What’s the Snark on Kristin Cavallari?

25:37Network for a while to have a reality TV show of her own, which later unfolded to be Very Cavallari, which was born in April of 2018. But at that point, she'd really been out of the game for nearly eight years because, again, she had married Jay Cutler. They had had three kids. Did you watch Very Cavallari? I actually did. I barely remember it, but yeah. Yeah, that's when Shannon Ford came onto our screens for the first time. Yep, as Shannon Ford was born. And unfortunately, lame to go along with that. Yeah, yeah. But people really were interested in the show because I think more so for Jay, because Jay Cutler, we'd only seen him on the football field, but people loved his dry sense of humor and they felt as if he showed very little enthusiasm to be on the show and it showed like her and you juxtapose Kristen's extreme desire to be back in the spotlight and Jay had just retired from football and he just did not want to be there at all.

26:28The show ran for three seasons from 2018 to 2020 and Kristen also made an appearance on The Hill's New Beginnings which honorable mention to that show me and my roommate and SF were obsessed with The Hill's New Beginnings. It was so bad. It was so bad. I was obsessed with Misha Barton season one. I loved it. It was so bad. I think I remember I watched. Were there more than one? There were two seasons? Yep. Oh, my God. I don't even think I watched the second season because the first season was so bad. But I was so excited when this was announced, obviously, as like a Hill super fan. Yeah. Because this was kind of peak COVID as well.

27:02So we had nothing to do but watch these shows. No, I was obsessed. Yes. Interestingly enough, my best friend ran into Justin Bobby at a restaurant in Orange County like a couple, probably a year ago. And he's just doing the same old shit. He was reaching out to my friend saying, hey, I do cuts and colors off of PCH in Huntington Beach if you want to come see me. Justin Bobby. Oh, my God. But she said he had that spark that we all saw. Oh, my God. And remember when she had a love triangle with Justin Bobby and Audrina? Of course, which she later admits was very fake and put on for the show. She says, listen, Justin Bobby and I never dated.

27:36She's like, he was cool to hang. out with and I thought he was hot, but like we never actually dated. It was fully for the show. Same with her relationship with Brody Jenner when they were supposedly dating, but he had a girlfriend the entire time. That was Jade. I think that was that Playboy model. Jade. God, I know way too much. What a time. Way too much. What a time. She's done a lot of endeavors outside of reality TV. So in 2016, she released a lifestyle memoir called Balancing in Heels. Two years later, her cookbook, True Roots, and she later went on to publish a couple other cookbooks as well.

28:05In 2022, she reunited with Stephen Coletti for her weekly podcast with Dear Media called Back to the Beach, where they would recap episode by episode from seasons one to season two. I loved this podcast. I would listen to it every morning when it released. Did you listen to Back to the Beach? I didn't. Were you like rewatching it with them? No, because my recollection was still so strong that I knew exactly what episode they were referring to, unfortunately and pathetically oh my god that's so funny and a year later after back to the beach wrapped she launched her own solo podcast called let's be honest with kristen cavallari offering unfiltered advice personal stories and this is kind of where she lost me i remember thinking okay i loves the back to the beach format i loved hearing her reminisce on like nostalgic shows that i love but i don't know i just i think her i don't want to sound ageist when i say this but it's like you're in your late 30s you have three children and I think a lot of her desire to talk about her hookups stems from maybe a desire or some a behavior that she would have exhibited in her 20s like a lot of what she talks about is things that I would talk about when I was like 23 24 living in a city hooking up being crazy and wild I feel like because she got married so young yeah Lauren had kids so young she wasn't able to live that young 20 something crazy life so now she's kind of living it in her mid to late 30s.

29:23But it's not that I'm judging her necessarily. It's more so I cannot relate to the things you're saying anymore. I just find it to be a little bit of a tired shtick. I think that's so true because she was young. She was like, I think, 25 or 26 when she married Jay Cutler, which is young. Yeah. And then popped out a bunch of babies. She didn't really get to have that wild child. And that's why she's so obsessed with her like dating stories and kissing and telling and saying, yeah, Morgan Wallet is good in bed and all the stuff that reads very immature. And also she has these children now that are old enough to know what she's talking about.

29:55They're not babies. They know now that their mom had sex with Morgan Waller or whatever, which again, nothing wrong with that. It's just weird to put that out there now at her age. I guess I don't know that sounds ageist, but it's, you know what we're saying though, you guys like just being in your at 38 years old, it's a little bit odd to have to be such a public figure and be so public about your hookups and your dates when you have kids that are old enough to understand and read on their iPads what you're saying about the sex you had last night when you came home from your date. It is a little weird.

30:26Again, I don't want to seem ages, but we've all had those convos, but certainly not at the age she's at. Over the last two years with her deal with Dear Media, she's done very well for herself as it pertains to her podcasting endeavor. So she recently signed a multi-seven-figure deal with Dear Media this month, actually. Oh, my God. And she's featured guests over the last two years, including Travis Kelsey, who allegedly she has hooked up with. And she was like super blatant on her show when she had him on. I've seen this clip when she goes, I had the biggest crush on you when you were on Catching Kelsey.

31:00Wait, that's a good impression of her. That's such a good impression. Yeah, I'm trying to emulate you in theater. Thank you. Thank you very much. My Austin Butler impression. It's so spot on. But yeah, she allegedly did hook up with Travis Kelsey. which is so funny now because he's just his star power has just exceeded why do we know we know every single person she's had sex with we have and she leans into it and i feel like she uses justin as her mouthpiece and we'll get into the justin of it all because he's very much enmeshed in all of her drama with the southern charm boys and everything like that but she uses justin as a vehicle to unearth all of her hookups like do you remember that suspect's challenge on tiktok Yeah, yeah, yeah.

31:42She used that challenge as a way to divulge everyone she's like. What did she what did she say? Or what was the caption? Justin Anderson admitted that she had hooked up with Jason Statham, that she had hooked up with Morgan Wallen. Those hookups were because of that challenge. She needs to stay away from Jason Statham. He is happily married to Rosie Huntington-Whiteley. They've been married for years now or. Yeah, they've been married for years now. They have multiple children together. What do we even do? I don't know. I just feel like that's so disrespectful. Like he is a husband now. Stop. He doesn't want to be included in this narrative, Kristen.

32:17Yeah. And I feel like she, like, thinks it's brag worthy. She's like, I am so hot that I have hooked up with all of these hot, like, I've hooked up with this movie star. I've hooked up with an NFL player. It's like something that she brags. It's a point of pride for her, which is so interesting. Again, at her age. It's like you're I think that you're you're too mature for that. I feel like your confidence should come from within, not from who you've hooked up with. No, I think that's completely spot on. And we always hear people that got famous are stuck at the maturity level that they were when they got.

32:52Yeah. Yep. You got famous when she was 17 years old, when Laguna Beach season one started and she became a star. The way that she behaves is that of a 17 year old. I don't mean this shadily either. Like, let's be real. It's true. Didn't she also hook up with Tyler Cameron? Yes. We'll get into all of her hookups in a bit. Don't you worry. In 2025, she kicked off a podcast tour. She went to five cities, Chicago, Atlanta, Boston, and New York. I think she did two shows in one of the cities, but excuse me, four-city tour. And it ended up being recorded for a docuseries, Ani, again, after Very Cavallari ended.

33:25She's now pushing out Honestly Cavallari, the headline tour, which premiered June 5th of this year. Did you watch this? No, I absolutely did not. Did you? Of course I did. Christy, for the record, you guys, Christy has not seen The Dark Knight, American Psycho. You'll hear about this next week on our episode, but Sophie is shocked. She's like, you literally watch horrible things. Wait, I mean, I've just never met someone who hasn't seen The Dark Knight. But she's like, yeah, I watch Honestly Cavallari, the headline tour, colon, the headline tour. Honestly Cavallari, colon, the headline tour. Thank you.

34:01Who the fuck is watching this shit, Christy? This is what I'm saying. Like my brain is full of useless reality TV information. I can recite like every Laguna Beach episode. Could I tell you any like Oscar worthy film that I've seen in the last decade? Absolutely not. I think Kelly Laguna Biatch posted a clip from Laguna Beach the other day. Do you know what I'm talking about? Of the fashion show where Lauren was like, put her makeup on. Jessica, you are sitting on so many laps right now. Yeah, you're sitting on everyone's laps. And then she finds out that Jason kissed. I saw you kiss her. No, I'm telling you, Like I could recite that entire scene.

34:36Yep. When they're underground in that like weird parking structure. Yeah. And in early 2026, Kristen's going to be part of a revival for Laguna Beach that's set to be on the Roku channel. And they were in Laguna like I think two weeks ago filming. The reunion. It's the reunion. Yeah. God, if I had been there. They were on the beach in Laguna. I was like, shit, I should have just showed up. Yeah. I can't believe you didn't. I know. With the weather lately, I feel like I'm always out and about doing things. Errands, workouts, beach days, you name it. And when summer hits, I am always reminded that I need clothes that can actually keep up with all of that.

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39:51And she got unreasonably, irrationally upset with him on stage for outing this. And it's like, move on. You're constantly talking about how everything is contrived. You've been on reality TV for 20 plus years. You know how this shit works. Why are you so upset about Talon being forced to ask you to prom for a storyline? Yeah, like, why is that surprising? You know how reality TV works. Also, it's like, I love how just her entire persona is peaked in high school. And she, like, embraces it. Yes. And she was like, how could you, how could Talon say that? I'm just sick of men. Like, okay, I'm not going to do this accent anymore.

40:28But she's like, I'm sick of men riding my coattails and, like, using my name and likeness to put me down. Do you see Travis Kelsey or Jason Statham using her name and likeness to be like, yeah, I have clout because I hooked up with Kristen Cavallari. She's the one that uses men's name and likeness for clout. I'm sorry. Great point, actually. Pot, kettle, black. Yeah, yeah. Oh, my God. And also, like, the whole Peaked in High School thing, it's not entirely her fault because the only reason she's famous is because she got cast on a reality show when she was freaking 17 years old. So obviously, it's just she's kind of a sad individual, in my opinion.

41:10I don't disagree. And she constantly tells the same stories over and over to reignite the headlines. So for instance, that story about the Birkenberg, she's told, I can't even tell you how many interviews. And another story she always tells is, speaking of Talon, when Talon was coming up, do you remember when he was dating like everyone? He was dating Nicole Scherzinger of the Pussycat Dolls. He dated Lindsay Lohan. But I thought Talon was so cute. Oh, he was. He's like a king on TikTok. Like he's so funny. I love following him. But Kristen loves to recount the story of when she would visit Talon in LA because he never finished high school.

41:45Talon actually left Laguna Beach, moved to LA to pursue like the music and acting gig. And Kristen and Alex H. would visit him in LA. Like they would ditch school to go and hang out with Talon. And she said at this time when he was dating Lindsay Lohan, Lindsay Lohan caught – she broke into Talon's home and caught Kristen and Talon in bed together. and Kristen says, we weren't hooking up. I was fully clothed. Lindsay freaked out. She went downstairs in the kitchen and started throwing dishes. I'm screaming at your Kristen impression because it's so good. But she, I'm telling you, she tells a story all the time about how Lindsay looks.

42:18She's like, Hollywood's crazy, dude. You tell the story all the time. Oh my God, she's so annoying. She's not like other girls, Sophie. She's not. A pick me. Yeah. And in 2005, she dated Matt Leinart, who if you remember from season two when she comes back when steven comes back to laguna beach after leaving sf state she's like me and steven are done i'm dating this new usc guy she dated brodie jenner for real for a bit for a year even pre the hills when either of them were on the hills and of course she would later play brodie's girlfriend on screen which we know to be scripted she also dated nick lachey obviously in 2006 this is rumored but after nick's very public divorce from wife Jessica Simpson at the time post newlyweds.

43:02Kristen was 19 and there were photos of them papped leaving a date. Kristen later admitted that she downplayed the story at the time just to escape the media glare. But it was her first time, she said, dealing with a level of media scrutiny that she was not used to. And she lost friends in all this because one of her friends allegedly sold a picture of Jessica Nick to the tabloids, which betrayed her trust, obviously. And in 2006 to 2007, she dated Nick Zano. Do you remember him from What I Like About You? No, but I'm looking him up. He starred alongside Amanda Bynes, super hot. Oh, yeah. Yes, yes.

43:38She had Nick Zano's initials tattooed on her wrist, but she got the initials removed after they broke up in 07. She was rumored to date Chris Evans in 2008. And then 2010 to 2020, obviously she got married to Jay Cutler. They were together for 10 years, married, divorced, three kids. After her divorce from Jay Cutler, she dated Jeff Dye, the comedian. Do you remember this? This was very recent. I do remember this. Yeah. This was a moment. Yes. They were spotted kissing in Chicago in late 2020, but they were like casually dating long distance. And they even said, I love you to one another on an IG live in Jan 2021.

44:14But insiders of her say it wasn't really serious but remember that whole debacle when she talks about a story that she had she was supposed to go on a date with jeff die he ended up being late he got arrested for a deal you know he had gotten into an accident he left the scene of the crime and went to go meet kristin for coffee and she said that he reeked of alcohol she said this on her podcast and the court later used that clip from her podcast against him for his DUI hearing. Oh, wow. Yeah, which is kind of fucked up. Jeff said we didn't really even daze. She made me think I had a chance, but she treated me like a little puppy.

44:52In 2020, she was seen with a Southern Charm Boys kind of around the same time as she was dating Jeff. People were theorizing that maybe she was dating Austin Kroll. And you have to remember, this was still around the time that him and Madison were a bit off and on. Yeah. And there was a live that had gone up of Austin. I remember when this happened. Austin, Craig, Justin and Kristen dancing around. I think Justin's living room. They seem to be on some kind of upper just based on my observation. Yeah. But people were like, oh, is Kristen hooking up with Austin? Is she hooking up with Craig? And we later always we know now that she had been hooking up with Craig.

45:26But there was some confusion as to which man of Southern charm she was involved with. in 2021, she dated Chase Rice. Remember his whole debacle on The Bachelor with Victoria Fuller? Okay. Yes. But also I know him from Survivor because he was on Survivor. No way. Yeah. He was runner up, if I recall correctly, which is funny. And he was like, I just want to be a singer. What year was this? Oh my God. So Chase Rice was on Survivor in 2010. Oh, okay. Wow. That's a while ago. So even before his country career started to blossom. He just wanted to be a singer, you know? In 2022 to 2023, she had like a brief relationship with Morgan Wallen.

46:06And this was already rumored to have been a thing on Dumas and Reddit for a while. And during an appearance on Watch What Happens Live, Kristen declined to reveal the identity of the celebrity she had gone on a date with. But the one thing she kept saying was, my friends and I are, I mean, excuse me, my kids are huge fans. She's so annoying. So fucking annoying. She loves the attention. Yeah. She finally confirmed late 2024 that they had, in fact, dated in that TikTok suspect challenge. And speaking of the Jason Statham, this is how they admitted it. Justin Anderson said suspect's hottest hookup that she's never told anyone about was with Jason Statham.

46:41My God. Once again. No one asked. No one asked. On Bunny XO's podcast called Dumb Blonde, when speaking of her relationship with Morgan Wallen, she goes, he's a fuck buddy. she said that wallen is a good guy with a big heart but he's been with every woman on the planet and she goes on their first date he kissed me in the rain it was the sweetest thing but she goes he didn't hurt my feelings but i'll be honest with you he was the first he was the first guy in my fucking life that wasn't just completely enamored with me it really threw me i love having the upper hand and i love feeling like i i felt like i didn't have the upper hand like we get it every guy is in love with you kristen yeah yeah yes oh wait that's literally her way of being like Guys are usually obsessed with me.

47:22Yeah. Like we already see it on the screen, Kristen. We know. Later that year also with Tyler Cameron, they did a steamy Uncommon James campaign where they were making out in this photo and it was of course released on Valentine's Day. And I'll give this to Kate, almost like Caitlin, to Kristen. She knows how to mark the hell out of herself and she will attach herself to any guy if it means selling more product. And the man of that hour in 2023 was Tyler Cameron. It kind of still is Tyler Cameron, but now he's - Is it? We should actually do a Tate. Is that her name? Yeah. We should do an episode on them.

47:54They're like really nefarious. Yeah, there's something interesting about them. But it's funny because I feel like Tyler Cameron, he was on The Bachelorette in what? Was it 2020? 2019? Before then. I was still living in SF at that time, so it had been pre-2020. Hannah Brown. I'm going to look this up. Hannah Brown's season of The Bachelorette. Yeah, 2019. And so everyone was obsessed with Tyler Cameron. And then, I don't know. I feel like he's kind of washed up by now. Do people still care about him? Let us know. You're right. He's not as relevant, but he's still hot. And she just loves to kind of, she attaches on to what she knows.

48:29Yeah. So in 2024, she went public with 24 year old member of the Montana boys, Mark Estes. She was 37 at the time. And I just can't get over it. When she, she's 13 years, 13 years older than him. So when she was filming season two of Laguna, he was five. Oh my God. It's just so weird to think about them. I remember she hard launched them. And I remember thinking, who is this guy? And this was very controversial because of the age difference. But she says that Mark was the best boyfriend she'd ever had. They would engage in a lot of PDA in their brief seven-month relationship. But by October of 2024, she announced that they had split.

49:07She said that the 13-year age gap was too much. And she knew long-term they wouldn't be able to be sustained. when she confirmed the breakup on one of the Unwell tours in Austin, Texas. I remember watching a podcast episode of them together and she was, I forgot the premise of it, but it was like drink or answer the question or take a shot. And I could tell they were both getting kind of toasty and you could tell physically just watching the video episode how uncomfortable he was and how she would say, don't you want more babies? And he was like, I guess, like I'm 24. you could tell they were not on the same page.

49:44So it was painfully obvious that she was more into him than he was into her. And when they broke up a couple of weeks after that podcast episode aired, I felt like that had something to do with it. That he, that he had been the one to call it off. She says it was her, but I feel like. Of course she would. Right. But I'm like, I don't know, based on that podcast episode alone, it seemed they were very much on different pages. She was ready to get married and he was not, obviously. Nick Lachey, obviously. so in this year she was actually linked to a former nhl hockey player nate thompson who was a more appropriate age against her he is 39 but she said she wouldn't reveal who he was she just said he's an ex-hockey player he's been retired for a couple of years now he's a dad he's someone who's done a lot of work on himself we've really connected on such a deep level he's one of the deeper relationships that i've had especially in such a short amount of time but nate thompson actually addressed their split on his own podcast saying she's a cool person.

50:41We had a good time. Life is going to life. Didn't work out. So let's talk about her marriage to Jay Cutler. They were first introduced in 2010 after Jay saw Kristen on TV and he had his agent set them up. And I'm also curious like how frequent this happens when one celebrity's team wants to hook them up with another person. They get their teams involved. That probably happens all the time. I feel like that happens all the time. I feel like Taylor's touching Travis Kelsey. Yes, exactly. So according to Kristen, they hit it off almost instantaneously. She says, we hung out two nights later and that began a swift and intense romance.

51:13And I flew back to Chicago at least every two weeks. And after just eight months of dating, Jay proposed in April of 2011. But by July 2011, Kristen got cold feet and she called off the wedding. And she said, at that moment, I knew something wasn't right. A few things needed to change. And I knew the only way Jay would see how serious I was, was if I ended the relationship. And she later cited from my recollection from her interviews that at the time in 2011, when they broke off their first engagement, Jay was really into Kristen being like a homemaker and being a stay at home mom, like kind of like into those like general heteronormative roles.

51:49But Kristen was more like, I want to continue pushing my career along. And I think that's why they ultimately ended up breaking up the first time. But I think, honestly, when she got her second wind of fame once very cavalry started and jay had just retired she was getting super frustrated because she's like you're retired and all you're doing is sitting around he had promised her that he was going to be a part of like a fox news endeavor he was going to be some kind of like newscaster for fox news that didn't end up panning well so when his career is kind of dimming down hers is skyrocketing back up and i really feel like the reason that they broke off their first engagement was very much the reason why they broke up the second time nothing had really changed.

52:26But they had three children together. Their first, Camden, born in 2012. Their second, Jackson in 2013, or 2014. And then Sailor, their daughter, in 2015. There was a lot of drama about Kristen Cavallari and her co-star, Kelly. And there was a lot of - On Barry Cavallari. Yes. There was a lot of cheating rumors. Yes. I remember this, actually. season three where according to kristen kelly there were some rumblings around town that kelly and jay had had a relationship and during when they were still married and according to kristen kelly had only reached out to her to talk about production schedules and kristen also thought that kelly had handled the cheating rumors very poorly on social media kristen said that kelly tried to post something about the gossip and kept bringing up jay on twitter but she was like adding more fuel to the fire.

53:18And Kristen was kind of theorizing, are you trying to generate a storyline for yourself to stay on the show? Like, what's going on here? She felt as if Kelly was prioritizing the fame and the show over their friendship. And she's like, why do you keep posting about that? To get more attention about it? If I was accused of having an affair with your husband, I wouldn't be saying his fucking name on social media. Come on. Kristen said, instead of Kelly owning her side of it and being like, oh, I'm sorry. That was never my intention. She kept giving me more pushback and she would get really defensive about the claims.

53:47And pretty much Kristen alleged that Kelly stopped responding to her altogether. And to add even more fuel to the fire, when Kristen and Jay had announced their divorce in May of 2020, Kelly had posted a photo of a man on her Instagram story. I think it was like of an arm and people suspected is that man's arm, Jay Cutler, because the bracelets on this arm looked very similar to Jay's bracelets. But Kelly was like, no, no, no. This man was actually a boyfriend of mine who's a very private person. Don't worry. It's not about Jay. Kristen said that she tried to reconcile this relationship with Kelly through email.

54:21Like she wrote her this long email about how hurt she was. But Kelly didn't want to take part and own any part of her wrongdoing in the situation. And that's when they stopped being friends, which is quite juicy for TV, if you ask me. I don't know if what you remember. Yeah. Like if you can add anything to this from your viewing of the show. I mean, I barely remember the show, honestly. But I do remember this happening. And yeah, that was scandalous. For sure. And when Jay and Kristen had divorced in the first few months of their filing, there were a lot of disputes over money and custody of the children.

54:52And Kristen allegedly accused Jay of trying to freeze their assets. And she had filed legal documents claiming that he was refusing to let her buy him out of their Nashville home that they shared. They later resolved the issues privately. But my God, I feel like it's interesting because Jay has so much money from the NFL. But Kristen also, if she was smart with her money, she's been doing this for decades. She probably has a lot of money, too. But I'd imagine just like at a high level, Jay probably had more money. Yeah, definitely. Definitely. And when you have two people that are very famous that both have money, it's like, what is spousal support?

55:26What would the alimony look like? I'd imagine it gets messy. Yeah. Yes. In divorce filings, Kristen accused Jay of marital misconduct, which led to a lot of speculation. What kind of misconduct? And at the time, tabloid sources said that the breakup was due to Jay's unmotivated and lazy attitude after retiring from professional sports. But finally, the couple settled their divorce in 2022 with an agreement to share joint custody of the kids. And they were amicable for a while. Kristen posted on Instagram for Father's Day. She called Jay the best dad on her caption. But in 2023 to 2025, that's when things started to heat up again against these two.

56:03In 2024, Kristen called Jay a pathological liar with zero fucking consistency in a December 2024 dumb blonde interview. She said she was tired of people thinking that her success post-divorce was thanks to Jay's football money. And on her podcast or on Honestly Cavalier, that docuseries this year, she answered questions about her divorce. And she said, listen, Jay did not fund a penny towards Uncommon James. She said, I never got a penny from my ex-husband. I didn't get any money from our divorce. So let's just clear that up. And Jay clapped back on his own podcast. He's, whoa, whoa, whoa. He's like, you're fully lying about this divorce settlement.

56:39He says, you can go and see how much I made in the NFL. It's online. You can see the contract from year to year and the total amount at the end of the 12 years. He had earned approximately$130 million during his 12-year NFL stint. He said, listen, it's irresponsible. It's reckless. I think it's borderline slander to insinuate that there was$0 split during this marriage that each side got. He said that Uncommon James was a marital asset because it was created during the union. him. Yeah. He said that, listen, no Tennessee court would have ever approved a zero payment divorce knowing the amount of money I made.

57:08Yeah. I kind of agree with Jay. A hundred percent. This is very irresponsible for her. A hundred percent. Oh, my God. And yeah, the fact that, OK, first of all, Kristen definitely had good money, but Jay had NFL quarterback money. So we're talking over a hundred million dollars worth of assets and there are kids involved. She is airing this out publicly. It's so messy. It's so, like he said, irresponsible and reckless. Like, it's just so bizarre. And also when they got divorced and she cited he was lazy and unmotivated, it's like he's retired now. He gets to retire. He spent years, and not to side with douche lord Jay Cutler.

57:49I'm not like a Jay Cutler fan, but it's like, sure. He spent years working really hard. Like NFL players, even though they get paid a lot of money to seemingly work for only a portion of the year, they work extremely hard. They get beat up. They literally are slowly killing themselves with CTE. He deserves to be done working. He deserves it. What do you mean he's lazy and unmotivated? What do you want him to do? Get like a desk job? Right, right. And it's it's almost to the point where she would say, oh, you know, after he retired, he would just be playing with our kids or going to the farm and managing the chickens.

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1:00:22He was arrested in Franklin for a DUI, gun possession, failure to exercise due care, and violation of implied consent law. He rear-ended another car and allegedly tried to flee the scene. He offered to pay the driver 2K if he did not call the police on him. He was visibly drunk. They found two guns in his truck, one with a loaded pistol. what do you need a loaded pistol in your car for that's really scary crazy he pleaded guilty to one count of misdemeanor dui while prosecutors dismissed his weapon possession charge upon forfeiture of the gun can you imagine if this were a black man oh it would be like decades in prison it is very fucked up but because he's a handsome wealthy white wealthy man yeah lee of course he's gonna get off with a 350 dollar fine and his license revoked what other consequence would there be.

1:01:09Kristen addressed this DUI on the pod in October of 2024, saying, I do, of course, wish Jay nothing but the best. And I do hope that he gets the help that he needs. But that's the only thing I will be saying publicly about it. So let's talk about her controversies, her anti-vax. You have to remember when she's been really, really blatant about her anti-vaccination rhetoric, it was before the Trump administration. And I think if she were to make these claims today, we will be having a very different story about Kristen, I think. But I think people have kind of forgotten about it. But in 2014, she said that she would not vaccinate her children in a Fox business interview.

1:01:41And later she doubled down on this on Watch What Happens Live. She said that she had read too much about alleged links between vaccines and autism and was following her mother's intuition and not immunizing her kids. She said, quote, I've read too many books about autism and there's some scary statistics out there. I'm just a mom. I'm trying to make the best decision for my kid. It's so stupid. So dumb. Crickets, dot, dot, dot. Sure, Jen. In 2016, when Trump was in the U.S. presidential race for the first time and there was that infamous Access Hollywood tapes that were released about grabbing by the pussy.

1:02:15Yeah. She said on Sirius XM, I actually do think that guys talk like that. They do. However, obviously, as a woman, as a mother, I don't want to hear that. However, guys are kind of sleazy and they do talk about that stuff. Some of my girlfriends even talk like that. It's like, okay, Kristen, you could say that shit in private. Don't say that on a public radio show. What are you saying? So stupid. Shut up. She could really just benefit from having a filter. Yes. She also suggested that Trump may have been justified in thinking that he could treat women in the matter that he described. She says, obviously, guys with power and money, they kind of can get any girl, unfortunately.

1:02:51I mean, girls do throw themselves at these guys, and so they kind of do whatever they want, which isn't necessarily okay. But I do think that they kind of can talk like this and it happens more than we think. Oh my God. And she says that one of her two youngest sons would probably grow up to talk just like Trump. She said, I would probably slap my sons across the face if she heard them talking like Trump though. Like, okay, that doesn't make it any better. This is kind of a little out of line, I think, but it's worth calling out. So in July 2016, she posted an Instagram picture of her two sons playing on the beach and they looked just like very thin, like just small frames.

1:03:25and commentators were accusing her of starving her children because they looked very, in their words, like emaciated, very skinny. And she clapped back saying, Yep, I starve my children. Just blocked the most people I've ever blocked in my entire life. Happy fourth. Ha ha ha ha ha. And she says, My family eats a very healthy diet, no processed toxic foods, and her kids inherited her own lean figure. And she says that I'm the kind of person that does not eat any toxic chemicals. I just try to eat real food. I can look really skinny and I don't like that look. So yes, I'm drinking protein shakes.

1:03:56I'm trying to put on muscle and I'm lifting very heavy weight now. She's just like leaning in very much to what I'd say today is like a maha type of. Oh, hasn't she said publicly that she doesn't use sunscreen? She doesn't believe in sunscreen and she thinks sunscreen is more toxic than the sun. So she has encouraged her podcast listeners and probably I'm sure doesn't use sunscreen on her children. It's very dangerous. Do not listen to Kristen Cavallari. And the scary part is she has so many millions and millions of followers and women that do follow her advice. I can totally see a very malleable woman listening to her saying, well, if Kristen Cavallari doesn't put sunscreen on her kids, she looks great for her age.

1:04:33I shouldn't wear sunscreen now that she has kids. And especially if you're like, I know like white, fair people are more susceptible to skin damage. Like that's incredibly dangerous. You can literally die. Yeah. Skin cancer. It's so irresponsible. On 9-11-2019, Kristen posted a picture of herself to Instagram in New York City with a plunging black dress with the caption, NYC for 24 hours and what a time to be here, da-da-da, always remember. And people were immediately outraged because they're like, what kind of picture of this? It's a sexy, it's like a sexy thirst trap picture. Yes. And it's like a plunging neckline.

1:05:11Her boobs are kind of showing. And people were like, what? This is such poor taste. And it turned out, according to Kristen, that she didn't write the caption. An employee on her social media team had posted it without her approval. I think it's so ridiculous when these D-list reality stars act like they don't run their own social media. You're not Angelina Jolie. You're not Leonardo DiCaprio. Yeah. Give me a break. Your whole job is to be on social. Yeah, I do not believe that for one second. But that's always how they shift blame, you know? Right. If Rachel posted anything on our behalf, if it's something that we didn't agree with, I wouldn't be like, well, Rachel did it.

1:05:49No, everything that comes from our account is approved by us. And it would be really unheard of for someone managing the social account of a reality star, which that's not even a thing, I feel like. I'm sorry. I'm just going to say it. No, she's lying. I think she's lying. These reality stars run their own social media accounts. Totally agree. And she even went so far as to say, oh, you know, I fired the employee who wrote it. okay is that employee in the room with us right now like that's that employee doesn't exist i love how she can be like i fired them they did not exist hoomst yeah yeah she's acting she did the right thing and did a really hard thing by firing them they didn't exist no my god let's talk about the southern charm and madison la croix feud so again as i talked about she was seen parting with with the southern charm boys austin said to us weekly in october of 2020 she came to town with her friend Justin and the four of us with Craig had dinner we had all been in contact ever since we're in this big old group chat and the group is active we had a blast with them and I'm going to take a trip to them to see them in Nashville sometime soon and that next month Madison leaves a comment on Jay Cutler's photo that he had taken with Shannon Ford and says see y 'all soon and people were like oh my god that's so messy Madison's inserting herself into this Kristen Cavallari Jay Cutler drama because we all know Kristen hates Shannon she He obviously is in this messy divorce with Jay.

1:07:07And now Madison, who's exes with Austin, who Kristen's hanging out with, is inserting herself. It's like this spider web of just chaos and hookups. Oh, God. And Madison LaCroix replied to a comment by Celebs post about Austin's remarks saying, Trust me, if he was with her, he wouldn't be sending me songs at midnight. Bless. Oh, my God. In December of that year, Austin and Craig spend a weekend at Kristen's home. They went on IG Live drunkenly singing, we are never, ever getting back together. And there were so many hookup rumors that were ignited throughout the Bravo sphere, which everyone denied.

1:07:40They all three said, no, no, no, we're just friends. And Madison said on Entertainment Tonight, I think he's trying to get under my skin, which is fine. And like, honestly, if you can pull her, go for it. Knock yourself out. I would be shocked. I just think he was just trying to get a rise, get a comment out of me. And he did. And Austin was like telling us weekly, well, me and Madison aren't even on speaking terms. So whatever. do you think that i feel like kristen may have hooked up with both craig and austin i think so too yeah i think that we're hearing about the craig breakup but i think there's a world in which she may have talked with awesome first and then she had a longer thing with craig in january of 21 madison said on watch what happens live about kristen and austin she was asked about them and And she brought up the fact, well, Andy brought up the fact that Jay had flown to Madison's hometown to see her and the two had been linked.

1:08:33Andy had asked her, have you been hanging out with Jay Cutler? And she goes, I'm not kissing and telling. That same month, Madison threw shade at Kristen by mocking that Instagram lie that she had taken with the boys and Justin. And she made a snarky comment about Kristen partying with them. And she goes, don't worry, my kids at my dad's. I think when that video was made, hers weren't. basically insinuating that Kristen was like party rocking with the boys when her kids were sleeping upstairs. Oh, God. That month, January of 21, Jay and Kristen posted this very cryptic Instagram post saying the world is full of users.

1:09:0810 years. Can't break that. Super cringy. But they were still on non-speaking terms to our knowledge, Jay and Kristen. So people were saying, oh, now they're uniting against this common enemy that is Madison LaCroix. Jay was pretty pissed at Madison at the time because she had leaked text messages between her and Jay about his intent in pursuing her and seeing her. Do you remember this? No. Yeah. So she leaked text messages and it's basically her saying, when are you coming here? You didn't tell me anything. He goes, I'm coming to hang out with you. She's like, well, you've got to ask me. He said, haha, I was going to ask you today.

1:09:43And she goes, ask me or tell me you've already booked it. And he responds, you want to hang out next weekend? Okay, don't stress about it. I bought the flight yesterday because it was the last direct one. If it doesn't work out, I can change it to some other time. And then she brings up all these receipts of him getting pissed about her talking about him on Watch What Happens Live and continuing to fuel the rumors. And Jay in the screenshot tells Madison, it was insinuated and my name was also brought into it, which I didn't appreciate. And Madison goes, Jay, I've done nothing but respect you and your privacy.

1:10:13I respect you and I respect your family. I would never say anything to jeopardize you and your family. And Jay response didn't seem like that was the case. Maybe it was accidental. I don't know. No one wants this mess. I appreciate you saying that. I think we can all respect each other and move forward at the very least. Madison's so messy. She really is so messy and she always leans into this drama. And I feel like just because she's pretty and has that halo effect, people forget that she's a fucking menace. No, she has. That is one person that like actually defines the term dark energy. There's something very, very, very sinister about her.

1:10:44Yes. Out of your cast members, STDs is like the least of it. She just is not a good person, in my opinion. Everybody sucks here. Moral of the story. Yes, I agree. And Justin Anderson clarified in a TikTok saying he thinks Madison was using Christian and Jay to try and get everyone's attention. It was never going to work. Madison fooled everyone with all this victim stuff. He's like, if everyone just stops saying Madison's name, she'll stop making stuff up for attention. And he said that her comments were cheap. Kristen appeared on Craig and Austin's podcast, Pillows and Beer. And she said, someone on your show, obviously referring to Madison, was repeatedly asking my soon-to-be ex-husband to come onto your show.

1:11:24This girl just wants me to be seen with her. They're just like both giving in to the dumpster fire. That is this chaos. It's so immature. But I feel like Madison is definitely pushing this along a lot. And Kristen is merely responding. And Madison kind of got herself into some of her own things. Remember when she met up with A-Rod, when him and J-Lo were in their engagement? Like, Madison is just always at the scene of the crime. Yeah. I think it's worth pointing out that we now know Kristen has admitted as recently as over the last year that Craig and her, despite her denial of it for so long, her and Craig were definitely, like, in— I wouldn't say in a relationship, but they were definitely seeing each other.

1:12:02And she knew that when Craig and Paige were spotted in New York City, seemingly together, she called Craig and was like, listen, what's going on? And he's like, yeah, me and Paige were kind of seeing each other. And he ended up choosing Paige. And she said, that's when I knew I had to back off of Craig because he was in it with Paige for the long haul, it seemed. And Craig was such a liar and a gaslighter to Paige. Yes. There was a whole scene in Summer House when he was denying that anything had ever happened. He was like, you're going to believe her about Lindsay. Oh, my God. You're going to believe her?

1:12:33Ow, that hurts my throat. I hate Craig. Kristen has been enmeshed in just so many scandals, hookups. I think her controversies are honestly the worst part about her as it pertains to, like, her spouting rhetoric on anti-vax and saying that Trump's comments weren't that egregious. Yes, they were. Yes, you use everyone's name for clout. Yes, you're holding on to your fame from when you were 17 years old. I don't know what you're famous for today. And I'm also incredibly curious on her demographic of people that follow her so intensely. I'm curious too. And I just think that this just really exemplifies how messy and chaotic and kind of immature she is.

1:13:15And not to act holier than that, because I'm not the most mature person alive. But the way that she, like we said, spills things to the press and makes things everyone's business, whether it's the fact that she slept with Morgan Wall and he's good in bed, which I'm sure he didn't appreciate. Like, imagine, like, imagine if it was the other way around. Imagine if it's Morgan Wall and he was like, Kristen Cavalieri, great in bed. We'd be like, why are you like exposing that about a woman? And then her like divorce details about Jay Cutler. It's like she does not have a filter, which I think gets her in trouble, but then acts like the victim.

1:13:49I find her very insufferable. And the thing about everything she tells us, We don't need to know that. But then she complains about everyone spreading the headlines about her. It's like, stop feeding into your own narrative. Like, I feel like that's how she maintains relevancy, though. She sees a cycle of attention. I spill a hookup. It gets reported on People magazine. I complain about it being reported on People magazine. Then I'm going to tell you about my next hookup, and then you can report it again. It's just this circle of continuous, just her own clout. Bullshit. Yeah. It's just bullshit.

1:14:20Bullshit. She's just exhausting. I just feel like she's a very insufferable person. Sorry. I agree. And I think a lot of her demographic honestly is, I would best describe it as people that follow her career, like me, but the people that really identify with what she says is people that probably got married young that are kind of have a bunch of kids. That's kind of the person I see following her earnestly. Yeah. I follow her because I'm interested in the drama and the chaos. And I, you know, it's very nostalgic for me, but I'm not like taking her word for gospel. I'm not a stan of hers. Yeah.

1:14:53We're just interested in her as a celebrity. Yeah. But that's that. On Kristen Cavallari, any other closing thoughts, Soph? No, I feel like you did a great job. Thank you for walking us through it. This was a fun one. Nostalgic. Yeah. So you guys know where to find us. We're at snarkbaitpod on Instagram. We host or we do bonus content on Patreon, patreon.com slash snarkbaitpod every Wednesday. So head on over there if you want more content and add free episodes on there. I'm at KristiNoel underscore underscore. Sophie is at Soph underscore Ross. We're also on YouTube. All these links are in our show notes.

1:15:28And we'll see you guys on Tuesday for another episode of DET. Bye. Bye.

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