What’s the Snark on Dax Shepard?

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29:06Okay, let's get into Armchair Expert. Obviously, the biggest hit of his career, his podcast. So Armchair Expert was launched February 14th, 2018 with co-host Monica Padman, recorded in his Los Feliz attic. And Monica is a friend of theirs. And this idea evolved from Monica and Dax's habit of debating ideas on the back porch of Kristen at Dax's home. It focuses on in-depth conversations about guest's upbringings, challenges, and successes. Monica edits each episode. She books the guests. She does a lot of the behind-the-scenes work. And he has gotten backlash before for being kind of patronizing and interrupting her, even though she, again, does all the fucking grunt work of the podcast.

29:51I feel like there's like a little bit of misogyny in there, if I had to guess, by the way, that he treats both Monica, from what I've read, and also his wife. Featured guests on the show have included a bunch of nobodies like Barack Obama, Bill Gates, Ashton Kutcher, Will Ferrell, Julia Louise Dreyfuss, hundreds of others. Armchair Expert became the most downloaded new podcast of 2018 on iTunes. By 2020, Forbes ranked it the number four highest earning podcast in America at roughly $9 million annual revenue with 20 million monthly listeners. And that was in 2020. So you can only imagine how much more money they're making now.

30:26In May 2021, he signed an exclusive Spotify deal. And in July 2024, he announced an$80 million deal with Wondery and Amazon, including back catalog rights, video episodes, inclusive merge, first look on future shows, etc. So let's talk about some of the armchair expert controversies. In 2019, Brett Weinstein was a guest on the show, and he was a quote unquote expert. This was before he became one of the most prominent purveyors of ivermectin disinformation and was demonetized by YouTube in 2021. So this is before he was spreading COVID misinformation, but the episode was never pulled or disclaimed or it was just left up and people took issue with that.

31:08And then there was the hashtag measletov tweet in June 2019. He tweeted, this is Dax. I would have a hard time keeping my opinion to myself if someone was telling me they're eight month old, do not need a car seat. The same hard time I'm having currently with anti-vaxxer. Hashtag you're not a pediatrician. Hashtag measletov. And some online Jewish people called it anti-Semitic for kind of echoing the Jews spread disease trope. Because like, why measletov? Why is that the hashtag that you're using? It's completely irrelevant to what the point you're trying to prove. Exactly. Like Jewish publications said that, you know, this hashtag made them deeply uncomfortable.

31:44Because that is a longstanding anti-Semitic trope. Sure, yeah. Um, so in 2021, there was a Prince Harry episode and he had Prince Harry on the pod. Big deal. Prince Harry called the First Amendment bonkers and slammed Joe Rogan and Dax Shepard famously defended Joe Rogan. And a lot of people also took issue with that. And I think that like, if you are a podcaster, you are always going to like, you're obviously going to have not to defend him at all but you're obviously going to have moments where you have opinions that not everyone agrees with um i think in this case it is not surprising at all that he defends joe rogan like i feel like him and joe rogan have a lot in common oh they're they're old friends i feel like yeah and also i feel like i'm not defending him i'm just saying that sometimes it is refreshing just in general to have an interviewer go against the interviewee i'm just thinking of Alex Cooper, for instance.

32:39Alex Cooper? Exactly. Mm-hmm. I mean, I'm not saying I agree with... Yeah, defending Joe Rogan. You guys, we did a whole episode on Joe Rogan. He's the worst. Right. But yeah, I get what you're saying, that like Alex Cooper is just like, yeah, oh my God, upset. Yes. So at least you like to see some kind of like... Pushback. Rhetoric and pushback, yeah, about the conversation. But yeah, I mean, does this surprise me? Zero percent. Yeah, and like the fact that his listeners like there were people that were surprised and angry at that is is surprising to me sure because i feel like that's very like that seems on brand for him um and then there's the famous mila kunis and ashton kutcher bath time episode in 2021 um they don't have good hygiene habits it turns out none of them do so ashton kutcher said i wash my armpits my crotch daily nothing else ever mila said i wash pits and tits and holes and soles so nothing else um dax agreed and revealed they hadn't washed their daughters in years, basically saying they waited for them to smell dirty before washing them, which is disgusting and also negligent parenting, in my opinion.

33:49Kristen Bell also told The View later that year, I'm a big fan of waiting for the stink. Once you catch a whiff, that's biology's way of letting you know you need to clean it up. No. How about you don't wait until you smell to bathe? Like that? Yeah. It just doesn't really seem sensical, but also what is their defense? Sensical. Sensical. Yeah. Like, is it sensible? Yeah. Like, it doesn't, what is her argument? Is it because, because you know, some holistic people are like, you know, the body produces natural oils or whatever. Like, I'm not really in that space. Natural pheromones. Like Shailene Woodley, who like makes her own soap.

34:24Yeah. What is their defense for this? Because it just seems like they're just saying, oh, we just don't wash our kids until they stink. But why? Can they offer some reasoning behind that? I'm sure they would say, well, like, you just like, Like, you know, it's not necessary. And like, you don't want to like, like a lot of people are like, oh, you shouldn't strip your natural oils, you know? Like, I don't personally agree with that. I understand, you know, if someone is like, you know what? Like, I, if I'm not working out that day, if I don't get sweaty that day, I don't need to shower every day.

34:53You know, like maybe every other day I shower on my workout days. That is not me personally. I'm a shower a day, girly, whether or not I get sweaty or not. Oh, absolutely. I get it. I also think it's because I live in New York, so I always feel, like, dirty when I get home. Like, I feel grimy, so I always get in the shower before I get into bed. That's just me. But there are some people that, like, are like, you know what? Every other day. Good for them, not for me, though. I completely am with you. I need to shower daily. Otherwise, I can't go to bed happy. I don't wait until the stink. Like, before you even stink, don't you feel gross?

35:27Like, you feel gross. Yeah. Yeah. Psychologically, too. I'm like, ugh. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I feel like greasy. I feel gross. And also like their daughters. Like, I feel like that's just think about kids playing around like they play in the playgrounds and they're in the dirt. Like they don't need to stink to need a bath. Right. Anyway, it's basic hygiene. Just period. Basic. Yeah. Basic hygiene. Exactly. So one of the biggest controversies with Armchair Expert was the Jonathan Van Ness episode. So JVN is non-binary, and there are so many stories about JVN, you know, from people that have worked on Queer Eye, so that's a whole other thing.

36:07I feel like JVN has been on my list to do an episode about for so long, but fully on JVN's side in all of this, obviously. So while having JVN on the podcast, Dax pivoted into a 20-minute trans rights debate saying, Some people are very uncomfortable about teenagers transitioning. How do we know that the person's not going to change their mind? Will I elevate her rights over women? We're pretending that women aren't the ultimate marginalized class throughout history. JVN was saying, I feel like I'm talking to my dad. I could just cry because I'm so tired of having to fight for little kids because they just want to be included.

36:42I have to tell you, I'm very tired. And a lot of publications slammed this interview. HuffPost, BuzzFeed, GLAAD, and The Daily Beast, which asked, has the day finally come where we all collectively agree that Dax Shepard is a freaking moronic asshole? JVN later told Kiki Palmer on her podcast that significant pieces of the conversation had been edited out without their approval and that they almost got up and left twice. Oh, no, that's really sad. You don't feel safe in an environment where you're just wanting to have an open conversation about you. And it's like, it gets to the point where it's like, why are people even going on this podcast?

37:13Like there is like, like you said, like there's something to be said about a podcast host that interviews celebrities and pushes back on them because it's like the antithesis of Alex Hooper, for instance. But when you're like insulting them and arguing about their rights as a human being, that like crosses the line, obviously. This pushback is not what I was referring to either. Like, this pushback is inappropriate and emotional abuse, period. Yeah. Exactly. You're making this person feel unsafe. Sure. As a guest. Yes. Cynthia Erivo in 2024 was another example. Dax pressed her on whether her long nails interfered with her wiping after using the toilet.

37:52She said, I'm annoyed by it. Come on, guys. Like, again, why are people going on this podcast? Cher in 2025 repeatedly told Dax to his face on his own podcast. You're lucky. Kristen is definitely the better half. You must have something that I don't see. Kristen defended him saying he's a slow burn. He's almost too good for me. I love Cher for saying that. Then there was the Brad Pitt episode in 2025, and he publicly recounted nearly fist fighting Eric Dane outside of an AA meeting before they bonded, breaking the AA Alcoholics Anonymous anonymity. That could have been edited out. You should know as an addict that Alcoholics anonymous is anonymous, should be anonymous.

38:33And apparently Dax and Brad Pitt have bonded over doing AA, but they're both, what's the word? They're both consenting to that information on their own terms. You can't like out someone, obviously, for being an AA, like they outed Eric Dane. Actually, it's interesting that you're bringing this up because obviously, unfortunately, Eric Dane passed from ALS. Yeah. RIP. I know. And Dax Shepard was on stage. It wasn't in an armchair expert setting. I just watched this interview on my phone somewhere. And he was recounting how close him and Eric Dane had become. And he talked about this exact story.

39:10And he said, Eric Dane is no longer with us, but I guess I can tell this story now. When we first met, we both absolutely hated each other. We both grew up without father figures. We were almost too similar. And we triggered one another. And there was a point in time where we We were both at a meeting and we got into a fistfight and people had to break it up. But after they had realized that they had more in common than they realized and they became very close up until the day that Eric Dane died. And Dax was recounting this memory as something that he cherished because he's like Eric Dane and I were like brothers almost.

39:41But it wasn't always like that. But I think, I don't know, it's still tough because I didn't know Eric Dane was an addict or struggled with it. And I think Dax was trying to recount a very sweet story in his friendship with Eric, but also kind of unleashing a lot of Eric Jane's traumas as well. So it's kind of a catch-22. Like, I don't think he meant harm by it, but it also was like— It's just like not your place. Yeah. Does his family appreciate that you're, you know, telling all this stuff about him? Yeah, it's not your place. Right. You disclose that information. It's also when you say, like, that he said, oh, you're just so similar.

40:12It makes me laugh because Dax definitely thinks that he is just as hot as Eric Jane was. Like, Dax Shepard thinks that he is so hot, which is why he's always, like I said, casting himself, being shirtless, being the star of all of his, like, movies that he directed. Eric Dane. He looks at Eric Dane. He's like, yeah, we're, like, the same hot. Eric Dane was so handsome. It was, like, disgusting how handsome he was. Oh, my God. I didn't watch Grey's, but, like, McSteamy for a reason. Yes. Like, that is a good-looking. Beautiful man. Gorgeous. Beautiful man. Beautiful man. Beautiful man. Yes. Beautiful man.

40:49And also extremely talented. And we miss him all the time. Every week when I watch Euphoria, it's tough. But anyway, so in 2026, earlier this year, Dax interviewed Marcello Hernandez from SNL and was pushing Marcello, who is in a relationship. I think it's Marcello. Marcello Hernandez. Sorry. You guys, I don't watch SNL. No, but I think. Everyone's going to yell at me. No, but I think I said sensical. It's fine. Sensical? You guys, my vocabulary is not that vast and wide. But I think in some cultures, it could be Marcello. Like when you say pharmacy, pharmachia. Yeah. Well, Marcello. Okay, so Marcello apparently was pushing Marcello, who was in a relationship and has spoken about being in a relationship with a normie.

41:40Like she is not a celebrity. She is not, you know. And this also was something that came up during like the rumors about him and Paige DeSorbo. He's like, I have a girlfriend who I love deeply. And you guys, I don't appreciate this. But Dax was like, you need to date Sabrina Carpenter. Like, you really need to get with like, you really need to date her and get together with her and blah, blah, blah. And Marcelo's like, I have a girlfriend. Like, what? Like, it's just like creepy and weird. Again, irrelevant. Yeah, it's so stupid. It's like, do you have a crush on Sabrina Carpenter? or you're trying to like live out your fantasies through me?

42:14Like weird. So the overall sentiment is that Dax likes to play devil's advocate with marginalized guests. Correct. He mansplains. He interrupts women. He's patronizing to women. He doesn't really like interview. Like I noticed this again. I only listened to one episode. What are your thoughts on like his interview style? Because I know that it was with Kristen Bell, Justine Loop. So it's like his wife and like his really good friend. So it felt like more of just like a loose conversation. It didn't feel like an interview. Yeah. So again, it's been years since I've listened to it, but I recall it being more of a conversation.

42:46It wasn't an interview. So sorry, I hate to bring up Alex Cooper, but it's just top of mind right now. Question, answer, question, answer. For him, it was just it felt like it flowed like you were having dinner or you were having drinks. Like it didn't feel like a formal interview. So some people prefer that type of podcast. Others don't. That's what, excuse me, that's what Jake Shaino said. He's like, I'm not a journalist. I don't interview. I have a conversation. Oh, God, but I would rather listen to Dax over Jake. I've listened to Jake's podcast for this podcast research purposes. I would 100 % rather listen to Dax Shepard interviewing or conversing.

43:19But yeah, some people like that style of interview that feels just more like a conversation. He also kind of like steamrolls his guests and makes conversations about himself. Like a lot of things get turned around to himself. He has a lot of locker room humor, clearly. Basically a classic straight white guy with podcasts. You know, the comments that we've gotten on like TikTok, that's like tariffs on podcast equipment, like tariffs on podcast equipment for straight white men. Yeah. I love those TikToks where they're spoofing like every white man with a podcast. Hey, guys, it's me, John, back at it with my two bros.

43:54And it's like so many white guys have podcasts and they're all sitting in a little circle and they do say and do nothing. Yeah. And it's like women should be in the kitchen. Like, come on. It's like literally what it is. No, it is. It is. Like, that's the crazy thing. That's not hyperbole. Yeah, it's not exaggeration. Yeah. Yeah. So let's talk about Dax's sobriety. He has been sober since, with a few relapses that we will talk about, but he has been sober by all accounts since September 2004 when he was 29 and he joined Alcoholics Anonymous. And this was right before his career really took off.

44:29That same year, he was on Conan O 'Brien and he was actually banned from the show. uh he ended up blacking out sleeping through his prep was woken up by hotel security 20 minutes before the show um he woke up next to a stranger he was covered in urine um he went straight to the studio for his taping with conan and he completely slurred and ad-libbed his way through the segment god uh the audience laughed but conan o 'brien was irate they ended up he ended up having Conan on Armchair Expert and they recounted this. So he was banned for several years. And he even talked about the same year in 2004, smoking crystal meth.

45:08That's actually really sad. It was like a dark period. I actually watched this interview and I could tell that he was slurring his words and drunk, but I didn't think it was that terrible. But obviously, if you're Conan O 'Brien, you're trying to produce a show and make something watchable. I'm sure that was very difficult to deal with. So he ended up getting sober later that year. In 2012, he got into a motorcycle accident. He was prescribed painkillers and relapsed. He later revealed that there were spurts during his period of sobriety where he did take pills for injuries, etc., but he still branded himself as a sober person.

45:43So he was kind of cheating a little bit, which he later admitted to. He stole pills from his dying father in 2012 because his father had cancer and was prescribed Percocet. And this relapse was a secret until later. His sponsor told him not to reset his sobriety clock. So yeah, this was kind of just a secret. Until 2020, he got in another accident. And I think this was an ATV accident. He broke four ribs, snapped his clavicle in three places, and required a surgical metal plate to be put in. And his pills were prescribed him, Vicodin, Percocet, Oxycontin, obviously not great for an addict. But once the prescription ran out, he started buying them illicitly.

46:28He was actually high during his own 16-year sobriety celebration, calling it the worst hour of his life. Yeah, this was the podcast episode I listened to. It's really sad. It was an ATV accident, right? Oh, God, I don't... He was on... Oh, no, it was another motorcycle. Oh, my God. Okay, it was a motorcycle. Sorry. That's so sad. And I feel like That is so common for addicts that are in recovery. When they get into an accident, you're in so much pain. So you want to relieve yourself of that pain. And the only thing that's available to you in hospitals is these intense drugs that bring you right back to what you've been trying to escape for so long.

47:04I genuinely just feel super badly for him. And he was super honest about how he was tricking everyone. And he was showing up late. He was slurring his words. And Monica knew something was wrong. and Chris and Monica had to intervene and was like, something is seriously up with you and you cannot hide this anymore. We know you're using. Like, stop fucking around with us. Be honest. And yeah, he was trying to hide it. Yeah. But on September 25th, 2020, on his podcast, he released an episode called Day 7 and he had Monica interview him about what just happened. And the title refers to him being on his seventh day of renewed sobriety.

47:37And he was very emotional and vulnerable throughout. And you said you listened to this episode. Yes, yes. And it was just like so honest. and you just felt really felt for him. Like there was a lot of empathy I felt for him because it was clearly struggling and he didn't know. Like it's scary for you to be in recovery for so long and then one thing will set you back and it can completely derail your life. Totally. And the stakes are so much higher. He has a family now. So it's like it changes things. Yeah. I now understand. So when we were, we have like a live show segment that we're doing, we've talked about this before, called Things We Can't Say on the Pod for Legal Reasons or like controversial opinions, hot takes.

48:09And Christy's first one that she said was, I actually think Dax Shepard is really brave. And I was like, what are you talking about? But now I understand what you're talking about. This episode was widely praised as being, you know, very brave and honest. And it definitely was. In 2021, he had another injury on an e-bike this time. He ended up damaging the surgical hardware in his shoulder. And Kristen ended up taking over managing his meds so he would not abuse them. He needs to stop riding things, first of all. A hundred percent. Motorcycles, e-bikes, stop. Like, just stop riding games. And he continued with AA.

48:44And like I said, Brad Pitt said that they are in the same group. He was an armchair expert. And he said that Dax is kind of like an elder statesman of AA. September 4th, 2025 marked his 21-year total slash five-year post-relapse sobriety milestone. So congrats to him. That's an amazing accomplishment. Go further with the American Express Business Gold Card. earn three times membership rewards points on flights and prepaid hotels when you book through amextravel.com whether your destination is a business conference or a client meeting your purchases will help you earn more points for future trips experience more on your travels with amex business gold terms apply learn more at americanexpress.com slash business dash gold amex business gold card built for business by american express Good sleep is everything.

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51:04So great to know they're on good terms. That's pretty cute. he briefly dated Kate Hudson in 2007 for around three months. And it kind of started out as a joke. Kate said, while we were there, we said, wouldn't it be no Dax said that's wouldn't it be funny if we came out holding hands and I was your new boyfriend? Dax said during this episode, we were just pals. And then we added, wouldn't it be great if her new boyfriend didn't wear a shirt at Nobu? So their plan worked. And that night, Kate and a shirtless Dax were photographed as the media started to speculate. And this like joke made Kate want to have sex with him, according to her on the podcast.

51:40And so then they became a real couple. And what's interesting is that Dax described during this interview as feeling less than about her career success. I mean, Kate Huntson is the girl. Yeah. Back in the 2000s. Yeah, she was the girl. Exactly. He says, I think I was just in the point where I was not going to get hired for movies anymore. I had a bunch that didn't work. And I'm like, I don't fucking know what's next. And you were at that time making the most you ever made and having the most opportunity. And great of him to admit this. I also think this is how he feels about his wife a little bit, too, because she is so successful in the television industry.

52:16His podcast is obviously successful, but like we said, like, I don't think he sought out to be a podcaster. He sought out to be an actor. And yeah, his calling has shifted. And I actually think I did listen to the Kate Hudson episode and I remember her describing Dax as like you wouldn't see it because i don't think he's objectively like as handsome as say brad pitt or ashton kutcher or whatever but she said that he had this from what i recall like a big dick energy like it was like his presence he's like a boisterous loud yeah tall man and he kind of didn't give a fuck and he was walking out of nobu shirt looks like she liked that funniness to him and that he didn't take life too seriously so she did gravitate towards him and she did admit that.

52:57I could see that. Yeah. He was also linked to Tara Lipinski around this time, Mike Queen, from the Traders and the Olympics. Then Julie Andrews' granddaughter, Katie Edwards, sold the Daily Mail a story in 2018, alleging that she hooked up with Dax in 2009, two years into his Kristen Bell relationship. He denied this. So who knows if there's any truth to it. But let's talk about Kristen Bell, his longtime partner. They met at a producer's dinner party in 2007. Kristen didn't recognize him at first. She was like, is that one of the guys from Jackass or something? Which is hilarious. Jackass also underrated, by the way.

53:35Like that show ran so David Dobrik could walk. Oh no, walk so David Dobrik could run. I actually just saw a TikTok that's like, you are growing up on like Jake Paul and David Dobrik pranks. We grew up on Jackass. We are not the same. Right. And I was like, that's true. That's perfect. And I started looking up where to stream Jackass. And that's another one where I think you have to rent. You have to purchase. We're going to do a Punk'd and Jackass marathon. Punk'd and Jackass. Yeah. I remember seeing Jackass the movie. Oh, my God. I forgot they used to come out with movies, too. Yeah. Wow. Yep.

54:06Good times, guys. Film and television ain't what it used to be. I'll say that much. It ain't what it used to be. They don't make stuff like that anymore. No. Remember Hey Arnold? That was also way ahead of its time. A cartoon that was so diverse. Hey, that's so random. We'll talk about Punk'd and Jackass, and you're like, and Hey Arnold. I loved Hey Arnold, though. Loved it. Loved Hey Arnold. And, like, I look back at the topics and themes they would discuss on the show. Very diverse. I talked about the immigrant experience, being a person of color. Like, that show was so... Ahead of its time.

54:35Love it. Love it. We've got to do Hey Arnold. Kidding. Hey Arnold, deep dive. Yeah. So, where was I? Kristen Bell. Yeah, yeah. So, Dax said initially she seemed like almost too good of a person for him to consider having a walk. term relationship with. They ended up reconnecting later that year and had their first date in October 2007. He broke up with her after three months to date other women, then came back four days later. Of course. And couples therapy started six months into their relationship. And I think that couples therapy is an amazing thing, no matter how long you've been together.

55:11Dare I say that six months is like a little quick to need couples therapy or to want couples therapy because Because that's like still your honeymoon phase. No, completely. Right? Is that problematic to say? No, no, no. I am in favor of couples therapy. No, I think it's a great thing to engage in with your partner. But six months in is a little bit odd. It's odd. Yeah. Yeah. We're not judging. It's just odd. Yeah, it's different. Yeah. It's different. They got engaged in late 2009, and they refused to marry until same-sex marriage was legal. When the Defense of Marriage Act fell in 2013, Kristen tweeted Dax a proposal.

55:45And they got a little bit of, while it was nice that they are allies, obviously they got a little bit of backlash for making this day in history about themselves. They ultimately married at the L.A. County Beverly Hills Courthouse on October 17, 2013. Cost$142. And they had their daughters, Lincoln Bell Shepard, March 28, 2013, and Delta Bell Shepard, December 19, 2014. So they named their daughters Lincoln and Delta. Delta's interesting. Lincoln, I can get behind. Delta's a little strange, but okay. Celebrities just love doing things differently, you know? Yeah, those are just very unique names for little girls, but sure.

56:23They often talk about how tough monogamy is, which again, a lot of people say is refreshing to hear. Kristen has said monogamy is tough because you're still attracted to other people. She has also said that Dax's attraction to other people, she doesn't let it get to her. He can tell me someone he finds attractive, but it doesn't make me feel like he's going to leave me for that person because I'm not allowing my self-esteem to be affected. Again, this is like the everything I know about these people is against my will because they've talked about how she had a clogged milk duck when she was breastfeeding and Dax had to extract the mastitis to unclog it and said, we'll leave everyone's imagination to wander.

57:04And so, yeah, that, you know, I guess some people might appreciate their candor in sharing this. Other people are like, why do we need to picture that? Like, why do we need to know that? That's really graphic and something we didn't need to hear. Yeah. So that's my personal opinion. I don't think that's necessary, but I'm sure there are some people that are like, you know what? I appreciate the destigmatization. I'm sorry, my brain is not like firing on all cylinders today. Words are hard today. It's okay. It's really, it's really hard today. Okay, so this was a big controversy. If you remember this, just last year, Kristen posted, happy 12th wedding anniversary to the man who, after an episode of Dateline once said to me, I would never kill you.

57:52A lot of men have killed their wives at a certain point. Even though I'm heavily incentivized to kill you, I never would, in a heart emoji. Even though I'm heavily incentivized to kill you, I just got chills. That's not... It's like trying too hard. It's like very like millennial core trying to be funny and not landing. It's kind of like it reminds me of Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively and how they talk about each other on social media. It's like it's not funny. Like you're trying too hard. It was also posted during Domestic Violence Awareness Month and the National Network to End Domestic Violence formally condemned it.

58:22The director of Family Violence Litigation Clinic at Albany Law School explained to the Daily Mail that such comments normalize abuse and silence survivors. And Kristen Bell ended up limiting comments on Instagram and she ended up skipping a Today Show appearance. And yeah, like it just was kind of like their biggest PR nightmare at the time. Yeah. And understandably so. Like what is even the point of like, again, like you're trying too hard to be funny. You're being like a corny millennial. Yes. But it's not funny. It's actually offensive and it's tone deaf and it's just like, why? Wait, perfectly said.

58:57Yeah. It's just too, it's trying too hard to be funny and it's not landing at all. Yeah. And then during this time of 2012 hit and run press drug eclipse surfaced in which Dax deadpanned and then I hit her several times and Kristen laughed and then I got beat up and guess what I never opened my mouth again clearly joking around but again like very toned up being so flippant about domestic violence just like not a good look um Nikki Glaser's golden globes joke which I thought was actually funny it ended up getting cut she said die my love if I had legs I'd kick you sorry baby These are not just Dax Shepard captions for his anniversary post.

59:31These are movies nominated tonight. Wait, that's actually so funny. I know. I love her. That's hilarious. Yeah. So Dax did not address this controversy. And again, this is someone who was very open and candid on his podcast, but he didn't address this for nearly six months. Eventually, he did in April 2026. And he said that Kristen had not told him about the backlash. He had no idea that this was happening. Wow. So he doesn't like read about himself online then because it says everywhere. I guess not. Yeah, I guess not. He said, all these people are convinced I'm beating Kristen. Kristen, none of them are married people.

1:00:01My wife has total fucking autonomy and is a gangster. Don't insult my wife. So he kind of took offense to the fact that people thought that, like, Kristen does not have enough autonomy to stand up to him or to, I don't know, which also is offensive in its own way, where it's like, well, there are also women that are being abused by their husbands that cannot leave for many reasons. That doesn't mean they are less than. Right. So it just was kind of an annoying situation. It's like he continues to dig himself into a deeper and deeper hole. It's like that caption wasn't enough. And now that you're doubling down, not intentionally, but yeah, it's just stop putting your foot in your mouth, please.

1:00:36Other cringe moments. In July 2023, they posted from the Boston Logan Airport saying that they had been kicked out of the terminal, but continue to document themselves like with blankets and pillows trying to sleep there, even though they were being told to leave. And they said, well, all nearby hotels are booked. It's like, you guys are multimillionaires. I'm sure you can figure something out. And it was just like, the rules don't apply to you, apparently. So people got annoyed with them for that. They also told Seth Meyers that their daughters are allowed to swear, not with impunity, but when it's called for.

1:01:11In an episode with Reese Witherspoon in 2025, Dax defended raising his daughters to be disrespectful and entitled. And he said that Lincoln, his daughter, has ordered non-alcoholic beer at restaurants. What? Like, what? What? And then they also talked about letting a then 11-year-old Lincoln and a then 9-year-old Delta to roam around Copenhagen unsupervised for seven hours in 2024. What? Which is crazy. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's not funny. I'm just imagining 11-year-old Lincoln saying, it's like one non-alcoholic beer, please. Non-alcoholic. Like non-alcoholic. That is so not cool. It's funny.

1:01:51It's so weird. It's really not cool. Yeah, there's not alcohol in it, but also like, why are you trying to get your child daughter to like the taste of beer as a child? Like what? It's bizarre. Bizarre and hysterical at the same time. Like what? Just so strange. So many strange parenting choices. Again, people are like, well, I guess it's okay if you do these things and that's your prerogative. You raise your kids how you want to raise them. But why are you telling all this? It's very just oversharing. They are constantly oversharing. and just have this, especially on Instagram, like self-deprecating millennial humor.

1:02:29He uses hashtags like hashtag dad bees. He posted a picture of Kristen Bell naked doing yoga for Mother's Day in 2021, eventually reposted it in 2025 to celebrate her Nobody Wants This Emmy nomination. She's doing like downward dog wearing nothing but blue knee-high socks. And there's a little sensor bar over her tushy. So it's just like stuff like that. It's like, you're so weird. It's so millennial. I'm sorry. I'm not over the 11-year-old daughter ordering non-alcoholic beer at restaurants. I added to the booty for Biden from Tana Mongeau that I thought was so funny. You're like, what? I'm like, what's funny?

1:03:02I'm like, it's just so like booty for Biden. And I was like, stop. But like this non-alcoholic 11-year-old thing is I will never get over that. That's like hysterical, but also like weird and wrong. So as of recently, he has kind of like a new look. Have you noticed this with his face? Like, yeah, look different. And he has like addressed this. He's like, my neck, he was talking to Kumail Nanjiani, who has famously bulked up for some of his recent projects. And he said, you know, like, it's weird. Like, my neck has gotten thicker. I've gotten more muscular. And for some reason, people act like I've gotten a facelift.

1:03:35People think I got jaw implants. I have not. I've got no work done. All I did was I got Botox. And then they were like, while you're here, you want to do your forehead, too. And I did my forehead. So he's saying it was just Botox. Like, OK, Kendall Jenner. He was like, it was just baby Botox. Yeah. I'm looking at a photo of him and Kristen Bell, probably, I don't know, it looks like 10 years ago to today. It looks almost like, I want to say, buckle fat removal. His cheeks look a little bit more hollow. There's something, like, very different about his—I don't know if it was a jaw implants, facelift, but, like, there definitely was more than just Botox done.

1:04:08Okay, Kendall Jenner. If that's his prerogative. Okay, Kendall Jenner, like, why are you lying? Just don't even bring it up if you're going to lie. Just don't even. Right. But, again, I'm sure all of his listeners are like, no, he's telling, but, like, he's so honest. So that's his reputation. You know, he has fostered this relationship with his listeners that they love, that he is so honest and candid, almost to a fault. And I think that is probably a huge part of his success as a podcaster. Again, it may not be my cup of tea, but there's a reason that he is, you know, one of the biggest podcasts in the world.

1:04:41So yeah, that's the tea on Dak Shepard. What are your closing thoughts? Yeah, I didn't know about, honestly, 80 % of this. He definitely has done some crazy, problematic things and said crazy things. I genuinely am curious what their relationship is behind closed doors. We never know what happens in a marriage behind closed doors, but it's just they have so many odd moments publicly. I can't even imagine, like, how dysfunctional are they in private? And I'm curious kind of how this impacts their girls. Lincoln and Delta. Yeah, Lincoln and Delta. But I mean, I don't listen to Armchair Expert anymore.

1:05:19I will just like to keep Dex Shepard in a box. And that was his box in 2003 with Without a Paddle and Punk'd. And I think those are nostalgic parts of my upbringing. And I think his career, not peak, but when he was young and a little bit foolish and crazy. But this Dex Shepard today, I don't identify with. Like, I will identify with the one 20 years ago. And that's what I will choose to remember. I'm curious. Again, what you guys think, if we have any cherries slash baby Starks, very curious. Yeah. I know Dutchman, honestly. It sounds like he, again, like there's a reason that he has been this successful.

1:05:57People love his podcast. So yeah. And you know what? He has definitely, I can see now why you say that you think that he's brave. I think that a lot of his, you know, honesty and vulnerability with regards to his sobriety is, you know, very admirable. Yeah. Yeah. Does that excuse a lot of the weird things he said, especially his comments to JVN? No. Absolutely not. Like that is attack, emotional abuse. You're not making someone feel safe. That is inexcusable for sure. So we have to separate those two things, the bravery and making people feel not good. He does remind me a bit of Joe Rogan in a way.

1:06:37So, yeah, that's the tea, you guys. Thank you so much for listening. Thank you for being here. We will see hopefully some of you tomorrow at our live show. If you are in the LA area and want a Friday night activity and you haven't gotten your tickets yet, we have the link in our show notes. We also have a newsletter that goes out every single Friday if you want to hear some of our musings in written word form. And we also have bonus episodes, ad-free episodes on our Patreon. All of those links are in our show notes. So we'll see some of you tomorrow. I'm so excited. and yeah, anything else? No, thanks so much for listening and we'll see you tomorrow or on Tuesday for another episode of DET.

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