In short
The episode is a wide-ranging conversation about how movements and communities form, plus David Gborie’s personal stories about growing up queer, finding belonging, and returning to comedy/LA life.
Guests
David Gborie (comedian/actor/voice work; moved back to LA; engaged; does Comedy Central/Paramount promo voiceover; previously took years off after the pandemic to rest and refocus). Host Ashley C. Ford (Into the Mix, Ben & Jerry’s podcast about joy and justice).
Key claims
Movements start in unexpected places and through joy and community. David describes being terrified of “secret gay” MySpace when he was 13, deleting the account after a kind older gay man replied. He argues it’s possible to be “the odd man out” in groups and still be accepted. He also discusses casting/race-boxing pressures in comedy/TV roles.
Notable examples
A lowrider party in Echo Park with riot cops and a helicopter; “fake MySpace” and chamomile-tea advice; SF open-mic life; wedding playlist debate (“Ignition”); voiceover work for Comedy Central/Paramount.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VODavid's MySpace Secret
0:32 to 1:06
David shares his experience of having a secret MySpace account as a teenager.
Casual Banter and Life Updates
1:06 to 2:20
Casual conversation between Caleb and David about their lives and recent changes.
“David, what the hell is going on, brother?”
Body Image and Confidence
2:20 to 4:05
Discussion about body image and the confidence of teenage boys.
“It was the first time I knew I was doing well in my life when I could just go to DXL.com and ball out.”
Memories of Junior High School
4:05 to 5:28
Recollections of school experiences and interactions with popular peers.
“But they weren't twins, but somehow they were both in junior high school.”
David's Lowrider Party Experience
5:28 to 7:40
David recounts his experience at a lowrider party in Echo Park.
“I've had all the LA experiences in one week, so I'm kind of worn out a little bit.”
The Role of the Outsider
7:40 to 8:23
Discussion on feeling like an outsider in various social groups.
“the white guy that they let hang around for a little bit, though.”
Casting and Identity
8:23 to 10:40
Exploration of identity and casting experiences in the entertainment industry.
“Yeah, and it's also like now you're using this one person as like your thing for the whole culture.”
Writing and Creative Process
10:40 to 12:39
Caleb and David discuss their approaches to writing and creativity.
“You do got to tell him though, because I've had that conversation where it's like, listen, if it says like bouncer, jovial.”
Hairless Cats and Humor
12:39 to 14:01
Light-hearted banter about hairless cats and their unique appearance.
“Next time you come here, let me know early.”
Hairless Cat Conversations
14:01 to 16:28
Discussing the quirks and experiences of owning a hairless cat.
“That sucked in a way that I shouldn't have even taken my phone out.”
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Returning to Comedy After a Break
16:29 to 18:28
David shares his journey returning to comedy after a long break during the pandemic.
“Every time I go, that's David, I love that.”
Marriage Talks and Wedding Planning
18:29 to 22:20
Caleb and David discuss the complexities of wedding planning and guest lists.
“I was reading something recently about, I'm not a pet owner.”
Comedy and Relationships
22:21 to 23:19
A humorous recount of Alana's honest reaction to Caleb's comedy.
“You put her in a terribly uncomfortable position.”
Wedding Playlist Dilemmas
23:20 to 27:48
Navigating the challenges of song selection for a wedding playlist.
Reception Vibes and Music Choices
27:49 to 28:00
The discussion shifts to the atmosphere and music choices for a wedding reception.
Party Dynamics at Weddings
28:00 to 29:10
Explore the dynamics of song choices and fun during wedding receptions.
“I think you turn just that one on, and it still goes crazy.”
Growing Up Around Parties
29:10 to 30:50
David shares his experiences of growing up with vibrant house parties and cultural gatherings.
“I was really raised on like house parties.”
Perception of Poverty and Joy
30:50 to 32:30
Discussing how fun and gatherings can overshadow the reality of poverty during childhood.
“leave the door open and like people from the neighborhood would like come into our parties It sounds heavenly.”
Friendships Formed Through Partying
32:30 to 35:00
Reflections on friendships formed around partying and the challenges when not drinking.
“I don't think they're podcast enthusiasts.”
Life Transitions and Community
35:00 to 37:50
David and Caleb discuss life transitions and the importance of feeling part of a community.
“And then I made my way to San Francisco at 20, 22.”
Navigating Adult Interactions with Kids
38:20 to 42:00
A discussion on how to interact with children in public spaces safely and appropriately.
“Do you think that you, what do you, do you have any Republican opinions, feelings?”
Interactions with Kids and Personal Stories
42:00 to 43:56
Explore the challenges and joys of interacting with children and personal anecdotes about learning social cues.
“You know, I want to talk to them because I think they're so interesting.”
Discovering Sexuality in San Francisco
43:56 to 46:05
Hear stories about navigating sexuality and personal discovery in a new city.
“besides having sex with high school boys, you weren't like gay community in Missouri, right?”
The Challenge of Finding Community
46:05 to 47:46
Discuss the difficulties of finding a community and connecting with other LGBTQ+ individuals.
Men's Perspectives on Gender Relationships
47:46 to 50:29
Delve into the unique perspectives men have on their relationships with women, and how that shapes their social interactions.
“Yeah, you know, not everything's for everybody.”
Taylor Swift's Impact on Male Sports Fans
50:29 to 52:48
Learn how Taylor Swift's presence at football games sparked conversations about gender dynamics in sports.
“And then high school, I was playing football and shit.”
Nostalgia and Changes in Sports Interest
52:48 to 55:04
Reflect on personal changes in sports interest and how life events shape those feelings.
“I, man, I wish I still loved football so much.”
Fun Encounters with Athletes
55:04 to 56:00
Share enjoyable experiences meeting athletes and the stories that come from those encounters.
“I'm surprised Jamel's not getting you into basketball at all.”
Meeting Thurl Bailey
56:00 to 57:00
A memorable encounter with former basketball player Thurl Bailey leads to reflections on luck and charm.
“Real tall, older black guy, handsome dude And we were like, do you mind if we sit over here?”
The Search for Charming Moments
57:00 to 58:10
A discussion about finding charm in everyday life and the role of experiences in storytelling.
“I just feel like maybe you're a bit charmed in that way.”
Strange Connections with Strangers
58:10 to 59:50
Sharing anecdotes about unexpected connections made with strangers and the vibes they give off.
Navigating Relationships and Privacy
59:50 to 1:03:10
The hosts discuss their romantic relationships, the balance between sharing and privacy, and the challenges faced.
“Well, you have to because he might watch this.”
The Balance of Life and Comedy
1:03:10 to 1:06:30
Conversations about living a fulfilling life while maintaining comedic material for performances.
“Because it's also like, everybody wants everything to be for sale now.”
The Money Game Segment
1:06:30 to 1:10:00
A fun segment where the guest answers true or false questions for a chance to win cash.
“Like, I had to really, like, go out there.”
Reflecting on Team Dynamics
1:10:00 to 1:10:39
Hear reflections on teamwork and personal accountability in high-pressure situations.
“We trained for these type of situations.”
Guest Introductions and Show Trades
1:10:40 to 1:11:50
The hosts joke about past guest appearances and propose future collaborations.
“You can't have on white guys, but Will Ferrell gets to come on?”
Promoting David's Comedy Special
1:11:51 to 1:12:25
David shares details about his upcoming comedy special and the creative process.
“Oh, I have a special that I self-produced, but then 800-pound gorilla licensed it.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00Have you ever wondered how movements start? I'm Ashley C. Ford, host of Into the Mix, a Ben & Jerry's podcast about joy and justice. This season, we're talking to unexpected progressive heroes who found purpose in unexpected places. People like Marley Dias, making sure every kid sees themselves in books. Kyle Mesteth, a native skateboarder building a movement for kids nationwide. Joy Aladakun, whose music moves from protests to daily commute. Find out how they started something bigger than themselves and listen wherever you get your podcasts. this is a head gun podcast I was so scared David I was like literally on my grandma's computer on MySpace in Iowa like everyone's outside playing and I would sneak in and I had a fake MySpace I had like a secret MySpace account you had a secret gay MySpace yes yes and I'd be like I'd be like I am 13 I live in Missouri I'm gay what do I do that's literally their biggest fear do it truly like when MySpace popped everybody was like what if my son has a secret gay MySpace
1:06David, what the hell is going on, brother? I can't, you know. You are looking good. Thank you. You're looking handsome, I said when I walked in. I really like that. You look good. I really appreciate that. You just moved back to LA? I'm in it. I got a cropped shirt. You're engaged? I'm engaged. Which is crazy. I got an Old Navy shirt. I'm engaged. Shit's up. Man, we can't lose right now. Shit's up, dude. I'm going to fucking get in the marquee. Big guys are winning right now. Come on, dog. Did you know we could go to Old Navy like that? Yes. Well, you can't actually go. You have to order from the website.
1:41That would be disgusting. No. They don't carry our size in the stores because there's no room for us to all be in there. Yeah. You have to order from the website. And then they'll send it to you. That's huge. I was getting screwed on DXL for most of my career. I can't. DXL has provided to me. They've held me down in times when I needed them. I can't go too hard on DXL. But, brother, let's be really honest. I know. It's tough. They're long and they're golf shirts, all of them. As many. When have you used a DXL point in your fucking life? I don't use the points. That's bullshit. That's crazy. Because it's full price polo.
2:18It's double price polo, maybe. They're expensive. Yeah, man. It was the first time I knew I was doing well in my life when I could just go to DXL.com and ball out. And I'm just going to fire off a shirt right now. Yeah, but balling out was like two hoodies. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But Old Navy, they got me right. I'm cropping. Old Navy's, you're looking good. Old Navy's doing you right. Also, I'll tell you Target. Target, yeah. Target will low-key have some good men stuff. My wife pleaser is from Target. Yeah, thank you. I do that now. Thank you. You changed up on that. I changed it up. Yeah.
2:52And that's good. That's really beautiful of you. Thank you. Well, I wasn't a big wife pleaser guy back in the day. No? There was a time when I was like a preteen and my body was really weird that all the kids with cool bodies were just wife pleasers. Cool bodies. You remember like cool bodied teen boys, how confident they were? Yeah. You remember that? You remember that? You remember that? I know you remember that. Oh, I saw that. I remember that. I wanted to kill them. Yeah. I wanted to kill those little boys. They're running around. They got the cool bodies. Bro, you got delts? Crazy. I eat gummy snacks.
3:28My mom gave me gummy snacks this morning, and you have muscles on the side of your pecs. Yeah, you've got those little slopes on your shoulders that are new muscles. Already. I don't even know about. We weren't even working those then. That was just God gave it to you. You had that from God. Yeah, man. Those kids had to have peaked, right? That's the best that got. We have, I have to believe it. I need to believe it. I need to believe it. I need to believe it. Because imagine, I want you to imagine you're going through that and then imagine you're gay. That's hard. So not only do you want to be that guy, but you low-key also need to sleep with him.
4:04Crazy. That's, because like, some of these guys, I remember there were these two brothers in one of my junior high schools, Dovon and Jovon. Of course. But they weren't twins, but somehow they were both in junior high school. Hell yeah. I think it was like a held back situation. Yeah. But they both somehow looked like DMX. Yeah. And it was just like, how are you this cool? Yeah. And they were like, because if I remember right, you weren't supposed to just wear tank tops to school. No. No, if I'm remembering correctly, and I think I am. Yeah. And I remember one time Jovan had two tank tops on. No.
4:38Different color, a black and a white. No. And I was like, this is fucked. Everybody's about to get pregnant in here. He's innovating in the space. You have to come get Jovan. School cop. Don't let this happen. Call him school cop on Jovan. I was like, what's the issue? You're like, look at him. Look at him. He's wearing two tank tops. He looks cool as hell. Come on. He's going to sleep with these girls, dude. This is fucked. I'm wearing three, but that's just to keep it in. Yeah. This is compression. Yeah. This is hosiery. These are control top wife pleasers I got on over here. I'm just trying to keep my shit tight.
5:18Yeah, man. I'm just trying not to spill out. Jovan's, yeah. Jovan's showcasing. I'm hiding. There's a difference. Exactly. Exactly. That is so fucking funny, dude. It was a good time, though. It was a good time. And look at you now, handsome. Look at me now. Crop shirt. Living in LA again. I can do anything. How's it feel? It's good. I've had all the LA experiences in one week, so I'm kind of worn out a little bit. Yeah. Like, I went, I did a show on Saturday night, and then my friend was like, hey, do you want to come to this lowrider party? Oh, that's sick. It sounded really cool, right? Yeah.
5:54And I was like, yeah, of course. So me and Jamel Johnson, we go. Love Jamel. So funny. He's the best guy. We go, and then, like, we pull up, and the block is shut down, and there's riot cops on either side of the block. I'm like, this can't be right. and I call my friend and he's like, no, yeah, we're in front of the tattoo parlor. Pull up. So we're walking up and the ghetto bird is like circling and it's shining on this one part of the block and they're actively over the thing like, everybody go back to your cars. You will be arrested. What? I was like, I called my friend. I was like, Joey Glasses, this can't be correct.
6:29He's like, no, we're partying. It's cool. So we go up on him and they are just partying and they're playing cool music. Yeah. cool cool music like i think they were playing you know girlfriend by pebbles no girlfriend how could you let him treat you so bad oh they were playing that right but i love it it's so good it's so good what neighborhood is this in this is echo park thank you it was right in echo park right across from the lessons yeah whoa it was like main street echo park and they were going up and then they were like and we're smoking a joint and i was dancing because i'm not gonna not dance to pebbles right but i was like and then the cops are like actively like get out of here yeah and i was like this is maybe too cool for me yeah too cool to have the cops shining the helicopter light on you saying you'll get arrested and being like we're partying i'm too old i did one song i smoked one joint and then i was like i gotta go i gotta get out of here yeah i ain't got it like that anymore but it was that wouldn't happen in denver that's really crazy i went to a lowrider party once on a bridge.
7:30Yeah, see? And it was awesome. It's, man, it's like a community that I appreciate. Like, I don't want to be a part of it necessarily, but man, it's cool. I want to be the white guy that they let hang around for a little bit, though. But here's the thing is, don't you want to be that for every group? Yes. Like, it would be the same. Yes. Like, it's probably the same thing for, like, a group of Filipinos who say the N-word, or like, You know what I mean? Like, it's just cool to be the one white guy, I think, in any group. Or the one not that in any group. Yeah, to be the odd man out, but everyone's cool with you.
8:04Except black guy in white group, because they give that too easy. They do give that way too easy. Nobody, like, you're like, I'll take it, but it's not like. Yeah. You're at UCB like, what's up, Rick? You know what I mean? I have long said, the only thing scarier than a white person with no black friends is a white person with one black friend. Yeah, because they're empowered. They move like they're bulletproof. Yeah, and it's also like now you're using this one person as like your thing for the whole culture. Yeah, it's crazy. He's over here with you. He probably doesn't even like it all. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
8:36No, I would like to be the one white guy who's accepted anywhere. Of course, that'd be cool for me. Yeah, that's a good. If they were like, you're okay, white guy. You have a face, though, that feels. I can't wait. Relax. I can't. Hey, everyone relax. Hold on. Relax. Let him say it. I know it is white. It doesn't feel that white. Let me tell you something. You know what I'm saying? There have been some casting controversies. Really? People are trying to put me in another box. People are trying to put me in another box. That's awesome. People think I'm all kinds of things. You're like the new Rob Schneider.
9:11Yeah, I've been saying that. Politically, et cetera. People are trying to put me. People think I'm Mexican. People think I'm Filipino. You know, people thought was a Pacific Islander that we got that one time. People really want to put me in another race box. How far would you be willing to stray? It's my question. Well, you know, what's really funny when I first started working with my managers, I think it was them that they sent me. They sent me a thing that was like it was for like a character called like, I don't know, he had like a very Mexican name. And they're like, we want you to audition for this.
9:46and I got really, I was upset because I was like, oh no, I'm working with these people that think I should be going out for non-white guy roles. They knew I was white. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why they signed you. Right, exactly. But they also knew you could play. Yeah, they were like, you're white, but let's have some fun. They're at the WME morning meeting like, honestly, we put this guy in anyway. Whatever you need. We plug him in. Yeah. It's Mr. Plug and Play. That's your Mr. Worldwide? Come on. It's Mr. Plug and Play on the beat.
10:18Oh, that's exciting. But I sent an email, a stern email being like, hey, I'm so excited to be working with you guys. I just want to let you know, like, I think that's unacceptable. Like, on my, like, heroic white guy shit. Yeah, yeah. And they were like, yeah, they're changing the character because they cast the other. There's two characters. The other one's going to be Mexican now. We know what we're doing. And I was like, okay, cool. Well, I'll get that tape in. Yeah, yeah. By 3 p.m.? I was like, sweet. His name's Derek now? Rock on. Okay. You do got to tell him though, because I've had that conversation where it's like, listen, if it says like bouncer, jovial.
10:56You know what I'm saying? Not jovial. Fat and black as he is happy. Yeah. These types of character breakdowns, I ain't going, man. I'm not doing it. I've really only ever been like a teacher, like a lawyer and shit on TV. Really? Yeah. I would love to see you in a, I'd love to see you like series regular, series lead as a teacher on TV. I'd love to tune in every week to see you teaching the kids. That would be fun. Like my own Steve Harvey show. Dude, get in the fucking lab. What are we talking about? Will you be my coach? Yes. Because that's like you have to have the teacher who came back from being successful and then his coach best friend who's been there for a while.
11:32Yes. Like we used to play football in junior high school. Yes. Yeah, that'd be fun. And I know the ways that things work. Yeah, you're teaching me. And when you get hot-headed, I go, not with the principal. Yeah, because me and the principal used to have a thing. Yeah. Maybe this is just the Steve Harvey show. This is the Steve Harvey show. Should we rebuild the Steve Harvey show? Should we just rebuild the Steve Harvey show? I think that's where we land. No, we'll do the Steve Harvey show. Yeah, you're Cedric, I'm Steve. Yeah, let's go, dude. That's why I moved back. Like, what are we doing? This is LA, baby.
11:57Yeah, dreams come true here. Someone open final draft right now. Come on. Let's cook and walk in with. I have a Celtics account that's long been dormant. Let's not Celtics. Yeah, that's how long. No, come on, brother. Bro, I got like two movies in there just sitting on ice. We gotta get him out of Celtics I don't know how Come on, get him out of Celtics I don't wanna live like this Save him from Celtics, dude, let's get you an FD I don't know what that means Final draft? You ever been in there? You ever played around in there? No, man, you know, I'm really lucky That like every writing gig I've ever had There's really strong writer's assistants So I'm kind of an idea man Yeah, I see this And then I'll clean up the dialogue Everything else, your structure that's not over here we got the writer's assistance i don't yeah who inciting incident yeah hey third act break come on it's not my business brother i want the jokes yeah you want you want to be funny yeah give me a call that's the one thing i got give me a call i can help yeah and i'm a mid-range dancer yeah oh we need to go dancing we should go we should go dancing we should go swimming we should go dancing and swimming what are we doing if my flight if my flight wasn't out of here today tomorrow we'd be going swimming in the morning and dancing at night I mean that.
13:11Next time you come here, let me know early. And we'll hook up. I got to get squeezed in. Yeah. Well, you know, I got the dog. She takes up a lot of time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's LA. I got to pretend like I'm busy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got the dog and et cetera. Hairless cat. You got to wash her twice a week. Yeah. Those things scare the hell out of me. They do, but it's like cool. She's cool. Yeah. She's scary looking, but she's cool. You have a hairless cat for real. Yeah. Her name's Grandma. You want to see? Yeah. No, I think that you, and I know this is like, it sounds like somebody with an ugly kid.
13:44I think you will like mine. Okay. I do think that. I'm going to take a peek, but I'm real scared about it. It's not as bad. It is. See, now I can't. Okay, okay, look at that. Come on, that's like an Ann Getty's pose. Ooh. Damn. That. Sorry. That sucked. I don't. That sucked in a way that I shouldn't have even taken my phone out. Dude, I'm so sorry. God damn it, Caleb. You got to pretend a little bit. Dude, I'm sorry, man. You got to meet me halfway. There's a cute face. Maybe if you had started face forward. I don't like the way their skin hangs to their body. I'm sorry. It's a she. She's a she.
14:25Sorry. Give me my phone. Sorry. Give me my phone with my daughter. I'm so sorry, dude. Can you show me a face forward one maybe? Yeah, let me find. But now it's like I'm trying to convince you. That did make my stomach turn a little bit. Here she is when she got a little kern. her face is yeah her face is beautiful this is we're not doing this anymore this sucks no but i know she's in a loving home i bet she has a beautiful personality she's a beautiful soul yeah but the issue is the way that the um the skin when it has no fur on it the way it clings to the body it is weird i grew into it because i wasn't into it at first really i just didn't i was i was like we had just moved into a new spot and my girlfriend was like what if i get a hairless cat and i was on the road and i was on the road like every week for the next eight nine weeks and i was like bitch whatever you gotta do whatever you need whatever you're going through right now i support it and i guess i'll deal with the hairless cat and then it grew on me that's crazy yeah you know is why hairless why couldn't we go normal style she's just weird man i guess she had already always dreamed of a hairless cat yeah i was talking to another guy recently and he was like hey in atlanta that's a sign of wealth and it was like the best compliment i've gotten that's beautiful or no he said i'm from atlanta that's a sign of wealth even better yeah because that is different yeah it might not be yeah yeah it could be these could be non-sequiturs because you know people from atlanta always let you know like he was just like saying that yeah and then also congratulating i'm from atlanta that's a sign of wealth yeah like it's a different thought almost yeah yeah it was good interesting so i've been having a good time what all are you voicing right now because i feel like i hear your voice on the radio and tv uh just comedy central my both my cartoons got canceled so just the comedy central stuff but like are you doing like their their like commercials oh yeah i do all tune into comedy central i do all their promo for the tv and paramount it's a real joy to me when your voice comes into my ears i i'm glad it's awesome for me it's like a job nobody knows i have i do it from home i've done it for like five years Hopefully five more.
16:29Yeah. Every time I go, that's David, I love that. Isn't that fun? It makes me so happy. Yeah. I listen to your podcast, so I see you. Whoa. Yeah. What's your favorite episode recently? Laura Peake is my favorite episode of all time. Isn't she incredible? I like when you had your mom back. I really like... Who else do I like a lot? No, Peake is the best one. Peake is Peake. Liam Rimes. Liam Rimes. That was really good. She's so funny, dude. It's fucked up. It's crazy. I like that she's funny and she's old school where she's like, I still smoke cigarettes, so what? And I'm like, hell yeah. She is a comic.
17:06She really is like, she'll show up, shake everyone's hand, step out for a cigarette, get on stage, murder, come back and be like, so what are we doing? I'm just like, you are a fucking comedian, dude. Yeah, I miss that. I miss that energy. Because I had to like, I went to Denver, I had to kind of get away from comedians for a while. Yeah. to like be a person and figure some shit out now i'm back in it yeah but like i had like four years kind of off from being around that energy for the most part what happened why did you think you needed to get away uh you know pandemic happened and i was like i really thought i was running and gunning before pandemic and then everything stopped and i was like oh you're exhausted and you kind of hate yourself oh and or just hate the this version of yourself yeah this like weird la trying to get it together and pandemic had started right when i got that comedy central job and i was like you know i'm like they were like fat people are gonna die first la has the most cases in the country yeah i was like let me just go home for a minute and figure it out and then it turned into four years where i was like i love entertainment it's given me a life but i think that i was in a position to kind of dial it back for a while and be able to just get back to me for a little bit yeah and like get focused just on me and life and shit like that so now i'm back now you're back yeah that's interesting about to stop texting everybody yeah it's all lunch dates from here on in baby good luck getting a hold of me come on i'm like david's back on the scene yeah i got the cat i got the cat i got the cat so that's like 10 or 12 hours of the day yeah right there right there just bang those out i make it's food you know yeah yeah yeah in the in the kitchen like chefing for the cat yeah yeah oh man she's gluten free is she no okay no no i never know i have a hairless cat i'm still an african person like you can't yeah there's like in your head you're like this is a kit yeah yeah yeah yeah rock on yeah we're not giving it special diets no no no no no interesting i don't think she's even insured the cat yeah probably not damn probably not does sag do that sag what i gotta get on that to get you to your insurance yeah I'd love you to have insurance.
19:20Do you have insurance? I have, I'm saying to sag. Can the cat get on your sag insurance? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you know, it's funny. I was reading something recently about, I'm not a pet owner. I would love to have a dog. You seem like a, you seem like a classic dog, man. David, I'd love to have a dog. Like a golden retriever or some shit. I'd love to have a dog. I wish. And you have the house in Missouri. I do. Do you have, are you there full time? No, I hardly ever get to go there. Do you have, like, a caretaker at the home, though? There's always people there, yeah. So, like, you could keep a dog there.
19:57I've thought about getting a small dog and taking it around with me. And he travels with me, and he's my dog. That's, like, a level. That's a commitment. I know. That's a new lifestyle. But, David, I want kids. Yeah, okay. So maybe it'd be good to, like, do the small dog now. There's a couple issues. Of course, my schedule is crazy, and I like to change it on a dime. That's one thing. You don't like to fuck in front of animals. I know that. I don't like to fuck in front of animals. That's a huge problem. You do have to, like... You have to, like, focus up. You just have to let that... Yeah. It's just going to happen.
20:25It's not the audience you want. It's the audience you have. No, no. And it's not even in... You know the hard part about having sex in front of animals is, like... You imagine if you're going to have sex and someone else is going to be present, they're going to be engaged in some way? Yeah, they're at least jerking off. Yeah. But the dog is just in there. Yeah. doing what she was doing before you were having sex yeah you know what i mean so it's like not even yeah you're not so you feel like you're not even put like excuse me yeah i'm not you're not even gonna watch you're not gonna look yeah this isn't crazy to you yeah this isn't you don't do anything you sit in this house all fucking day yeah i'm putting on a show over here i'm doing my best i'm putting in work and you are gonna turn to the wall and lick yourself right crazy i pay rent i'd like you to at least be interested yeah it's like you have nothing going on all day I'm over here fucking.
21:13I'm fucking. Yeah, dude. I'm putting it down. I'm laying it down. Come on. I'm locked in over here. Yeah, and you just could give a shit less. Yeah, that's crazy. It's like we're watching The Sopranos. Well, I wish. I just finished my second rewatch. Did you? Yeah. I will say I love that show. It gets harder and harder every time to watch the part where they beat a gay guy to death with a pipe. Yeah. That part you go, whoa! I mean also when Ralph Beats the shit out of that girl outside the bing Crazy And I was watching it and my girl is not into it At all And at one point she's like Every time I tap in they're doing something crazy To women And I'm like no no no And then you're like yeah That's a big part of the show You're like no Tony's complicated She's like he's hitting people They just hit that woman And you're like It makes me feel better to know that your girlfriend doesn't really like Sopranos because she doesn't really like my comedy.
22:13Come on. We were talking about this in the car. That's not... We should air it out, I guess. Yeah, let's air it out. She doesn't love comedy. She didn't like my show. She did like your show, Caleb. She did like your show. You put her in a terribly uncomfortable position. I don't know what she was going to do. She's not a liar. What did I even do? I don't remember. I had told I said that her little sisters love you Yeah And you said not her Yeah yeah yeah And then you were like Was this on stage? Yeah and you were like Alana if you're here right now Can you tell me do you like my comedy yes or no And then she said something along the line She didn't lie she was like no I'm not really into it Yeah And then you were like oh so you hate me And it was nuts It was so crazy Alana She's a real one though that's why I'm over there I've never had more respect for somebody in my life Now I'm remembering, in a theater of A couple thousand people She said out loud In the room, I'm not really fucking with you Yeah, it was That's hilarious She just doesn't like comedy in a way that I appreciate Cause I made a joke the other day About, I was like, if I die early, you know you're gonna have to Like, become a comedian Oh yeah And she was like, that's literally my worst fear Is you being dead and me doing stand up comedy The two things that cannot happen to me Yeah Are you dying and me doing stand up comedy We should just call it right now Let's get married today That's so funny What are you guys going to do wedding wise Have you talked about it yet We have We got a venue Can I say it I'll tell you afterwards But it's cool Very old school I'm excited to get married I didn't think I would ever do that You didn't think you'd ever be excited about a wedding or have a wedding i think i never thought about the specifics uh i always figured i could find myself with some semblance of a family yeah but the steps to get there i never like was like romanticizing so now it's like oh we gotta find a caterer and stuff that's kind of it feels like the beginning of the rom-com yeah so that's good that's really cute yeah i like that are you guys gonna do big or small what's the pretty small yeah i think like 130 people or something like nice so like middle but we don't want to go too huge yeah yeah this is to me what i don't like weddings i famously don't like them really and yeah please i love you to death please don't invite me to you i won't thank you and that's nice we need we have a salary cap so that's awesome that's yeah we can't have that many people in there yeah yeah because you were on the list before yeah nice and what changed well oh all right no i shouldn't have done that you weren't on the list before okay and it's not because it's just because we've only done the family list nice we haven't done any friends yet nice okay cool yeah um no i don't like them and i the scariest part to me is making the invite list really yeah because i'm like how do you do this man who gets to come because you can't have i know so many people that i love i would get stressed out that i'd be like i'm not inviting it's it's been tough too because i have a lot of friends, admittedly, who are real freak shows.
25:28You know what I mean? Yeah. And then I have to, like, suggest people to her, and then she says the one memory she has of them. You know what I mean? Yeah, he's bringing up topics. Yeah, I'm like, oh, what about Jancicock? And she's like the guy who wanted to bring a falcon to the park? And I'm like, okay. That's not super cool. That's not his character. Yeah, that's not his character. Yeah, you could say one thing I've done and now I'm not a good guy. You could talk about one exotic animal I wanted to bring to a park and now I'm an asshole. You know what I mean? Yeah. But, you know, we're getting there.
26:04We're figuring it out. Hell yeah. Yeah. I love that. Have you ever wondered how movements start? I'm Ashley C. Ford, host of Into the Mix, a Ben & Jerry's podcast about joy and justice. This season, we're talking to unexpected progressive heroes who found purpose in unexpected places. People like Marley Diaz, making sure every kid sees themselves in books. Kyle Mesteth, a native skateboarder building a movement for kids nationwide. Joy Aladakun, whose music moves from protests to daily commute. Find out how they started something bigger than themselves and listen wherever you get your podcast.
26:38Do you know what your first dance is going to be? That's also complicated. Okay. Because I'm sort of of the mind that no one's canceled for a first dance. Yeah. She does not feel that way. What do you mean? She is... I just... What do you want to do that she's worried about getting canceled for? No, the musicians. Okay. Okay. Yeah. I don't want to get too into it, but I had suggested some stuff and she's like, no. Yeah. Yeah. Cancellation's off the table when we're talking about first dance. That's what I thought. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Because it's more about us making a memory. Yeah. But yeah. So you're not going to tell us who you really want that she's kind of on the fence about?
27:24Let's just say it wasn't the original version of Ignition.
27:36I want that for you, dude. Me too, Caleb. Yeah. I don't think it's... Come on. Yeah, I'm saying. Yeah. You deserve this. You work hard. You know what sucks is she's not going to watch this, so it's still going to be... Well, don't I know it. We have... You know what? shout out to her little sisters though you know what's funny yeah don't watch this she has a we have a note that we're updating for the wedding playlist yeah and i did put ignition and then i put just for the fellas and she hates it yeah she's not into that yeah no not at all that is so funny you go ladies leave the dance floor this one's just for the boys And my argument is that, okay, maybe not first dance, but I think two hours into the reception, everybody's drunk.
28:20I think you turn just that one on, and it still goes crazy. I think you're good. Once you're into the reception, I agree, it can't be the first song. No, no, that would throw people off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I think a couple hours into the reception, you can give away with pretty much anything. I think so, man. I think everybody's mingling. The drunk people are drunk. The high people are high. There's no kids. The boring people have gone home. Yeah, exactly. They already said their goodbyes. The old people are done. Yeah. Or the old people who are with the shits. Yeah. So it's like, I think I'll get it in there.
28:48Yeah. I think you will too. Yeah. And this is what the day's about. R. Kelly? Yeah. That's what the day should be about. That's what the point is. It's like, that's why we gathered here today. Yeah. That's why I'm wearing a mask.
29:03Dude, that would be a fun. You strike me as a fun first dance kind of guy. I think so. So I'm, I was, me and a lot of people were just talking about this. This is so funny. I'm good in a party. I was really raised on like house parties. Yeah. With like mad foreigners. Yeah. So like I'm, I was a party baby. Yeah. I grew into a party teen and I'm now a party man. What do you mean by mad foreigners? So it's so weird, man. My mom came here, right? And she had me right after she got here, but she's like a kid. She's like 19. Yeah. So she went to college. So she went to college when I was like two or three.
29:38so from like those 43 to seven i guess i just lived on campus and like when my mom first started college uh she was at esl so it was like like my second birthday party i think is just like me my tiny african mom because my mom's like 4 11 and then just like the 25 korean girls who were but then she just she just met all these african people and shit like that and they would just my whole life growing up they would just always have crazy like house parties yeah so like just dancing and food and then like her and her friends they all kind of continued that growing up so there was i just yeah it was just always somebody was having a barbecue or a house party and there was always like dancing and all that shit i bet the food at the korean african house party was food was going up so sick food was going up there was it was my mom was reminding me this the other day there were times where we'd be because we lived in apartments always so there would be times where we'd be partying i say we like i was in i was i was in the kids room but i was sneaking out yeah for sure i was sneaking out you know what i mean i hear waterfalls my jam comes on i go out there everybody it's cute when he's doing the bump yeah uh but we my mom would leave the door open and like people from the neighborhood would like come into our parties It sounds heavenly.
30:59Yeah, I mean, we were very poor, but that part was good. That part, well, here's the thing. I also grew up very poor, and that part sucked. But when everyone was just having a good time, you kind of forgot you were poor for a second. Yeah, for a lot. Just chilling, yeah. For a lot. I think I've dramatized it now as I got older that it was more of a burden on me maybe than it was. Really? I think a little bit. I think I was mostly kind of trying to have a good time. Yeah. I think as a little, little kid, I feel maybe same. As a little, little kid, I didn't really know anything other than just like, yeah, we went to the lake a lot.
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31:33And lake parties were like, that was crazy. Oh, yeah. Everyone's going crazy. The adults are having a good time. I didn't know that that was like their only day off for the year. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You didn't know how important it was. I didn't know why they were going so hard. Yeah. Like the burgers had to be right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's like a fight. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. People are being weird. They've had too much to drink. Like, for sure, it's the one day they get off this year or whatever. Yeah, yeah. But, yeah, then when I got a little older and I couldn't wear name-brand clothes, that's when shit started to feel tight.
32:00That's exactly when it happened was, like, I think puberty when you start to feel that real difference. Clothing is what it does. Yeah, it's clothing for sure. It's the three wife pleasers. Three wife pleasers is crazy. When Dovon and Jovan got two on. Dovon and Jovan got two on. Dovon and Jovan is so awesome. It was crazy. I wish. It was really nuts. That's really fun. Do you know where they are now? No, no idea. No? I don't even want to look them up. I hope that they reach out because of this. I bet they're listeners. Dovon and Jovon, if you're out there. I love you, they are not. No, come on.
32:33I don't think they're podcast enthusiasts. Jovon and Jovon. If this was the Joe Budden podcast, maybe. Maybe? Maybe. Damn. You don't think I got reach? I don't. You don't think I'm reaching people from your past? Not to where they're at. Not to where they're at. I think some people from my past will see this. Yeah? For sure. Yeah? Yeah, I think some guys. Guys, if you're from David's past, please reach out. Don't, don't. Oh, no, actually.
32:57It's okay. Everybody from Dan's past. It's okay. I don't answer DMs. I've had a couple moments in the last couple years of like, you know, it's like, it's funny. The things I think that are big happening in my career, no one from the past reaches out. No, yeah. They don't think the same things are cool that I do. And then the things they think are cool are things I don't really care about. But that's when I get to reach out from the random stranger from the past. yeah but like girl you had one class in college with it's like i always knew it's like okay we barely spoke you know yeah that is so odd it is so odd you know what i've gotten is some people reaching out in like an odd like like there's this one guy who quite frankly we really just used to do drugs together like that's really what the relationship was and he'd reach out but it was always so like you probably don't even remember me and i'm like all right man well i'm not gonna answer to that and then it's like six of them yeah like oh i bet you forgot your days at dirty tricks and i'm like hey man what the fuck it's like antagonistic kind of insecure like you probably don't even remember me at all huh yeah it's like i do but i don't want to talk well it was that guy particularly it was like uh did you ever have a friend that you used to get fucked up with a lot and then you tried to hang out sober one time you're like oh i don't even know that wasn't part of my journey okay i wasn't good i wasn't getting fucked up like that that's good that's probably good but i can totally see what occurred there yeah where it was like one time in the daytime yeah and you're like oh we don't have any we don't really have anything i think i had a lot of friends that had like this happened to them in mass that they were like my whole friend group is based on partying yeah they wake up one day when they're like 26 and they're like i don't like or know any of these people yeah it's like a lot of people you realize you've never seen in the daytime yeah you know what i mean yeah or sober or anything yeah yeah yeah and then you're like Like, oh, these are just like, I think we're all, we're less like, we're not connecting.
34:49We're kind of just bumping into each other at the nighttime. You know what I mean? Yeah. But where were you? Where were you when, where were you in your early 20s? San Francisco. San Francisco. I was so, I was in a shit town in Colorado and I got the fuck up out of there. And then I made my way to San Francisco at 20, 22. And I started doing comedy. And then I was like, I think I left to come here when I was like 27, 28. Yeah. I knew that you had done comedy in San Francisco before you came here. I was heavy in San Francisco. I really loved it. I didn't know you were out there for that long. Yeah, years, years.
35:24Fixture of the scene. Oh, yeah. I was Mr. Man, I loved it so much. I like, when I was in San Francisco, because it was the first time I moved around a lot as a kid. So San Francisco was the first time I felt like an active participant in my community in a real way. and I just like really like I threw shows for my neighbor like I wanted to be popping in the inner Richmond yeah that was like what I was like I wanted everybody on Clement Street to know who I was you know what I mean yeah and it was like yeah it was an amazing time a bunch of fun friends were there Amy Miller was there one of the most confounding things to me about Amy is that she's not Midwestern yeah because she gives crazy Midwestern energy it's like it you know what it is it's a branch of california a lot of people don't know about no i know i really had to tap in on that because i met her she's the kind of person she would live next to sex workers and be like hey girls yeah you know i'm like you're giving omaha in such a crazy way yeah no but not omaha at all elsa branny the big yeah yeah exactly elsa branny yeah it's not even oakland it's like the out different thing yeah it's past oakland actually different thing yeah i did have to find out that there was a version of california that gives midwestern which is nice because it's almost like it can't all be paradise yeah you know what i mean i do it's like or have you ever been north north of san francisco like i've been up there but i'm not hanging around yeah it's hairy up there it's weird to feel things that drive like being around california i've been around the whole state in the last you know couple years and it's weird to feel like to feel the um the culture and the politics of home but to be around palm trees and mountains it's very uncanny valley to me it pisses me off because quite frankly because it's like like in colorado i lived in a little shit town for a long time or just a little small town yeah kind of shit but like those people it's brown all the time the weather sucks you're on the high plains you're not even in the mountains i understand your hatred of california your hatred of other people yeah it sucks over here yeah but You go down to Orange County and you're like, what the fuck are you mad about?
37:30What are you complaining about? You over here, you're like that? Yeah. You should love everybody. Nobody's coming for this. Yeah. OC. Yeah. Like, you're good. You're chilling. Yeah, it seems odd to me. I don't know how anybody could be a Republican by the beach. That's a beautiful sentiment, David. It's how I feel. That's a beautiful sentiment. It's how I feel. Have you ever wondered how movements start? I'm Ashley C. Ford, host of Into the Mix, a Ben & Jerry's podcast about joy and justice. This season, we're talking to unexpected progressive heroes who found purpose in unexpected places. People like Marley Dias, making sure every kid sees themselves in books.
38:07Kyle Mesteth, a native skateboarder building a movement for kids nationwide. Joy Aladakun, whose music moves from protests to daily commute. Find out how they started something bigger than themselves. And listen wherever you get your podcasts. Do you think that you, what do you, do you have any Republican opinions, feelings? What do you got going on over there? Anything Republican going on for you?
38:30no i don't think so right no no i i don't i guess i don't hate hunting and fishing you're going fishing i like fishing i'm not hunting i said to sound cool but fishing yeah hunting is just too much more involved i feel it's also it's yeah it's a bigger time commitment you gotta have the guns but fishing especially in denver me and my friends would go fishing a lot really yeah and i haven't been fishing in a while man i we should go fishing we really should i wish Now I wish I was in Denver because I got spots. Damn. You know what I mean? I bet we'll end up in Denver at the same time eventually.
39:03Yeah, it'll happen sooner. Life is long. Yeah. We need to do that. Yeah. I'd love to go fishing. I haven't been in forever. Really? Do you like fishing? I did when I was a kid. I would go. It's just a reason to be outside, man. That's the thing. I'd like to go fishing with like-minded adults because the issue with fishing and hunting growing up for me is that I'm a talker. And the men in my family were not enjoying that. Right. They were very much like, shut the fuck up. Like you're just in the blind just talking about stuff? Oh, I'm truly just in the blind, like kicking my feet up, being like, at school there's this kid.
39:35I'm like, and my uncle's like, yeah, man, you're going to scare the deer away, you're going to scare the fish away. I was always scaring something by talking. Yeah, I mean, but that goes into life. You know, I'm glad I'm not that kind of man. Yeah. Like, I feel like I have enough masculine traits, but I was very much raised by women. so i'm not like the kind of like if i'm alone with my friend we're talking yeah we're gabbing it up we're chitter up yeah we're chitting we're chatting yeah all that kiki and chatty cat whatever you want to call it i'm not like that quiet i'm quiet by myself i don't need to be quiet with my friends i love my friends that's what i'm saying i don't want and i don't want to be quiet with anybody if i'm if i'm in a hunting blind with a person we're chatting yeah because what else are we doing i'm stuck in here with you yeah i want to be quiet with you I'm covered in deer piss.
40:21I want to at least talk about how I feel about it. I'm fucking drenched in deer piss. He's like, yeah, you didn't have to do that. But I wanted to. But I wanted to, man, because I love you. Yeah.
40:35You got any kids in your life? Children? My sister just had a baby. Oh, yeah? Yeah. When? Four months ago. Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fresh baby. Yeah, little baby. Other than that, I don't really have any children in my life, which sucks because i really like children but it's like i'm at a point where if i want to interact with some i gotta grow my own yeah you can't just be out here yeah who just had a really funny joke about that uh ahmed yeah ahmed uh just had a great joke about that and i don't remember the specifics of it but he was just basically like yeah i can't i can't just be like playful with kids the way i want to in public it's not a good look i had a bit about that on my comedy central hour yeah it really is true and i feel it all the time yeah and it's like because it's like I very much remember being a kid and strangers taking a liking to you in the grocery store or something.
41:24And always really enjoying those interactions. Or just like an old lady winks at you or something. Just shit like that. You know what I mean? Yes. Did that sound crazy? No, but I feel that. I'm with you, yeah. Because I've always been, I was on the street a lot as a kid by myself. And I've just always been the type of person that people would come up to. Like I've just always had that. But sometimes it'd be weird. I remember being a little kid and, like, dude's trying to sell me cologne out of backpacks. And that wasn't... Yeah. That's different. That wasn't ideal. But, like, a lot of just strangers talking to me.
41:56And I always really liked that. I always thought... Or, like, you know, you'd be running around the store and somebody would, like, laugh at that. Just, like, interacting with kids. But you really... You probably shouldn't be doing that. It's hard because I love kids. And I do want to, like... When they're, like... You know, I want to talk to them because I think they're so interesting. Me too. And I'm like, I love that you're in here being silly. Me too. But then you look at the parents, and sometimes the parents aren't like, the parent needs to give you a cue that you can be silly with the kid.
42:21Right, right, right, right. There needs to be some type of a... I remember when I first moved to San Francisco, there was like this elaborate bandana system to tell people how you like to have sex. Yes. Yeah, we learned about this. You remember that? We learned about this recently on the pod. Oh, really? We had a gay historian on the pod. It was crazy. I remember, because I remember it was like, it was the first, my first like, wow, I'm not in Colorado anymore. You know what I mean? I was at an open mic and this guy has like an orange bandana out of his left pocket and some girl's like, that means he's down for anything.
42:57And I was like, what? Cause at the time too, I was like, I've always been open but I just wasn't like liberal in the way that I wasn't around a lot. Especially like gay people, I just wasn't around. So I remember her saying he's down for anything. I was like, this guy's probably kissing dudes. To say the least. He's actually probably graduated from kissing dudes. He doesn't even do that anymore. I was down for anything. I was like, he kissed a boy? That's so fucking funny, dude. Yeah, I was a rube when I got to San Francisco, for sure. You were an adult, an oaf, just kind of going around being like, who wants to teach me about gay?
43:33Well, because it was like, I had seen a lot of life, but bad stuff. So I'd seen a lot of violence and crime and shit like that. But I hadn't just seen really open sexually people. You know what I mean? I was always curious about it because it always seemed like it was a good time. Yeah. You know what I mean? It does seem like it was a good time. That's partially why I ended up over there. Yeah, they seem like they're having a good time. Those people are having fun, yeah. Were you, I feel like I know some of your story from watching the podcast, but you weren't, besides having sex with high school boys, you weren't like gay community in Missouri, right?
44:06No, I had some. I was, yeah, hooking up with like peers and some guys a little bit older when I was a teenager, but maybe a little bit. Like I would talk to, when I was in middle school, I got in gay chat rooms. Not sexually. But I was in gay chat rooms. Just for friends. No, truly. To talk to gay people. That's so beautiful. People don't talk about, everybody talks about the predatory nature of the chat rooms. Nobody ever talks about just like. I was in there. I was so scared, David. I was like literally on my grandma's computer on MySpace in Iowa. Like everyone's outside playing and I would sneak in and I had a fake MySpace.
44:36I had like a secret MySpace account. You had a secret gay MySpace? Yes, yes. And I'd be like, I am 13. I live in Missouri. I'm gay, what do I do? That's literally their biggest fear. Do it, truly. Like when MySpace popped, everybody was like, what if my son has a secret gay MySpace?
45:14Oh, that's so funny. Meanwhile, I'm truly just on there to be like, someone tell me what to watch. That's, oh. Someone give me a movie. I got so scared. I remember one older gay guy messaged me back, and he was like, honey, when you feel stressed out, have some chamomile tea, and just remember you're going to get older someday. And I got so scared by the kindness of that that it felt intimate, and I deleted my account and didn't get back on for a while. Wow. I was so scared of that. I have a few questions about your account. Yeah. Did you do your own coding for wallpaper? No, no, no design. No design?
45:46You didn't have like a song play? No, no name. No, it was like, yeah, it was like whatever the least you could do was. Oh, you poor baby. Cause did you have any gay people in your life at all? No. That's tough. So I was like looking, you know, but I did know inherently that like, I knew my aunt Ashley, I knew my mom would be like, wouldn't care. You could just feel that they were, I mean, maybe my aunt Ashley was openly saying politically progressive stuff but my mom's always been like uh anytime someone would say something hateful around her about any type of person she'd be like whatever let's have a beer yeah she was never down with that shit that's awesome so i always knew she would be cool that's how my mom was too well also my mom was like she went out clubbing a lot so from an early age i knew go to gay bars if you don't want to get hit on by men yeah as a woman my mom was doing that in like the mid 90s queen yeah her and her friends would go because she's like she always had a lot of friends but it's mostly like she has like a core group of women that kind of they're still friends to this day shout out to my aunties but they would all go out a lot and my mom likes to dance so like yeah they were going to gay bars in seattle which is weird because then as an adult sometimes i'll go out to a bar and then i'll remember my mom having talked about that bar when i was a kid whoa like the rebar or something yeah you know what i mean which is weird that's really weird yeah it's strange that's very interesting yeah yeah yeah i was i was hopping on there i was hopping on myspace to chit chat with uh with gay people but i had a lot of the same things you probably had when you moved to san francisco when i was like going up to kansas city in high school to go to like movie theaters and see gay movies and stuff yeah i would see gay people and like i would try and like i would try to strike up a conversation with them you know just to hear but i was so like i would see a gay guys holding hands in kansas city and i'd be like oh my god they're just doing that out in the open you know it's crazy because that integration into your community is so odd i had that in san francisco but with black people because i was in a small town for like four years no where there were no anybody black people there's like a few mexicans but they only spoke spanish yeah so it's like very isolating in san francisco it's the same thing just going to black movies like hey hey guys me as well any questions yeah i got this green bandana means i'm down to talk to any race i'll talk to anyway i don't mind yeah send a pacific islander over i don't give a bring him over no worries i don't care at all that's so totally cool that's so funny i you know the weird thing about moving to san francisco was like there was so much uh open stuff sexually and i found out really quickly that i'm just a boring straight and i always felt like damn it's tough it because you're like i'm in the playground yeah How did I end There would be times Where I'd be like How did I end up In San Francisco Not gay At 23 Yeah This is fucked But that's how you know You really mean it Yeah With the straight stuff Yeah That is it I really believe That you're straight Yeah And that's a hard pill For me to swallow About anybody that I like I get that But I believe you I get No Because you had You were right there In Gamora If it was gonna happen Yeah Yeah Yeah And I remember I'd be at like We used to tell jokes at this place the stud yeah uh this old gay bar on fulsome and it would be like right after the open mark mike was this party called bear wars oh yeah and so it would be like the open you had a tough time getting out of there brother yeah and it was the most it was the first because i was like i was like 23 24 it was the first time anyone had paid me any attention in the way of like buying me drinks and shit oh yeah big handsome guy like you and even that didn't do it so i just ain't got it Yeah, it's not for you.
49:27Yeah, you know, not everything's for everybody. No. And I appreciate the culture. Yeah. One of my favorite things is how much my married straight guy friends take an interest in my life. See, that's beautiful. They're very jealous and interested. They're like, oh, you guys just call up a blowjob on command. That's crazy. I think sometimes men, this sounds terrible. I think sometimes men, straight, super straight men, look at gay men and they view it as like the idea of a life unencumbered by women. Yeah. Yeah. Like, you don't have to. And I think that's what they're so excited about. Sometimes I will say.
50:05You and your boys just kiss. You guys just hang out and then you're fucking them? Yeah. What? What? Not my boys, but so many straight guys don't genuinely just don't like women. That's what I mean. That's totally what it is. It's just like, oh, I got to go fuck my girlfriend. Yeah. It's one of the more alarming things about growing up. Yeah. Finding out, like, because, like, I knew about men from my mom and her friends growing up. And then high school, I was playing football and shit. And then I got, I was doing construction for a while and shit. So, like, finding out that, like, there's a lot of dudes who just, like, and they operate.
50:44I'm not saying they're, like, violent, terrible. They operate in society. they have women in their lives but they just don't like women and you're like oh i didn't know that sucks it's a real they have no interest and it's a real weird like i i honestly had a big but honestly other people that way too my girl does not care for men at all queen she likes me she's real other than that you're not really she's real because i'll try to put shit on sometimes like just any man dominated thing like last night i was making dinner and i put on the uh the master and like 30 minutes in I was like what did he say and she's like oh I'm not watching this I was like alright yeah yeah it's funny men and women in many ways so incompatible and still really trying it you know what else are we going to do well yeah if you can yeah but what am I going to do I don't like you yeah I know I feel for you dude I do think oh wait what was I going to say it was about about How gay guys, oh, well, I've obviously reckoned with men not liking women for a long time because I grew up in the place I grew up in.
51:48Right. But really, truly, when Taylor Swift started going to a bunch of Chiefs games because she's dating Travis. Was that huge for you? Well, the reaction to it, I really re-engaged with how much men don't like women because all these men, to me, as a gay guy who loves football, I have one of the biggest struggles of my life. One of the many. By the way, we're out here. We're everywhere. But I truly have such a, one of the biggest struggles of my life is trying to get the women in my life to care about it at all. Yeah. Like so many of the women in my life don't care about football. And some do.
52:16But when Taylor came around, I was so excited because I was like, oh, the girls I love are now suddenly interested in football. This is going to be so good for me to bridge my interests. And all these straight men were like, get that dumb bitch off the screen. Yeah. And I was like, you don't want to bond with your daughters over the thing you love, you idiot. No, they come here to specifically not do that. I just was like, wow, I forgot. They're like, that's why I'm over here. I was like, whoa, that's crazy. Like, oh, yeah, that's the point. I'm like, what? Yeah, that's the whole thing. I, man, I wish I still loved football so much.
52:54You could come be a fan of my team if you want. No, I can't. I'm a Broncos fan. No worries. Well, then get back into them, and I think they'll probably figure something out soon enough. Do you think that? Who do they got? Bo Nix? Is he still there? This sucks. This sucks right now. Yeah, I know. Because I do hate the Chiefs, just literally. Totally. And there were a lot of eras that I had to sit out, even though you guys had cool shit going on. Yeah. Dante Hall, that whole situation. I know, man. So cool. Tough not to be a fan. Tony Gonzalez when I was a kid. All-time greatest. Yeah, but... You don't think he's the greatest tight end of all time?
53:23Shannon Sharp is the greatest tight end of all time. Tony Gonzalez is way better than Shannon Sharp, I feel. Numbers-wise, I don't think so. Isn't he statistically as well? How many yards does Tony Gonzalez have all-time? Is Tony Gonzalez the all-time...
53:39We're going to figure this out. We're going to get to the bottom of this right now. He's so hot, too. Tony Gonzalez? It's fucked. He's not my type, but I find him a beautiful person. You don't think Tony Gonzalez is hot? I think he's attractive, but I don't go up for that. You're from Kansas City. I don't go up. I'm not like, oh, my God, Tony Gonzalez. He looks like he's on a telenovela. Yeah. What do we got, Chance? He is the NFL record holder for career receiving yards for a tight end and career receptions for a tight end. Who's number two? Shannon Sharp? What's he bench right now? because shannon's putting up 405 number two might be is gronkowski somewhere up there you know who i like to like a lot was todd heap i don't know who that is he used to be a tight end for the ravens yeah yeah good guy that was back when i still as i got old as i get older i just football less and less was it and it was like i like cared about it you're never gonna come back you think i don't know man not in the way comedy really sucked all the sports out of my life like i used to like i lived and died by the broncos i lived and died by the nuggets that was like my shit i cared so much i in high school i used to watch college football i loved christmas break when i could watch all the bowl games and shit yeah and i think the further side i further i got away from playing so two chiefs in the top three tony gonzalez and travis oh god damn is number five and it's a big gulf between him and number four by the way chish sharp is number five with nine nine hundred sixty receiving yards antonio gates is number four with eleven thousand eight hundred god gates was a cool piece of work though it's a big gulf there yeah i'm sorry dude i'm so sorry i think that i was just in colorado and i was caught up in the wave you know totally it's just like the same way terrell davis is gonna be the best running back to me yeah absolutely you You know what I mean?
55:28This all makes sense to me. Hey, it's no worries. I'm surprised Jamel's not getting you into basketball at all. You guys aren't? I'm into basketball. I'm into basketball pretty well because the Nuggets are fun. Nuggets game. One of the only NBA games I've ever been to, Nuggets game. Really? Not the day that we... Not that day. No. No, not that day. Couldn't get it together for that day. I was really glad when you said you didn't want to go because I was like, I don't want to sit in them little eyes. Same. Yeah, because we ran into that delightful man. We ran into this cool David and I went out to lunch in Denver And there was a guy sitting alone at a picnic table Real tall, older black guy, handsome dude And we were like, do you mind if we sit over here?
56:05And he goes, go ahead guys We start chatting him up He was a fun talker Awesome, awesome man We were getting it Thorough Bailey We were getting it, going it And then we find out he was a player for, was it the Jazz? The Jazz, and he's an analyst now And he was in town for the game that night Yeah, he was cool He was awesome No, we went to his Instagram and his fits are crazy Yeah, he was a hot old dude He's slick Yeah, I really liked that guy. He was cool. What was his name? Thurl Bailey. Thurl Bailey. He was cool as hell. His name was Thurl. Yeah. And he was pulling it off. Oh, he was sick. Because Thurl could suck, I think.
56:36It's funny because we walked up and we saw him sitting there and I think I said, he looks like Kareem. He's so tall. Yeah, yeah. We were talking about Kareem and Veronica Marsh in the car. We were talking about that. Yeah. And then we pulled up and I was like, that's like Kareem vibes. It was like Kareem, yeah. Yeah. And then he was a professional athlete. Which never happens. How fun. I walked away from that day feeling like that's just what happens to you.
57:04What do you mean? I just feel like maybe you're a bit charmed in that way. Charmed, like fun little things like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, some people are kind of just like, it's just how it is for them. I hate to, it is. Yeah. It is. That's okay. Charming little things do kind of happen to me. But I also wonder, do charming little things just happen to me? Or also, am I seeking out charming little things? Because I really think I am. I think everybody is. Oh, you think everyone's seeking charming little things? Not everyone, but I think the people who do what we do are. Do they happen to you, too?
57:38I mean, we need shit to talk about. We need experiences. We do need experiences. We're always looking for fun little anecdotes. I feel like you're finding them, right? Yeah, sometimes. Is that happening to you? I have had so much periods of chaos in my life. I'm pretty glad for it to be mad slow. Yeah. I like to be in the house. You know what I mean? Yeah. I like to get, I like to smoke one joint, dance to one pebble song in a riot, and then I want to go home. In a riot. And then I want to go home to the girls. Yeah. That's beautiful, dude. All my animals are women. That's really beautiful. Yeah.
58:12That's kind of how your life is set up. Yeah. I like it. I'm doing good. I think, yeah, I do, you were saying something about when you were a kid that people would like to talk to you like strangers would like to talk to you yeah i don't know if you still have this but strangers will say anything to me yeah like strangers come up to me these two have seen it it's crazy like any i'll be doing i'm not i won't even be particularly acting friendly in a moment like i'm like a downbeat on tour like lugging bags or something and someone out of nowhere will just be like nice weather i'm like what like they like will come over brother i'm in century city mall last night me and a lot of you're just sitting there eating food and some old crazy looking man like his his hair was like it was it was like it was wind like windblown yeah like it was like yeah like doc brown yeah and also died very blonde yeah and he was just like hey you got good vibes i'm 70 years old you know what the key is to a great marriage just talking to me yeah and that kind of thing happens to me a lot but you do have great vibes so i understand why he did that but i wasn't doing anything you don't have to you have an you have an emanating radiance about your soul i was drinking chick-fil-a i but it's there i just the other night saw a woman fall down strong open i saw a woman i was walking with my boyfriend i saw a woman fall down in new york city and i left him over there and i ran to help her and i said i said hey how are you i'm so sorry i saw that are you okay she felt she tumbled hard yeah and immediately she looked when i locked eyes with her i said this woman has an incredible soul she's like a beautiful human being like i could feel it just immediately just from looking in her eyes i love that and i'm dead serious and then we had a beautiful connection we talked for a minute and the rest of the night i was being a little weird to my boyfriend because i couldn't stop talking about work in bed and i'm like man i missed that woman okay two things but you have that similar when we were driving home from the mall i was like i don't know how to explain it i think that was divine yes i'm telling you because he was the guy was also like he was like you know one rule i have don't be tight spend it and i've been like yeah i've been like weirdly tight on just like i think the idea of getting married all of a sudden put money in perspective in a way where it was like money was only a thing that i needed for next week or whatever and now you're like i have to build a life so i've been like nervous about it and then he said that and i was like you know what you're right brother second of all boyfriend how's that going it's good yeah it's good yeah you want to show me a picture maybe i'll react better than you did to my cat?
1:00:44Well, you have to because he might watch this. Yeah, she might watch this. Your cat's going to tune in. He's the biggest fan. Alana would never allow that.
1:00:56I got to find a picture of... Do you want to see us together or you just want to see him? Yeah, I want to see together. I want to see the light in the eyes. Oh, this is us. Well, wait, I want to just show you this. This is going to be cool. He's beautiful. God damn
1:01:15Whoa He could play He could play anything He's beautiful but he's really mean to me Is that what you're looking for? He treats me bad Yeah he's not Ask these two He treats me bad He's toxic No no he's a total He's a total sweetheart He's like the nicest guy I've ever dated He's got like He's got like the type of tattoos That mean he's well Well traveled
1:01:42you know what i'm saying wait yeah he's got like yeah like not in an asshole way though in a cool way oh my god he's reading a book on the beach yeah brother i'll tell you that book never gets read when i go to the beach i bring it every time though yeah it's going good we like that guy good good good he would you guys cohabitate or like uh no no different cities we know we we live uh both him in brooklyn okay but i it's funny because i'm gone all the time and he travels quite a bit for work and like for friend stuff like he's always at some birthday party in some other state that's country i assume or country as the case may be um he's traveling and it's yeah it's funny trying to make it all work you know yeah but that's great yeah it's nice for you it's nice thanks dude you seem like uh you seem like you would be i would imagine if you're just fucking you could be a bit of a fuck boy but i bet as a partner you're amazing is what i wow you clocked my is that what it is chants and virginia are shaking their heads violently violently over there well because that's i mean i think it's i have the same thing yeah it's just like you got so much charm that like if it's not if it's just oozing out then you're not really paying attention to who's getting it and who's not yeah like like i've yeah sometimes it's hard to focus that i had a lot of fun fucking around that that was a an era for sure yeah but i'm yeah i i'm enjoying uh i'm enjoying being in a relationship it's nice that's good good for you yeah i'll talk about it very much i i really do want to keep i i want to keep some things like private you know yeah i feel like my life is so not private i share everything yeah that i've been really slow to talk about romance multiple times throughout my career same yeah same even i just talk about because we're engaged now so it's like I feel like it comes up a lot more.
1:03:34Yeah. But before that, not too much. Because it's also like, everybody wants everything to be for sale now. And it's like, I ain't going. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. And I don't want it to be like, my thing is my thing. I don't want her to have to be in a, you know what I mean? Right. I don't want her to have to feel like she's a character in this weird. Like a show that I'm building. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because we all think that way as entertainers. Yeah. And it's like, yeah, you got to let her shit be her shit or his shit be his shit. I distinctly have not talked about him on stage. I've not talked about him much on here.
1:04:07Well, that's coming. I know. It's unavoidable. It's unavoidable because it's your life. Yeah. I avoided it for a really long time. Yeah. But after a while, you're just like, it's too big of a part to not. I know. And we don't have kids, you know? So what am I going to talk about? Yeah, that's tough, though, because it's nice to have a - Now I can't talk about dating is weird anymore. Well, you lose this whole big chunk of when you're not dating. I got really, I had to really process that one of my big fears of being in a relationship, I have many because I have commitment issues, which is several people's fault, my mom's dad and then mine.
1:04:38But you're also so charming, I feel like, or you're so, I feel like when sometimes when people are so outgoing, the idea of committing feels like, I feel like if you're very successful socially, the idea of committing to one thing seems like, but what am I leaving on the tape? Yeah. What's scary? Cause I'm like, I also liked, I like dating. I think it's fun to like, I like the rush of like meeting someone new and having a good time and getting to know them and getting, you know. But one of my big fears that is so, sounds so irrational and crazy is about getting in a relationship is like, oh, I'm going to lose all my dating material.
1:05:10All those like fun experiences I was having that were building, you know. Dude, man, that shit is so real. I like, I tell Alana all the time, I'm like, man, just don't let me end up being a dad comic, bro. Like, it's going to happen at some point. I'm going to have to talk about it, but I don't want to. I've seen that take out a lot of people I thought were great. Yeah. And then all the kids say the darndest things. Yeah. All of a sudden now you're just talking about that. And then the whole brand is that. And it's like you used to talk about Coke. Yeah. And that was cool. We're missing him. Yeah.
1:05:42I missed the Coke talk a little bit. Yeah. You know? Yeah. I think that'll be a really intentional like when you have kids or when I have kids, like because we feel that way, I think a really intentional thing will be like making sure I already feel right now just because I've been working so much and filming things that like I'm like trying. I'm like going like go have please go have an experience. Yeah. I want to be more intentional about like going and doing shit that's out of my comfort zone. Same. So that I'm living a fucking life for me but also for so I have something to talk about. Well and you know what I've found is like I was like for a long time I was really committed to that in the way of doing crazy shit.
1:06:14Yeah. You know what I mean? Destructive stuff. Yeah. Or not even destructive just wild. You know what I mean? Like, so I could get on stage. Because I wasn't living a real life, my shit had to be hyped. Yeah. Because I couldn't get on stage and be like, oh, depression's tough to battle with. So I'd be like, you ever do mushrooms under the Golden Gate Bridge on a Wednesday? You know what I'm saying? Like, I had to really, like, go out there. Yeah. And that was, like, the way I was living intentionally because I wasn't maybe doing the normal stuff. But now it's like, my tweeters are blown, bro. Yeah.
1:06:44I've done too much exciting stuff. Keep me in the house. You're like, I'm at home. Yeah. I'm like, I'm having fun with you. I'm really excited because after this, I'm going to go watch Francis Tiafoe play tennis with Jamel. And that's like my day. I love that day. We got to go to San Pedro and pick up some bar stools. I love that day. David, what's so true to you? Oh, man, I'm not ready.
1:07:09If you don't spend the time getting to know yourself, life is going to prove it to you in a hard way. Ooh. I think that's really true. I think that I spent a lot of time maybe putting qualities that I thought I wanted myself to have and things like priorities that I thought I wanted to have on myself. And then I wasn't that guy. And then you just keep bumping up to a difficult wall. But then, you know, you just take the time to really sit and be like, what do I want? What do I think? It makes everything so much easier, man. Yeah. That's really, really good advice. Thank you. Really interesting.
1:07:44David, well, you know I think you're brilliant. Yeah, I love you. I just love talking to you, dude. This is so good. And guess what? You're not even done yet because I got a segment for you. Oh, is this the money thing? The money ball? Baby. Okay, let's go. I feel like I've played along with some of these. I feel... You feel ready? I feel okay. Because what do I got to get, 10? You guys get 10 out of 15. I'm going to read you 15 statements. You're going to tell me as quickly as you can if what I just said was true or false. Okay. If you get 10 or more correct, David, we're going to give you 50 US dollars.
1:08:09Cash? Cash. Ooh. Wow. It'll be probably wire. Oh. Is that Chan Chinks for you? I am not on MoneyGram anymore for personal reasons. Okay. We'll find a way. We can get it. We'll get it to you. Okay, cool. Chan's got it, right? You ready? Okay. You ready? I'm ready. All right. Fortnite was released in 2017. True. True. AB negative is the rarest blood type. True. True. The Colorado Rockies have won two World Series championships. False. False. They've won none. Zero. Women first competed in the Olympics in 1964. True. False. 1900. William Henry Harrison was only president for 31 days. True. True. Radiohead is from Australia.
1:08:54False. False. England. Pike's Peak had a ski resort up until 1984. False. True. It takes sunlight 8 minutes and 20 seconds to travel from the sun to the earth. False. True. Fuck. Wesley Snipes has played Blade in three movies. True. False. Four. Four. Fuck! I only got one more. We have never found dinosaur fossils in Antarctica. False. False, we have. Nintendo was founded in 1889. True. True. Lady Gaga owns a$50 ,000 ghost radar. Use ghost radar in a sentence. I need to see a ghost. Does anyone have my ghost radar? True. True. Caramel never expires. True. False. False! Stone Cold Steve Austin was born in California.
1:09:43True. False. Texas. Owls are mammals. True. False. Birds. I hate it. You blew it at the end, dude. That was the thing. You know what? You crumbled. You know what happened is I lost the Pikes Peak, the Colorado thing, and then I just fell apart, man. I didn't keep my eye on the ball. You know what I mean? We trained for these type of situations. These are the moments where we have to be great, and you have to love it. Yeah, and it's on me. I'm going to go home. I'm not going to blame the coaching staff. I think they did a great job getting me prepared. And, you know, at the end of the day, I just love this team, man.
1:10:19I love these guys. Yeah. And it's a pleasure to play on the big stage. Yeah. Any regrets? Anything you'd do different? Probably those last four questions.
1:10:31That shit probably would have gone a little differently. David, we love you, dude. Thanks for coming on. Love you, man. This is so fun. Thanks for doing it. You're welcome here anytime. Thank you. Yeah. Come back on mine. I'm dying to. The white one, not the black one. Sean and I, yeah. But come on, man. Brother, we just can't. Didn't you guys have Will Ferrell on? He's like the whitest guy there is. Yeah, he owns the network. Well, come on, man.
1:11:01What, tell me where they can find you. I'm pissed now. You can't have on white guys, but Will Ferrell gets to come on? Will Ferrell! He's fucking L. Caleb, you're amazing. It's Will Ferrell. He's Elf. You gotta bend the knee to Will Ferrell. The whitest thing you can be is Elf. And I don't get to come on. I think that's true. I think that is true. I like you said it, and I wanted to push back, but no, I think that is true. He's the whitest thing you can be is Elf. Yeah, that movie. It was funny. Yeah. I think that black people probably fuck with Elf tough. I don't know, but I just think I should get to come on the show.
1:11:35I want you to at least talk to... I'll talk to Langston. Talk to Langston. Talk to the producers. I'm a big Langston fan as well. Are you gonna do a show trade? Is that what this is? You want Langston to come on here? Yeah. Langston can come on here. I like Langston. He's more than welcome on the show. Langston, come on the show. You heard it. No. Yeah. Cool Guy Joke 87 on Instagram. Yes, sir. Oh, I have a special that I self-produced, but then 800-pound gorilla licensed it. So September 29th, it's going to be on YouTube. It's called Birth of a Nation with a G. It's very funny. I didn't get any press because I released it privately.
1:12:09Didn't know about that. Yeah. But now go watch it. Run it up. I'd really like you. And my mama told me podcasts, all fantasy, everything. Hell yeah. Yeah. And really, really, really go watch David's special. Please do. That fucking rocks. You're one of the funniest stand-ups I know. Oh, thank you. So I can't wait to see it. You too. You kill, man. Thanks, dude. I love you. Thanks for doing it. That was a HeadGum podcast.
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