What’s the Snark on Joe Burrow’s Love Life? (June 2025 Rerun From Patreon)

26:32The rest of the team just was not good. And again, there are just like whispers that Bengal, that Joe is getting sick of the Bengals front office and that he will eventually demand a trade and he will eventually abandon the small market team to go somewhere bigger, brighter, more successful. That's always a possibility. And I think that Bengals fans, if that happens, which I pray it doesn't, will be devastated. Yeah, yeah. So let's get into his relationship with Olivia Holzmacher, his college sweetheart. So Joe and Olivia met at OSU and started dating around 2017. And they continue to date even after Joe transferred to LSU and into his first few years as a Cincinnati Bengal.

27:13And what was always kind of like notable about the relationship is that Olivia is very normal. Like she's very, she's such a pretty girl, but she's girl next door pretty. You know, she doesn't look like an Instagram baddie with like huge lips and huge boobs. Like she's just like a normal girl. And even when she was with Joe Burrow with his multi-million dollar contract, she was working at Kroger's corporate in Cincinnati. Do you guys have Kroger's? We do. Yeah. I didn't know if it's just a Midwestern thing because we don't have it on the East Coast, but. Yeah, it's like certain parts of California, but it's like owned, I think it owns Safeway.

27:50I don't know if you guys have Safeway too or Ralph's. I've heard of Safeway, yeah. Yeah. Again, like she's very pretty, but she's not, you know, supermodel status or like Haley Steinfeld, like a famous actress. or even an Instagram baddie. She's just a normal girl who liked him before he was rich and famous. So the fact that she's so quote unquote normal and relatable has caused fans to have this mega parasocial relationship with her, especially after their breakup, which we will get to. So if you go to like NFL, what's it called? Wives of NFL is the subreddit. Now there's a, and it started to get overtaken by Joe Burr and Olivia Holtzmacher and Olivia Ponton posts.

28:32So they started another subreddit called Joe Burrow Gossip. People are obsessed with her. Like they love her, the OG girlfriend. Love her. It isn't a situation where it's like, we hate her. She got to date Joe Burrow. Like people love her because she's so normal. Yeah. Is she private on Instagram or public? She is public, but she's not like an influencer. Like she posts, it's actually really cute. She disappeared for a little bit from social media after they broke up. but recently all she posts is plants. It's really cute. Like she's always planting stuff and growing herbs and like baking. Yeah, she's super cute.

29:12I'm on her Instagram, followed by Soph underscore Ross. Yeah, like I follow her and I really enjoy just how normal. I think she ended up moving to Nashville from Cincinnati. Yep, you're right. After they broke up. So, and they were always very private, by the way. Like no one knows a whole lot about their relationship or their breakup. Joe in general is very private about his personal life. Even when they broke up, it was never like announced. And he also never really publicly, like when he became a Bengal, some of this may have been to protect her from like the rabid fans that are obsessed with him, but he never really posted her.

29:48He posted her like in college a little bit, but once he became an NFL player, she was never featured that much on his Instagram, but they were just in general really private. So in early 2024, it was rumored that Joe and Olivia had broken up after around seven years together. They had never announced this officially. There were even like rumors that they'd gotten engaged, but obviously that wasn't true. But it was never like announced. Fans just kind of like, it just kind of became public knowledge eventually. And I actually got word that they broke up. It was like being whispered about, but I got confirmation from my mutuals that I have.

30:29And I tweeted this. I was crying, Sophia, when I was reading the outline. You're so funny. So in April, April 30th, 2024, I tweeted, Joe Burrow is officially a single. And unfortunately, I'm inevitably going to turn into my own club Chalamet when he starts dating a hot young starlet or Instagram model. Club Burrow. That's so fucking funny. And Bengals fans were so mad at me. Like everyone was so mad. They were like, they didn't break up. What are you talking about? You're just making this up. And I was like, okay, just wait and see. Oh, shit. Okay, so you knew the insider tea before it was legit.

31:06I did because of like kind of the mutuals that I have. And I think Bengals fans also took it personally when they broke up because Joe is seen as this kind of like nice small town, hoedunk Midwestern boy. and they're like yeah of course he's going to end up with his college suite or he's just like a nice normal guy he doesn't care about the hollywood baddies and the starlets and like the instagram models but unfortunately as he's gotten more famous and successful a lot of bagels fans have discovered that he's kind of gone hollywood quote unquote and olivia was something that made him seem so down to earth and now he's rich famous successful he literally could be with any woman he wants.

31:48But Bengals fans were kind of convinced that he didn't care about that stuff, that all he cared about was playing football and being this nice Midwestern boy, which obviously is not true anymore. No one knows exactly why they broke up. The obvious assessment is that now that he is rich and famous and attractive, I mean, he's always been attractive, but now that he's rich and famous, he can be with any woman he wants and probably wanted to be single and experience this lifestyle of hooking up with whoever he wants. But others have speculated, and I think that this actually has some truth to it, that Olivia wanted marriage and children, and Joe wants to be a bachelor forever.

32:25He doesn't want a family at all. So kind of the Aaron Rodgers route, I don't think he would want to be a dad. I think that he's just, that's not the lifestyle he wants. And I think Joe, I think there's some truth to it that Joe maybe just does not care about being a dad or being a husband. He just doesn't care about having a family and that. And Olivia was like, okay, well, then I'm done. Yeah, and you've got to respect that. If they realize that they don't want different things, they're still young enough to take separate paths and she can get her happy ending with the family that she deserves.

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38:10I just think it's kind of sad because Olivia loved him when he had nothing. When he was a nobody, Olivia loved him. And that is so hard to find. And that's why, you know, when it comes to a lot of people hate on like Brittany Mahomes, Patrick Mahomes' wife, because she's like really annoying. But I'm like, she loved him when he had nothing. Let her be annoying. Let her be annoying. Can I just be so for real, though? If I were Olivia, his ex, I would just like some part of me would die every time I would see him at an event like the White Party or the Met Gala. And just once he's seen with another woman hand in hand at these carpets, I would die.

38:46That's just horrible. No, I know. Because it's like, how do you get over Joe Burrow? You don't. Like, you literally don't. He's the loss of her life. I know, but he might look at Olivia Holtzbacher the same way. Like he might be like, she is the one that got away, you know? Totally. Because she loved me when I was nothing. Right. It's actually really sad on my like for you page on TikTok. I'll get edits of Olivia and Joe because fans are so obsessed with them still. And it'll be like that Gracie Abrams song that's like, that's just the way life goes. And it's like so sad. I'm like, if I were Olivia and came across these edits, I would crash out.

39:21do you ever think that celebrities do look at their fan edits from their exes with their exes i'm sure i'm sure also i saw a tweet that was like if i were a movie star and had a hot coaster i'd be like yeah you should ship me with that person i would let myself get shipped all the time with like hot celebrities so there's actually this picture that i included on the outline of joe and jamar chase so that's another bangles player and jake paul at michael rubens white party. So this ain't no a hoedunk Midwestern boy anymore. Let me tell you. No, but isn't Jake from Ohio as well? I think so. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

40:02Jake and Logan Paul are from Cleveland. So you know what? We got to stand like two boys just coming from nothing. They made it. So you know what? I will stand this picture even though Jake Paul is nefarious. Yeah. You know what? You got a point. All that's missing is me. The other Ohio legend. Should I Photoshop myself? in the middle over Jamar Chase. Oh my God. That's so funny. Michael Rubin, by the way, Jordan goes Michael Rubin, also nefarious. Fun fact, Henry and I saw Michael Rubin in Bryn Marr in a Philly suburb and we were picking up bagels and he was like picking up bagels, I think at the same time.

40:39And yeah, he's from the main line, Jordan says. And yeah, he's very nefarious as well. Like, why are you letting your teenage daughter like come to your like really gross, scary white party, you know, really gross. They're scary. Like there's, I don't want to be like that. Like, I know that it's not Diddy's thing anymore. I know it's a separate thing, but there's something still where I'm like, there's some bad shit happening. Like Lily Chi and Tobey Maguire. So we're going to touch on some of that. But anyway, Olivia Holtzmacher for her part since the breakup. Again, she mostly just posts her like plans and stuff on Instagram.

41:16And again, she took a long break and then came back and seemingly confirmed the breakup because she had a bookshelf filled with like breakup books. And I want to say one was Jay Shetty's. And can I say we've never received so many DMs. And when I post like when I talk Jay Shetty and everyone's like, he's so deeply dark. Please do an episode on him. Yes. Yes. We do. I think we do need to do a Jay Shetty episode at some point. But again, she's just seems like she's thriving, like baking and with her plants and her little garden. Like she's so wifey. If I were Jober, I'd be like, yeah, that's the one that got away.

41:52Yeah, no. And she seems down to earth, cool, wifey. And I'm curious, is there anyone we can think of that's a huge, big celebrity name, whether in sports, entertainment, that are dating normies? I'm trying to think and rack my brain. Oh, Matt Damon. Matt Damon's wife. Oh, I love that. I love that. Matt Damon's wife, I think, was, I want to say a waitress. when they met and she's always just, but they're, they've been together for obviously like decades now. Um, I think Penn Badgley as well is with them. Yeah. Well, Penn Badgley's wife is Jemima Kirk's sister. So I think that's kind of like a Nepo family.

42:27Like they're kind of like an artsy, like London family. Um, but yeah, let us know you guys, if you can think of someone and yeah, and she's an actress too, I think, but if there's a celebrity you can think of who is with a normie, let us know you know what i was thinking though if i were really really really famous you almost want to be gravitated towards other famous people because you don't think that they're in it for clout like it's a trust thing i understand why people link up with other people that are high power because it's a it's a power dynamic i mean actually i think of ariana grande and ethan gom slater but no her her ex-husband gomez yeah dalton gomez who i bet you that was a large part of why their marriage was frayed because she was largely the breadwinner, a huge celebrity, and he was a nobody.

43:14Well, I think of Timothy and Kylie. I'm like, yeah, it does kind of make sense because they're both like, how can you find someone that relates to that level of fame and attention? And you know that there aren't any, you know, there could be ulterior motives. There could be like, you know, I want attention and PR from dating this person. But at the same time, I feel like it makes sense. Yeah. So who has Joe been linked to since the breakup? At one point he followed and then unfollowed a bunch of OnlyFans models at one point. And his stans are like psychotic. So they notice these things. And I'm like a stan, but I mean like his hardcore, like Swifty level stans.

43:52He is rumored to have been hooking up with OnlyFans model Babydoll Kaylee at Babydoll Kaylee at one point. Demois posted a rumor about him hooking up with going home with one of Brooke Snader's sisters, one of her little sisters. I get them all mixed up, so I cannot tell you which one. Brooke Snader, I want to say hinted to it on a podcast once also, but I tried to find that podcast clip. I saw it on TikTok, I'm pretty sure. I searched high and low. I could not find this clip of her referencing it, but it's like, I think, a known thing that he had hooked up with one of the Nader sisters. He has been linked to some rando named Amy Rodriguez from Vero Beach, Florida, who is also a normie, you guys.

44:35She has like a LinkedIn. She's not. So that's like alleged, but that's someone that allegedly he has been linked to. And then another insider tea that I got from a baddie trigger warning Ryan Bailey listener was that he was allegedly hooking up with a single mom of three in Cincinnati who was recently divorced. and this was a Cincinnati-based follower that I heard this from and word was like going around the country clubs there and DeMoy confirmed that this was a viable rumor that had legs to it. And so again, another normie, like I think he like kind of likes normies, but then he also is linked to non-normies, like we'll get to Olivia Ponton, but at one point he was linked to Olivia Jade.

45:19He loves Olivia's, but I don't think that was actually a thing. I think that they just have mutual friends and they were spotted in a group together. She's not with Jacob Elordi anymore? I don't know what her status is with Jacob Elordi. Because they were together for a while, but you're right, I haven't heard about them in a really long time. Yeah, I don't know what's going on with that. But yeah, that was like, that didn't really have any truth to it as far as I know. But as for his relationship with Olivia Ponton, most famously, let's get into that. So there were rumors about them for a little bit.

45:51So when it came out that they had been hooking up, I was not super surprised because it was something that had kind of been rumored for a while. But she's a TikTok influencer, Olivia Ponton, and it all came to a head, became exposed. Yeah. On December 9th, 2024, when Joe was gone for an away game and his house was broken into. And it was funny. I was in Japan on my honeymoon when this happened. And I remember it vividly. Like this was like such a canon event. And so basically this woman called to report the break-in and was at first introduced as his employee, but then the identity was exposed that this was Olivia Ponton, his employee.

46:35So obviously the story went extremely viral and everyone was freaking out about it. They were like, okay, Olivia Ponton and Joe Burrow, it's official. And she had been also spotted in Cincinnati a few times. So clearly this had been like going on for a little bit. at a Bengals press conference soon after Joe was visibly upset by his personal life becoming public. And like, I understand that he's just an athlete and he doesn't want technically want to be a celebrity. He didn't sign up to be a celebrity. He signed up to play a football game. Sure. Sure. So I understand that, that he is just the super, super, super private guy.

47:10But then at the same time, you're moving like a celebrity because you're going to the Met Gala. You're going to white parties. You're going to Paris Fashion Week. So like, I get that he wants to remain private to some degree, but like, I wouldn't roll my eyes at it as much as if he wasn't fully in the Hollywood scene as much as he is. Those three events that you just rattled off, that's as Hollywood as it gets, baby. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So it's just like, you got to pick a lane because if you're going to move like a celebrity, people are going to treat you like a celebrity and gawk at your love life and be more invested.

47:43But if you really cared about being a private citizen and being private, then you wouldn't show up to the fucking Met Gala, you know? Yeah, absolutely. And it's so interesting because for someone who was so rattled by this December 2024 incident, I mean, at some point you're going to have to realize that your life is now under a microscope, whether you like it or not. So you better lean in and get a good PR publicist, whatever. Like, let's go, baby. You're here. Welcome. Yeah, exactly. And then they weren't really linked together again. So people were speculating that maybe they, he like had dumped Olivia because she also was doing this thing where she was like posting his LSU wristband.

48:23Like she was kind of hinting to the fact that they were together and clearly loving the attention. So people were like, Joe probably hates that because he wants to be kind of more private. But I guess not because they were linked together again during the F1 race weekend in Miami pretty recently when they got out of the same van, but at separate times. And it was kind of embarrassing because it made it seem like he didn't want to be seen with her. 100%. That's yeah. He's like, just count to 10, then go. Yeah. Yeah. It literally was like he counted. Also the morning after the Met Gala in May, they both were spotted separately outside of the Carlisle Hotel.

49:03So Olivia has an apartment in the city also. So it's like you're at the Carlisle for a reason. You wouldn't be at the Carlisle unless you were like hooking up with someone. They've never confirmed or denied their relationship in any way, but it does seem like he's maybe embarrassed by not her, but like just this public spectacle in general and doesn't want to be associated with her. I don't know. It's kind of giving fuck boy. It's kind of sad. Yeah. I would be so devastated because, oh my God, if I were Olivia Ponton, I would be really devastated. TBH. Yeah. And Olivia Ponton, Jordan just asked how old Olivia Ponton age.

49:39She is 23. And then Joe Burrow is, I think, 28. He's 28. Yeah, later 20s. So what's notable about Olivia Ponton is that she runs in the same circle as Lily Chi. We need to do a Lily Chi episode. We do. So Lily Chi is known to be kind of a high-end escort for Tobey Maguire, Leo DiCaprio. Apparently, Leo, and this is all alleged, Leo likes to watch Toby and Lily. And honestly, Toby McGuire, I mean, Leonardo DiCaprio is disgusting, too. They're all disgusting because Lily Chi is literally a college. I mean, she just graduated, but like a college student. Like she graduated this year. It's fucking disgusting.

50:23No, it is. And I don't think Lily Chi is quiet about her escorting either. She'll be very egregious on her TikTok activity if she's like really on a yacht doing yacht girl things. So if Olivia Ponton is hanging out with Lily Chi, even though she may not be a yacht girl, she certainly is surrounding herself with that group. Yeah. We've talked about this before. I'm like, I don't think that I could. And I feel like we talked about this when we were stuck in traffic driving from LA to the OC. I don't think that I could be a sugar baby because my vagina would clench up. My vagina would just go. No, I it really gives me the chills.

51:01OK, so this brings us speaking of Tobey Maguire. Dark. This is dark. So this is when it gets kind of dark. This brings us to the Audrey Gillette of it all. I don't know if I'm pronouncing it right. Sounds right. So he is a longtime tour manager of Guns N' Roses. And he has been liking Olivia Ponton's post for a really long time. He was at an NBA game. Joe Burrow was seen at an NBA game sitting right next to him, and they've been spotted together. It seems like they're like buddy-buddy. I think he also may have been in that van at the F1 Miami race. Okay. So people say he's a pimp because he's a long time.

51:44Oh, and shout out to proper influence 484 on the Joe Burrow gossip for this post, because this is what brought it to my attention. Yeah. People say he's a pimp because he's a longtime associate of Leonardo DiCaprio and Tobey Maguire, members of the notorious Pussy Posse. Self-proclaimed. If you guys don't know what that is, Leo, Tobey, and a couple other like 90s heartthrobs would roll around club hopping in New York City, and they self-proclaimed called themselves the Pussy Posse and they would be girls left, right and center. And it was a thing. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like talking at the Pussy Posse would be a good Patreon episode also.

52:22That's a good idea, Jordan. They were the original Disgusting Brothers. Yeah. So people claim that Andre is the leader and he's also friends with Richie Akiva and Steve from One Oak and Steve Badeas, a DJ. And all three of those men are apparently part of this potential escorting crew. And they're seemingly tight with Olivia based on their social media activity. Andre's apparently the man that introduced Lily Chi to Tobey Maguire. So again, And it's kind of like pimp behavior. And I'm sorry, I'm on Andre Gillette's Instagram. He looks like he could be an escort, like an overseer. Yeah, exactly.

53:10Exactly. So, oh my gosh, wait, this is crazy. Yeah. And so Olivia Ponton and Lily Chi are friends. He introduced Lily to Tobey Maguire, allegedly. And he's been spotted with Joe Burrow a bunch. So it's like, did he introduce Olivia to Joe? It's interesting because it's like you wouldn't think. Ew, he's so scary. He is scary, dude. Yeah, they were spotted in Miami together. Olivia, him and Joe. The three of them, just the three of them. And also people on Reddit notice that Joe always looks kind of high or stoned when he's with Andre. What the fuck? It's just, it's interesting because I feel like Joe, you wouldn't think that he would like need a pimp to be set up with hot young girls.

53:58He probably has at minimum 10 ,000 DMs at any given moment. Yeah. I don't, I don't know, but it's, it's just like, what do you, what do you think of this whole escorting business? I just, I don't know. It's so creepy to me. It is. And the first person I can actually think of who people say is a yacht boy is Zac Efron. Zac Efron, similar to Joe Burrow. I've never heard closeted allegations about him either. But if you are a reader of NT's Crazy Days and Nights, you know that there is this person that he surrounds himself with, that Zac surrounds himself with, named Mohamed Al-Turkey. Yeah. That allegedly pimps Zac out.

54:42And that's why Zac is always on yachts. He was recently in Ibiza last year and he had that crazy pool injury where he was hospitalized and people were alleging he was yachting that weekend and he was heavily intoxicated. That led to his hospitalization. But I see a lot of parallels between Joe Burrow with Andre Gillot and Zac Efron with Mohammed Al-Turkey. And the reason there's a lot of similarities is you have these seemingly straight men that are very, very wealthy that have made oodles and oodles of money doing their own independent endeavors. I just don't understand why someone like Joe or Zach needs Andre or Muhammad.

55:20What is the reason for that? That's what I don't get. That's the why. I know because they're independently successful, good looking. It's like you don't need this. Right. So what is the purpose? I don't know. It like creeps me out. Should I be offended that I've never been like recruited to be a yacht girl? Like, how do you get recruited? No, like I'm asking for a friend. I don't want to work like how I'm working right now. It's tough. I wouldn't want to do the thing where like I have to sleep with them because again, like my vagina would clench up and also I'm married. But yeah, that too. But like the ones that get paid just to like show up on a yacht and like go on extravagant trips with these like old men, like not know.

55:59Sometimes they don't sleep with them. They just are just paid to be there. Right. they're like a pretty face to be photographed on a yacht. But yeah, that's I mean, going back to the Joe Burrow slash Zac Efron thing, it's it's confounding to me. I really don't understand it because these men do not need money. They have money that will last them not just in their lifetime, but generations to come. So I mean, maybe it could be this sounds really dark. Perhaps could it be coercion? See, that's the thing. It's like I Joe is so famously like he private. Like he loves his privacy. And now you're running in circles with people who probably will have dirt on you at some point.

56:39Like they are probably collecting dirt on you that they could expose at any moment. Do you know what I'm kind of thinking of as you're saying this? What? Diddy. Yeah. Diddy had so much blackmail on so many people because he would host these parties and he would have videos of people and he would say, if you speak, I will release this video and everyone will see. So maybe there's a bit of blackmail or coercion involved because again, it doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't make sense. But like, I mean, maybe he genuinely likes Olivia Ponton. I don't know if this is just an escorting situation, but like the fact that she was staying at his house in Cincinnati during an away game, like maybe he genuinely likes her.

57:22Like, I don't know. But the fact that Andre Gillette, this guy, or guille. Do you think it's pronounced like the French way? Guille? Yeah, it's Andre with an I at the end and then the last name is G-I-L-L-O-T. So I don't know how to pronounce it. But the fact that he is involved is just very, I don't know, it seems nefarious. Yeah, I think that's the missing piece. It's one thing to be hanging out with a thoughty TikToker OnlyFans girl. It's a whole other thing to surround yourself with this man who's known to be around yacht girls. I mean, you can't deny that associating yourselves with the likes of Andre Gallet, for Zac Efron to be associating himself with the likes of Mohamed El-Turkey, there's something to be said about that.

58:04Definitely. So we're not just making it up. This is a very, you know. And going to like the white party, a lot of NFL players, a lot of successful NFL players end up being invited to the white party and go to the white party. But he's rubbing shoulders with the white party this past summer or last summer is where I think everyone spotted Lou Lichie and Tobey Maguire for the first time. Yeah. And that blew up headlines. Yeah. So the fact that Joe and famously Tobey Maguire's ex-wife, Jennifer Fisher, I think her name is, came out and was like, he was just helping this drunk girl into a car and everyone was like, shut up.

58:40We know that's not true. We weren't born fucking yesterday, Jenny. No, that was really junior of her to say. I'm like, okay, now you're making it look worse. Just maybe don't say anything. No, exactly. Exactly. So the fact that he was at this white party with the disgusting brothers themselves, the pussy posse. It's just, I don't know. It, it, it makes me sad as not just a Bengals fan, but a Joe Burrow fan, because I want him to ideally stay true to his roots as this nice Midwestern boy. I think we're far past that. I don't think that he's a nice Midwestern boy anymore. I think that he, from what it seems has gone full Hollywood, unfortunately.

59:19I just hope it doesn't affect his ability to play this game that he's so good at. Like, I don't want him to get overtaken with the, I'm going to go yachting with the disgusting brothers in Miami lifestyle. You know, like I want him to focus on the game so that the Bengals can finally win a Super Bowl selfishly. I don't know. It's just, it's kind of sad. It's disappointing. And I think a lot of Bengals fans have been realizing this slowly over the past few years is that he is, he's going Hollywood. Yeah, and I can see why as someone who's followed his career for years now, way before he went all Hollywood, it is probably upsetting.

59:54I would be upset if I saw him with these alleged pimps going all Hollywood and leaving the one that got away. I would be very upset. We miss the old Joe. Come back to us. And again, you guys, people are obsessed with Olivia Holzmacher because of this. because what is more devastating than the girl that potentially got dumped by Joe Burrow and watching him frolic all over the world with supermodels and celebrities? Like it's again, it's got a sting. So, yeah, it's just it's disappointing. I'm sad that they broke up still. Honestly, like I not to be all parasocial, but I really believed in them.

1:00:37I really believe in that relationship. So it's just, it's a little bit disappointing, but it is what it is. I guess that's just what happens. Yeah. I mean, money and fame, unfortunately, will change 99 % of the people that get the opportunity to acquire a lot of money and fame. It's just the way it works. And it's so crazy how you can go from being like just this normal, like backup player at Ohio State to in a matter of just a few years, you're at the Met Gala. It's such a crazy, crazy. Come up, ascension. Ascension, ascension. I was like the opposite of fall from Greece. Yeah, I mean, it's not - Ascension to Greece.

1:01:18Yeah, it's not normal. And I think when you're hit with so much exposure in such a short amount of time, you're probably just trying to like keep your head above water. And maybe he's just surrounding himself with the people that are gravitating towards him. And he's just like, cool, you seem cool. Come into my circle. You seem cool. Come into my circle. Yeah. So. I just hope that he has people around him that know him and love him for him. And aren't, I'm acting all maternal. Joe Burrow needs to worry about like, you know, people taking advantage of him. But like, maybe, maybe he does. Yeah. I mean, you need those people to ground you.

1:01:57and I think certain celebrities that have maintained normalcy throughout their career, I think of actually Sabrina Carpenter is a good example. I feel like she still keeps her best friends close to her. I can Hillary Duff, I feel like has maintained like normalcy. It seems like she has a really strong family unit. But do you know if Joe Burrow is really close with his family? Is are they like kind of ground a grounding force? I think so. I think that he is. And I know that also he was recently at look up Sam Hubbard. If you haven't seen Sam Hubbard is another so fucking hot football player. He just retired from the Bengals and he is also a Cincinnati.

1:02:34He's from Cincinnati, played in Ohio State with Joe. So him and Joe have been very, very, very close for years. And he was just recently at his wedding with a bunch of his Ohio State friends. So I hope he still has those old longtime friends. He's not just hanging out with Tobey McGuire and Leo DiCaprio all the time, you know? Yeah. Oh, my God. Jesus Christ. Joe Burrow is so fine. I'm just on this article. And he's playing golf with Kendall Jenner's boyfriend, Devin Booker. Yeah. He just for the past several years has been just running around constantly with celebrities. Yeah. And that's just that's what happens.

1:03:10I also don't think it happens to the players that aren't that aren't like truly amazing players. I think that part of the reason that he's ascended like this is because he's so genuinely good. Like you said, Jimmy Garoppolo, you could argue was like the hot, the hot guy of the NFL for a couple of years, but he wasn't very good. So it's like, no one really cared about him that much. He wasn't like running around with Devin Booker or like whoever it was, but the fact that Joe is so talented too, he's just like such an it boy. So it's going to have, it's kind of inevitable that he would start like getting this famous and getting this much attention.

1:03:43But again, as a Bengals fan, it makes me, it makes me feel protective over him. Yeah, no, I totally understand why now, like it makes a lot of sense. him at dinner with Sam Hubbard. And I'm just like, he's so hot. I know that this picture, Sam Hubbard is so hot too. So like ticked Swifties on TikTok are obsessed with ever just like hot white guy in the NFL, but especially Joe, Sam Hubbard and Nick Boza. Yeah. Nick Boza is cute too. People are obsessed with Nick, even though he's like a psychopath. Yeah. But I guess that's about it, you guys. This was like a fun, very personal one for me. So I hope you enjoyed learning about Joseph Lee Burrow, the man, the myth, the legend.

1:04:29Did you did you enjoy your little football lesson, Christy? Yeah. Thanks so much for taking me on the ride with you today. It was really enlightening. And now I'm going to go down a rabbit hole on this Andre Gallat. Yes. Character. I think the Pussy Posse will be a really good Patreon episode. Yeah. I did a Leo episode on X knows all. And then I went down like a full rabbit hole on Pussy Posse. But I think it's time for us to revisit. Yeah. I agree. I agree. Okay. Great. You guys. Thank you so much for listening. Thank you so much for being patrons. It truly means the world to us. We can't even tell you how much it means.

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