Ali Macofsky Loves Corporations

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2:45I find vaping very unattractive really really why I just don't know I don't like it yeah fair enough I find it unattractive except for when I do it of course well that's most things right I don't want to be holding this most things I do are fine when other people do them really bad you and I are locked in on this what do you do that you think other people shouldn't do Most of it. My attitude in general. My countenance, my disposition in general is not... You know that thing in philosophy where is it Kant? No. You already lost me. Who was it in philosophy that's like you should behave in a way that if everyone did it, the world would work?

3:34Oh, I love that as a philosophy. I don't do that. I love that as a philosophy. I would behave in a way that I'm like, well, it's okay because mostly only I'm doing it. I feel like a good one that comes to mind is like people talk about like plane etiquette. Yeah. Like deboarding. Like don't stand up as soon as the plane lands. And I'm like, yeah, but I want to stand up. Yeah, I'm going to stand up. No one else should. Yeah. But I want to. They also I do. I do think with the plane landing thing specifically, people go, there's no reason. There is a reason. I fucking hate that chair. And I've been sitting in it for four hours.

4:07And we're trying to get off. I want to. I want to move my body now. Yeah. I want to be. There's no reason. I want to be ready. because you know what else is going to piss me off when people aren't standing and i'm trying to get off the plane dude i've been saying people also say there's no reason to rush onto the plane if the seats are assigned yes there is overhead bin space overhead bin space and also let me just sit down let me let me get to where i'm going let me just get settled in yeah i love getting settled in yeah i have my little bag i want to pull some things out and if i have a beverage in my hand god forbid i'm stuck there one-handed i want to set everything down what are you pulling out of your bag i'm pulling out headphones yeah i'm an ipad girl yeah so i love having my ipad yeah um what else i'll pull out a book that i'm not going to read on the flight yeah that's a big one that's a big one but i'm pulling it out so people know i am capable of reading um what else am i pulling out some chargers maybe a sleep mask if i'm feeling really virgo then i'll pull out some like hand wipes what about virgo makes the hand wipes come out um that people i don't know actually but it's my birthday so i'm just trying to kind of like um when's your birthday september 8th virgo oh okay nice so i'm just trying to like kind of bring it up as often as possible like virgo got you i thought you were trying to tell me that today is your birthday no i was like that's crazy you should not be as much as i love you yeah i would not celebrate well no i was like Please don't be doing that.

5:31Yeah, no. Yeah. No, I won't be doing anything on my birthday. But I think like, I think Virgos are like very clean, organized, tidy. Yeah. So that's where it comes out. And do you relate to that? In some ways, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, in some ways I can be like a clean, tidy girl. Yeah, which ways? Thanks for asking. I'm thinking of the really specific way where you're clean and tidy. It's like, it's very internal. Like, like I love, I love a list. I love a calendar My iPhone calendar I'll put in there like brush teeth It's like I'm gonna do it But I want it in the calendar as well And I'll move it around Like if I start my day late I'm like we'll move it to noon We'll brush teeth later Yeah So I like a list I like a plan I like that a lot But then my house is kind of a mess There's dust bunnies everywhere Dust is hard There's so much dust It really accumulates in a weird way And then I bought one of these, you know, when the fires are happening, everyone's getting these air purifiers.

6:35Yeah. So I buy an air purifier. Now I have to clean the damn air purifier. That's the thing. It's like I just I want a device that doesn't need me to clean it. Yeah. I do. There's so many things that I do that require like a follow up that I just after its first use, I go, that's the end of it. Yeah. I'm not following up. I'm not changing the filter. I'm not resetting the set. I can't. I keep vacuuming the outside of the air purifier And I'm like this will have to do You think that's doing it? No Right But it's making me feel good enough about it Yeah Where I'm like the filter doesn't need to be changed That's really beautiful Yeah It's just making you feel good enough about it That's a beautiful way to look at the world Yeah I mean that And maybe I'm like a philosopher in that way I do think you're a philosopher in some way Well you know comedians are The modern yeah the modern philosophers When I'm talking about how many flaps are on a vagina It's a philosophy How many are?

7:30A lot, I mean, I think a lot Is that standard for everybody edition? I think everyone usually has the same amount But I think visually it can look like more or less So it's a bit of an illusion Because sometimes they're hidden What? Sometimes that I mean, I've been around one You've seen? I was trying not to Do you know when you see a car wreck? Yeah that like i felt like of course i was curious when i was down there the couple times i was around vagina you don't want to be around for too long but i was just i was like i was like oh you know yeah you don't want to have to stay to make a statement you don't want to stare into it and accidentally see something you know totally yeah i don't want to stick around and make a statement yeah i just don't want to really be involved and that's how i probably knew i shouldn't be in there yeah but the flaps are interesting what do they do they protect they protect they cushion from what life's elements yeah my jeans right now if i didn't have those flaps yeah it'd be so sensitive well the the my situation is so external with the penis and balls and i envy that i love what you have going on down there i haven't seen it but i've seen others really and i just think it's so ergonomic and it's like i don't want to make this like a binary like men versus women no but there's only two yeah but there's two yeah which is easy yeah it's simple yeah and i just think the penis is like so perfect yeah i really have to agree with you yeah it's like there's no confusion yeah like you don't need an ikea manual for it No, it's just a straightforward thing.

9:15If you were to pick up a penis from Ikea, you'd be like, put the manual away. I don't need this. And it's a one-person job. That's vagina, by the way. What is vagina? Ikea furniture. Totally. Yeah. You need the manual, and you need an extra person to help out. Yeah, you need a TaskRabbit. Yeah. The person who owns it has to be there to tell you about it. And you need a truck to pick it up. Yeah, you need a truck to pick it up. You have to clear an afternoon to figure out what to do with it. Exactly. Yeah. I find it so complicated, Vagina. It is. Sometimes, though, when I say things on this show, I'll say just a second ago when I said, there's only two genders, I really will get called a bigot online.

9:53Oh, my God. Can you believe that? I can't wait for the comments. It's really funny to me. I'm like, you guys are 12. Well, it's also, it's so funny because you've built an incredible fan base. Oh, knock it off. Your camera is there. You've built such an amazing following. No, they're really great at most of them. But it is baffling when some people come along and they don't understand. It's like, no, these people like me because of this. Yeah. Like, why are you here? Well, I've seen... If you're taking it. I've seen the... I've been called a bigot a couple times. I've also seen, like, he's a mean gay.

10:30It's like, you're 12. You are a 12-year-old child. You don't exist in the real world. If you think I'm mean, you have got a whole lot of other stuff coming. It's really just not... I see that stuff and I go, you cannot possibly think I'm being serious. Totally. About vagina, et cetera, you know? Yeah. You ever do vagina? Sexually? Yeah. Someone else's? Yeah. Yeah? Yeah. Still to this day? No, I have a boyfriend. He won't let me. He won't let you? He won't let me. That doesn't, and I know your boyfriend, that doesn't seem like him at all. I know. But men can be so complicated. Yeah. Yeah, so selfish.

11:06Men are quite selfish. I'm like, here's the thing. He has his penis Easy Easy to use I have vagina, complicated Why not let other people help me out with the vagina It's like Oh you think you're doing a good job Yeah Oh you think you got it nailed down Yeah of course Let someone else get in there and tool around Yes please Get another set of hands under the hood Get an Allen wrench That might feel good Putting a wrench in there Yeah. So, Allie, you recently started taking improv classes, huh? Stop. The word is traveling. I did say it publicly. The word is traveling. I've been talking about it in public.

11:55I've been talking about it. I won't stop talking about it. It's so fun. And where are you taking it? Groundlings. Groundlings. Yeah. Oh, so you're not fucking around. I'm not fucking around. This is serious. Yeah, but also like scheduling-wise, I haven't really been taking as many classes lately. Yeah. Aren't they like a set time per week that you're just supposed to go to? Yeah. Yeah, but there's like, I mean, I don't want to get into the minutia of the Groundlings scheduling program. I think they'd like it if you did. Our listeners are dying for it. Okay, so if anyone's interested, you go to the website, you hit school, and you have to start at the basic level.

12:31You know, no matter how good you think you are, everyone starts in basic. Which we can all agree is stupid and silly. So stupid and silly. Yeah. Because obviously you can tell from the basic classes that I'm a star. Right. Yeah. Yeah. You look around, you go, Jerry, who's 80 years old. Yeah. Oh, the lawyer. Yeah. It's me. There's always a lawyer. There's always a lawyer. And by the way, a huge part of taking improv classes and pursuing that training is making friends. And I'm sure you saying that on this podcast will go a long way. Well, you know what I realized? Say it now. I was doing cool girl and improv.

13:04Fuck. Which is not good, and I learned that quickly. Yeah. Because in basic, I was like, you guys are freaks. Yeah. Meanwhile, I'm in the same class as you guys. Meanwhile, here you are rolling around on the floor. Yeah. Yeah. Barking like a dog. Yeah. Yeah. How did you have the realization? Well, so then I advanced. I got to the next level. Yeah. And I show up, and I'm like, some of you are still freaks. However. However, there's some cool people here. Yeah. But because I had this walled off mentality of like, I've got my standup community. Yeah. I've done Maren's podcast. Yeah. And others that I won't name.

13:49I don't need you guys. I've got my community. I've done Maren, you know, et cetera. Et cetera. Yeah. You can Google it. Yeah. There's Maren and plenty more. And others. Yeah. so i was like i'm i'm good yeah and then there were like actually like these cool girls but because i had this like walled off thing it took me so long to like initiate like can i be friends with you yeah be friends what'd you how'd you do it i think eventually i was like that was really funny what you did and they were like thanks girl yeah and then we hit it off um So now those are my girls, my Groundlings girls. If this was taking place in Chicago in 2017, you guys would already be an indie team trying to set up shows right now.

14:36I would love that. That was the move back then. You'd be like, I found a couple people I think are funny. We hit it off in class. Now we're an indie team. Our name is Fuckstick. What bar will have us? Yeah, I love that energy. I'm nostalgic for an experience I haven't even had. I remember I remember it like the first Thanksgiving I went home after moving to Chicago I was like updating my my family on my life and I was telling them I was like oh yeah I got I left that job I'm doing this for money now and they're like how much are you making and I was like oh like twenty eight thousand a year and they're like and then I was like I was like yeah I got this indie team I'm really excited about we're kind of working the indie improv circuit in Chicago and when I said we're working the indie improv circuit in Chicago I tell you everyone just kind of went anyway and they all like found something to do they were like those vegetables need to be cut you know what I mean like no one was interested in that also you know that they had no idea what the indie improv circuit was but they also did not want to ask yeah well because it's barely a circuit it's like bar shows it's like circuit like what do you it was crazy you know what I love say it tell me how you feel about this say it now the show in Chicago at the Green Mill.

15:48Yep, Paper Machete. Paper Machete. It's my favorite. Well, Virginia and I did Paper Machete together several times as a duo. Wow. That's kind of how we solidified our friendship in Chicago. Wow. Yeah, she's sitting right over there. She runs all the social media. For people watching and listening, if you've ever enjoyed a clip from this show, Virginia made it and posted it for you. So we just love her. Virginia, shout out to Virginia, the only person who works on this show. Big laugh from Casey. Hard swallow from Chance. Silent. Yeah. No, but... I love the paper machete. It's a great show. It's so fun.

16:27It's a great show. You've done it. And I love... Now that I'm an improv girl, I love all these fucking improv freaks. Yeah? Yeah, there's some guy. There's some girl. They were great. You don't remember their names? No, one of them. I know his Instagram's like... I would have to look. Will. Will. Will and Jen. Will and Jen. Oh my goodness. Yeah. I don't know who they are but I'm sure they're fabulous. Jen is choose Jen Con on Instagram. Okay. She does like musical improv and it's so funny. That's good because that's usually pretty hit or miss. Oh my god it's so good and then this guy Will. Oh I love him.

17:13Yeah what's he do? He does he'll do like kind of a monologue, a topical monologue. So the last time I saw him, he was, he was talking, I don't remember and I don't want to talk about it actually. I'm not having fun. So what's the plan with, what's the plan with improv? Are you going to put up a show? No, no. Okay, I will say, I thought I was crushing it. I thought I was so good. I had my big show I passed my advanced level we put on a big show for the advanced class and I dragged my boyfriend there because he doesn't want to support me in any way but I dragged him he's there and he was like honestly that was good and I was like if he's saying that he's a certified hater he's a certified hater I love him down but he's the last person I'd want to bring to an improv show so he's like that was actually good and I know that he would not gas me up.

18:15He wouldn't. He would not. Not like that. No. And so I'm like, okay. And this girl in the class, she's like, I'm going to set up a camera to film the show. And I was like, okay, but don't, I don't, I don't want you to post it. I have a career to uphold. Yeah, of course. And then after the - You've been on Marin and others. I've been on Marin and others. Yeah. And so after the show, I was like, can you actually send me the video? And thank you for recording. And I need to change my attitude quick. and so then I watch the video it does not translate over video yeah of course it's not hitting the way that I thought it was hitting well the magic's meant for the room as you know I know now but now I'm waiting to do the writing classes because I want to do the writing part to write sketch or to write yeah to write sketch in the writing class then at the end you put on a show with your writing hell yeah hell yeah what what inspired you to start doing this um i um that's it's really you're a great interviewer ali i want to just note that no fewer than five minutes ago you said i don't want to talk about this i'm not having fun but i brought that upon myself that was me i don't know why i want i think because um i think i actually have no idea no come on what what what what feeling were you having that led you to do this okay i know that people start improv when they're at a low moment that was not what inspired this i'm not a lawyer i'm not an 80 year old man i here's what it was i wanted to oh oh no this is sad yeah of course i'm not surprised to hear that tell us about it come on well okay so i had submitted uh like a an audition for snl like like a you know a tape yeah and it was so bad because i i decided against i'm sure everyone's best wishes for me i was like i'll do i'll do impressions and characters i've never done them before but surely i'll master them quickly enough for to send this in yeah and then i watched it back and i was like why would i do that yeah why would i do that to myself makes sense yeah so then i was like you know what i actually want to challenge myself and to like learn how to do this because with stand-up it's so it's like it's me it's this voice the whole time yeah it's like and this is what i think about that yeah and i was like what if i let a little bit of fun into my life yeah a little bit of whimsy what's your favorite kind of relationship you think hmm dog human you think wow that's a big swing no recently i've been loving my dog more than normal okay but i'm not normally someone who's like dogs dogs are more i'd rather talk to a pet than a human yeah i'm not one of those people i think my favorite relationship would be um customer service me yeah it's like vulnerable enough and intimate enough that i like but it's not like i could potentially go back to like said coffee shop or restaurant and like continue the relationship yeah but it's kind of on my terms yeah anything else is a little bit too close yeah yeah that's interesting do you have a problem you have an intimacy issue i think so yeah that's okay yeah I'm working through it but yeah I think I like I like um I like distance yeah yeah I have intimacy issues only in romance I'll be so intimate with like a stranger on the street exactly and then I'll be like so in love with someone I'm dating and I'll be like what are we doing yeah yeah so that's a that's my situation with it yeah stranger on the street friends co-workers you know what my favorite relationship is police officer and person recording them who knows the law better than them that's a good relationship isn't that a good one yeah I like when that happens that's very fun and the cop's like do you want me to arrest you you can't stand here and he's like uh per subsection 387 you can't bitch yeah and then the cop's like okay okay all right all right man it's awesome never knows the bylaw no never he never knows the subsections or anything and so it's and I almost you know you don't want to feel for the cop of course but it's like it is impossible to know the law like that it takes like a really autistic person with a youtube channel yeah to know to fully know the law you have to be autistic and have a youtube channel but i it is a very fun dynamic to watch that play out you know what this just reminded me of say it my favorite symbol whoa whatever the symbol is that is in the sections do you know the symbol i'm talking about Oh, yes.

22:59With the law. In the contracts. What's the word for that? It's the little squiggly. It's like half ampersand, half infinity sign. It's gorgeous. And is that to denote addendums? I have no idea. What does that denote? Chance Google contract symbol denote.

23:22What do we got? I don't know. It is a really fun one, isn't it? Yeah, it's got like three lines. And I love that you just don't see it often. Yeah, it's very rare. Unless you're in court. It's very rare and sexy, that symbol. You know, paralegals probably, you know what's funny? Paralegals probably don't find that symbol interesting at all. They hate it. They're probably so sick of it. They're probably so sick of seeing it, yeah. Yeah, but then for someone like you and I who doesn't ever get to see it. It's a treat to the eyes. Isn't that funny? And I don't even think it's on the iPhone. I think if we were to try and text it to each other.

23:53Yeah. It might be. I don't know because it's so out of context. Yeah, it's feeling weird and such bold. I would need to see it. Aggressive. Yeah, I would need to see it on a contract. But it feels almost right. That one below it almost feels closer. Like, yeah, when it's like kind of, no, no, no. That's really interesting. Yeah, see, it's hard to find. Yeah, you don't even really know about it. You don't even know how to begin to look for it. I might have to, like, after this episode, try and pull up a contract. Oh, those ones look right. Those feel good. Next to legal. Do those feel like it? Those feel.

24:31Those might be it. Now, what does this mean? Law concept. No one cares about this, by the way. This is not going to hit for the fans. This is going to hit for like three other people. There's going to be like three paralegals watching this being like, tell them. Finally. Anyway, we'll move on. But that is a great symbol. Yeah. Now, I want to think of my favorite symbol. Hmm. Probably, oh, you know what? and I hope this is okay to say with the disability community, but when they have the bathrooms for the handicapable bathrooms and they have the wheelchair guy, but he's going fast as fuck when he's like racing.

25:08Oh, yeah. Because they used to have the wheelchair person just sitting there kind of lackadaisical, like, I'm in a wheelchair. But then now for the bathrooms, they're like, they have him like leaning forward and like racing because they are, can be very fast. With like wind. The chairs. Yeah. Yes, and that's what I'm saying. I really like that. I think the disabled community likes that. I hope so. The new chairs. And I hope they do because I really like it and it made me think they could be going really fast. Yeah, all those, it's like at country western establishments when the bathroom's like a little girl in like a dress.

25:42Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like you can get really creative with symbols. Yeah, it's almost always conservative the way that they, specifically like a restaurant I'd like to eat at. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like titties and hole. And then it's like, and then the other one's like low hanging hog. And it's like, all right. They've gone further into gendering the bathrooms in a way that's like no one needed it. And it's kind of sexual and threatening. Yeah. Really weird shit. Yeah, I do like it though. But then I do too. I like to be able to just pass through. Yeah, and be like, now I'm a part of this culture for the moment.

26:13And then you go into like a leftist place, like a cool late night pizza joint or like a coffee shop or something. and then they've gone too far in another direction where it's like, we don't give a fuck, just wash your hands. Yeah. And it's like, okay. They're like, we took the door off because we don't even care what you're doing in there. We want to watch. And we want to see. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like they're all perverted in different ways. Yeah, the ones that are just, have you ever seen the lefty ones that are like, it'll be like three different aliens in different sizes and it's like, who cares, be nice.

26:40And I'm like, where do I pee? Yeah. Someone tell me where I pee. Where's the toilet? Yeah. Yeah. No, symbols can be very powerful, huh? Yeah. What's your least favorite symbol? There's like such an obvious one. Oh, swastika? Okay, least favorite symbol gotta be swastika. Yeah. Yeah, it's down there. Well, I was thinking symbols like that I could find on my iPhone. I wasn't thinking like grand in that scenario. I guess, yeah, swastika's up there. Although they said that this is every guy. You know, back in the day, it actually was a symbol for peace. Yeah, there's actually a Japanese symbol that's eerily similar.

27:24It's like, well, I think we all know. I did hook up with a guy who had a swastika tattoo, and that was his reasoning. Before we go on, are you going to want us to keep this in? I feel comfortable. Yeah. Okay, cool. Because I didn't see his body, see that tattoo, and go, I got to have that. I need him. Oh, I need him. It was revealed later. And the reason I feel okay is because I'm half Jewish. You know, so I feel like... Mom or dad? Dad. And don't even. No, I was just saying. And don't even. You knew. You're setting me up. You knew. And what difference does it make? Isn't it a pretty maternal lineage on that face?

28:01That's what they say, but I'm like, okay. That's none of my business, by the way. Yeah, thank you. I was Jewish for a couple weeks once. Oh, yeah? Yeah. I was Christian for a couple years. How was it for you? I love it. oh my god youth group yeah i don't want to go to adult church but if i could go back to youth group yeah i would be there in a heartbeat it really was fun i love worshiping i love hosanna i love hillsong united hillsong united oh my god oh i could just do it yeah too bad about all their beliefs but the music is good their music is good i love getting baptized see this was me winning a bar mitzvah i want i also wanted a bar mitzvah okay so you just like to hang out i love community yeah i love community yeah you're not christian you're just a good time yeah yeah yeah i went to christian sleepaway camp whoa yeah i was always really jealous of jewish camps so then summer camps yeah and do you want me to keep that in and do you want us to keep that in i was always really jealous of jewish summer camps yeah yeah specifically jewish sleepaway camp so fun yeah and getting to have the experience of both i will say the jews know how to camp better really yeah i never went to christian sleepaway christian sleepaway camp it's like god is too involved they're so obsessed with jesus that it infiltrates every element of camp yeah you can't wear a two-piece bathing bathing suit why because jesus yeah i'm like what's he doing like why is he a fucking pervert if he's gonna get worked up about me in a two-piece bathing suit i have no tits i'm in middle school yeah let me wear a two-piece bathing suit i'm with you jewish sleep away camp you could just wear pasties little tassels on your tits they don't care they're like have fun yeah because you're a child yeah you're trying yeah who cares live it up that makes sense to me oh no one gets no one was getting fingered at christian sleepaway camp Really?

29:59Yes, because God is watching Well, it's such a scary faith Oh my god, someone cried at Christian sleep-wake camp Because they had already had sex And I'm like, tell us about it I want to know Oh my god, it was so annoying Yeah, but there was a lot of There was a lot of stuff going down at the Jewish sleep-wake camp Not for me, but for other people, yeah Okay, other people were having fun I was observing that people were having a good time sexually Wow Y 'all, the only thing better than spilling some tea, Diva, is sipping on a delicious flavored tea from Palm Teas. Palm Wonderful Antioxidant Super Teas provide a unique, refreshing flavor, honey.

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32:21You guys can't make out at the graveyard. And the whole town got so mad that they just backed off of it. The adults were like, let the kids make out at paradise. Why didn't they want people making out at paradise? I guess the cops were just like, we shouldn't be letting teens just go to the cemetery and fuck around up there. It's dangerous. They're leaving alcohol bottles or something. And then the parents were like, come on, man. Cemeteries are a third space. Yes. We need more third spaces. Yeah. I think I think you used it correctly. That was my first time using it. Yeah? Yeah. Okay, I was wondering because I don't think people are using it correctly.

32:57I don't know if I used it correctly. I've heard it. Well, you used it as a joke in the correct way. People were being like, ugh, I love a third space. And then they're at a restaurant. I'm like, is a restaurant a third space? I think it's a restaurant. Yeah. I think third space is supposed to be a place where you don't have to spend money to hang out, isn't it? I think so, yeah. Like a place to gather. Yeah. Like a gazebo in a park or something. Sure. Right? Yeah. I also don't. A library? Yes. But you can't be loud. No, but I don't think that's a requirement of Third Space. I feel like libraries need to do some rebranding.

33:28Oh, yeah? I feel like maybe, because I feel like people, you know. The Third Space is a term coined by U.S. sociologist Ray Oldenburg in his 1989 book, The Great Good Place. It describes a place outside your home or work where you can relax and hang out. Your first place is your home, a private and domestic space. So maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm wrong, but I do think this happens every once in a while. The culture gets really hooked on one idea. You just have to hear about it forever. Yeah. Like right now it's this thing, and I've been part of it, and I actually really like it, but I'm sure you've heard the bunch, the cost of community is inconvenience.

34:04Everyone's on that right now. Yeah. And then I don't see many people acting differently, but I like that phrase. I think that's true, but it's getting ubiquitous to a point now where I'm like, all right, now I'm feeling the need to be contrarian and annoying about it. You know? even though I agree with it. And I feel like sometimes phrases like that will be weaponized. Where it's like you'll ask someone to I don't know, do something for you take you to the airport and they're like so you don't want community? I'll remember that when your house is burning. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well I was there when your baby was sick.

34:39So maybe take off work to take me to the airport. That's the cost of community. Yeah. I think I really like it as an idea i wonder what it is in me that wants to stop hearing about it though you know because it's an idea that i do like yeah maybe the phrasing it feels like it would be on a wooden like a wooden um yeah it would be etched in wood and sold at cracker barrel yeah not anymore how you feel about that i'm sad yeah i love cracker barrel really i do oh wow i love cracker I love, I grew up in Southern California. I grew up in Long Beach. And so franchises and chains like Cracker Barrel just didn't exist.

35:27Waffle House and others. Yeah. Marin, Cracker Barrel. Others. Others. Yeah. They didn't exist. So I feel like when I travel and I see one, I'm like, I must go. Yeah. I must go. That's really beautiful. Opposite for me. Chain restaurants only existed. and then when I got to like Chicago and there were restaurants that were like farm to table like cute like chic restaurants I was like whoa that's crazy at first I hated them because I was like well I don't know what none of these are a blooming onion you know I truly when I first moved out of Missouri as like a like a 22 year old I was like why would we go to a restaurant that has tapas like I don't understand how to eat that I get an entree we get a nap why would we have a restaurant where the menu's changing seasonally yeah i want to have a familiar favorite i want my favorite dish cook it out of season i don't want to look at the menu yeah see that's not a good way to eat though right totally but that was my life yeah you understand yeah i do yeah i do yeah i do yeah i do cracker barrel i here's what i'll say and they have games at the table by the way here's what i'll say about everyone getting bent out of shape about the rebrand do i like the rebrand no i think it's ugly and hideous but all these like left-wing people the right-wing people are upset about it because they're like we like when america was white or whatever that's their thing they're like they're like it used to be okay to be a white man in a rocking chair or whatever they've got their whole own thing with it but then leftist people when i make fun of the right-wing people they're going they're going well you know stripping color and character from branding is part of fascism they're all really on that right now oh they're like mcdonald mcdonald's being brown and gray now that's fascism i'm like you know we have actual fascism going on yeah it's not just your favorite restaurant looking a little bland.