Dark Energy Tuesday (Taylor + Travis Wedding, Alix Earle/Stassie Baby/Nina Dobrev/Kylie Jenner, Halley Kate Wedding)

26:05That's so good. No, it's incredible. And I love like analyzing. And my theory, and this always changes, is that every song, almost every song is about Maddie Healy, obviously. I think there are two about Joe. So Long London and How Did It End, I think. But that's just my opinion. And then obviously two about Travis being so high school and The Alchemy. The Alchemy. Which is one of my favorites. I completely agree. I think LOML, people think it's about Joe. My sister and I fight about this all the time because my sister's a huge Swifty. I think LOML is about Mattie Healy. Me too. And I thought it was about Joe at first.

26:40And I wanted it to be about Joe because I'm a Joe and Taylor apologist. But I think it's about Mattie Healy. No, me too. I think that that was the loss of her life. And she knew it was over with Joe long before it actually was over. Well, speaking of, well, let's actually talk about people who weren't there. Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds. So we had been speculating for a very long time. Are they or are they not friends? And when she released Canceled on The Life of a Showgirl, I was like, okay, well, maybe they are friends. Like, I was very confused. But no matter what, we weren't getting any validation.

27:17And to me, I was like, well, maybe it's like a Kylie Jenner, Jordan Woods situation, where they're friends BTS, but she's just not publicly wanting to be seen with Blake because Blake has horrible PR right now and just no one likes her. But now we know for sure they are no longer in a good place. Kelly Teller also not present at the wedding, which we did a whole Kelly Teller episode a couple weeks back. It was like probably a month ago, two months ago. So you guys can go and listen if you want to hear more about Taylor and Kelly's relationship. But there was a source that told page six of the decision for Taylor to not invite Blake and Ryan to the wedding, who, by the way, Taylor is also the godparents to Blake and Ryan's children, but they said, quote, Taylor's in a different place now and she just wants to be around people she trusts and who bring her peace.

27:59And to me, it makes so much sense why Taylor decided to cut the cord when it comes to Blake, because Taylor is the biggest star on the planet right now. And I feel like her biggest fear is being used for her star power. And I feel like she thought that Blake was someone in her circle that would never use her star power against her for financial gain, for clout. And that's everything that Blake Lively did behind her back. So I get why Taylor didn't invite her. Yeah. Yeah. And I think like, similarly with Kelly, like she also used Taylor for clout, but it was just way like more obvious about it.

28:34Like Blake at least was very famous, not nearly Taylor's, but famous, you know, as the years have gone on, but, you know, very famous in her own right. And like had established herself. So it was probably more shocking that Blake would do something like that. And I'm sure Taylor, you know, keeps a lot of very, very famous people in her corner for many reasons, but one of them being that they understand what it's like to, like, the guards you have to have up, the paranoia that you have, like, befriending, dating, anything like that. Like, anyone could use you. And a lot of people probably have those intentions when they're, you know, in the circle of someone that famous.

29:09But someone like Blake, maybe she felt, and Ryan Reynolds, obviously very famous, felt more comfortable with them because they're already so established themselves and would have those same fears that she has. But clearly not. Right. Yeah, I mean, and I guess like Blake and Ryan were in Lake Placid in upstate New York watching their daughter Betty competed in a horse show. I don't know. Blake, Lively, and Ryan Reynolds, fortunately or unfortunately for them, whether or not you like her or not, I always found her to be the behavior on the ends with that lawsuit to be very disturbing, honestly. and I understand and completely stand with Taylor on her decision to not invite her.

29:50I love that you mentioned Diana Agron not being there. I didn't even think about that, Rachel. I love Diana Agron. And maybe she was there, we just haven't seen anything, obviously. But I have not seen a single thing. She's not posted on Instagram, to my knowledge. I checked earlier, but nothing was on her feed. And I feel like, I mean, if anyone saw her there, if she posted anything, think if she was spotted, that would have been posted somewhere on Reddit, on TikTok. People would have made it a big deal because obviously they haven't been spotted together in so long. And to my knowledge, Taylor did not go to Diana's wedding however many years ago.

30:24So I try not to feed in too much to the rumors of whether it's a woman or a man, just the speculation of people Taylor's dated because there's so many people that she has dated and whether you think it's PR or not, it's publicized. So the ones that like aren't, I try not to speculate too much on, but I love her and Diana Agron, whether it was a relationship or just a friendship. I think they're so fantastic. And I just love Diana. So I was sad she wasn't there, but I just don't think they're friends anymore. No, I completely agree. And yeah, the gay lore of it all, the gay lore of Swift, I feel like the followers are definitely let down because they're like, okay, our lore is officially over.

31:06she's now wed to a man not a woman but i mean and then you juxtapose the diana agron not being there to the carly claus of it all being there i think a lot of people were very shocked by carly claus being there because as far as we know their most recent interaction publicly was when carly and correct me if i'm wrong you were at other swifties listening but carly did attend the eros tour and everyone was shocked remember everyone's like wait everyone stop what you're doing carly claus is at the Eros tour. This is crazy. They haven't been spotted together in years, and now they're good, and now she's at the wedding.

31:39So that tells me something maybe really severe happened between her and Diana Agron, because if she's been able to mend the fence with Carly and all Diana, something must have went down. Right. I was shocked when Carly was there, because it's one thing, like, and I remember when it came out, and I'm pretty sure that is, I'm fairly certain that's the last time they were spotted, quote-unquote, together, was at her Eros tour. And that surprised me but like not really in the sense that like anyone go to the heirs tour and um well except for me because i didn't get to go but um you didn't go to the heirs tour no i sat outside of it in philly um but it was just so expensive for like the worst seats ever and no one no one in my life got pre-sale so but i sat outside and it was it was still a great experience with my friends but yeah you're a true swifty that you said like that's true swifty shit it was fun it was fun you could still hear very well.

32:29Took a bottle of wine. The only other thing I'll say about Carly Kloss is that she was wearing a gold dress, which we can all read into things. I think it's a little bit interesting. Wait, what's that about? Well, it's highly speculated that Gold Rush is about Carly Kloss by Gaylor Conspirus. I don't think there's anything directly so evident that it is about Carly Kloss, but that song, the one line that's like, our coastal town has never seen a love as pure as this something like that i think a lot of gaylers will um think of carly and taylor's trip to big sir or wherever it was like that infamous trip and photo shoot and such so they'll tie that and there's like other things that people pointed out i love dissecting her songs and figuring out who they're about that's like not one of my favorite ones to do because i don't think there's that much i think wonderland is definitely about diana agron one million but uh but again i I don't want to speculate, but there's so many ties to it that, like, to me, that one is at least there's more of an argument there.

33:27But, yeah, I think it's interesting that Karlie Kloss showed up and in gold nonetheless. Wow. I didn't have no idea that Gold Rush was about Karlie Kloss. That was one of my favorite songs on Evermore. It was on Evermore. Yeah. Yes. Was obsessed with that song. Okay. People were very upset about Brad Pitt being there. And I had to, like, read the police report about what happened with Brad Pitt. I'm just going to read one section of the police report about his behavior to Angelina Jolie and their children on a private plane. Which is, how scary is that? That you're being terrorized by your father, or in Angelina's case, your husband, and you have no way out, like, in a private plane.

34:12Terrifying. So trigger warning, we're going to talk about it really fast. So as documented in a lengthy and detailed FBI report, Pitt's aggressive behavior started even before the family got to the airport, with Pitt having a confrontation with one of the children. After the flight took off, Jolie approached Pitt and asked him what was wrong. Pitt accused her of being too differential to the children and verbally attacked her. An hour and a half later, Pitt abruptly walked over to Jolie, demanding come here and directed her to get to the back of the plane. He pulled her into the bathroom and began yelling at her.

34:41Pitt grabbed Jolie by the head, shook her, and then grabbed her shoulders and shook her again before pushing her into the bathroom wall. Pitt then punched the ceiling of the plane numerous times, prompting Jolie to leave the bathroom. As she exited, one of the children asked, Are you okay, mommy? Pitt yelled back, No, mommy's not okay, and started deriding Jolie with insults. When one of the children verbally defended Jolie, Pitt lunged at his own child, and Jolie grabbed him from behind to stop him. To get Jolie off his back, Pitt threw himself backwards into the airplane seat injuring Jolie's back and elbow.

35:12The children rushed in and all bravely tried to protect her and each other. Before it was over, Pitt choked one of the children and struck another in the face. Some of the children pleaded with Pitt to stop. They were all frightened. Many were crying. Basically, it goes on to say that once the plane landed, Pitt was arguing with the children. He wasn't allowing them to deplane. Just like an absolute terror. And I think Brad Pitt is one of those celebrities who will never be canceled. Interestingly enough, I was just scrolling Reddit and there was like this Ask Reddit. On the Ask Reddit subreddit, people asked, what's a celebrity that will never be canceled?

35:45And so many people were saying Chris Brown and Brad Pitt. Brad Pitt has this A-list name recognition. He'll always be like the dreamiest, hunky, you know, celebrity when in fact he's an absolute monster. And I feel like you juxtapose that with say, I'm just throwing this out there, like Ashton Kutcher, who I think has been scorned, rightfully so, and people don't really want to hear from neither him nor Mila Kunis ever again. But Brad Pitt, for whatever reason, has this like staying power that people just choose to ignore. And I think Taylor Swift is obviously no different having invited him. And then to me, I'm like, how do they even know one another?

36:20Do they have any relation? What were your thoughts on this? Yeah, I was shocked that he was invited. And just rereading this that you put into the doc to like forgot a lot of the details. And I mean, and that just speaks to like how he's like, quote unquote, uncancellable. I'm like, how did I forget how terrible this was? Obviously, like not intentionally. But yeah, I guess, you know, it's something with like, I mean, I'm sure it comes down to PR teams. And I'm sure he has an impeccable PR team because something like this would cancel really any other celebrity, rightfully so. So, yeah, I don't see the connection between her and Brad Pitt, nor would I.

36:58There's so many people like that. And I get that we're not in these celebrities' lives and maybe she does know him. But then also, what does that really say about her? Is she's friends with him? Or maybe it's connected through Travis, but how? Yeah, it's one of those things where people are saying it's the company you keep. And to your point, is it even worse if you know him? okay like i guess what's worse that she knows him that she knows him and she's friendly with him and they're in the same circles or that she doesn't know him and she has no problem with the abuse that he's uh sustained or he's granted towards all of his children and to angelina um i don't know what's more disturbing like what's worse you're friends with a crazy person or you're not friends but you don't care about it and you decide to invite them to their what to your wedding and either way you're dismissing it kind of exactly exactly and how is this really any different than like Ashton and Mila writing that impact, that character witness statement to the judge, basically saying he is a great father and friend, when in fact Danny Masterson is, let's call it what it is, a rapist.

38:03He's terrifying. If you've read the police reports, it's not, I mean, rape is like the worst sin besides murder, but it's like you're standing up for this absolute monster. How is this really, it's not much different, I should say. And we would be remiss to not bring up the executive chair of one of the ICE attention centers based in El Paso, Texas, also being invited. And there was a lot of questions as to like, I saw a lot of people like dispelling these rumors saying, no, no, no, you've got the wrong Stephen Dimitro. Stephen Dimitro is actually an Ohio Republican state rep, but and his father.

38:43So sorry, sorry. People were saying, no, the Stephen Dimitro that you're thinking of was not invited, this ICE attention center. chair. It's actually his son. But no, I've read by someone, some tweet by at Here's Why Kevin saying, no, both of them were actually present. Both son, who is Ohio Republican state rep, and the father, who's a executive chair at this place called Emetem Services, which is a company responsible for operating Camp East Montana, which is an ICE detention facility in El Paso, Texas. And I was reading a little bit about this. And essentially, this company called Emetem state services, received a sole source contract to manage the detention center overseeing housing, transport, and medical care for detainees.

39:27And there are some questions as to like, how does Taylor or Travis know this specific individual? And the source states that Stephen Demetrio has personal ties to the groom. He's adoptive father of basketball player Reggie King, one of Kelsey's close childhood friends, which could offer a possible explanation for why he was even at the wedding to begin with. But people have a lot of problems with this, not only because obviously he's an executive chair at this specific detention facility, but also, as if that's any, you know, that's already bad in and of itself. But since the facility opened, at least three detainees have died while they've been in custody at the specific detention center.

40:04One of the deaths involved a 55-year-old Cuban national Geraldo Lunas Campos, and his death was ruled a homicide by the El Paso County Medical Examiner, although Department of Homeland Security officials have described his death as a result of an attempted suicide. So whatever it may be, just dark shit that has happened at a specific detention center. And there's also been operational failings at the specific center where it opened without perimeter security cameras, outdoor recreational areas were not allowed on the premises. And just like it wasn't a suitable place for detainees to be held. So this is just really disturbing.

40:39I think we can all agree. Whether or not it sounds like there is some childhood connection, familial connection with Travis Kelsey, but all in all, just not a good look. No. And something I guess I can add of another thing that I saw a lot of people kind of talking about on social media, and I obviously side-eyed, It was the White House making posts about her wedding and the era's tour and just like the weird ass era's edit of Donald Trump and the edit of like something saying something along the lines of like Trump is your president on the MSG billboards. And obviously we know Taylor is not going to like go on her Instagram story and like address this or denounce it on Twitter.

41:25Like that's not who she is anymore. Like that's not the type of celebrity. She doesn't do that anymore. but something that I saw someone on Reddit talking about is like we see all of these articles coming out about how Blake and Ryan were invited and kind of doing this like PR cover-up you know painting Taylor as great and and like and Ryan is not again I would say this loving Taylor but like needing to like understand her flaws or just like understand like um the method behind a lot of this and it's not, you know, always super sincere or like genuine. There's obviously a lot of PR going on behind the scenes, but they're able to kind of denounce Blake and Ryan, which rightfully so maybe, but not the stuff that our president is doing.

42:10Wait, that's actually such a good point, Rachel, that I didn't even think of. You're so right. As I was just scrolling my feed this weekend, I kept thinking there's a lot of bad PR for Blake and Ryan. And it keeps saying a source tells us that they didn't want Taylor Swift not to, Taylor Swift didn't want Blake to be invited. It's like we all know the source is coming from Team Taylor, whether that's tree pain or someone in that camp. Taylor is going out of her way to make sure we all know her and Blake are no longer close. But then you have the ICE Attention Center Executive Chair, Stephen Dimitro, in attendance and you're not going to dispel that.

42:43Or when Donald Trump is using your heiress tour merchandise to like for his own agenda, you're not willing to denounce that. Yeah, yeah. And I'm thinking of, for instance, Ariana Grande or Olivia Rodrigo where the White House used their songs for some kind of campaign on social media. And both those two denounced it publicly and said, don't fucking use my songs for your weird presidential White House campaign or whatever it may be. And wherever you stand on politics, it's like, I think it's just, it is a very good point that Taylor is willing to denounce Blake, but not the ICE detention center specifically.

43:17And like I said, like, I don't, in a perfect world, she would like get on her Instagram story and, or, you know, put something out to her followers. But like that obviously isn't anything that she really does anymore, but do it through a source, you know, like your team should be, should be addressing this, I think. Yeah, I completely, completely agree. And I think at this point, what would she even say? Because it sounds like this man, Stephen Demetrio, let's call him senior because it sounds like the son who's this Ohio rep was also there. But it's causing a lot of confusion amongst people. No, he wasn't there.

43:50No, he was there. It sounds like he was there. What would you even say? How would you even clap back? There is no. You're correct. Yeah. Yeah, there is no response to it other than like, okay, so we'll just, we'll file that away. And like, listen, me and Rachel are Swifties, but we can also kind of have an opinion on what we deem to be right or wrong. So that's kind of all I will say about that. But it's a little bit disheartening, for sure. Okay, anything else on the wedding? i feel like we covered so much i mean if we want to do on a lighter note the like just tnt married i don't even know how to say it because it was such a weird uh obviously for at &t but like um the sign yeah okay i was so okay i'm just like dumb i think because i kept reading and i was like i don't get this i don't get it i get it and i was like it's so cringe it's cringe and tacky but that's kind of taylor yeah i mean it is it is quintessentially her so like go for it but yeah it wasn't like for someone who is such a lyrical genius and everything makes sense and things are clever i'm like that obviously shouldn't come up with it but like that was like not clever because i didn't understand when it was at first no no i i didn't either i was like okay but everyone's like oh my god she's so like tacky i'm like yeah she's always been like this And I kind of like that she's leaning into it.

45:12Like that to me, when I saw that all over like MSG, I'm like, that's so funny to me. Like I just I have to love her for being cringy as cringy as hell. OK, really quickly, I just want to touch on Alex Earl and Stassi Baby's newfound friendship. Have you been following the Alex Earl of it all and like her over Fourth of July weekend? Not really, honestly. I was preoccupied with MSG, but I should. And I did do a little research after I saw your notes in the doc. And I also saw your TikTok about Alex, Nina, and Braxton, which obviously is a whole other thing. But I don't know that much about their relationship or their friendship.

45:54So last month, Alex, Earl, and Stassi Baby were vacationing at Monaco, I think, for the F1. I don't know, sports. F1 competition. there was rumors that Alex might have been with Lando Norris or no Saucy Baby was actually with Lando Norris whatever it was they were on an Aloe brand trip on a yacht parting with all these F1 medalists and they ended up like traveling even more together they extended their trip and now Saucy Baby and Alex Earl are in the summer house house in the Hamptons so it's clear that the summer house cast is no longer filming at their original house that they've been filming in the last like four or five years um and they're just like parting it up and they both attended the white party together.

46:35And it was notable that none of the Kardashians, as far as I knew, I heard rumors that like Kim and Khloe were there, but then other people were like, no, Kim and Khloe were not actually at the white party. Whatever it may be, Alex Earl and Stassi Baby 100 % went together. I did a TikTok on Alex confronting Nina Dobrev for allegedly hooking up with Braxton. And we at Snarkbait team had heard about this rumor back in March. And I posted that receipt to my Instagram at KristiNoel underscore underscore. And it kind of like has done pretty well. but we heard about this back in like March 23rd where this came across our desk and now it seems as if it's come across Alex Earl's desk and she knows that Nina and Braxton did in fact hook up just two months after Alex and Nina had spent time together on New Year's Eve in that same Bart's trip which was like super, super dark energy but sorry, I'm going in so many different directions but I think one, Alex Earl and Saucy Baby are now besties and it seems like Saucy Baby and Kylie like haven't been spending a lot of time together I know Saucy Baby was at Kylie's Turks and Caicos Kylie Cosmetics like brand trip with like Carter and like Victoria and all that.

47:41But they haven't really been seen together since. And people are theorizing on the Internet that Kylie and Saucy Baby are beefing, which is like, huh, very interesting. Two, is this a recession indicator that the Kardashians weren't at Michael Rubin's white party? Like, what's that about? and three well we all knew about alex earl and uh nina and braxton and i think nina's shady as shit for doing that sorry a bunch of stuff any thoughts on that rachel i mean my main like top of mind thought is like i don't think braxton is that cute so like my like you should never do it to a friend but like who knows how close nina and alex are obviously i mean i i looked up their ages and not the people in different age groups can't be friends but like they have a really wide age gap so like how much do they actually have in common you know outside of going on boats and being famous um but obviously so you like would never do that to a friend but don't know the degree of their friendship but like why braxton too like i don't think he's attractive at all no or he doesn't really have any good attributes so i don't really like all that all this like fighting for him um but obviously so shady and i think nina just like moves weirdly And it's hard for me because I like her.

48:54And I like the Vampire Diaries back in the day. And I want to really like her. But there's something like she's just kind of like I think she tries really hard to stay relevant. And that sounds like a little silly because I know she's maintained fame for a long time. But it doesn't really seem like she's done anything huge since the Vampire Diaries that I can remember. Her finances make no sense. And I think that's why people often side-eye her because they're like, are the yachting allegations in fact true? Because Hayden Panettiere even said in her memoir that she was parting with a girl and her lifestyle made no sense.

49:31When you look at her body of work and people are theorizing she was talking about Nina Dobrev. I also think Nina Dobrev is just stunning. I've liked her since the Degrassi era. Yes. If I know you know. Of course I watched Degrassi. Yeah, yeah. I've liked her since then. I didn't watch TVD, but I've heard it's like a very nice comfort watch. And maybe I'll pick that up if I need something. I need something pretty Little Liars-esque, like a cozy thriller. Harper's Island. Kind of like Willow's Bay. What? I've told you this. Harper's Island. Harper's? You need to watch it. Yes. So I was on Reddit and someone was asking, like, what's a new thriller I can watch that's similar to Widow's Bay?

50:10And some people were saying Harper's Island. It's so good. I mean, it's obviously not new, but it's so—it might as well be because it's the best show ever. But I'm glad I could plug that really quickly because no one's seen it. And if anyone listening has seen it, I would love to talk to you about it because I feel like I'm the only person that's ever seen it. Oh, I love it. I love it. Okay. We are running out of time, but I do want to talk about Hallie Kate's wedding. because I don't follow Hallie Kate. And we've done a Hallie Kate and Jazz episode in a What's the Snark? I think like probably six, seven months ago.

50:42But Rachel is notorious. Like she helped us write that document because she is a Hallie Kate apologist, whether you like that or not. So I'm curious what your thoughts were on her wedding and most notably the hat that she wore to the wedding. Yeah. So as Christy said, I like Hallie Kate. I don't, you know, she is out of touch. And she has had, I personally think, too many cosmetic procedures done and like things she didn't need to do. So there's definitely snark worthy things to say about her. But overall, as a person, I personally find her to be one of the more like real slash relatable slash genuine New York City influencers.

51:23And I really don't like love a lot of them. So I do actually really like Hallie Cape. I think it's I think it's funny that she was so adamant on like this isn't a real wedding. this isn't a real wedding. It kind of was. There wasn't a big ceremony with everyone, but for the purposes of what it was, I think it was very similar to a wedding. And I think that she, and I saw people talking about this on Reddit as well, my only news source, a big reason why she's probably keeps saying it's not a wedding and downplaying it maybe has to do with the fact that her and Reed, she'd been disappointed by Reed before.

52:02Obviously, this is all speculation, but, you know, we do know for a fact that he broke up with her all those years ago. And maybe, like, even subconsciously, she doesn't even realize that that's making her feel like she, you know, doesn't want to expect a lot or doesn't want to have a big thing. But also, it's perfectly normal to not want a big wedding. I just feel like she did have a big wedding. So it's interesting to hear her talk about how she didn't want one and she's not like that and she's never dreamed of one. And then I'll move on to her dress, too, just for the sake of time, but I didn't like it.

52:34It's not my style, but I appreciate that she takes risks with the dress and the hat. I thought it was wild. Honestly, it was not what I was expecting, but then I thought about it a little bit more. She's always been someone. I've never really thought she was great style, but I think that she leans into what she likes, and it's a very personal style, and she takes risks. It was true to herself in that way. She went to school for fashion i believe and has always the first videos i ever saw of her were her when she was in high school and this was like years after she was in high school reflecting on the outfits she wore in high school and she was the girl that would wear stilettos to like 11th grade like it's like so i'm like this actually makes perfect sense so she's over the top and i think she loomed into it and like yeah it's her and it's camp and it's yeah so i can appreciate her kind of being unapologetic about it.

53:27Me too. I did not like acquired styles dress. I am dying, Rachel. Acquireds look like a rave fit. A hundred percent. No, like what is that? Yeah, I was, and I'm pretty sure that was only a ceremony with like a family and I think she's having, I could be wrong. I was trying to figure this out, but like, I don't think it was like her actual wedding with like friends or like it was like the ceremony, but not like the reception or or I'm 27. I'm nowhere near getting married. So I don't even know what to call these things. But I think she's having a bigger celebration after the fact. But yeah, I don't like the dress.

54:05Yeah, I think that people were being so mean about Hallie Cates hat. And I feel like the dress and the hat together was a bit much. I know nothing about fashion guys. So I'm not purporting to like know anything about anything. But just from a very objective lens, I'm like, whoa, that's just like a lot of stuff and I feel like with weddings it you know those pictures are going to last a lifetime so I think if it were me I always try to make my look be as timeless as possible like even with like makeup and stuff like there's certain wedding photos that I look at of like people's and I'm like oh that's like a 2016 like look with like the highlighter and the cut crease or whatever and you want to make sure like your your makeup and your looks timeless as well so I think when that pertains to maybe the dress this just looks like a lot and so i'd imagine when she gets older she may regret this but maybe she does she won't like maybe this is just exactly what what she's wanted um but the acquired oh i need to talk about the the bran flakes though because do you like bran flakes i feel like no no wait why i seriously am such an apologist i'm like he doesn't bother me no um i obviously he's from philly i think he just moved to la i'm pretty sure yeah he's from philly my the first like impression i ever really had of him was my friend boots on the ground said he was really really rude to her at the bar so i already had that bad taste in my mouth oh okay i could go more into it but i just find him to be really performative and a lot of the TikToks just like rub me the wrong way.

55:40So it's purely a personal thing. So I understand because I meet a lot of people that really like him and I think that like it's nice that like he can be a little bit more raw or real about certain things and I know a lot of people like that he's very like transparent about what money he makes from social media which is great in itself. But there's something like how you guys really just like jake shane and i don't love jake shane but i don't hate him but i don't hate brand flakes but i find brand flakes to be more dark energy than jake shane no that's completely fair i think that there's something about men and female dominated spaces that gives incredibly dark energy whether you're straight gay whatever it's like this is a girly pop space um but something about jake shane i think that the reason why he bothers me is because i'm self-aware enough to know he has the life that I want.

56:32Okay. He's out on red carpets. He's out interviewing celebrities. He's friends with all of them. Like, listen, I know when I see it, like that's a very enviable lifestyle that I would like to be a part of. I will never be a part of that space. And I am jealous. And I am willing to say that with brand flakes. I think I'm, I get a little bit more troubled by his behavior because he's constantly like talking about his panic and generally generalized anxiety disorder. I love that he's so open about it, but it's also like alcohol also really really um aggravates those symptoms so maybe relax on the drinking a little bit yeah yeah there's i mean and i'm like i think it's also i'm like if i hear hallie kate core one more fucking time like please it's it's enough please spare me but obviously i have my own personal opinions and a lot of people disagree with me i know a lot of people like brand flakes So yeah, he's yeah.

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57:52I love waking up not sweaty. Quince has everything you need to make your bed feel cooler, lighter, and more comfortable for summer. From breathable sheets to linen, shams, and duvet covers in soft, seasonal colors, relaxed stripes, and timeless neutrals. My absolute favorite is their 100 % organic cotton percale sheets and duvet cover. The material is so crisp and comfy and even has a cooling effect, which is obviously perfect for those hot summer nights. I also love the look of it. It's a soft gray gingham and just has this classic look that instantly elevates our bedroom. And I love knowing that we're sleeping on 100 % cotton and not some cheap polyester blend.

58:26I also love their Mulberry Silk pillowcases and eye masks. They help keep your hair smooth and skin hydrated overnight because they don't absorb your natural oils like other materials do. Quince bedding is made for literal beauty sleep, you guys. And in case you need a reminder, everything at Quince is 50 % to 80 % less than similar brands because they work directly with ethical manufacturers and cut out the middleman. so you're paying for quality materials without the luxury markup. Make your summer bedding feel better. Go to quince.com slash snarkbait for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns.

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1:00:06This summer, serve up the cookout classics. Oscar Mayer hot dogs and Heinz mustard. Grill up a dog, add classic yellow mustard, or loaded Chicago style. We all know it's not a cookout without Oscar Mayer and Hines. Okay, let's get into LEO. I'm literally dying at all of your DEOs. Okay, so let's start with the LEOs. I had to go to the Apple Store this weekend, and I got there early. And they opened at my store's location opened at 10 a.m. And I was there at like 9.55, so I was just waiting for them to open their doors. And the second that like 9.59 hit, they opened the doors and all the Apple employees started to clap.

1:00:46It was so cute. And then I like asked one of the employees like, oh, like, do you guys do this like every day? He's like, yeah, every day. Because it is that serious. Like, I love it. Like, when you have to get your phone fixed when you need something, your laptop fixed when you need something new, like, it is that serious. And they're always so nice at the Apple store. So nice. And I don't know a damn thing about phones. No, me too. You're right. The morale that they have at the store locations, like give all those people a raise are always so helpful, so nice, so patient. And it was so cute.

1:01:19When I got a new laptop a couple months ago, they were transferring like the cloud from one laptop to the other, whatever. And one of the employees that was helping me was also helping this like older Asian woman. She could not really speak English, but she thought her device, basically, he was able to retrieve all of her photos again from the iCloud. and she started to sob and she was like, I thought I lost all these photos. And he goes, you're so smart. You back them up on the cloud. And like she hugged him and it was just so sweet. Like these Apple employees are so sweet. I love them. So I'll go into my LEO, which is the love of my life, Nick Robinson.

1:01:55I forgot for a little how in love I was with him, but we're back. Did you have you seen the movie he's in, Voicemails for Isabel? Of course, I was sobbing. I was watching it. Oh, it's so good. And I love Zoe Deutsch. I was so sad to hear that allegedly she is not a pleasure to work with. Obviously not by Nick Robinson. They seem very good friends, but from other sources. So that was disappointing because I love her. But I have loved Nick Robinson since Love, Simon, and I've loved him in everything since. And he just is like the definition of boyfriend. Like they don't make them like him often.

1:02:30Like he is a Nate Archibald, a Chase Crawford when he was specifically Nate Archibald type boyfriend level. someone that just feels like your boyfriend what else is he in nick robinson um he's in a teacher um if you remember that show obviously tough watch um with oh about kate mara is that her name yeah oh i didn't know he was in that he's the student yeah oh um yeah like tough watch um he is in made uh with uh margaret qualley and he plays like such a mean abusive i haven't seen it in a while so i I don't want to misconstrue what it was about. But from my recollection, character, which is so opposite of what he normally plays, that was a great show.

1:03:16And more stuff, but I don't really know. Wow. For some reason, I thought this was his debut. You're like, oh, my God. I hit a gem. Yeah, you're like, bravo, first time. Yeah, no, he's not huge, though. But I have loved him since 2018. I just forgot for a little bit. He doesn't really do it for me, but, like, my best friend, ML, was telling me the same thing. She's like, oh, he's so cute. I'm like, oh, he's cute, but, like, I don't know. Like, I found his character. I love the movie, but I found his character and voicemails to Isabel to be a little bit creepy. Yeah, no, 100%. Like, there is, like, a lot of—whenever I finish any type of media, straight to Reddit, gotta see what other people think.

1:03:59Yeah. And there was—and I obviously agree with a lot of it. there's a lot of discourse about how like that was that is like really really intrusive weird stalkerish yes manipulative behavior yes which are all correct but I love Nick in person no he's cute he I I get I get why people think he's cute he doesn't do it for me but I get it um okay let's move on to DEOs my DEOs is food scented beauty products someone put on the Sephora subreddit um a glow recipe like that brand banana milk kit it's like a moisturizer and like a balm enough with the food scented products like your skincare should not smell or smell like anything like I I don't know I don't like that it gives cheap to me like I just want it to help my skin I don't need it to smell like anything yeah there's like something like Like, banana milk.

1:04:59Yeah, what's that? I'm good. And, you know, I love Glow Recipe because I think it's a Korean, like, an Asian-owned skincare brand. Like, we love that for them. But, like, you don't—not everything needs to taste or smell like something. And it kind of reminds me of Jessica Simpson's dessert line back in the day when she had, like, that weird body cream that you could, like, eat. Oh, she would. It's so gross. And it's also kind of, like, that's very hyper-sexualized. Like, I don't like that. Oh, yeah, that is really weird. I'm going to have to look that up. I don't have any recollection of it. Oh, yeah, no, it was well before your time.

1:05:33Me and my best friend Sarah were talking about LimeWire, you guys. And we look at Rachel, we go, do you know what LimeWire is? She goes, never heard of it. And do you know how old I felt? Because we were like, oh, LimeWire is going to give your computer SARS. And Rachel was laughing. We're like, Rachel, you don't know what that is. She's like, you're right, I don't. I understand the negative connotation. or like that that would be a bad thing to happen. And I've heard LimeWire. I just don't know what it is. She also didn't know, you guys. Sorry not to call you out. She also didn't know what MTV Cribs was.

1:06:06I was like, oh my God. I've heard of it again, but wasn't watching. No, Sophie, you guys were in diapers when this came out. Rachel's like, dude, I'm not that young. Why do you keep saying that? Yeah, I was born in 1999. 99. So. Oh, my God. Yeah. Do you know who Mary-Kate and Ashley are? Like, I need to know now. Love them. Genuinely. Because I had asked my friend Maria, who is 22. I was like, just curious if the schools are teaching what I hope they're teaching. Do you know who Mary-Kate and Ashley are? She's like, yeah. Why? I'm like, thank God. The curriculum is still intact. Yeah. That is so funny.

1:06:46What's your DEO? My DEO. I have two, actually. That video of Joe and Sarah Pidgeon, Joe Alwyn and Sarah Pidgeon. Wait, what were they doing? Did you see them making it on like this tall grass? It's very alarming. I figured you would have seen it. I'm like, and Shannon from Fluently Forward, I was watching her TikTok on it and she described Sarah as wagging her tail. And it's like, unfortunately, spot on. Like, that's actually what she's doing. It's very weird. And I just find it like, you know, people can change their tune on things. So maybe Joe wanted privacy and now he realizes to be a celebrity, you can't just hide away and then get roles and pay the bills.

1:07:25Like, it's just not realistic in this day and age of social media. But I just find it so odd how, like, him and Sarah are so PDA versus with Taylor Swift. Like, absolutely not. I like Sarah Pidgeon a lot. I like Joe Alwyn. I really like him and Taylor together. I know I have to let that go. Like, she is married and I am very happy for my friend but there is something about joe and taylor i always really liked and i think maybe they just like i thought they made sense together but that's also very parasocial of me but it's a little hard to see him move on no me too i 100 agree with you by the way i it is very very difficult to see him move on and be so pda with someone that isn't taylor because he was so specific about not wanting to be seen at all not even like remember that one fucking sighting of them when it was like bigfoot where they were like hiking and I was like oh wow like yes we never saw them together and it was like disappointing I get you don't want a PDA but you don't even want to do like a walk with her it just felt so I don't know I I'm with you it it's it felt insidious yeah it's weird and the video is just weird but yeah to each their own um and then my other DEO is I saw someone like make a TikTok about this a while ago and it's like stuck with me and this is something that like genuinely pisses me off when someone is like telling a story where they're like complaining or like sharing their side of the story or something they're frustrated by um and you try to relate to them and then they go no it's not even that or like you try and bring something up like well fuck me then like i'm sorry that i'm trying to be a supportive friend but all right it just feels like i feel like you're calling me stupid like no it's so it's so patronizing It is.

1:09:10It's like, I'm just trying to relate to you. Like, I would never say that to someone because it's like, even if I don't necessarily agree that their experience aligns with mine, I wouldn't specifically call it out because I'm not out here trying to embarrass people. No, no, it's not even that. Okay, then what is it? No, that's so rude. And I would never say that to someone. Honestly, like, I go out of my way to not embarrass people. Do you know what I mean? Like sometimes one time I have this distinct memory of me and all my friends. We were taking a walk in college and we walked past this Braille Institute by my home.

1:09:48And one of my friends, Matt, bless his heart, he's like, huh, a Braille Institute. Now, what is that? And I didn't say anything because I was like, I don't want to embarrass him. And then one of my friends was like, what did you just say? Like she was like, I'm so embarrassed that you just said that. And he like, I could tell he's embarrassed. I'm like, I would have just let it be. You know? No, like sometimes like I can't handle like hurting someone's feelings. Sometimes I be relating just to make them feel like not embarrassed. And then you hit me with the no, it's not even that. Well, I'm done trying then.

1:10:20No, I that is like I feel that so deeply within my heart. It's just like I don't want to speak up ever again. Yeah, like I'm just not going to talk then. No, that's so funny and relatable. I know so many people can relate to that specific instance. Rachel we are so happy to have you on Dark Energy Tuesday you guys if you follow us on Instagram at snarkapod Rachel is responsible for making our Instagram real just like killer like you're so good at what you do she's so smart and you really are that you really are that girl like you're so funny you're just like the best I'm obsessed with you I'm so happy you were able to sub in for Sophie I know she's super grateful Sophie is living her best life in a tropical destination in Curacao just like spending good old time with HOPD, HOTP, husband of the pod.

1:11:08And we're so thankful for you for coming on today. Any other closing thoughts, Rachel? No, just that I am so grateful that I could join you today. I had so much fun talking about my favorite thing ever, Taylor Swift. So it was just perfect timing, stars aligned. And I'm so grateful for the opportunity. Yeah. Well, we'll see you guys tomorrow for an episode of Patreon with Olivia and Sophie again for What's the Snark on Thursday. Follow us. We have Substack every Friday. Patreon bonus episodes every Wednesday. Add free episodes Tuesday, Thursdays as well over on Patreon. So we'll see you guys on the next one.

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