What’s the Snark on Anna Delvey?

27:13You know what I'm thinking of as you're speaking? I'm thinking about these objectively, like, attractive white women, I guess. Elizabeth Holmes, who was able to be on, like, senators and the biggest, like, Silicon Valley investors. And Anna Delvey with all these, like, and shi-shi hotels and connecting with all these, like, socialites in New York City. It's like this personality disorder. When you think it and believe it, it becomes real. And so it's like as long as you believe it in your head, then you can make sure others believe it as well. And I think there's a disorder for this. To a degree, it's like histrionic personality disorder.

27:54And I want to actually Google exactly. So it's like a mental health condition characterized by excessive emotionality, attention-seeking behaviors, and dramatic or theatrical display. So exaggerated emotional expression, attention-seeking behaviors, easily influenced by other shallow or rapidly shifting emotions, need for reassurance and approval, self-centeredness. I know a couple people like this in my real life. Maybe not to this degree, but it has to be some type of personality disorder. And I think coupled with the fact that there are these objectively attractive white women that have either this weird deep accent, like in the instance of Elizabeth Holmes or in Adelphi, who has this European accent.

28:32they're put to this other like level of oh we trust them because they speak this way they they dress this way they behave this way yeah therefore it must be true yeah exactly she just gained people's trust somehow in a way that actually is very impressive and she would never pay for anything but then everyone just assumed that she was good for it like I said she it was always something with her credit card but they believed that she would pay them back and she obviously never did. And she actually at one point hired a PR firm to plan her big birthday party in 2016 at a New York City restaurant.

29:11Her credit card kept getting declined when it was time to pay. And the restaurant eventually reached out to her friend Michael, the art collector, to get Anna's contact information because she was dodging them. And this is when he started to get a little bit suspicious of her and noticed she was always paying in cash and obviously lived in a hotel. She eventually repaid Michael because he ended up reimbursing the restaurant, ended up paying him back, but then he eventually blocked her and ended their friendship. In 2016 is when she meets a woman named Rachel Deloche Williams while Anna is living at this hotel.

29:52And Rachel was a photo editor at Vanity Fair at the time, and they become best friends. And Rachel ends up playing a huge role in Anna getting exposed and arrested later on. In 2016 and 2017, Anna has this like big dream to start something called the Anna Delvey Foundation. She was like obsessed with the social scene and the art scene in New York. And it was supposed to be basically this private members club and art foundation, like think Soho House kind of. And she started to look around the city for funding, targeting wealthy people in her social circle. She ended up finding a big, big building called the Church Missions House as an events venue and art studio.

30:40That was her proposal. And basically she wanted it to be this huge visual arts center and curated by artist Daniel Arsham, a friend she had made throughout the years. She also wanted exhibits by Jeff Koons and Damien Hirst and some of these big, big artists. They're literally some of the biggest visual artists in the world. I'm not super familiar with the art world, but these are some of the most iconic artists ever. And she was like, yeah, they're just going to collaborate with me on my like hype, dream, social, art, house, whatever the fuck it is, foundation. Why the word foundation in it? What about it as a foundation?

31:20It's interesting that you're bringing up the idea of an exclusive club because I was watching this video online and this woman brought up the idea of what exudes wealth in various cities like New York, San Francisco, or LA. And she explained that with San Francisco, it's about like what tech startup are you part of? What investments have you made in the next big thing? LA, it's Hollywood and elite circles like media and entertainment, but with New York, because of it being such a dense and highly populated city with minimal space, exclusivity and status means being invited into these exclusive clubs because you have access into these places where other normies aren't allowed in.

32:00So like by her establishing this private members only club, like Zero Bond, for instance, or Soho House, you're already proving your worth to other people by saying, listen, I have a space we can all connect and hang out in, and the normal people aren't allowed in it. Yeah, totally. This was her way of creating her own. She had been sneaking into these spaces, kind of scamming her way into them for so long, and now she's like, I'm going to make my own. And so she starts out by attempting to get a$22 million loan to lease this church missions house. She began submitting loan applications with false documents.

32:34So this is when it actually veered into like straight up very illegal fraud. She would use Microsoft Word to create fake fake statements to again show that she had the 60 million. I don't know how she came up with like the 60 million number. I think she was like, yeah, that sounds good. So she yeah, she was creating fake fake statements. I mean, she's pretty handy at the computer. I mean, God. Yeah. And so she was like, yeah, I have all of these bank accounts in Switzerland. I can't access them though, because I'm in the U.S. My offshore account that I can't access through the internet, www.bankofsweden.com or whatever.

33:14Yeah, exactly. What? She had like fake emails too of these bankers. It was like a very, very, very complicated scam. She ended up hiring a real lawyer named Andrew Lance. And Lance actually was trying to get this to happen for her because he believed her. So he put her in touch with big institutions like the City National Bank and Fortress Investment Group, was like, I'm trying to secure you this loan. In November 2016, she made a loan application with these false documents. And City National said no because Anna could not give the source of the Swiss assets that she apparently had. Yeah, good job.

33:56She then applied to a loan from Fortress and Fortress was like, we can only consider this if you pay us$100 ,000 to cover the legal expenses for the application. I mean, not Trump change. Yeah. Jesus Christ. And so she eventually ended up getting this$100 ,000 loan to convince this other bank or investment group that she actually had this money. And that was something that she ended up doing was kind of running her own Ponzi scheme. Whenever someone was like, Anna, where's my money? She would give them someone else's money. And then it was like a never ending cycle. But yeah, so she basically convinced National Bank, City National Bank to give her this$100 ,000 temporary overdraft by making the fake AOL email address of Peter Heneke, a Swiss bank official that obviously never existed.

34:56You had me at AOL.com. I know, right? During her trial, they discovered that she was Googling how to create untraceable fake emails. And when people started to get suspicious, she said that Peter died. She ended up inventing a new person named Bettina Wagner. This woman must have had so much time to orchestrate fake bank statements, create fake email aliases, pull together$100 ,000 out of her ass. I mean, I'll give it to her. She's crafty as hell. Oh, yeah. She's super, super scrappy. I mean, gotta respect the hustle. I mean, I don't really respect it, but like you kind of have to in a way. Yeah.

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40:59And so then Fortress wanted to verify her assets by going to Switzerland to meet her bankers. This is obviously when she withdrew the loan application because her bankers in Switzerland didn't exist. I don't know what she thought would happen. I don't know how she actually thought this would work. In February 2017, Fortress gave Anna$55 ,000 of her deposit back because they didn't spend it on fees. She then spent this money on designer clothes, personal trainers,$800 highlights,$400 eyelash extensions, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. She was nonstop shopping at Elise Walker, Net-A-Porter. It wasn't going towards supporting herself or paying people back.

41:43It was literally just shopping, personal trainers, maintenance. And it's funny also because she spent so much money on her appearance. One of the telltale signs from the Cut article, someone mentioned that they could tell she wasn't actually a wealthy heiress because her hair looked cheap. Her hair always looked fried. Like there's a telltale sign when you're wealthy, apparently. And people said this also, I think, about Elizabeth Holmes, I want to say, that her hair was always frazzled. When you were rich, you look rich. Like your hair looks rich. Everything about you looks well-maintained. And so that was kind of like a red flag for people that if you know, you know.

42:22The average person wouldn't necessarily clock that. Right. But people in those circles were like, there's something off about her hair. Elizabeth Holmes, when I picture her, I just think of very fried blonde hair for some reason. Like that makes a lot of sense. Which is weird because she was at one point making a lot of money on private jets like every week. But apparently her personal, I mean, she didn't like to put a lot of thought into her personal appearance with like the Steve Jobs turtleneck and everything. She didn't want to think about it. Yeah, totally. So in early 2017, it's time for another hotel stay that she can't pay for.

42:57She checked into Eleven Howard. This is a boutique hotel in Soho that runs about$400 a night. And again, she never had a working credit card, but she was super generous to the staff, tipping them$100 at a time, was acting like an heiress. And so they didn't think much of it. And also like she's white, young, pretty. She just, she has that white, pretty privilege. She becomes close with another employee. And this is what she does. She becomes close with these hotel employees so that they like kind of don't rat her out. One employee in particular named Neff was interviewed for the Cut article. They became super close.

43:36Anna would treat her to wine, food, spa treatments. She was constantly tipping the staff in cash so that they were like, she's good for it. She's actually an heiress. It's fine. according to the cut there's this line in the show that she says to some of the employees where she goes what are you bitches broke and that actually apparently happened so she was also classist and rude at the same time but for the most part was always walking around like the heiress that she was she was always eating at lo cuckoo which is the hotel's restaurant which is a very, very, very upscale restaurant. She made friends with the chef, Daniel Rose, billed her food to her room, which she obviously never paid for.

44:21By March 2017, she was running out of money. She would invite friends out to dinner and drinks, but when the bill came, once again, she would conveniently forget her credit cards or claim they weren't working. At the same time, she was still out on the scene with Macaulay Culkin, just all the socialites. I know it's so random. Martin Shkreli, remember the Pharma bro? And this is around the time that the hotel realized there was no credit card on file for Anna, even though the bill was$300 ,000 at this point. Oh my God. Well, I guess that makes sense. I'm shocked it's not higher considering she lived there and went to the, it sounds like a French fricking like five-star dining every day.

45:03Yeah. She literally was living there, billing restaurant bills to her room that she wasn't paying for. She tried to give this hotel staff a case of Dom Perignon to try and win them over. But the hotel policy was like, we can't accept that. Absolutely not. We need you to actually pay for this shit. In April of that year, she deposited$160 ,000 worth of fraudulent checks into a Citibank account. She withdrew$70 ,000 before they returned, then wired$30 ,000 to Levin Howard to help pay her hotel bill. Oh my God. In May of that year, she sent a forged wire transfer confirmation from Deutsche Bank for$35 ,000 to book a return charter flight on a Blade business jet.

45:51She literally booked herself a private jet without being able to pay for it. She wanted to go to Omaha to attend the annual Berkshire Hathaway meeting so she could meet Warren Buffett. Blade later reported her to the police because she didn't actually pay. And they were like, they ended up asking the Blade CEO, they were like, why did you let her book a private jet without her paying for it in advance? And they were like, it was someone that ran in the social circle with her and was like, I just, I thought she was good for it. She is this German heiress. The entry code to her room at 11 Howard was eventually changed because she still didn't pay her bill.

46:34And so they confiscated all of her belongings and they finally evicted her. And this is actually really funny. To get back at them, she bought website domain names matching the hotel manager's names to try to ransom them for like millions of dollars. Oh my God. She's vindictive too. Yeah, of course they did not end up paying that. She ends up moving out of 11 Howard and into the Mercer Hotel with help from her friend Rachel for a couple days. She also stayed for a few nights at the Bowery Hotel where she sent the hotel fake wire transfer receipt from Deutsche Bank. It was like this rinse and repeat over the years.

47:14She would charm the staff and delay payment with excuses and then moved on and like without ever actually paying them. Have you ever been scammed before, by the way? I'm trying to think maybe back in like 2007 when using Craigslist and I might've sold my iPod. Like I can't remember if this happened to me or a girlfriend of mine in high school, but have you? Okay. I got scammed. This reminds me of how I got scammed on Craigslist like not that long ago, probably like two years ago. I think it was when it was when Henry and I were moving. It was I think it was 2023. And I fell for the classic Craigslist scam because once again, I'm a fucking dumbass.

47:56And the Craigslist scam is when someone says I was selling chairs and they were like, I want to buy these chairs, but I'm old and I don't know how to use online banking. So I'm going to send you a cashier's check. Is that okay? And I was like, yeah, sure. And they would also be like, we're going to add a little bit extra onto the check so that you can pay the movers because the movers are going to pick up the chairs because I'm not in New York. And I was like, oh, it's just like a sweet old man who like, yeah, just needs to send a cashier's check and doesn't have the ability to pick up the chairs himself.

48:30So I was like, yeah, sure. Deposited the cashier's check when I got it. It showed up in my bank account. And then the scam goes, they say that some emergency happened in his case is like daughter got in a car accident or something. They no longer want the furniture and want you to send the money back to them via online banking, which should have been the red flag. It's like, wait, I thought you didn't use online banking. I fell for that. I literally was like, yeah, sure. Oh, I'm sorry about your daughter. And then I, the cashier's check is fake. It shows up at first in your bank account. I've heard of this scam.

49:06Yes. But it's not real money. It doesn't exist. So I ended up sending them like$1 ,600 because I'm a fucking dumbass. I ended up getting reimbursed by my bank because I was like, I got scammed. Yeah. But yeah, you guys got to be careful out there. You got to be careful out there. Yeah. In 2017 is also when the infamous Morocco trip happened. So she invites some of her friends on an all expenses paid trip to Morocco. All expenses paid in quotes for the record. She invited her personal trainer, Casey Duke, a videographer because she wanted to make a documentary about their trip. And then her friend, Rachel, booked a five-star resort called La Mamunia.

49:47I don't know if I'm pronouncing that right. It was$7 ,000 per night for a three-bedroom suite with a private pool and a butler. They were living it up until the hotel realized that Anna's credit cards didn't work and demanded some sort of payment and literally cornered them and was like, you guys are not leaving without payment. What? Is this displayed in the show? I would love to see this. Like, yes. Oh my gosh. Anna gave them tons of excuses, obviously blame the staff. It became this huge ordeal. Anna convinced Rachel to pay the$62 ,000 bill. And that was more than a year's worth of her salary.

50:26and she split it on her personal card and her work Amex. So Rachel also ended up paying for the flights because Anna was like, oh, I'll pay you back. I'm paying for the hotel. You pay for the flights. I'll pay you back. And also stuff that Anna bought, a private tour of the Major L Garden. Of course, everything Anna said she would pay her back for. Rachel gets back to New York and Anna only pays her 5K and Rachel was like, I need my fucking money. I need to be reimbursed. I cannot afford this. Amex was later, and this is also why Amex is great. Amex worked with Rachel to remove$52 ,000 of the charges on her credit card.

51:11Her work also was very understanding, thankfully. This is when Rachel also started to get officially suspicious of Anna, which should have happened earlier. But she realized that Anna never paid anyone back and that everyone was told a different backstory of Anna. And so this is when she's like, okay, I need to start collecting information on her and eventually goes to the police. Okay, so back in New York, Rachel goes to the police and they are building their case. She's evicted from the Beekman Hotel because she could not pay her$11 ,000 bill. She went to the W New York downtown, did the same thing, evicted after two days, didn't pay her bill.

51:52she got a misdemeanor charge for theft of services from the Beekman and the W. By July, she's homeless. She cried to her personal trainer, Casey, and pressured her into letting Anna stay with her. She asked Rachel. Rachel said no. Casey was like, it's time to go. Like, it's literally time to go. And Anna would not leave. Eventually, she did leave, though, but she left her laptop. And Casey left Anna's laptop with the doorman and was like, do not give this laptop to this girl and do not let her up under any circumstances. She started stalking the building. Oh my God. That's really frightening too.

52:29It's unsettling. Yeah. Casey like couldn't leave her home. She was like a prisoner in her own home. The police caught Anna dining and dashing at the LaParker Meridian Hotel. And by now she is being fully investigated. Like I said, Rachel reported her to the police. So the Manhattan district attorney is investigating her for bank fraud. Casey and Rachel eventually confront Anna about not getting paid back. And she cries to them about how she will once she gets the lease signed. So she is still keeping up the fraud, even as she's confronted. She's like, it's going to happen. It's going to happen.

53:04I'm getting I'm getting the building like it's going to it's going to happen. The Anna Delvey Foundation is still in the works. In August of 2017, she deposits two more bad checks totaling$15 ,000 and do an account at Signature Bank. She was able to withdraw$8 ,200 in cash before the checks bounce. So again, that is also why pretty much anyone, if you're willing to commit fraud, can carry around wads of cash. You commit check fraud, get the cash out, and then you're able to escape with the cash before the bank even realizes, which is not something I would recommend, obviously. She was actually planning a trip to Passages in Malibu, where she would probably just hide away and ignore everyone.

53:48Which is a rehabilitation center, which is like probably tens of like a couple thousand dollars a day. Yeah, exactly. She was finally arrested October 3rd, 2017 in a sting operation planned by the NYPD. The lead officer was working with Rachel the entire time.

54:09Later that month, she was indicted on two counts of attempted grand larceny in the first degree, three counts of grand larceny in the second degree, one count of grand larceny in the third degree, and one count of misdemeanor theft of services for the fraudulent loan applications made to city, national, and fortress, the check fraud, the cost of the trip to Morocco, and the unpaid hotel and restaurant bills. In total, she swindled an estimated$200 ,000 to$275 ,000 in unpaid bills, loans, and fraudulent credit. I know. She ends up pleading not guilty and refused plea deals. She's held at Rikers during this time.

54:47She made headlines for her attitude towards reporters. She would act like she was sorry in the courtroom, but then to the reporter, she'd be like, the thing is, I'm not sorry. I would do it all over again. She also would show up in outfits that were styled by a stylist. And one day her trial or the day in court was delayed several hours because she didn't like her outfit and she didn't want to show up in her Rikers jumpsuit. She like refused to. She also had 13 disciplinary infractions at Rikers, including fighting with other inmates. she was ultimately placed in solitary confinement at one point and then her notoriety in the media kept growing in 2018 jessica pressler published that infamous article in the cut netflix ended up paying anna 320 000 for the rights to her story which shonda rhymes later used to create inventing anna which premiered in 2022 even though she ended up getting sued by the new New York Attorney General's office for profiting off of a crime that she was convicted of.

55:52Yeah, I was going to say Shonda Rhimes paying her the 320K, I guess, helped her get a little bit out of her debt, but it's rewarding someone who doesn't deserve to be rewarded. I don't know. I have mixed feelings on that. Yeah. Since her trial ends up happening in 2019, and by this time, she is kind of a pseudo-celebrity. So there's like so much attention on her, lots of reporters there. Even though the trial ends up getting really boring, it's a lot of boring bankers and people talking about finances and stuff like that. At one point, she goes, where is everyone? She like turned to her lawyer and she's like, where is everyone?

56:29Because people started to like lose interest a little bit. She ended up getting found guilty of three counts of grand larceny for the major thefts from banks and others. One kind of attempted grand larceny related to the failed$22 million loan attempt and four counts of theft of services for the unpaid hotel and restaurant bills. But she was acquitted of one of the most serious charges of the indictment, attempting to steal more than$1 million from City National Bank.

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59:09Like, that's literally what the lawyer argued. They were like, there's not intent there. Like, she was going to borrow the money, and then she was going to pay them back. You cannot prove that she intended to steal this money without paying them back, which is hilarious. In July 2019, Rachel publishes her book, My Friend Anna. She got$300 ,000 for the story. So it kind of all worked out for Rachel. She detestified at the trial and she was crying and saying it was the most traumatic thing that's ever happened to her, which I'm sure it was traumatic at that time. But it ended up working out for her.

59:38She got a show, a book deal. She had some good reparations for it. Yeah. Yeah. Lena Dunham ended up paying Rachel$35 ,000 for an option for the TV rights to her story, but didn't use it. Inventing Anna happened instead. Anna was sentenced to four to 12 years in prison, so at least four years, but up to 12, depending on good behavior slash parole. She was also fined$24 ,000 in order to pay$199 ,000 in restitution to repay the bank and others. A lot of this ended up coming out of Anna's$320 ,000 deal with Netflix, which I side-eye Netflix for paying her. Yeah, I was going to say, so it's a Shonda Rhimes production, but Netflix was the distributor.

1:00:20Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. It's, I guess they just care about the bottom line and they're like, this is the juiciest story ever. And it actually was a huge get for them because ultimately inventing Anna was one of the biggest shows on Netflix during that time. I feel everyone was talking about it. Even though it wasn't good. Like it really was not good or well done at all. But yeah, people enjoyed it, I guess. The judge in the trial noted Anna's major lack of remorse and declared herself stunned by the depth of the deception. she was transferred from Rikers to New York State Prison System, initially at Bedford Hills Correctional Facility, a women's prison, and then later to Albion Correctional.

1:01:02In February 2021, she was released from prison on parole for good behavior after serving almost four years, and she was 30 when she was released. And so she was released and then immediately is like, I'm a celebrity. I'm a socialite now. She checked into the Nomad Hotel after getting released and hired a German camera crew to follow her and film her activities. This is crazy because she owes so many hotels and people hundreds of thousands of dollars. She got a$320 ,000 payout from Netflix, but she still probably has so much debt for her name. And here she is hiring a freaking camera crew to follow her around.

1:01:37Like the scam just continues. It never ends. It never ends with her. Six weeks after her release, ICE ended up taking Anna for overstaying her visa. She would stay in immigration detention for one and a half years, the whole time fighting against deportation back to Germany. She was held in Jersey to await deportation. She legally contested this. She was still active in the media during this time, doing interviews, keeping up with Instagram. She was also working on her personal artistic projects. Like being followed around by a film crew to create her own documentary like she wanted to in Morocco.

1:02:15Yeah. The immigration judge said that if Anna is freed, she would continue to defy people, which is true. She ended up filing a class action lawsuit against ICE at one point because she tested positive for COVID and said that they refused her a vaccine booster, which actually is very fucked up. Yeah. In 2022, Inventing Anna premiered on Netflix and became the most watched show of that week. So at least it had a big premiere. I feel like Julia Garner did a good job with the material. I just don't think the material was very good. She ended up doing an art show called Free Anna Delvey that featured artwork from 33 artists inspired by Anna at one point in 2022.

1:02:58What is with her trying? She's like obsessed with the art world, but she doesn't really create anything of her own. Yeah. And who's even selling her anything knowing her history? Yeah, exactly. She began using her art to create NFTs and selling them also. She ended up creating her own art exhibit later in 2022, where models walked through the second floor of the public hotel holding Anna's drawings in gold frames, and they were not good. Wait, is this SendBitcoin Anna Delvey special? Anna Sorkin special? No, that is one of the artists that she commissioned to create art about her. That art is not bad.

1:03:42Her actual art is not good. Her. Yeah. But she would still try to sell them for 10K apiece. Once a scammer, always a scammer. She said that 15 % of the proceeds would go to children's charities, but she never specified which ones. Giving set active. 2 % of the proceeds will be donated to breast cancer awareness. Yeah. In October 2022, she is released from ICE detainment on a$10 ,000 bail bond. She was required to stay at home 24 hours a day and wore an ankle monitor. She also was forbidden to use social media. She could leave her home for approved appointments, and she sold regular check-ins with ICE officers.

1:04:20By the end of 2022, she had miraculously sold over$340 ,000 worth of art. her money was used to post that bail and pay rent for her four thousand two hundred fifty dollar a month one bedroom apartment downtown were purchasing her art because it was anna sorkin and adelvey's art yeah a hundred percent they didn't actually think it was good yeah they're just like lol-ing at her and like this is this is funny yeah exactly who who are these people like show your face why are you why are you uplifting this person i don't know i don't understand like the psychology behind that of someone wanting to like move into the grip like lean into the grift I don't very bizarre she has kind of like a cult following you could argue people like really respect her grift it's yeah it's kind of like when people write letters to like serial killers in jail it's like you have this obsession with people that do wrong and you become fans and it's like you create this cult yeah group that's obsessed with everything that you do it's a very bizarre thing.

1:05:23Like not only is she bizarre, but the people that stan her are equally as bizarre. Yeah. I think, I think people that stan her though, do not actually think that she did anything wrong. They're like, she defrauded banks and rich people in hotels, but it's like at the same time, imagine being on the receiving end of her chaos and her fraud and think about people got fired over like at that one at one hotel she was at at that restaurant that she didn't pay the bill for people ended up getting fired because of her and how stressful that must be for the hotel staff to have to run around and try and get her cash like yeah you're you're defrauding a corporation but at the same time it doesn't minimize the impact and the stress that you had on the workers and the employees of that corporation and the mental toll it must have taken on them.

1:06:13Like that's fucked up. Yeah. She caused a lot of stress to a lot of people's lives. Yes. Even if she didn't actually like murder anyone, you know, obviously serial killers are way worse, but she's not, she's not a good person. So even at home during house arrest, she was busy working on her re-entry into public life. She launched her podcast, The Anna Delvey Show in 2023. She would host recordings for her apartment. she was planning a reality TV project that never got off the ground. In 2023, it was in development but didn't have a network. Again, never really became of anything. And even though she was paid$320 ,000 for Inventing Anna, she used so much of it for legal fees and paying people back.

1:06:58She was out of money again. She was trying to find different ways to earn. She was also later allowed to finally use online platforms in a limited capacity in late 2023. So that is when she started her Instagram career. I guess you could call it, if you can call it that. She was still wearing an ankle monitor and famously bedazzled it and would call paparazzi to take pictures of her leaving her apartment. Those pictures would go viral. In early 2024, she was allowed to move her house arrest to Hudson Valley, where she lived in, fun fact, Kelly Catrone's house in Cold Spring in her spare bedroom.

1:07:39So funny. I went to the Hills finale party at the Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel when the series ended. And I don't even remember how I got tickets to this thing. But one of the people that I met, I met the whole cast, but Kelly Catrone, she was actually so fucking nice. That's so surprising. She's the scariest person ever. She is. It's funny because Anna said that Kelly actually was one of her biggest inspirations growing up because she watched The Hills and wanted to work in fashion PR. So they ended up becoming close friends and collaborated on projects for New York Fashion Week. That's the most random thing I've ever heard.

1:08:13I know. It's so bizarre. In August 2024, a judge says that Anna is now allowed to roam the city just in time for New York Fashion Week. She's issued a social security number. she's now allowed to legally work. Founds the outlaw agency with Kelly Cutrone. It's now a real business. Even though she's still technically under house arrest, she's allowed to move within 75 miles of her home and again, is able to use social media. And who needs to leave their house when they can use social media? Sad, but true. Yeah. Everything can be done from your phone now with the gig economy. It's pretty crazy to think about.

1:08:50Yeah. She still has to wear an ankle monitor and she's still classified as a german national facing removal from the u.s if she is to break her probation in september 2024 she goes on dancing with the stars she's paired with ezra so this is like i still cannot believe that dancing both stars cast her yeah i feel like dancing with the stars a bit sorry like a little bit of a conjecture but dancing with the stars has really up leveled their casting because i feel like dancing with the stars before the season was kind of where celebrities who have been kind of irrelevant Yes, like reinstate their career.

1:09:23But now it's like they have Alex Earl and Dylan Ephron on people that are very much coming up or already up. But yeah, I mean, great gig for Anna Delvey because Dancing with the Stars every week that goes by, you continue to earn a lot of money. So it's in everyone's best interest to stay on the show as long as possible. So if she's wanting to repay all those debts from her, her lawsuits and everything, this is a great gig for her. But again, why the fuck are we giving her a platform? No, exactly. And Dancing with the Stars got a lot of backlash for this. It's like, why are you rewarding a criminal with more fame?

1:09:54But that's such a good point that I feel like Dancing with the Stars used to be for like washed up D-listers. And now it's like Alex Earl at the height of her fame is on Dancing with the Stars. It's like, it's a good platform. I think that Alex Earl, I also saw that her podcast Hot Mess has like shot up in the charts. I think she's gaining even more new fans from being on Dancing with the Stars. So it can be a great platform to gain more fans. Yeah. Unfortunately for Anna, she was eliminated in the first round. I remember that when she was super embarrassed. And I think she was totally in denial.

1:10:26She's like, wait, what do you mean? I forgot where I heard that, but I think she was very shocked. Yeah. It became a meme when she's asked during her exit interview what she learned during the experience and she said nothing. Yeah, yeah, I remember that. Nothing. And then she claimed the Dancing with the Stars was predatory and only cared about exploiting her for attention. and they purposely tried to make her look stupid. Rich coming from her. I know, seriously. Okay, so what she has been up to since then, she is still under house arrest in New York as of 2025 and continues to work on her various side quests as she continues to contest her deportation.

1:11:08She's still working on her career in fashion. She's still doing photo shoots for brands, was busy during Fashion Week. She has modeled during Fashion Week. She's had quite the physical transformation. If you look at a before and after, like she kind of looks like a different person. Yeah. She also claims she's working on prison reform and developing a TV show with Kelly Cattrone. It's crazy also how much leeway ICE has given her with her ankle monitor on quote unquote house arrest. Like she was able to walk the runway during New York Fashion Week. Like, yeah, I'm looking at pictures of her right now.

1:11:47Yeah, she's unrecognizable. This is not the same woman that was earlier on in your notes. Yeah, crazy. In May 2025, she was featured in the New Yorkers portfolio powerhouses inside the living rooms of notable New Yorkers. She apparently lives in Fidei now. So she also was alongside Emrata and like other very notable. And Lin-Manuel Miranda. I was like, what the fuck is going on? Again, they keep they keep in Diane von Furstenberg, Martin Scorsese, Gloria Steinem. Like, it's actually nuts. They just keep they keep legitimizing her. Chloe Sevigny. Why did I pronounce it like that? Sevigny. So, yeah, apparently she's notable enough to be alongside Martin Scorsese and Lin-Manuel Miranda in The New Yorker.

1:12:41I swear to God, it's this pretty privilege. Again, if she was someone that lived in a bigger body, wasn't blonde, I guarantee you she would not be able to. She, one, wouldn't have been able to continue. Yeah, wasn't white. She wouldn't have, one, been able to even keep the con up for more than a month. But the fact that all of her mis—what's the word I'm looking for? Like, all the errors that she's made in her life. And she continues to attract more fans. And I just looked on her Instagram. She has over a million followers and she's hanging out with a list. I mean, not a list, maybe Hollywood celebrities.

1:13:16This is the definition of white privilege. No, it literally is. It like actually. Yes. The definition. Yes. But yeah, in terms of her physical transformation, like we said, she actually admitted that she lost 40 pounds on Ozempic and did a lot of beauty treatments, chemical peels, lasers. That's what she's admitted to. She also says that her looks have changed because she's happier and she has a house arrest boyfriend that she's been dating for two years. It's very obvious that she's had Botox, fillers, potentially more than that, like an upper bleth. I don't know. Either way, she looks like a different person and that's what she's spending her money on these days.

1:14:02It never is going towards anything productive, obviously. She also says that she walks around four miles a day around the city. Again, like, what is this house arrest? Yeah, I don't understand that. I'm going to need the document that discusses the parameters at which she, I have no idea. Crazy. So as for her most recent controversy, in August 2025, Bunny Gate, Anna Delvey was the talent in a photo shoot that used rabbits. These rabbits were then found abandoned in Prospect Park. And the photographer was a young photographer named Jasper Soloff. and there was also a 19-year-old assistant on the shoot named Christian Batty who was in charge of getting the rabbits and people online noticed after she posted the photo shoot that these rabbits that mysteriously appeared were clearly the same rabbits from the photo shoot and also the carrier was left there and obviously this got a lot of backlash from animal rights groups and just everyone in general on the internet.

1:15:02Anna said that I will find and sue dimwits like yourself who simply refused to accept that the bunnies that were borrowed for our shoot are safe at home with their owner. So she, at first, denied dumping the bunnies. It's like, how do you deny there's bunnies running around frickin' Bryant Park? Where was it? Like, how would you deny it? Prospect Park, Prospect Park in Brooklyn. I'm being so for real. People that live in this delusional mindset, I envy them. I know. Genuinely, how much happier would I be if I thought everyone loved me, that everything in my mind was actually, in fact, real, that I'm incapable of doing any wrong.

1:15:39I just don't understand people that had this type of disorder in their mind. It must be so nice. I know. Insane. Yeah. It must be freeing. It must be genuinely freeing. So eventually, the 19-year-old assistant admitted to it. He said, I need to be completely honest. I lied to you, Anna, and the rest of the team about the rabbits. The truth is I did abandon them in the park. It was wrong, cruel, and inexcusable, and I take full responsibility. When I realized the rabbits were being surrendered to me, I panicked. At 19, with no experience caring for animals, like, no one is expecting you to just start taking care of all these rabbits on your own.

1:16:15Just find an animal shelter, right? Right, right. It's animal cruelty, and that's where I draw the line. So then Anna was like, okay, yeah, this did happen, but it's all the assistant's fault, and put him on blast. She posted her own statement, completely blaming the assistant, called it Bunnygate. Yeah, it became a whole ordeal. She then posted that she donated$1 ,000 to Rabbit's Rescue. Then Anna, with her new sidekick Kelly Cattrone, started beefing with that photographer because his lawyer tried to distance the photographer Jasper Sola from the situation. This was not Jasper's photo shoot.

1:16:56He did not arrange any of the details surrounding it. Jasper had no knowledge or input as to how the bunnies were obtained or what happened to them after the photo shoot. Anna shared a screenshot where Kelly called him pathetic and a liar. People were questioning why the photos with the bunnies were still up on her Instagram because people were very offended by this whole situation. Meanwhile, a food blogger who rescued the bunnies gave an update saying that the bunnies are safe and she was looking for a new home for them. Meanwhile, Anna started selling BunnyGate merch that said, Missing Have You Seen Me?

1:17:34with a photo of a bunny on it. It is so disgusting. This is actually when I officially unfollowed her. I was like, fuck you. Imagine how scared those rabbits were. No, that like actually breaks my heart that you have like dozens of rabbits on your person and you just dump them on a park and just walk away. Like, how could you? In good conscience. How could you just walk away from that? And I refuse to believe that she had no knowledge of it because she full out. She was like, oh, all of the bunnies are in safe homes at first. And then eventually the assistant cop to it. And that's the assistant.

1:18:08I don't think that he made that decision entirely on his own. Right. She's a sociopath. She has proved that she's a sociopath. She posted alongside this merch with the caption, the scandal they couldn't stop talking about. now on a shirt that demands what the law doesn't. Accountability for abandoned animals. Provide the market and the demand that keeps the Bun-Gazi pseudo story going. Perfect for anyone who's ever been wrongfully or rightfully accused, judged, or misjudged, convicted, or acquitted, or who aspires to be known for their well-knownness. Wear the outrage and let the internet know you survived.

1:18:42Hashtag bunny gate. Tacky, disgusting, vile. Disgusting, disgusting. Yeah. So she pledged 20 % of proceeds to go to animal organizations, which again, I highly, highly doubt that she did. She no. I see. Yeah, exactly. I highly, highly doubt it. But yeah, that is what Anna Delvey has been up to. I think she will continue to scam and defraud people. Let us know, you guys. Are you an Anna Delvey fan? Do you do you respect her hustle, her grift? Or are you grossed out by her like I am? What are your thoughts, Christy? I think Ponzi schemes, fraud against corporations, that would be a really interesting episode that we could do because I think this is an example of one person that's defrauded many individuals, businesses.

1:19:29But I think stuff like the Elizabeth Holmes of it all, it's so interesting to me that a single person can do so much damage and con so many people into believing that what they're doing is correct and that their mission is legitimate. When in fact, it's all just a lie. And I think it takes a certain type of personality to be able to con people into thinking that this is all a legitimate thing. It's crazy. Like, I want to study it. It's genuinely – it's like the same thing as cults, cult leaders and the psychology behind cult leaders and everything. That will be a really good episode that we should cover.

1:20:04Oh, definitely. But let us know, you guys, what other fraudulent schemes have been your Roman Empire? Did you know much about Anna Delvey before this? Are you like a newbie like I am? Let us know in the comments. Any other, anything that I missed? Yeah, this was during like the heyday of Elizabeth Holmes, Billy McFarlane. We were at Caroline Calloway. It was like a scammer renaissance. Yes. Around 2018. So she was primed to get a ton of attention. It's disappointing, like I said, that she is still getting attention and fans and gigs. but I guess that's our world. That's the world we live in. So let us know, you guys, what are your thoughts on Anna Delvey?

1:20:52Did you watch the show? Did you read the book? Looking forward to hearing your thoughts. In the meantime, thank you guys so much for listening. Like we said, we had a Patreon episode drop yesterday if you're interested. And every Wednesday, we have Patreon episodes at patreon.com slash snarkbaitpod. And thank you to Jordan, our producer, Rachel, our social manager, Olivia, our researcher. You can find us at StarkBakePod on Instagram. I'm at SoF underscore Ross. Christy is at ChristyNoel underscore underscore. And yeah, I think that's about it. Thank you guys so much for listening. We will see you next time.

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