What’s the Snark on Shep Rose?

26:04Oh, yes. Correct, correct. Yes. I've been shit recently. recently? It was, I want to say, my senior year of college when Southern Charm premiered, and I was captivated. So this was at a time when Charleston was really on the up and up. And as you guys know, I got married in Charleston. I have grown up my entire life going on vacation in Charleston. My grandparents used to have a house there. I think it's an amazing city, so if you've never visited, it certainly lives up to the hype. But in a 2014 New York Times article, Travel and Leisure and Conde Nast Traveler have named Charleston the best city in the United States.

26:40Bon Appetit has declared Husk, an amazing restaurant, by the way, the pride of its trailblazing food scene, the third most important restaurant in the country, et cetera, et cetera. There's a lot of growing hype around it, which, by the way, do you watch Top Chef? I forget. I've watched many a season. I'm not caught up to date. Okay, so this season, the premiere is already on Peacock, and it's the Carolinas, which I'm very excited about. Anyway, the network billed it as a peek into the notoriously closed society of Charleston, starring a group of the city's most charismatic gentlemen and their Southern Belle equals.

27:13And it's so funny looking back on how none of these people are gentlemen or Southern Bells. They're all horrible. Thomas Rabinow, Shep. I mean, you could say that Cam was like kind of a Southern Belle. Oh, I loved Cam. I know you didn't. Yeah, but she also was like, look, I'm one of the guys. I chew with my mouth open and I burp loudly. No, that was 100 % her. And I feel like Madison's now taking Cam's place. She's just one of the boys. She's one of the boys. And I think that Sally tries to be one of the boys too. Oh, absolutely. And I was going to say, when people are on these reality shows, they try and prove that they fit the stereotype of their city.

27:53For instance, like charismatic gentlemen, Southern Bells. But no one that is a charismatic gentleman or a Southern Belle is going to go on reality TV. And that's how I feel about, for instance, real hospice of Orange County. Yeah. People are not rich. I mean, like, yeah, they have money, but it's not the most wealthy, affluent people in Orange County. It's like they like we look down on them. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. It's not they're not reflective of the true aristocratic society. Yeah. Well, shit, maybe, but no one else. I think that's the same with like. Roni. Online. Well, yeah, but also like online influencers, like genuinely wealthy, old money, quote unquote, people do not want their lives to be public.

28:32Oh, they don't want you to know they're rich. So you have the people that I think are cosplaying often as old money and aristocratic on TikTok and Instagram, but they actually aren't truly, you know, that. Yeah. So Southern Charm was like an instant hit. It had roughly 1.1 million viewers for its season one finale. And local Charleston people did not like it. They thought it displayed a lot of bad behavior and made Charleston look bad, which I don't blame them. And as we know, Whitney pitched the show. He created it. And he wanted to deconstruct the myths of the Old South, but do it in a very funny, assertive way.

29:09So I think that all along, like, they wanted to have kind of a sense of humor and a wink to it. Like I said, I thought Chop was so hot in season one. He was. He really was. And throughout Southern Charms run, he has had like a couple business ventures. One of them is a clothing line called Shep Gear by Shep Rosnay. I actually looked at the website. It's still like up and running. You can buy things. Here there's a shirt that says dad bod, one with Craig his dog's face on it that says good boy, Craig. It's low key, like very affordable. Twelve bucks, fourteen bucks for these two t-shirts. Well, it's like, no one's going to buy it if it's any more expensive than that.

29:49No, totally. He got his own spinoff in 2017 called Relationship. And I forgot, did you watch this? No, but I remember on E! News, like it would come up, like, coming next. Relationship. Next time on Relationship. And this was following the success of Catching Kelsey, which I also watch religiously. That was Travis Kelsey's Bachelor-style dating show. So they were taking what they thought of as, you know, eligible bachelors and trying to make their own bachelor spinoff on E. It never really, nothing ever came out of the types of things. Yeah, because these guys were not actually looking for anything serious.

30:26So it's so funny, though, because I did watch Relationship and his two finalists. One was a 34-year-old woman. And at the time, let's be clear here, Shep, if he is 46 today, and this was about eight-ish years ago, nine years ago, he was, like, late 30s. Late 30s. Yeah, so he was in his late 30s at this time. There was a finalist named Priscilla who was 34. Gorgeous and, like, genuinely obsessed with him. Like, you could tell that she was really, really, really into him. She was so beautiful. Age appropriate. Yeah. And then there was Bella, who was 23, clearly not really that interested in him.

31:04Guess who he chose? That's always the us. Yeah, yep. And Bella, the 23-year-old, surprise, surprise. And she apparently ghosted him shortly after she won the season. She was not interested in him at all, which was obvious to everyone else watching the show except Shep. And he is mentioned, you know, like I said, he is 46. He is strictly into 20-somethings at his age. he's mentioned on the show you know i would be really interested in in charlie she is like 27 uh his love interest on last season sienna was i believe 26 yeah uh gross so he acted in the 2018 uh what's his name randall emmett movie called reprisal starring bruce willis and olivia colpo it always comes down to randall emmett everything circles back to randall emmett craig was actually in it too they shep played a paramedic and fun fact this was filmed in cincinnati cute i mean it's like so funny i've crossed that bridge before in cincinnati wait when have you been to cincinnati uh my ex-boyfriend lived there like in college wait what did i know this uh i don't think uh yeah i think oh my god what yeah have you have you had skyline if i did it was so long This was like 2012.

32:24You would remember if you had him. You would remember. Trust me. Trust me. You would remember. I think we did talk about this, actually, because you asked me if I knew him, and I was like, no. That's so funny. So he launched a couple other ventures in the hospitality business. He co-owned a few different Charleston bars, the Palace Hotel, the Commodore. He has a stake in the Alley, which is a bowling alley slash sports bar. In 2018, he ventured into stand-up comedy. And in 2022, he did some live shows called Toothless in North Carolina. Someone gave a review on Reddit, Lil Petty Crocker, and said, I went to see Shep in Raleigh.

33:09First off, you could tell he was super nervous. I don't think it was stand-up comedy in the traditional sense. This, like, makes so much—it's like he doesn't know what to do, so he's like, I make people laugh sometimes. I'll just go up on stage and tell some jokes. He told some anecdotes about his early years and some of his friends growing up. But the really good stuff was background about filming Southern Charm. He talked about scenes that were cut and why, how he really feels about the editing that he gets, his thoughts on when Southern Charm will end. He did a Q &A. So not a stand-up comedy show.

33:37No. It's like a variety show starring Shep. I know, but they said he was really nice and really receptive to fans. Oh, that's cute. I mean, he seems like a nice person. Like, he seems like he's fun to be around when you're in a relationship. Totally different story. Yeah, and when he's not blackout drunk. Very, very good clarification point, yeah. Yes. He started a podcast on June 1st, 2019 called Enough About Me with Shep Rose. It ended on October 9th, 2019. So literally a four-month run. Yep. He self-published his memoir, Average Expectations, and then Simon & Schuster published it in 2021. He had a small speaking role in a prime show called The Final Run, a very, very, very small role.

34:19And he has invested in a few rental properties, which I think is his passive income. Besides his mailbox money, he makes decent money from these rental properties, which is why it's so true that, like, it is so easy to get richer once you're already rich. Because, like, who can afford real estate in this economy? Yeah, 100%. And I've been working for, we've both been working for over a decade now. Like, I'm sorry. No, I'm sorry. Shep, who has never worked a real hard day's work in his life, gets to buy multiple properties. Yeah, it's like compounding. It's like money begets money. Yeah, exactly.

34:55So he has the Shep Shack in Isle of Palms, South Carolina. And it's a short-term vacation rental. It's a three-bedroom beach bungalow that fans can book on Airbnb. be. And he also has a Sullivan's Island estate, which I actually, we drove past it once. Very nice. It was$3.25 million on the beautiful Sullivan's Island. And so yeah,$3 million home. Again, I mean, reality TV is his job, I guess. But like still, it's so frustrating. I remember those beach parties he would have at that Sullivan's Island estate. Didn't he live there with Whitney one summer? Oh, I think you're right, actually. Yeah. And it was like, it was literally like atop the waves.

35:39Like it was on the sand, basically. Right. And him and Whitney were like parting it up. Yeah. One summer. So he announced his second book, It's Nothing in Moderation, A Psychedelic Reckoning with Excess, focused on his ayahuasca retreat in Costa Rica, and it's scheduled for a spring 2026 release. Guys, add it to your Goodreads now. So what's interesting about Shep is that he's like a good old boy, South Carolina. You watch the Murdoch Murders show. Of course, yeah. Good old boys, you know? Yeah. Bo? Bo? What's up, Bo? So he went from being a Republican, like many good old boys in the South, to actually becoming quite liberal, which I think is a really interesting pivot for him.

36:21So he endorsed Republican candidate John McCain in the 2008 U.S. presidential election. In 2016, he endorsed libertarian candidate Gary Johnson, and he endorsed Joe Biden in the 2020 U.S. presidential election. So he has over time become more left-leaning. And he has tweeted some really funny things about Trump and to Trump. In one tweet, someone goes, I know it's hard for you to be an outlier where you live in being in the public eye about him being liberal for someone who lives in the South. He goes, it's not hard at all. It gives me satisfaction that I'm on the right side of history. When the books are written about this strange and perilous time in American history, I will have the receipts and will mumble to everyone at the nursing home that I stood up for what's right.

37:10And there's another tweet that said Chuck Grassley, 89, who was born before the invention of the chocolate chip cookie, will serve another six years in the Senate. Shep quote tweets this and says, you've got to be kidding. How do family members not step in 89 years old enough with the shit what a joke Feinstein 2 hell and Biden and Trump mid 70s and higher you are done in corporate America you get a gold watch and are shown the door and he's not wrong no that's so I mean yeah he's he's totally like yes but he famously does not like Trump also so clearly uh has become more progressive which is you know pleasant surprise coming from this southern little boy.

37:51Yeah. So as for controversies, Shep has talked about being arrested over 10 times. That is crazy. I had no idea he was arrested even once. Yeah. He said in a Southern Charm clip when the boys were playing Never Have I Ever, I've been arrested in Nashville, Athens, West Palm. I spent the night in jail over 10 times. So I'm sure for like public intoxication, like he's he's always been kind of a party boy. So in August 2019, this was a big controversy. I don't know if you remember this. He faced criticism after he posted a video to his Instagram stories in which he could be heard mocking a homeless woman who was collecting cans on the street in the East Village, Manhattan.

38:30It was like 2 a.m. He was clearly drunk. She was sitting on the street barefoot and she is covering her face saying, no, like, don't film me. And he is making fun of her, laughing at her, saying, you know, nice cans. Yeah. And then posted it to social media to like humiliate her. So it wasn't even enough that he was laughing at a homeless woman and berating her and harassing her. But then he had to film her and then post it on social media. I mean, what about that is funny. Exactly. And a reason so many people in New York gather these cans is because they can get five cents each for them. It's a way to make money.

39:09And it's hard work. It's honest, hard work. Yeah. Yeah, and it's like helping with litterers, littering. Like, it's a net positive for everyone. Exactly. And, like, that's something that Shep would never understand. Actually having to put in work to earn money, you know? And at first, he didn't want to say sorry. And, you know, people were like, at Bravo TV, at Andy, what are you going to do about that disgusting video your employee at Shep Burroughs posted of him drunkenly harassing a woman on the street? What an embarrassment. Is this the kind of behavior you want to promote? Get him off TV.

39:40Shep responded to this fan by saying, always get a chuckle when people try to send me to the principal's office with principal spelled wrong. I bet you were a scream in high school. Like, what a fucking douche. Yeah. And this is like so bothersome to me. I remember living in San Francisco, and we would always go to Golden Gate Park or Mission Dolores Park, and there would always be, and they're always like Asian people for some reason, always collecting cans, at least in SF. It's like, they're just, they're not here like begging you for money. They're just doing their own thing, and they're quietly just like, helping pick up litter.

40:11Yeah. It's literally the definition of good, honest work. Yeah. Like, it's making the community cleaner and it's a way to make money. Like, yeah. They're not waiting you for cash. They're not bothering anyone. They're actually making your life better. You just don't fucking realize it. Right. Anyway, Shep kept replying to people that were tweeting at him. He said, oh, my God, I offended you. OK, here's the plan. Sensitivity training five times a week, then intensive therapy, hot yoga, followed by a public flogging in the town square. Then I moved to Siberia and live in an igloo for four months.

40:46At this point, I'll be cleansed of your disapproval. Like, he's so annoying. Public flogging in the town square. Like, shut up. Yeah. Someone posted a screenshot of someone replying to a story and saying, come on, Shep, not cool, not funny. She clearly doesn't want to be filmed. He goes, oh, I'm sorry. Fuck that. You in the East Village with 4 ,900 cans, I will exploit you like my life dependent on it. Please don't DM me again with your fake sympathy. Like, so aggressive. And I'm sorry, you could tell, I feel like he's fucked up when he's writing. Oh, he's definitely drunk. You know what I mean?

41:18You could just tell based on how he's speaking, it just seems very erratic and drunk. Yeah, totally. And also, like, I haven't mentioned this, but it's a longstanding, all but confirmed by that rumor that the Southern Charm boys like to engage in extracurriculars. And I think just like, you know, the Vanderpump guys, there are a lot of scenes where he is on coke. 100. Allegedly. Yeah, I think that's pretty safe to say. And also, like, we've talked about this before with a lot of these shows, is that they'll be filming, like, late at night, long hours, long days. You can see also, like, especially on Southern Charm, they're like, bathroom break.

41:57And it's very obvious. Like, it's not at all, you know, ambiguous yeah it it's like uh southern charm roni van derp pump rules and it's like the biggest kept secret i feel like in adulthood that a lot of people indulge i mean it's like it's very much at least with bravo it's it's very much an open secret and i mean we we did a whole andy cohen episode like the rumors around andy cohen's you know extracurriculars it's just it's how it is for a lot of these shows. And, you know, it's how it is for a lot of adults. I remember in college being like, no one's doing cocaine. And then realizing later in college, oh, everyone's doing cocaine.

42:38And then when I moved up to San Francisco, working this very nerdy accounting job, everyone was doing it. And I was like, wait, whoa, like everyone who's an adult is doing it. So yeah, of course, these guys working long hours are doing it. Like, come on. Yeah. So, again, very open secret that Shep indulges. So I think that a lot of, you know, his angry responses online or on the show are because of that, probably it's safe to say. And or quote unquote Adderall, which is often a euphemism for Coke on Bravo. So four days later, he finally apologized. He said, I know some people were upset about the video from Sunday night.

43:16It was a stupid joke and bad idea all around. Also a bit out of context. I spent a few minutes with her talking and telling jokes. She laughed a little. But yeah, wasn't cool or funny. Mea culpa. And then he said, I feel absolutely sick about all that's transpired this week. I've compounded stupidity upon stupidity. Just know that I never intended to hurt anyone. And I do enjoy sharing my adventures and thoughts with you. But I blew it. Anyway, going to take a little break and look inward. And then he deactivated his Twitter account for a bit. So as for his controversies that we've seen on Southern Charm, there have been quite a few.

43:47In 2017, in season four, Chelsea Meisner accused Shep of forcing himself on her when she was also at the time seeing Austin and she like was not interested in Shep. And she described a situation where Shep grabbed her, took her to the back of a bar and repeatedly tried to force kisses on her despite her lack of consent. And Chelsea really called him out and he didn't deny it. He just, from what I recall, apologized for making her uncomfortable, but like did not deny it going down like that. He was more embarrassed about the fact that he was trying to steal his boy's girl more than he was apologetic to Chelsea for forcing himself on her.

44:23Yes. I think it's been such a wake-up call for him. And I think about this when it comes to, like, there's so many parallels with, like, the Banner Pump guys and the Southern Charm guys. I think about this with Jax also. It's like he was so used to being so good-looking and so sought-after, could never imagine a woman ever rejecting them in their youth. And then they've gotten older and grosser, have not aged well because of how they treat their bodies, their partying habits. And also, like, they're on reality TV. They make fools out of themselves. Women watch reality TV. They see, ew, Jax Taylor's disgusting.

45:00Ew, Shep is really embarrassing. They don't have the same pull that they used to have. And I think it's, like, such a shock to their systems. Like, I think that Shep, we've seen, it's really been a shock to his system over the past few years getting rejected over and over again by women. Yeah. Because he never used to, especially with Austin. Austin came in and became the new tall, hot guy that the girls wanted and not Shep. Yeah. And I think that Shep getting older and having girls not fawn over him as often, coupled with the fact that he doesn't feel a sense of purpose waking up every day without a job or something to strive towards, it's made him more bitter and angrier.

45:36And we're seeing that on the show. It's like, oh, the thing that used to give you that hit of women and sex. It's like it's not hitting the same way. The drug is not as powerful anymore because you're just not getting as much as you used to. So I think it's like a perfect storm of these older, creepy men just not feeling a sense of purpose outside of chasing pussy. Sorry if that sounds vulgar, but you know what I mean. Totally. I completely agree. And I think that prior to his ayahuasca retreat that I think chilled him out a little bit. you could tell he was extremely angry at the world. I think that's the best way to describe it.

46:11Men will do one weekend in Costa Rica of ayahuasca, then do like consistent therapy. Yeah, totally. It's like Aaron Rodgers. Yeah. Shep. Yeah, 100%. So in season six, 2019, Madison LaCroix, who at this time was dating Austin, accused Shep of giving Danny Baird, who, sweetheart, by the way, love her, only wish her the best, accused Shep of giving Danny chlamydia. Austin later admitted that he had told her the rumor. This is after Shep had, he was so mean to Madison, I think because Madison didn't want him. Like he felt attracted to Madison and she was unattainable because she was dating Austin and also just like didn't want him.

46:51And he would call her white trash and really looked down on her because she was a hairdresser who came from more of a blue collar upbringing versus Shep the aristocrat. The white trash hairdresser. That was so cool about. Yeah, white trash hairdresser. And she said, you don't fucking scare me. You're a bully. You want to know facts? I heard you gave her chlamydia. That's what I heard. And, you know, she gestured at Danny. That's a fact. Ask Austin. And Shep and Danny denied these claims to the cameras. And I felt really, really, really bad, honestly, for both of them in this moment, especially Danny, because Madison was trying to get back at Shep.

47:26And I understood why she was frustrated with Shep. But Danny was like completely innocent in this situation and just seemed like a really, really, really nice, normal person. So that was really sad, honestly. The definition of catching strays. Like she was just collateral damage to it. And I remember that scene of her. To me, it felt like it definitely were true. But who cares? A lot of people get that. It's a very curable sexually transmitted infection. But just to see her reaction, I felt so deeply for Danny. Because she was just always so kind. Always giving Catherine the benefit of the doubt when everyone was turning on her.

47:57And like Madison, that's why I've never liked Madison. Same. She has this like great edit, but it's like, never forget when she, low-key like a HIPAA violation. Oh, I'll never get over that. I thought it was like so beyond fucked up of Madison. Right. And that's why, like you said, I'll never truly be a fan of Madison because I will never forget that. Like that was so disturbing. She gets away with it because she has that sweet Southern accent and she's so cute and like fashionable. And she's like funny and witty and everyone like laughs at her little like talking heads. But I'm like, no, I haven't forgotten that you're actually low-key evil.

48:27No, I, yeah. But that's for another episode. Totally. Maybe we do. Maybe we need a Madison LaCroix episode. So let's get into his relationship with Taylor. And so Taylor, his ex-girlfriend, joined Southern Charm in 2020 when they started dating during COVID. And at the season seven reunion, he told castmates that they had had a few hiccups. I kissed a girl in a stairwell and that's all it was. He apparently had cheated on her many times. 100%. But they had stayed together anyway. And apparently she caught him sending risque texts to this old flame that he also made out with in a stairwell. By season eight, Taylor becomes a full-time cast member.

49:08I remember he convinced her to quit her job as a nurse to travel the world with him. And famously, there's a scene where they're playing an egg toss with the group. And Taylor drops the egg and jokingly stomps on it. And Shep screams at her and calls her a fucking idiot. Other cast members, I remember Naomi, clocked this behavior as abusive. She literally was like, that's abusive. You can't talk to her like that. Olivia Flowers, who I really like, Justice for Olivia Flowers, threw an egg at him. I love Olivia, Naomi. Yeah, threw an egg at him in retaliation. Yeah. Taylor said she didn't even really clock it as abusive because she was so used to him speaking to her like that.

49:44So imagine how he talks to her off camera. No, that was so upsetting. All the girls. I love that season. there was one season i think even before where all the girls hated the men but i think it was so refreshing to see all the girls and even the guys they were like astonished by that comment and she was like wait what did he even say sorry i didn't i didn't even notice that what oh he called me fucking idiot add it to the list another day yeah exactly i low-key think taylor was shep's like last chance at real love like she really really she really loved him like she would have put up with anything she was such a good girl like i know she was a great reality tv she was Yeah, she was boring.

50:20She ended up getting fired. Like, Madison, even though she and Austin broke up, has stuck around in Southern Trump because she's actually entertaining. Taylor was just boring. Yeah. I think she was, like, maybe too normal, which is a compliment, honestly. They also had a pregnancy scare during the show, and Taylor got mad at Shep that his response to her not actually being pregnant was to high-five her. uh they officially split in july 2022 and at the season eight reunion a tearful taylor accused shep of sleeping with multiple women immediately following their split claiming he had fucked over 300 whores and i remember this was like a very uncomfortable moment um at the reunion but like i'm glad she you know handed it to him so in the aftermath of their split in a 2023 episode shep said that sometimes cheating on taylor was fun which led to a massive confrontation where taylor threw a drink at him.

51:09That was at someone's, his, like, cabin. I remember that. Like, it was yesterday. Yeah. He was clearly trying to, like, get under her skin, obviously. That was, oh, this was a major scandal when Taylor kissed Austin, quote-unquote, kissed. They definitely, oh, they definitely, I mean, in my opinion, slept together, but, like, allegedly, I don't know. They take it to the grave that they did not. They will both take it to the grave because they know that it was, like wrong because Austin and Shep are best friends. Olivia and Taylor were best friends. And Olivia and Taylor were best friends. Thank you.

51:44Yes. It was bad on both of their parts. Yes. But yeah. So Taylor wasn't actually that innocent. You're no angel either, sweetheart. You're no angel either, sweetheart. But compared to Shep, she was. Yeah. Yeah. And she claimed that Shep, again, had cheated on her so many times during the relationship. And Craig also corroborated that and said that Shep had cheated on her. because Craig is always like the judge and jury of other people's relationships. Like Austin. Yeah, Craig is perfect. Oh my God, it's so funny. In the most recent episode of Southern Charm, when everyone's like, you need to apologize to Sally for screaming at her.

52:17And he goes, so what? He says this in a talking head. He goes, I made one mistake in the past two years. So what? I made one mistake in the past two years. Like he's literally saying, I am perfect except for this one mistake. He's so delusional and insane. He is, no. No, like he's actually fucking insane. I hate him. While dating Taylor, screenshots of Shep on Raya also started going around. And I see this happen sometimes where people are like, oh, my God, so-and-so is on Raya. Like I know like Drew Starkey is maybe dating our boyfriend. Drew Starkey is dating Odessa Zion. I mean, it was a surprise to us as well to see him on Raya.

52:55Yeah, and he is a lot of people have seen him on Raya. But people are like, it's possible to delete the app, but then your profile stays up. So, like, honestly, who knows? Give me a break. To me, they're active. Come on. Okay, let's get into the Sienna of it all. Shep was in love with a woman named Sienna. She was Miss Bahamas, 2021, much younger than him, on season 10. And it was very clear while watching it that Sienna was not interested in Shep. But I think that, like the girl, that one relationship, the show, he loves when a girl is not interested in him, obviously. So apparently she had a boyfriend the entire time, giving him a taste of his own medicine.

53:33Sienna did? Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that. Tea. Yeah. And a lot of people were accusing her of taking advantage of Trump to get on TV. Again, good for her. Yeah. He would do the exact same and worse. Apparently her grandmother, she was a Southern Charm superfan, and her grandmother had a Southern Charm fan page. She denied that she was a superfan, but apparently her grandmother really did have a Southern Charm fan page. Wait, Slay. That's so funny. Madison called her a stalker. She said, honestly, I was told she was a stalker, but not really her, more so her grandmother. It gets weird. Her grandmother runs a fan page.

54:04As if the other women on Southern Charm have never used a guy to get on the show. Please. Yeah. Madison's a perfect example of someone. Yeah. Yeah. But she said, you know, she was apprehensive to film. She and Shep were never official. She didn't actually ghost him like what was portrayed. But the famous thing is the text that he sent her, the text heard around the world that people printed on mugs, on T-shirts. It goes like this. Good morning, Sienna. Listen, I love seeing you and no one else. No one. But I'm not going to try to convince someone they love me for three days, especially when I know deep down they do.

54:37Here's hoping you—and by the way, they'd been seeing each other for, like, not that long at this point. And she clearly was not interested in him. Like, he'd be like, hey, I'm just going to change really fast. And she was like, I will wait downstairs in the lobby. Wait for me. No, stay. Here's hoping you understand my feelings and exalt them. I just don't feel this way ever. I know that you agree and feel a lot of what I do because I've heard it from your perfect little freckled lips. And those around us can say and think what they will, but we will have the last laugh and we'll have love, laughter, and everything that matters.

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59:11At BravoCon in 2023, he apparently totally blacked out and was out of control. He was confronted at the Southern Charm reunion later that year about it, about his behavior. And he said he remembered nothing from the entire weekend. Fans and attendees reported seeing him in a state of extreme nebriation. Andy noted that Shep appeared like a tipsy golden retriever while attempting to flirt with Roni star Brynn Whitfield. He reportedly made odd advances towards her, even asking if they should procreate on the way to the Bravo Awards. Craig and Austin. Yeah, I was just going to say, I remember a season after this when Shep, Austin, and Craig had to have like a sit down of like, are you going to be under control?

59:53I mean, I feel like there was a lot that was unspoken that we kind of understood. But the fact that he didn't remember the entire weekend is incredibly concerning to me. Yeah. Especially, like, you at this point in your life should know your limits. You're not 21 anymore, you know? Craig and Austin said they could no longer watch him drive toward a cliff. They were very—they had to, like, kind of, like, cut off their friendship with him because they were so worried about him. Which is so, again, so ironic coming from Craig. No, yeah, Craig has equal—I think for Craig it's more of a projection.

1:00:24He doesn't like seeing himself in chef. I think Austin Jenk was worried. Yeah. But really quickly, what do you think happened that was so egregious that they had to separate themselves? Like they were thick as thieves and something specific happened. I think that he was being, if I had to guess, I think he was being extremely aggressive and creepy towards women. I think they were like, this is like really, really, really bad. That's, I mean, we know he was being creepy towards Brynn. But I think, yeah, I think it had to do with him being really, really, really creepy towards women. Whether they were fans or other Bravo Leberties, I don't know.

1:00:55So apparently Andy had personally called Shep after the weekend to check on him. He reportedly told him, we love you, but you can't do that in front of this person, that person. You just got to be way more cognizant. Andy made it clear that Shep's behavior was reaching a limit for the network, telling him he wanted him on the channel for as long as possible, but that major changes were necessary. So he threatened his job, basically. That's why I think that it was like really, really, really bad. Like maybe teed on like a Me Too type. Yeah, like he was making women feel extremely uncomfortable.

1:01:24Yep. And Andy clearly has a soft spot for Shep and the Southern Charm Boys. We've talked about this on our Andy episode. I think that if it were like anyone else, he maybe would cut ties with them. I think if it was a housewife, he would cut ties with them extremely quickly. Oh, yeah. But he just, he has a soft spot for the Southern Charm Boys. He loves those crazy kids. Following this incident, Shep revealed he was at a crossroads and began a sobriety journey. But he had not quit alcohol entirely. He now only drinks beer and avoids liquor and shots. Sounds like what Craig did for a little bit.

1:01:57Then Craig went back to liquor. I don't know enough about alcoholism, but from what I've, the limited amount I know, you're an alcoholic and it doesn't matter what the actual liquor or substance is, you can't, you will not be able to stop. So whether it's beer that touches your mouth or shots that touch your mouth, it's something in your brain that continues. So to me, it's like just because you no longer do shots doesn't mean that you no longer have a problem. Yeah. And I think people, most people would probably agree with you. And I think the Bravo audience, Andy, whenever, like, I feel like this has probably happened a few times now where cast members with a very obvious alcohol problem will be like, well, I just I'm not drinking liquor anymore.

1:02:35I'm just drinking beer. And Andy is like, OK, then. Yeah. Despite these changes, Shep was involved in another viral rant at BravoCon 2025. It's always BravoCon that gets him in trouble involving Craig and Paige DeSorbo. They are obviously broken up by this point. It was a video. Do you remember seeing this? Of course. It was so viral. Yeah. Yeah. So there was a taping of Watch What Happens Live during which Shep said in a game of shag, marry, kill that he would kill Paige. And at a bar inside Las Vegas' Mandalay Bar Resort, Shep shouted to a group of people, it was a sham the whole time, huh? How many more followers did you get?

1:03:11And at another point during this monologue, he screamed, she and Craig made millions on reality TV's back and then she broke up with him on her podcast. Do you understand how fucked up that is? Talk about biting the hand that feeds you or ignoring the hand that feeds you, basically. He always has such anger. This reminds me of, like, his beef with Madison LaCroix also. He has such anger towards women. I think that don't want him. That's what it is, you know? Yeah, it was, like, vitriol, like, hate. And I think part of it is like 90 % of it is definitely women that don't want him. And the other 10 % is feeling envy that all of his counterpart, even though Shep was the one that started the show, Craig was getting more and more fame from the relationship with Paige.

1:03:51Yeah. I think he was bitter about that too. Yeah, totally. And I think, yeah, I mean, I could write a whole essay on the way that the Southern Charm guys all compete with each other and are jealous of each other in different ways. a couple people have gone to reddit to talk about their hookups with him or their friends hookups with him so take them with a grain of salt these are from anonymous people on reddit all of lemon 88 said he shep sucks he bragged about hooking up with another girl i knew and he was basically making fun of her mocking how he wouldn't have had sex with her if he'd known she was a virgin and laughing at her for liking him it was awful uh a couple other people talked about uh hooking up with him childlikeemperess16 on reddit said my old roommate roommate has been having sex with chep for a while she's obsessed with him and thinks she can be the one to change it but this was years ago by the way um they're friends and sleep together but definitely not ever going to date because duh she has actually been filmed for southern charm telling him she likes him but they didn't use the footage they had landon also professing her love that season so that's probably why like girls were obsessed with him at that time i could be the one that loves you I think I'm in love with you.

1:05:00Yeah, oh, god fuck. And her. Ugh, you sound like a dolphin. I know, her dolphin voice. And this person also said they all do a ton of blow. I've hung out with all of them with her and gone back to parties at T-Rabs. Never been into drugs very much, so never felt comfortable there. Craig is nice. It's just a big group of toxic people, though. I still maintain T-Rab and Shep. I'm not even going to say it. We can leave that out. Yeah. Car tech. Um, but it's funny because I feel like Shep in the early seasons was like, I don't want to turn into T-Rav, Thomas Ravenel, and be, you know, this angry, bitter old man with substance abuse problems.

1:05:40And again, I feel like Shep has gotten better since his ayahuasca retreat that he went on in Costa Rica a few years ago. And he's talked about it on the show that it's really helped him heal and he's a calmer person. Do you remember him saying that he had a dream about Taylor and she was a bird in a nest? And so I think he has gotten somewhat better, but he has more or less turned into T-Rab. I think with less yelling at women, that's Craig's job. I think between Shep and Craig, they are, if you combine them, Thomas Rabinol. Yeah, totally. Totally agree. I think Shep with like his lineage and wealth and Craig with his anger and them both being Peter Pan.

1:06:20Yeah, exactly. So yeah, that's about it on Shep's lore. What are your thoughts? I think when we think about the Southern Charm Boys and we think about the darkest energy to the least dark, I think it depends on the season between Shep and Craig. There have been instances where Shep has been darker than Craig and vice versa. I think as it stands now, maybe Craig is worse than Shep. Yeah. Like I said, he's kind of a background character. Oh, wait, here's what he said. I found the quote. He said, I will not when he said he didn't want to turn out like Thomas Rabinel. He goes, I will not be in my mid 40s trying to hook up with girls in their 20s.

1:06:56And that's literally what he does now. And the girls in their 20s won't even hook up with him. They don't even want him. Yeah. Yeah. So I would say I do genuinely think his behavior has improved. I think that he has more self-awareness than Craig. Yes, I agree. I think he has more social awareness. But I do think that his trajectory is a bit sad in a way because I feel like, like we said, he's not really living up to his full potential. He seems like a smart guy. And I mean, it's like, who are we to judge if someone's living up to their full potential? But he does objectively seem very smart. It's just that he has never had to make anything of himself because of his privilege.

1:07:34Yeah. Yeah. And part of fulfillment is genuinely, this one's so cliche, but it's the journey of getting there and waking up knowing that, like, you've earned whatever it is that you have. He's never had to work for anything, really. Yeah. So his, yeah, like, he just doesn't understand the value of, like, hard work or the value of a dollar, I feel. So also just as a funny side note, the last photo in your document is a picture of him holding a bra in this like elevator bank. And it says, had a bra thrown on my head today by a fan. That was a first. That was a first. I know what you're thinking.

1:08:04It was 34C. Like, and he's just like holding the bra. And he thinks he's like such a rock star. It's like so, it's like I can't help but laugh. That's fucking funny. Hashtag BravoCon 2023. Yeah, it's like BravoCon makes these people literally feel like rock stars. It's insane. That's why at BravoCon, he's always like so out of control because he's like, I can do whatever I want. I am the most famous person here. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I don't think that Shep is the most evil person on Bravo. He's not worse than Jax Taylor. I don't even think he's worse than Craig. Yeah, agreed. I think that he is someone who has a lot of internal demons is how I would put it.

1:08:45He will always end in his own way. I think genuinely he is his own worst enemy. Yeah. And wish for the best. I don't think he's a bad guy. I mean, he wasn't nice to Taylor, but I think. He's done some bad things, but I don't think he's inherently a horrible person. Yeah. I don't know. Do you guys agree? Disagree? Let us know. Like, are we being too easy on him? I think that he just is someone that battles a lot of internal demons. Like Shep's parents said when they picked him up from boarding school after getting kicked out, there's nothing we can say that will make him feel worse than he probably does about himself.

1:09:19Like that man hates himself. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know. Let us know what you guys think. Thank you for being here. And also let us know what Bravo Liberty you want us to do next. It's been a hot minute since we have done one. So we knew we were overdue and there are endless Bravo Liberty is to talk about. So let us know if there is anyone on your list that we haven't covered yet. We've done Jax. We've done Craig. Like I said, we've done Stassi. Sheena. Sheena. Carl. Paige and Hannah asked DM Dustin said, can you guys do Vanderpump? Lisa Vanderpump. Ooh, Lisa Vanderpump would actually be a really good one.

1:09:57Yeah, I'm fascinated by her wealth, like how she's been able to acquire so much wealth. It actually is very fascinating to think about because it like, does it add up? Like, I'm not sure. Like, I know she's successful in the restaurant industry, but like, that successful? Right. Restaurants are, I mean, they're hard. They're hard. Yeah. So I've always been like, not that I necessarily think she's fraudulent, but it is fascinating. Like, her empire is crazy to me. It's interesting. So yeah, let us know, you guys. And thank you, as always, for being here. We love you so much. Don't forget to follow us at snarkbaitpod.

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