps me out like like why are there these big shows that like to my knowledge no one is watching like it's it's giving like money laundering scheme like i don't really get it but they have like six seasons by the way yeah like i i don't i don't get it i'm sorry and now we're gonna the biggest morning show stands are going to come out of the woodwork.

1:02:49Just like when we talked about Vanderpump Villa, everyone was like, I love that show. Just so you know, The Morning Show was an Emmy-nominated show. Oh, okay. Well, it doesn't mean that anyone watched it. No, genuinely. But yeah, Widow's Bay is so good. And there is a new Apple TV show that I actually, I've been seeing previews of because I've been watching Widow's Bay on Apple TV, Cape Fear with Javier Bardem, Amy Adams, and Patrick Wilson. And I want to watch it so bad because obviously, you know, it's a classic. The original Cape Fear with Robert De Niro, I think. So good. So creepy. I'm excited.

1:03:27It looks really good. And I heard that Amy Adams is amazing in it. And I'm just I'm I'm sad she can't win an Oscar finally for this because it's a TV show because she deserves one. Yeah, no, she's amazing. She's really good in sharp objects. OK, well, that's all she wrote. If you guys are coming to the New York or Chicago Live shows this Friday and Sunday. We're excited to see you. Patreon bonus content every week. This week we're doing an AMA. Sophie asks me all the heavy hitting questions. And then next week we're doing an episode on the success of Road versus Kylie Cosmetics and why one worked and why one didn't.

1:03:59And Substack, YouTube, all that Instagram all in our show notes. And we're looking forward to seeing you guys tomorrow on Patreon or Thursday for another deep dive. Love you so much. Or in real life this weekend. Can't wait. Love you guys. Bye. Bye.

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