Bowen Yang Has Room for Potential

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31:17I love when people, uh, don't get angry. Isn't that nice? I don't think I, I think I've, I think I've like tested it out for myself. And the last, like my rage and like, just, it doesn't come out. Yeah. And I'm like proud of that. I have managed to get it down to minor little things. Yeah. I have managed like you know these guys will see me fly off the handle for 15 seconds about like a rental car totally no that's okay that I'm like but I'm like you guys have no fucking idea the guy I grew up with like this is 15 seconds about a rental car is actually like this is worlds of progress of course and then I move on and I go hey sorry about that pretty quickly quick quick and acknowledging and remorseful so cool these are like massive changes from the way that i was raised yeah so i go that's fine and look you've already broken the cycle hello hello wake it up wake that up what did you what did you experiment rage with what an experiment oh i didn't conduct these tests on myself but like there were just so many so many moments just professionally and i don't know like relationally with people where i'm like that is fucking crazy that you that this would happen to me or that would not happen to me but You know what I mean?

32:39Like this circumstance would, should, could like make me angry. Yeah. And instead I was like, okay, let's think about this. Yeah. That was fucked up, wasn't it? That was really fucked up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that's, unless that's scarier. I don't know. What do you think? I'm never going to like blow up at someone. I don't think blowing up is ever helpful. No. You can feel your emotions without letting yourself be like completely beholden to them. I think it's fine to be like I'm mad at you You really pissed me off I don't want to talk to you for a little bit But blowing up is like what am I going to do Yell at you I'm not like a psychopath But like I have like yelling fantasies Yeah But I never act on them Okay so is that What's that about Well I don't know I don't know but I'm glad you don't do it I just I just want to say like I just want to say like how dare you oh fun you know yeah I've never had the chance I've had the chance I've just never acted on it do you watch a lot of Real Housewives of course that's what it is oh like we like we like sort of exercise that through the viewing I think I think I actually have identified that some of my some of my loved ones who watch a lot of reality TV are specifically sometimes maybe even subconsciously getting excited about the idea of having a conflict like that 100 % of being like it's not even that it's the principal whoa I had that on a trip once where it was clearly this guy like wanted to live out a house like we were like at an outdoor dinner a six top and he like went crazy and we're like that's not okay the cameras aren't rolling the cameras aren't rolling yeah We're all like actual friends.

34:33Like, whatever. There's just a million things to say. But I'm just like, and now I don't talk to that person. Everybody has had the group trip that ruined group trips for you. Yeah. Weren't you and Sid talking about this recently? Sure, sure we were. You, because, okay, you and I would actually, oh, what do you think about this? Because you're a logistics king. Yeah. I am trying to move away from that because I feel like I default to booking everything in a way that sometimes I go, oh, well, can someone else do this? Oh, yeah. But everyone just puts it on me. Yeah. I've been saying this in dating.

35:06I really soon, I think I'd like to date someone, I'd like to date someone who really makes things happen. Sometimes, not all the time, but sometimes just goes like, hey, Thursday night we're doing this at this time. I'll pick you up. Oh!

35:24What? That would be amazing. And would you, like, would that be, like, a learned dependency thing where, like, you totally give that up once this thing is introduced? Like, you think I totally give up being that guy because then he's the guy? I was talking to someone about this yesterday where he was like, oh, it's a learned dependency thing. Like, this thing that you could have done in the past, now you have no idea how to do anymore because you've learned to depend on someone else for it. I have that with my business managers. Well, that's different. You pay them. you pay them and like i don't know anything about things i used to be so good at with my money i'm like i don't even know my you used to be good with money anymore oh yeah oh future business leaders america for future farmers yeah growing up extremely poor totally totally yeah you rock you understood bureaucracy yeah i was pretty good i made things happen i lived on an amount of money that should not have been livable for a long pretty good portion of my adult life i would say my first job out of college i was making 26 000 a year wow and living in chicago and like doing improv every night and finding a way to never cook a meal at home because I was never in the home.

36:27That's crazy. A lot of it was stealing from Whole Foods, though. And I consider that to be being good with money. Absolutely. Stealing from Whole Foods is a thing I was very happy to do for a number of years. And what would it be? Like one acorn squash? Like, what would it be? Oh, honey, full meals from the hot bar. Yes. Full meals from the hot bar. Well, I don't want to. I just want to share. Oh, totally. No, if you need to steal from Whole Foods, I can't recommend it enough. Especially now. I mean, And back then, it was a different thing. Now it's even better to steal from Whole Foods. Of course.

36:56If you want to, allegedly.

37:00If you allegedly want to. If you allegedly want to, there's room for potential. Go ahead and get yourself a full takeout box of dinner. Go ahead and load it up with everything you'd like. All the tikka masala. And go ahead and go to the self-checkout and ring it up as one small soup. You can't try to steal outright. You have to steal smartly. You steal$42 worth of dinner for the cost of$5 of soup. Yep. You don't try to take the whole box without paying at all. That's where people fuck up. That's where people fuck up. You got to spend a little money to make a little money. Absolutely. You know what I mean?

37:34God, and this is the thing. You're talking about Chicago. This is a thing in New York. It's like in most cities now, but in artist cities, it used to be that like you could be like struggling and still have it be livable yeah now it's just like oh that gap is crazy i mean hopefully now it's changing in new york at least but it's like i hope these city-run grocery stores might really help stuff out yeah i'm hopeful for that i really want that to work out really well because i would love it to be something that's um able to be emulated obviously of course i just it's so it's so cool that like people keep coming here and like wanting to like get things started uh in a creative way but it's also like but god it was just so much easier it really was just easier back in the day even like 10 years ago to like come here and like work like a low-paying job and still like have time to like go and meet your people or and then do your shows and do your make your art or whatever like it's just harder to do that now it's harder to get started which is so sad apple pay is the simple, secure, and fast way to pay.

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39:17Like Tony Soprano style? That's how I feel. Or am I just now like a little older and kind of removed from the nexus of it? Like I'm sure there are kids in Chicago right now doing fucking weird ass indie shows in basements and addicts the way that we were when I was 22 and sounding ancient vibes.

39:38No worries. Sounding simply like an elder. Like I've been summoned from a clay pot or something. But I'm sure they're doing stuff that in like 10 years, they're going to be like, God, 2026 in Chicago was the good old days. I think we've, I think we've earned, I think as long as one second passes, you're allowed to be like, you're allowed to wax. Oh, I mean, I was thinking the other day about the final Hell Trap Nightmare show in Chicago. Did I talk about this on the podcast? What year was that? Was that 20? That would have been 2019. Oh, I thought it was like post-pandemic. They moved to LA pre-pandemic.

40:19Yeah, when they all moved. Yeah, Sarah and the Shrimp Boys. Wyatt and David and Luke and all those guys. But yeah, do you know what, Bowen? I actually was thinking this morning about you doing the show, and I was like, oh my gosh, I'm so excited to see Bowen. And then I was thinking about how big of a deal, and I wonder if you and Matt know this, but when you guys would come to town and do the I Don't Think So Honey shows, it like sent tidal waves through the community. All the comics in Chicago would be like, did you get a I Don't Think So Honey slot? Oh, shit. And it was crazy. That's mortifying, actually.

40:52No, it was awesome. It was because you guys did so many slots and really gave people time to do their thing. It was like a thing where people would like, for weeks you would run into comics and they'd be like, okay, I thought of another. I don't think so, honey. And I really think this is the one I'm going to do. Like people were, do you remember this chance? Yeah. It was like, it was like you would run into a comic like three times in a week leading up to the show and they would be like, okay, I think this is the one I'm going to do. It was awesome. Yeah. It was really sweet. That's really sweet of you to say.

41:20And I also, of course, am mortified. Why? About like the people who like didn't, who like were bummed because they didn't get the invite. Of course, but that's life, sweetheart. That's showbiz, kid. That's showbiz, kid. Although, you know, Matt wasn't even at that show. was Pat Regan. I know. On mine, yeah. On yours, yeah, yeah, yeah. The one in Chicago. That was a fun time. I kind of am toying with, like, I think we should do that again. You should do that again. Because we would go to different cities and it would be, like, 30 or 40 or 50, depending on, like, the scale of the town. Like, I don't know, like, Houston, Texas was, like, we were, like, lucky to get 20.

41:54Yeah, of course. Which is just to say that, like, there weren't that many, like, queer adjacent comedians who were, like, got it. and understood what we were trying to do. Yeah. Which wasn't even that. It's not prohibitive. It's like, do a minute. Yeah. Just do one minute. Anyway, we want to do something here. Fun. Where it's like a little outdoor festival thing. Oh, cute. Holmes is starting a comedy festival. Who is? Holmes. Oh, my God. They're in Chicago? No, here. August 1st. It's called About to Bus Fest, I think. That's a great name. We can't compete with Holmes? No, no, no. you do a different thing but I'm saying I'm so excited by like the like our little group of comics kind of like circling back around and being like should we make like weird live shows again yes it's fun it's so fun I'm really excited for Holmes' Fest they've been working really hard on it it's all I guess I don't know the technical language they're using but it's all like femme, trans, non-binary like women like no no cis guys basically which is of course like your best friend but sure Don't book me.

43:01I guess for your politics or whatever the fuck. But I guess I'm supportive. No, this is a situation where like you're, it's a bringer and like you should be brought by a woman. I want to be brought by a woman. This is one of those spaces that would be great if a woman brought me. I think home should consider a ratio where like for every like 20 femmes, one cis guy. Yeah, and he's like duct taped over the mouth or something. No hate. No hate. Yeah. No hate on it. With the no hate. Yeah, yeah, yeah. God, that was so chic. Wait, I had a question for you that I wanted to ask earlier. What do you think is the most important quality in a person?

43:36Important's not the word I want to use. Okay. What do you think is the most admirable or, like, exciting quality in a person? Are you ready for, like, such a boring answer? I really am. I think people misunderstand nihilism. 45's so true. are those my questions no no that's not even for you that's for me to stay on track with the episode because all I do is run my mouth back to you no that's a good thing

44:11people misunderstand nihilism they think of it as passive nihilism where it's like you understand things are meaningless you stay in despair Nietzsche also kind of describes active nihilism where you understand that everything's meaningless and now you have no choice but this is like an affirmative thing for you to create your own meaning yeah it's not a quality god it's such a terrible answer like an understanding of like you're saying nihilism in a positive let's make meaning because we yes we don't have we don't have inherent meaning so let's make some and be fun about it exactly that kind of thing and like the best kind of meaning I mean this word is this word is going through like a weird thing right now.

44:59The people seem to be like allergic to like people like pushing for community. They're like, there's no such thing. As community? I think like I'm seeing shit on my algorithm where it's like, like everyone's faking. Everyone's really forcing community onto like all these different things. And it's like, well, yeah, because that is like. Oh, I almost started crying. That makes me so sad. It makes me so sad. To hear that people feel that way. Especially as we're talking about like, like your like coterie of comedians that you came up with all like circling back. like gaining the sort of kind of ability to like make new things, make weird shit.

45:32Like I love anyone who like is, I think the best quality in a person is someone who like wants to plug in even just a little bit. I think like I I'm with you. Like I've just the right amount of agoraphobia. I think you can have a little bit of agoraphilia if you want. Yeah. I mean, that's like a nice, it's just, it's your thing where you're like, I'm not going to be depressed for more than two days. I'm not going to like, not, not, not that. I'm not, I'm just not gonna like be depressed in a way that like I don't leave the apartment for two days Although sometimes that's like necessary But I feel like my favorite quality in a person Is someone who like is down to like Stop by the party for a little bit You gotta do it anyway And someone that you can like leave alone at a party You don't have to worry about them Hottest quality That to me hottest quality If I am seeing somebody and I take them to a thing And they can hold their own and not Not only handle it but also not have feelings about it Yes Fuck.

46:25That is so hot and cool. I love that. Who is there someone on the roster who like fits that? Oh, well, first of all, I would never refer to my boys. As a roster. My boys are not a roster. My boys are, well, they're a beautiful and beloved community. A brotherhood. A brotherhood of man. A brotherhood of man. Is there anyone on the roster? No, don't answer that. It's such a terrible roster. I'm happy to talk about it. Okay. I talk about everything on here. Yep. In fact, the only thing I tell people that I'm seeing is like, let's wait a little bit before we watch the show. You know what I mean? Let's just hold off on that.

46:59Wait, what do you mean? I'm like, unless you actively already are like a fan of my podcast. Oh, yes, yes, yes. Don't tap in. Don't like just take a little bit on that. Totally. I'm seeing a couple of really cool guys right now. And I am really. You can leave them alone at a party? What's that? You can leave them alone at a party. How many of them have I taken to a party? One of them for sure have taken him to things and he's been very cool. Cool. Um, the others, it's been more cash than that. I also am, like, just obsessed with my friends in a way that I'm, like, if I'm out with my friends, I just really, really would like to be focused on my friends.

47:35Like, I'm not really trying to, like, I don't know. I'm not really trying to. Absorb. Yeah, or, like, focus on some guy. Like, if I bring a guy around, it's usually either just circumstantial. that I'm like, oh, this is the only time we can see each other for two weeks. Sure, come to this thing with me. Or that I'm like, I actually really like this guy. Let's see how he does with my friends. It depends. But yeah, I really just want to focus on my friends. My friends are the most special, interesting, beautiful people on earth. I want to hang out with them. And then if there's a guy there that I'm going to sleep with later, that's cool.

48:05Totally. You're so artful with your friendships. Oh, Bowen. You are. You knock it off. Everyone just drops their shoulders when they talk about you. That's actually maybe the nicest thing That anyone's ever said to me Wait, I'm gonna make this about me The best compliment I've ever gotten Thank god, what is it? You feel like a You're like a human hot tub Huh Like everyone just like And that's like, I'm like, I have to chase that forever now Just relaxes Which is, I'm giving you that compliment But I'm not re-gifting it No, it's a different one. It's inspired by. It's inspired by. I feel that about you.

48:49I feel very relaxed around you. Likewise. What is it? Something for potential? Room for potential. Room for potential. Room for potential is awesome, actually. Let's use it. Let's spend some time on room for potential. Let's spend some time on room for potential. Okay, but just to go back to the answer to the question. So the nihilism into community thing, those are linked because of this video game that I love, that I play every now and then. It's an online game and, like, it's, like, a 10-year story. Like, they've been recently expansions for 10 years. And, like, there's this whole crazy, like, world creation thing where they, like, whatever.

49:24It's so an entelechy and, like, it absorbs, like, all of humanity's sort of, like, woes. And it basically, like, goes into full nihilism. It goes into despair by, like, telling everybody, like, there is no hope for civilization. like every civilization in this universe has like fallen to war famine genocide whatever yeah um there's no reason for anyone to exist i'm gonna kill you all yeah and then through the story and through playing with other people real people in the world you understand that like the the meaning that gets created out of the nihilism and the despair is that that despair is not a terminal that out of despair you have to find community it's like and as you're playing with other people you understand like oh like doing this silly thing this frivolous thing like playing a video game is actually quite beautiful yeah and like this is what actually like gets you through to the other side of sadness or something i completely love that i went through a really annoying phase in college that chance can attest to he was there for it uh where my big thing was that we're all gonna die and i would say it constantly and it was and i would use it as I mean, I was extremely depressed.

50:37So that was playing a role. That old chestnut. And I was just saying it all the time and being so annoying and nihilistic, derogatory. Boots, yeah. And nihilistic boots, derogatory. Room for boots. And I was just being, I was really annoying. I was just really, really annoying and Eeyore vibes. And I, yeah. And what vibes? Eeyore. Just like sad, depressing. Like, why would anyone invite you to the function? I kind of hate those things that are like, it's so nice that they still invite Eeyore, even though he's depressed. He's like, no, you're being a fucking bummer. Snap out of it. Sorry, you need to figure it out.

51:10And that's how I felt about myself at the time. I was like, you've got to stop this. You're being really fucking annoying. But then that is the thing is it's like, okay, so fine, that's true. You win. We're all going to die and nothing matters. And so then the only thing that matters is the journey that we're on to get there. And why not make it so beautiful and fun and nice and lovely? like you wanting to be a parent is like the most optimistic thing yeah i have no hope for my kids i think they're totally doomed i think all kids being born right now oh my gosh i mean so then how do you reconcile that with like i want one that i'm like well i just think what else is that we're all we're all doomed regardless it's like in doomed i don't mean in like a sad way i just mean like yeah the project of humanity is going to end like that is okay that's like something we just know now and that was like okay so let's just like have fun and do beautiful things along the way and i think raising a child would be like a beautiful project i love that you know what i mean it's just like why i don't know why not to me i find it not dissimilar from like making art or anything where it's like when people are like well how could you have a kid knowing that it's gonna uh that everything's gonna end and there's no point and i go how could you make a tv show totally why be creative at all why write a song why make yeah why look at a beautiful flower and smile oh hello hello oh you know what to make it about me yeah um which i hate to do it makes me sick um my i say it all the time on this show but my favorite quality in a person curiosity yes i love a curious bitch i just love curious george what are you looking for i love it it's so fun there are endless things to be curious about and choosing to be curious about anything on my best days i'm curious and on my worst most annoying days where i don't like the way am behaving, it's because I'm refusing to be curious.

52:59Everything's exciting. This goes into, I agree, but this also goes, I have one little asterisk, which is my... Give it to me. Oh my God. Bo and Yang, what is so true to you? What is so true to me is that we should all take a year break and stop recommending things to each other. Wow. Say it. Thank you. We have to catch up. Yes. Nothing gets made or recommended for a year. Things can get made. Okay. Don't recommend. you know what I mean if you choose to make something in the next year just know it's not getting recommended that's what it is but it will in the future totally we'll look back on it and go oh that's from the dark period where we didn't recommend you know what I mean absolutely it kills something in me and I'm trying to actively undo this or just be better about it it's like if I watch something like I should just not keep it to myself but I want to I need to resist the urge to like look at what the reviews were, look what other people are saying, like look at the letterboxd or something.

54:00I'm like, oh, it should, and I've gotten much better at that. But this is just, this is all to say that like, I'm curious about the things. I want the curiosity to be sort of self-generated and not sort of like hand, like white gloved to me. It starts to feel like, I really, really do agree with this because it starts to feel like mandatory viewing. That it's like everyone goes like, everyone goes like heated rivalry. Right. you simply must you have to have done he privately and it's like I actually don't have to have done that I just which the show seems great it's not about that show but it's like it becomes this thing where it's like hey there's 12 minutes where we're gonna talk about something get in on it it's compulsory it's really yeah intense I don't love the culture of like binging and obsessing that's going on right now yes and I'm on to something you're on to something no recommendations for a year could really save us now if I had my way I would take that and turn it into we're all going to shut down phones in the internet for a year.

54:58Of course, of course. In general, and then just come back. Somebody was saying this recently, actually, and it just leapt out to me because maybe Michael Cruz Cain. Love him. Love him. Him and Asher Perlman have a new podcast, and I think maybe they were talking about it on there. Boys, if you weren't, I'm so sorry. Two handsome guys. Two handsome, nice guys. I know. But I like both. I'm objectifying them. But I was like, I think maybe they were saying it, and I was like, yes, I've been feeling this. Let's just shut everything off for a year. Let's see what happens. and then as we come back, we can just phase in the necessary things.

55:27Like maybe we'll come back and go, you know what? Email was great. Let's keep email. Isn't this what we said during COVID though? I thought it was going to happen and then it didn't happen. Emails? I actually don't agree with the email. What if it was the only thing we had? No. You don't feel like your life is governed by emails? I try not to look at them at all. Sorry, Michelle. Oh my God. I mean, I look at them, but I'm like, I just don't think much about them. I just rattle off a response where I like. I'm the same actually. I'm like, whatever with that. But you know, like Julio Torres' whole thing, he's got like 18 ,000 unread emails.

55:59Does he? And he just does it. It's like he describes it as a river. It's like if I don't catch the pebble or whatever, it's like it's just gone. I'm not seeing it. I'm trying to become really difficult. Yeah? I'm on a journey to becoming really difficult. Oh, my God. That's so nice to be difficult and not angry. I don't know why I'm putting those two things next to each other. Yeah, I'm trying to get to a place where like, and I think I'm actually halfway there, where actually the people who like, Like my managers will just tell people like, yeah, sorry, it's really hard to get a hold of him. We'll let you know if we're able to.

56:27I think that would be nice. I like that. I got really used to that during culture awards for both years. For all the years we've done it where it's like this person, we're still waiting to hear back from him. And it's been two weeks. And it's actually great because all you can do is go like, okay. Yeah, hope we get it. And if not, no worries. There's no reason to be angry. There's no reason to like have like, because it just like gums up the works. It's like, oh, well, it's keeping you from, like, going on to something else and doing the next thing. To be unreachable is, like, one of the chicest things you can be right now.

56:57And I would love to get there. Unfortunately, I'm deeply reachable. I can change. I'm reachable. I know. I would love to. But it's like I want my loved ones to reach me. Yes. But I want, I got to find out how to, you know, it's like, you know when they're sorting sheep with the little gate? Yeah. And the big ones go this way and the small ones go that way? This is Future Farmers of America stuff. That's what I'm, yeah. when I say little gate and big ones and small ones, I obviously retained what I was supposed to be retaining in that organization. But yeah, I want to filter like, okay, this is loved ones go here.

57:30People I don't want to hear from go there. And this goes back to what we were talking about earlier. Beginning of the episode, it's like, uh, I would, I would love for, I would love to be like top of mind. Yes. And likewise. And like, I, I'm, I'm available. I'm reachable. Let's hang. can i ask you a question yeah it's a big one well which one do i want to ask oh gosh i can do both um what god yes or no exists or not um yeah hell hopefully you think helpful hopefully christian god uh i don't know no worries what about you i'm trying to figure it out yeah yeah I recently. Cool. Can't talk more about it.

58:17Can't talk more about it. It's really working on some stand-up about it. In fact, we'll probably cut that. I have this battle recently. We'll bleep that. I have this battle recently where I want to say things on the podcast because I'm sitting here with my friend. And I'm like, you're working on stand-up about that. Do not blow it. Oh, that's nice. Other people have different opinions on that. They go, oh, sure, I'll test it on the show and then whatever. I'm like, I really want to preserve it. You don't think there's something in the aesthetic of a stand-up set or an hour or what have you where people can sort of get on your level and be like, I might have heard like a snippet of this before, but let me just, I will react as if it's a new thing because this is just, this is the contract.

59:01They totally would. I am psychotically precious about repeating material and giving people a unique show. That's cool. Oh, I love that. I feel so bad about people spending money to see me live that I just really, it feels so insane to me that I'm like, you worked really hard for that money and now I'm going to stand up here and talk about my sex life or whatever. I know. I really, really, really want to deliver a unique show. I try to keep, I have a note of every set that I do and where I did it and what time. And so I go, okay, I did Mateo's show at the Bell House on June 13th and I did these jokes.

59:38I'm doing Mateo's show at the Bell House in February. A lot of the same people will probably be there. I can't do any of those jokes. And I try really hard to stick to it. I feel the same way about the podcast. But all this is to say, God, yes. I think I'm trying to decide if I have a faith. I'm back on that. I'm trying to decide if I fall into a category. I think God, as a force that moves us towards good, I do think people are generally good. I think there's a force that pushes us towards love in the universe. I think there's a current. whether you choose to like be in it or not is up to you.

1:00:09But I think you can stand on the banks, but I think there's a current that moves us all towards the same place of love. If we choose to dive in, do I think it's a person who sits in the sky and makes judgments about people's morality? I don't know. I think likely not. I have been experimenting with the idea recently that everybody goes to heaven. And that maybe when you get to heaven, that we have ultimate clarity about what we did to each other on earth. and that if you were hateful and mean and violent and horrible on earth that you are in a type of hell in heaven with the rest of us because you're miserable and ashamed and embarrassed about the way you behave down here.

1:00:45Oh, my God. And that carrying that weight would be hell, but that you're not, like, burning in a lake of fire. You're actually in a peaceful place, but you can't enjoy it because you're reckoning with the bad that you did to others. And then your project in heaven is to try and, like, deal with the weight of the guilt from what you did to people while you were there with free will. that's been very comforting to me because I do of course think about if everybody goes to heaven what happens to the people who do awful awful things and I just think that would be horrible to be in a perfect ideal place with complete clarity about your behavior and have to carry the immense emotional spiritual burden of realizing oh I did really really bad down there and you exist with that for eternity Yeah, that whatever was wrong with you on earth that you couldn't process that and stop and not do the things you were doing, that clarity comes to you in heaven and you feel the hurt and the pain that you gave to others and you just have to exist with it up there.

1:01:48And maybe there's something to, if you feel that burden while you're on earth, maybe that balances the ledger ever so slightly. That's what I'm thinking is that then when you get to heaven and you have complete clarity, you're not shocked because you lived a life of like empathy and correctness and like trying to do the right, trying to just do right by people that you get to heaven and you actually get to enjoy the perfection of it and the ease of it and the utopia of it because on earth you, you genuinely did your best. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. That would be really nice. My God, Caleb.

1:02:26but I think no hell I don't I can't hell doesn't make any sense to me eternal suffering is just like what are we talking about yeah I also have been thinking recently about how oftentimes like religious people will say that God's ways are higher than ours but they only use it to justify God's cruelty they never talk about God's ways being higher than ours to justify a type of love that we couldn't understand oh my god of course like humans don't deserve eternal suffering no Like life is already Pain to begin with Hello Like that is the universal That is the universal experience of life Yeah It's gonna hurt Might be some good stuff in there Definitely it's gonna hurt It's gonna hurt one way or another Yeah it's gonna hurt and it's gonna end Those are the promises Caleb Hey So cool So true So true And let's put it on a t-shirt Life is gonna hurt and life is going to end.

1:03:24So true podcast. We haven't done a merch drop in a long time, you guys. Wave. What can we do? What was the other thing I was going to ask you? Oh, what do you want, Bowen? This is a great way to end. Well, we have to play a game. But like, what do you want? What's the big dream and like, what's the hope? I just want to, I think you and I are very similar. Like, I just want to be with my friends. That's all. That's really, it's that simple. it's that simple have you ever heard of it ever heard of like the romance stuff yeah whatever I like I'm great with it I'm great without it the work stuff great with it fine without it it's been out a little that's cause like that's some conditioning from ever since I was born I guess but no friendship comedic and so this is and this ties into like bringing someone at a party and not having to worry about them It's like it all feeds into like being amongst like the, the Lucy Dacus says it's the difficultness of being with other people, but that's what makes it fun, interesting, awkward, whatever.

1:04:34Yeah. Like I difficultness. I know that's sick parentheses, sick or brackets, sick. It's not, not the right word, but brackets completely sick, completely sick. Sick. Yeah. What do I want? Yeah. Just to be with friends. I love that. I think that's completely. And I want you to come to Cockstuck Island. To Cockstuck Island? Oh my god, here we go. But I know I'm like the millionth person. I think if you were to come, I'm going this week with Josh and Matt and Celeste was supposed to come. We're like a chill house. We just stay in. We go to the tea sometimes and dance and it's kind of fun, but then we're like, bye, we're going home.

1:05:14I think you would like that. This week? This week. When? And we leave Thursday. you want to come for a little bit? Is there a bed for Caleb? Is there a bed for Caleb? I'll consider it. Genuinely, let's talk. Let's talk. Let's talk. If it's you, Josh, Matt, and Celeste. It's me. Celeste can no longer come. It's me, Josh, Matt, Aaron Jackson. Love. And our friend, have you met Jared Frieder? Lovely. You'll love him. I don't know Jared Frieder. Sweet guy. Shout out Jared. Shout out Jared. And then people are kind of cycling in. I know Katie might come. Gavin might come. Oof, deal breaker. I know.

1:05:46Hate. Hate. Kidding. Kidding. I love you so much. can you make almost a lust for a day next week um and it's just a cute time i low-key starting on friday for about nine days have a big yellow hold on my calendar that says vacation question mark so it's looking it's looking like i could come and you know what maybe i am you're catching me in an era where i'm trying to say yes to things that will surprise my friends this would be the gag i know and i've been doing really good i've been saying yes to things i've been saying yes to things lately that my friends are going, really? And I like that.

1:06:20This is a big capital R really. Capital R really capital G gag. Capital RFP, room for potential. Capitalizing the four, that's big. Let's play a game. I'm going to read you 15 statements. You're going to tell me as quickly as you can if what I just said was true or false. If you get 10 or more correct, we're going to give you 50 US dollars. And can I just say, I'm reflecting in this moment on the fact that we, Chance and I talked about this segment, before I started the show. And I was like, oh yeah, we'll try it. And it low-key has become everyone's favorite thing. This is truly incredible. Please never, ever.

1:06:57We can't. No. We can't stop. I know. Everyone loves it. There are more regal cinemas than AMC cinemas. False. That is false. Adult house cats have 30 permanent teeth. False. It's true. The Marlton Hotel is the oldest hotel in New York City. False. False. It's the Algonquin. Walker, Texas Ranger ran for five seasons. That seems too short. False. False. It was nine. Smoky Hill High's improv team is the Improvsters. False. Spontaneous combustion. False. It's spontaneous combustion. South by Southwest held its first festival in 1987. False. That is true. Oh. Afghanistan is the world's largest landlocked country.

1:07:35That's interesting.

1:07:40False. False. It's Kazakhstan. Paris Hilton loves to go catch and release frog hunting. False. True. I said false for all of these Yeah Pitt Stadium was the Pittsburgh Steelers' first home field True False Forbes field NYU's colors are purple and white False, just purple Violet False, violet and white Violet Oh, never mind But knowing the violet Hey, no Lightning is hotter than the surface of the sun Lightning? Mm-hmm False It's true Damn One mile is approximately 1.6 kilometers False True Venus has two moons. False. False. Zero moons. Four is a composite number. I don't know. True? True. I don't even know what a composite number is.

1:08:27Sorry, guys. Brisbane is the third most populous city in Australia. I don't think so. False. It's true. Damn. How do you do? Eight. Eight. Really close to ten. That's okay. Bowen, we just love you. Think about it. Think about it this week. We just love you. We're going to talk off camera. Okay. As soon as these cameras cut in any moment now, we'll talk about it. Is there anything you want to tell people about what they should watch, find, do? I'm not doing anything. Lost Coltree says every single week. Sure. With Matt Rogers, who we love. We love. Oh, my God. We love. SNL reruns on the Peacock app.

1:09:03Reruns on the app.

1:09:07Oh, my God. Yellow taxi cab outside Taylor Swift's wedding. Yes. Catch me in the yellow cab. Fire Island Pines, potentially with me in a giant hat holding a bag of books. That's what we're doing. In the background. We're wearing big hats, reading books. Oh my God. I know if Josh is there. Bowen, I just love you. Thanks for doing the pod. Love you. Apple Pay is the simple, secure, and fast way to pay. That's because your credit or debit card is right on your iPhone. Accepted at millions of places, from big box stores to boutiques, you can check out with your iPhone anywhere contactless payments are accepted.

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