In short
Customer service breakdowns, painful tattoos, language/identity jokes, haunted-apartment vs. mental health/mold speculation, and chaotic restaurant work stories, ending with boundary/anger and fashion insecurity.
Guests
Carly Kane (host/guest; comedian/creative, lives in an old building; believes she may have a ghost in her apartment but is also concerned about sanity/mental health) and Caleb Heron (co-host/guest; former customer service/assistant/restaurant worker; discusses his own job history and relationship dynamics).
Key claims
- City Bike e-bikes won’t dock; Carly has repeatedly DM’d customer service and waits ~10 minutes for apologies.
- Carly’s “grandpa ghost” theory may actually be black mold and/or depression; she links “creepy” feelings to breakups.
- Ghosts are framed as possibly “sad” and not fun; Carly fears losing her sanity/psychosis.
- Caleb argues customer service used to be caring; now companies hang up or delay.
Notable examples
- Carly’s Hartford, CT shin stick-and-poke tattoo was excruciating; she clawed the plastic off the stencil.
- A coffee shop encounter: a fan approaches while Carly is emotionally vulnerable.
- Restaurant anecdotes: chlamydia spreading across a staff; managers yelling at a 16-year-old; blind regular petting a host’s head; Uber Eats tip rage.
Written by AI. May contain mistakes. Listen to the episode to check what was said.
Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOTattoo Pain Experience
0:05 to 0:40
Carly shares a recent painful tattoo experience.
“That reminds me, I got a tattoo last weekend and it was the most painful, it was like one of the most painful tattoos I've ever gotten.”
Issues with E-Bikes
0:40 to 1:22
Discussion about frustrations with e-bikes and customer service.
“They're slower and they won't go in the docks.”
Customer Service Stories
1:22 to 2:28
Carly and Caleb share their experiences in customer service roles.
“Yes, and I deeply cared and it was horrible.”
Senate Office Intern Insights
2:28 to 3:22
Carly discusses her experience as an intern in a senator's office.
“Which I don't know if you can imagine the incoming calls at a Democratic senator's office in Missouri.”
Customer Interaction Anecdotes
3:22 to 4:48
Carly recalls memorable interactions while working in customer service.
“I didn't see people calling like looking for their medication.”
The Complexity of Touch
4:48 to 7:42
A lively discussion about boundaries and physical touch in friendships.
“You like get me high and then you're like touching my inner thigh And I'm like Carly That's absolutely untrue The only kind of vulnerable touch I give it can I say what happened in the coffee shop?”
Tattoo Pain and Experience
7:42 to 9:10
Carly shares more about her tattoo experience and the pain involved.
“And they're like, look at your right foot.”
Cultural Appropriation in Tattoos
9:10 to 10:08
Discussion about people getting cultural symbols tattooed without understanding.
“Sorry, but the idea of a swastika shin tattoo is pretty funny.”
Language and Communication
10:08 to 11:14
Carly and Caleb discuss their thoughts on learning languages.
“I'm like, I will have to take your word for it.”
Ghost Conversations
11:14 to 13:14
A humorous discussion on the idea of ghosts and personal experiences.
“What you're not going to do is what you just tried to do.”
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Haunted Relationships
13:14 to 14:00
Exploration of relationships and ghostly interactions with a humorous twist.
“Things are turning on in this room, in this little weird room, this haunted room, in the back space.”
Ghostly Conversations
14:00 to 15:00
Discussing the implications of a ghostly family member's haunting.
“Which, if it is my grandpa, there's a lot to unpack.”
Morality of Ghost Interactions
15:00 to 16:00
Exploring the ethics and feelings surrounding ghostly encounters.
“See, this is the kind of shit that I try so hard.”
Skepticism and Spiritualism
16:00 to 17:00
Debating the belief in ghosts and the loss of spiritualism in society.
“And it's something you've never talked about.”
The Fear of Losing Sanity
17:00 to 18:00
Discussing fears related to mental health and the loss of sanity.
“I feel like people are going to be mean to me in the comments because I don't believe in ghosts, but it's my truth.”
Awkward Conversations
18:00 to 19:00
Sharing a funny encounter about initiating a conversation with a friend.
“have psychosis you'd be like and that's enough of that like you could snap yourself out of psychosis you think that's really beautiful carly thank you for saying that you would 100 be like you You know what I mean?”
The Idea of Flying Kites
19:00 to 21:00
Discussing the therapeutic notion of flying kites together.
“More people should say things like that out loud.”
Hiring Friends as Assistants
21:00 to 23:00
Exploring the complications of hiring friends for work.
“And then other than that, you being my assistant, well, what would be your biggest concern about me being your assistant?”
Reflecting on Past Jobs
23:00 to 24:00
Recalling past jobs and the challenges faced while being an assistant.
“he would get me free food from the kitchen as long as he could watch me eat it I'm sorry what?”
A Phone Call from the Past
24:00 to 26:30
Making a call to a former colleague to discuss past job experiences.
“Jenny, you're sending out my bad work to people that are fans of mine?”
Recollections of Bad Work
26:30 to 28:00
Discussion about the struggles and funny moments from past work experiences.
“And then I would be really bad at my job, but they would keep me around because I was fun.”
Working at Crazy Restaurants
28:00 to 28:52
A discussion on the odd experiences and dynamics of working in restaurants.
“Yeah, it was a crazy restaurant, but I'm still friends with a lot of people that work there, but I was known for just how much I would eat.”
Crazy Restaurant Managers
28:52 to 30:58
The hosts share their experiences with bizarre managers and the challenges of restaurant work.
“Maybe one of the 15, 40 year olds who work here and this is their career.”
Chlamydia at the Restaurant
30:58 to 33:48
A humorous recount of chlamydia spreading among restaurant staff.
“I'd have to use one of the big ones that would cover both.”
Meal Perks and Applebee's Love
33:48 to 35:38
A nostalgic look at meal perks while working at Applebee's and its impact on their lives.
“Serving up bloomin' onions while you have like the itchiest pussy ever.”
Fashion Insecurities
35:38 to 37:48
Hosts discuss their insecurities about fashion and style.
“And the cooks would be like, all right, man, whatever.”
Rude Encounters and Social Anxiety
37:48 to 42:00
A discussion about a rude encounter at a conference and the hosts' feelings about social interactions.
“If I had better style, if I had better personal style.”
Confronting Rudeness and Personal Outbursts
42:00 to 45:22
Learn about the hosts' experiences with rude encounters and their reactions.
The Unique Bond with Pets
45:22 to 47:20
Discover how pets can impact emotions and provide companionship.
“Like the more people call me nice, the more I want to prove them wrong.”
The Overrated Summer and Anticipation for Fall
47:20 to 50:24
Explore the hosts' contrasting views on summer and their love for fall.
“i didn't really know like animals could make you feel this way it's opened up a side of me i just like I never knew existed.”
Astrological Insights and True/False Game
50:24 to 53:11
Engage in a fun conversation about astrology followed by a game.
“You know I go to Universalist Unitarian Church sometimes.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:01This is a HeadGum Podcast. That reminds me, I got a tattoo last weekend and it was the most painful, it was like one of the most painful tattoos I've ever gotten. I'm crying. Where'd you get it? Hartford, Connecticut. Sorry, on your body.
0:22So what's your problem, Carly? My problem with you or in general? Let's start in general and then work our way to me. In general, my problem is with this heat and e-bikes right now. You e-bikes here? Yeah. They're not going in the docks. Yeah. We talked about it. They're slowing down. They're slower and they won't go in the docks. And I've been having three times I've DMed with the guy on there. Have you had to do that? What? Yeah. You're DMing with City Bike? I'm DMing with City Bike. I'm on there. Hey, my bike isn't docking. and they're like, okay, give us a second. And then you're waiting for about 10 minutes and they go, we're so sorry.
1:00You can leave the bike where it is. What? Yeah. I've never DMed them. You can't, well, it's like through the app. I'm not like on Instagram. Oh, well, either way, I didn't even know you could talk to someone on there. I have so little faith in customer service now in general. Everything's gotten worse. Nobody's good at customer service. No one cares that I just don't even try anymore. When a service that I'm using goes wrong, I just go, I'm fucked. Have you ever worked in customer service? Yes, and I deeply cared and it was horrible. But I call so nice with a legitimate problem. When I tell you Verizon, Verizon is going to hell.
1:33Verizon is going to hell. You call these people and they go, yeah, I don't know. We might be able to send them out in four days, but we're the only service provider in the area. So kind of stick it up your ass and deal with it. They don't care. Everything's gotten so much worse. No, they're just hanging up. They're just hanging up out of nowhere. Will you fix your cushion? It's bothering me. It's like all the way off the couch. Oh, yeah. Should I take it off? No, I just like push it back. It just was bothering me because it's hanging all the way off. I worry about it. Are you comfortable? Are you worried about me falling?
1:58Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm comfortable. I'm worried about you falling. I used to do customer service and I would literally like, I'd be giving therapy. People would be crying and I'd be listening. I'm saying when I did customer service, I really cared. What did you do customer service for? I did, well, I worked in a restaurant for years, which was different than customer service. But I think I did the, at my college, I did, what's it called when they, like foundation. I did like donations and requests and I fielded calls. And then I worked, well, I guess not in then. Before that, I worked at a reception at a senator's office.
2:30What senator, Caleb? Claire McCaskill. Shout out, Claire. I worked. I interned. I was on the phones. So you were the one calling. You were out. Outgoing calls? No, incoming. Incoming. Which I don't know if you can imagine the incoming calls at a Democratic senator's office in Missouri. But let me just tell you, I didn't get paid anything and I deserved a million dollars. And the craziest thing is people would call and they'd be like, that dumb bitch. and I'd be like, okay, we're not going to do that. Is there something I can help you with? And they'd be like, my social security checks aren't coming.
3:01And I'd be like, okay, we can actually help you with that. Can you give me? And then I'd ask for the information and then I'd give it to the senator. Well, I'd give it to my boss who would give it to the senator. And then she would make some phone calls, make something happen. And then I would call and follow up and be like, hey, did your social security checks start coming? And they'd be like, yeah, but I'm still not voting for that bitch. And I'd be like, Jesus Christ, this system is not working. Mine was for a literal pharma company. Yeah. Same, same. Yeah. Senator pharma company at this point.
3:31What's the difference? Yeah, absolutely. I didn't see people calling like looking for their medication. So as you can imagine, I was screaming, crying. You know what I mean? And then I would help them get their medication for cheaper. Same thing. Yeah. I call them back and be like, so the medication are working. And it's like, you only gave me 50 % off. I want 75. And my daughter wants it too. Yeah. Like it was like, well, it's like, I don't think she's prescribed that. Yeah. It doesn't matter. They're like, prescribe my daughter the medicine. It's like, we're not a doctor. She's sick. She doesn't have high cholesterol, you know?
3:56Yeah. Yeah. That's really beautiful. Do you have any fun stories from your customer service? Any good stories? Was anyone really nice to you or no, not really? Some people were really nice. You know, a couple people prayed for me. I think most of my crazy stories were from working in a restaurant. Of course. I was thinking about this the other day. I remember I had the table of two guys. And you know, as a woman, when two guys are gay, you're flirting. You know what I mean? You're really like, I thought these guys, they were too gay guys. Sorry. Sorry You flirt with other gay guys? Don't even give me this Caleb Because the minute I try to flirt with you You're like boundary You're like don't touch me I'm like tickle tickle tickle And you're like if you ever do that again We're going to have issues You touch a lot And you do it when I'm vulnerable No I have pulled back a lot You do unwanted touch to me when I'm vulnerable Wait can I tell the story of what happened in the coffee shop You like get me high and then you're like touching my inner thigh And I'm like Carly That's absolutely untrue The only kind of vulnerable touch I give it can I say what happened in the coffee shop?
4:55Yeah, and you were being vulnerable Yeah, so we're in a coffee shop and I'm checking in with Caleb Remember this we might have to cut this And Caleb's being vulnerable, which it's sometimes like hard to get you to do that and
5:09And you're just like I'm like, how are you doing and you're like honestly like I just haven't gotten any rest like You know, I'm grateful for everything I'm working on But I'm starting to feel like a shell of myself and I kind of like grab out and touch your hand and then a guy comes over and he's like i'm a huge fan oh my god wait where was that i remember this now that coffee shop that like doesn't have coffee wait wait where was this i remember this i was like right by your apartment i don't want to talk to you well yeah yeah no no but yeah yeah i understand yeah oh yes no it really was a very funny moment because you were like i was being uncharacteristically like raw and you're like how are you and i was like honestly like i feel sometimes like more of an idea than a person lately and i'm really grateful for everything but like i just i'm having a hard time balancing it all and truly i'm in the middle of that and the guy comes over and he's he's like he's like i fucking love your stuff it was something out of a movie and i was like i was like thanks man and then i turned back to carly and i was like well and that was insane for saying that because he probably heard me say that and still chose to step over well he still chose to step over and it was like I was holding your hand, like a light, like just like a two finger touch.
6:15Yeah. You know what I mean? So it's like clear. Yeah. Right. Sorry. No, it's just, it's not that it's more when you like get me vulnerable, you'll like drug me up. You'll be like, you'll be like, you'll be like, let's smoke a J and then we'll smoke and you'll be like touching. No, it's not. It's more like emotional touching. I'm like, what are your like dreams and do you believe in God? I don't know what emotion is conjured by like rubbing my inner thigh. There's no rubbing of your inner thigh. I think it's because I'm touching parts of your brain. and I'm reaching out for parts of your brain.
6:46I'm saying, Hey, tell me about your childhood. Yeah. And you take that as an inner thigh touch. No, I think it's more like, you're like, are you high yet? And I go, yeah. And you go, nice. No. And I go, Carly. Well, but then you'll come in with a surprise touch. Yeah. Well, I try to give you what you want. You'll kind of come in with like a, a behind hug, a behind hug and lift. Yeah. And it's like, I'm a woman on the street, you know? Well, Oh, all my girls are really touch starved and insane. I have a type. I have a type. My type is lesbians that are touch starved, feral and insane. And so sometimes it's hard because I'll be like, I'll be like, hey, babe.
7:22And I'll give like a kiss on the forehead and they'll be like, fuck, sorry. It's just been so long. And I'm like, oh my God. You know, I just, I couldn't possibly imagine that that was going to happen. You know? So you feel like you're just getting enough touch in your life that. Yeah.
7:43yeah yeah I can't fully relate yeah I understand maybe yeah you have a point yeah you know what I'm having a lot of fun with during this episode already what is I have no shoes on for maybe the first time ever at a podcast and I'm clutching the mic cord in my toes that was actually that reminds me I got a tattoo last weekend and it was the most painful it was like one of the most painful tattoos I've ever gotten where I'm crying where'd you get it Hartford Connecticut sorry on your body
8:14no so i'm actually wondering about the pain and where it's at in your body yeah yeah my shin oh really stick and poke oh and shoeless you know what i mean and so my feet are like in their face oh i remember the tattoo now yeah you showed it to me yeah yeah and and my feet are like in their face which already feels bad you know what i mean but then at one point they're laughing they're cracking up and i'm i'm crying because i'm in so much pain i'm trying to hide it and I'm like, what's going on? And they're like, look at your right foot. And my foot that wasn't being tattooed, I had clawed up all of the plastic on the thing.
8:44All of it, yeah. All of it. And they were like, are you okay? Like, do you want to take a walk? I was like. Yeah. It looked, when I saw it, it looked like it might've been painful because when you told me what tattoo you were going to get, I didn't know if you'd get it filled in or not, but a swastika doesn't really look right when it's not completely filled in with ink. So I think you made the right call. You make me sick. Come on, the idea of you... Sorry, but the idea of a swastika shin tattoo is pretty funny. Well, let's talk about it. What? No, not me. Pardon? I had a friend in college. You know how there's a Buddhist symbol that is the same?
9:30Yeah, fuck. The same as the swastika? Fuck. You know, and a lot of girls in college that are doing a lot of acid and at EDM festivals. Yeah. they don't really know a lot about history you know what i mean and they love ripping off from other cultures so this bitch literally got like a swastika tattoo and we had to be like hey rachel come on man come on you're like hey rachel you're also catholic you're not even buddhist at all funny that is really funny that's that's like the number of people that get like they just get like any mandarin tattooed on their body and they have no clue they have no clue what it means They've never been over there.
10:08They don't really know. I know. And they're like, it means love. I'm like, I will have to take your word for it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it definitely doesn't. Yeah. Would you, what language would you, you don't speak another language. Right? No. What would you pick if you could just instantly know one? Spanish. Really? Mm-hmm. Yeah. I think that's a silly one to pick because. What would you pick? Oh, because it's not that hard to learn. Because it's like, you could probably, it's so close to ours that with enough work. Well, I say that, but I was in Spanish class for a long time and I couldn't retain it to save my life.
10:37That's the thing. I'm not good with language. What language did you pick? Mandarin. Oh, yeah. Because I think it would be really hard to learn and it would be really, I think it's really, do you know those videos where it's like white boy stuns with Mandarin at Chinese restaurants? I'd love to star in one of those. But I do fear you. And the Chinese people at the restaurant are like, what the fuck? I know, but I do sometimes, I do kind of fear you'd still give like white dad at a restaurant vibe. For sure it would. Like your accent wouldn't be right. For sure it wouldn't, but no, but they would in this world because because when a white guy tries to stun with spanish at a mexican restaurant they're like it just never feels right it's like it's always giving like brad pitt in inglorious bastards you know but that's how you know but when a white guy stuns with chinese at the chinese restaurant those videos really speak to me well i think we can make this happen for you what's gonna happen what we're gonna do yeah we're gonna get you hit by a fedex truck because one they pay out two million hold on here hear me out before you go on because i am allowed to have questions on my show what do you mean the fedex truck pays out two million this feels like do you remember in college when someone was like if your roommate gives himself in the dorm you get free tuition and then people were being like i kind of hope my roommate himself you know like this feels like one of those things that everyone just decided is true a guy on rockaway beach told me right so you can understand where i'm coming from well he was severely injured and he was like my next move is i'm gonna get hit by a fedex truck because i've done a lot of research and y 'all watch this space as soon as i find a fedex truck who's driving while texting we're gonna fucking make it happen well we're gonna do that and then what happens is a lot of times when people get in these accidents but they survive they wake up they can speak another language i forget what it's called hmm haven't you haven't you heard of this i have heard this it feels like something you wouldn't believe in, even though there's scientific proof.
12:25I do. What you're not going to do is what you just tried to do. What you're not going to do is what you just tried to do because you are a member of the cohort of lesbians in my life who often try to... When I tell you, I'm just going to talk about this and we can cut it if you want. Carly's been bent out of shape for months because another one of our psychotic lesbian friends came to her house and said, I feel a ghost in this house and I think it's your grandpa. Okay? Carly believes that and is truly being like, Yeah, sorry, I couldn't sleep last night. Grandpa was wrestling in the space. Grandpa is wrestling in the space, Kayla.
13:00So note the earnestness. And then I get in trouble for being like, that's batshit and stupid. Well, no. Well, you gave in a little bit because what happened was. No, I didn't, by the way. No, you made a funny joke that made me think, oh, maybe we're on the right track. Because there is a ghost in my apartment. And maybe I'm wrong. God forbid. Things are turning on in this room, in this little weird room, this haunted room, in the back space. Sometimes I step back there. I start to cry. My cat stares into it and AC turns on. You have depression and you live in an old building. It's just not. The lights flickering and you crying is not a ghost.
13:31You need to stay on your meds and you need to move into a nicer place. I'm sorry. That's just the reality of the situation. Well, you're not going to like this, but there were markings on the wall. What? Yes. What do you mean markings? I haven't really talked about it yet. That's mold. You have black mold depression. Stop. And I will say, I will just say, here's the thing. Things start getting a little creepy back there right after I go through some kind of breakup. And you said, maybe this ghost is trying to fuck you. Which, if it is my grandpa, there's a lot to unpack. There's obviously such a complicated situation if your grandpa has a ghost just trying to fuck you.
14:11I don't think Poppy is. Poppy was a really good guy. Okay. Well, he's different now. I mean, he's a ghost now. Who knows if your values change? Maybe they know something we don't know. Well, apparently he has a message. Wait, Carly, I have something really sad to bring up. What? What if the only way he can move on is if he fucks you? To the afterlife? What if Poppy's a really good guy, but he can't leave purgatory until he fucks his granddaughter? Isn't that sad? I don't want that to be the truth either. I would hate that universe, but golly. Well, it kind of feels like one of those things of like, can you have sex in front of your pet?
14:44Like, can you really fuck a ghost? Like, you know what I mean? What kind of are the morals of that? I don't want to fuck my grandpa ghost, but it's like, what even does sex with a ghost look like? It might just be him passing through me, which I frankly have felt. What? I felt the chill down the spine. See, this is the kind of shit that I try so hard. I'm like, I don't want to be negative towards you. In the comments, in the comments, have you seen a ghost? In the comments. I love you so much, but sometimes you say things like this and it's like very hard for me. I want to obviously like always support you and I love you so much, but then you're like, I felt my grandpa pass through me.
15:16I'm like, come on. I mean I could be wrong I'm not like I'm up for nuance I'm always down to be wrong and there's a little part of me that's like I think we've lost a lot of spiritualism and we live in this materialistic world and it's like let's bring it back yeah you're not going to sell me on me being materialistic because I don't believe that your grandpa's haunting your spare room I don't think that's me like loving the iPhone I think I just don't feel that well okay even if it's not my grandpa It's like people are seeing things every day. Yeah. Shit is, you know what I mean? Yeah. Stuff is weird.
15:52Yeah, totally. I'm so sorry. I understand. Have you ever, I feel like you like, to me, you give like, you saw a ghost when you were eight and you've shut it out so completely. And it's something you've never talked about. I think I'm an adult who lives in the real world. And I, I don't look, maybe go surreal. I don't know. I guess it's possible. I just don't ever, no one's story has ever compelled me. Everyone's story is like, you know, they were wearing workwear from the 18th century and they passed me in the hall at my college dorm. And I'm like, I don't know. I just feel like it was dark and you were a little scared.
16:26I know. I do think it's interesting that ghost sightings always seem to be like children or women from like a colonial period. You know, like I don't really know what that means. It's always dated. It's never like a fun gay guy. I would be really compelled actually if what I found out about ghosts is that they can't move on until they fuck someone they shouldn't. You know, it's like you have to fuck that person you had a will they won't they with at your job or you can't move on. That would be really compelling about ghosts. Otherwise, I'm just like, yeah, I don't like. Also, it's a sad thing to believe in.
16:57People think it's cool, but they're like, yeah, there's the ghost of a child in this house because it used to be a paper mill and he died working on the paper. It's like, that sucks. No, it does suck. I don't think it's like fun. I hate that he's here. I'm not like obsessed with it. I feel like people are going to be mean to me in the comments because I don't believe in ghosts, but it's my truth. I'm going to be like, you also have a schizophrenic girl on your podcast. You're not schizophrenic. And I can just say that because it runs in my family. You're not schizophrenic. You're not schizophrenic.
17:24You have other stuff. Do you think you're schizophrenic? No, no, no. I don't. Nice. But my family is there. One of my biggest fears is that I will lose my sanity. Do you know? 100%. That I will lose my sound mind. Totally. Like a psychosis moment. Yeah. That I'll snap. snap and be like and not snap like i hurt people but snap like i'm just like never the same mentally you are one of the few people no no no it's kind of a compliment you're one of the few people let's be sure before we say it you're one of the few people like in my life that like if you did have psychosis you'd be like and that's enough of that like you could snap yourself out of psychosis you think that's really beautiful carly thank you for saying that you would 100 be like you You know what I mean?
18:11Like you would look in the mirror and be like, we're done with this. Yeah. That's nice. Thank you. That's really nice. I'd like to believe that. You want to talk about your breakup or not really?
18:22Wait, wait. Maddie, our friend Maddie was over at my apartment the other night and we had smoked weed and I like got a spin and Jerry's and we had smoked weed and we were like eating a little bit of ice cream and I, I was a kind of high that I was feeling like more blunt than usual, which is pretty obviously blunt. and I was trying to come up with something to talk about because we were just kind of sitting and watching TV. And I go, so... I was not trying to be funny. I genuinely, this is what my brain came up with. I go, so you're single and you're unemployed.
18:54That's like what my brain told me to say out loud to have a conversation. And she was also high and she goes, wait, what?
19:05No, that's diabolical. It was awesome, but it led to... Was it a good conversation? Yeah, it was really powerful. Yeah. More people should say things like that out loud. Well, we do need to fly a kite. I think that'll... We have been talking about flying kites. I do think that will like free something for both of us. I think if you and I... Actually, we should make time to go to Prospect Park soon and fly a kite. I completely agree. I will chance... Will you buy me a kite? I want like a really big extra one. Yeah, I want it to be like... I want people to see us in the park and go like, where the fuck did they get that kite?
19:36Yeah, yeah, yeah. Should we put like advertisements on it or something like a blimp at the beach? I don't need this to be business personally, but if you would like it to be. I'm also single and unemployed, you know? Yeah. Shout out. I'm hiring an assistant. Do you want to be my assistant? Sure. I think that's a really bad idea, right? I think so too. I thought about hiring Anna, our good friend Anna. But I'm like, I think that would destroy both of us. I think it's like difficult with friends. Like I think I would be good at it. Yeah. Oh, you'd kill it. But I think that you wouldn't like... What?
20:13If I was your assistant, I'd want more physical touch. That's 100 % not going to happen. That's an inappropriate thing to ask your boss. Exactly. I don't think it would work. Yeah. I think you're right. I think we wouldn't have good boundaries. What's your biggest concern with me being your assistant? Be honest. I can handle it. Genuinely, that it would affect our friendship. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Other than that, probably you saying that we would be bad at boundaries when I'm really good at them. You sort of still not understanding that the boundary issue here is kind of on your side of the court.
20:47Yeah, and that's, yeah, 100%. Then I'm like actually chilling on the boundaries. I actually say like, hey, if you're going to get chills when we touch, I'm going to put a moratorium on that. No, I love our friendship. I think it's beautiful. I wouldn't change it. No, I love our friendship too. For real. No, I feel the same. Straight up. And then other than that, you being my assistant, well, what would be your biggest concern about me being your assistant? Like if roles were reversed and you were going to hire me to be your assistant, what would be your biggest concern? I wouldn't have enough for you to do.
21:17Is it my whole attitude? No, no, I wouldn't have enough for you to do. You'd be working two hours a week. But you'd pay me full time? No. I'd pay you in like, it would be sort of a barter trade system. I wouldn't. That's not right. That's what I'm saying. I wouldn't be able to pay you. It would be more like, hey, let me give you a foot massage or I'll roll you a joint if you can work on my calendar. I'd love for you to roll me a joint. Okay, hold on. Can we exist in a world where you do have enough money to pay me properly? Yeah. What do you think would be my biggest downfall as an assistant? And I was an assistant at one point.
21:50Keep in mind. I think your biggest downfall as an assistant is you would almost be too good at it. That you would just be like, you wouldn't be having it. You'd just be like, I'm not. You also don't like lines. You don't like a line. No, the lines really make me angry. So you're not going to, you're not going to, you would go, I'd be like, can you get me a coffee? And you'd be like, you'd come back and you'd be like, it's not happening today. There was a line. The line was too long. I wonder if I have the phone number of it. You know, I was an assistant in Chicago. I didn't know that. Oh yeah.
22:21I worked as an administrative assistant for years. Oh, was that when you were at the office and you were in the front desk? Yes, I worked for that one. And you were the office manager? I wonder if I could get a hold of someone from my old job right now to say what the worst thing about me as an assistant was. I think you could. What was wrong at your restaurant job? Why were you hated? I was just drunk all the time and I'd eat all the food. I'd like, I'd empty a plate and it would have, you know, people would not eat their fries and I'd empty them into my server thing and I'd go to the bathroom and I'd eat them.
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22:54Yeah. And it became like such a problem. They had to be like, hey. and then I got one of the bussers he would get me free food from the kitchen as long as he could watch me eat it I'm sorry what? I was eating a lot and he was watching I mean it's exactly what it sounds like he'd be like here's some chilaquiles and I'm just gonna not blink and watch you eat this and I said alright that's fine with me I'm hungry so he would get you chilaquiles only so he could watch you eat it? He said, I'll get it free for free. I just want to watch you eat this. That's kind of scary. Oh, wait. I remembered I have one of their phone numbers.
23:34I want to come back to that, by the way. I'm sorry. I did get really sidetracked on. I think this will be really interesting. I wonder if she'll answer.
23:57hello hey jenny it's caleb heron how you doing
24:04hey i'm on a podcast right now and i'll text you later to make sure you're okay with this but i wanted to ask you we were i'm on this podcast with my friend and we were talking about when i was an assistant and how bad i was at the job how what do you think was the like obviously i was bad at being an assistant but like how bad was i and what do you think the worst part was
24:27you know how we would send letters to people we were going to do interviews with we had to send them an email that you know to the client we'd send an email and we'd give them like a script of what we were going to be talking to their staff about and I found a letter that you had written and sent to me to proof it before you sent it off and it was literally redlined from top to bottom except for it said respectfully Caleb Huron and that was completely awful that is not redlined that is so funny I was so bad at that job I wish I could call go ahead I actually just sent that to a colleague of mine who loves your podcast Wait, Jenny.
25:22Jenny, you're sending out my bad work to people that are fans of mine? I said, don't you ever send this to someone if I see this on a TikTok and I get sued and Caleb never talks to me again. That is so funny. Well, you're one of the nicer people that I worked with. I wish I had somebody who really didn't like me's number because that would have been really interesting. But you're too sweet. That's a sweet example. I really was bad at that job. Also, I would like to tell you that I did not believe that this is actually you calling me, and I am on vacation in Costa Rica right now. I'm sitting next to me, and he was like, no, answer it.
26:02I bet it's Caleb. Okay. I'm going to let you go, and I'm going to text you later, but thank you so much for answering. Okay. Bye, Caleb. Bye. I'm dead. What did she just say? She said she's on vacation in Costa Rica. she goes I didn't think it was actually you calling me I'm on vacation in Costa Rica and my husband said answer it it might be him
26:26she was one of the nicer ones though Jenny I liked her she liked me and I liked her and I don't think she cared that I was so bad at the job but there's one or two people that I worked for that I wish I could get a hold of them because they hated me and they were right I was so bad at the job but they couldn't fire me because I was a basically what I did was I used my personality as a weapon to get like three or four influential people on my side. And then I would be really bad at my job, but they would keep me around because I was fun. Personality hire. Truly. And in a way that was like, I knew who I could piss off and who I couldn't.
26:58So did you use that to your advantage? Obviously. 100%. It was a job that I didn't believe in or respect and I didn't want to be there. So I was like, I quit that one. I quit that one because I, powerful. Well, hilariously in January of 2020, I had just gotten managers and I quit to be a full-time comedian. And then I ended up driving for Uber Eats for seven months because there was number one, no jobs. I don't know what I was thinking. And number two, then COVID. Did you like that job? I feel like you hated that Uber Eats. Yeah. I actually really enjoyed being left alone and making my own decisions.
27:29Like being like, this is when I'm going to work. This is what I, what I'm going to do. But no people, rich people don't tip. Yeah. And that was the thing that made me the most mad is I was like, what do you mean you ordered$500 of sushi and you gave me a$3 tip? No, it's really actually – It's raining, snowing. I'm double parked in downtown Chicago. I'm getting tickets. I'm getting yelled at. Meanwhile, poor people on like a$10 McDonald's order are being like, here's$3. I'm sorry I don't have more. It's so true. It's so true. Anyway, this guy would give you food to watch you eat it? Yeah, it was a crazy restaurant, but I'm still friends with a lot of people that work there, but I was known for just how much I would eat.
28:07like it was like a big thing and then i i just had to cut corners i was like i have to be getting food during the shift i can't not eat and one of the bussers was like all right here's the deal i'll get you free food from the kitchen but i just want to watch you eat it did it feel sexual i'm sure it absolutely of course i can't i'm sorry i can't escape that being the kind of context of it all i mean absolutely i'm sure that's what it was but i just didn't make eye contact you know yeah that might have done more for him i'm worried he he was he doing anything no i'm blinking but okay that's one of the scarier things i've ever heard for real i hate that that happened around you i mean that was one of the craziest places i've ever worked yeah i mean i worked at applebee's in golden corral once the most memorable story to me about working at golden corral was that i was like 16 working at golden corral and i would get scheduled for like all kinds of crazy shifts but the craziest one was the 4 a.m uh breakfast shift because we had a breakfast buffet and i would get scheduled no golden crowded breakfast yeah i don't know if all of them do but ours certainly did and it would be saturdays and sundays i'd have to get there at 4 a.m to prep the omelet bar and then i'd run the omelet bar and i remember i had told my boss this this guy that i didn't fucking like this guy he was a tool probably still is um i told him i can't work this Saturday, uh, this certain Saturday because it's homecoming and I'm on homecoming court and I have, I have to like go do all this stuff and I won't be able to come in and do the omelet bar.
29:37You have to schedule someone else. Maybe one of the 15, 40 year olds who work here and this is their career. And he, I got the schedule, like you get an email with your schedule, you know, and it has me scheduled omelet bar Saturday morning of homecoming. And so I text him and I go, Hey Kevin, uh, I think I told you this, but I can't work that shift because I have homecoming and I'm on the court and I have a bunch of stuff going on that weekend. And he calls me and he goes, Caleb, this is Kevin. And I go, yeah, I know. Did you get my text? And he goes, don't you ever in your life tell an employer what you can and can't do.
30:11The tone that you took with me, I will fire your ass so quick. Like really like yelled at me and I was like, I can't work that day. And he's like, then you have to get it covered. And I was like, in my head, I'm like, does he know that I'm 16? Like, did he forget that? I think he's talking to a child. And I remember I did get it covered, but I was like, this guy is insane. Almost every restaurant manager has some of the most diseased mental illness I've ever experienced in my life. I mean, I worked at Outback at 16, and I had a bunch of nose piercings. I was a little emo. And they made me cover it up with, like, multiple Band-Aids.
30:47Which is so much worse. People would walk in, I'm the host, and they're like, you know, it looks like I got a nose job. They're like, oh. You're like, sorry, she's not alternative. if she has lesions. It's not what it looks like, I promise. I'd have to use one of the big ones that would cover both. And they just didn't... I wasn't good at the job, so anytime a kid shit all over the bathroom, they'd be like, get in there. I was the girl that just cleaned up the shit. Yeah. And then we had a regular who was blind, and she would bring her dog... I'm listening. She would bring her dog in, and so we go down and we pet the dog and often times there was a time where she started petting me she thought I was the dog I'm bent down on petting her dog she thinks I'm the dog she's kind of petting my head and I'm kind of looking at my manager and he's like stay down there until she's done until she's done?
31:45I'm bandaged up getting pet there's no chance that she thought you were the dog just so you know there's no chance that this person whose other senses are heightened and touches that dog every day thought you were the dog. I feel the top of my head. No, it's not giving dog and I think she really just wanted to touch you. Blind people can be perverts. We don't know if she was, but she might have been. And I'm having some really fucked up experiences at restaurants. Yeah. Your manager telling you to stay down there is also crazy. Stay. Yeah. Yeah. Better finish. My manager at Applebee's was going through a breakup for like five months.
32:20They were on again, off again. She didn't want him, whatever. and he got like objectively worse during that period and every night when we were closing he would, at this point I'm 17, 16, 17 he would play I'll Be by Edwin McKinnon and like barely not cry and make us clean in a way where I've never cleaned before he'd be like we have to do it for opening crew and I'd be like this is about something else please I have school in the morning, let me go home but he would play and i just went i'll be blaring through the applebees while i'm on my hands and knees scrubbing tile that's like behind a booth no one will ever see it i was like this is so insane i can't believe i have to do this well like yeah um restaurant romance is really deeply affect the entire place when i was in college i worked at this like fancy italian restaurant i was the host and i was dating the busser who was like 27 and i'm 19 you know what i mean of course He cheats on me with one of the servers that's working there.
33:21Of course, yeah. He had no choice. Yeah, he gives me chlamydia. Of course, yeah. So he has chlamydia. I have chlamydia. The server gave him chlamydia. She was also fucking our manager who had chlamydia. Yeah. So there was literally a week where every level of service had chlamydia. Yeah, of course. Like we were all just like itching. It's just what it's like when you're working down under.
33:44It was like such a disaster. Like we were all just like, and I stayed with him. Serving up bloomin' onions while you have like the itchiest pussy ever. Sorry, guys. Sorry if I'm being weird, y 'all. Here's your bloomin' onion. I have chlamydia that I got from the whole staff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Your server has chlamydia too. The manager that's checking in on you also has chlamydia. We all have chlamydia. The guy that's cleaning your table also has chlamydia. Do you want to add shrimp to that steak? We all have chlamydia just so you know. We all had to take like a couple days off at different, slightly different sporadic periods.
34:14And it's like I had strep throat. You know what I mean? and the manager had like swimmer's ear. Sorry, everybody. I know we all have chlamydia, but mine's actually tennis elbow and I'm off for the week. That's so funny. Did you ever fuck an employee at a restaurant? Did you ever have like a love affair? No, there were no gay people where I grew up. Yeah. So. They were there. I wasn't privileged enough to be getting chlamydia at the Outback. Yeah, well at the time I was, you know, fucking guys. We also didn't have an Outback. That was considered a fancy restaurant where I grew up. Outback was like a city restaurant.
34:49It's like you got to go to the city if you want Outback. Interesting. Applebee's was the nicest restaurant in our town, and I'm not kidding. People came for like Sunday after church meals to the Applebee's. It was the nicest joint in town. Applebee's does hold up. The half-price appetizers have gotten me through many challenging periods in my life. Many challenging periods in my life. I am alive today, at least in some part, because of half-price appetizers at Applebee's. and they can clip that. Run that, Applebee's. Applebee's, I'm only alive at this point in my life because during multiple times when I was too broke to live, you gave me chicken wings for$3.
35:25Thank you, Applebee's. What? Thank you, Applebee's. Thank you, Applebee's. Shout out for real. And when I worked there, I would get the most insane shift meals. I'd bring in Tupperware and be like, throw some extra stuff in there for me. I need to take this home. And the cooks would be like, all right, man, whatever. What was your favorite thing to get? I would get a French onion soup. I would get a piping hot cauldron of French onion soup. And then I would get, they had this like hot bacon vinaigrette salad. That I really liked. They heated up the dressing before they put it on your salad. Not the lettuce though, please.
36:03I know. No, the lettuce wasn't heated, but it didn't matter because the sauce was so hot. Do you remember smoking sections? No. We're the same age, right? I really don't think we, yeah, but I really don't think we had any in my hometown. I think they were gone by the time I was like at restaurants. We had them at our pizzeria Uno. Really? Mm-hmm. I think that's a, Philly, that's like an East Coast thing. Really? Well, not that the Midwest doesn't have them, but I just, we didn't have enough restaurants and Applebee's was so corporate that I feel like it was already beaten out of there. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
36:30I think this is probably a local joint, right? Yeah. Were your parents sitting in the smoking section or no? No, no. I think my mom smoked cigarettes, but she quit before I was born. Whoa. You smoke. No. You're a big cigarette head. No, I'm not. I smoke them when I'm going through something. Yeah, but you're going through something a lot.
36:55Yeah, but in fairness. Yeah, in fairness, that's true. But I haven't smoked a cigarette in like a week. That's really nice. I don't want to be known as a smoker. I'm not a smoker. It's just kind of like, I don't know. There's something about, you're just like. no it's objectively cool to see someone do it kissing a smoker it feels like prison yeah no i don't consider myself a smoker it's more like a flare-up i understand when people are like i don't want to date a smoker like kiss a smoker like it is it is absolutely disgusting it's too bad because you can really be so hot while you're smoking cigarettes and then you can really the taste of your mouth can be one of the most daunting things that anyone's ever experienced yeah if i like ever smoke a cigarette it's like i'm never like kissing someone or anything yeah well you don't smoke them enough i think to have like permanent smokers mouth yeah no no no no but there is god there's nothing like a cigarette sometimes i've never smoked one i know and i don't want you ever to really yeah don't i bet a lot of people listening right now want me to smoke one no i don't think you'd like it and you'd hold it wrong
37:52what the fuck that was so mean car why'd you say that because it's just like i just like know you and you hold it like this don't you
38:07no it's two hands it's two hands no you need both hands a finger from each kind of like a recorder like i'm playing a piccolo yeah no i'd hold it right i think you would get really nervous and you wouldn't want to seem like you were nervous so you would hold it a little weird or you'd use like your back two fingers you'd use what you'd use like your back two fingers yeah yeah yeah like I'm fucking Mr. Bean no you do like I'm a calm like I'm a foolish idiot and you would like you would take a couple drags and you'd like you'd do a little bit and then you'd be like this is disgusting and you'd throw it I think I'd be really good at smoking cigarettes and for someone who doesn't want me to try it you're awfully convincing me to do it me like you negging me into becoming a smoker I think I'd be really good at it and I think I'd look really hot You would look hot, but you'd be holding it weird.
39:00If I had better style, if I had better personal style. You have great personal style. No. If I had better personal style. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I feel like we have to go back to that. What's going on? I'm wearing this polo. It was$7 from Old Navy 10 years ago. It does not look good. No. I really appreciate you, but it does not look good. These jeans are ugly. They're tailored, which is a little nicer, but I just don't. Here's what it is. I don't want someone else's style. I think everything I do is cool because I'm cool and I'm doing it coolly. But I do think objectively I'm not capable of looking carefree in fashion.
39:37Do you know? Like this doesn't look carefree. It looks careless. Yeah, I don't think I'm very carefree either. My button is – my fly is down. I think you look really carefree. Do you know what I mean though? Like a cool person who looks like – they're like leaned up against a car smoking a cigarette and they're dressed in a way that's like – I do know that you care about that outfit but you do feel carefree in it. if I put on capital A capital O and outfit it feels like god that guy is like going somewhere you know I have the same thing it's like I can't pull off like effortless I'm the same way I'm not too effortless but I also think like the more I I just don't have enough time like I don't I don't I like to feel good and like look good but I'm just like I don't like I don't know what a designer I'm just like how do people have the time like I just don't really care about clothes I wish I cared more but I don't yeah I was just doing a fitting for a job that has a very fashion-y thing, and I can't say any of the designer brands.
40:33And I found myself getting really insecure. That you didn't know them? Well, yeah. I have this fabulous old gay stylist, this queen that I'm obsessed with. And he's like, of course we're going to put you in the Margiela. And I'm like, right. And I'm sure that that's – what does that mean? But I don't know any of it, so I feel behind. mind. I also don't really like the name. Or have you ever had, like, I've pronounced a designer wrong and someone's like, that's not how you say that. Oh my God. Like you think it's Ives Saint Laurent. I'm like, how am I supposed to fucking know? Why would I know?
41:04Why the fuck would I know? And why is it spelled like that? You saw or whatever the fuck. Yeah. And then they do the little like croissant and it's like, shut up. First of all, don't be French. That's the number one thing I have to say. I remember one of the times I got most mad at somebody and like one of the first times I really stood up for myself i was like 16 or 17 we're finding out that was a really foundational area for me in this episode i guess this guy his name i well it doesn't matter this guy i was like a school conference and this guy was like he was like an east coast guy and he went to like a very fancy school district and we were like at a school conference together in like orlando or something something like that and he was like he was like he was like yeah maybe when i get older i want to open like a haberdashery or something and i was like i was like oh that'd be cool and he looked at me and he goes you probably don't even know what a haberdashery is and i was like uh yeah i guess i don't i just thought it sounded cool and he was like yeah it's a menswear store and i remember i remember in the moment i had never talked to someone like this but i went what is your problem
42:09like it was the first time that i encountered someone so rude that i was like what the fuck is your what what do you why are you doing this because he was right i didn't know what it was but i was like i was just being nice and fun also why some men's i don't know are you saying haberdashery you fucking freak i didn't know what a haberdashery was and when you were saying it i did not think men's warehouse i said like a place where they like sell rabbits yeah also how are you gonna try to little bro me when you're saying shit like haberdashery i gotta beat your ass call it a men's clothing store yeah i don't know where he's at now but that was that was nuts no i've been like on edge like about to um i don't know i'm gonna like snap at someone soon everyone thinks i'm so fucking nice and it's like i really almost like went in on this woman what happened in the hamptons she okay so my friend was like we were in this store and it's like this fancy vintage store and this woman is batshit crazy she's like keep an eye make sure nobody's stealing in here and we're like what like relax and then my friend is looking at this shirt she goes up to my friend and she goes you know that's an extra small right that's kind of funny it's not and i was this close to being like your botox makes you look like a cat you stupid dumb ass bitch you could have gotten away with that i think and i i wish i just like i'm not quite that brave i i think i it was so fucked up yeah i got really mad at someone recently because they i was telling a story that involved a couple of friends who happened to be like well-known famous people and they were they like jokingly were like they're like like nice name drop and I was like no those are just people I'm friends with don't be a fucking asshole to me I didn't like that I was like you live in a space where that's exactly that's your thing you would like to name drop and so you're putting that on me I'm just actually telling a story and you're being fucking annoying did you say that?
44:03no I just I wasn't in the mood a lot of times I will let someone get away with something crazy because I'm just not in the mood that was objectively rude and I was just like I was just I remember identically they they weren't trying to be rude either they just were projecting but they said that and i went that's not what i was doing and then i just moved on yeah because i was like i'm not gonna do this with you right now but there i i feel also like i feel what you're saying i feel like i let so much small shit slide that i am on the verge of like really letting someone have it i'm really gonna let someone have it soon like it's i'm really on the verge like my friend lives in the hampton so i've been there a lot this summer which it's a beautiful place but the people there have never seen anything like it we're biking in a bike lane this guy in a jeep is like move the fuck and I went off.
44:44I was like, you fucking piece of shit. Loser ass bitch. Like, I've never seen myself like that. And it's like, we're in the Hamptons. You know what I mean? Like, there's moms with strollers. Like, we're not in New York City. And my friend was like, are you okay? Like, what's kind of happening? My friend was like, what's going, like, is something going on? She's like, you have been a little off recently. And I was like. Hey, that guy was an asshole. Your response was way disproportionate. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He just kind of like yelled. And I was like, ready to like throw a rock at his car. Yeah.
45:10Like, I was pissed. That's beautiful, Carly. I think you should have done that. I know. Everyone just keeps calling me nice. And the more they call me nice, the more I'm ready to like. I know that you're not a serial killer, but that does sound like a serial killer thing to say. Like the more people call me nice, the more I want to prove them wrong. Yeah. Yeah. I mean. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. Put me at a press conference. See what happens. How's your cat? I know. I'm trying. I'm trying. That really means a lot. He's good. I love him so much. My cat named Walter. He's really special. Caleb won't come over and meet him.
45:52I don't like the way he looks. His face is very... His face is very... It's menacing to me. Yeah, he's a Persian cat, so he has a flat face. Well, don't say that he's Persian. That makes me seem prejudiced. Well, I don't know. I'm not prejudiced. You're the one... I didn't say anything. Yeah. He's menacing to me He's um No I really love him Maddie our friend got me a cat psychic Okay yeah That's interesting I mean she had a lot of really insane things to say I'm certain that she did She goes your cat has ADHD And she goes do you look like him And we do kind of look alike Okay And I was like a little bit and she goes He'd like to be in matching green outfits with you and she goes and he really wants to meet your dad and i said why nice and she said he's a character you know and apparently he wants a cape okay i'm gonna get him one for halloween i would like some praise for how well i'm handling all of this really well listen a lot because i want to act out right now i mean she did say some insane shit she was like he feels like count dracula and i was like i think the call needs to end yeah yeah yeah the idea of a cat psychic in general has really upset me everything you said has upset me it's obviously funny but like i don't like that she got paid to do that well it was a gift and i appreciated it for maddie and um but yeah no he's a really special i didn't really know like animals could make you feel this way it's opened up a side of me i just like I never knew existed.
47:32But he's worried about me. Walter. Yeah. He makes me realize how quite unstable I am. What is he as a cat doing to make you feel that way? Well, it's like, you know, I'll be sobbing and he's kind of staring at me like. Yeah. And then five minutes later, I'm like, I love you. Like, you're my special boy. And he's just like, you're bat shit. You know what I mean? Like, it affects him. Yeah. It affects him. He's affected. He hides. He's affected. He's deeply affected. yeah well i have a question for you what's so true to you today i don't know if you're gonna like this but what's so true to me is that i think summer is really overrated of course i like that you do oh yeah especially as someone who kind of worked all summer and didn't do anything fun i'm really in a position to accept that i'm really really over it i get so sad in the summer i don't there's so many lines it's like why is there an event pop up at hungry ghost coffee like i just i'm everyone's like go to the beach go to the beach the aliens are in the ocean you know what i'm saying there's sharks everywhere i don't like it yes everyone's horny but in a hurtful way like in a in a painful way yeah i don't i'm sweating from every orifice yeah i go through like five pairs of underwear a day what i'm sweating i'm sweating my pussy's screaming help help you're sweating through five pairs of underwear a day yeah i'd say okay we have a different perspective on summer okay what's yours i just think it's kind of hot i guess which lines up with the sweating thing but you're like you're like it's it's horny in a hurtful way and hungry ghost is too busy i'm like okay we have a different yeah it's just like a i'm not having a i like fall so i'm so glad you said that because it's so clear to me that autumn is the most ideal season that we have and people don't respect it enough i think actually actually some like like autumn girls who really go in for autumn have gotten a kind of a bad rap it's a christian girl fall type of thing, but I'm like, no, they're right.
49:23They're right. They are right. And I think that it really stems beyond that. I feel like you have Halloween, which is very queer-coded. Halloween's extremely queer-coded. I like the leaves change. I like to brood. You can yearn. You can write a little bit. I like to listen to folk music hits different in the fall. There's smells, these nostalgic smells. Especially if you grew up somewhere with seasons, it's like just the change of the season. There's something about fall I could cry thinking about it. I can't fucking wait. I need summer to be over. God, fall's gonna be so good. It's gonna be so good.
49:50If this fall doesn't hit I'm gonna have to make some serious decisions I'll be dead what hey what no this fall needs to hit really bad I kind of felt that about summer and then summer got away from me and not nothing fun happened like plenty of fun things happened but I worked a lot you also like didn't miss anything it was just like too hot I know I just wish I yeah I thought I told myself that summer wouldn't get away from me this year and it did but fall will not slip through my fingers no I will not allow it I will have a gorgeous fall We're going to have a gorgeous fall. I will have a gorgeous fall.
50:21We're going to get big hats and we're going to get scarves. That's not part of it for me. We should go to church one time. I'll go to church. You know I go to Universalist Unitarian Church sometimes. Yeah. You can go with me anytime. Yeah, I do Unitarian. I'm going to start doing that stuff. It's beautiful. Those people are only a little bit strange and mostly lovely. I know. I'm going to start working with a bunch of them. We'll see how it goes. Being a little bit strange is actually beautiful. Oh, 100%. Sometimes you want to be around somebody a little bit strange. Do you think I'm a little bit or a lot?
50:49Strange? Be honest. I think you're perfect. And I mean that. No, be real. I'm being serious. What level is strange? Zero to ten. I think out of zero being the least strange person I've ever met, like a boring normie, and ten being like what? You have to help me on the ten. Ten, it's like, oof. Like a... Like might have bodies in the basement? Yeah, conspiracy theorists. Conspiracy theorists, like crazy, crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would say on that scale of weird, I would say publicly. you present as like a four or a five. The truth is that you're rocking like a seven. And I love that. I love the real you that I know.
51:28And I love the fake or the public you. You're like an honestly or two-faced fake bitch. Well, no, but I love, no, it's like the moon and rising thing or sun or whatever. Yeah. You know? Do you know yours? Have I ever said this on here? What is my stuff? You're an Aquarius. and I would guess that you're like a Leo moon, if I'm being honest. Would it say rising? And I feel like you're like a Scorpio rising. I have to search Aquarius, because I know that's my number one guy. My ascendant is Taurus. My sun is Aquarius. My moon is Scorpio. Oh, I knew there was Scorpio in there. My Mercury is Aquarius.
52:12My Venus is Sagittarius. Oh, interesting. My Mars is Leo. I'm a Mars and Leo too. What does that mean? It makes sense that we do performing. It means you're like, Mars is like a lot of career. And then like if you're a Leo, it's a performer. So it makes sense. Okay. That's interesting. And Sag Venus makes a lot of sense for you. Sag Venus? Why? What is it? That's in like love and dating. And Sag is very like carefree, wants to explore, like, you know. I don't find myself to be carefree in love and dating. I don't find it. Do you think that's true of me? not like well i i feel like you like when you were traveling it's like you're always having some love affair somewhere carly we we have a segment for you i'm the true false segment you've played before i'm gonna read you 10 15 statements okay you tell me as quickly as you can if they're true or false you get 10 or more correct i'm gonna give you 50 us dollars are you fucking serious yeah i better get this cheerios is the most popular cereal in the u.s true true dune is older than Star Wars.
53:15True. True. Rocky Balboa was a real person. True. False. There are four stars on the Chicago flag. False. True. There have only been 11 EGOT winners. True. False. 27. Barbie was invented by a woman named Ruth. Yeah, true. True. Octopuses have three hearts. Okay. True. True. Avocados are vegetables. False. False. They're fruits. Nutmeg is a hallucinogen. True. True. The last letter added to the English alphabet is J. True. True. Philadelphia City Hall is the largest municipal building in the country. Ugh, I should know this. True? True. Ducks are herbivores. True. False. Omnivores. There are no operational Chuck E.
53:54Cheese locations in the U.S. False. False. I've been. Debra Huff is the current mayor of Doylestown, Pennsylvania. True. False. Noni West. Sloss moves three times faster in water than on land. Oh, I believe that. True. True. How'd she do? Garley! Do I really get 50 bucks or the... Uh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Something like that. Something like that. Something will happen. Don't worry about it. Carly, is there anything you want to tell the people that we didn't get to? I just want you guys to know that Caleb is really as amazing as he seems. Carly, come on, man. And he is just such a good friend and I love you very much.
54:34Tell them where they can find you. Probably on Instagram. You can follow me there. I don't really use anything else. Nice. I love you. I love you too. Great episode. It was so fun. Thanks for having me again. Au revoir. That was a HeadGum podcast.
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