What’s the Snark on Jared Leto?

14:08Sophie Ross:I know. So he received a lot of praise for his lead role as a drug addict and to prepare for his role because he's a method actor, remember? He apparently lived on the streets of New York City and refrained from having sex for two months prior to shooting for whatever reason that helped him. He starved himself for months, losing 28 pounds to realistically play this heroin addict character. He said that he got increasingly sick and he started getting addicted to losing weight. He seemed to have developed an eating disorder during this time, which is sad. But after the shooting of the film, he was like, okay, it's time for me to gain the weight back and gain my sanity back.

14:49Sophie Ross:So he apparently shaved his head, went to a monastery in Portugal and feasted on fish and potatoes. So he went on to star in Panic Room, Phone Booth.

15:02Christy Noel:Phone Booth. I loved that movie. Wait, I remember that coming out. Again, a movie I don't think I've seen before, but I remember the trailers and like being really spooky and like it being a rainy day and maybe New York City.

15:17Sophie Ross:Yeah, that was a good movie. I have seen that actually. Alexander, Lord of War, Lonely Hearts, Chapter 27. These were all in the early 2000s. So he started to become a prolific actor. And for Chapter 27, he gained 67 pounds to play John Lennon's killer, Mark David Chapman. His weight gain was so extreme it gave him gout and he needed a wheelchair on set. Gout, dick sucker! I'm sorry, I had to. That's from Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. To lose the weight, he went on a liquid diet after filming. He directed a short film slash 30 Seconds to Mars music video, A Beautiful Lie, in 2008, under the pseudonym of Angakok Panapak.

16:02Sophie Ross:he needed his pseudonym he needed it what a name yeah he is a very interesting guy he's also by the way 30 seconds to mars i know that we're focusing on his acting career he is the front man of this band 30 seconds to mars he plays guitar bass and keyboard and he started the band back in 1998. The reason that he like had a pseudonym for this music video is he's like, I want to keep it separate. I don't want people to know me as Jared Leto, the famous actor. I just want it to be this whole separate thing. But the band didn't really take off until their second album in 2005. So he was kind of, he was an actor first before 30 Seconds to Mars started taking off.

16:48Sophie Ross:And we will talk a lot more about them shortly. So his pseudonym of Inga Pococ Pani Poc.

16:57Christy Noel:I'm also trying to recall what 30 Seconds to Mars is known for, like their best tracks.

17:03Sophie Ross:There's one song that I used to like of theirs. Oh, The Kill. Yeah, that's the number one on Spotify.

17:10Christy Noel:Yeah.

17:11Sophie Ross:That was like, I definitely remember listening to that like in my like Mitsubishi Lancer when I was driving to school. I'm thinking of the D.E.T. The Mitsubishi Lancer, the stock photo, just speeding down. If you know. If you know. you know you're an OG. I don't know if they still make Mitsubishi Lancers, but yeah, we had some good times together. He also started Mr. Nobody in 2009 and then in 2013 starred in Dallas Buyers Club. Did you ever see this? Of course I didn't.

17:39Christy Noel:So I actually... Moving forward, just assume I have not seen any of the cult classics.

17:44Sophie Ross:Yeah, I will. That's how I will proceed. But I actually saw this in theaters randomly over Thanksgiving with like my mom and my sister and my grandma, I think it was one of those like Oscar contender movies. I remember. And it was, it was good. I mean, I haven't had any desire to rewatch it since then, but he portrayed a drug addicted transgender woman with AIDS who befriends Matthew McConaughey, his character, Ron Woodruff, his performance as this trans woman earned him an Academy award for best supporting actor. He, which was controversial, of course. and he dropped over 30 pounds for the role to appear as frail as possible.

18:27Sophie Ross:He also shaved his eyebrows, waxed his entire body. And throughout filming, he apparently refused to break character. He said, I think the role demanded that commitment. It was about how does that affect how I walk, how I talk, who I am, how I feel. You feel very fragile and delicate and unsafe. And he said that the portrayal was grounded in his meeting transgender people while researching the role. He said he met with multiple people in the transgender community to learn about how he could make his performance a real portrayal rather than a caricature. Part of that extended to learning how to put on lipstick, for example.

18:59Sophie Ross:Wait, are you reading his tweet?

19:01Christy Noel:Yeah, but I'm just looking at what your note says. Leave it to a straight man to represent a trans woman so truthfully. So many experiences to draw from.

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25:53Sophie Ross:So it was slammed for being really, really, really tone deaf. Salon.com said this was all in good fun, but Leno's playing for laughs, the process by which he prepared for the role of a person who felt uncomfortable in her body was not really. It was a very transformative role. I had to do a lot of things to repair. One of the things I did was wax my entire body, including my eyebrows and the audience laughed. And then this writer also writes, I point to the fact that neither Leto nor his fellow winner Matthew McConaughey mentioned AIDS once in their respective speeches. These two men devoted months of their lives to a project specifically about the AIDS crisis and then went off on tangents when accepting awards for their work about how goofy and weird it is to make your body like a transgender person like Jared Leto did.

26:37Sophie Ross:So yeah, he got a lot of backlash from the transgender community. The Independent wrote, people protested his stereotypical treatment of the character. And Time writer Steve Rice claimed that this marked another moment when liberals in Hollywood, both in the industry and in the media, showed how little they understood or empathized with the lives of a minority they imagine they and Jared Leto are honoring. So it's like, oh, you act like you are doing this justice, but you're really making a mockery of it. There were a lot of think pieces on it. Again, a lot of backlash. Apparently, Matthew McConaughey and Jared Leto, while filming this movie, did not like each other, which this makes me like Matthew McConaughey.

27:21Sophie Ross:I mean, I've been kind of, I wouldn't say I'm indifferent towards him. I lean towards liking him. I'm not like a super fan, but I like him. I really want to see that new movie, by the way, where he plays the bus driver in the California wildfires that's trying to get a bunch of school children on a bus out of the fires.

27:38Christy Noel:Oh, that sounds very good. I really enjoy Matthew McConaughey. I like that we should do like a whole Matthew McConaughey episode separately. But I like that he's really pivoted intentionally in his career of he was known as a rom-com guy. And he really hated that he was known for that. So he said that he turned down like so many lucrative opportunities simply because he wanted to move away from the stereotype. and he said it wasn't easy. Dallas Buyers Club was the first time I was able to actually go into a role that wasn't how to lose a guy in 10 days. And I feel as if he's now taken far more seriously.

28:12Christy Noel:And I just, I like his energy and I think his family is really beautiful. And I'm obsessed with like how he's trying to raise up his kids these days.

28:19Sophie Ross:Yeah, he's a cutie. But yeah, he confirmed this friction. He said, we didn't get along. He didn't care about me and I didn't care about him. Love that about him. In 2016, Jared Leto played the iconic Joker character in the movie Suicide Squad. He chopped off his hair, bleached his hair neon green, shaved his eyebrows, covered himself in tattoos. And he was a real freaking weirdo. But this is the worst part. He apparently sent gag gifts because he's a method actor, remember? So that means that he to send things like used condoms, dead pigs, semen-soaked magazines, and anal beads to his co-stars Viola Davis and Margot Robbie.

29:01Sophie Ross:It's rumored that he also gifted a dead rat, a live rat, and bullets. Margot Robbie said that he gifted her a live rat, which she stated that she kept as a pet until her landlord discovered it. Also rumors that he may have killed a rat on set. So again, this is the animal cruelty that I'm talking about for a vegan. You're throwing around like dead rats. And I mean, that's just even if you didn't kill them, that's so like disrespectful to the animal and to the person, the person, obviously. There are also rumors that these antics were maybe fabricated by his PR team to like build mystique. So he's actually said to have a very controlling PR team, which is surprising given his terrible reputation.

29:43Sophie Ross:Rumors of really insane NDAs, bot accounts created to defend him online, staged fan encounters, et cetera. What is the truth? I don't know. But Viola Davis told Vanity Fair that Jared Leto did some bad things. He gave some really horrific gifts. He had a henchman who would come into the rehearsal room and the henchman came in with a dead pig and plopped it on the table. And then he walked out. And that was our introduction to Jared Leto. What? Yeah.

30:09Christy Noel:And you know what they say about individuals that are obsessed with animal cruelty? Yeah. A lot of serial killers. Killers, yeah, they start their obsession with death through killing animals. I'm not suggesting that Jared Leto is a murderer, but he has some sick, twisted fantasies.

30:26Sophie Ross:Yeah, and we don't know, did he buy these animals dead? He could have gone to the butcher. I don't know if he actually killed them. There are rumors that he killed a rat, but who knows? Either way, it's disturbing. Will Smith said that when they first found out that Jared wasn't going to be in rehearsals, we were like, that's messed up. How is he not going to be in rehearsals? And then there was a bag on the door and this dude barges in and throws a dead pig on the floor in front of us. So he said, okay, Jared has officially set off the Suicide Squad. He went full Joker. So this was apparently part of his method acting.

30:57Sophie Ross:And Jared responded with any of the very few gifts that were ever given were given with a spirit of fun and adventure and received with laughter, fun and adventure. I'm playing a guy called the Joker. It's okay to play some jokes. Nothing ever crossed any lines. And it's not up to other people on the internet to create those lines. I'm an artist at the end of the day. If I do something risky and you don't like it, you can kiss my ass.

31:20Christy Noel:No, we're just saying it's weird that you're bringing dead animals on set and plopping them onto the table via your henchmen. Via henchmen.

31:28Sophie Ross:And for all this fuss, he was like barely in the movie. I never watched this because... But he was barely in the movie. His portrayal got panned. The movie got really terrible reviews. His portrayal as the Joker in particular was like really, really, really panned. And I think he was like also kind of in a tough spot because he was the first person to play the Joker after Heath Ledger. I'm sure you've seen The Dark Knight.

31:51Christy Noel:No, I know.

31:52Sophie Ross:Christy. I'm sure you've seen The Dark Knight. Now I'm giving you a high voice. Wait, I'm, yeah, what's with the high voice? I have never, I have never met someone in my life who hasn't seen The Dark Knight.

32:05Christy Noel:No, what I'm telling you is I am not a woman of arts, you know, like I love trashy pop. culture but when it comes to serious works of art you bet your bottom dollar I've not seen it I don't it's almost like it's comical at this point listen I'm self-aware enough to know it's a problem you know what we need to do on Patreon one of these days we need to do a live watch of like a cult classic like a true the Dark Knight is the fact that you haven't seen the Dark Knight is like

32:34Sophie Ross:so there are so many like references in that movie that have become like pop culture like canon in. Oh, my God, that's so crazy to me. I actually saw that at the midnight showing back in 2008. I was in high school and me and my boyfriend at the time, we were like, let's go see it because it was released posthumously after Heath Ledger had passed away. And his obviously his portrayal of the Joker was so incredible and iconic that he posthumously won the Oscar for it. And it was just like he was the blueprint for the Joker. And obviously there were Joker portrayals before him and there are after him, but he was, he is known as the best Joker.

33:15Sophie Ross:So the fact that Jared Leto played the Joker after Heath Ledger was kind of setting him up to fail. He had big shoes to fill, but Joaquin Phoenix ended up getting good reviews for his portrayal as the Joker. And the fact that they started making these standalone Joker movies with Joaquin Phoenix instead of Jared Leto, apparently really pissed off Jared. He said he felt alienated and upset by this, allegedly, and he tried to use his influence to stop these movies from getting made because he wanted his own film, and he told his agents to pressure Warner Brothers to kill the project. Even though that movie ended up being extremely successful, at least the first one.

33:53Sophie Ross:I know the second one with Lady Gaga wasn't as much, but the first one was really successful. It grossed over a billion dollars. It won Oscars, etc. But it strained his relationship with Warner Brothers, and obviously everyone found out about his really scary on-set behavior and he started to get a really bad reputation. He went on to be in Blade Runner 2049 in 2017 and he wore opaque contacts that blinded himself on set so he could truly behave like his blind character. In 2021, he was in The Little Things, which he got a Golden Globe nomination for. I watched this probably like a year or two ago.

34:34Sophie Ross:I don't remember anything about it. I do remember him showing up and I'm like, God damn it. Not Jared Leto again. Fuck. Fuck. Well, that's what Henry says. He's like, there's that guy you hate. He just knows that I hate Jared Leto. He was in House of Gucci in 2021, for which he also got a Golden Globe nom. Did you ever see this? I'm going to assume no. okay so this movie actually was good like lady gaga and adam driver really good it's actually really funny jared leto played the way that he wore prosthetics to play this character that he looked absolutely nothing the first time i saw this movie i did not realize it was jared leto which i guess is a compliment i'm not trying to compliment him i'm trying to say why wouldn't you just hire someone who looks more like this character he plays like a bald older gentleman.

35:25Sophie Ross:You know, it's like, why can you just hire a bald, older actor? Yeah. You really needed a.

35:30Christy Noel:Oh, I don't know. I was about to say put on a fat suit, but no, you didn't say he was larger, just bald. Yeah.

35:36Sophie Ross:So yeah, it's like it's prosthetics, but prosthetics. So he remained in character the whole time on set. He made the hair and makeup people get him ready at a separate location so he could show up on set dressed as Paolo Gucci. And Al Pacino was apparently weirded out by him because he didn't recognize him.

35:52Christy Noel:Ruined it out by him.

35:53Sophie Ross:Yeah. So 2022, it's Morbin time. Morbius, he plays this vampire named Morbius. To play this character, he did his thing. He learned how to walk with a cane. Et cetera. He loves to lean into the character. Yeah. It's so embarrassing that I actually really enjoyed this movie because it got panned. It was a box office flop. It became a huge meme. and because it became such a meme on the internet, they tried to like bring it back into theaters. They did actually. They brought it back to theaters, even though it flopped because they were like, well, now everyone loves it. Ironically, it's like a joke.

36:27Sophie Ross:So they brought it back to theaters just for it to flop again in theaters, which is funny. But like once again, like I enjoyed Morbius. I hate to say it. I thought it was a fun little romp.

36:39Christy Noel:But liking it is a little more my speed. That's a little bit of me, you know?

36:43Sophie Ross:Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's a bad movie. But it's again, it's kind of fun and silly. But yeah, huge box office flop. The studio lost a lot of money. Then we are on to We Crashed in 2022, where he plays Adam Newman, the founder of WeWork and Warp Prosthetics and used an Israeli accent. And he apparently hired a team of five Israelis to rehearse lines with and attended Shabbat dinner so he could hear that voice all the time. ironically jared leto is an investor in startups like airbnb and uber and he has made quite a decent amount of money from investing kind of like ashton kutcher he's like gonna say ashton yeah i'm not just an actor i'm an investor too speaking of ashton kutcher he actually was a huge proponent and supporter of adam newman he will be he would go on like news conferences and be like

37:34Christy Noel:Adam Newman is the real deal, invest in WeWork, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah, he freaking would be.

37:41Sophie Ross:But I enjoyed We Crashed. I mean, I think we both did. So good.

37:45Christy Noel:That's one I can say I watch and one that I thought was actually very good.

37:48Sophie Ross:Yeah. And I think, you know, I hate to say it. I think that he did a good job playing Adam Newman. I don't think that he's the most talented actor in the world at all. I don't think he's good at a lot of things, but I thought he was really good in that. let's move on to Tron Aries his latest project which apparently he semi-funded which is why he was cast as the lead because so many people were like why would you cast your leto you are setting yourself up to fail right all he does is sync movies because no one wants to watch him but he was part of the funding of it so he got to be the lead and it immediately got bad reviews it was a box office flop along with Morbius.

38:33Sophie Ross:Rotten Tomatoes has a 51 % from critics. And they write that Tron legacy boasts dazzling visuals, but its human characters and story get lost amid its state-of-the-art production design. It's expected to lose hundreds of millions of dollars. Too bad, Jared Leto. From Disney. Yeah. And I think this is maybe like the nail in the coffin for his career in a way. I think that he's going to continue to get cast in things and probably smaller indie projects, I'm sure. But in terms of big box office productions, they keep losing money with Jared Leto as the lead because people don't want to watch him.

39:13Sophie Ross:I just don't think he's, he has a bad reputation off screen. I don't think he's that talented. All he does is he kind of always has the same face in the same like acting and for a method actor, I think that We Crash is maybe the exception but I feel like studios would be really really really dumb to cast him and stuff

39:32Christy Noel:again he had a lot to work with I feel like in We Crash because that story in and of itself was very compelling and yeah it's kind of like well you just I feel like he got lucky with such an interesting character to play and such an interesting story to portray but it seems like he really leans into the more like just really dark weird roles which I think speaks a lot to his personality which we're obviously going to get into in a moment about his cult accusations and his following oh it's just very dark and seedy yes it's very dark speaking of dark characters

40:07Sophie Ross:his next upcoming role is as Skeletor in Masters of the Universe which comes out in 2026 he will play He-Man's arch nemesis. And it's kind of like a supervillain role, blah, blah, blah. He's depicted as a skull face, blue skinned sorcerer. And there are lots of memes about how he's brought down the Tron franchise. He brought down Morbius and now it's going to be masters of the universe. So everyone is prepared for those films to flop as well. Now, a quick ad break to talk about Olive in June. If you guys know anything about us and our dark energy objects, it's that we hate going to the nail salon.

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44:29Sophie Ross:the 30 seconds to mars fan base he basically has a group of believers slash fans who call themselves the echelon they have traveled to these kind of like adult summer camps

44:46Christy Noel:That's like We Crash when they would have the Weaver. Yeah. Yeah, kind of. Yeah. Yeah.

44:50Sophie Ross:Tickets cost thousands of dollars. They're promised like FaceTime with Jared Leno. They're basically like 30 seconds to Mars, super fans. He's admitted to taking inspiration from Jesus for his personal appearances there. He will walk around the festival in white robes. Everyone is running after him. Everyone's obsessed with him. The term Echelon comes from the band song Echelon. and it's also a military term for troops organized in a stepped parallel formation. So just a little context. And they've kind of like embraced the cult thing. Like they even in one music video, the words, yes, this is a cult come on screen.

45:25Sophie Ross:And the 30 Seconds to Mars fans are apparently very committed. He claimed that in 2013, a fan once sent him their ear in the mail with a note that said, are you listening? and he said that ear is not even the craziest thing i got a fedex box full of pubic hair one time he also says that he put that he wore the ear as a necklace he poked a hole in it and wore it

45:50Christy Noel:donned it on his around his neck yeah again but like what to your point what is true yeah can we

45:57Sophie Ross:actually believe this is in fact true yeah like literally what is true but he is a weirdo either Ryan. I think he loves the, I mean, I know he does. He loves like the adoration. He loves the way that these people are setting in pubic hair in body parts. Like he loves that. It's so creepy. In 2013, 30 seconds to Mars held a contest in which the winners got to stay at Jared Leto's house. One fan even got to sleep in his bed. There's a recap of the winner's experience on Tumblr. And if you find the source credible, Jared did not stay in his house that night nor sleep in the bed. And apparently his bed is a coffin, by the way.

46:40Christy Noel:This guy gets weirder and fucking weirder. I know. He reminds me of like an actual real life vampire. No, he actually is. I feel like anytime you go into his house, it's like blasting just cold air and he just gravitates.

46:53Sophie Ross:Yeah, he's so creepy. With the cult stuff, he told the New York Times in 2013 that It's for the believers who get the joke. I hate the word fan. It just seems so dismissive because we have this cult, this family, these believers who understand. It seems fitting that there is a name to reference them, a.k.a. the echelon, the cult. The next month, 30 Seconds to Mars asks fans to get their lyrics tattooed on their body in exchange for a chance to star in one of the band's music videos. All fans must be filmed saying I am the echelon before going under the needle and must also explain why they're getting it done.

47:29So very normal.

47:31Christy Noel:Yes. Randing their body, basically.

47:35Sophie Ross:It's so scary. In 2015 is when they started hosting their summer camps or festivals, whatever you want to call them, called Camp Mars. That was the first one they did in Malibu. They did Mars Island at a private island in Croatia. Activities included yoga and meditation, campfire sing-alongs, intimate concerts. It was basically like a huge meet and greet for 30 Seconds to Mars mega fans. What? In 2019, it kind of started to go viral, the Camp Mars event, Mars Island in Croatia. Jared was photographed with his colt dressed in all white like Jesus. The band's social team posted the pictures of social media saying, yes, this is a colt.

48:18Sophie Ross:and yeah, people are really weirded out. But if you ask Echelon members, they say it's all in good fun and it's kind of like an inside joke. One Reddit user, Lizzo's Juicy Coochie, said no NDAs were even necessary. It was literally just a fan event, nothing more and nothing less. Nishia on Reddit said, I went to Camp Mars every year and essentially followed them around on tour for two years. The first year was honestly magical. It was an adult summer camp. I worked a very high stress job and I got to feel like a kid at summer camp with this band that I loved. Sad Piglet 4031 said it was all above board.

48:56Sophie Ross:People had a great time. The most negative thing I read was it felt like a cash grab. If you didn't pay for a higher package, then you didn't have access to Jared, just like the tears of concert VIP packages. So yeah, pretty much the fans themselves are like, this is normal. Relax. Mars Island has not been held since 2019. There were plans to revive it in 2020 and 2022, which fell through partly due to COVID and possibly due to the organizers realizing it had kind of gone in an uncomfortable direction. In 2020, during the height of COVID, speaking of which, Jared faced backlash for tweeting that he had no idea what was going on because he just got back from a 12-day meditation retreat in the desert.

49:35Sophie Ross:He tweeted, wow, 12 days ago, I began a silent meditation in the desert. We were totally isolated. No phone, no communication, et cetera. We had no idea what was happening outside the facility.

49:47Christy Noel:I totally remember this. Also, something about people continuously going on these retreats all the time. What are you trying to escape from? What perils are you facing in your life that you have to go on a silent meditation retreat all the time? I don't know. That just gives me really dark energy. No, I know. Sorry.

50:07Sophie Ross:It's very strange.

50:09Christy Noel:Yeah. So let's get to the sexual misconduct allegations that were kind of a longstanding rumor in Hollywood for a really long time.

50:18Sophie Ross:It just wasn't until June 2025 that it officially came out in the media. And when we talk about these kind of longstanding rumors, Dylan Sprouse, actually, in 2018, I know that we have beef with Dylan Sprouse, but he publicly alluded to inappropriate behavior by Leto on Twitter with director James Gunn co-signing it. So he tweeted, yo, at Jared Leto, now that you've slid into the DMs of every female model aged 18 to 25, what would you say your success rate is? James Gunn responded, he starts at 18 on the internet. And Dylan Sprouse also posted an Instagram story saying that his tweet had been taken down and flagged.

51:01Sophie Ross:So it seems like Jared Leto reported it, which it's very Daniel Bernstein of him. Yeah. I don't know.

51:10Christy Noel:Yeah.

51:10Sophie Ross:Yeah. So it's been an open secret with people that are like in the know, you know. But in June 2025, nine women accused him of engaging in inappropriate behavior over the years, including flirting with teens. As reported by The Guardian, one woman said that in 2006, when she was 16, Jared Leto came up to her at an LA cafe. He was sitting next to Ashley Olsen, 19 years old at the time. And he did have a relationship with Ashley Olsen. Yeah, so I kind of skipped over his relationships because it's like the least interesting thing about him, but he has been connected to Cameron Diaz. They dated on and off for four years.

51:49Sophie Ross:Scarlett Johansson on and off for a couple of years. Ashley Olsen, several years. Apparently had a casual fling with Lindsay Lohan. I'm pretty sure he's on the list, on Lindsay Lohan's list. he also right had a casual fling with Paris Hilton Katy Perry Russian model Valerie Kaufman is his most recent one so those are all at least they were of age but back to the allegations Ashley Olsen who was apparently 19 years old at the time when they began their little love affair he apparently grabbed this woman's arm the woman told airmail that she looked down and it was Jared Leto. We had a quick conversation.

52:31Sophie Ross:He got my number. She went on to say that Jared Leto called her home a few days later, recalling, I don't know if he's on drugs or what. It was the weirdest, grossest voice. He had said his representation told Airmail he hasn't had a drink or used drugs in 35 years. So, you know, it couldn't be him because he's sober. So try to use that one little thing to discredit her, even though I think he's just weird enough that people would assume he was on drugs, even if he's just sober. He apparently invited this woman to a party he was throwing. She said no because she didn't have a driver's license.

53:06Sophie Ross:She was underage. He kept calling her late into the evening and the conversations got sexual. He apparently said things like, have you ever had a boyfriend? Have you ever sucked a dick? Model Laura LaRue had similar experience with him in 2008 when she was also 16. She was apparently at an event in a private residence in Beverly Hills where Jared was watching her intensely. He asked how old she was. She said, I'm 16. How old are you? He was 36 at the time. What? Yeah. Yeah. He asked for her number. The two began emailing back and forth, which eventually led to her visiting his home. She said that he was teasing her the whole time she was there.

53:46Sophie Ross:He'd lean in close, pull away. Their communications contain nothing sexual or inappropriate, according to Jared Leto's representation. And they claim that she was just trying to be his assistant and just claimed that there was nothing inappropriate that happened, even though she denied ever applying to be his assistant and said that he was inappropriate with her.

54:08Christy Noel:Why are you inviting a 16-year-old to your house? You freaking creep.

54:11Sophie Ross:Exactly. Oh, and she claimed that he walked out of a room completely naked, dick out, when she was there.

54:16Christy Noel:Oh, my God.

54:17Sophie Ross:And she was only 17. So she was like, I thought that was just like what adult men did. Another underage woman spoke to Airmail with similar claims. She said that she was underage and told him she was underage. And he would ask her inappropriate questions when they would hang out. Again, they were hanging out. So like, why are you even hanging out with a high schooler?

54:36Christy Noel:There's no purpose for that. As a man pushing 40.

54:39Sophie Ross:He would ask her things like, do any of the little boys you hang out with, fuck you. She said that one time they were hanging out, He suddenly pulled his penis out and started masturbating in front of her, walked over, grabbed her hand, put it on him and said, I want you to spit on it. Oh, he's so nasty. Yeah. So, again, like there's evidence of people accusing him of being a creep for years and years and years. In 2012, DJ and music producer Ali Tells reposted a 2012 Facebook status to Instagram in which she had said, you're not really in LA until Jared Leto tries to force himself on you backstage in a kilt and a snow hat.

55:22Sophie Ross:In her Instagram stories, she verified this later on and said, I was assaulted and traumatized by this creep when I was 17. He knew my age and didn't care. What he did was predatory, terrifying, and unacceptable. and these are multiple women obviously these are multiple women who are not connected don't know each other and they're all claiming basically the same thing that they were teenagers and he was a fucking weird creep to them of course he and his team have denied all allegations and unfortunately for disney this all came out five months before the release of tron aries which lost hundreds of millions of dollars because no one wanted to see jared leto around this time also he was touring with 30 Seconds to Mars, probably finding new victims while on tour, I imagine.

56:09Sophie Ross:So some of the proof that these accusations have been around for a long, long time. Back in 2005, the New York Post reported that Jared Leto had been approaching teen models at the Maritime Hotel. Girls from IMG, Elite, Next, and Women are staying there, and Jared has been hitting on all of them. He's a serial texter. He is constantly texting these 16 and 17-year-old girls. It's really kind of creepy.

56:32Christy Noel:Disgusting. In 2014, the tabloid star had a story from adult performer Vicki Marie

56:39Sophie Ross:Taylor, who claimed she was choked by Jared Leto while giving his brother Shannon a lap dance. She said, as I started to dance for Shannon, Jared suddenly grabbed me around the throat from behind and said to me, I can reach pure sexual enjoyment in 30 seconds just by looking into your eyes. Oh my God.

56:57Christy Noel:I'm like so triggered right now. This is like so bad. Disgusting. I I know. So this is stuff that like, this is nightmare fuel. Literally, this is a nightmare fuel. He's so scary. This is not okay. And it makes me wonder, sorry not to interrupt, but it makes me wonder just how many men in the industry, you hear about this all the time, even the way that Drake was texting Millie Bobby Brown and the way that he was. Do you have any boyfriends in your, and she was like, what, 14 or something? Yeah. You hear allegations of Nick Carter harassing young women at his Backstreet Boys show, bringing them back into the tour bus.

57:28Christy Noel:you have these men in power where these young women are very excited to just be involved and included and hanging out with their favorite celeb until it goes way too far like this is probably a tale as old as time unfortunately and we're just scratching the surface like the fact that only like we see a couple of women coming out telling these stories for every story that we're hearing there's probably 10 others exactly they will continue to do this because they have the influence and power and money to lure these young women or not even young maybe just women in general who are naive but not guilty, of course, just naive to think that they're not doing them any harm.

58:03Christy Noel:They're like their favorite celebrity. And you also think, this is what Paige Lorenz used to say about Armie Hammer. She explained that he's this big movie star. Why would he be carving stuff into me? Like, this has to be normal, right? Otherwise, he would have been caught by now. But that's the story you tell yourself.

58:18Sophie Ross:Yeah, these little teenagers. Like, of course they don't know any better, you know? They're children. Yeah. In 2016, he is on Ellen DeGeneres show with Drake, and they played a game of Never Have I Ever. The first prompt was Never Have I Ever hooked up with a fan on tour. And both go, I have.

58:37Christy Noel:Of course they have. And how old were they, Drake and Jared?

58:41Sophie Ross:Yeah, exactly. Tell us how old they were. Enlighten us. Yeah. Wait, I just like this tweet from Jenny E. Nicholson. How come major film studios keep being like, Jared Leto may have allegations, but at least he looks weird, stars in box office bombs, and is not a good actor?

58:56Christy Noel:the holy trilogy or holy trinity like he's got it all right but yeah he has nothing at all

59:01Sophie Ross:he's got it all okay in terms of other like weird random things at the 2019 Met Gala do you remember this when he carried a replica of his own severed head he's so fucking weird like yeah people were like, why do you think you're Jesus? He is such a weirdo. He apparently has a feud with Elijah Wood that started in 2006. Actor Elijah Wood said that Jared Leto physically accosted him that year. So apparently he gave an interview dissing actors who start bands and at a party, Jared confronted him. And Elijah Wood said that basically he was upset that I didn't like his band, or he said that I didn't like his band.

59:46Sophie Ross:Jared Leto approached him, confronted him, and Elijah Wood started laughing. And Elijah said, I guess he thought I was laughing at him, but I was more shell-shocked in telling people around me, whoa, I just got told off by Jared Leto for not liking his band. And that's when he came back and grabbed me. And how about that time last fall when he drove by a Love Island panel and thought the huge crowd was for him? He has like a God complex. This video is so funny. All these fans are out there like cheering, but it's for Love Island. And he drives by and he's like, thank you. Thank you guys.

1:00:19Christy Noel:No, I just watched it. It's so humiliating. You guys will have our video editor, like put a clip in. It's genuinely so humiliating. He's like popping his head out of the escalade.

1:00:29Sophie Ross:Hey, like, thank you guys so much. I love you.

1:00:33Christy Noel:Like throwing flowers at the fans that aren't there for him.

1:00:36Sophie Ross:So that is basically Jared Leto. He is a huge creep and a huge weirdo. I just, I know that there is a lot and he is just a bad guy. I would say, what are your closing thoughts on Jared Leto Christie?

1:00:54Christy Noel:Unfortunately, everything that I heard about his cult and the luring of young women, And none of this surprises me. I guess I didn't realize the extent of like how he was luring minor girls allegedly. It just makes me so disgusted because I just, again, I think of all my friends' kids, my older friends' kids who are like 20 and they still look like children to me. The fact that 20-year-olds could still look like, to me, 12-year-olds. How could you ever be into a 16-year-old, 17-year-old girl is beyond me. It's predatory. it's I mean is that yeah it constitutes just it's like molestation isn't it I mean yeah if you

1:01:35Sophie Ross:allegedly if you are to believe this stuff there are a lot of really disgusting things that he allegedly did said and yeah it's bad it's not good so I don't know why like that tweet said why do they keep casting him he's not a good actor everything with him bombs he's a creep

1:01:54Christy Noel:and he's weird so yeah he has nothing to offer us so stop supporting 30 seconds to mars if you are i mean who actually listens to that band let's be real besides we crashed i've not seen one work of art from jared leto and i'm happy to say say so even though he's in dallas buyers club and i know that that was like a world-renowned kylie decorated film but no i feel really badly for all of his victims and those in his cult that are lured into this madness. And when you were talking about the echelon thing, it reminded me of the family, Charles Manson, just like these men, these creepy men with this long hair and luring in really troubled people that don't feel like they have a place in life or a home.

1:02:40Christy Noel:And then they get lured into these cults because they feel like they're, they have like a belonging and they're finally feeling, feeling like they're fitting in and people care about them when in fact people are using you.

1:02:48Sophie Ross:Yeah.

1:02:49Christy Noel:Oh, cults are just so scary. And Jared Leto is so scary. Nice job on this one. I definitely need to take a walk after this. Yeah. Very dark. But you did. Yes.

1:02:57Sophie Ross:Thank you. Okay. Well, thank you guys so much for listening. Don't forget to follow us on Instagram at snarkbait pod. I'm at so far underscore Ross. Christy is at Christy Noel underscore underscore. If you enjoyed this episode, please leave us a five-star rating in your review if you do not mind. And thank you to our team, Jordan, Rachel, Olivia, and Kartik. Couldn't do it without them. And thank you, Baby Starks, for listening. We love you. Love you guys so much.

1:03:27Christy Noel:See you on Tuesday.

1:03:28Sophie Ross:Oh, and we have a new episode on Patreon tomorrow, per usual, and that is patreon.com slash darkratepod. So if you want more, or yesterday, I mean yesterday. Yes, yes. Okay, thank you guys for listening. Bye. Bye.

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