What’s the Snark on Greg Grippo?

25:32He never wanted to be like Katie's f1 he was there for the fame his face he looks fucking miserable and he has this like sad boy persona but like he actually looked miserable i don't think he was ever into katie i think he was there purely for the fame and the clout and meanwhile katie was falling in love with him she told the cameras um and he made it to hometowns the final three with justin glaze who is one of his like skit partners now and blake moines who ends up being katie's f1 even though they are no longer together. So they did Hometowns because this was like during COVID. It was early 2021.

26:11Hometowns were recreated at the resort where they filmed. And Greg did a little Jersey Shore boardwalk theme. Like, again, like I would probably fall for that. You're speaking my love language. Jersey Shore? Come on. So in individual conversations with family members, Greg said, it's going to be me and her. And they were talking about like the logistics of moving and life post-show. And even Katie confided to his mom that he was a frontrunner. It was very obvious that Greg was the frontrunner. It was like, Greg is going to win. Katie is not looking at anyone else the way that she's looking at Greg.

26:44And also, compared to the other two that were in the final three, I think he was the hottest. He was. I mean, Justin's cute. I don't think Blake is cute at all. Sorry, that's just my opinion. Justin's cute, but Greg, you could tell, was just the runaway favorite. From the beginning, he got the first impression route, and everything went well, seemingly, because he's an actor yeah i mean he's a trained actor literally so yeah literally so um then everything turned so after the date greg told katie that he loved her and katie had made a private vow at the start of the season not to say i love you to anyone until the very end so instead of saying it back she kind of spoke in code she said i love looking at you um like and this didn't land well with greg his face dropped uh he goes i just don't understand how you don't know at this point i really don't He also admitted to losing his shit.

27:33And he basically, he said that he was falling in love with her and was the happiest he's ever been. And then she didn't give him the exact answer he wanted, although she had given him plenty of reassurance throughout the season. Like, it was very obvious that he was the frontrunner. But then he started to gaslight her and make her question her experience of the conversation. He said things like, I don't give a fuck about the rose. I was just telling you that you filled a hole in my heart. And she was like, you've always been my number one from the very beginning. And then he walked out without saying goodbye.

28:04And she was sobbing on the floor, crying, confused. Variety wrote at the time, as she tried to navigate Greg's growing frustration and anger, she was increasingly emotional. She replayed the conversation that provoked the outburst and apologized for the reaction, but seemed confused by his disproportional response. Despite multiple attempts to get him to reconsider the relationship, Greg left in a huff, which caused Katie to have her own breakdown, locking herself in the bathroom, sobbing. Wait, this is crazy. So the entire time he's literally acting, pretending like he likes her, he makes this manipulative attempt to tell her that he loves her, clearly not meaning it.

28:38And then when she doesn't respond because she made a vow to herself to not say it to any of the men and not pull a Ben Higgins, he bursts out. You're right. That is actually insane. I need to watch a clip of this. I need to watch this. You do. This was textbook gaslighting to me. This is when I, and I throughout the season was like, yeah, Greg, oh my God. Like I liked him along with everyone else during the season. And then when I saw this, I was like, it's very obvious that this is, he's gaslighting her. There's nothing she could have said or done differently to change the outcome of what happened.

29:08Like you are not actually in love with someone if you leave them like that crying on the floor. He was going to do this all along. He was going to leave at some point, but he wanted to make it look like it was her fault so he couldn't get the good at it. of course. Like, oh, I'm just brokenhearted because I confess my love to her and how dare she not say it back and I'm going to get the sympathy. It's so manipulative. Yeah. And this is what I wrote in my sub stack, again, citing myself. He was making her question reality and doubt her own sanity. If he was genuinely in love and can see forever with her, which is what he said, why would that suddenly change so quickly?

29:41Why, if he genuinely truly loved her, would he leave her crying and begging on her knees for him to stay? Because as far as I'm concerned, He didn't. He was simply looking for an out. He was pretending, acting, if you will. Remember, he went to acting school, William Esper acting school, and it also tried out for two prior seasons of The Bachelorette. And for some reason, this became a very, very, very controversial situation where the internet was absolutely divided because there are people like me that are like, this is gaslighting. gaslighting. It's very obvious that he is trying to make her feel insane and also trying to make himself look good so he can get a good edit and become The Bachelor because that was his plan all along.

30:19He did not want to end up with Katie. Right. And everyone's like, oh my God, he's so sweet. He's so genuine. Like all of the Grippo girls. I'm sorry. Look at his Instagram at the time. Shirtless pictures. Like he's such a fuck boy. Selfies. Like it's so obvious. I'm sorry. A man that curates his Instagram like so is a red flag. Men should not care about their Instagram. No. Genuinely. Sorry if that's heteronormative, whatever. Men should stop caring so much. That's a girl space, okay? That's why male influencers, just in general, and this is, Greg falls into that category, dark energy. It is. Because why are you as a man in it, sir?

30:58Yes. This is a women-run space. Get out. Yeah, no, genuinely. And it just is, it's so clear that it's for clout and for more girls to slide into their DMs. It's just, it's really, really slimy to me. Yeah. There's like, unless, unless you're men doing, I think genuinely funny skits that aren't there. So you're not showing off your abs. Like if you're trying to be funny on Instagram, that's one thing. Like comedian. But even then. Oh my God, no, there's this one guy on TikTok. His name is Sean Shoot. I am obsessed with him. He always has TikToks of like point of view, like you're at the club and the guy tries to take you home or something.

31:35And I don't know. I really enjoy like him. But other than that, thirsty guys like this get away. I know. So the Internet was obviously exploding with hot takes during the saga. Like survivors of gaslighting and narcissistic abuse immediately recognized the signs that this was narcissistic abuse and gaslighting. While others, again, were insisting that Greg is like this genuine sweet angel because he has nieces. He has nieces. Okay. I'm trying to think of a guy on reality television that I would have fallen for similar to this. Like, oh, he comes from a good family. Therefore, he is good. Like, oh, he has nieces.

32:09Therefore, he has sisters. Therefore, he is good. Oh, he was raised by a single mother. Therefore, he is good. Well, Wes tried. Wes was like, oh, my God, his mom. Like, everyone was like, his mom's an OBGYN. Like, he's an ally. He's this liberal guy. It was all a fucking fart. Yeah. It was all to portray a certain image to the audience. It was all curated. Yes. So even a domestic violence shelter at the time, and again, the internet was super, super divided. This was like the most polarizing. I actually had to like quit the Bachelor subreddit at this time because it was so overrun with Grippo Girls defending him.

32:42So a domestic violence shelter even called him out, which I thought, hey, this is a domestic violence shelter. So Emma Gray, who I believe is like in the Bachelor world as a podcaster, tweeted kind of defending Love to See It, I think is her podcast. And here to make friends also. So she tweeted kind of defending Greg. As a lot of people are doing. I'm not trying to like call her out. But Safe Passage, which is a domestic violence shelter, quote tweeted her because she said, I feel really icky the way swaths of Bachelor Nation rush to pick sides and introduce who is bad and who is good. Sometimes people are just people.

33:17And it's like, no, it's very clear that he is bad. And this domestic violence shelter quote tweeted her and said, fair, but we are also allowed to point out when actions are objectively hurtful or unhealthy. There are too many young people out here watching shows like this to figure out what to expect in relationships. We need to talk about it. And then someone named Sarah quote tweeted this and said, when a DV shelter tells you that certain behavior is inappropriate and shouldn't be normalized, you should listen, which I think is absolutely correct. And so what's also interesting is that during this time and during this big Bachelor Nation debate, again, we were divided.

33:49This is when I was part of Bachelor Nation. I no longer have a membership card to that anymore. But at the time I was. And again, we were divided. Yeah. Skeletons began to pour out of the closet. Fuck yeah. I love when this shit happens on my reality TV screens. So, Demois, for instance. My best friend dated a fan favorite contestant in The Bachelor very seriously for a year and a half, and he was awful to her. The sweet, shy boy act is exactly that, an act. He really is actually an actor. I've witnessed him throw a fit and call her a terrible name for wearing a mini dress, so I can only imagine what happened behind closed doors.

34:22Blah, blah, blah. Another Demois submission said, ABC stopped casting clout chasers. Greg Grippo is a manipulative liar and actor on Katie's season of The Bachelorette. He cleaned up his social media slash LinkedIn and removed all evidence of his aspiring acting career over the past few years. That also was what was shady. He, not only did they say he was in sales and marketing, you know, in his little shyron on The Bachelorette, but he deleted all evidence that he went to an acting school. So it was like a conscious thing to do to make sure I got away the entire internet of my desire to be famous.

34:54Yes, exactly. This submission says,

35:24and just completely ignore her, et cetera, et cetera. Comments on TikTok. In college, he dated both my friends at the same time and completely played them. He's a toxic snake. Friend of mine went to college with him and said he cheated on his previous girlfriend a lot. I know Greg's ex infirmed he was incredibly manipulative, gaslighty, and verbally abusive, but the charm and sad boy act is super compelling, so that's what creates the vicious toxic cycle. More TikTok comments. And again, it's like, the Grippo girls are like, anyone could write this. And it's like, what's more likely? That there is some, like, smear campaign against this random bachelorette contestant or that this guy is actually bad right and i was going to see him be bad correct and i was going to say that it's one thing yeah people can write anything on the internet and one maybe one account two accounts this is so many people coming out of the woodwork across different platforms i i don't know it's and it's like coming from real accounts these tiktok people they're not like user 57825 yeah they're real people Yeah.

36:20Yeah. This person goes, and she has her real face and name on her TikTok account. She goes, as someone who used to date Greg, he is an actor. Other people on TikTok, he's acting. My friend's sister knows him and he was emotionally abusive to his last girlfriend. He's an actor, a great actor, as it turns out. He dated one of my best friends and was an awful, emotionally abusive boyfriend. It's so difficult to watch this act continue and everyone buy it. So again, just so many anecdotes of people knowing that he was abusive. I was going to say, I was on my phone because I was trying to figure out what podcast interview I came across a couple months ago, and it was not Victoria Fuller.

36:53It was someone else, perhaps in Bachelor Nation, maybe in the reality TV sphere, and everything that you're reading, and I'm sorry, I can't pull it up, and I don't remember who this woman was, but basically everything you're writing about emotionally abusive, it was all roses, butterflies, rainbows, until they actually became official, and she said, quote, he was emotionally and verbally abusive to me. Yeah, we're going to talk about the stages of narcissistic abuse in just a second, but there is like the love bobbing aspect to it where they draw them in. And there were thankfully a few sane people on the Bachelor subreddit.

37:27They were downvoted to hell. If you talk shit about Greg Grippo, you were down. It was like a Swifty level fandom at the time. Really scary. And it was disturbing because it was like, this is this abusive guy who multiple women are coming out and saying was abusive. And you're just going to fucking like support this guy. Yeah. And pick me, choose me, love me on The Bachelor subreddit said, I find it interesting how all these stories have come out about Greg. Women have put their actual faces to these stories and people still don't believe them. When the girl came forward with her story about Easy, and that was another Bachelorette contestant that was accused of abuse, and put her name to it, did we question if she was genuine?

38:03No, we didn't. Why is this not the same? Because Easy did something worse? Because Greg is the cute white boy? Women who Greg himself follows put their faces to these stories. Why are we doubting them? Yeah. And I think that, do you recall what EZ's story was or what the - I want to say that it was like physical. I actually don't remember, but it was not good. Yeah. And I was going to say, it's harder sometimes when women come out to say, oh, I was verbally abused. I was emotionally abused because there's not physical scars to show people. This is the pain that I've endured. With physical abuse, it's people are more, I think, lenient on, or excuse me, sorry.

38:40He was accused of sexual assault. Yeah. So I just feel like sometimes with emotional abuse, people are less likely to really hear these victims because, well, where are the scars to prove it? Or when you don't say physical or sexual abuse and all abuse is abuse, period. But it's harder for these women because it's like, I can't prove it to you. I don't have photos of the abuse. He didn't punch me in the eye or whatever it is. But they're like less likely to be believed. It just it sucks because these women are coming out with real stories and like you said, real faces. And then that's even more frustrating for people to not want to believe them.

39:12It's like, I'm coming out here, like, so vulnerable. And you're just saying my experience is not my experience. Yeah. It's really hard. It's really awful. And it's women themselves in the Bachelor fandom that are not believing these other women. Right. A friend close to Greg spoke to the son at the time, claiming Greg is a schemer who leaves girls either heartbroken and questioning themselves or both. The source went on to say Greg has been told how wonderful and good looking he is all his life and has no problem using it to his advantage. He gets away with bad behavior, the source said. According to the same source, people who know Greg back home are equally shocked and appalled at how different he's coming off on the show.

39:48And I hold on. Let me decide where I want to jump to next. Basically, the day after the episode aired, Katie posted us. So you want to talk about gaslighting graphic to Instagram? and people are like, oh my God, how dare Katie accuse him of gaslighting? And I'm like, well, she has every right to accuse him of gaslighting because that's what he was doing. And on after the final rose, she, you know, spoke to him and said, I validated you constantly. You got two one-on-one dates. No one else did. You got the first impression, Rose. And then she famously accused him of using the show for exposure.

40:22Wow, I'm glad she called him out on it. Yeah. That's great. She goes, the way you used me to get the experience, the exposure, dare I say, the acting practice at my expense. It was pretty good until the end when you kind of fucked it up and ran away. And Greg clapped back famously and said, listen, I hate to break it to you. As much as I wish I was, I'm no Meryl Streep. Yeah. And well, that's a really great response on his part. I mean, it's really convenient for him to have to just respond directly to the acting allegations, but not being able to take accountable for his actual emotionally manipulative behavior.

40:51That's such an easy response. It's an easy cop out. Yeah. No one's saying that you are Meryl Streep. No one's saying that you're the actor of a generation. What we're saying is you were using your acting techniques and whatever you learned to apply to the show to get more exposure. Yeah. And it's funny because there has been Greg discourse recently, as recently as two months ago on the Bachelor subreddit. And by the way, I have PTSD from the Grippo Girls era on the Bachelor subreddit. I literally, like I said, had to leave the subreddit. But it seems like people are turning because one of his most recent girlfriends went on the, what's Caitlin Bristow's podcast called?

41:22Off the Vine, went on the Off the Vine podcast and shared her experience. Sorry, that's what I was referring to. What's her name? Sophia Beverly. Yeah, it was the Off the Vine podcast where I saw the clip where she was like, he was emotionally abusive to me. Yeah, exactly. And so people were talking about Greg again. And AbsoFruitly88 on Reddit said, I'm glad that other people are talking about the Katie moment. It was so freaking over the top. He was heartless towards her. No, he wasn't Meryl Streep because that was all him in his psycho glory. Like it literally that was all him in his cycle of glory.

41:54It's like perfectly put. Yeah, it wasn't acting, sweetheart. That was his real life. That's exactly how he operates. You're no angel either, sweetheart. Yeah. And Katie clarified to Caitlin Bristow, speaking of Caitlin Bristow, that after she heard he went to acting school, she felt like he was performing for her. Really colored the way that she viewed her experience with him. And he has always maintained he was never a working actor. He said, I've never been on an audition in my life. and that acting class was just something you did to climb out of a depressing job. Please. I'm sorry. Everyone, all of us in America who work for corporate America, we can be a complete, like, yeah, it's depressing sometimes.

42:29Never once in my life have I said, you know, I want to climb out of my depressing job. Maybe I should take an acting class. That would really get me out of my funk. You don't go to acting class unless you're interested in becoming an actor. Unless you want to be an actor. What are you talking about? It's one thing to be like, oh, I want to take a ceramic class or I want to take a pot. You know what I mean? Acting class is so specific. No one does that just to get out of a depressing job. Yep. Sorry. I know. Exactly. And so then he went on the bio files the day after the final rose. Of course he did.

42:56And he said he came off angry like a child who was very immature. He said he was ashamed of how he acted. I rejected a lot onto Katie. It was my own fears, my own insecurities, my own sadness. And tied it to his unprocessed grief over his father. He admitted the relationship wasn't the healthiest because he was depending on her for happiness, and that wasn't fair to her. And it seemed like he was saying exactly, like he knew what people were saying about him online. And he was saying exactly what he thought they wanted to hear. And his answers were almost like too perfect. He didn't break. Exactly.

43:25It's like so Wes Wilson coded. Yeah, I was going to say, oh, so you're gaslighting, Katie, is a result of your unprocessed grief. There are plenty of people that go through traumatic events and that go through the death of a parent that aren't gaslighting and manipulative. Yeah, exactly. Shut up. So after his exit slash season, I was tweeting about how much of a gaslighter he was. Again, I was one of those people who saw right through him. Okay. Just saying. I'm rarely, rarely wrong. And I've never, let's actually rephrase that. I'm never wrong. I'm just late. Or I'm just early, I mean. I'm just early.

43:58Yeah. I couldn't even use the phrase right. I think that's the phrase. I'm never wrong just early. Okay. Yeah. I was early with Greg Grupo. I was early with Wes Wilson. I can see right through these fucking men. Yeah. The TikTok I came across, actually, a user tagged me in it. And it was like, I hate being early to judging people because you're always like the mean person that's like so judgmental and mean. But then everyone comes around. It's like that's literally you with Wes Wilson and Greg Griffo. No, literally. Literally. Like no one believed me. No one believed me. Including me about Wes Wilson.

44:31Remember when I said I would queen out with Wes? I know. And that's why when I say that I have really, really, really good gut instincts about people and I can read people really well, I mean it. Like, I rarely fall for a bullshitter. Yeah. I can spot a bullshitter from a mile away. And that's just what I don't have many skills in life. I'm not good at much. I'm good at that. Okay? I don't have many skills in life. I don't. So I can brag about that because it's like, what else do I have? Just let me have this. No, and honestly, you have the receipts to prove it. I'm looking at these timestamps of your sub stack and your Twitter.

45:03You were there from the very beginning in 2021. Yeah, 2021. Five years ago. It was five years ago. It's crazy. So his, when I was tweeting about this and posting about this, I was like, guys, I feel insane. Like, why are people defending? People were defending him. I just could not believe it. And I was so pissed off at the way that we were witnessing gaslighting and narcissistic abuse on our TVs. And there were so many women defending him. And I was just fucking pissed. So I was like tweeting about it, posting about it. And eventually his ex-girlfriend reached out to me, and she is someone that I've stayed in contact with for the past five years.

45:37So I spoke to her before this recording. I spoke to her earlier this week and wanted to get some of her quotes and feelings about Greg directly, like a firsthand source. And she lays out the stages of narcissistic abuse that she experienced with Greg. So idolization. She said at first he was adorable and endearing. He seemed kind, family-oriented, soft, total catch. He pursued me intensely and very quickly. There was immediate talk of marriage, of me being the perfect girl, and he quickly intertwined me with his family. I was on cloud nine. She said that she started to notice controlling behavior, but she mistook it for reassurance that he was deeply invested in her.

46:19And it was very love-bombing. And then devaluation is the next stage. She said that he started making jabs. He criticized her clothes, her friends, the photos she posted. He called her a slut if her dress was short, called her fucking pathetic if she posted bikini pictures from a bachelorette party. He cycled so consistently between love bombing and devaluing her. It was easy to forgive him whenever he apologized. Then she was there for him when, unfortunately, his father was diagnosed with cancer. And it was really traumatic. And she was very intertwined in the family at the time. And she was constantly supporting him.

46:55But then he would get mad when she, you know, she was like, my friends invited me on a trip to Miami. And I was 22, 23 years old at the time. He was outraged. that I would abandon him and insisted the only reason I wanted to go was to meet other guys. She says she experienced verbal abuse, emotional withdrawal. And from that point forward, the verbal abuse accusations and emotional withdrawal only intensified. And she would start to feel guilty for wanting to participate in anything other than his life. And she said that it seemed to run in the family or it seemed to be something that he was used to doing because he openly screamed at and cursed at family members, according to her.

47:36She once heard him call his own grandmother a cunt. He would yell at her and just emotionally abuse her. And she said she became a shell of herself. And she said he desperately wanted to be famous, which we can tell now. He has since been quoted in an interview saying, I was 24, had zero interest in getting engaged on TV. I emailed back like hard pass. And what he consistently leaves out is that at the time he was in a serious nearly two-year relationship with someone who was showing up every single day for him and his family. He called her weak, pathetic, crazy, similar to the way he described a lot of his exes.

48:11And just the stress became overwhelming. And then the discard stage, he said when they broke up, he screamed directly in her face, forced her to order an Uber from New Jersey back to Hoboken at around 1 a.m. She says she vividly remembers him shoving me towards the stairs and yelling at me to get the fuck out. And that was not the first time he was physical. He had thrown things at me before. He told me he deserved better. And she was really young at this time. She was like so confused and felt obviously discarded. And then the next stage is hoovering where they try to suck you back in. And Greg, I guess, reached out about wanting to get back together.

48:51And she was 24 at the time. And eight months later in March 2020, and he ended up discarding her again. He kind of just abruptly left her again. And then eight months later, in March 2020, he was announced as a contestant on Claire Crawley's season of The Bachelorette. Because of COVID, that season's original cast ultimately changed, and he later appeared on Katie's season instead. And after the show aired, she connected with Katie to share her experience and reassure her that she was not crazy or wrong. And they ended up forming a relationship, Katie Thurston and his ex-girlfriend. What I saw in my relationship with Greg was a consistent pattern of gaslighting, manipulation, emotional abuse.

49:26And the bachelor producers were vetting him to become the bachelor. And so they ended up reaching out to his ex-girlfriends. And this is when Greg had finally reached out to her to apologize for his behavior years later. So he knew because the bachelor producers were going to be vetting his behavior via his ex-girlfriends that he finally apologized to her. He reached out to her. He called her. He texted her for the first time in years. She says she didn't respond. And she called back the Bachelor producers with a lawyer and chronicled all of the above, all of the abusive behavior. And that is when they secured Clayton Eckert as The Bachelor.

50:05And because I was in touch with his ex-girlfriend, I also spoke with Bachelor producers. Dude, you have so much lore. Like, what the hell do you mean you talked with Bachelor producers? I did. And I told them, you cannot cast this man as The Bachelor. He is a scary gaslighter. ass lighter. Wait, as you were reading all of his ex-girlfriend's chronicles of her experience with him, I was also reading kind of like all other stuff you didn't mention. I like chilled. Yeah, there's a lot. I didn't read all of it, but like there is. Yeah, like there's a lot more that he is a read. He is a bad guy. Like I try to just do the top line stuff, but there's a lot more like he is a really, really, really bad guy.

50:40So again, because I became friendly with Zucks, I like I said, spoke to The Bachelor producers and I was like, you cannot cast this guy. He was the front runner at the time. Like, he was going to be The Bachelor. Yeah. And the way that the family dynamics, you didn't mention this part, but it sounds like his ex-girlfriend was at his mom's house, and he had asked his ex-girlfriend to heat up something in the oven, and she had turned on the oven unknowingly, not knowing there was a pizza box in there, and the box had briefly caught fire, and he completely, like, raged at her in front of the entire family, and the family stayed silent.

51:12Like, it's just Greg being Greg. Yep. And that's a very emotionally... Screaming at her. And they're like, okay, like who calls their grandmother a cunt? I mean, that's. And by the way, allegedly, allegedly, but I obviously, this is a firsthand source who I know for a fact has dated him. Dated him. Yeah. Yeah. Like I trust this person, but just for legal reasons, this is alleged. There also was discussion, again, like his name was brought up recently in the Bachelor subreddit because of the Sophia Beverly relationship. Someone says, I have a mutual friend, and this is ACR71987 on Reddit. I have a mutual friend who worked at one of the trade publications back in 2021.

51:54That publication got word that he was the top choice for Bachelor. It was working on a story about his portrayal on Katie's season and viewer reaction and conducted interviews with a few of his exes and their friends about the allegations slash their negative experiences with him. They requested a comment from ABC, and then a few days later, this mutual friend saw on Chicks in the Office that producers were now enamored with Clayton on Michelle's season and just couldn't pass up making him The Bachelor. I've repeatedly said that Greg is not a viable option for The Bachelor. ABC knows about the allegations, and they know that multiple women were willing to talk about them with a reputable publication.

52:26and unlike Taylor Frankie Paul, Greg is smart enough to know that he's lucky these allegations never became super public and lay low and collect easy checks for his influence and content. So it actually became a smarter move for him in the long run to not become The Bachelor because all of these accusations would come out. Would have surfaced. Yeah. Yeah, and he's not even, this is actually very concerning because I find myself to be pretty knowledgeable about his eye guys. I didn't know all this. Like, I just thought he was a beloved fan favorite. it so it's very concerning to me that i didn't know about this he's a terrifying person it's not well known in the public sphere and especially after so many accounts of him being terrifying and scary i'm trying to think of other contestants i think of that guy leo that had like a sexual assault allegation against him oh with the hair the hair he had like a big like yeah he had a lot of hair yeah yeah and like that's the person that comes to mind immediately but i'm trying to think of other people obviously nick vile but he is very polarizing this i don't know yeah i didn't know that people didn't like him and that's very scary yeah and again i think that if all had gone to plan for him he would have become the bachelor but i think ultimately he was smart enough like this person said to realize that that would just bring everything to the service now he can just coast and be this kind of like z-list x reality star that people follow for like funny skits on social media instead of his actual dirty laundry and all of these skeletons really coming out other than just on our little podcast, you know, like we're not the New York Times, unfortunately.

54:01So let's talk about his after the show relationships. So he, like I said, has had for so long now brand partnerships. He does these skits. He's just does this influencing thing. And it's so frustrating every time I see him do a brand partnership. It makes me want to swear off that brand because I'm like, if only you fucking knew. And honestly, like it's not that hard to find these accusations offline. Like I said, I had written a sub stack about this years ago, plenty of Reddit threads. I have a million screenshots on here of comments and Reddit threads and DeMauw submissions and all these things about how bad of a guy he is.

54:36But again, it's never been really put out there by like the New York Times or like Vanity Fair or whoever the fuck it is um so after the show he briefly dated a model named clemence lopez and she is a an influencer named clem de la creme i think is her handle on instagram and then he dated victoria fuller and like you said victoria fuller beautiful girl beautiful girl she was the it girl from pilot pete season and was on bachelor paradise also polarizing though yes very polarizing yeah she She was on Bachelor in Paradise, which was airing while her relationship with Greg went public. And this was very controversial at the time.

55:14Were you watching the season of Bachelor in Paradise? No, I had no idea she had even gotten engaged. Like, I totally just fell over my head. This was super controversial because she was spotted in Italy with Greg while her season was airing. And she got engaged on the beach to Johnny DeFilippo on Bachelor in Paradise. And BIP obviously films months before it airs. So at that point, they were broken up. But you're not supposed to be seen with a new person because then you're spoiling the season for the viewers. And her engagement to Johnny, by her account, had fallen apart quickly. And they split a few weeks after filming.

55:50And then she had connected with Greg. And there are some rumors that her and Greg had actually been talking before the season. Yeah. And Nick Vile also. There was like a lot. They were spotted in Italy. There was all this speculation. Then Nick Vile posted a TikTok of Victoria kissing Greg on the cheek. They were all hanging out. It's like, Nick, you're 40 years old. Why are you hanging out with 20-somethings? No, it's... All he does is hang out with 20-somethings. Yeah, it's that Taylor Swift lyric. It's like, the girls keep getting younger. Yeah, I don't know. You're married with a child. Stop hanging out with 25-year-olds.

56:19Yeah. Comedian Dave Neal claimed sources said Victoria had cheated, actually cheated on Johnny with Greg. She was still engaged to Johnny when she started hooking up with Greg. And Johnny said he had suspicions and didn't fully believe her denials. framing it at the very least as emotional cheating, which Victoria denied. And Greg and Victoria went on the bio files together and explained the timeline that they were just friends until after Paradise and that nothing had ever happened before Italy and that the trip had changed everything. Who goes to Italy with someone they haven't hooked up with yet?

56:51Like on a romantic trip, right? Like that's a little weird. And he actually got invited to be on the After the Final Rose. or not after the final rose, it was the Bachelor in Paradise reunion. So even though Greg wasn't on that season of Bachelor in Paradise, he was asked to go on with Victoria because they were openly together at the time and they had matching chow tattoos that they got in Italy. Oh yeah, I remember that. They're both so psychotic, honestly. Apparently they talked very openly about marriage and kids. They did long distance for a bit and then it seems like he moved to Nashville with her because she already lived in Nashville and at a house there.

57:31And he, because he, you know, is kind of a bum who, you know, doesn't want to work a real job, doesn't have a ton of capital himself other than, you know, influencing money here and there, obviously moved into his very successful girlfriend's police house in Nashville. And they would post so many brand partnerships together and did a lot of like content together and seemed to be really in love. But then they eventually broke up in April 2024. for. And Greg confirmed it on Jason Tardik's Trading Secrets podcast. He said, it's sad to be honest. I just want to respect her. She's amazing. I know she's going to continue to do amazing things.

58:05And Victoria also confirmed on her Instagram saying she wished him nothing but the best. And I actually think with Greg, I'm just thinking about like the Bachelor in Paradise thing because for so long people were like, we want Greg back on the franchise, whether it's Bachelor in Paradise or The Bachelor. Like if it weren't for these accusations, he unfortunately would have been an amazing bachelor franchise stalwart whether it's lead bachelor in paradise because he is so good looking and so charming like girls would actually fawn over him and that is what i have said has always been the downfall of the bachelor franchise is they miscalculate how attractive to the opposite sex their lead is they're like here's this guy who's who's you know it's tall no i i just think of clayton and who's the other guy um is that the one who looks like Zach Shalcross.

58:52Oh my God. Wait, he does look like Perez Hilton. I'm sorry. Like, I will, I will say that he is still together. I actually watched this season randomly. He is still, I know I would like, why do I watch this random season? Like they had three viewers genuinely. I was one of three and he actually is still with his F1. Oh, give me whatever. He's weird. I don't know. He's the perfect example of someone that I'm like, Like, I'm sorry, like, and nothing against him. Like, he seems like a really, like, we're talking about, like, a really, really, really bad guy during this episode. Zach Chalcress, good guy.

59:26Just not, like, he doesn't have, he unfortunately doesn't have the model good looks that someone like Greg Grippo has. Yeah, I'm sorry, but he does look like a red bull. And so when I watch those seasons with a lead like that, I'm just like, there's no way that these girls are all, like, there's no way that 30 women are all in love with him or falling in love with him. Like, there's just no way. But with someone like Greg or someone like Tyler Cameron or whoever it is, it's actually believable. Like, if Rob Roush was the lead, it'd be like, yeah, it's actually believable that 30 girls would be fighting over this person.

59:58I mean, every girl on the planet Earth would be fighting over Rob Roush if given the opportunity. Yeah, exactly. That is believable. And unfortunately, with Greg Grippo, like, it would have been believable. Like, even after all of these accusations came out, he still had thousands of women on the Internet fawning over him. Right. Dying that you watch Zach Shellacross. I know. Like, why? Why did I watch that? Literally no one. But we were talking about, I think it was on our Juliana Rancic Patreon episode, we were talking about how, like, what was the downfall of the Bachelor franchise? And we talked about, like, Chris Harrison leaving when he was, like, the face of the franchise.

1:00:33That may have played a part, even though I think that Jesse, what's his, Jesse Palmer does a really good job. I think the downfall was them miscasting leads. Yeah, I'm trying to think. Matt James was my last season and my God, was me after one episode? I'm like, my God, was he boring? I literally could not watch it. Boring. Hot, but boring. I was like, this is too much. Like, this is too much. Yeah. I'm tapping out. Like, they kept picking guys that were not only not someone that 30 girls would fight over, but also lacked like onscreen charisma. Yeah, you know, absolutely. I think Matt James was one of them.

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1:06:48Andrew definitely was a fan favorite. Justin went on Bachelor in Paradise and became a fan favorite from what I recall. And from what I have gathered, neither of them are problematic at all, but I do obviously side-eye them for being best friends with Greg Gripot. If you hang out with a liar, then you are a liar or whatever Amanda said to Joyce. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. And he seems to be doing just fine as an influencer, like I said. The villain edit that he got never seemed to catch on all the way. His Grippo girls are very loyal, unfortunately. Okay, so Sophia Beverly. Let's talk about his relationship with Sophia, which we briefly touched on.

1:07:27So Sophia was a cast member on Love Overboard. Did you watch this? I don't think you did. Isn't that the Alex Cooper thing? Yeah, it's the Unwell show hosted by Gabby Wendy. Okay. I don't want it. I don't want it. So she was rumored to have dated Greg. And she went on the Off the Vine podcast with Caitlin Bristow about two months ago. And she says that they actually were dating before she went on the show. But she was like, he knows more than anyone that going on reality TV, it's good for your career. So he understood. But she describes this relationship. And she doesn't say his name, by the way.

1:08:01she says it to Caitlyn and Caitlyn's like oh my god I'm so mad at him it's like yeah because he's fucking abusive um but people have deduced that she is 100 talking about Greg here and she describes it as the most toxic relationship relationship of her life she says she was crying every day described the same thing as his ex that he love-bombed her then emotionally abused her became extremely jealous and possessive and then discarded her by kind of disappearing and cheating on her or the other way around. He cheated on her and then disappeared. And also she was an OnlyFans girl. So he's going to date an OnlyFans girl and then get jealous that she gets male attention.

1:08:37Yeah. I mean, she talked about that on with Caitlin Bristow. She was like, yeah, like the majority of my Instagram followers are men. So like, how are you going to get mad at me for posting a bikini photo? And it's so funny. This is the exact same thing that he would say to his ex-girlfriend who wasn't an OnlyFans model, but she would post bikini photos and he would get mad at her and like call her a slut or whatever. Right. And she said that it was like so fucking toxic and awful that he apparently said that he was taking like an eight week pottery course or something while he was actually cheating on her.

1:09:08So he like made up that he was taking a pottery course. Another dark energy object is men going on like spiritual healing retreats. I think that's so dark. Yeah. Like ayahuasca retreats. Yeah. Like like Jesse Lally on the valley. I went to And look, a lot of people have had amazing experiences with ayahuasca. No, 100%. But it's men that won't go to therapy, but they'll go on ayahuasca. Do whatever you want in conjunction with therapy and like ongoing self-improvement. Don't just think you're going to go on a trip and then it's going to heal the rest of your life. Like if life doesn't work like that, your brain doesn't work like that.

1:09:37Yeah. You got to put it in the work. So this became kind of, I don't want to say viral. Because again, nothing with Greg, nothing bad about Greg will ever go viral because people love him, unfortunately. But it gained some traction in the Bachelor subreddit. And SummerGirls by LFO1999, love that Reddit name, posted, he's so different from his online persona. Miserable, yelled, manipulative, knew what to say to make her feel awful. Then she found out he was cheating on her. He didn't deny it because he was caught, then needed to do a 12-week pottery course to heal himself, quote unquote. Yeah. And then, wait, this is so funny.

1:10:13This one Reddit comment is definitely about me. It says, I remember there was some woman on Twitter or Instagram who was on the rampage against Greg Grippo in 2021. She claimed that she had spoken to several of his exes and that he was emotionally abusive to all of them. I remember thinking she was annoying at the time since she was so obsessively posting about how awful he was, but perhaps she was right. I'm like, that's 100 % about me. And thank you. Thank you. I'm vindicated five years later. Thank you. I'll take it. Yep. I'll take it. And then here are more from this recent subreddit thread from two months ago.

1:10:45Always Abundant333 said, I had a friend of a friend who dated him and said his little shy boy persona was a total act and that he was incredibly toxic. I mentioned this in the sub at some point and got ripped to shreds by the Grippo girls. Like, is it really that hard to believe that someone you see through a screen might not be the person they're portraying? Also, the way he left Katie's season was so toxic. I don't know how people viewed it otherwise, Shreds. And that's exactly how I feel. It was so toxic and so gaslighty. And the fact that it could be interpreted any other way was shocking to me.

1:11:15and Jason for Bachelor posted man oh man. Tartic? What? Jason for Bachelor is the handle but like Jason Tartic. Wait when you said Tartic I thought you said Kartic and I was like what? Kartic? Kartic's our video editor. I was like what? Oh no sorry. Jason Tartic add him to the list. Jason Tartic. Yeah we need a Jason Tartic deep dive. I feel like there's a lot there. Me and my roommates were obsessed with him because he was like this like handsome guy who like you know worked in banking in New York City. And me and my roommate were obsessed. And then he turned out to be one of the, maybe thirstier than Greg.

1:11:49He's so thirsty. Yeah. Can't stand him. Yeah, there's a lot of, a lot there with Jason Tardik. Jason Tardik. I'm like Jason Mesnick. Or wait, was it Jason Mesnick? That was his name, right? He was Bachelor. He was Bachelor. So I'm like, Jason Tardik is definitely who they're referring to. They posted, man, oh man. I essentially left this fandom during Katie's season because I found the Greg Grippo love vest so wildly annoying and weird. Sorry to this woman. That guy has clearly always sucked. And then Expensive Ask 9543 said, same, I got very disillusioned with the fans of this franchise watching them defend him.

1:12:24And I feel the exact same way. Well, I feel right. And here we are, again, vindicated five years later. And I feel so sorry for Sophia Beverly, obviously. But I'm happy that a public-facing woman is coming out. And I know that she's not directly calling him out, probably because she doesn't want to deal with how evil he is. Or his fandoms. That's so ketched up with it. His psycho grippo girls. Yeah. But she is more or less naming him when she tells this story on Caitlin Brister's podcast, which I very much appreciate. Well, you did a really, really good job on this episode. This is, I actually am now more interested in watching her season just to see this all play out.

1:13:01Honestly, you should. It's worth a watch because it's like textbook gaslighting that I feel like is very informative. Yeah. You watch it and you're like, okay i know what behaviors to pick up on now when i am dating yeah yeah really good job i it i don't know it's really scary that this man still has a pretty bustling career because people still really highly engaged with his content and he is probably making a boatload of money right now who knows when that's going to you know end up but i feel like if he's attaching himself to other bachelor nation contestants you know there's power in numbers so i bet he's gonna ride this train for a while oh absolutely but send this to your friends if you guys have friends that like love him or grippo girls like this is this is for them they need to know he's had so wait oh my god he okay it's not a mountain valley water partnership because i know how much you love mountain valley water it's primo brands which delivers great tasting quality water straight to your door with trusted brands like mountain valley pull and spring etc so he has a fucking partnership with your favorite water brand, basically.

1:14:10Tons of, tons of partnerships. He just went to Africa with his like little threesome comedy trio. Enough. To film content. Yeah. Unsettling and disappointing. But I think if you guys do follow him and you were a fan of his on The Bachelorette, no judgment here. Maybe just consider unfollowing. Gross. He has Dunkin' Partnerships. Jeez, it. He's got that Dunkin' one? Bush's Beans. He's probably making so much money. Tons of partnerships. Again, it's like GroupMe partnership. Oh, my God. I feel like all he posts are partnerships. Jersey Mike's partnership. Oh, my God. And I love Jersey Mike's. Just so we're on the same page.

1:14:49Oh, my God. Jersey Mike's is so fucking good. It's so good. They cut the meat fresh right in front of you. It really is so good. And I was dying when Amanda Petula did that Jimmy John's commercial. And everyone was like, read the fucking room. Also, go to Jersey Mike's. Like, everyone was like, Jersey Mike's, Jersey Mike's on the comments. That sounds so good right now. Now I want a jersey mic. No, I'm going to get that. I'm going to ask to get that for lunch. Oh my God, that sounds amazing. Yeah. Oh my God. I love the Italian. Thank you guys for listening. Thank you for being here. And hope you enjoyed this episode about a Z-List former Bachelor contestant.

1:15:24And again, we have our New York and Chicago shows this weekend. If you are in New York or Chicago, either tomorrow in New York, Friday, June 12th, or Sunday, June 14th in Chicago. We would love to see you IRL. The link is in our show notes and you can use code BabySnark25 for 25 % off. We also send out newsletters every Friday. We have bonus episodes on Wednesday on our Patreon and all of those links are in our show notes. So you know where to find us if you miss us. Yeah, thank you guys so much. And we'll see you on Tuesday for another episode of Dark Energy Tuesday or tomorrow in New York. Love you, bye.

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