In short
The episode of Snarkbait (Sophie and Christy) is a pop-culture/Bravo discussion focused on the Westmandevall scandal and its fallout, plus quick takes on The Valley premiere.
Guests
None. (The “guests” mentioned are not podcast guests; they’re people discussed: Westmandevall’s alleged partners/girlfriends and other reality-TV cast members. The episode also includes a segment about hairstylist Simone.)
Guest backgrounds (discussed people)
Westmandevall (Summer House) is alleged to have had a secret girlfriend Miha (Chicago-based, artsy; made a silver horse-hair tie) and to have hooked up with Sierra (Labor Day–Super Bowl timeframe). Amanda (West’s partner/ex) is discussed as having also crossed boundaries with Craig and as possibly being manipulated. Sierra is framed as the primary victim.
Key claims
Miha and Sierra rumors; Wes allegedly named Miha on Watch What Happens Live; Wes is portrayed as manipulative/possibly narcissistic; Amanda may need to “turn on” Wes for accountability.
Notable examples
Under-the-table hand-squeezing with Craig; alleged cheek kiss; Sierra’s racism-related confessional; Carl/Lindsay Uber Eats ad; Loverboy merch and “Carl’s a mess” meme; The Valley casting complaints (Lala over Sheena) and Janet’s “gooch” skin tag storyline.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOIntroduction to Snarkbait
0:57 to 1:54
Hosts Sophie and Christy welcome listeners and discuss updates.
“They're calling this a battle for the fans.”
Family Party and Heritage
2:06 to 2:45
Sophie shares her experience at a large family Easter gathering.
“Happy Easter to everyone that celebrates.”
Encountering Nature: Snakes
2:48 to 4:03
Discussion about seeing snakes in the wild and family stories.
“It was built in the 40s and it has like acres of property and they just basically, but then we saw a snake.”
Haircut Experience with Local Stylist
4:47 to 6:06
Christy talks about her haircut experience with a new stylist.
“But I actually got reached out to by a baby snark named Simone.”
Lighthearted Banter and Impressions
6:43 to 8:19
The hosts share light-hearted impressions and personal anecdotes.
“Just, like, trying to fucking, Henry, what are you doing?”
The Value of 'Country Strong'
9:13 to 10:37
Discussion on the film 'Country Strong' and its significance.
“a star is born with bradley cooper and lady gaga as a remake but country strong i i swear to you is it covers everything.”
West Mandeville Updates
11:08 to 14:01
Hosts discuss recent developments in the West Mandeville saga.
“We did an emergency episode after they dropped their statement.”
West's Manipulative Behavior
14:01 to 15:00
Discussion of West's deceitful actions towards multiple women.
“Lying about Amanda and then hooking up with Cedar.”
Amanda's Involvement and Impact
15:01 to 18:08
Analyzing Amanda's role in the situation and her relationship dynamics.
“But he also knew that Amanda wanted to keep this a secret also.”
Rumors and Speculations Around Amanda
18:09 to 19:55
Exploring rumors about Amanda's interactions with other cast members.
“Amanda was also hooking up with Wes while that was airing.”
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Kyle's Concerns and Relationship Dynamics
19:56 to 21:45
Discussion of Kyle's worries about Amanda and their relationship's status.
“I, if you guys have seen that clip circulating on Bravo, which if you're as online as Sophie and I are, you guys have seen this.”
Friendship Dynamics and Loyalty
21:46 to 24:18
Examining the loyalties and friendships within the cast, particularly Amanda and Paige.
“Kyle said, this whole rumor has made me rethink the entire summer.”
The Aftermath of Recent Events
24:19 to 25:49
Discussing the impact of recent controversies on the cast and the show's future.
“Hannah feels vindicated, but it's like, we all saw season five, girl.”
Future of Summer House and In the City
25:50 to 28:00
Speculating on the future direction of the shows post-controversy.
“You know, like I want the rest of the cast to thrive.”
Future of Summer House and Viewer Engagement
28:00 to 29:12
Discussion on the future of Summer House and how viewer engagement can shift due to scandals.
“I predict that, I don't know, there could be a world where Ciara walks away altogether.”
Jesse Solomon's Controversial Statements
29:12 to 30:58
An analysis of Jesse Solomon's claims and the implications of his actions regarding West and Amanda.
“People were like, I want to get in on the drama, like what's happening, what's going on, and starting Summer House from the beginning.”
Wes and Sierra: A Complicated Relationship
30:58 to 34:11
Exploration of Wes's relationship with Sierra and the emotional dynamics involved.
“But this baby Snarks friend was seated right by him at said pool.”
Amanda's Role in the Current Drama
34:11 to 36:51
Discussion on Amanda's position in the ongoing drama and the responsibility she carries.
“Like, I think Amanda needs to fully turn on Wes.”
Discussion on 'The Valley' Premiere
42:00 to 43:56
Exploring character dynamics and personal opinions on the cast of 'The Valley'.
“So staying on the Bravo train, I want to quickly touch on the Valley premiere that happened this week.”
The Postpartum Pressure on Kristen
43:56 to 45:51
Debating the pressures faced by postpartum women in reality TV dynamics.
“Like, is that going to make me a fan favorite?”
Taylor Fritz and Morgan Riddle's Relationship Rumors
45:51 to 48:20
Analyzing the breakup rumors between tennis player Taylor Fritz and influencer Morgan Riddle.
“Like, I understand that, like, a guy has needs.”
Haley Beck's Inappropriate Teacher-Student Relationship
48:20 to 51:20
Discussing the allegations against Haley Beck regarding her relationship with a student.
“and cover that on patreon too yeah we talked about this on the patreon yeah but i mean page clearly came out on top, you know?”
Disturbing Details of Grooming Allegations
51:20 to 56:01
Examining shocking details surrounding the grooming allegations against Haley Beck.
“That was that Netflix documentary about the mom who was cyberbullying her unknown number.”
Discussing Disturbing News
56:01 to 56:28
The hosts react to unsettling news and express their feelings.
“Yeah, there hasn't been any charges thus far.”
Missing Childhood Memories
57:42 to 58:29
Hosts share their thoughts on not having childhood home videos.
“Not having home videos of myself as a child.”
The Challenge of Starting a Podcast
58:30 to 1:00:01
Discussion about misconceptions around starting a podcast.
“No, but seriously, do you have home videos of yourself as a child?”
Family Gatherings and Memories
1:00:02 to 1:02:02
Hosts reflect on family gatherings and the importance of connection.
“Okay, so when I was at the pool yesterday, my friend lives in like a really nice, like one of those like high-rise kind of apartments where you can mingle with the other residents.”
Connecting with Distant Family
1:02:03 to 1:05:04
The benefits of staying in touch with family through digital means.
“So we see each other not like that often, but we always get together for Thanksgiving.”
Excitement for Upcoming Live Shows
1:05:05 to 1:08:10
Hosts discuss their upcoming live shows and special guests.
“Wait, you guys, Christy, can you tell them how I was texting you?”
Transcript
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1:11It is an honor to share. No, it's our honor. It is our larger honor. No, really. Stop. You can really feel the respect in this battle. Pick a meal to pick a side. Ba-da-ba-ba-ba. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Snarkbait. I'm Sophie. I'm Christy. How are we doing today on this beautiful Monday morning? If you guys don't know, we've updated our recording schedule, if you're new here. So this is going to get uploaded within 24 hours, baby. Because here at Snarkbait Pod, we listen to your feedback. And we want to make sure that we have as topical of news as ever. Because especially with this West Mandeville thing that's going on.
1:53Like, we need to keep it fresh. Yep. So much. So much is happening. How have you been? How was your weekend? Oh, happy. I know you don't celebrate Easter. Easter. Yeah. Happy Easter. It's also Passover. Okay. It's Passover. Happy Passover. Happy Easter to everyone that celebrates. Yeah. My Easter was fabulous. So on Saturday, we had this big family party and my dad's side is like humongous. Like I posted on my personal personal Instagram, but like we have this family tree that literally is like 11 8 by like standard printer paper, 11 8 by 11 papers wide. Yeah. And like my great grandfather came to Los Angeles as like a Chinese herbal medicine doctor in like 1880 something.
2:41So we have like a lineage and they had he had nine kids and they all had kids. So we always come together and have this like humongous family reunion. and it was just like so fun and it was in Topanga Canyon which I've never been to but it's basically this it's this tiny little city nestled on the hills above Malibu and it's very very like hippy dippy I almost feel like I'm in a mountain town like that's how I guess it is kind of in the mountain yeah but it's not like Tahoe I saw you post this and you said that your family has been in Southern California since like the 1800s, which is so cool.
3:15Yeah. So the house was like super like old. It was built in the 40s and it has like acres of property and they just basically, but then we saw a snake. Did you see that? Oh, you tagged Rob Roush. Of course. And it's not like an estate. It's like a rickety old, like it's not like we're not rich or whatever, But it was like, it was, they bought it in the 40s. So it was like probably a cent. And we saw a snake just like slithering. I've never seen a snake in the wild. Well, no, that's a lie. I've seen one snake before at my grandma's house. Have you ever seen a snake in the wild? I'm trying to think.
3:54I'm sure I have. I like grew up going to camp. So I'm sure I have. But not like a dangerous kind. Like there are like garden snakes and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what this was, but it was really eerie. And then I was talking to my family. It was eerie. It was eerie. eerie. Seeing a snake in nature. Yeah. And then I was talking to my uncle who was there and he's like, they live in like a suburb in LA that's very kind of tucked away. And it's under amongst a lot of nature. And he's like, oh yeah, a snake came into our house one time and I had to grab like tongs. And I was like, come again?
4:24A snake slithered into your home and you had to get tongs to remove it? I would call 911. I wouldn't know what to do, Sophie. Yeah, I would call the police. Yeah, they called the police. But yeah, it was really nice. And then I stopped by the pool all day yesterday. Oh my God, amazing. That sounds so fun. It was very refreshing. How was your weekend? I, as you guys know, I don't celebrate Easter, so it was kind of uneventful. But I actually got reached out to by a baby snark named Simone. Shout out Simone. is a local baby snark and a hairstylist. And, you know, as luck would have it, I actually have been in need of a haircut.
5:07And so she reached out to me a few weeks ago. We found a date that worked finally. And she did my hair yesterday and she did an incredible job. She is so cute, so funny. We had the best time. We gabbed the entire time. And she's just the best. She works at Rosemary and Sage Salon in the East Village. and beautiful. It's apparently new-ish. It used to be in Williamsburg, so this location is new. And it is so gorgeous. Just such a good experience. Simone was incredible. She's actually going to do my hair for our New York Live show. So I just had the best time chatting with her. And what's so funny, and I was telling you this, Christy, is that she doesn't listen to podcasts.
5:52Well, I know what you're laughing at. First of all, I left Christy a voice note afterwards telling her like all of the funny things that we gabbed about. First of all, she doesn't listen to podcasts. And her client was like, oh my God, there's this pop culture podcast that I can't stop listening to. It's called Snarkbait. And something compelled her to turn on Snarkbait one day, even though she like doesn't listen to podcasts. She was like, oh, that sounds interesting. And so it was literally word of mouth, which I thought was so interesting. And then she also says that she'll be like walking down the street in New York sometimes and she'll think to herself, out of my way.
6:22Or is it? Wait, is it? Is it out of the way? Out of the way. Out of the way. Out of the way. Out of the way. If you guys missed that story, it was when we were having, like, technical difficulties one day. And I was on the phone with Christy. And I was just so flustered and so frustrated. Oversimulated to the max. Oversimulated. Henry was trying to help me and I was not having it. He was literally not saying anything. Just, like, trying to fucking, Henry, what are you doing? Disconnecting that. That needs to be connected. Out of the way. And he ended up being right. He ended up being right and fixing it per usual.
6:51But I was like, out of the way. Out of the way. And Christy was on FaceTime. I, like, wasn't saying anything. I was like, oh. Mom and dad are fighting. Yeah, no, literally. And just for the people that dislike my impressions of Sophie, I actually cannot help it. It's like asking me not to breathe. I told Sophie, I'm like, anyone that is close to me is assigned a voice. Okay. So my best friend, she's Chinese American, literally speaks perfect English. I make her sound like, oh, Michelle. Everyone's like, why the fuck do you make her sound like that? She's completely American. And I'm like, I don't, I was like, it's an undertone.
7:23Okay. My other best friend I make her speak really like a high voice. Everyone is assigned a voice. Yeah. And Sophie is no different. You're like a caricature artist. You just exaggerate. You find something to exaggerate. And that's okay. And I actually was talking about this with Simone. I was like, it's so funny how people will say, oh, my God, how is Sophie not like offended by that? I'm like, offended? It's like my favorite thing ever. And Chrissy and I both make fun of each other for different things. Like she makes fun of me for my voice and like things I say. and I make fun of Christy for quirks about her, like her taste in movies.
7:57Right. And it's all in good fun. It's in a loving way. It's in a loving way. We can do it because we have a loving relationship. Right. It's really endearment when you make fun of my taste in movies and I make fun of your many alter egos and voices because they span so many. Yeah. And for everyone who hates it, I genuinely, I apologize. I don't mean to annoy you. I cannot help it. Again, it's like asking me not to breathe. I simply cannot. Simone was like, because we were talking about this, and she was like, there are just so many good movies that Christy hasn't seen. So many hits. But you know what?
8:32The top of my list, okay? Georgia Rule, Country Strong. And if you know, you know. It ends with us. Baby Snarks. It ends with us. You can't forget that. Alpha Dog, Lords of Dogtown. Those are Christy's top five movies. I remember when we talked about Country Strong. I don't know if it was on the Patreon, patreon.com slash snarkbait pod snarkbait pod snarkbait wait patreon.com wait i think it is snarkbait wait yeah it's snarkbait pod sorry yeah um where we do ad free episodes tuesday thursdays and then we do bonus content every wednesdays but everyone on patreon was like justice for country strong though like it literally walked so the remake of a star is born could run i understand a star is born with bradley cooper and lady gaga as a remake but country strong i i swear to you is it covers everything.
9:19Addiction, love, friendship, jealousy, romance, fame, Nashville. Nashville. Everything. It is so good. Blatant Meester, Gwyneth Paltrow, Garrett Hedlund. We actually were trying to... Wait, Garrett Hedlund is in Country Strong and Georgia Rule? Yep. Wow. And Lindsay Lohan's sex list? And the father of Emma Roberts, who I know is very problematic, but it's my friend nonetheless. Emma Roberts' baby daddy. Oh, Emma Roberts, really good deep dive episode. She has like so much lore. I did one on X knows all. Yeah, I actually did one on X knows all years ago. And her family life is really fucked up.
9:56Like her father had insane cocaine addiction. And when he divorced her mom, Julia stood up for her sister-in-law, not even her own brother, because he was so like abusive. All right. We need to dig into that. Yeah. Because I don't know all of her lore, but I know there is a lot of lore. Yeah. Uh, so, oh, also we wanted to watch, so we'll do live watch parties with our business runner tier on Patreon. And we wanted to watch Country Strong. But then it's not on any streaming service. It's only, like, you can only rent it. It's on digital, but you have to pay to watch it, which we don't want to ask people to, like, pay to watch Country Strong.
10:33We don't want to ask people to pay for a movie that has, like, a 21 % on Rotten Tomatoes. And that's a shame, because I'm telling you, Rotten Tomatoes, like, they did that. I think it's a mistake. I genuinely think it's a mistake. She was like, wait, when I was like Country Strike, actually, when we were talking about it, I was like, it has a 21 % of Rotten Tomatoes. She goes, that can't be right. That can't be right. It can't be right. Like, that is at least an 80%. Baby Snarks stand up for me, for those that have seen it. I know. I do want to watch it, but I'm like, I'm not going to pay to watch it.
11:02Shall we dive in to, we have some West Mandeville updates since we spoke last week. We did an emergency episode after they dropped their statement. and I said this on Instagram, one day we will move on from this, but not yet. Today is not that day. It's too much to consume and there's too much that keeps bubbling up. We cannot help but cover it. I'm sorry if you're sick of hearing it. We are as well. But here at Snarky Paul, we got to cover it because this is like so, it's so topical right now. We can't stop watching. It's like a train wreck. And it's also hard to think about anything else. Like The Valley premiered this week and I was physically present watching The Valley, but mentally I was elsewhere.
11:39mentally i was thinking about west mandeval like it is taking over my life unfortunately it's like someone did a tiktok of katie heron being like uh i spent all my time thinking about west mandeval and then waiting for someone to bring it up you know when she's like doing her lip gloss in the mirror and i was like that's really me uh so fuck the valley by the way we'll get to it but fuck the valley it's so bad right now we will get to the valley but yeah in terms of west mandeval which by the way, I said this on Instagram, it's not Scamanda. I cannot get on board with Scamanda because I listed that podcast called Scamanda about a woman named Amanda who faked having cancer.
12:15So that's just, we can't. And it also implies that Wes isn't involved. It's just Amanda's name. Like we need Wes in there. So Wes, man of all it is. What has come out is that he allegedly had a secret girlfriend named Miha who has been posting on TikTok. She seems actually so cool and so funny. Yes. So pretty. Pretty. She's like cool without even trying. You know, one of those girls. She's like artsy. She's the one that made his horse hair, silver horse hair tie that he wore on Watch What Happens Live. And he called her out on Watch What Happens Live but said, my friend, Miha. So, apparently, they were secretly, so reason, they were secretly dating, allegedly.
12:54And apparently, like, that's, she lives in Chicago, I think, and he was always, that's why he's, like, always in Chicago. and she's the Chicago girl. Yes. And she had like been like on trips with the boys and she was like his girlfriend and he apparently told her, you know, I will do things for the show, but it's just for the show, et cetera, et cetera. So apparently that was happening behind the scenes, long-term relationship. And then the other thing that has come out is that allegedly he was hooking up with Sierra from Labor Day to the Super Bowl, aka September to February. Meanwhile, was also clearly courting slash talking to Amanda.
13:36So, first of all, where does one find the time? Where does one find the time? Agreed. And another thing to that is I believe that Sierra and Wes were hooking up because remember those really cutesy photos they took at the Super Bowl? And there were rumors that they were hooking up literally up until the Super Bowl, which would explain those cozy looking photos. But my question is, he knows that Sierra and Amanda are close. He knows they are talking so in my mind sierra is divulging to all of her girlfriends oh yeah me and west hooked up we went out last night we ended up hooking up he stayed the night or whatever like that's what confuses me is in amanda's head if she were still hooking up with west she's hearing from her best friend who was west's girl to begin with oh yeah me and west like hooked up last night he knows that but he's still going off and doing that like he is so brazen he's saying miha's name on watch what happens lies referring to her as her friend shouting out her company where she sells lying Lying about Amanda.
14:25Right. Lying about Amanda and then hooking up with Cedar. Like the many, the web that this man has woven and he does not give a fuck. It's so concerning. That's the thing. It's like if you are a fuckboy and you are, I don't know, like as transparent as the typical fuckboy is. Like I am not looking for anything. I am a fuckboy. You know, like some guys really are just out and about about the fact that they are, you know, not looking for anything serious. The fact that Wes was lying to all three of these women, it seems like. And that is not to excuse Amanda's part in this. Because I think the fact that Amanda and Sierra were friends, he knew that.
15:04But he also knew that Amanda wanted to keep this a secret also. They were both lying to Sierra, clearly, openly. And they were in on it together. So it's not to excuse Amanda. But I think that Wes is extremely manipulative. And it goes beyond just being a regular fuckboy. Like, I actually am scared of him. I think he's terrifying. I think he's maybe a sociopath, maybe a narcissist. I think he has narcissistic tendencies for sure. And just a terrifying person. And now when you watch, I actually went back and started watching season 10 again so I could like catch Easter eggs. Right. Yeah, right, right, right.
15:39A lot of people are doing that, by the way, and they're finding a lot of nuggets. Yes. And every confessional, and this is why, not to brag about how I always clocked West, but like every confessional of his, he's putting on an act he's so scary he's like oh i'm just a silly boy oopsie like that he's literally playing a character oh and i and i think with sociopaths or narcissists they typically are incredibly charming that's how they lure women or friends in and i think that's wes that's his best thing about him it's like he's not the most conventionally attractive man he is conventionally attractive but he's not like theo james level of attraction he's attractive enough where people think, oh, I look at this man and he's not going to cheat on me.
16:21He's a regular, regular kind of guy from the Midwest. He's not going to fuck around with me. But in fact, it's like he's the most dangerous because he is so unassuming and so charming. Yeah, exactly. Everyone, every girl, I feel like, has that one ugly guy that you're like, he's ugly. He'll never break my heart that ended up like destroying you. I have one. We all have one. So I feel like that is why, like you said, he is so dangerous. He's so charming. He's not the hottest guy that, you know, is in the room usually. Yeah. When you're in a room of the Summer House cast, the probability of you being the hottest one in the room is very slim because everyone on that cast is so goddamn attractive.
16:53Yes. But with Wes, I think he just reminds me of someone that I went to college with that I would have been friends with. And I think that's where my projection was for him this entire time. He does remind me of like a California guy. Yeah. He's just like a guy that you just know from like social circles. And he just seems harmless. But I think that's why he is so harmful because he plays it off like he is so harmless and that he's such a safe space and he's asking KJ, hey, do you like it when people check in on you? Hey, like, I'm so anxiety ridden and I'm just, you know, I didn't know what to do.
17:22I was new to fame and I talked to New York Times and I didn't know. Did I not say that that was performative when he was checking in on KJ? I was like performative. Like, I could just tell he is so inauthentic. And the fact that those episodes were airing where Sierra was talking about, you know, I was embarrassed and there's such a contraption when it comes to racial dynamics and the way that Bravo fans will, you know, be horrible to me because I got fucked over by a white guy. And, you know, and then Wes turns around and goes, well, you know, fans were calling me racist. So he made it about himself, first of all.
17:56And that I also clocked. I was like, he just turned around and made it about himself when Sierra was talking about racism. So that and the fact that he was hooking up with Amanda while that episode was airing. Oh, my. Is so dark. Disgusting. And again, this is not excusing Amanda. Amanda was also hooking up with Wes while that was airing. I just think that he is so incredibly manipulative. I would be shocked if Amanda knew the extent of how many other women there were. I think she found out alongside the rest of the world. And the thing with Adam Glynn, that TMZ guy who stopped Kyle, where the Carl's a mess thing went, you know, crazy and viral.
18:34Kyle continued to harp on the fact that Wes was seeing so many other women. It seemed to me that Kyle and Amanda are still very much talking and engaging with one another, like constantly, because Kyle's very concerned about her, reasonably and understandably so. But I think Kyle kept pressing on the fact that Wes, like Amanda, was truly just one of the many women. How many other women are just too fearful to come out? I bet you there's at least one or two more. I bet you. Oh, at least. Absolutely. And yeah, I feel like Amanda, that's such a good point that you bring up how Kyle was like, Wes is a manipulative guy.
19:06He was, you know, talking to all of these women. He was, you know, being a fuckboy, whatever he said exactly. And he's right. I feel like Amanda was probably learning about this as the rest of the world was just to compound how, you know, embarrassing the situation is. There are also rumors circulating that Amanda may or may not have hooked up with Ben, the new cast member in Italy. I don't know, like, how much I believe this. I don't know. Like, there was Andrea Denver's manager or something said this. And then Amanda's best friend, whose wedding it was, was like, no, that never happened. But also, that's Amanda's best friend, so maybe she's trying to protect Amanda.
19:46But I don't know. There's really no evidence of this. And then another thing that people are circulating is the fact that Amanda was like flirting with Craig while he was dating Paige, which was why Paige stopped fucking with Amanda even before the West stuff happened. Yes. I, if you guys have seen that clip circulating on Bravo, which if you're as online as Sophie and I are, you guys have seen this. But I think it was a scene where Danielle and Sierra were fighting and Sierra threw the wine at Danielle's head. and Amanda and Craig under the table, you could see Craig's arm is reaching towards Amanda.
20:21And a fan actually DMed Amanda about this when it was airing and was like, hey, did I see this right? Why are you and Craig seemingly holding hands under the table? And Amanda said, listen, it was a very tense and awkward situation and we were just squeezing each other's hands because we were both so uncomfortable. And I was thinking about this and I think I texted our group chat. I was like, in no world, if you were on the other side of the table and Henry and I were sitting next to one another, would I ever think to grab his hand and squeeze it? That is so unbelievably inappropriate. So I thought that was really weird.
20:50And then there was another video that surfaced where Amanda kissed Craig on the cheek and they posted it to like Snapchat or Instagram or something and people called that out as well. But I wouldn't be surprised if I don't think they hooked up for sure. But Amanda may have crossed a boundary that Paige was not comfortable with. with. Yeah. I think that Amanda is deeply insecure and is validated by male attention. I think that is what, you know, I've gathered a little bit. But again, I don't know if these rumors are for sure true. Like the Ben stuff, I don't know if I fully believe. The other thing, though, is that Kyle mentioned that Adam Glynn man on the street interview that there is something about the timeline of when they were separated that I think they plan on clearing up.
21:36So people are speculating, were they actually separated going into last summer at the summer house? I have seen that rumor as well. So I don't know because in the Man on the Street interview, Kyle said, this whole rumor has made me rethink the entire summer. So that comment makes me think that Kyle and Amanda were in fact together. Otherwise, why would he have said that? Right, right. I think that's a really good point. I think if anything, they may have broken up, separated earlier in the fall because they didn't announce until January. I think they were definitely physically separated, living separately well before January.
22:13Because that's how all Hollywood things happen. Whenever you hear about a divorce, chances are that happened eight weeks ago, like two months prior. So, yeah, the Paige and Amanda thing, I've always said I never thought Paige and Amanda were very close. I always found them to be more co-workers. I always found that Amanda found Paige to be a better, a good friend. But Paige never thought that about Amanda. And there was no reason for my opinion about that. It was just pure speculation. But I do think that Paige and Hannah, they're like sisters, legit. They're business partners. They're best friends.
22:43They're like sisters. I feel like her being Paige being so tied to Hannah and everything that she does also precluded her from being as close to Amanda, keeping her at a distance. distance. Yeah, she clearly chose Hannah because Hannah and Amanda obviously fell out years ago. I thought it was really funny, though, how I don't know if you saw this, how Hannah on Giggly Squad where they talked about it and they, you know, said we are 100 percent Team Sierra. We're behind her. She's our real friend in real life. And I think it was like perfect. They don't have to, disparage Amanda. They said what they need to say.
23:22They didn't try to make a whole segment out of it. They were just like, yeah, we are. People were begging them to speak up. And they were like, yeah, we're obviously Team Sierra. Hannah goes, and sorry, gigglers. I know we have some gigglers that are baby snark. I want us to learn from this situation. When you feel wronged by someone or things didn't go well, do not try to get revenge. Do not try to hurt them. Do not think about them in negative ways. Literally say thank you and focus on yourself. Remove yourself from the situation and their stuff is going to be handled. Leave that to God or whatever you believe in.
23:49Keep yourself at peace. I try to stay out of drama. Occasionally it finds us. And that is Hannah. Like, let's not rewrite history. OK, Hannah was also horrible to Amanda. It wasn't just a one time horrible, horrible to a lot of people in that house. Like, let's not rewrite history. I hate how people are like justice for Hannah. And I know I'm biased because I hate Hannah Berner and think she is an unfunny hack. But let's not rewrite history here, you guys. Hannah was awful. Awful. They were both in, they clearly both felt slighted by each other, but we watched Hannah be horrible to Amanda. So let's not rewrite history.
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24:26Yeah, I did see that. Hannah feels vindicated, but it's like, we all saw season five, girl. Oh my God. Like, shut up, Hannah. I'm sorry. Don't bring up my dad. What? Never talk about my dad again. Yeah, yeah. That was so funny. The other thing that happened this weekend was obviously the Carl's a mess meme that I'm obsessed with. I ordered the Loverboy merch. I'm so excited. I got a crew neck and a t-shirt. It will not ship until later this month. So hopefully the joke is still funny then. But I'm so happy on them. Happy for Loverboy for capitalizing this to the max, by the way. Kyle knows that this is his one opportunity for the next few weeks to milk everything Loverboy related because people are wanting to support.
25:10And you know what? I love that in an entrepreneurial, like that entrepreneurial spirit. Get your bag, King. Get your bag, Kyle. Yeah. And Carl and Lindsay reunited for an Uber Eats commercial where Carl is crying and he goes, oh, my God. And then Lindsay hands him a tissue and she goes, is this soft enough for you? Tighter. Squeeze me harder. Soft. So love that. I hope that, you know, everyone has talked to Sierra and gotten Sierra's permission before profiting off of this. I would assume they have. Sierra's probably so into this. She's like, I want you guys to make as much money as possible because at the end of the day, the only people that are not winning in this are Amanda and Wes.
25:54You know, like I want the rest of the cast to thrive. Mainly Sierra, but like, you know. Yeah, no, totally. And what do you think this means for not only the future of Summer House, but the future of In the City, this spinoff? Yeah, I've been, I think that Bravo is scrambling right now because they have an entire season of In the City canned, ready, I'm sure edited and ready to go. It's supposed to air the same day. Right after Summer House. Yeah, right after Summer House premiere or season ends. At this point, no one is going to be interested in whatever the fuck is going on because we know it's so put on and fake, knowing what we know now.
26:26So I'm very curious what they're doing. And thank you to one of my very, very best friends, Emily, who is the one who introduced me to you. She sent me something on Twitter, and it's a picture of Kyle and Carl. Kyle posted it. It was like a repost with him and Jen Jang at Che Margot. And I went to Instagram, and this is Jen's bio. It says, Jen, not Jen, NBCUniversal, head of unscripted comms, talent at Bravo TV at Peacock. Emily was like, people are flagging on Twitter that they think Carl and Kyle are talking to Jen, head of unscripted at NBCUniversal, about the future of Summer House and In the City.
27:00Because what are they to do? And I feel like at this point, there are lawyers involved. Everyone is like heads down, pencils down. We need to talk about what this means for the future of Summer House and In the City because they have like ad revenue tied to this. Like at the end of the day, this is a moneymaker. and this whole West Mandeville is completely blowing the lid off of this thing. They are going to make no money off of In the City or not nearly as much as what they forecasted because of what happened. Wait, I... Sorry. Oh, no, go ahead. Go ahead. I was going to say, I disagree. I think that the people saying that they are not going to watch In the City now because it's irrelevant, yes, they will.
27:33I think that they are going to re-edit a lot of it. I think they are going to... Ryan Bailey, trigger warning, Ryan Bailey heard they were picking up cameras for In the City, not Summer House. to cover the fallout of Wes Vandeval. So I think this is going to be, obviously like with Scandaball, like ratings were higher than ever for Vanderpump Rules, but it was a bubble that eventually burst because the cast could not agree to film together anymore. And I think with this, I think if they play their cards right, they could have more viewers than ever. I predict that, I don't know, there could be a world where Ciara walks away altogether.
28:11other. What I would think would be my in my perfect world, Sierra would be the center of Summer House. Kyle and Amanda have moved on to in the city. West is gone from our lives. He's fired from everything. And I'm not one to say, oh, my God, fire the problematic cheaters. I just think there isn't going to be a fit for him. Like he's not he's not friends with anyone anymore. He ruined his friendship. That and we know everything about him now is so disingenuous. It's no longer reality TV. And if he remains on the show, it's, like, produced by Wes Wilson. Everything that he does is so hyper-produced and so hyper-cognizant of what the audience will think.
28:47It's not reality TV. Like, we know this. We know as much now, like, in hindsight. So it's not going to be fun watching him. Totally. Also, the ratings for last week's Summer House were obviously season high. Or maybe series high. Not sure. But extremely high from the scandal. So I think that they need to keep riding this wave. Absolutely. Obviously, lots of viewers are going to tune in. Lots of people are starting Summer House, just like with Vanderpump Rules when Scandaball happened. People were like, I want to get in on the drama, like what's happening, what's going on, and starting Summer House from the beginning.
29:18So I think that the shows will be just fine, if not better. They just need to, you know, play it right. so god i was actually gonna ask what does this mean for the future of summerhouse if west i mean excuse me sierra refuses to film with west and amanda and to your point west and amanda are cut kyle is cut and they just send her the show around her and her friends like mia kj dara bailey i think bailey levi like jesse solomon by the way can i also say that how pure does jesse solomon seem compared to west now guess i'll start yes okay i hate that that song is falling in love it's so Solomon, if you're listening, I was looking at your tour schedule.
30:00Your LA stop in WeHo, I believe, is just four days before Snarkbait's live show in Los Angeles. Yeah. We are performing on May 15th. So if you're interested, we will pay you to come on and sing for the crowd. We're being so for real. That would be so much fun. That would be so fun to have Jesse Solomon. But like, I also don't believe. So Jesse Solomon said that he didn't know anything. He replied to some comments being like, yeah, he was like, I didn't know anything. I have the receipts. What? Show us. Show us the receipts. Oh, I thought that meant him knowing that he had receipts of Weston Amanda.
30:32No, he said, I have the receipts. I can prove that I did not know anything, which is such bullshit because as you guys know, beginning of March, I had a source that was talking to Jesse Solomon in Cabo and he was confirming that Weston Amanda were hooking up. And multiple other people heard this around the same time from Jesse Solomon. He obviously knew. Like, shut up, Jesse. No, he can't keep track of what he was talking about. what he's told people because i think when he's out with fans he's like yeah i knew for sure yeah
31:04yeah um also another blind item that we received from a baby snark and obviously take this with a grain of salt but she and i have dm'd in the past like i know she's a real person she sent me a couple of screenshots of between her and her friend like via i message and her friend claimed to have been seated right by west in arizona at the pool remember that dumois blind that just surface like this weekend of yeah chilling relaxing like no issues laying out relaxing not a care in the world he's apparently in arizona for his podcast because they like interview they do like sports stuff like i don't fucking know but like why he's like out and about and amanda is in hiding right right he's always like that right there's his podcast so he's been silent on social media his podcast posted a photo of him and his co-host sophie cunningham with one of their podcast guests and he's like smiling.
31:54Not a care in the world. Yeah, no. And it's it's it's sick to see really. But this baby Snarks friend was seated right by him at said pool. And she wrote to me, Wes, according to her friend, Wes said that he had a list of all the times Sierra tried to flirt with him and he rejected it. And he's going to bring all those receipts to the reunion. He said that him and Amanda started flirting over the summer of the season and that that is currently airing. Also, he said Amanda is the one. I have so many questions. First of all, What does he mean? He had a list of all the times Sierra tried to flirt with him and he rejected it that he's going to bring to the reunion.
32:27Like, what does that mean? To me, he's going to, I think he's so, and I put this in quotes, traumatized by the fact that he, what's the, what's the, rejected Sierra. And because he like let her on and he wants to show the audience, no, no, no, no, but let me show you. There are receipts that I did in fact reject her. Like, stop calling me a fuckboy. I was so straight up with her. That's what I was going to say. He resents Sierra so much for the fact that the audience turned on him because she was clearly hurt by what happened after his first season. There was a group interview when they were promoting Summer House when the season started airing.
33:03Did you see this clip? It's like all of the cast. I think all of them. I'm trying to think if there's anyone missing. It was like doing virtual reality or like one of those like podcasts or Sirius Radio, whatever the fuck it was. and Sierra is talking and you could see Wes disassociating in the background whenever she talks. He like hated Sierra. I think resenting is such a good word for his feelings towards her. I don't even think he's fully aware of the fact that he resents her because he's so not introspective it seems like. I don't think he seems very, he doesn't process what he's going through.
33:36He just moves on to the next. That's why he plays so many women. Resents her, but also was potentially hooking up with her all fall. Again, I really hope that they come to the reunion ready to actually tell about the timeline. I'm going to need like a PowerPoint. I'm not trying to be funny or sarcastic when I say that. I need like a full visual and them to just cop to it. Because at this point, whatever you're going to like say is incorrect, people on the Bravo sphere will come out with receipts. So just come clean now so you can stop the mess. I also think Amanda needs to, it's like kind of when two people are arrested for a crime and one of them turns on the other to get a lighter sentence.
34:17They get granted immunity. Yes. Like, I think Amanda needs to fully turn on Wes. And I think that there is a world where the audience, as long as she takes full accountability, obviously, but the audience could have sympathy for the fact that she just got out of a 10-year kind of toxic relationship, potentially emotionally, actually definitely emotionally abusive relationship. 100 % emotionally abusive. And she was in a vulnerable place, as anyone would be after a divorce, and was probably manipulated by this, like, fucking, what's his name? Mr. Ripley. I don't know. Like, just a grade A manipulator.
34:58And again, that's not to excuse Amanda, because Amanda, there are how many millions of guys in New York City? But I think there is a world where people would understand that she was in a vulnerable place. She just needs to also take accountability. And I hope she isn't swayed by the fact, like, I want to circle back to Wes saying Amanda's the one. Yeah, that's crazy. Because it's like, if she's really the one, Wes, why are you anywhere but by her side during this tornado of a PR storm, of ruining people's lives? Like, literally, Sierra's life will forever be altered by what you guys did to her, by the ultimate betrayal of one of her closest friends and the guy that she, we've said on this podcast before, that she loved.
35:37And you guys, like, you guys need to come together and come up with a decision about how you make it right with Amanda, but you were anywhere but by her side. Like, that's what I was like, wait, he's saying she's the one amongst his, like, sea of women that he's apparently with, too? Like, that was really shocking to me. Yeah, like, I am very surprised by that. I would have assumed that he's already ghosted her. Same. That's what I assumed. I genuinely assumed that because I was like, she clearly is going through it. the only person that is really by her side that we can see is Kyle, at least publicly.
36:05So, yeah, I think it's very shocking. I also think that people that are, and again, this is not to make Amanda the victim here, because Sierra is the ultimate victim, obviously. But the fact that Bravo fans can be so parasocial that they send death threats to someone, like, if you're doing that, I just, I have no worth, and I think I said this last week when we recorded, It's just it takes the focus off of Sierra when you do that. I think the best way you can support our girl is just to hit her a follow and comment on her stuff so her engagement rate goes high and she can earn as much money as possible and capitalize off of this right now.
36:40So she'll have a broken heart, but she'll get her bag. Like that's the one way you can help her. It's not to go and cyber bully Amanda. It's to go and just support Sierra. Like follow, comment, increase her engagement. Absolutely. And she was seen out and about. That's another update. DeMoi posted her and a friend out walking in New York. and she definitely looked really sad. She looks amazing, but sad. She always looks amazing. Also, people that go in and send death threats really just go into anyone's DMs in general. Are you okay? I would be so embarrassed if people in my life caught me commenting scary things on a celebrity's Instagram page.
37:15Right. Even, sometimes even when I'll be like scrolling on the Shannon and Lame's Reddit and like I hate Lame's as much as the next person, right? His weird hacky business where it makes six figures a month. And now I'm sounding like the Australian from VH1's fabulous life. Yeah. But even when people like comment to him like something really mean, I'm like, take it. Like, you don't need to tell him directly. You know what I mean? Like, trust me, I hate lames, but I'm not going in and commenting and DMing him. You know what I mean? So bizarre. Such strange behavior. Right. I've been shopping on Poshmark for years.
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42:35They were both supposed to be cast. And I think Sheena's memoir, they let her go because of that. Yeah. But Sheena, I would have enjoyed. Yeah. Oh, 100%. I would have much rather had Sheena on our screens than Lala. I don't ever care about seeing Lala on our screen. I find her to be so disingenuous. And quite honestly, after watching Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, who she is makes so much more sense to me. Oh, being from Utah? Yeah. She just seems so, I don't know. I just don't. And Baby Snarks that are from Utah, I don't want you to catch Trace. Love you guys. It's like just that kind of girl.
43:06She's just so, I just don't like her. Second, Janet, she's as if it's even more, and as if it is even possible for her to be more miserable than she was the last couple of seasons. I hate her and her husband. Okay. Is that his name, Jason? Yeah, Jason. Remember the finale of last season when he goes, Zach, you want to say it to my face? And I was like, Jason, you're not going to do anything. I know. And it sucks because like he's so, I feel like he's the most attractive man on the show, but he ruins it with his horrible personality. Horrible. And like, it's like if he's married to Janet, that does not say good things about him.
43:40Fan it. And yeah, I think that Janet like was like last season, her thing was like, I like Dave and Buster's and I'm quirky. And the audience is going to love how quirky I am. And then that didn't happen. And now she's like, what if I just overshare disgusting things like having a skin tag on my gooch? Like, is that going to make me a fan favorite? I don't know, but it's worth a shot. That is like my, I'm not saying she's lying about having a skin tag because why would she lie about that? I think that she is bringing it up on camera for a reason. Like she thinks this makes her quirky and funny to the audience, but no one likes her.
44:14And you know what always confuses me is off camera, I believe Ariana is close with her. Like it seems like a lot of people that we like in the Braavosphere are friends with her. And I can't imagine why. I don't get that. I don't get it either. She seems miserable. Miserable. Her and her husband are miserable. And I love how, what is it, Coyote Canyon or whatever, that Mexican restaurant they always go to? The Hills. Wait, can we? Are you going to say it's on The Hills? No, it wasn't on The Hills? Yes, Heidi and Spencer, that was their place. Wait, what's it called again? El Coyote. El Coyote. Can we go there?
44:44Can we go there in LA? 100%. And you know what's really eerie actually about that restaurant? What? Apparently, Sharon Tate, before she was murdered by the Manson family, ate at El Coyote. So that was like her last meal. Oh my God, I had no idea. I don't want to be spreading misinformation. Hold on. Let me make sure. Oh, my God. I had no idea. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. So it's been around for that long. On a hot August night in 1969, actress Sharon Tate and her friends Jay Sebring, Wojtek, Fryowski, and Abigail Folger sat down for a meal at El Coyote. Oh, my God. Well, we should go when we're in L.A. for sure.
45:17Yeah. It's like an iconic place. Yeah. Clearly. And can I also just really click on Luke? Yeah. Wait. I saw this. I like Luke, I think. I think it's just because he reminds me of one of my friend's significant others. And I think that's why I just project like what I think about him onto Luke, which is not fair to Luke. I completely understand. But I just don't really care about that storyline. It's like, dude, Kristen had a baby like two days ago. Yeah. She's trying to jump her bones. Like she's trying to get used to her new normal. She's breastfeeding. She's not feeling comfortable in her body.
45:48Her body was just wrecked by childbirth. Give it a rest. Yeah. I don't like that. I don't like how he's like. Like, I understand that, like, a guy has needs. But, like, she is freshly postpartum. It is completely understandable that she would not be in the— And also normal. Like, all my girlfriends that have given birth, like, the last thing they want to do was jump on dick. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Sorry. Jump on dick. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. That was really crass and gross. I apologize. But it just— Jump on dick. Let Kristen heal physically and mentally before you pressure her to have sex and be intimate.
46:23I don't like that. Absolutely. Should we quickly touch on the fact that apparently Taylor Fritz, the tennis player, and his girlfriend, influencer Morgan Riddle, may or may not have broken up. There have been rumors for like a few months now. We did a Patreon episode on Morgan Riddle, did a whole deep dive on her. um she is like an it girl tennis wag who has made a following on being taylor fritz's girlfriend and this is from the craig shapiro tennis podcast reliable sources telling me fritz and morgues are no masks but yeah rumors have been going around for a while now and the rumors about him just being not faithful to her have always been circulating for months or that's what i learned when we did research for the podcast episode on patreon but she seems like a genuinely cool girl And I like that she kind of paved the way of like documenting all of her wagness, being a tennis wag on YouTube.
47:12And people often think of Paige Lorenz when they think about tennis wag, which Paige Lorenz is great as well. But Morgan Riddle kind of created that blueprint of what it means to like document your life as a wag at the tennis court, like getting ready for games. Like she kind of created it. And based on my research on the episode, it seems as if Taylor Fritz was not, he kind of like doesn't talk about his, I think he didn't know. I think he had his kid at 19 at a very young age. His tennis career was just getting started. But the whole controversy about the kid is that Morgan, I think, never addressed the kid's presence at all because it belonged to a new woman.
47:46So that was kind of like why people got icked out by Morgan because they're like, your significant other, your partner has a son. He's growing older and you don't acknowledge him. Like, that's weird. And I think she even went so far as to, if I recall correctly, like using his room as like a closet or something. like just kind of pushing the kid to the side which people didn't love but if this is true they'll both be fine they're still young yeah morgan is taylor fritz is like 28 he'll be fine yeah it's uh it's kind of funny because morgan riddle and page lorenz used to have like or they probably still do like the tennis wag beef they're apparently like nemeses nemesises nemeses and cover that on patreon too yeah we talked about this on the patreon yeah but i mean page clearly came out on top, you know?
48:31She 100 % did. She is the more, I would say, objectively successful of the two and has way more. And we're blocked by Paige Lorenz, so this is not me glazing Paige Lorenz. She just has more success, more followers, more name recognition, and also got the ring from Tommy Paul. So yeah, Paige won that battle, I would say. But Morgan Riddle will be just fine. Yeah. Did you see that Paige Lorenz is selling her Connecticut home? Ooh, I did not see that. I feel like she just moved in. She did. It's like, I think it's being listed for like 2.6 or high twos. Yeah. Good for her. It's a beautiful property.
49:08But I'd imagine she's selling it. She did. She's selling it, I think, because her and Tommy are going to live together. So there's no real need for it. Where is he based? I think Florida. Oh, okay. That makes sense. But I'm not sure. Okay. Also, before we get into dark energy objects, can we talk about Haley Beck, Noah Beck's sister, who was fired after having an inappropriate relationship with her high school student. Are you following this story? And trigger warning, you guys, like this is about grooving. No, I saw like a headline about this, but I didn't dig into it any further. This has been on my FYP ever since I just started watching a couple videos.
49:45And yeah, heavy trigger warning. Haley, if you guys are unfamiliar, she is Noah Beck, who's a huge sensation on TikTok. He was like one of the original, I don't know if it was Hype House, but he was huge in like 2020 and he's really getting it for himself. He used to date. Didn't he date Addison Rae? Or was it? D 'Amelio's or something. The TikTok world is a huge question mark for me, guys. I don't really know too much about that. Oh, Dixie D 'Amelio. That's who I'm sorry. Yeah. So he's a huge star on his own. He has two sisters, Tate and Haley. Haley is 27 years old. She's a teacher. I think a sociology or psychology.
50:17I don't know. Some kind of teacher at Centennial High School in Arizona. And this poor victim, this student, He was a minor when Haley met him. He was only a sophomore, making him between the ages of 15 and 16, where she was only 25, when she met him and started to groom him when he was a sophomore. Scarily enough, this same victim slash student was also groomed by another teacher at that same school, 47 years old, named Angela Bricala, I believe her name is. Both teachers were placed on leave just last summer. Angela resigned and surrendered her Arizona teaching credentials. but Haley, you know, his sister was fired but not until last week despite these allegations being brought up perpetually by other students.
50:56Like she would be in the classroom with this victim and you guys can like, I ended up finding his information. He's not a minor anymore. I think he's 18 or 19 years old now but in any case, she would be grooming him in the classroom and students would get so uncomfortable but like you're all so young and you're like, am I making this too big of a deal? Do I report this to my family or to the principal? Like a lot of students just notice it but were too scared to say anything. Oh my God. Haley, again, she started grooming him when she was 25. He was only 15 or 16 years old. So a district investigation into Haley alleged that she offered oral sex to this student, offered to buy him tequila, added him on Snapchat, gave him better grades, lended him her car, went so far as to travel to his away games.
51:38It reminds me of Kendra Licari. Oh, my God. Remember when she traveled? Yes. Yes. Oh, my God. That was that Netflix documentary about the mom who was cyberbullying her unknown number. It was the mom who was cyberbullying her own daughter because she was in love with her boyfriend. Right. She would also pay the student. She paid the student up to$630 via Apple Pay across years. I read some text messages. She would say, hey, I'm going to send you a photo of my outfit that I'm going to be wearing to post Malone. If you give me a compliment, I'll give you$5 for every compliment. So she would be like, oh, the boots look good on you.
52:13I like your hair straight. So he would give her five compliments and he's like, cough up the money. Ew. Oh my God, that's so disturbing. She called herself a sugar mama, self-proclaimed sugar mama. Ew. To this student. What a fucking freak. No, genuinely freak. So the investigation cited over 4 ,000 text messages between Haley and the student between June 21st and August 2nd, 2025. So just in like two months, they exchanged over 4 ,000 text messages and also physical notes that she would write to the student. Okay. Some of these text messages discuss meeting up to have sex, drinking, smoking weed.
52:45and I need to read you some excerpts from Haley Beck's love letter to this victim. She's so creepy and weird and a predator. She said, quote, Your prob's gonna think that this is cheesy as hell, but you know I'm a words girly. I know, I know. You aren't dying and you're literally just, this is by the way, her writing him a letter because he's graduating and going off to college. I know, I know. You aren't dying and you're literally just a text away, but I had little notes from people when I was away at study abroad and I would just read them whenever I was feeling a little lonely. I genuinely feel like you're a brother.
53:13Weird. Maybe a cousin or a stepbrother. And I truly never thought I would be in this situation with you. But I'm glad to have you as someone who I think will be in my life for a while. Even if we don't talk all the time or even at all when you're in college, I feel like our little bond will always be there. So just hit me when you want to go get wasted at a bar together. And I'll send you my wedding invite one day. All of our car hangouts were so fun, too. For eating and other stuff, lol. Or our night adventure in Cali. Like, there is truly no other student I know so wrong that I would want to do all this with.
53:43What was their night adventure? Is she saying they had like a sleepover? Yes. Oh, there was a text message exchange between him and her where she was begging him to see her. So embarrassing, Sophie. Even if this were an adult man, okay? So fucking embarrassing. She's like, I want to see you. I can drive over to your grandpa's house. What are we going to do at your grandpa's house? Because he was like spending the night at his grandpa's house that night. Oh my God, I'm sick to my stomach. He wanted to sneak into his grandpa's house and like have sex with him. She's like - Oh my God, lock her up.
54:09Lock her up now. They kept referring to their sexual engagements as eating. She's like, I want to eat, lol, like winky face. Oh my god, I'm going to throw up. And don't let this all get to your head, but I'm glad you're in my life. Okay, ew, WTF. I mean, you've been to my parents' house in their closet. Insane. She was probably hiding him in her parents' house in the closet. And lastly, it kind of hit me that it'll be weird not seeing you during Storm the Halls. And even weirder not seeing you on the field. I'm sure you knew this, but you're the reason I went to all the games I could. Before I knew you well, I'd go to a few games a season.
54:40But last season, I wanted to go to as many as I could. And I'm glad because those are the ones I'd be at for you. That is so fucking disturbing and fucked up. And just so we're clear, this is the most tame letter. I'm like not including the text messages exchanged between them because they were so NSFW and so disgusting and predatorial. She's a groomer. She's a sexual harasser. She's horrifying. A pedo. She's a pedophile. Yeah, and it's even more disturbing that this same victim had relations with another teacher who was 47 years old. That is fucked up. Fast forward if you guys don't want to hear this because this actually is very disturbing.
55:12Like at least one minute ahead. This other teacher, 47 years old, sent him a nudie video of her like screaming his name and texted that video to him. Oh my God. And you know what's even more disturbing? The child's mother knew about this. And I think apparently I think he kind of comes from like a not so stable home. So I guess the mother knew about this for a while, but it was actually the grandmother that blew the whistle and reported it to authorities. Oh, my God. That's so fucking sad. I mean, I'm wishing the victim peace and healing. What a horrible story. And he's going to grow up just— No, I know.
55:49He's going to be forever altered. I feel so badly. He's a child. 16 years old and all of this. That is so fucking disgusting. Lock them up. So they're being charged, right? So no charges have come up. She was just fired. What? Yeah, there hasn't been any charges thus far. Oh my God, that's sickening. Yes, that's what I've read. Like there hasn't actually been charges pressed on them yet. But this is all coming to a head and I have no doubt that they will see their time in court for sure. There's too much evidence at this point. Oh my God, that's sickening. I literally feel sick to my stomach. Oh my God.
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57:47My family was not, like, even to this day, my parents, like, don't, like, no one, like, documents anything. Like, I do not have one of the moms that's like, smile, let's take a family pic. Like, no one cares. I do not come from, like, a content-creating family, unfortunately. No home videos of myself. I think that's so crazy. Like, it was in the 90s. There were people that grew up in, like, the 60s and the 70s that have home videos of them as children. My parents were not interested. Apparently, my mom says that they did have some and then they lost them somewhere. And that bothers me. Like, what if there is, like, I was watching a documentary the other day.
58:23What if there is a documentary about me one day? They will have no B-roll of me as a child. I guess with AI, they'll probably like... It's so funny. There was no B-roll for me as a child. No, but seriously, do you have home videos of yourself as a child? My dad was really good about it. Oh my God, I'm so jealous. If you have home videos of yourself as a child, please know that you are one of the luckiest people on earth. My dad was so vain. He would put the camera up and then he would just get in the frame and just like... Oh my God, that's so cute. Oh, man, I love all the home videos, even though I never celebrated Christmas.
58:54Like, everyone has a home video of them, like, opening presents on Christmas. That's one of my most fond videos. My dad, there was this one video. He got snow prints, and he put it on our carpet to make it seem like Santa came in from the winter. That's so cute. Oh, yeah, because you guys, like, didn't have, like, snow. Yeah, so we didn't have snow. And then my dad would write letters from Santa, and he would purposefully, like, fuck up his handwriting. He did it until we were, like, in our 20s. I'm like, dude, I know it's you. You don't need to keep doing this. Until your 20s. Oh, my God. That's so cute.
59:26Isn't it cute? To Chrissy from Santa, but, like, fucked up writing. I'm like, enough. Like, the charade is over. I get it. Oh, my God. Isn't that so cute? Oh, that's so sweet. I will say that we have, like, photos and stuff. There are photos of me as a child. But, like, the videos, that's so special to have. There's plenty. There'll be plenty of B-roll via AI that you can develop from a photo. A photo. Henry actually was, like, playing around with that the other day, and I was like, stop. Was it on Grok? It was, I think, Claude. Claude is his new favorite. Claude's the best. Don't come for me using AI.
59:55Use it for work. Okay, so my dark energy object is people thinking it's easy to start a podcast. And I'm not talking about women. I'm talking about men. Okay, so when I was at the pool yesterday, my friend lives in like a really nice, like one of those like high-rise kind of apartments where you can mingle with the other residents. So we were laying out and we were talking to this guy that we've known. We've like met him years ago. So we were just chatting. And he was like, oh, you have a podcast. And my friend's like, yeah, you got to go to our live show. and he's like oh when is it oh so people like he goes people like actually listen what yeah people listen he goes oh that's cool because yeah you know i've always wanted to start a podcast and i go about what because you know if you're gonna shave me i'm gonna shave you and i was like oh about what he's like well i don't know sports pop culture i was like well it's a really saturated market like you it's like it's a lot of work because he was actually pissing me off he's like i thought me and all my friends could just get together in a room and just start a podcast yeah Yeah, because it's that easy.
1:00:46Yeah, and I was like, it's really hard. Like, it's not just getting a podcast and thinking you can talk on the mic. I didn't say that. This is what I was thinking, by the way. That's so annoying. So annoying. We actually have, like, listeners. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we do. Oh, my God. That's so obnoxious. So annoying. Okay. My light energy object is just watching my cousins and their kids. like looking at life through the lens of like a young person whether it be like a child a toddler like a baby it's just so fun we did pinatas at the easter gathering on saturday and it was so funny we were cracking up because these kids doing the pinata like depending on how old they were it was just a light tap but some of the kids in third grade were like whipping it like crazy i'm like oh my god i would be scared of you if you came into my house at night but it's just like so sweet to watch little kids just like not in a creepy make memories yeah because i just know that that that is going to be imprinted in their memory for a long time yeah it's like everyone was cheering them on there's a crowd of people just like yeah nora like you know you know that's gonna be a core memory for them yeah yeah so i think that was really sweet what is yours i love that so i actually have two and i was thinking about this when you're talking about your family get together.
1:01:59So my mom's side of the family is all from Cincinnati. So we see each other not like that often, but we always get together for Thanksgiving. There are always occasions where we are all together. My dad's side of the family is more spread out throughout the country, including my grandparents and my cousins. So we see each other less often, but something that we do is have like a monthly Zoom call. And we had it last night with my grandparents. And it's so nice to be able to get FaceTime in. They live in Atlanta. So I'm not in Atlanta often enough. Amy Ross. Amy Ross, my mom. Or Linda, my aunt.
1:02:35Sorry, Linda Ross. Linda Ross, your aunt. My aunt Linda, who lives in Atlanta. And I was like, oh, she's the one who has a vintage store. I think she changed the name from Fines and Designs ATL to West End Vintage. So check it out. It just opened in Atlanta not too long ago. But yeah, when Christy was, she really is. And when Christy was there for work, I was like, if you ever need anything, holler at Aunt Linda. Aunt Linda. It's always good to have like a person that you know. In case something goes awry, I have a contact. Even if I don't know you, it just feels more comforting. I mean, you're like alone in a city across the country.
1:03:08You know, it's nice to know that there is someone in case you need something. But that is, you know, such a great thing to do if you have family that's dispersed a little bit because it really feels like we're seeing each other and spending time together even though we're we're not physically together right um and my other light energy object is calling a vacation a holiday yeah it's very like european they all say that yeah it's like british european i just think it's like chic audrey goes i'm on my holly bops my holly bops i don't know if that's like an irish like no your cousins and you are so cute i love your little like group photos and your bowling photos sophie the bowler yeah that's me Yeah.
1:03:47So like my yeah, my mom's side, we like all went to the same high school, grew up together, grew up like neighbors, basically. So we are very close and see each other way more frequently. And my dad's side, we didn't grow up together, but I still feel close with them because we get these Zoom calls in. So that's a good idea. Yeah. Highly recommend, especially like it's so nice with, you know, it's hard to make time for grandparents that live far away. Like you want to talk to them while you still can. And but it's hard. They're on, you know, the other side of the country. yeah yeah it's it's nice isn't even i think it is really nice to remind yourself like sometimes it does feel like a chore like oh i have to you know i have something on my calendar that i need to show up for but when you do it feels so energizing for like the soul especially when it's like family it's i totally get you my my dad's side as well as we are various but like i have a cousin in hong kong um some most of them are in northern california like it's just hard to get everyone together in one place because they all have their own families with their kids at least on my dad's So it's like, I feel like I never really get to see them anymore, which is sad.
1:04:49Yeah. But that's just such is life, guys. But call your grandparent or call your cousin. Yeah, if you're lucky enough to have family that is somewhere else, somewhere distant, call them. Set up a Zoom call. Yeah. FaceTime. Yeah. You guys, if all of our live shows are now live, our first show is like in a month almost. Oh my, that's so crazy. Isn't that crazy? May 15th LA live show. Wait, you guys, Christy, can you tell them how I was texting you? I was like, wait, so like when, when is that? I am so type B. Christy has been like anally planning this for months now, meticulously all of her ducks in a row.
1:05:29And I was like, wait, Christy. Hey, did you, um, what days are we in the hotel? I thought it was Thursday, Friday. It was fine. I was like, no. Yeah. Christy's like, we talked about this. Like, what are you talking about? I was like, oh. Oh, I totally guess. It's now coming back to me. Thank you. Yes, too expensive. Got it. No, I was like, is my like type B coming out? I actually was so self-conscious. I was like, Christy's probably so annoyed at me that I don't know anything that's going on. I'm just showing up. I just show up. No, do you know what? I was so, I was half asleep and I was texting you too.
1:06:00So I was like, there you go. Like da, da, da. But no, you guys, we're actually putting together so many things. All of our VIP guests will get a goodie bag because we have a couple of sponsors that are helping us put on the show and making it great for you guys. So if you guys buy a VIP ticket, you'll get some free stuff. But even if you're not a VIP, you can still show up, have a great time, be around us. My mom's going to be there. Your mom's going to be there. Henry's going to be there. Rachel and Olivia are going to be there. Henry. And we have special guest Ryan Bailey coming on. And potentially Jesse Solomon, if we can pull some strings.
1:06:36I'm being so for real. I feel like that's not going to be like enticing to people. People are actually not going to want then come now yeah i was like that's actually detracting people from attending like if he's going i don't really want to attend um and then in our nyc live show we have like a special guest like a new york city influencer yes and like we're not fucking around guys we've been keeping that close to the chest um but she is a big deal like we're not fucking around here i am very excited it's gonna be really fun so we've talked about her before so it's not like someone we've never spoken about on the show.
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1:07:44He is going to be on Broadway. And everyone's like - Everyone's like, his revenge dress. Like, what's he going to wear to the reunion? You guys are so funny. Whoever's putting together these info or these graphics are just so clever. The memes. The internet is sometimes a fantastic place. When people are being funny, it's just so good. Yeah, it is. So, yeah, all of that is in the show notes. and thank you guys for listening. We hope you have an amazing week. Talk to you guys later. Bye.
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